Broad Knolwedge < Intelligence

#18
by tlilancalqui - opened

Everyone is complaining about it's lack of broad knowledge. This model runs at about 2/3 the speed of cloud model, Xiaomi MiMo-V2.5-Pro for solving programming problems, I've been testing it vs Mimo on the top 5000 programming problems on StackOverflow vs Mimo and in my latest run after I fixed the Jinja problem, here's what Mimo says about comparing Mimo Vs LFM2.5:
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SOLUTION QUALITY BY MODEL
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                       LFM2.5 (local)                   mimo (cloud)                                                                                                                                   
                       ──────────────      ────────────                                                                                                                                   
 Total solved              8,410                     25,355                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                                                                          
 QUALITY METRICS:                                                                                                                                                                         
 β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”                                                                                                                          
 β”‚ Contains code blocks    86%              43%                       β”‚                                                                                                                           
 β”‚ Has explanation         89%              48%                           β”‚                                                                                                                           
 β”‚ Avg solution length     2,731 chars      2,193 chars       β”‚                                                                                                                           
 β”‚ Median length           1,976 chars        439 chars       β”‚                                                                                                                           
 β””β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                                                                          
 BY DIFFICULTY:                                                                                                                                                                           
 β”Œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”                                                                                                                       
 β”‚            β”‚  LFM2.5           β”‚  mimo                        β”‚                                                                                                                        
 β”‚            β”‚  avg   code  expl β”‚  avg   code  expl            β”‚                                                                                                                        
 β”œβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”Όβ”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€                                                                                                                        
 β”‚ Hard (30+) β”‚ 3095  88%   92%  β”‚ 2755  60%   72%             β”‚                                                                                                                          
 β”‚ Medium     β”‚ 2872  85%   90%  β”‚ 2579  45%   47%             β”‚                                                                                                                          
 β”‚ Easy       β”‚ 2456  87%   84%  β”‚ 1708  39%   42%             β”‚                                                                                                                          
 β””β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”€β”˜                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                                                                          
 SPEED:                                                                                                                                                                                   
 β”‚ Hard    69.6s     63.2s    β”‚                                                                                                                                                           
 β”‚ Medium  50.7s     32.8s    β”‚                                                                                                                                                           
 β”‚ Easy    36.9s     29.6s    β”‚                                                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                                                                             
Key findings:                                                                                                                                                                                
- LFM2.5 produces much higher quality - 86% have code vs 43% for mimo                                                                                                                        
- LFM2.5 median is 4.5x longer (1,976 vs 439 chars) - mimo often gives short answers                                                                                                         
- mimo is ~30% faster but produces lower quality output                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                                                                             
The median difference is striking - mimo's median solution is only 439 chars (often just a brief explanation without code), while LFM2.5 consistently produces detailed solutions with code. 
                                                                                                                                                                                             
Recommendation: For training data quality, prioritize LFM2.5 solutions. Consider re-solving some mimo solutions with LFM2.5 for better training traces. 

it's bad for agent like hermes.

It can't use properly skills and tools.

It lacks understanding of a lot of things.

It don't even try to explore other possibilities.

I hope they fix this model.

The tests that I've done with it show that it has amazing raw potential! But clearly it's still crippled in it's output generation and it's not a 1.5T model it's an 8B moe - it will always need to be a specialized model because of it's size, but also due to it's size it's VERY fast, and this means it's embedded use case (which is what it is designed for) IS AMAZING. Embedded use means specialized, it's intended for low latency commands, that also might interface with the 350M model that they have, which is ever lower latency, this isn't just a toy model like the Qwen3.6-35B that you can play with in Hermes. You're looking at an uncut gem and thinking that it should be a diamond ring.

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