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How has owning a Tesla improved your life?

I am trying to persuade my husband into pulling the trigger on a Tesla Model X. We can afford it but it s so much money for a car ($121k for the configuration I want $141k for config hubby wants) and future repairs scare me (Miami drivers are no good). So how has owning a Tesla improved your life? Please include which model you own.

2019-05-29 23:51:56

Me: Model 3 - Favorite purchase ever without a doubt. I I love driving it and look for excuses to go drive. Charging at home and never having to go to gas stations is the best. Supercharging on road trips is easy and not an inconvenience at all. Remote control and precooling in AZ is awesome. I ve only had one cosmetic issue where the interior door panel was a bit off in one spot and it took less than 24 hours to get fixed. I plan on selling in a few years and getting a used X. The X is my dream car. Mom: Model S - was never into cars and drove a Prius but can t stop talking about how much she loves her Model S. She used to yell at me if I accelerated too hard in my Accord and now she shows off her acceleration whenever I m riding with her. Wants to take a cross country trip now. She says it s her favorite thing she s ever bought. Aunt: Model 3 - She s a doctor but also super cheap and not into tech. Very old school drove manual s and keeps her phones till they literally stop working. She loves it and constantly brags to friends about it. Gets excited when the car updates. Calls me whenever she learns something new. Drove bmw s before and said she would never go back. She says it s her favorite thing she s ever bought. Friends comment about her parents and their m3: “they can t even figure out their Apple TV but when I went over to see them they made me drive it and showed me every single feature. They even decided they won t let their dog(second child basically) ride in it”

2019-05-30 00:00:55

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Mid-Range Model 3 Missing On Website?

I was just about to start to configure the Mid-Range model to buy before the price increase on Monday and I am not seeing it on the website. Does anyone know if there is something wrong with the website or if the Mid-Range was supposed to not be on sale starting today Sunday?

2019-03-17 05:20:10

Yep I finally convinced myself to click the purchase button and it wouldn t process my payment. I still had the configuration saved from earlier this evening. Then I see the midrange isn t in the configurator anymore. I want the full premium interior but the price of the long range would mean I can t get the autopilot. What gives?

2019-03-17 06:22:49

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Motor Trend thinks Autopilot can t come to a complete stop

...unless you already know Autopilot won t bring the car to a stop (which most [smart](https: www.motortrend.com cars smart ) cruise systems do with ease nowadays) discovering that limitation while approaching a line of stopped cars can be an alarming experience. [https: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2019 2019-tesla-model-3-pros-and-cons-review](https: www.motortrend.com cars tesla model-3 2019 2019-tesla-model-3-pros-and-cons-review)

2019-11-11 21:07:32

Errr what? Lol

2019-11-11 21:11:16

Tesla Autopilot Performance

What the heck happened to my Tesla?

Out of nowhere cruise control doesn t work autopilot doesn t work I don t see other cars lane markings on the screen... even auto windshield wipers aren t working and it s raining pretty hard now. Only 1 650 miles in 3 months and I baby this thing. I ve tried rebooting multiple times have left it charging walked away etc no luck. Have a service scheduled now but was wondering if anyone else has experienced something like this? I m on 2019.12.1.2 Update: Per comments below I additionally disabled sentry mode and closed my iPhone app to ensure nothing was pinging the car. I left it this way for about half hour which I guess was enough time to put the car to “sleep”. After driving a couple of minutes everything started working normally again. Thanks for all your help!

2019-05-16 21:04:00

Plug it into a charger at home overnight. Hold both buttons on the wheel to reset the computer. It should clear the alerts overnight. I had this issue once and I have never seen it again.

2019-05-16 21:06:55

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Is Tesla intentionally accommodating trailer equipped Model X s at new Superchargers now?

We re not yet sure what the towing capacity is of the Model X but we know it will have the ability to add a hitch. One valid complaint is that Tesla s typical row-based Superchargers will get in the way forcing the driver to drop the trailer to charge. Well it looks like Tesla is allowing for at one or two stalls to accommodate trailers in new installations now. Look how at least one Supercharger is unnecessarily out of place in the following recently finished locations allowing for a pull in instead of a back in. [Lake Charles LA](http: i.imgur.com YmMqZsz.jpg) [Gove City OH](http: i.imgur.com n2DNqi3.png) [Woodstock ON](http: i.imgur.com mNkSnjF.jpg) Compare that to these Superchargers completed over a year ago. [Macedonia OH](http: i.imgur.com a3mpwo5.jpg) [Truckee CA](http: i.imgur.com vNA0X4X.jpg) [LaCrosse WI](http: i.imgur.com DY9o92x.jpg) Maybe it s just coincidence based on the layouts of the parking lots I referenced (there are some pull in spots in a few 2012 2013 Superchargers) but it looks like to me that Tesla is now making an intentional effort to accommodate a longer vehicle at the charger.

2015-02-18 22:51:44

I d say it s no coincidence. I wonder if it s possible to also ship the X with a supercharger cable extension.

2015-02-18 23:19:28

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Model 3 LR AWD “Fuel” cost after 10 000 miles

So wanted to break down the cost to “fuel” my Tesla model 3 LR AWD after the first 10 000 miles to see how it stacked up to the “ Honda Accord Hybrid” I was planning to buy as well as compared to my old car it replaced. Notes: I do not take it easy I go 0-60 as fast as I can as often as I can so these numbers on the Tesla are practical. I also live in Southern California where the weather is pretty awesome most of the time ( 71 deg currently in the middle of winter). I drive about 80miles freeway and 20 miles city most days. I have done 98% of my charging at home. I have had to supercharge twice ( Both free due to referrals). One to just make sure my car works with a supercharger the other on an overnight trip. My electricity Rate: $0.13 per kWh Cheap Gas at Costco ~ $3.60 Gal ( this is an avg prices fluctuate but this is a typical number) Tesla: 278 WH Mile Average (2 925 kWh x 0.13 ) = $380.25 ( my total cost to fuel) $380.25 10 521 miles = $0.036 Mile 2019 Honda Accord Hybrid Realistic MPG from my research - 44MPG $3.60 44 miles = $0.082 Mile — this is almost double what the Tesla cost 2006 Scion TC ( My old Car) I got around 23 MPG $3.60 23 miles = $0.156 Mile —- Almost 5 times what the Tesla is I could not be more happy for switching to all electric. Besides the pure joy of instant torque it s also so much cheaper to drive! Link to photo of original post with mileage usage rates. https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments eqojq1 cost_to_fuel_model_3_lr_awd_after_10k_miles ?utm_source=share&amp utm_medium=ios_app&amp utm_name=iossmf Edit 1: added below Calc for 80% efficiency 2925kWh x 0.80( I think this account for 80% efficiency when charging?) 3656kWh x $0.13 = $475.31 $475.31 10 521 miles = $0.045 Mile It s a bit more but still not bad! Edit 2: just wanted to thank everyone who commented on this thread. I learned a few things that I did not already know. It s great that we can continue to learn about things and grow from them!

2020-01-19 00:28:45

You re **missing one important factor** in electricity costs. The WH Mile displayed on your Tesla does not equal the amount of power actually drawn from your house. Depending on what charging method you are using there s upwards of a 30% loss in the transfer from the wall to the battery.

2020-01-19 01:56:29

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Question — why can t other automakers achieve Tesla level of battery range?

Ok it s been quite some time since Tesla made their cars. And even today any of the new automakers come out with some insanely small ranges and they think they can compete. Question is why can t old automakers achieve the same level of Tesla battery range? I mean how hard is it to buy one Model S strip it down and see what s happening inside? Musk released most of the patents and granted maybe some of the patents Tesla still has could prevent others from achieving the mileage but let s just assume the issue isn t of legal patent nature. What s holding others back? Why can t they reverse engineer what Tesla is doing?

2020-01-07 19:28:06

There s not a big secret. Teslas have huge batteries efficient motors and low drag coefficients. Other auto makers simply don t care enough to go through the effort to design such a car. They don t see a market for EVs with long range they figure everyone is fine to only drive 50 miles a day and top up every night. Furthermore they don t want to cannibalize ICE sales - they want you to buy an EV for short commutes *and* a gas vehicle for hauling road trips.

2020-01-07 19:34:40

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

AP on 2018.48 is amazing

This is literally the first time I felt like my car can actually drive itself. It yields to lane changers smoothly curves (and I think it banks very slightly?) smoothly accelerates to speed instead of slamming on the pedal preemptively eases into braking confidently changes lanes sees lane splitting cyclists and probably much more. This was a bigger shift to the end user than v8 to v9. Edit: Apparently I have no idea what banking means. I meant that the car seems to do curves better by finding a better turn-in entry point and exit point within the lane instead of desperately and very unnaturally trying to stay in the exact center.

2018-12-21 04:52:04

I am not easy with superlatives for whatever that s worth to you. I still enabled Autopilot and FSD even though I didn t feel autopilot was really up to the task. That being said Holy crap I cannot believe how they snuck a massive autopilot improvement into the “Fart app” update. I had recently updated like 3 days prior and taken the vehicle out in hopes of seeing a difference in behavior. Nothing had changed. Then this new update took me by surprise I take the car out for a journey to Costco and am absolutely floored with its ability to center in a two lane road and yes BANK and take the optimal path for driver comfort. I always felt it was too close to the yellow line for driving and waaaay too close to the whichever side the curve went. This update even with “2.5” hardware made me really hopeful and optimistic about full self driving. I didn t really enjoy my Navigate on autopilot experience too much before but I am looking forward to trying it again now with this one.

2018-12-21 05:05:33

Tesla Autopilot Performance

Odds of the Model S getting a body make over within the next year?

I m finally close to ordering an S I was wondering what you guys think the odds would be that the Model S will get a makeover. I know that the Model S just got a face lift but if a complete body change is coming I might opt to wait a little longer. I think aside from the facelift the body hasn t changed much since 2012...What do you guys think?

2016-08-13 06:33:12

Zero percent. The refresh was the change it brought the S and the X on the same design language. The only change may be battery options. It s all about ramp up for current models and build out for the 3

2016-08-13 06:44:19

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Bloomberg tracker on Model 3 production: Q1 2019

Bloomberg tracker on Model 3 production: Our best estimate is that Tesla has manufactured 235 713 Model 3s so far—or 80 050 in the current quarter—and is now building approximately 6 173 a week. In comparison Teslike estimate for Model 3 production is 70 000. His estimate for total production (including S X) is 91545. His estimate for total deliveries (including S X) is 80 000.

2019-04-01 00:08:45

The gap between Bloomberg s projection and the Wall Street consensus is more than $800 million worth of Model 3 cars.

2019-04-01 02:17:33

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Dashcam .REC files

I wanted to create this because I m not sure of how many people know this. I was in an accident a few days ago with my car. I got home plugged in my usb and the clip I needed was corrupted. Granted the way the accident happened it showed the other driver was at fault but I was annoyed that I didn t have it. I did some research into the .REC file and it turns out VLC media player can play them. I had already copied over my whole usb s contents so I checked to see if I could view any of my REC files. Sure enough there was my accident footage. &amp #x200B tl dr Don t get rid of your .REC files after an accident happens. Your footage might not be lost. &amp #x200B Edit: It actually looks like you can just rename the file. FSCK0005.REC -&gt footage.mp4 and that will convert it just fine.

2018-12-14 23:36:12

If you need footage after an accident and the footage is not obviously there remove the stick and do not do *anything else* before having made a **full low-level backup** of the USB stick with `dd` under Linux. ^([If you don t immediately know how to do this obtain the assistance of somebody who does]) `vlc` can then be used to play through the raw disk image not just individual files recovered files. Every bit of access renaming or writing to the drive USB stick before a low-level backup has been made decreases the chance of finding recovering footage. This is because it might be overwritten. (The footage is *very likely* on the drive just not visible in the filesystem structure).

2018-12-15 00:05:40

Issues with Sentry Mode

Daily Discussion + Support Thread - April 02

Use this recurring thread for basic Q&amp A vehicle assistance today s topics sightings customization shop item discussions etc. **Have a curiosity or concern?** - [On your displayed range?](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments epy1uh daily_discussion_support_thread_january_17 fenj4n8) - [Need Tesla Support?](https: www.tesla.com support) - [Winter Driving Tips?](https: www.tesla.com support winter-driving-tips) - [Software Updates](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki softwareupdates) **Vehicle Manuals - U.S.** - [Model S](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_s_owners_manual_north_america_en_us.pdf) - [Model 3](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_3_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf) - [Model X](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_x_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf) - [Model Y](https: www.tesla.com sites default files model_y_owners_manual_north_america_en.pdf) **Resources:** - [Gigathread of Resources](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments cdxuwh gigathread_of_resources ) - Recent Highlights and Links - See r AutoDetailing for cleaning detailing tips - [Discord Live Chat](https: discord.gg 7WuEqAW) - [Subreddit Wiki](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki index) - [Tesla Podcasts](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors wiki podcasts) - [Tesla Vehicle History Comparisons](https: docs.google.com spreadsheets d 1Rv464J1RsXNBNddy008IPsQfVrO4kHPh_L4HWKpG4bo edit#gid=0) - Communities: r TeslaLounge | r TeslaInvestorsClub | r TeslaPorn | r TeslaClassifieds | r Superchargers | r TeslaAutonomy **Please be kind** [genuine](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8rc3jg be_genuine ) and welcoming. If you want to share a photo you can easily create an image post on Imgur and include it in your comment. Find past discussions [here](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=author%3AAutoModerator+title%3A%22Discussion%22&amp restrict_sr=on&amp include_over_18=on&amp sort=new&amp t=all).

2020-04-02 09:11:45

So unfortunately with everything going on right now I m trying to figured out if it would be in my best interest to sell my model 3 but I m trying to figure out how much it s worth. Are there any guides on this? It has the performance unlock on the LR AWD which the main thing I m confused about.

2020-04-02 23:11:30

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Base Model 3 isn t actually available

I just got a call from someone at Tesla asking me to pay more for the longer range model 3. Otherwise my configuration won t be ready until the end of June. This is after telling me my car would be ready by the end of March and having me cough up more cash when I ordered. Customer service is really souring me on this purchase. Makes me wonder if my car will ever be ready. Maybe I d be better to get the cash back and wait until one is physically in front of me before buying. Anyone getting similar calls? This was the IL location.

2019-03-25 16:57:13

Your experience is literally the definition of a bait &amp switch: “Customers are ‘baited by merchants advertising products or services at a low price but when customers visit the store they discover that the advertised goods are not available or the customers are pressured by sales people to consider similar but higher priced items” File a complaint with your state s Attorney General.

2019-03-25 18:22:38

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

The very first customer Model 3 in Germany has been delivered - to me!

I ve been here for a long time but this is the very first time I have something that which feels postworthy! &amp #x200B https: i.redd.it 2ofgyu9rfbg21.jpg I just had the honor to be the very first Model 3 customer in Autoland -Germany! I got my P3D Midnight Grey at a about 09:00 o Clock and the delivery specialist told me that I was indeed number one to get the delivered checkmark in their database. How cool is that? I m really proud so I called her firstie -) Now open the floodgates! BTW: Owner &amp Reservation Holder since 31.3.16!

2019-02-13 10:49:38

What I read from this: in Germany they use a proper database instead of an overflowing email inbox.

2019-02-13 10:56:12

Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences

Semi... all of the photos unedited.

For people wanting to see all the photos.... https: imgur.com gallery 9jx1b I maybe had a minute to take photos and only from certain angles with poor lighting so I know they aren t amazing but I did what I could with the time I had.

2018-03-21 17:28:39

You did great. People are really gonna appreciate this.

2018-03-21 17:41:26

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Support your local owners clubs

Tesla does a poor job of letting new owners know about the existing owners clubs in each country state. Check out https: www.tesla.com support tesla-owners-club-directory to find the closest one to you.

2018-02-12 21:45:18

Beautiful. There is a group in fucking Vatican City and nothing in the whole France? Edit: found the Swiss group. But France?

2018-02-12 22:07:51

Tesla Factory Tour Restrictions

Anyone have experience with extended warranties on used Tesla vehicles?

I m purchasing a 2017 Model X. It has very low miles but due to the year make only has about a year left on factory warranty. I spoke with a dealer earlier who said Tesla isn t offering extended warranties and to look at into 3rd party options. Has anyone found a good company they like for this?

2020-08-19 03:34:13

Hey there bud you absolutely can get an extended warranty but only if you purchased from a private party (I m assuming you re not buying directly from Tesla). If you purchased from a dealer you re out of luck. If you can t do the Tesla extended warranty there are several 3rd party warranty-providers for Tesla like https: evannex.com and https: www.xcelerateauto.com Good luck and congrats on the spaceship

2020-08-19 04:35:23

Tesla Warranty Maintenance Insights

Per Min vs Per kWh Supercharging question

On mobile so sorry about formatting etc etc So as I m sitting here in Delaware US in my model 3 I noticed that the charging prices are a lot better than what I was getting just over in Maryland. The only difference in SC is that one is per kWh and the other is per minute (with the higher charge for above 60kw). I m getting over 120kw so if the math works out and the per min and per kWh are the same ($0.25 for example) I m essentially getting half price when at 120kw+. Am I missing anything or is this just a nice perk of being in a per min state?

2019-06-03 01:36:39

I think the fact that it worked out well is coincidental. In general per minute billing is less fair the further you are away from the upper limit of the cutoff. Tesla only does per minute in states where they legally cannot charge by the kWh.

2019-06-03 01:47:53

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Energy consumption for Sentry Mode

I really like the Sentry Mode but the energy consumption is outrageous. It uses something around 300 watts (Ryzen processor if that matters) thats more than my family home (when no one is at home). Do you think that this is just not optimized for low consumption at the moment or thats the best they can do?

2022-08-12 04:55:29

When Sentry mode is on all of these electronics are constantly using power: * 4 cameras for recording * Autopilot computer for analyzing the video and detecting people motion * Infotainment computer for writing to flash drive The current hardware isn t really optimized for it. Battery powered security cameras are optimized for the sole purpose of detecting motion and use a few watts at most. On the other hand sentry mode is basically a software hack that has to make use of the only available hardware that can detect motion aka the AP computer.

2022-08-12 09:11:37

Issues with Sentry Mode

Tesla home charging network idea

Is there a reason that Tesla don t just give every buyer that wants one a free or subsidized HPWC to place at their home for use by other Teslas? It would grow the amount of available chargers almost instantly and provide nationwide coverage. I m thinking the homeowner agrees to put the charger in an accessible place on their home or garage and agrees to be listed on a map of available charging locations. In the event that someone uses their charger Tesla could facilitate a transaction between the homeowner and the user maybe even taking a cut as Apple does with the App Store. It s no Super Charger but it would give almost universal coverage in a very short timeframe while the SC network is built up. Edit: It sounds like the [Destination Charger](https: www.tesla.com en_CA destination-charging?redirect=no) program is similar but for full service businesses. It could easily be applied to homes or small towns eg Visitor Info centres strip malls cinema s etc to rapidly expand the number.

2017-06-08 17:01:57

My driveway evse has been listed on plugshare for over a year. Noone has ever taken a free charge. Not once. People don t want to sit in someone s driveway for an hour or two.

2017-06-08 17:18:13

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Missing Tesla Airbnb Promo

Hey all I am trying to find that promo from years ago where Tesla and Airbnb joined to offer a self-sustaining house to rent somewhere in Australia ( NZ?) that you could rent on Airbnb and it even came with a Tesla Model S. I m looking for it as that s pretty much my dream home in terms of design and I have spent countless hours searching for it. Can someone remember? IF so any leads would be greatly appreciated!

2020-07-20 15:49:35

Perhaps this is what you were thinking about? I don t think AirBnB was involved in it though. https: www.theverge.com 2019 6 25 18715585 tesla-australia-renewable-energy-houses-electrical-grid-battery-installation

2020-07-20 16:09:34

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

So I rented a Model 3 and a Model S to compare. My personal experience.

I have a Day 1 Model 3 Reservation. I ve been excited about it all along. I sat in one at my local Tesla center in Century City. Not satisfied with the 2 minutes I had I decided to rent a Model 3 and took it for a nice long ride down PCH and Mulholland in Malibu. The next day I rented a Model S 75 to compare and did the same. Took my wife out to an early dinner each time. I don t have any groundbreaking insights here only personal experience but here it goes: I went to pick up the Model 3 in my BMW i3. Not going to lie I had high expectations. I was instantly excited but even in the white color I chose this one in there was this uncanny valley quality to it where the shape just feels a tiny bit off for no real reason at all. Driving it was great - car felt tight car felt quick car felt sporty. Felt a little bit like my old E90 M3 did but let s not get carried away here a BMW M3 it is not. The more I got used to it the more I liked it but everything I liked about the car was accompanied by something that equally annoyed me. Door handles are stupid - but its ok I ll get used to it. How do you operate the _____? Oh there it is...weird but its ok I ll get used to it. I really wish it had an instrument panel - but its ok I ll get used to it. I can go over every little detail but that s of no use here...you re in the Tesla motors subreddit you ve already read it a dozen times. I found myself trying to convince myself that this wasn t just a futuristic Mazda 3 but the overwhelmingly lasting impression was that it was exactly that. My wife reserved an opinion until the end of the night - she described it like this: It s fun and its pretty nice but it feels like this will be the Toyota Corolla in 2025. I agreed. The next day I picked up the Model S 75 in our 2016 BMW X5. I walked up and immediately preferred the looks of it. The slight awkwardness of the Model 3 wasn t there. It felt like a sexy sleek car and the premium materials made themselves instantly apparent. Everything felt right . The speed was there the ride quality was there it was the perfect balance of sporty comfort that I expected. There was no real learning curve everything was intuitive and I enjoyed the experience even though I had already test driven a Model S years ago and Model X when a friend purchased one. It was nice but that was it: Nice. The touchscreen is beautiful but you get over it. The ride quality is fantastic but I ve already grown to expect that from a luxury car. What else was there? Maybe I needed more time but there was nothing that was a must-have for me and I was sure looking for one. So I ve come to the previously unthinkable decision of simply holding off for now. If I want an EV with carpool sticker the BMW i3 fills my needs. Are there differences? Of course! But personally it s got enough space enough range and enough speed. The most unnerving thing about the Model 3 was how similar it felt to the i3 in real-world driving. Ride quality acceleration and interior space felt the same regardless of what the spec sheet shows. If I want a luxury vehicle to ride in premium comfort the BMW X5 fills my needs. Are there differences? Of course! But personally it s got everything I want in terms of ride quality features you expect from a $70k car and the range is upwards of 500miles with a 5min recharge time. Ride quality and interior space felt the same while the premium materials in the X5 were actually a little better and visibility was better in the SUV as well. A 17 touchscreen would be nice but it wouldn t really make my driving experience any better. So I m personally deciding to hold off. The upside for me just wasn t there. I love Tesla as a brand I ve invested a relatively small amount in TSLA and I enjoy seeing their vision materialize This wasn t a logistics or purely financial issue although money is always a factory in some way - I have a 220V charger in my garage and in my dedicated parking spot at work shared with only 2 other employee at my small company. I m 30 years old 2 toddlers at home. I m not too old for a sporty suspension (I commuted in a track-suspension BMW M3 for years) and I m not too young to dislike a comfortable ride (I had a Mercedes E-Class for a bit) - it s just a classic case of It s not you it s me . - What works best for my family and I is to keep what we have for the time being. I share this not to validate whatever decision you ve made the level of excitement in this subreddit is already high and I m not attempting to bring it down just sharing a very subjective experience. I m not sure what will change my mind in the future or what car I ll get next...maybe the Performance Model 3 will blow my socks off who knows? Maybe I should ve considered a P100D who knows? Maybe I should ve gotten that Carrera S that I fell in love with but decided against before Christmas who knows? But for now I ll sit on my Model 3 reservation to make a decision another day.

2018-01-30 21:03:58

Is someone who drives an i3 allowed to call the looks of the 3 awkward? To each their own I guess

2018-01-30 21:48:06

Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences

Tesla App Question - Distance App will work from car

Hello everyone. Quick question. Taking delivery of a Model S soon and with winter approaching I was wondering if there is a max distance that the app will work from the car. Basically I want to start the cabin heater before I drive it as there are some cold winters out here. So how far from the car will the Tesla App work to start the cabin heater. Model S will be parked two blocks from apartment and I hoping its within range.

2020-11-19 16:14:42

Oh man. Duuuuude. Dude. *You can be as far as you want*. The car is connected to the internet and is constantly phoning home to Tesla s server. The Tesla app interacts with the servers to interact with the car. The only range limit is with regards to doing Smart Summon. You need to be within 200ft of the car. But if you don t have Smart Summon it s a non issue. But I went on a cruise to the Bahamas once and used the app to check in on my car at the cruise terminal in Port Canaveral Florida.

2020-11-19 16:45:07

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

First new car purchase heavy commuting and my money.

I ve driven a 99 Acura RL from 17 to 31yo. I purchased it from my father in 07. It is currently in a mechanics lot unjustly feeling like an inmate on the greenmile. I love that car (375000Km) and I will probably cry when I sit in it to tell her its over. I have refused to let the RL die many times over but this blow and a change in jobs is too much. Starting in January I will be working in another city that is a 200km (122mi) roundtrip from my house. I will be reimbursed per KM and travel time. I would like this job on my resume and am excited to start. I dont see myself relocating. I ve been looking at my options and by my own math with gas prices at $1.40 L (5.30 gal) in Jan 15 I would be spending roughly $10K year in fuel costs (going 5x a week for 50weeks). Neither my city nor the city where I work have superchargers (nor do I know if they will be getting them?). So I would be charging at home and potentially at work if they will let me. This will be my first new car purchase and I have been following Tesla from the start. Unfortunately Im **currently** not able to afford a model S but I ve read about the model 3 that is aiming for around $30K US. For arguements sake lets say it is $40K US. With the above novel in mind am I wrong in thinking that the Model 3 would pay for itself in fuel savings within 4 years? (Well maybe not 4 because of the cost of charging but you get the idea?). Id probably end up doing 30 000km per year in mileage (not accounting for personal driving) so i d be at 120 000km within the same time and I am wondering what kind of implications high mileage has on the longevity of Tesla s in general? Even if I bought a new car now for the same price I would be out an extra 3-5k on depreciation come this time next year. Sorry for rambling but after I considered the above I dont see the point in buying anything now? It just makes sense to wait until the Model 3 is released.

2014-09-08 17:53:04

OP I know the Model S is a lot of money but in your scenario it s possibly very cheap. In the US you d be making at least $17 080 per year in reimbursed travel (It s $0.56 per mile here). In the Model S you d be paying $1 173 in electricity (assuming $0.12 per kWh). That leaves $15 907 left for a car or $1325 per month. You say you can t afford the car but if you bought a base Model S you would *make* $340 per month driving it. Alternatively if you keep driving your current car you ll make $492 per month. So effectively driving the base Model S would cost you only $152 per month plus extra insurance costs.

2014-09-08 18:57:04

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Spotted a few Model 3s out today - few pics...

Went out to see how much activity there may be on a Sunday and was not disappointed. http: imgur.com a WaXA8 RC#60 - Blue 19 - Saw on Kato Road (near the stalled 20 bay supercharger building) RC#90 - Blue 18 Aero - Saw near Deer Creek HQ. Black - Pulling out of Deer Creek HQ (no pictures) Blue (no RC#) - On test track Silver - On test track

2017-06-26 06:29:01

Great pic of the 18-inch aero wheel! I still can t decide if I like them or hate them would love to see them in person.

2017-06-26 08:04:49

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Model 3 windshield distortion and glass defect.

So I realized that after driving my model 3 for more than like half an hour I develop this headache that I never experienced before. I drive my merc with panoramic sunroof open (same sun exposure as 3) for hours and nothing ever happened like this. One day I had a friend in the passenger seat who mentioned my windshield looks funny from his angle. I pulled over and checked and noticed vertical wavy lines running through the middle of the windshield. Took the car to a friend who does detail and he confirmed this is 100% windshield defect and nothing that can be “fixed” or “cleaned”. Now I scheduled an appointment with Tesla about it but I m worried my car s gonna be in service forever and also if my camera calibration will be the same after the replacement. Has anyone been through this before? If you could ease my fears I d appreciate it lol.

2019-10-20 01:58:16

Wavy ripples are for sure factory defect and need to be covered under warranty. Now I ve seen Tesla has “glass replacement” listed under they re service on the mobile app so if they re smart they ll get the windshield in by the time your appointment is since they literally have a heads up of at least a couple of days given availability.

2019-10-20 02:02:34

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

When can we expect first euro deliveries?

Ordered on day one my Tesla page has stated delivery Early 2019 for a long time. What does this mean? Can we expect it in january? february? march? When can we expect the configurator to go live and let us place the final order? Id like to align this with selling my current car and getting the fast charger installed in proper time. =)

2018-09-13 06:09:42

Nobody knows until it happens. Elon time is always very optimistic. Might be second half of 2019.

2018-09-13 20:11:29

Tesla Model Y Purchase Consideration

Discussion: how to know if autopilot is working as designed

Hey guys so I have a RWD LR Model 3 and have been enjoying the use of auto pilot. Like many on this sub I have had my share of issues with the feature though. Missing offramps. Odd braking. Very slow lane changes. Getting 75% into a lane change and then jerking the opposite direction. And then whenever I m in a curve at all auto pilot won t turn on. I saw so many similar reports that I thought this is normal. My Model 3 is at the service center for some warranty work. Unrelated to autopilot. I got a loner model X with I believe AP2.5 hardware. The thing works like a dream. Auto pilot can be turned on basically any time. No issues with slow lane changes. Offramps working great. The feature feels perfect on this X. So now I m wondering if something is wrong with my 3. How do you know if something is working as designed or you have a real problem with auto pilot?

2019-03-03 16:09:42

Basic answer is you don t. You have to take the car in if you think it might not be working correctly. Then argue with the service center guys about it. Verify the X isn t an AP1 car first though.

2019-03-03 16:16:08

Tesla Autopilot Performance

FSD Beta with monthly subscription?

I m about to take delivery of a Model S LR that I ordered when the refresh was first announced. The good news is the car has gone up about $20000 since then and I m locked in. I can get FSD for $10k. I currently have a 2019 Model 3 with FSD and I absolutely love being part of the beta. It brings me true joy. I m debating whether to pay $10k for my S FSD upfront or do monthly. When I do the amortization of how long I am likely to own the 2022 S if the monthly stays at $200 I am likely to trade the car before I would have paid the $10000. But I have two big concerns: 1. That $200 a month goes up as FSD improves 2. That I am less likely to get the beta if I pay monthly. On that latter point any experience on here?

2022-03-01 12:00:34

I have had the Beta since October and I am s subscription user. So the subscription is treated just like any other pre-paid FSD owner and vehicle. You will need to go through the safety score and get into the queue that is waiting for Tesla to allow in more users to the early access testing group.

2022-03-01 14:15:08

Tesla Autopilot Performance

Cheapest model s with autopilot?

I ve been looking for a Model s and a 2013 p85+ is selling for around $60 000. I was wondering if it would be possible to find a 2014 model with autopilot for around $65 000. Battery size doesn t matter

2016-05-19 20:58:27

Get an inventory 70 with AP about 73k with the tax rebates still.

2016-05-19 21:06:16

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Can turn on wipers and set speed by voice in 2019.40.50

These commands work though in my November 2018 Model 3 I get pretty inconsistent response from the voice control. Wipers - set them to II or fast intermittent Wipers max - sets them to fastest Wipers 3 or Wipers sped up by X - turns on or speeds them up by X but there seems to be a bug sometimes even when it understands you speed up by 1 or 2 works 3 doesn t Wipers auto &amp #x200B You can see some of the natural language figuring out a command with things like turn on wiper max and it will show at the bottom the simple command understood as wiper max. There s likely more but it being inconsistent I got bored of experimenting it would often not hear anything from me or there was a big delay and then it would act even for things like navigate home. Also seems like background noise interferes some as turning off the hvac (which was running on low) helped a bunch. &amp #x200B [https: imgur.com a rXFCr99](https: imgur.com a rXFCr99)

2019-12-24 21:58:45

my mic was working fine this morning after the update but then throughout the day it started becoming less and less responsive. Now it won t hear me at all.

2019-12-24 22:28:10

Tesla Model 3 Wiper Concerns

Is it possible to own a Tesla without owning your own home?

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2015-06-14 14:09:04

I live in an apartment and have a Tesla. At first I had no way to charge at home. I made do with (1) parking garage near work that had 4 hours of free charging per day (note: there wasn t always a spot available plenty of Teslas Leafs and Volts taking up the spots) and (2) visiting the nearest supercharger on weekends to top to full. It was rough I had to constantly plan ahead about when I *needed* to make sure I got a parking spot with a charger to get to work and so on. I spoke with my apartment complex before getting the car they had have plans to install a general charging station but they ve been fairly slow about it. But they were kind enough to install a standard electric outlet near my parking spot. Between the trickle charge from that and the other options I never worry about charge now. To anyone in a similar situation considering a Tesla: I d strongly recommend talking with your apartment complex. They (probably) want to keep you leasing with them and installing a basic outlet is usually cheap (assuming they can run the power from somewhere nearby).

2015-06-14 15:30:08

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Brand new $45k Model 3 ($10k of upgrades) vs $45k CPO Model S?

Which do you think has a better value? People have been leaning either direction. What are the pros and cons of each side?

2017-04-25 21:59:57

Guess it depends on what you mean by value. The Model 3 will be new and it s 45k will likely depreciate faster for the first few years. But that doesn t necessarily equate to it s value to you. The Model 3 compared to the CPO will have some more modern features. It will be hardware equipped to have FSD capability and could participate in Tesla ride sharing network. The CPO that s 45k this year won t. The Model 3 will consume less energy for equivalent mileage. The Model S will be more spacious. These are but a few of the pro cons of each.

2017-04-25 22:06:58

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Model 3 res holders with a currently financed electric car. How do you plan to get out of it?

I have a March 31st reservation on a Model 3 and also currently have a 2015 Chevrolet Volt financed for 7 years at 0% and I am struggling to decide the best strategy of how to get out of it with the most minimal loss. I am asking here instead of in r personal finance because it s specific to electric cars and I am hoping there are a bunch of other people in the same boat here. I currently owe 26K and by the end of next year that will be down to 21K with about 70 000km on it. I figure I can maybe get 19-20k for it at that time if I do a private sale (trading in to Tesla is probably out of the question) Now the biggest issue is what is the Model 3 going to do to the used electric market. I figure it s one of these two things: 1) Crashes it and any sub 200 mile EV even with a range extender becomes worth a pittance. 2) Blips it up by making electrics cool and all the rage but since the Model 3 and Bolt will be hard to get new or used for a little while without a reservation the used market for anything electric skyrockets in price temporality. So with that said I can either list it for sale this summer and see what I get in terms of offers if I get one where I don t loose too much I can sell and pick up a beater Honda Civic or something for 2K or so and drive that till I get my Model 3. This would protect me against scenario #1 Or I can hedge my bets wait till it s time to order my model 3 and try to sell then. Then I have to take whatever I can get be the market up or down. So has anyone else thought about what they are going to do? Even if you just have a financed gas car you need to unload let me know your plans.

2016-12-13 14:04:12

I currently own a 2015 e-Golf (completely paid for so I m not here to comment on how to get out of the loan ...) with a range of 90 miles and I m a Model ≡ reservation holder. Just because newer electric vehicles get &gt 200 mi range doesn t in anyway reduce the value of the VW *for me*. It is still the perfect pick up the children from school pick up groceries run errands car and it will continue to be that for us. In addition if you have children one of these first gen. electric cars will make a fantastic first car for them: * They have an increased incentive to come home every night for a free tank of gas * They won t need to worry about gas money which today takes a lot of air of of those first jobs that teens get * You ll always know they re within 90 miles of the house So lets say you have a Nissan Leaf it becomes your Nissan Leash for your teen =)

2016-12-13 17:00:54

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Oddly damaged windshield

Hi all. I ll preface this by saying I ve already reached out to the nearest Service Center I m simply posting this while I await their response mostly to see what others think. So last night my wife and I noticed a crack along most of the bottom of the windshield on our Model 3. I first dragged my fingernail across the crack to see if I could feel physical damage on the top layer of glass. I could. I didn t see any impact points on our windshield however until I put the wipers in Service Mode. There are two huge broken apart impact points at the bottom of our windshield directly underneath the driver s side wiper. These are stills from a video I took apologies for any blurriness. * [Both breakpoints wipers in Service Mode](https: i.imgur.com 5TBid8n.png) * [Clearer close-up of one impact site](https: i.imgur.com PRLus10.png) * [Same two impact points wipers resting normally (Service Mode off)](https: i.imgur.com FvzHmOr.png) I ve been rolling this around in my head since last night and this is all I can come up with: * Stress caused the crack(s) severe weather and or ice build-up broke it (it s been bouncing wildly between 38ºF and -30ºF the last couple of weeks). This seems silly. * Somehow a couple small rocks or whatever impacted our windshield in the exact spot of our driver s side wiper while the wiper was in use and higher up the glass. Severe weather and or ice build-up made it much morse. This also seems silly. That s pretty much all I can come up with haha. I haven t noticed anyone moving our wipers and hitting the bottom of our window with rocks so I think I can rule that out. Thoughts? Anyone ever see something similar to this? Cheers. Edit: Mods: If this is incorrect inappropriate flair let me know and I ll change it. =\]

2019-02-17 20:25:43

My guess would be that you got moisture under the edge and then it froze.

2019-02-18 03:51:57

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Elon Musk is nothing at all like PT Barnum and other famous promoters.

I am always a little perplexed when people make this comparison. Elon Musk is not a skilled public speaker and he is not able to put together a compelling flashy presentation. He does not have a Steve Jobs like reality distortion field or charisma. People are often extremely skeptical of his claims and it s been that way for as long as I have known about him. Honestly I was one of those skeptics for a very long time. I remember my brother was very enthusiastic about the Falcon 1 launches and I told him don t get your hopes up it is very unlikely SpaceX will be able to make this work. I was similarly skeptical about Tesla which is now I believe a profitable self sufficient business. &amp #x200B His prestige has largely been established by succeeding in business ventures which most people believed would fail. Starting a new car company is an insane venture by any standard but doing it with EVs is 100 times harder. Tesla has been much more successful than any one had any right to expect. SpaceX succeeded in a field littered with better financed more experienced startups where no private venture had ever found success before. &amp #x200B To the people saying autonomy day was just a trick to pump the stock I would just remind you that people have been constantly saying those things about Elon Musk s ventures from the beginning. And so far the doubters have always eventually been proven wrong. Maybe this is a harder lesson to learn for the people on wall street or in the automotive industry but it s not smart to bet against Musk. And if you do you d better have a lot more to go on than just what the experts have been saying because it won t be the first time he proves the experts wrong.

2019-04-27 22:14:34

Don t listen to Cramer. He is a clown. If any investor really thinks that Cramer can predict any specific stock movement within seconds of being asked about it he she should stop investing.

2019-04-27 23:23:45

Musk's Tesla Take-Private Saga

Person who vandalized Tesla turned herself in

Saw the post about the person who vandalized someone s Model 3 a few days ago. Sentry Mode was on and the vandal was caught on recording. The Model 3 owner filed a police report shared the Sentry mode evidence posted to Social Media and ended up on the news. Link to original post: https: reddit.com r teslamotors comments dao5nt sentry_mode_ftw_i_caught_this_fine_citizen_keying It appears the vandal turned herself in. The Broomfield Police department updated their Facebook page with the following: https: www.facebook.com 377191122414507 posts 1722404327893173?sfns=mo I hope everyone can take a moment and share this on your social media. Talk about it with your friends and families. Tesla worked really hard to bring this feature and it worked really well. It would be great if this feature is more well known.

2019-10-03 18:50:48

Any word on why she did it? The post doesn t mention it.

2019-10-03 18:55:05

Issues with Sentry Mode

Battery Coolant Leakage Model 3

Has anyone else experienced battery coolant leakage very early on in ownership (first 5 days). Had my model 3 for two days before I saw blue coolant on the floor of my garage. Brought it in to service they had for a week said there had to have been an “air bubble” in the close system and the says tried to “burp” it out which lead to the coolant leakage because they couldn t find any other leaks. Had it home for 1 day and same problem occurred. They ve now had it for two weeks and pronounce it ready “again”

2019-06-18 03:54:48

Are you sure its coolant and not blue raspberry koolaid? Ask the SC to taste test for you

2019-06-18 04:04:51

Tesla Service Experience Feedback

Calling all Tesla owners! What would you say you love or dislike about your vehicles? What needs to be thrown away be enhanced or kept? Where do you feel Tesla should put their focus?

Owners are in a unique position to discuss the intricacies that many don t deal with on a daily basis. We do have the weekly [Idea Feedback Megathreads](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors search?q=flair%3Amegathread+idea%2Ffeedback&amp restrict_sr=on&amp include_over_18=on&amp sort=new&amp t=all) but they don t get too much traction. If you re a Roadster Model S X or 3 owner specify in your comment to help differentiate. Very curious to see what the community thinks maybe could give Tesla a boost of insight into what needs attention that could currently be overlooked. Make your voice heard!

2019-05-02 13:54:10

* Spotify option for the US (even if I have to pay for a subscription). * Apply Carplay Android Auto * Dashcam for AP2 Sentry mode for AP2 - both with cloud recording. * Check for update button (ie check for an update if there is a newer version available even if the car hasn t been flagged

2019-05-02 14:13:48

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Elon Musk has said time and time again that the superchargers can and will be beefed up to go faster. So I have a question.

**Theoretically** just how fast can they go? He claims a 20-25 minute charge time in germany because the superchargers there charge faster. Well.... just how hard can they push the superchargers? How high? How fast?

2013-10-24 01:43:15

Supercharging is not limited by the superchargers themselves. There are many ways to generate massive amounts of DC current to charge a battery pack Ultra capacitors AC to DC conversion (what superchargers currently use) battery to battery energy transfer... the list goes on. The issue that must be dealt with is how to quickly and safely get high amounts of energy into the 7000+ cells in the battery pack and validate that it will work perfectly every time in all weather conditions without damaging the cells in the process. All of this requires a very advanced battery management system and incredibly complex controls algorithms. In order support faster DC charging engineers must first expand those controls algorithms to support quicker charging of the cells (basically figuring out how to allocate all of this extra energy to the cells without damaging them) and then the entire system must undergo thousands of hours of rigorous testing before customers will ever see that functionality. You could think of it like filing up an ice cube tray with water. If you fill it up slowly you have lots of time to make sure that no water spills over and that every cube in the tray is filled up with an equal amount of water. If you fill it up very quickly you will end up with some cubes in the tray having barely any water while some are overflowing. The only solution to this is to move VERY quickly to ensure that no water spills and that every cube is filled up evenly - hence battery management systems must be able to respond very quickly to determine how to distribute the charging energy. In short the superchargers are not the bottleneck figuring out how to safely distribute high quantities of energy among 7000+ highly sensitive cells is the tricky part.

2013-10-24 04:56:32

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

70d vs 90d worth the 13k difference?

Hey guys I test drove the Model S just to see how it would feel when I get the Model 3. I feel like I shouldn t had done that now because now I really want a Model S till the Model 3 comes out. I talked with my fiancée and she says I should go for it. When the Model 3 comes out she ll take over the Model S! I wasn t expecting this to happen but I m going to make it happen. I need some help to decide what to do. The only thing to decide now is which one should we get? 70d vs 90d? The only thing I really care about is the extra range on the 90d. I m coming from super slow car so 70d speed is expensive enough for me. Is the 90d range worth the extra 13k?

2016-03-28 16:58:14

After 4 months of daily (mostly winter) driving I ve never needed all the battery storage I have. More specifically I ve never had *less* than 60 miles in reserve. In other words as yet I could have done just fine with the S70. And the SC network is only getting better... and the gaps between smaller. Obviously this depends on where you live. But most of us are lugging around batteries (and weight) that we don t need 99% of the time. The minor increase in 0-60 performance is probably not worth the battery upgrade. If the cost of upgrade is making you reconsider buying not-buying a Model S then DEFINITELY get the S70. You re getting 99% of the car (and the driving experience) that the P90DL driver has during 99.9% of your journeys.

2016-03-28 17:18:30

Tesla Model Comparison

Just ordered my SR+. Is the NEMA 14 50 the best cost effective option for charging an SR+ at home?

I just put in my M3 SR+ order today (yay!) and the only thing that s confusing me so far is the charging. I have a garage with a standard 120v outlet in a perfect spot for charging. However from what I ve read it seems the NEMA 14 50 is the way a lot of people are going for with home charging. Is it correct that I d have to get an electrician to come out and install a NEMA 14 50 outlet? Ask Tesla markets their wall connector as the best way to charge but how does installing one of those compare to the price of installing a NEMA 14 50 outlet?

2019-07-17 23:46:46

14-50 is the best bang for the buck in terms of cost to charging speed. I would recommend it.

2019-07-17 23:49:10

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

PSA on Model 3 Trunk Strut Mod

If any of you have done i1tesla s trunk strut replacement mod keep an eye on the attachment of the new struts. When I installed them I noticed they were not a perfect fit meant to take them off after a while but forgot. Fast fwd to a few months later one of them came off when i was closing the trunk and shattered the rear glass. $800 for a replacement rear glass. Maybe I had a defective strut I m pretty sure I securely connected them but I could ve messed up too. https: imgur.com rYTOd6e

2019-10-26 16:02:11

RIP rear glass. The rear glass seams to be the most vulnerable part of the 3. I closed my trunk and there was something that wasn t fully in the trunk and it crushed the rear glass. Totally my fault but it s something I never had to think about before my 3. Still love that rear glass though I wouldn t change it if it meant that it wouldn t look and function as awesome as it does.

2019-10-26 16:21:19

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Replying to 2018.21.9 15s AP nags: Sigh. This is crux of matter: can t make system too annoying or people won t use it negatively affecting safety but also can t allow people to get too complacent or safety again suffers. Latest update should have a positive effect on latter issue especially.

https: twitter.com elonmusk status 1005879049493725186?s=09

2018-06-11 13:14:08

[Nags are increased](https: www.reddit.com r teslamotors comments 8py1jq 2018219_autopilot_nag_frequency_shortened ) and sensitivity of [hand detection is better](https: www.youtube.com watch?v=UdSWIn4PRzM). If you want to reduce complacency and increase safety these are good changes.

2018-06-11 13:46:42

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Model 3 Transfer to Father

Hi guys I reserved two Model 3 s one for me and one for my father. Having read elsewhere about Tesla transferring the reservations within people s immediate family I did not have my father s DL when I made the reservation so I put both under my name and was told by the sales rep that I would just need to call HQ to have the reservation transferred to his name. They re now telling me that I need to cancel one of mine and have him reboot. I waited in line to get a good spot and doing this will push a couple hundred thousand people ahead of him in line. Obviously I don t want to do this. Reselling it to him is also not an option because all of the warranty policies are different. Does anyone have guidance on how to get this done?? Thanks!

2016-05-18 15:30:20

Just wait until we re closer along in the purchase process. Once Tesla actually tries to CONFIRM all these orders and close the sales they ll be much more happy to help you out.

2016-05-18 16:45:26

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Contacts not syncing since ios 13

Has anyone noticed an issue where their contacts no are longer syncing to the car after updating to ios 13 on their iphone? I have tried disabling and re-enabling all of the syncing options both on the phone and in the car to no avail. I know Tesla recently did a software update too but that was prior to ios 13 and I m pretty sure it was still working fine after that. Didn t see any posts about this so I m wondering if it s just me? Seems to not be as great about walk up unlock either. It had been working so perfectly. Now I will sometimes have to push the handle in and out a bunch of times or open my app or turn Bluetooth off on or just open the Tesla app.

2019-09-24 13:55:39

Check the apps permission

2019-09-24 14:23:20

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Bought last night got text this morning for delivery tomorrow!

Been waiting since m3 came out last year and finally pulled the trigger last night with prices about to go up. Could not believe I would wake up to a text saying my delivery date is tomorrow!! For reference I m in Denver got Pearl white awd. Now I just gotta quickly figure out financing.... ** Quick Update: Thanks to you wonderful Redditors I checked on the year of the VIN I was matched to. Turns out they tried to stick me with a 2018 that has 284 miles on it. I called my delivery guy and after some back and forth with sales they ended putting me into a 2019 vin with 4 miles and a $600 adjustment (discount). The way this was all explained to me: the vin (2018) I was initially matched to had a $3600 adjustment tied to it. I would have presume-ably seen that price when I went to pick up tomorrow. Apparently the website doesn t show this adjustment. Additionally if you go directly to a store the units they have in their inventory can carry price adjustments in this case as of 14th they have $600 adjustments. I confirmed it was not because it was used or defective. So generally speaking it seems to be a good idea to go to the store to get your car since you could be missing out on deals! I had ordered mine completely online and would never have gotten the $600 adjustment.

2019-03-18 17:53:48

Yea buddy! You will love it. Good luck w financing. I ve heard credit unions are best.

2019-03-18 18:08:21

Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences

Factors that people who argue new longrange EVs will out-compete Tesla miss:

1) Factor number one that many who argue that the new EVs coming will compete with Tesla miss is is in order to manufacture large amounts of EVs on the scale of model 3 is you need a battery supply almost equal to the entire Li-ion battery production of 2015. Tesla has been building their gigafactory for the past 4 years just to have enough batteries to produce the model 3 at scale. Does the I-Pace or any of the other long range EVs coming soon have a large enough battery supply? How many I-Paces will be sold a month? How many pre-orders does it have? 2) Take the GM Bolt. Tesla is already outselling the GM Bolt 3:1. Why is that. One factor is battery supply. (Another factor is battery cost - rumor has it GM is losing money on each Bolt sold. Battery cost comes down with increased R&amp D and economies of scale). 3) A third factor is charging infrastructure. It has taken Tesla about 5 years to reach the level of charging infrastructure they have today. Can competing EVs catch up with this infrastructure easily? 4) EVs make up less than 1% of cars made today. As EVs come down in cost EVs will take market-share from ICE cars not just from competing EVs. In other words legacy car-makers EVs will be competing with their OWN ICE vehicles. 5: ICE cars are sold by dealerships who a large percentage of their revenue comes from repairs. Will dealerships be happy to push customers to EVs knowing that their revenue from repairs may be slashed? In essence the I-Pace will be competing with Jaguar s own ICEs. Time will tell how successful the I-Pace and other future EVs will be. The lackluster GM Bolt sales may shed some light on what to expect.

2018-05-15 05:35:42

Model 3 is the first ever (arguably the only one as of today) EV that at the same time becomes: 1 produceable: it can be mass produced without restraints from materials or technique. This means it can be affordable to the general public. 2 marketable: in other words people like it. Half a million pre orders say something. 3 profitable: this is the vital part. EV of other big auto companies are not required or even designed to be profitable. Because they are also making millions of ICE cars which can balance their sheets. Those EVs are somewhat only mean “existence”. But Tesla has to be able to get profit from model 3 even without any incentives because it has to be.

2018-05-15 06:04:33

Future of Electric Cars

0-60 time on slicks?

Since the P100D manages to do 2.5 seconds to 60 on stock tires would adding slicks to it make it even faster due to the added grip? Or is this already the absolute maximum that the battery can supply?

2016-10-28 03:30:49

Traction limited to at least 30mph so yes increasing grip would decrease times.

2016-10-28 12:31:36

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Portland OR - Anyone care to come over to test out charger (Prepping for Model 3!)?

Hi! As the title says - with things going well I m guessing I get to take delivery of a Model 3 sometime later this year. I needed to do a panel update anyway so I got the charger hooked up. However I have no way to test it for real (green light is on at least)! If you d like some free electrons and care to nerd chat about the cars you re welcome to swing by. Edits! Install picture [here](http: imgur.com a t7Cm9). It s a HPWC on a 60A circuit so real Tesla only. I m actually in Beaverton near 185th &amp TV Hwy.

2017-06-24 12:02:02

&gt I m guessing I get to take delivery of a Model 3 sometime later this year. Oh you innocent little lamb. You have so much to learn.

2017-06-24 15:55:43

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Tesla assigned my Model 3 to some random person in Europe

Maybe you ve heard of me. I m the guy who managed to [reverse-engineer the Tesla Key Cards](https: gist.github.com darconeous 2cd2de11148e3a75685940158bddf933) that are used on the Model 3 and Model Y. But that s not what this post is about. This is the story about how Tesla accidentally assigned my vehicle to some random person “in Europe” giving them the ability to remotely control various aspects of my vehicle—even the garage door to  my home—without my knowledge or consent. It started a few days ago when my partner told me that the garage door was open and I walked out to investigate. This seemed strange: I didn t remember opening the garage door. “Maybe I m just being forgetful?” I thought to myself. A little later in the day my partner told me that our Tesla Model 3 had been acting strangely. When walking up to the car she would notice the trunk and frunk open and the AC blowing at full blast. After closing both she said they opened again a short while later. At this point I was a little more concerned but I was quite busy with work and didn t have time to investigate. When I did finally get around to looking into it the vehicle was already taken by another family member to run an errand. Concerned that my account might have been hacked I logged into my Tesla account on the website to see what might be going on. Nothing. My car was gone. Now very concerned I checked the Tesla app on my phone. For a moment I saw a brief flash of the picture of my car which was immediately replaced with options to look into new vehicles to purchase. My car was gone. I then checked the Tesla app on my partner s phone. Again: My car was gone. My mind raced. Had my account been hacked? That seemed implausible. My passwords are high-entropy and unique per account. Had the guys at Costco changing my tires somehow figured out a way to override my account? That seemed implausible too but…maybe? Was my vehicle being stolen right now? Clearly someone else knew where the car was maybe they were just waiting for it to be left in a public parking lot before making their move? I texted the family member to check if the vehicle was still where she parked it and that all the doors trunk and frunk were still locked. I then urgently searched for Tesla s customer service phone number which is surprisingly difficult to find on their website when stressed out about  your vehicle no longer being under your control. Google came to the rescue: 1 (888) 518-3752 I luckily got a human on the line relatively quickly. I explained the situation told her my account info. She then asked for the last six digits of the VIN. After nervously scraping around the filing cabinet I found a document with the VIN and gave her the digits. She then asked me to read it back to her. Her responses after this point started to sound puzzled. She asked for the full VIN. Then after a few moments of typing she said she needed to escalate to her manager to address this problem. Hmmm… About fifteen minutes of hold-music later she came back and asked if I had the car in my possession. After confirming that I indeed had not sold or given away my vehicle she asked me what color it was. After responding she went back on hold. I was puzzled. I guess my account wasn t hacked? But what had happened? A few minutes later she came back. “I m sorry Mr. Quattlebaum but it appears that one of our employees in Europe entered the wrong VIN when updating the system about the sale of another vehicle. The wrong VIN they entered was the VIN for your vehicle” “What the fuck?” I exclaimed in suprise completely oblivious to my son being nearby. “Yeah it s pretty bad. We are going to move the vehicle back over to your account and open an investigation into how this happened” I was dumbfounded. Someone “in Europe” had bought a used Tesla and then went on to transfer the vehicle to their Tesla account—except the VIN that was used was the VIN for \*my\* vehicle. Never mind that my vehicle is clearly nowhere in Europe or that it doesn t even have a compatible charging port for European chargers. They just handed control of my vehicle over to some random person no questions asked. Theoretically had this random person been in proximity to my vehicle they could have opened it started it and driven away with it. Not that this was a real concern but still. In case you were wondering here is a list of the things that someone can do remotely on a Tesla vehicle if that vehicle is in their account: * Lock Unlock the doors. * Roll down the windows. * Open the trunk and frunk. * Control the climate control. * Honk the horn. * Flash the lights. * Start the vehicle so that it may be driven. * Give other accounts control of the vehicle. * Change the charge limit. * Prevent charging entirely. * Open nearby linked garage doors. * See the location of the vehicle. * Summon the vehicle making it move if it is not connected to a charging cable (although the app would likely have prevented this). Had we been dependent on using the phone key feature we would not have been able to open or start the vehicle. Luckily all drivers for the vehicle have that feature turned off and only use NFC keys which were unaffected. Once the vehicle was transferred to their account this random person proceeded to remotely open the trunk frunk change the climate controls change the charge limit and even the garage door to my home multiple times throughout the day. I sincerely doubt they had any idea the chaos they were causing: I m sure they were confused about why they couldn t open their frunk from the app. “So the vehicle is now back in my account?” “Yes sir and we ve opened an investigation into how this happened” “And the Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement that s back on my account too?” “Yes of course” And a little bit later while trying to work out the details of how to get the car back onto my partner s account the phone went silent. Didn t disconnect just went silent. After several minutes of waiting I hung up. I went to the Tesla website and finally I could see my Model 3 back on my account. Phew. Then I went to check the “glovebox” to see if my Motor Vehicle Purchase Agreement (MVPA) was still there. **EDIT3**: u Doctor_McKay pointed out that the MVPA was likely still in my account now under previously owned vehicles . Turns out that s exactly where it went. Thanks for the advice! ~~It was gone.~~ ~~You might be wondering why this is important. This is important because I had purchased the “Full Self Driving” (FSD) package and the MVPA proved that I had made that purchase. However shortly after taking possession of my vehicle it no longer had the additional features that came exclusively with the FSD package. I had tried to get Tesla to fix this in the past (they even upgraded my FSD computer for free because they saw I had purchased FSD on the MVPA) but they never actually enabled it in the vehicle. I had been meaning to call them up at some point to complain again to get them to honor the MVPA which was conveniently right there on my account for them to read—but life is busy and I kept pushing it back. Besides the MVPA wasn t going anywhere right?~~ ~~Little did I know that Tesla was going to hijack my vehicle from my account deleteing the MVPA from it in the process. Now I feared I was going to have to prove that I made the FSD purchase instead of them just looking at the MVPA and acknowledging the mistake.~~ I digress. This was as they say a complete clusterfuck. I m left feeling somewhat violated and shaken by the fact that this was even possible without physical possession of the vehicle or my participation. But perhaps that s on me: I m a software engineer I know how this stuff works. My ownership of the vehicle is just a line in their database to reassign at-will. There are no safeguards or cryptographic verifications that would require proof of physical possession before changing that line. All Tesla owners are just a fat-finger away from losing the ability to remotely monitor and control their vehicle. If it happened to me it could happen to you. &amp #x200B **EDIT**: Edited to make it clear that it is unlikely the person who was given control knew what was happening. **EDIT2:** Made it more clear that the family member to took the Tesla to run errands was not the same person as my partner .

2022-09-15 00:00:07

That person screwing with the trunk garage etc was probably them trying to figure out why the hell their own car wasn t responding to commands.

2022-09-15 00:46:45

Model 3 phone key issues

Model 3 Naming Scheme

Is there any indication that there will be a naming scheme for the model 3? Or will they all just be Model 3 ? It certainly appears they have done away with the kWh naming we will have to wait and see if they stick with the P and D names as those roll out. The only difference at this point count be LR for long range Any one else have any ideas or heard anything?

2017-08-01 04:46:31

I read a comment earlier today that there won t be any badges.

2017-08-01 04:57:37

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

How much do you touch the touchscreen?

I spend a lot of my time in a Model S and I ve noticed more and more that I almost never touch the touchscreen. Almost everything I want to do is on the steering wheel while I m driving and using the touchscreen almost seems like more work and potentially more dangerous than just using the scroll wheels voice commands media controls. I still think the touchscreen has a top notch interface but I feel the need to use it less and less. Is this common for most owners or am I unique?

2014-08-06 16:59:44

Physical buttons are great because you can use them without looking away from the road.

2014-08-06 20:24:32

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Feature Request: Allow me to disable my Tesla (no key fob will work until I reactivate it)

In order to prevent surprise theft or unwanted entry while away it would be nice to completely disable entry to the car until I enter the app and reactivate the car.

2018-05-29 22:04:29

This is a good idea until Tesla s API goes down (like it did last night)

2018-05-29 22:42:51

Model 3 phone key issues

Calling all Crystal Ballers: How will the market response to Model Y? Buy TSLA now or Friday?

Note: I am NOT a major investor. I have all of 14 shares (whoo-hoo!) that I bought at $143 when TSLA tanked a while ago. I am planning a bit larger investment this time around but not huge. I know it is a small potatoes and nothing meaningful to real investors but I can afford it and I believe in the company and its mission.

2019-03-12 18:29:15

Yeah having TSLA has been tough. Always one Elon tweet or hit article out of sight.

2019-03-12 18:44:02

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Just went to my first supercharger about 10 miles away and it was completely full with people waiting in line. Does this happen often?

I just bought a Tesla Model S last week and today I decided to take a trip to a supercharger nearby in a shopping center to get a free charge figure out how supercharging works and take advantage of the nice day. When I got there every single station was full (8 stations) and there were 2 people waiting in line ahead of me. A guy standing outside said they were all only getting 35mi hr of charge. Is this a common occurrence? I can t imagine if I was actually low on charge on a road trip and I had to get there to find out I have to sit there for 8 hours before I can get back on the road again. If this sort of thing happens often how is the supercharger network going to handle the Model 3 owners when the car has mainstream market reach?

2017-09-24 19:00:16

In california at some specific superchargers yes it is pretty common to have lines. At most others no. I think the 35 mi hour is a little odd however. Smart move to go and learn first :) they are currently expanding the network and offering more stalls. Some are upwards of 20 now or planned. They opened up a new variety for inside cities which ends up functionally being a half-charger (one hookup). https: supercharge.info can give you a hand for finding build status https: abetterrouteplanner.com can help with planning a trip

2017-09-24 19:12:08

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Problem solved! Apparently in 8.0 if you have Range Mode enabled daytime running light LED s don t work!

Earlier I posted that ever since 8.0 my new facia LED running lights wouldn t illuminate upon exit or entering the vehicle. After 4 days in the service center the Tesla team couldn t figure out why. So they ordered me new headlamps... I told them this seems like an expensive fix and instead tried to troubleshoot with their team verbally over the phone. Well they didn t work so I drove into the SC to discuss further. It seems they weren t even aware that the LED S ceased to function on many cars since 8.0. It took a sales guy walking by to mention that range mode has to be disabled in order for the diffused LED to work! This is so strange that not even Tesla service was aware of the issue. Anyone else noticed the this? Do you all just run with the range mode disabled? Edit* spelling

2017-01-29 00:07:22

Apple replace 3 screens on my phone because it was always dim. After getting the third one and waiting on a new phone I was playing around with it and realized that if you click the home button 3 times it enables zoom which dims the screen. They had no idea.

2017-01-29 03:49:27

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Thoughts on likely driving dynamics of the Y vs 3

I realize this is all just speculation right now until people get a chance to actually test drive the Y but I m curious if anyone has any thoughts on how the Y will drive relative to the 3. I currently have a 3 on order but I ve considered cancelling and putting money down on a Y. More space would be nice and the Y would be great for the dog (65lbs). On the other hand I absolutely love the way the 3 drives and think I would be pretty disappointed if the Y ends up being too much less enjoyable. I currently own a BMW 335 and have had X3 35i loaners from the dealership. The X3 and the 335 share the same engine and (I believe) the same frame but there is a huge difference in driving dynamics. The 335 is a legitimately fun car to drive (not as fun as a Tesla but still) whereas the X3 feels pretty tight for a crossover SUV but is pretty far from fun. I ve had this same experience test-driving or owning other makes and models of cars in the past - the version of the car that sits slightly higher up (e.g. Subaru Outback vs Legacy) or has a larger body attached to the same platform and engine invariably feel far less engaging and fun to drive. I realize this is a natural tradeoff and you just have to decide which end of the tradeoff is worth it. But I m wondering if anyone has any thoughts on just how big the driving dynamics difference will be in the Y vs. the 3? The published 0-60 times for the X vs the 3 are 0.3 seconds apart while the difference between the 335 and the x3 35 are 0.4 seconds apart which leads me to believe that the relative differences might be similar. I ve also read that the Model X is a pretty different driving experience than the S which might mean that the 3 vs the Y will be pretty different. Anyone have any speculation they d like to share?

2019-11-30 15:38:06

I think they will be close. The Y will be heavier bigger and higher off the ground (including seating position) but the center of gravity is still low. End of the day I think there will be a smaller difference between the 3 and Y compared between a 335 and x3

2019-11-30 15:58:03

Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences

With pace of updates increasing is it worth getting FSD before delivery ?

I am picking up my M3 LR AWD tomorrow and I have paid for Autopilot already. I was just wondering if it is worthwhile to get FSD as well considering I will keep my car for the next 4-5 years at least. I will be commuting between Dallas and Houston every alternate week where I think NoA can be useful. Otherwise commute is 35 miles a day.

2019-03-30 18:14:04

You to you if you want to risk the money. Only reason I did was the $2k sale on it. No guarantee it ll be available in that time Elon time suggests sometime in 2020 or 2121 we ll see something I would deem worth some amount of money.

2019-03-30 18:16:32

Tesla Autopilot Performance

Model 3 offers more power output on hills

With scan my Tesla I have been watching my outputs lately and have noticed if I m on the freeway and punch it it ll consume about 330 kilowatts (442HP) [Imgur](https: imgur.com jwonCLY) but if I m going up a hill I ve seen it Spike all the way to 365KW (490HP) EDIT Other more in depth testing has shown peaks of 370.9 KW (nearly 500HP) which is in-line with what i saw. I need to find a nice controlled area with an incline so I can do more testing. Does anyone know what the limit is on power output? 2020 model 3 long range all wheel drive plus acceleration

2021-01-05 21:24:04

It could make sense. We know it is power restricted from what the battery and motors can do. If they regulate performance by speed of the motor and not by actual output then maybe under more load it would output more too keep that performance lvl? You could also try checking with 1 person vs 4 people in the car and see if anything changes.

2021-01-05 21:56:15

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Charging Stations as forms of Marketing

Hey Everyone! I am doing some research into the electric vehicle industry (EV) and am looking to find if there is any data on Tesla s growth after the ramped up production and dispersity of their Supercharger Stations? One noticeable purchasing restriction for the EV market is the availability of charging stations and locally I noticed that once a Supercharger was built in my town the number of Tesla vehicles started to grow. I am wondering if there has been any research into this matter? Thank you in advance!

2017-06-16 13:40:43

I have no data but it occurs to me that if someone saw a Supercharger and didn t know what it was they wouldn t be able to figure it out on their own. Even if someone was familiar with Tesla and EVs if they didn t know how Teslas use Superchargers it d be a big leap to guess that s what they were looking at. So based on that I don t think Superchargers are forms of marketing and what you noticed in your town was that people who were already knowledgeable about Teslas and charging were waiting to purchase a Tesla until they had a reliable means to Supercharge.

2017-06-16 13:45:19

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

One day I am going to own a Tesla.

I don t know when or how but after test driving a Tesla I ve decided my new dream car is a Tesla. It was perfect. It felt like I was driving in an iPhone - and I love my iPhone. Stopping at lights by taking my foot off the accelerator? Sold. Based on that alone any model is fine. This post will probably get deleted but I just want to put this out into the universe. I want a Tesla. Thank you and enjoy your beautiful cars. One day I ll wave at you from mine.

2020-12-21 03:47:52

first mistake was test driving before you can afford it. &amp #x200B Now you will be googling how to sell a kidney at 2am

2020-12-21 04:02:37

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Distressing lack of delivery clarity for UK RHD

Hey all Sorry to bust into Reddit with a whine thread but there are those of us who feel like we have to reach higher than the delivery contact centre to tell our stories as the details are pretty staggering. There are a few key points to this tale which I ll try and cover as it makes sense when you see the series of events that have led us here. Orders went live for model 3 in the UK on the 1st of May. I eagerly converted my reservation not least of which because I wanted FSD and the price was about to go up. Ordered an all wheel drive long range with 18 aeros. Grey. What a beauty. End of June deliveries begin the site advertised. This is my first foray into premium sedan territory but I ve bought a couple of new 20-30k cars so I had some expectations about the experience mainly that with a high margin vehicle like this it surely had to be better than all that. The first few minor blows to that expectation came quite quickly when we were told to select our delivery location and only the major Tesla centres were an option. No big deal I thought as I imagined the logistical challenges faced with delivering what was now rumoured to me 5000 back orders. I had a choice of two equidistant centres so I picked the one I thought might be easier to travel to. This is pretty much early June. You also put in your trade in requests now as well as your finance applications etc. This gave me cause over the next few weeks to make a few calls to Tesla to arrange and sort out the details. Firstly with the trade in. The undervaluation of my Prius was staggering so much so that they actually offered me 1k less than the finance I still owed on it an 18 month old car that had held its value very well being a plug in hybrid. I queried this assuming they might have the wrong model or something but was told in short that Tesla just didn t want to do trade ins. They don t look to make money back on the cars they take in and they were not able to explain why the offer for mine was so low ball. No big deal I thought sure. I ll sell it myself. Getting back nearly 7k equity in my current car was a big part of making sure I had the deposit for the new one by the end of June which I queried on each contact with Tesla and was assured that was still the information they had. Deliveries would start at the end of June and as a reservation holder and early order mine would be among the first to be delivered. However I was warned read the delivery t&amp cs because there is a bit in there about delivery and the fact that you only have 5 days to pick your car up once you are given a collection date. Otherwise the car can be assigned to someone else. I ask about this and explain that fit the purchase to make any financial sense I ll have to sell my car privately and that can take an indeterminate amount of time. When pressed about delivery of my M3 I was again assured that while nobody could give me anything solid there was no reason to believe the end of June would slip as an expectant delivery timescale. So I list my car for sale. I sell it privately and release the equity pretty easily after a brief spell on an auto website. Just a short wait left for my car. The news arrives that the first batch have indeed arrived though we are short on details. Piecing it together from stuff on Twitter Facebook groups and YouTube they are all performance models with white interior and all delivered to a single delivery outlet in London. Strange I thought though I suppose getting those high margin cars out and done makes sense for the big end of quarter push were hearing about. No big deal. But it s the end of June now and I ve had no car for two weeks already. There is a reason most companies give you reasonable trade in values so you can swap your car with your new one and it s too avoid both the hassle of selling privately as well as convenience of swapping old for new. Oh well. Early July wont be that bad. But it s still late so I again call Tesla to register my situation. I lay it all out my car is sold as per previous discussions so I am now at a loose end waiting for my Tesla. I m passed on to a guy who calls me from his mobile and tells me he s a UK delivery manager. No AWD LRs have been delivered yet at all so that s why you don t have your car. He says he s going to get the details on the next shipment from the us and try to determine if mine is on board. I find this a strange and confusing situation already. How can such a logistical task take place without any idea from manufacture to delivery? Surely the cars are made to order or something as there are so many different combinations of colour wheels and model that to deliver any cars at all and honour the reservation holders promise of first delivery seems impossible unless you re actually making the cars they ve now ordered first. Another week of no news I chase this guy up a couple of times no news. Suddenly he stops returning my calls. His phone is off. I call the main Tesla number again and it s around this time you start to piece together the full story from Twitter and so on. There is no further delivery. Around 500 cars have made it to the UK and there are claims that these have been given to non reservation holders. Digging deeper you find that there are thousands of registered RHD VINs but they are sat in an SF harbor waiting to be loaded and delivered. The ship journey alone takes 21 days so the full impact of how late this could get is starting to become clear. The main Tesla call centre is now a 45-60 minute wait on hold not a good sign either. When i do speak to someone I am aghast at the attitude now coming back. I m told that nobody is being given an estimate any more once you have a VIN allocated you ll be given a delivery date. Until then you just wait. Finding this very short on apologies and long on attitude I log a formal complaint not only about the lateness of the car but the total radio silence and the fact that I ve had to piece together the full story myself from social media. Surely Tesla must have known in may that they were not going to able to deliver cars in any significant numbers before July? And even worse here we are in the first week of July and the RHD cars in SF are still there or have been sent to some other RHD territories according to some reports. This means that July is pretty much out of the window now too so without even a word from Tesla I m now looking at a August or later delivery. Social media is full of people who ve found themselves in the same boat as myself. Pressured into getting ready for an end of June delivery only to find that estimate to be either a severe miscalculation or an down right lie. Worse is the attitude from Tesla that there is nothing to be done nobody can give you any assurances or estimates. Nobody can give you any idea when you might actually be assigned a VIN or how the manufacturing process actually works in terms of getting the cars made to order for the early adopters and on a boat to Europe. The whole reservation process where is as customers have helped crowd fund the company and car seems to mean nothing. Wait or cancel. That is basically what you re left. Personally I ve found that it had blunted my excitement for the model 3 enough that I ve been looking at some other luxury sedans and considering my options I may actually take the plunge and just give up on this idea of the model 3 not least of which because I m afraid this experience will be an indication of Tesla s ability to offer support and service in the UK in future. The people you speak to who work for Tesla simply hide behind the fact that the US based corporate isn t telling them anything. Not a good basis for an ongoing future relationship should you need parts repair or service in future. Worse is the fact that they seem unwilling to even acknowledge thier failure.

2019-07-09 10:52:06

It sounds like you jumped the gun on selling your previous car. I ve also got a pending order for a RHD Model 3 but I haven t been assigned a VIN on the website yet and if I understand the system correctly the delivery date shown when I ordered is not a concrete delivery date until I ve been allocated a delivery time - although I m not sure if this will appear on my account or will just be communicated to me. The communication or just the website could definitely be better - but I won t be selling my current car until I ve been allocated a delivery date.

2019-07-09 11:16:04

Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences

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2021-03-04 11:00:11

Are anyone else s order pages not loading? Just keep getting a white screen on my end all afternoon

2021-03-04 23:49:52

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Model 3 phone cable exchange

What are the odds you have an Apple and your partner has Android. If so is this relationship really going to last? I mean creamy peanut butter is one thing... Is trading cables a good enough excuse for meet ups? Probably worth a buck to mail them to each other. Kinda wasteful to add yet another cable to the junk drawer.

2018-04-25 04:59:06

Installed Qi pad and lightning cable. Fed USB-C cable to a possum.

2018-04-25 05:00:27

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Aptera starts petition for the USA to change its standard from CCS to the superior Tesla plug socket.

I personally do agree after hearing from Bjorn on YouTube that the CCS adapters lose their data connection due to saggy fat adapters. It s also way less plastic required and a lot cheaper of a system. They started this petition today sign if you agree. Thoughts? [https: www.change.org p congress-tesla-superchargers-and-plugs-should-be-the-u-s-standard-for-evs?redirect=false](https: www.change.org p congress-tesla-superchargers-and-plugs-should-be-the-u-s-standard-for-evs?redirect=false) If anyone was wondering Tesla has already open sourced their charge port patent for anyone to use without worry since June 2014 [https: www.tesla.com legal additional-resources#patent-list](https: www.tesla.com legal additional-resources?fbclid=IwAR0e_cM_oknl5EZjcoPgKDj2eOUU9RD91f_fkq6J41UjhsN_T8KWF4vGXnc#patent-list) **Tesla irrevocably pledges that it will not initiate a lawsuit against any party for infringing a Tesla Patent through activity relating to electric vehicles or related equipment for so long as such party is acting in good faith.** Port patent is listed as part of the pledge US D694188 Vehicle charge connector - [https: patents.google.com patent USD694188S1 en](https: patents.google.com patent USD694188S1 en?fbclid=IwAR0Ji69JD9cxL-hRSRbyjOlCMYvoHoVz-9fTSJMBFIngReCcJuZ3TAwh6jg)

2022-07-13 04:18:58

IMO it s too late. Too many other EVs use CCS now. The same thing happened with Beta vs VHS (yes I m old). Beta was better but VHS was more widely adopted due to patent issues. Same thing is happening with Lightning and USB-C although in that case it s debatable which is better. Edit: I should clarify I mean too many EV makers use CCS. It ll be hard to get all those other companies to change and they have a lot more lobbying groups and lobbying $ than Tesla. Even Tesla uses CCS in Europe now.

2022-07-13 06:13:28

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

AutoPilot messed up

My autopilot decided to follow the car in front of me when it switched lanes (middle lane of highway to right lane on a perfectly flat and strait stretch of road with good markings) there was a car to the right of me and it nearly hit it had to grab the wheel quick I know this is beta but geez! Has anyone else had similar? AP2 2017.38 f87c64d5 software release.

2017-10-08 01:02:46

No you re the first to have an issue with AP.

2017-10-08 01:24:35

Tesla Autopilot Performance

Besides grid safety why would someone without solar want a powerwall?

Or is it JUST for solared folks?

2015-05-13 10:57:04

because you could take advantage of real time pricing and charge for cheap at night and use when electricity is expensive during the day

2015-05-13 10:59:12

Issues with Tesla Energy Installation

Tesla sold my already paid for model S

I ve been trying to resolve this issue with Tesla for several weeks and haven t come to any conclusion because of lack of communication and support received from Tesla s team. After several months of searching for the Tesla I wanted 2019 Model S P100d I finally found a showroom model at the Florida Tesla location and placed my deposit thinking I ve secured it. I completed the registration required by Tesla got my MVPA with Tesla with the VIN got it financed and the payment was sent to Tesla within 5 days of securing my dream car. However the following week I received an email from the compliance department stating my car that I had already paid for was cancelled. I tried contacting the compliance department but I got no response. I was shocked and confused as I got an email confirmation from Tesla stating that they have receive and accepted my payment and set a delivery date I got this email after the compliance department contacted me. So I called my OA (owner advisors) and he informed me that my car was in queue for registration in Texas. Then I called the Tesla showroom in Florida to clear up the confusion and I was assured that the car was still under my name and was still mine and hadn t been cancelled. And that my car was at a offsite location being ready for pickup. Although I had gotten a lot of reassurance from the Tesla Florida team members the email still did not make sense nor did I receive any furthers communication from the compliance department ie till Monday. On Monday compliance department called me and confirmed that the issue would be taken care off and I would soon be contacted by the delivery specialist within 24 hours of our conversation. I was then contacted by the delivery specialist via email confirming that I was getting the same car same VIN 2019 model S p100d that I paid for but that I just needed a new RN (reservation number) for which a link was included in the email. It instructed me to pay the deposit again and so I did. At this time I was completely reassured that the email from the compliance department was a miscommunication from Tesla s side and that it have been rectified and my car was back on track for delivery with no issues in sight. I could finally relax after days of trying to get an answer and be excited about my long awaited car. Couple of days later I received a phone call from the same delivery specialist that I had been in touch with. He called and told me that there was bad news and good news. He started off with the bad news telling me that the car that I had already paid for was sold to someone else during the time my car was cancelled by the compliance department. He went on to tell me the “good news” that they had a similar model S but 2018 version. By this point I had no words to understand such unprofessional behaviour from “reputable” company like Tesla. I was still trying my best to be as understanding one could be in this situation and so I asked if they could accommodate me with the car similar to the car I paid for. He said he couldn t do anything else and that this was the only deal as close to my 2019 model S. So I said fine and he sent me a link to the new RN and that I had pay a deposit again. By this point I had paid three deposits ONE full payment for my 2019 model S and still had NO CAR. After I had paid the third deposit I spoke to the delivery specialist expressing my disappointment and asked for them to at least pay for the delivery to compensate for all the distress and downgrade of car. And to my Surprise the Tesla delivery specialist said “this is a take it or leave it deal” and that he could not anything to compensate for all the problems caused by Tesla. A few days go by of me trying to contact anyone at Tesla I reached out to all the point of contact I had within Tesla the compliance department and legal department to further discuss this issue as they had assured me multiple times that I would get my already paid for 2019 model S. But I have yet to receive any means of contact from Tesla. Then I get contacted by Houston Tesla delivery department informing me that the 2018 model S is at the body shop getting repairs which I was not aware of that car needed any repairs and that I would not be able to get the delivery before the end of the year. This is what s been currently happening I understand that it s holiday season but it is very frustrating not receiving any communication from Tesla. Is there any advice on how I should handle the situation or who I should contact at Tesla to get this resolved. As I am currently making payments for a car I do not even have. And I would personally like to get the car that I paid for a 2019 Model S verses a damaged 2018. TLDR: Ordered and paid for a 2019 model S P100d and Tesla ended up selling that VIN number and is trying to get me a 2018 Model S.

2019-12-25 00:02:13

WALK AWAY

2019-12-25 01:38:17

Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences

I m going to put a deposit down for a Model 3 in 2 days what should I expect?

I m so excited! Giddy as a school girl :) I heard you get a Tesla member account online or something. What is that? What should I expect from the process? Edit: OK most people say that I ll need to wait. I know this thanks for rubbing it in. Ugh! I m in Australia (Ie. Left hand drive market) which will have an even longer wait! For those of you hating the wait spare a thought for us poor aussies.

2016-05-23 15:15:22

Expect to pay $1000 and to get a generic page with your name on it. That s it until 2017.

2016-05-23 15:18:34

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

What are the chances of Tesla releasing a sub-Model 3 car to compete with ~$15-25k cars like the Camry or Corolla?

Of course this would take a while - maybe 2 - 3 years after the Model 3 is in full bolt (hehe) or perhaps even longer but given that Tesla have stated that they want to get electrics to be successful in the lower end and that their main mission is to push others (as well as themselves) to adopt EVs and EV production do you think this is a possibility? Sure it wouldn t be a *fancy* car and at that price point may lose a lot of the halo features of the Model S and X but it d be a way for those who can t afford a Model 3 to get into a pretty good electric car assuming by that time that there are still very few new options available in that segment. Also just to clarify I m speaking more of Corolla Civic Cruze competitors than of Camry Accord competitors.

2016-02-20 05:53:05

Tesla currently has the public image of a luxury car company and I would expect them to develop that into something similar to Mercedes (who manage to make luxury cars and SUVs as well as no-fuss work trucks semis and vans). One thing about Mercedes that is common among all luxury manufacturers is that their cars don t start at less than about $30-35k since below that price point you start to make serious compromises in fit finish and features that end up not meeting the expectations of a luxury car. Tesla is in an interesting position since they aren t fully established as a major luxury automaker yet but I don t expect that they would diminish their brand to serve the $15k market. Perhaps a spin-off company in the future will do that.

2016-02-20 07:08:39

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Legacy auto companies can crush Tesla any time they decide to get serious

This argument has always bothered me as it minimizes Tesla s competitive advantage. I believe they have unique EV drivetrain expertise that will be exceedingly difficult to catch. They also have an exclusive relationship with one of the world s top battery researchers Jeff Dahn. The latest article on BMW confirms it. They can t compete in EVs and so they decline to scale production. These guys are getting further behind. Scale is what would help them catch up. https: cleantechnica.com 2018 03 23 bmw-pushes-back-ev-mass-production-says-not-profitable-enough-2020 It s classic innovator s dilemma. There s no way the established automakers can catch up. Half of them could be bankrupt in a decade.

2018-03-25 02:28:38

&gt There s no way the established automakers can catch up. A decade ago people would have said there s no way a new manufacturer could succeed in the market. Never is a really long time.

2018-03-25 04:31:20

Future of Electric Cars

Feature request: auto-lower AC fan speed when taking incoming phone call or initiating outgoing phone call.

My previous car (2014 Mercedes) did this and it s a great feature. When I hit the scroll button to take a phone call it would be great if the fan speed automatically lowered to create less background noise. It can always be manually turned back up and would go back to previous setting when call ended. Seems like this could easily be done with a software update.

2017-04-12 02:20:31

My 2012 Volt has this. Seems like it would be fixable via an OTA update.

2017-04-12 02:26:42

Tesla Climate Control Issues

How good is Premium Connectivity?

I will be ordering my first Tesla soon and wanted to know more about premium connectivity. Can it run Spotify with no pauses or problems? I will be mainly using it for Spotify. Anyone have any info?

2021-06-26 23:22:00

It will run Spotify assuming you are in AT&amp T coverage but the bit rate is really low…audio quality is much better over bluetooth from your phone.

2021-06-26 23:53:34

Spotify Integration Analysis

what is this?

I saw this raised thing under the the spoiler on an X at the Fremont factory a few weeks ago and was curious as to what it was. I don t have one on my X so...any help would be appreciated. [Here is the image](http: i1186.photobucket.com albums z380 Andrew_Fetterer IMG_4817_zpslqtqljbv.jpg)

2016-10-15 19:55:46

thats where the blinker fluid goes.

2016-10-15 20:11:13

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

2020.48.10 Update Issue - Spotify

Always seems like 1 step forward and one step backward with Tesla. After updating to 2020.48.10 in my S I have now apparently lost all of my followed artists beginning somewhere in the middle of the N artists (alphabetically speaking). From what I can tell they have added Featured Artists in place of the rest of the artists I was following. This is incredibly frustrating as the last big Spotify update finally applied an automatic alphabetical sort to your followed artists....which made finding a particular artist much easier than when there was no logical sorting order at all. So thanks Tesla for giving us a much needed sorting update only to screw it up by apparently limiting the total number of followed artists I can now see and replacing it with featured artists I have zero interest in. EDITED POST: I ve also just noticed that I am now experiencing issues with Auto Pilot freaking out and disengaging for no apparent reason. Twice tonight (immediately upon engaging Auto Pilot) the car decided to flash warnings about taking control of the vehicle when I was on a 3 lane road without any cars nearby. Not sure what is going on with this current update but I d avoid it for now if you can. For reference I m in a 2019 Model S Raven (Sept build date).

2020-12-08 23:14:00

Might your updated didn t go right did you try leave it to deep sleep? Some time it fixes a lot of issues

2020-12-09 03:07:29

Spotify Integration Analysis

Rented a Tesla Model 3 today from Turo. Here s my review.

Hey everyone I wanted to contribute my review about the Tesla Model 3 to the Tesla community. Last week I decided to rent a Tesla Model 3 via Turo. I bit the bullet and ended up paying $281 for a 24 hour rental. I ve been looking forward to this ALL week and today was the day I got to pick up the car. Before I get into it some background on me. I currently drive a 2015 MINI Cooper S 4DR. I ve been the owner of 2 BMW 325XiTs and 2 MINI Cooper S (previous and current gen). My dad s always been a car guy so I ve had the privilege of driving his luxury cars growing up: BMW 530i a bunch of Audi A4s Infiniti M35X Mercedes E350 and his current Audi A6 diesel. Because of this I m a car enthusiast. I love the performance technology and handling of cars. I scrutinize these factors when I drive cars. Since my MINI s lease is coming up in July over the past two months I ve been test driving all sorts of cars. These have been the potentials for my MINI s replacement including: A4 Quattro Prestige Golf TDI Alfa Romeo Guilea Honda Accord 2.0 Touring Acura TLX BMW X2 Nissan Leaf (2018) and the Kia Stinger. I ve been wanting to drive the Genesis G70 and the Mercedes A-class (no set release date in the US but supposed to be later 2018). I m also a TM3 online reservation holder - waiting for the glorious day I get my invite :) Here s my review after spending about 3 hours with the car today: Acceleration: This car moves fast really fast. The raw surge of energy from the RWD and the instant torque makes the car exhilarating from stop. It s so thrilling I felt like a little kid cheering for joy everytime I punched the accelerator. As many have said the power does top out after you reach certain speeds but it s by no means slow. Having driven ICE cars my whole life I thought I d miss having paddle shifters steptronic but this car moves so quickly and is so responsive it s totally fine. Handling: Incredible. I took the car on some back windy roads and I was pushing the car hard around corners. Never heard any tire squeal and the car literally hugged the road. I d arguably say the Tesla Model 3 was as good or even better than my Mini. And my MINI s handling is insane. You can push turns and curves at ridiculous speeds and it just grips the road. Steering: Sharp direct. The car literally goes where you tell it. It s precise. I test drove the Alfa Romeo Guilia and it felt as sharp and direct as that (the Alfa may have edged it out slightly but hardly noticeable). Ride Quality: I have no idea what people are talking about when they say the ride is harsh. I drove over potholes speed bumps and I never felt the ride was jarring in any-stretch-of-the-imgination. I felt it was composed and honestly it felt pretty smooth and comfortable. And remember this is with the 19 wheel upgrade - so I d imagine the 18 would be a lot nicer from a ride quality perspective. Night driving: I took the car out this evening and I have to say it was completely bizarre to have absolutely no light in front of you on the dash. It felt almost errie and strange but in some way very refreshing. The only light in the vehicle was the LCD screen (and at night it reverses to the darker colours so it doesn t draw much attention to itself). The headlights were really good - nice and bright - lit the road well. Same with high beams. Front visibility interior: I know Tesla wanted a minimalist interior - and by eliminating all the buttons and knobs they certainly achieved that. The front visibility is amazing - all you really see is the road in front of you. It s almost calming when you have autopilot on and all you have to do is focus on the drive. From a quality perspective I think other cars have nicer more premium interiors (ex. 2018 Audi A4 Quattro). Rear visibility: I did notice it was a bit hard to see cars behind you – you definitely do have limited rear visibility because of the car s design. It wasn t horrible but it wasn t great. I wish you could see a lower view of the road behind you but it is what it is. Autopilot: Worked incredibly well. I test drove a Model S many years ago and was impressed by it s accuracy. I m equally as impressed with the Model 3. I drove on highways single lane roads (in the city) and the car kept middle well. The car slowed down reasonably (not jerky) and kept good distances. The lane change worked well too but it was interesting to see how the car would do it – sometimes it would take a long time to do it and other times it was very quick. I think the Tesla is pretty conservative when it comes to doing that – I m fine with it. The only part I couldn t get use to of AP was how fast it would accelerate when the traffic pulled away quickly. Too much torque ) In addition I was pleasantly surprised to see that the car would come to a full stop and resume moving when traffic cleared. I m not aware of how long the car can stop before resuming (other car manufacturers have a limited duration with this so I m not sure if Tesla does too). Using the Tesla “card” key: Since I was renting the car I had to use the Tesla card key to drive the car and couldn t use the Tesla app. This was probably my biggest annoyance with the car so far. This to me is a huge fail on Tesla s part. Having a traditional keyfob is much better because you just leave it on your pocket unlock the car start the car lock the car. Everytime I wanted to enter the car drive the car and lock the car I kept having to reach for the Tesla card. This added more friction to what is currently a frictionless process for people with “comfort access.” I assume the Tesla app on my phone will alleviate this concern altogether but why mess with something that works so well? The LCD screen: While I do prefer traditional buttons for some of the controls that we ve all become accustomed to (ex mirror adjustment steering wheel adjustment) I didn t really mind having it on the screen either. Having the dash in the middle and the speedometer there was fine for me. I quickly learned to glance right and then back to the road. The software is snappy and responsive. And it s mostly intuitive… Not everything is done well but it s basically like an iPad and once you get used to where things live it s not bad. Regen braking: I ve never owned an EV so when I first got the car the regen braking was standard. I couldn t get used to it. It made the drive feel jerky because I m not used to keeping some pressure on the accelerator pedal to slow down. This is definitely a learned behaviour. I ended up changing it to low for the time being to make it feel more ‘normal to me. I get why people like only using one pedal so I ll just have to get used to it. Once you change it to normal it feels like a normal car from a braking perspective. Sound: The sound system was pretty good. It didn t wow me but it didn t disappoint either. Most of the cars I ve driven have either had been: Harmon Kardon Bang &amp Olufsen Mark Levinson. Compared to those systems I d say the Tesla s was inferior. I changed some of the balance tone on the vehicle but I still felt it was lacking in tonal quality compared to the other systems. I m going to try more music out tomorrow. Today my focus was more on the car and the drive experience :P. Update: I changed the immersive sound preferences to high and it made a big difference. The tonal qualities were more crisp and clear the bass response was nice and punchy and the overall sound was a lot better. I couldn t believe it was the same audio system. So -I ll retract my statement and say that it is equal if not better than the other car audio systems I ve listened to. Wind noise: I ve read many reviews about people saying it s noisy inside the cabin at higher highway speeds. I didn t notice that at all. It wasn t any noiser than any other car I ve driven. In fact I d say it was probably quieter. And remember there s no engine noise so you have to factor in that you can hear more than usual. Compared to my MINI cooper S it s way quieter :) Other: Heated seats - heats up fast and very hot. Really toasty. I always hate OEMs with heated seats and you can barely feel the heat on them. Kudos to Tesla on this one. Windows are all one touch up and down - for front and rear. The car also had autodimming rear and side mirrors. When you put your car in reverse the side mirrors tilt down so you can see the curb. Homelink is available for the car. There are driver profiles on the car - so you can save your settings and the car will auto adjust when you get in. It also has an easy entry mode - that will push the steering wheel and move your seat back for easy in &amp out. No Blind Spot Warning - I still think it s bizarre Tesla doesn t have this on any of their cars. When you are driving you can see sonar waves around your car so technically the screen will show a car in your blindspot with a wave . But there s no audible alert you need to being looking at the screen and the car won t prevent you from taking any type of action if you decided to change lanes when a car was in your blind spot. I wish the Model 3 had this. Closing: I m so excited to get my Tesla Model 3. I ve been car shopping and was considering other vehicles but after doing this rental I m completely convinced. I found myself just wanting to keep getting back into the car and driving it more and more. Driving the Model 3 is exhilarating. It s a car you ll love to drive every single time you get into it. That s how I feel about my MINI. But I feel this way so much more with the Model 3. When you drive this car you feel like you re driving a piece of the future. I love that Tesla does OTA updates. That means the car will stay fresh for a long time. Most importantly I m most excited about its self-driving capabilities. I love that I can buy a car in 2018 and know that it can eventually drive by itself. I plan to keep my Model 3 forever :) Now I just need to decide if I want to wait for AWD or go with RWD... :P Driving a regular car seems so antiquated now. I m returning the car tomorrow afternoon so I ll have more time to play with it. I m planning to visit a charging station to see what the experience is like and also see what it s like to drive in sunnier conditions. Questions? Feel free to post them!

2018-03-24 01:37:28

I will say once you get used to it regen braking is so hard to go back to an ICE car without. Whenever I am on the road and renting a car these days I always forget I have to actually start braking half the time.

2018-03-24 02:03:15

Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences

Base price of Model X

Final design of Model X is great but what will be the base price? I know Elon posted that it will be $5000 more than Model S but many features seems standard that are optional in Model S. It looks like smallest battery will be 90kWh panorama roof seems standard all wheel drive is standard and also 3rd row is standard. What do you expect to be the base price of Model X? I have configured Model S with these options and it is $95k add 5k and we are at base price $100k. Thoughts?

2015-09-30 07:55:44

Apparently Elon just answered: https: twitter.com elonmusk status 649130149036687360 Seems like the base price will be $100k lower priced versions later

2015-09-30 09:04:00

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

GM coming for TSLA?

From [this Seeking Alpha article](http: seekingalpha.com article 3798856-ces-put-it-to-rest-gm-is-coming-for-tesla) the author expects the Chevy Bolt to make a dent in Tesla Model S sales. WTF?? Here is some of his argument: &gt In other words except for those who would buy a Model S because of its styling or perhaps the luggage space a buyer who simply wants the most amount of range for the least amount of money may go with the Bolt. It s telling that the author didn t include the Model S in his table of $ per miles of range. Here is what the comparison would be: Chevy Bolt: $38 000 200 miles = $190 per mile Tesla Model S 70: $70 000 240 = $292 per mile &gt In other words **the Chevy Bolt is approximately a 35% better deal than the Tesla Model S** - and that s before customary dealer discounting that in the EV world today easily exceeds 10%. For many EV buyers that s game over. I have never seen a comparison stat for max#miles vs price of the car for an EV. To me that logic is just asinine. The author is admittingly short TSLA and there are some valid arguments to make about them as a company all around but you just cant compare a model S to a bolt. You might as well throw a moped into the discussion @ $2000 400 miles = $5 mile. OMGOMGOMGOMG jesus fucking christ. One is an high end luxury bleeding edge software driven car the other is a low end economy car....OF COURSE THEIR PRICES ARE DIFFERENT! He is so negative on TSLA i would like to ask him why the fuck GM would feel like they need to come for tesla . If tesla sucks so bad GM should just say fuck it and do whatever they want and not concern themselves with them right? This guy is shorting TSLA so he wants to spin the discussion in his favor. GM is the big guy. TSLA is basically creating a market of their own that will eat into GM. Shouldnt it be that tesla is coming for GM? Then he says this: &gt sold under 12 000 cars and lost $19 810 per car sold at an average selling price of just under $100 000 They dont sell the cars at a loss. They have a significantly higher profit ratio than GM...i guess he is calculating in all of their debt and cap ex to each vehicle. He doesnt even bother to recognize the supercharger system automatic steering charging time warranty THE WHOLE FUCKING DEALERSHIP BULLSHIT. GOD FUCKING DAMMIT. Im sorry. That article just sucked donkey balls.

2016-01-08 17:54:14

Seeking Alpha is awful and filled with poorly informed people trying to make their shorts work or their pump and dumps happen. It s a blog site not a news site. Not reading SA will make you a happier person and liekly better informed about the actual market. If you can stomach the absurdity it s a good place to find new bear arguments (remember they could eventually actually find a valid one) but not worth much else.

2016-01-08 18:20:38

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Tesla Portable Charger And Extension Cord

Can we use an extension cord from a nema 14\-50 outlet? The charger that comes with the car has a very short cord. Will something like this work: [https: www.homedepot.com p Camco\-15\-ft\-50\-Amp\-Power\-Grip\-Extension\-Cord\-55194 205518975](https: www.homedepot.com p Camco-15-ft-50-Amp-Power-Grip-Extension-Cord-55194 205518975)

2018-05-25 18:42:31

The manual is very clear: no extension cords. That said the specs on that extension cord (at least the conductors) are rated correctly. If you do decide to use it NEVER leave it coiled up while in use. It will overheat and catch on fire. Seriously.

2018-05-25 18:50:35

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Rear Facing Seat Heat?

So its hit the upper 90 s now and the rear facing seats are dysfunctional now due to heat and no air for the kids. Looking to come up with some ideas on how to reduce the heat but curious if anyone has actually come up with a solution that still allows the kids to ride back there when its very hot out. Only solutions I know are: tinting the windows or buying the rear-window screen (http: shop.teslamotors.com collections model-s products rear-liftgate-sunshade). May be a lost cause for the summer its been nice to keep the kids dirty shoes in the trunk and they love it.

2015-07-20 02:40:00

Goofy as hell but they work - http: www.nogglenation.com

2015-07-20 02:48:32

Tesla Climate Control Issues

Is the EV range race really heating up?

After Bolt range news there comes the [new Opel Ampera-e](http: media.opel.com media intl en opel home.detail.html content Pages news intl en 2016 opel 09-13-ampera-e-range.html) with over 400km 248mi. It is basically a Bolt for Europe but with a (seemingly) longer range. They seem to be using the typical NEDC EPA difference as a marketing trick. As it was discussed in the last couple of days Tesla does have an obvious advantage with Superchargers. But do you think Tesla should react quickly to these news and update the base Model 3 range in order to prevent people switching from Model 3?

2016-09-15 16:39:58

Nothing to update yet - as they haven t formally announced a range.

2016-09-15 16:42:05

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

What can the front doors do on a model x without PUP?

How can they be opened? How can they be closed? Do they still have motors or does pressing the handle just unlatch them?

2017-09-10 17:39:12

They re still motorized. Not sure if the brake pedal closes then though. There are literally no handles of any kind on the outside so they have to be motorized to open. If the brake pedal doesn t close the driver s door I imagine you pull the inside handle or just pull it shut as normal like the passenger has to do.

2017-09-10 17:58:50

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Any Model S owners living far away from a service station?

Hi everyone My wife and I are considering purchasing a P85 Model S. Had a friend s P85+ for a weekend and fell in love. The only thing holding us back is the fact that the closest service station is ~320 miles away. No supercharger in between us and the station. I contacted Tesla Motors on the website with no response (surprised me). I then called them a few days later and the CSR on the phone was very nice and said he would ask and call or email me. Two days later no response. I know that there is a ranger service but the CSR on the phone said that there would be additional charges if they had to go a significant distance. I don t mind paying extra (assuming I would need them for annual services only) but he could not give me a number (or even if they drove out over 300 miles). Any owners have experience with this situation? Thanks in advance for any help.

2014-07-13 04:22:24

I would like to think that the delay is due to the growing pains of a small company coupled with a summer spike in people requesting assistance information. Hopefully your patience will be rewarded. I m not sure what area you live in. If you click under the [map for 2015](http: www.teslamotors.com supercharger) do they plan a future Supercharger that would solve your issue? It might only be a problem for a year or two until they can build it out to your area or even add a Service center closer as well.

2014-07-13 18:46:24

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

[Discussion] Model 3 AWD motor size

Any thoughts on motor configuration of the upcoming TM3 AWD (non-P) model? I ve seen the following configurations as possibilities... 1. 2 of current RWD motors 2. 2 smaller motors compared to current RWD (this makes the least amount of sense to me in terms of production efficiency) 3. Same rear motor as RWD with smaller front motor

2018-06-28 18:40:05

[Let me go ask my dad...](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 998015873167208448)

2018-06-28 18:55:11

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Clueless Driver Engages AP + Plows Into Stationary Truck

So this just happened this morning on a highway in Taiwan: [Video footage here](https: www.cna.com.tw news asoc 202006010318.aspx) Basically the driver had plenty of time to avoid a truck which had broken down (and rolled onto its side) in the inner lane of the highway but ended up (somewhat hilariously) ramming into it head-on anyway. Clearly the driver wasn t paying attention and or potentially using something that bypassed the autopilot steering wheel pressure reminder. My understanding on the matter is that due to current limitations in software hardware(?) AP does not factor in stationary objects in its calculations. This seems to be a common trait in the fatal accidents of Walter Huang (2018) and also Joshua Brown (2016) where AP was engaged and the car plowed into stationary objects anyway. Just wondering if there s any good literature or resources on this to read up on? Why exactly AP calculates the way it currently does and what the strategy moving forward is going to be. P.S. the driver is totally fine sustained no injuries though his car is pretty beat up (and dirty...the truck was carrying what looks like thousand isle sauce or something real pink and saucy haha)

2020-06-01 14:34:15

It s not that AP doesn t factor in stationary objects. It s that stationary objects are harder to detect. Even for a human dinosaur moving objects are easier to detect. Source: Visited Jurassic Park when I was a kid dinos escaped. They made a whole movie about it. Never saw it.

2020-06-01 14:52:01

Tesla Autopilot Performance

If your app is stuck on “Last Seen X hours days ago” try this fix

I own a 2022 MYLR. 250 miles. My app was having an issue where the wheel was stuck spinning “Last seen 5 hours ago” even though I was sitting in my car and the controls in the app were not working. My wife s phone key was stuck the same way so it seemed to be an issue with the car. All the usual tips of reinstall app soft reset Tesla turn Bluetooth on off etc were not working for me. Here is what did work that no one seems to mention: Make sure each phone that is connected via phone key has been connected via Bluetooth to the car at least once (so the phone shows under devices to connect to under Bluetooth settings) I realized the app stopped working immediately after adding my wife s phone key. When I finally added her phone to the list of Bluetooth devices in the car everything worked. Hopefully this can help others as well.

2022-09-09 16:26:38

Soooo take my wife s key away....got it!

2022-09-09 18:28:58

Model 3 phone key issues

Does anyone have any information on the drag values of the Model S?

I am trying to calculate the drag area of the Model S to find the drag forces and for this i need the cross sectional area of the car and the drag coefficient which i know is 0.24. So what i m basically asking is does anyone know the drag area or cross sectional area?

2014-04-01 12:22:24

http: www.teslamotors.com sv_SE forum forums need-moreverifying-information-model-s Frontal Area: Width with mirrors = 86 Mirror width (estimate) = 8 each side Height = 56 Ground Clearance = 4.5 meaning a frontal area of: (86 - 2 x 8 ) x (56 - 4.5 ) = 3605 in^2. Information found in a forum post at this homepage: http: www.teslamotorsclub.com showthread.php 5690-Poll-on-battery-size page5 Drag Coefficient: 0.24. According to http: www.teslamotors.com blog model-s-efficiency-and-range.

2014-04-01 21:39:12

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Request:can anyone who just bought a Tesla describe the process? A timeline from when your order was confirmed to pick-up day would be great.

2013-10-25 02:44:10

My dad recently ordered a 60kWh tesla. Here is the timeline: September 1st: Order placed September 13th: Order sent to factory End of grace period September 23rd ish: VIN number assigned October 14th: The tesla factory is building your model s October 18th: Production complete. Your model s is being prepared for pickup or delivery [Note: it is currently being transported to the east coast] October 29th: Scheduled pickup date [Note: We were told initially that delivery would be Nov. 2 but they moved up the date by a week] Cutting out the two week grace period and assuming you live close to Fremont you can probably get even a 60kWh car in about 4-5 weeks.

2013-10-25 03:50:24

Tesla Model 3 Delivery Experiences

For people who were on the fence about getting a model 3 and ended up buying it how do you feel now?

I m in the position to financially afford it (all my investments are in order retirement cash on hand) but 40K is more then I ve ever spent on a car. People who were in a similar position and took the plunge are you happy? My fear is I ll get it and the excitement fades after a few months and I m paying more than I d like to for a car. I m in a good financial position (I m 30 years old) but sometimes I wonder if I should just keep investing the 40K from the car into the market and buy in like 5 years. But I love the car and drive an old Honda Civic now. I imagine my quality of life day to day will go up. Any insights from buyers in position would be appreciated.

2019-07-08 18:10:28

Simple. Besides my home it s the best thing I ve ever bought.

2019-07-08 18:18:06

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Model X or Audi Q7?

My mom and dad are shopping for a new SUV to purchase sometime around 2016 and they are really on the fence between a Model X and an Audi Q7. My dad wants to know if the tesla cars hold up compared to German made cars or does it develop rattles noises or other problems? Are there any new thoughts or perspectives that you can give that might persuade them one way or the other. Assuming the Model X cost about the same as a Model S is it worth the increased cost over the Q7?

2014-11-18 03:14:08

If the Q7 and the Model X are similar in cost even within 10k similar of cost you will get a better deal with an electric car. Simply the gas savings and lack of maintenance. Tesla s service has been amazing in my experience as well so if there are creeks or noises they tend to get fixed well. This is a bad place to ask this question but the Tesla would be the best. I can t go back to gas after driving electric and neither will your dad be able to.

2014-11-18 03:24:48

Tesla Model 3 Ownership Experiences

What do we know about the Model 3 so far?

There s been a lot of speculation over the past few months has any solid information been released about the upcoming Tesla Model 3?

2014-09-08 13:26:24

- The Model 3 will be more expressive than the Model S. &gt Tesla s Chief Designer Franz von Holzhausen described the Model S design as lean and athletic and said it has a sort of classic “ready to wear” element. In contrast von Holzhausen said Tesla s third-generation car — which will start to get designed next year — has the opportunity to be “more expressive ” and “couture” in its look. &gt [Link](http: gigaom.com 2013 11 07 teslas-chief-designer-says-third-gen-car-design-could-be-more-expressive-couture ) * The Model 3 will be labeled will either be labeled Model 3 or Model Ξ but not Model III. &gt @ElonMusk Yes. Technically Model 3 or maybe three horizontal bars. Won t be three vertical bars. &gt [Link](https: twitter.com elonmusk status 500378028141076483) * The Model 3 will start around $35 000 before the tax credit. &gt Barclays Capital – Question about $35 000 price point – before or after tax credits? Follow-up: Some feel small format batteries aren t the right way to go but rather large format. &gt Deepak Ahuja (CFO): The $35 000 does not assume that the $7 500 federal tax credit is no longer available but that the 35 000 Tesla Gen 3 pricing is without any subsidy. &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com highlights-from-teslas-2nd-quarter-qa ) * The Model 3 will have around 200 miles range. &gt I see a fairly clear path to that vehicle. I have high confidence that we can create a compelling [car] for around $35 000 compelling meaning a 200 mile range. - Elon Musk &gt [Link](http: www.cnet.com news tesla-ceo-talks-model-x-gen-3-new-markets ) * The Model 3 will not be all aluminum. &gt I expect there will be very little carry-over. We ve got to be cost-effective. We can t use aluminum for all the components. - Chris Porritt Tesla s vice-president of engineering &gt [Link](http: insideevs.com cut-costs-tesla-gen-3-wont-aluminum-like-model-s ) * The Model 3 will be similar in size to the BMW 3 Series. &gt The Gen 3-based sedan has previously been reported to be similar in size to a BMW 3-Series and both lighter and cheaper to produce than the current Model S. &gt [Link](http: www.motorauthority.com news 1084423_tesla-ceo-elon-musk-reveals-targets-for-affordable-gen-3-models) - Wish I could find a first person report of this but I couldn t. There are quotes of Elon saying the car will be 20%-30% smaller (than the Model S) and that it will compete with the BMW 3 series however.

2014-09-08 14:11:12

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

For those who ve had Tesla solar for more than a year how has it been?

For those who have had Tesla solar panels for 1+ years how has your experience been? Have things broken and you can t get it repaired? I looked on solarreviews and they have a 1.5 5 out of 412 reviews. Are these people who just like to complain? Or should I write off the $100 for their engineered solution and go somewhere else? If the system isn t generating as much as it s supposed to do you get the run around from Tesla when you call? Do you actually see all of the panels in the app and their production output? Or is it a one total number production? I m planning on dropping 50k on panels the XL package and 3 powerwalls. I m trying to get all of the information I need to make a good decision before I m in bed with Tesla for the long haul. I d rather lose 100 now and save myself future headaches down the road. I live in S Texas if that matters.

2020-06-27 17:53:43

I m hoping someone else will give you more details but I will hit one year in August. I have 0 complaints so far. I ve been hearing headaches of customer service... not sure what s going on there... and I convinced my buddy to check them out. He was about to pull the trigger but Tesla never got back to him or the communication was ALL over the place. He gave up after dealing not dealing with them for like months. Kinda boggles my mind Tesla didn t want the money? For my experience I did have to push a little bit to hurry up the process. It was very... weird. I m anxious to see what happens in Aug because they promised me that all bills with zero 0 in one year and it should stay like that. I have a feeling that once they installed the system you re dead to them. I m expecting to get the run around. As for the panels in the app nope just one number. And getting access to the solar edge site is a bit of a pain and confusing for me to understand. But that s where you d get the individual panel info. From beginning of 2020 I zeroed out my bill. Have had a few outages where I didn t even notice we lost power and 2 batteries. Total of around 32k in Florida.

2020-06-27 18:53:15

Issues with Tesla Energy Installation

No need to upvote - I just have some questions need some clarity on the fob and keyless entry stuff.

My job requires me to get in and out of my car probably 30 times a day on average. Sometimes more. I m an account service rep and I drive around and take inventory deliver product to our accounts but it s a process and I have to get out of the car 2-4 times for each account on average often in very warm weather. Currently I lock my car every time I get out obviously unlock it every time I need back in it and even if it s off for 5-10 minutes the AC obviously isn t on so it s a sauna when I get back in every time. My ideal situation would be that I could pull up to the place and park keep the fob in my pocket and keep the car running with AC on while I get in and out but have the car lock as I walk away and unlock as I walk back to it because I m always carrying a lot of stuff. Can this be done?

2016-09-17 22:43:52

Short answer no. But you can go to your phone and turn on the ac when you get out and it will be on for 30mins max. But we have to see what 8.0 will bring for us. The car will open when you come to it every single time. It will also close every single time you walk away.

2016-09-17 23:31:17

Model 3 phone key issues

Model 3 browser exploit found

https: twitter.com thezdi status 1109191278862852096 &amp #x200B Details haven t been released yet of what they gained access to. Browser exploits by default require you to browse to a malicious site so this isn t a terrible risk but interesting for those of us trying to gain root access to our cars.

2019-03-22 21:23:07

Good news in addition to finding the exploit is that these usually trigger rapid wide fleet updates :)

2019-03-22 21:27:59

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

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2019-07-15 09:15:54

M3P is roughly $5k cheaper. Looks like it s finally time for me to pull the trigger

2019-07-16 05:15:39

Miscellaneous Tesla Topic

Marshall MI Supercharger

Stopped by over the weekend and construction looked good. Talked to a worker and said it ll be done in a couple weeks. Looks like 12 stalls and one with room for a trailer. This charger will be super important for anyone driving across Michigan

2017-06-21 12:15:52

Really looking forward to having this completed. This is one Supercharging station that s key to making trips to Canada from the Midwest.

2017-06-21 13:06:28

Tesla Supercharger Road Trips

Nav improvement suggestion: tone only mode

A lot of times I drive with the nav on mute because it s too disruptive to have it constantly interrupting with the next thing to do. But with the nav in the middle in the Model 3 I ve noticed I ve missed more turns than I do in the Model S where it s on the TACC. So I kinda wish there was a Tone Only mode where it simply toned when it was time to make the next turn but the actual voice was still surprised edit: suppressed . Thoughts?

2018-02-28 06:54:05

My voice is never surprised

2018-02-28 07:05:14

Spotify Integration Analysis

The elephant in the room. Current pickups are ugly impractical and irresponsible.

I m sorry but a big box with a massive chrome grill is not attractive. Current pickups are impractical for most who get them. You have to have a top if you want to actually park with something in the bed. Look at the beds though - not a scratch -they don t use them because its a pain for the normal user. They are noisy and gas sucking hogs. They are unpleasant to have around and are a giant flag saying I don t give a shit about the planet. The construction people have an actually practical use for them and that is fine but the majority of sales are not construction people. All trucks are ugly - but they now don t have to be noisy environmental disasters.

2019-11-23 22:39:58

Also as much as I dislike traditional trucks the big grill is usually mostly unavoidable. You need to have a way to cool a big gas guzzler!

2019-11-23 22:58:02

Revolutionary Tesla Cybertruck

Can a Tesla be used without a key?

Hi there I m interested in purchasing a Tesla and I would love to let other people drive it without having the key. Ideally I could authorize another person to drive the car via the app and they could unlock and drive the car only using the app. Is this possible? Thanks

2019-07-07 16:16:17

Yes it is.

2019-07-07 16:17:58

Model 3 phone key issues