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1 | bbin | 2018-11-28T19:52:26.142Z | Hello!
So, many kinds of contracts need fraud/fault-proofs with economic incentives. Unfortunately miners can steal the reward without doing any, or just a bit of, validation which breaks the incentive structure. A way to mitigate this is to commit a hash of a message containing the intention to send a fraud proof. The... | <p>Hello!</p>
<p>So, many kinds of contracts need fraud/fault-proofs with economic incentives. Unfortunately miners can steal the reward without doing any, or just a bit of, validation which breaks the incentive structure. A way to mitigate this is to commit a hash of a message containing the <em>intention</em> to send... | Magicians | Pooling_commit_reveal_to_avoid_front_running |
1 | Mathepreneur | 2023-06-20T19:07:46.361Z | Time Bound Token
Ricsson Ngo
@Timelord.Eth
ricsson@timeswap.io
Shatabarto Bhattacharya
@riksucks
shatabarto@timeswap.io
Abstract
Time Bound Token or TBT is a token that makes it possible to transfer and manage ownership of the timeline of an asset, essentially a pure representation of an option. It can represent time b... | <h1><a name="p-38440-time-bound-token-1" class="anchor" href="#p-38440-time-bound-token-1"></a>Time Bound Token</h1>
<p>Ricsson Ngo<br>
<span class="mention">@Timelord.Eth</span><br>
<a href="mailto:ricsson@timeswap.io">ricsson@timeswap.io</a></p>
<p>Shatabarto Bhattacharya<br>
<a class="mention" href="/u/riksucks">@ri... | Magicians | Time_Bound_Token__TBT___Generalized_Time_Based_Cla |
2 | riksucks | 2023-06-20T19:10:16.483Z | TBT is an attempt to make a generalized financial instrument for fixed maturity products, escrow and even options. We would love to get feedbacks on how to improve upon this! Thanks a lot | <p>TBT is an attempt to make a generalized financial instrument for fixed maturity products, escrow and even options. We would love to get feedbacks on how to improve upon this! Thanks a lot <img src="https://ethereum-magicians.org/images/emoji/twitter/slight_smile.png?v=12" title=":slight_smile:" class="emoji" alt=":s... | Magicians | Time_Bound_Token__TBT___Generalized_Time_Based_Cla |
3 | Mathepreneur | 2023-07-06T10:44:17.828Z | Here is a link to the TBT design discussion telegram group. Anyone can join!
https://t.me/+nwC2ES599MljYjNl | <p>Here is a link to the TBT design discussion telegram group. Anyone can join!</p>
<p><a href="https://t.me/+nwC2ES599MljYjNl" class="onebox" target="_blank" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">https://t.me/+nwC2ES599MljYjNl</a></p> | Magicians | Time_Bound_Token__TBT___Generalized_Time_Based_Cla |
1 | evabeylin | 2019-04-15T17:00:12.580Z | I’ve created an Ethereum Governance Survey to gain more accurate data on the community’s perspectives on Ethereum governance (to capture the quiet majority as well as the loud minority).
As the Ethereum ecosystem grows and stakeholders become more emotionally and financially invested, it’s vital that we inform oursel... | <p>I’ve created an <strong>Ethereum Governance Survey</strong> to gain more accurate data on the community’s perspectives on Ethereum governance (to capture the quiet majority as well as the loud minority).</p>
<p>As the Ethereum ecosystem grows and stakeholders become more emotionally and financially invested, it’s ... | Magicians | Ethereum_Governance_Survey___Call_to_Action |
2 | boris | 2019-04-15T20:24:55.591Z | evabeylin:
The results of the Ethereum Governance Survey will be open sourced and published into a report.
Great! Thank you for committing to this and stating it up front.
evabeylin:
Note: this is NOT an official survey.
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3 | chisel | 2019-04-16T05:15:36.485Z | Hey y’all long time no Magicianship. Hope Berlin is treating y’all well, much FOMO for #RunEVM.
While @boris has some strong points here, I want to emphasize as a surveys-nerd who immediately enthusiastically filled it out:
You’ve got something really strong here, @evabeylin. I’m thinking this is the most successful br... | <p>Hey y’all long time no Magicianship. Hope Berlin is treating y’all well, much FOMO for <span class="hashtag">#RunEVM</span>.</p>
<p>While <a class="mention" href="/u/boris">@boris</a> has some strong points here, I want to emphasize as a surveys-nerd who immediately enthusiastically filled it out:</p>
<p>You’ve got ... | Magicians | Ethereum_Governance_Survey___Call_to_Action |
4 | evabeylin | 2019-04-16T15:21:56.139Z | boris:
I’m not sure who has the authority to decide whether something is an “official” survey. Can you expand on what you mean by this and why you felt the need to say it?
Of course nobody has the means to “officiate” in this community - this was just a suggestion made to reduce the potential for spam. There are no ... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="boris" data-post="2" data-topic="3137">
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5 | evabeylin | 2019-04-16T15:26:02.814Z | Thank you for the feedback and support !!!
chisel:
Final design note- different folks may have different internalized reference points for Likert scales; I unconsciously assume 1= negative sentiment towards framing question and 5= positive sentiment, so I filled out the first couple Likert scale Qs the opposite of... | <p>Thank you for the feedback and support !!!</p>
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6 | AdamDossa | 2019-04-17T01:42:57.949Z | Enjoyed the survey, made me think a bit about myself ;-).
On question 24. there isn’t an option for lack of time which would have been my response. None really applied for me - they all seemed quite negative - maybe a none of the above option would be useful?
Strongly agree the scale should be reversed on the 1 - 5 que... | <p>Enjoyed the survey, made me think a bit about myself ;-).</p>
<p>On question 24. there isn’t an option for lack of time which would have been my response. None really applied for me - they all seemed quite negative - maybe a none of the above option would be useful?</p>
<p>Strongly agree the scale should be reversed... | Magicians | Ethereum_Governance_Survey___Call_to_Action |
7 | burrrata | 2019-04-17T06:54:51.678Z | boris:
This is a lot to get through. I answered it all. This might be effective as a much shorter survey with then asking users if they want to do a longer follow up.
Agreed. I was excited to start it, but man there’s a lot there. It would be great to have a short and long form. Questions 21, 22, 23, and 24 would be... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="boris" data-post="2" data-topic="3137">
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9 | evabeylin | 2019-04-18T05:49:01.469Z | Although the questions may seem ‘personal’ they provide categorization to enable data cuts that are more specific, rather than aggregate analysis (eg. how do miners feel about certain topics vs. devs etc.) For the really personal ones related to holdings I left a cop out answer in case users felt uncomfortable.
Agreed ... | <p>Although the questions may seem ‘personal’ they provide categorization to enable data cuts that are more specific, rather than aggregate analysis (eg. how do miners feel about certain topics vs. devs etc.) For the really personal ones related to holdings I left a cop out answer in case users felt uncomfortable.</p>
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10 | rbnz | 2019-04-22T13:34:20.613Z | It was too long for me. And there weren’t enough options to some of the questions.
Also I skipped to the end and saw there was no “anarchy” as a political governance system (which is arguably the status quo). | <p>It was too long for me. And there weren’t enough options to some of the questions.</p>
<p>Also I skipped to the end and saw there was no “anarchy” as a political governance system (which is arguably the status quo).</p> | Magicians | Ethereum_Governance_Survey___Call_to_Action |
11 | GridTechs | 2020-04-10T23:05:05.417Z | https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5478500/1f69646b9156
Hi everyone please take a moment to take this survey. It will help out greatly.
Thank you | <p><a href="https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5478500/1f69646b9156" class="onebox" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener">https://www.surveygizmo.com/s3/5478500/1f69646b9156</a></p>
<p>Hi everyone please take a moment to take this survey. It will help out greatly.</p>
<p>Thank you</p> | Magicians | Ethereum_Governance_Survey___Call_to_Action |
1 | yorickdowne | 2021-06-26T13:20:53.564Z | Placing this here from R&D Discord, for further discussion.
General pros and cons of an ice age in PoS
Technical implementation of same
Proposition: Implement an ice-age mechanism in PoS.
Rationale:
“If one desires no-change, then a default of no-change is a good idea.
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<p>Proposition: Implement an ice-age mechanism in PoS.</p>
<p>Rationale:<br>
“If one desires no-change, then a default of no-change is a good id... | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
2 | _pm | 2021-06-26T23:52:44.629Z | If there would be an ice age, it should be predictable. The current one is messy and it’s hard to predict when exactly it would kick in, or how much it would slow down the blocks. | <p>If there would be an ice age, it should be predictable. The current one is messy and it’s hard to predict when exactly it would kick in, or how much it would slow down the blocks.</p> | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
3 | mightypenguin | 2021-06-28T14:14:24.710Z | With ETH PoS, block timing and IAs should be much more predictable.
An extension to the idea of reducing the gas limit, the Block Reward should also go down.
After EIP1559 gas limit reductions won’t hurt block producers as much as a reducing Block Reward will.
This way, block timing and validity of blocks are not affec... | <p>With ETH PoS, block timing and IAs should be much more predictable.</p>
<p>An extension to the idea of reducing the gas limit, the Block Reward should also go down.<br>
After EIP1559 gas limit reductions won’t hurt block producers as much as a reducing Block Reward will.<br>
This way, block timing and validity of bl... | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
4 | HodlDwon | 2021-07-01T15:05:39.034Z | I support the continuation of an Ice Age (IA) (aka Difficulty Bomb in PoW).
For scheduling, I think as the years go on, there will be less need for frequent forking / upgrades of the base layer. But we don’t want to permanently ossify when we don’t know what “finished forever” looks like, yet.
With that in mind, I was ... | <p>I support the continuation of an Ice Age (IA) (aka Difficulty Bomb in PoW).</p>
<p>For scheduling, I think as the years go on, there will be less need for frequent forking / upgrades of the base layer. But we don’t want to permanently ossify when we don’t know what “finished forever” looks like, yet.</p>
<p>With tha... | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
5 | mightypenguin | 2021-07-05T14:11:04.222Z | Here are some major features on the horizon for Ethereum:
“The Merge”
Sharding
Statelessness
Those alone should require 3-6 network upgrades.
So I would not be surprised if we easily need a network upgrade 1-2 times a year for the next 4 years. | <p>Here are some major features on the horizon for Ethereum:</p>
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<li>Sharding</li>
<li>Statelessness</li>
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<p>Those alone should require 3-6 network upgrades.<br>
So I would not be surprised if we easily need a network upgrade 1-2 times a year for the next 4 years.</p> | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
6 | schone | 2021-07-05T16:00:53.194Z | Did the original ice age ever do anything for Ethereum? It seems like all we ever did was diffuse/delay it since day 1 in 2015.
Not to say I don’t think the time we’ve taken to ship the consensus layer wasn’t a well spent endeavor in the end and has yielded a far superior product. Still, the ice age in and of it’s own... | <p>Did the original ice age ever do anything for Ethereum? It seems like all we ever did was diffuse/delay it since day 1 in 2015.</p>
<p>Not to say I don’t think the time we’ve taken to ship the consensus layer wasn’t a well spent endeavor in the end and has yielded a far superior product. Still, the ice age in and o... | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
7 | yorickdowne | 2021-07-05T16:16:54.833Z | schone:
Did the original ice age ever do anything for Ethereum?
It did. It made it so change was the default. Hard forks (feature changes) of Ethereum were deployed without a hitch, with everyone coming along. Without the ice age, block producers could just stay on the current software, which is their “path of least... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="schone" data-post="6" data-topic="6557">
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8 | schone | 2021-07-05T16:31:29.840Z | yorickdowne:
Similarly for the R&D / dev community, the looming ice age propels things forward a bit. There’s a deadline - a change needs to happen by then. It could be a minimal change that just moves the ice age, but while at it, what else is so close to done it can be finished and get in?
This part I can see.
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9 | yorickdowne | 2021-07-05T17:03:21.289Z | Suppose we had such a contentious fork that divided the community to 2
Yes, of course. Forks can always happen. That’s not the scenario envisioned. The scenario here isn’t contention so much as being content - “this all works, why upgrade?” It’s just about making “some change has to happen now” the default. As a resul... | <blockquote>
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10 | HodlDwon | 2021-07-05T17:45:57.831Z | schone:
So long as exchanges of all kinds lend legitimacy by allowing the trading of the newly divergent coin, people don’t know the difference and social contracts or not, all is up for grabs at that point.
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11 | schone | 2021-07-08T17:58:00.027Z | HodlDwon:
Ethereum codifies that at the very least we must diffuse the bomb to continue the network.
While I don’t have any better data to backup my claim, I believe that kind of thinking is almost analogous to superstition. Let’s not change something because of how we think it has served us so far. Going with tha... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="HodlDwon" data-post="10" data-topic="6557">
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12 | MicahZoltu | 2022-08-10T09:58:05.348Z | As far as timing goes, I personally prefer an ice age every ~7 months. From my personal experience, the longer the time between releases, the more likely it is that your release process is broken in some way. 6 months is frequent enough that we are forced to continually exercise the process, but isn’t so frequent tha... | <p>As far as timing goes, I personally prefer an ice age every ~7 months. From my personal experience, the longer the time between releases, the more likely it is that your release process is broken in some way. 6 months is frequent enough that we are forced to continually exercise the process, but isn’t so frequent ... | Magicians | An_ice_age_in_PoS___merits_and_potential_implement |
1 | samuelemarro | 2024-08-15T12:25:21.697Z | TL;DR: A website where endorsed users can annotate EIPs can fill the knowledge gap between the standard and the actual “know-how”
Hello Magicians,
I’ve been thinking recently about the gap between the content of EIPs and the actual knowledge required to fully understand and implement them.
Related EIPs, gold-standard i... | <p>TL;DR: A website where endorsed users can annotate EIPs can fill the knowledge gap between the standard and the actual “know-how”</p>
<p>Hello Magicians,</p>
<p>I’ve been thinking recently about the gap between the content of EIPs and the actual knowledge required to fully understand and implement them.<br>
Related ... | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
2 | matt | 2024-08-15T14:15:03.239Z | It’s an interesting idea. The challenging part is getting the endorsements right and then surfacing the useful discussions. I’m not sure how to best do this or what the end value will be in such a platform, but it would be interesting to see.
I’m afraid there isn’t quite enough demand for such a solution. | <p>It’s an interesting idea. The challenging part is getting the endorsements right and then surfacing the useful discussions. I’m not sure how to best do this or what the end value will be in such a platform, but it would be interesting to see.</p>
<p>I’m afraid there isn’t quite enough demand for such a solution.</p> | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
3 | samuelemarro | 2024-08-15T21:00:42.598Z | Thanks for the feedback! One thing I’ve been thinking about, especially in terms of demand vs supply, is that the people quite comfortable with EIPs are also the people who don’t really need annotated EIPs, since they already need to be familiar with the literature in order to author a standard. The two most likely cas... | <p>Thanks for the feedback! One thing I’ve been thinking about, especially in terms of demand vs supply, is that the people quite comfortable with EIPs are also the people who don’t really need annotated EIPs, since they already need to be familiar with the literature in order to author a standard. The two most likely ... | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
4 | abcoathup | 2024-08-16T09:16:50.036Z | Eth Magicians wiki posts may be one way to solve this, with some restriction on what user trust level can edit.
There still may be contention which may require moderation and any wiki has potential for vandalism.
Alternatively an append only topic may be better.
Ideally using something off the shelf (especially using t... | <p>Eth Magicians <a href="https://meta.discourse.org/t/editing-and-creating-wiki-posts/30801">wiki posts</a> may be one way to solve this, with some restriction on what user <a href="https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/">trust level</a> can edit.</p>
<p>There still may be contention ... | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
5 | eawosika | 2024-08-28T02:47:51.589Z | samuelemarro:
I’ve been thinking recently about the gap between the content of EIPs and the actual knowledge required to fully understand and implement them.
This is precisely why I started eips.wiki. This brain dump goes into more details, but the reasoning is familiar. I was going to write up a post after we creat... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="samuelemarro" data-post="1" data-topic="20810">
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6 | eawosika | 2024-08-28T02:54:08.623Z | EIP Tools is great, and I’ve considered deprecating eips.wiki since that exists. But one of the original reasons for starting the project (see some musings here) was to provide the same level of structure as you’ll find on eips.ethereum.org.
So EIP Tools requires knowing which EIP you’re looking for. But I think there’... | <p>EIP Tools is great, and I’ve considered deprecating <a href="https://eips.wiki/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">eips.wiki</a> since that exists. But one of the original reasons for starting the project (see some musings <a href="https://eipswiki.notion.site/Meta-Creating-a-Wiki-pedia-for-EIPs-1a0a438c1dda496e895e8d938c... | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
7 | samuelemarro | 2024-08-28T23:28:12.448Z | eips.wiki looks good! The wiki format definitely makes sense for this type of thing. First impressions/feedback:
Good design, and having a categorized list of EIPs is very nice on its own
You should consider adding a visual way to distinguish between EIPs that have a wiki page and those that don’t. I’d also recommend ... | <p>eips.wiki looks good! The wiki format definitely makes sense for this type of thing. First impressions/feedback:</p>
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<li>Good design, and having a categorized list of EIPs is very nice on its own</li>
<li>You should consider adding a visual way to distinguish between EIPs that have a wiki page and those that do... | Magicians | Annotated_EIPs___Concept_Feedback |
1 | vbuterin | 2022-11-02T06:47:36.798Z | There are currently a large number of (optimistic and ZK) rollup projects, at various stages of development. One pattern that is common to almost all of them is the use of temporary training wheels: while a project’s tech is still immature, the project launches early anyway to allow the ecosystem to start forming, but ... | <p>There are currently a large number of (optimistic and ZK) rollup projects, at various stages of development. One pattern that is common to almost all of them is the use of temporary <strong>training wheels</strong>: while a project’s tech is still immature, the project launches early anyway to allow the ecosystem to... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
2 | jessepollak | 2022-11-03T16:25:04.115Z | Thank you for documenting this proposed framework. Agree that it would be very useful to have a defined framework for rollup classification as they progress through various stages of training wheels.
From the Coinbase perspective, this would be a valuable resources for presenting our users with a standardized risk asse... | <p>Thank you for documenting this proposed framework. Agree that it would be very useful to have a defined framework for rollup classification as they progress through various stages of training wheels.</p>
<p>From the Coinbase perspective, this would be a valuable resources for presenting our users with a standardized... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
3 | smartcontracts | 2022-11-03T18:43:19.721Z | Like @jessepollak said, I think this is a good v0 proposal that would benefit the entire rollup ecosystem. As more and more assets are held in rollups, it’s becoming increasingly important for users to have a clear understanding of the security model of the system they’re using. A standardized security framework is goi... | <p>Like <a class="mention" href="/u/jessepollak">@jessepollak</a> said, I think this is a good v0 proposal that would benefit the entire rollup ecosystem. As more and more assets are held in rollups, it’s becoming increasingly important for users to have a clear understanding of the security model of the system they’re... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
4 | frangio | 2022-11-03T21:31:02.380Z | Are permissioned fraud/validity proof schemes considered Stage 1 in this proposal? | <p>Are permissioned fraud/validity proof schemes considered Stage 1 in this proposal?</p> | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
5 | vbuterin | 2022-11-03T21:43:37.950Z | I would say yes, as long as any of the members of the security council can initiate the proof. That would be a 1-of-8 trust model, a higher trust-minimization bar than the 3-of-8 assumption already inherent in the multisig. | <p>I would say yes, as long as any of the members of the security council can initiate the proof. That would be a 1-of-8 trust model, a higher trust-minimization bar than the 3-of-8 assumption already inherent in the multisig.</p> | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
6 | ittaiab | 2022-11-05T06:43:28.867Z | An upgrade delay of 7 or 30 days is a safety vs liveness trade off that favors safety by forcing a liveness delay - this sounds reasonable But what if there is an urgent need to upgrade quickly? Say a zero day attack or a bug that may enable an attacker to drain funds in a few days? Recall the DAO fork (upgrade) had s... | <p>An upgrade delay of 7 or 30 days is a safety vs liveness trade off that favors safety by forcing a liveness delay - this sounds reasonable But what if there is an urgent need to upgrade quickly? Say a zero day attack or a bug that may enable an attacker to drain funds in a few days? Recall the DAO fork (upgrade) ha... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
7 | vbuterin | 2022-11-06T00:02:36.858Z | But what if there is an urgent need to upgrade quickly? Say a zero day attack or a bug that may enable an attacker to drain funds in a few days?
Then we’re screwed, and that is a risk that we have to take. This is an unavoidable tradeoff: if we want the system to be secure against 51% attacks on the governance layer, ... | <blockquote>
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<p>Then we’re screwed, and that is a risk that we have to take. This is an unavoidable tradeoff: if we want the system to be secure against 5... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
8 | robioreefeco | 2022-11-07T03:53:24.655Z | is there an official rollup emoji for community members? or could be great | <p>is there an official rollup emoji for community members? <img src="https://ethereum-magicians.org/images/emoji/twitter/newspaper_roll.png?v=12" title=":newspaper_roll:" class="emoji" alt=":newspaper_roll:" loading="lazy" width="20" height="20"> or <img src="https://ethereum-magicians.org/images/emoji/twitter/cyclone... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
9 | elistark | 2022-11-10T22:41:24.397Z | Jumping in to comment that StarkNet is following a different approach, one that doesn’t quite follow these 3 steps. On one hand, we have the main security technology - validity proofs - turned on from the get go, we’ve never submitted a state update to StarkNet without having a STARK proof for it (same holds for all St... | <p>Jumping in to comment that StarkNet is following a different approach, one that doesn’t quite follow these 3 steps. On one hand, we have the main security technology - validity proofs - turned on from the get go, we’ve never submitted a state update to StarkNet without having a STARK proof for it (same holds for all... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
10 | krzkaczor | 2022-11-14T19:31:26.043Z | Kris from L2BEAT team here.
I love the proposal. One of the things we struggle with in L2BEAT is explaining difficult technical terms to non-tech-savvy users. The risk framework is great, but it’s full of technical jargon. A precise categorization would definitely help us explain risks to users in an easier to comprehe... | <p>Kris from L2BEAT team here.</p>
<p>I love the proposal. One of the things we struggle with in L2BEAT is explaining difficult technical terms to non-tech-savvy users. <a href="https://l2beat.com/scaling/risk/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">The risk framework</a> is great, but it’s full of technical jargon. A precise ca... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
11 | vbuterin | 2022-12-08T15:47:55.333Z | Here’s a (very) quick mockup of how we could present such info to the user:
That looks great to me! It would definitely be much clearer to newbies than the current risk framework, which has excellent info but doesn’t really help users understand which properties are more important.
Though perhaps rename “stage” to som... | <blockquote>
<p>Here’s a (very) quick mockup of how we could present such info to the user:</p>
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<p>That looks great to me! It would definitely be much clearer to newbies than the current risk framework, which has excellent info but doesn’t really help users understand which properties are more important.<... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
12 | Bartek | 2023-01-31T21:03:31.224Z | Hey all, Bartek from l2beat here. We are in the process of finalizing the implementation of the ranking which will be released soon. We are hoping for one last final feedback - please check out l2beat forum post and consider providing your feedback
L2BEAT – 31 Jan 23
Rollup maturity ranking proposal - call for f... | <p>Hey all, Bartek from l2beat here. We are in the process of finalizing the implementation of the ranking which will be released soon. We are hoping for one last final feedback - please check out l2beat forum post and consider providing your feedback</p>
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14 | KevinLiu | 2024-01-10T02:17:24.557Z | The Path to Decentralization
By Kevin Liu, Metis Co-Founder and ZKM CEO
In the evolving landscape of blockchain technology, the concept of decentralization has emerged as a guiding principle, especially for Ethereum, where decentralization is the key differential factor and advantage compared with other blockchain ecos... | <p><strong>The Path to Decentralization</strong></p>
<p>By Kevin Liu, <a href="https://www.metis.io/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">Metis</a> Co-Founder and <a href="https://www.zkm.io/" rel="noopener nofollow ugc">ZKM</a> CEO</p>
<p>In the evolving landscape of blockchain technology, the concept of decentralization has ... | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
15 | jawshuafisher | 2025-02-08T14:45:44.043Z | And thank you for sharing at Base Camp, very helpful! | <p>And thank you for sharing at Base Camp, very helpful!</p> | Magicians | Proposed_milestones_for_rollups_taking_off_trainin |
1 | timbeiko | 2019-10-23T18:43:41.279Z | @shemnon and I gave a talk at devcon proposing a way to do network upgrades that combined a lot of the ideas discussed by the community over the past year (including the recently discussed EIP-centric forking).
I wanted to share it here so that we can try and use EthMagicians as the official discussion forum for it.
He... | <p><a class="mention" href="/u/shemnon">@shemnon</a> and I gave a talk at devcon proposing a way to do network upgrades that combined a lot of the ideas discussed by the community over the past year (including the recently discussed <a href="https://ethereum-magicians.org/t/eip-centric-forking/3536/9">EIP-centric forki... | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
2 | antonydenyer | 2019-10-24T11:05:43.659Z | It’s worth noting that a number of large software projects follow this kind of process Software_release_train. I think the main risk with a 6-month release cycle is that everyone panics and tries to pile on so as not to miss the train! It’s a definite improvement on the current process. | <p>It’s worth noting that a number of large software projects follow this kind of process <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_train" rel="nofollow noopener">Software_release_train</a>. I think the main risk with a 6-month release cycle is that everyone panics and tries to pile on so as not to miss t... | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
3 | timbeiko | 2019-10-24T13:29:13.055Z | antonydenyer:
I think the main risk with a 6-month release cycle is that everyone panics and tries to pile on so as not to miss the train! It’s a definite improvement on the current process.
Agreed, but that’s already the case with our current process ! Everyone piled in on May 17th when it was the deadline for Ista... | <aside class="quote no-group" data-username="antonydenyer" data-post="2" data-topic="3721">
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4 | souptacular | 2019-10-24T20:02:54.412Z | I think the article was great! My initial thoughts are the following:
I think having 2 forks a year in a schedule is a good first step since we are currently at 1 fork a year. We don’t want to move too fast.
On the other hand, we have important 1x tasks ahead if we want to control state growth and I worry that 2 HF’s ... | <p>I think the article was great! My initial thoughts are the following:</p>
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5 | timbeiko | 2019-10-24T20:15:02.787Z | souptacular:
On the other hand, we have important 1x tasks ahead if we want to control state growth and I worry that 2 HF’s a year may be too little for that to progress effectively. Maybe @AlexeyAkhunov can chime in.
Agreed! I’d like to know of specific cases requiring >2 HFs per year.
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6 | AlexeyAkhunov | 2019-10-24T21:34:50.031Z | Although it is a bit too early to say how many hard forks are required for the introduction of Stateless Ethereum (because we have various options along the way), I currently think 2 per year should be enough. I am hoping to start publishing more details of the proposed transitions soon, as we are getting close to rele... | <p>Although it is a bit too early to say how many hard forks are required for the introduction of Stateless Ethereum (because we have various options along the way), I currently think 2 per year should be enough. I am hoping to start publishing more details of the proposed transitions soon, as we are getting close to r... | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
7 | rumkin | 2019-10-25T06:14:11.636Z | As addition to this proposal. I want suggest to replace hardfork names with version numbers pointed to year and month fork originated to like Node.js and Ubuntu have. Current naming model is highly confusing and it’s just impossible to say which hardfork is the latest. | <p>As addition to this proposal. I want suggest to replace hardfork names with version numbers pointed to year and month fork originated to like Node.js and Ubuntu have. Current naming model is highly confusing and it’s just impossible to say which hardfork is the latest.</p> | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
8 | timbeiko | 2019-10-25T13:36:32.529Z | While I agree with the idea of using numbers instead of names (at least in the code — names are fun from a marketing/community perspective!), I think it’s a sufficiently disjoint idea to consider it independently from this proposal. | <p>While I agree with the idea of using numbers instead of names (at least in the code — names are fun from a marketing/community perspective!), I think it’s a sufficiently disjoint idea to consider it independently from this proposal.</p> | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
9 | tvanepps | 2019-10-25T14:09:39.663Z | why not both - fun names for the community and #'s for developers | <p>why not both - fun names for the community and #'s for developers</p> | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
10 | timbeiko | 2019-10-25T14:21:32.740Z | Yep, that’s what I was saying. Use numbers in the code, and “marketing names” with the community. | <p>Yep, that’s what I was saying. Use numbers in the code, and “marketing names” with the community.</p> | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
11 | rumkin | 2019-10-27T10:10:01.477Z | Trains and schedules are tightly coupled, and it seams logical to me to append this item. With such addition your proposal looks completed to me. So maybe you’ll change your decision. And, if it will be decided by core members, disjoin it into separate proposal after discussion. | <p>Trains and schedules are tightly coupled, and it seams logical to me to append this item. With such addition your proposal looks completed to me. So maybe you’ll change your decision. And, if it will be decided by core members, disjoin it into separate proposal after discussion.</p> | Magicians | A_Train_Station_Model_for_Network_Upgrades |
1 | jpitts | 2018-04-23T17:04:30.081Z | @MicahZoltu posted this in the ethereum/governance gitter channel:
@Arachnid I’m curious, what do you think the process should be for getting changes made to the EIP process? It has been thrown around (pretty frivilously) that PRs should be made against EIP-1, but we can’t merge those as drafts (which is the process f... | <p><a class="mention" href="/u/micahzoltu">@MicahZoltu</a> posted this in the ethereum/governance gitter channel:</p>
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<p><a class="mention" href="/u/arachnid">@Arachnid</a> I’m curious, what do you think the process should be for getting changes made to the EIP process? It has been thrown around (pretty fr... | Magicians | What_should_the_process_be_for_getting_changes_mad |
2 | lrettig | 2018-04-24T16:18:03.018Z | This is a fantastic question. As I’ve said elsewhere, as a starting point I think it’s helpful to understand how things work today (read: present source of dysfunction). My understanding on this topic is limited so I’m curious to hear what others have to say, but I’ve seen two things happen:
These get opened as EIPs e... | <p>This is a fantastic question. As I’ve said elsewhere, as a starting point I think it’s helpful to understand how things work today (read: present source of dysfunction). My understanding on this topic is limited so I’m curious to hear what others have to say, but I’ve seen two things happen:</p>
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<li>These get o... | Magicians | What_should_the_process_be_for_getting_changes_mad |
1 | looneytune | 2022-01-25T10:16:04.755Z | Hello everybody, I’m very new here and I hope this discussion doesn’t sound trivial or obvious to the more experienced users.
Ethereum gave us all the chance of building truly decentralized applications and as a consequence we’re seeing a lot of dapps popping up everywhere. This is very exciting and maybe the time to f... | <p>Hello everybody, I’m very new here and I hope this discussion doesn’t sound trivial or obvious to the more experienced users.<br>
Ethereum gave us all the chance of building truly decentralized applications and as a consequence we’re seeing a lot of dapps popping up everywhere. This is very exciting and maybe the ti... | Magicians | Decentralizing_power_in_media_industry__do_we_have |
2 | julesl23 | 2022-01-26T20:06:37.579Z | Hi,
There is the hangover from physical media days where there were costs in manufacturing the discs and of the physical retail outlets. That’s all going away but the profits from this hasn’t passed down to the music creators, but of course held on to by centralised media companies. That’s the definition of corporation... | <p>Hi,</p>
<p>There is the hangover from physical media days where there were costs in manufacturing the discs and of the physical retail outlets. That’s all going away but the profits from this hasn’t passed down to the music creators, but of course held on to by centralised media companies. That’s the definition of c... | Magicians | Decentralizing_power_in_media_industry__do_we_have |
3 | looneytune | 2022-01-27T09:06:04.131Z | I’m so glad someone else is trying to find solutions to this problem.
Tipping mechanism could be implemented in a system focused on artists wealth, which could represent another “weapon” in the artists’ arsenal against industry predatory system.
The main problem I see now is that no artist in the world would ever switc... | <p>I’m so glad someone else is trying to find solutions to this problem.<br>
Tipping mechanism could be implemented in a system focused on artists wealth, which could represent another “weapon” in the artists’ arsenal against industry predatory system.<br>
The main problem I see now is that no artist in the world would... | Magicians | Decentralizing_power_in_media_industry__do_we_have |
4 | npasquie | 2022-01-27T10:52:17.819Z | Hello, bringing my 2 cents to the debate.
We have the technology to make data (art) available in a decentralized fashion, to handle micropayments and splitting between large number of actors, even the tech to prevent some data to be readable before a payment as been made. Internet in general is also an incredible tech ... | <p>Hello, bringing my 2 cents to the debate.<br>
We have the technology to make data (art) available in a decentralized fashion, to handle micropayments and splitting between large number of actors, even the tech to prevent some data to be readable before a payment as been made. Internet in general is also an incredibl... | Magicians | Decentralizing_power_in_media_industry__do_we_have |
5 | looneytune | 2022-01-27T20:28:30.245Z | Very interesting point of view. Of course a fully decentralized Spotify-like application would be an awesome milestone in media distribution but I see a huge obstacle between this idea and the actual application of it in the real world: this dapp needs not only to have a large audience but most importantly it needs to... | <p>Very interesting point of view. Of course a fully decentralized Spotify-like application would be an awesome milestone in media distribution but I see a huge obstacle between this idea and the actual application of it in the real world: this dapp needs not only to have a large audience but most importantly it needs... | Magicians | Decentralizing_power_in_media_industry__do_we_have |
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