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The TruckNet UK Drivers RoundTable • View topic - German LGV driving bans. (The WHOLE story...)
I've compiled this post to help you with potential confusion which could arise from the numerous truck driving bans encountered by drivers in Germany. I've also tried to set out the info in a step-by-step way and have included links to the sources of relevant law.
The source for much of the info in this post is a telephone conversation I had with a gentleman at the BAG headquarters in Cologne. (Tel: 0049-221-57760.)
[BAG = Bundesamt für Guterkraftverkehr, the approx German equivalent of VOSA.]
As mentioned by some members, the map for this year doesn't (yet?) appear to have materialised, so here's my attempt at explaining when and why trucks may not be driven in Germany on certain days of the year.
(It's my own work, and therefore a "Google - free" zone. )
When speaking to the gentleman (I have his name ) at the Cologne HQ, it became clear from his explanation that there are TWO SEPARATE regulations banning the movement of trucks in Germany on certain days, both Regulations are clearly worded, BUT I must stress that the bans are quite separate and apply in different circumstances.
One of these bans is called “Ferienreiseverordnung” (FeV,) [ = The Saturday ban],
whilst the other is contained in the “Straßenverkehrs-Ordnung.” (StVO.) [= The Sunday and Bank Holiday ban.]
There is no UK equivalent of FeV, but StVO is the German equivalent of our "Road Traffic Act" so that's why they take it so seriously.
So maybe it’s best to look at these one at a time to discover why they appear to be different.
Link to quoted source (FeV) This link goes to a secured .pdf so no copy and paste.
My quotes are therefore manually typed and then copied and pasted from MS Word so I can use German characters.
§ 1 deals with definitions and validity, and gives the exact list of the affected stretches of motorways and National roads.
(I'm not typing that lot manually, so you'll need to visit the link and scroll when you get there. )
LINK TO LIST OF AFFECTED ROADS (§ 1)
Links updated to take account of the amendment to FeV that came into force on 13/06/2013
To discover the list of roads affected by the Saturday ban (FeV,) please see the excellent post from Inselaffe below
Cheers for that Inselaffe.
Here are a few German words that might help in understanding the affected roads in § 1:
Autobahnkreuz (or just "Kreuz") = where one motorway crosses / interchanges another
Anschlussstelle (no typo, there are 3x "s" ) = motorway on-slip
Abzweig = motorway turn-off
von = from
bis = to
Autobahnende = End of motorway
Bundesgrenze = German border
Autobahndreieck = motorway split (fork.)
SÃ¼d = South
FeV applies ONLY on Saturdays from 07:00 — 20:00 to named sections of Autobahns and national roads from the 1st July to the 31st August inclusive. It doesn't apply at any other time, or to any other road. The whole idea behind FeV is to prohibit the movement of trucks on Saturdays during the busy holiday period July - August.
§2 gives a list of publicly owned vehicles with automatic exemptions such as Police, Fire Brigade and the military etc.
LINK TO LIST OF EXEMPTED VEHICLES (§ 2)
Here is the important part, line by line:
§3 [Ausnahmen für private Fahrzeuge]
Exemptions for private vehicles (ie not military or police etc, cos they're exempted in §2.)
[This includes our trucks too. ]
LINK TO LIST OF EXEMPTED VEHICLES AND OPERATIONS (§3)
(1) §1 gilt ferner nicht für
(1) Furthermore, §1 doesn't apply to
[§1= the details of exactly which roads are subject to the ban]
1. kombinierten Güterverkehr Schiene-Straße vom Versender bis zum nächstgelegenen Verladebahnhof oder vom nächstgelegenen Entladebahnhof bis zum Empfänger,
1. combined (multi-modal) rail/road goods traffic from the consignor to the the nearest road/rail terminus (for loading onto a train) or from a road/rail teminus (after offloading a truck from the train) to the consignee, [there's no km limit ]
1.a kombinierten Güterverkehr Hafen-Straße zwischen Belade- oder Entladestelle und einem innerhalb eines Umkreises von höchstens 150 Kilometern gelegenen Hafen (An- oder Abfuhr),
1.a combined (multi-modal) sea/road goods traffic to/from a consignor/consignee and a port of loading or unloading (to/from a ship) within a radius of 150Km of the port,
2. Beförderungen von
2. Movements (the transport) of
a) fresh milk and fresh milk products,
b) fresh meat and fresh meat products,
c) Frischen Fisch, lebenden Fisch und frischen Fischerzeugnissen,
c) fresh fish, living fish and fresh fish products,
d) easily perishable fruit and vegetables,
3. Leerfahrten, die in Zusammenhang mit Fahrten nach Nummer 2 stehen
3. Unladen journeys in connection with 2 above
(2) Für alle geladenen Güter sind die vorgeschriebenen Fracht- oder Begleitpapiere mitzuführen und zuständigen Personen auf verlangen zur Prüfung auszuhändigen
(2) The prescribed documentation must be carried for all journeys and handed to authorised officials upon demand for checking.
§ 4 says that exemption permits giving exemptions from §1 (the ban) can be obtained from the Road Traffic Authorities (Straßenverkehrsbehörden) and describes circumstances of how / when / which office is to be approached for an exemption permit.
§ 5 deals with offences against this Regulation.
§ 6 exists, but has nothing written in it
and finally, § 7 says that this came into force on 01/06/1985.
Straßenverkehrs- Ordnung (StVO)
Link to quoted source (StVo §30)
StVo §30 (3)
(3) An Sonntagen und Feiertagen dürfen in der Zeit von 0 bis 22 Uhr Lastkraftwagen mit einem zulässigen Gesamtgewicht Ã¼ber 7,5 t sowie Anhänger hinter Lastkraftwagen nicht verkehren. Das Verbot gilt nicht für
On Sundays and Bank Holidays LINK TO BANK HOLIDAY TABLE AND MAP LGVs with an authorised GVW exceeding 7.5t and trucks pulling trailers are not allowed to circulate between the hours of 00:00 and 22:00. The ban does NOT apply to the following:
1. combined (multi-modal) rail/road goods traffic from the consignor to the nearest road/rail terminus (for loading onto a train) or from a road/rail teminus (after offloading a truck from the train) to the consignee, however, only up to a distance of 200km
4. Journeys by vehicles used in connection with civil defence / protection, which must carry the appropriate documentation for production to authorised officials for checking, upon demand.
Fronleichnam,jedoch nur in Baden-Württemberg, Bayern, Hessen, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Rheinland-Pfalz und im Saarland,
Allerheiligen (1. November),jedoch nur in Baden-Württemberg, Bayern, Nordrhein-Westfalen, Rheinland-Pfalz und im Saarland,
(4) is a list of days/dates that count as Bank Holidays and these are explained here: LINK TO BANK HOLIDAY TABLE AND MAP
In the FeV (Saturday ban) there is NO km limit, so you can run anywhere you like, as long as you don't use any of the stretches of roads / M/ways mentioned in FeV § 1.
In the StVO (Sunday and Bank Holiday ban) ALL roads and motorways are covered by the ban, except for journeys to/from a consignor/consignee within a 200km radius of the railway station or a 150km radius of a port. When this ban applies, there is NO exemption for transit traffic to/from the train according to the man from the BAG in Cologne.
My own opinions....
IMHO, the problem faced by UK trucks using the Freiburg / Novara rail service is that the consignor and consignee are very likely to be outside the 200Km exempted radius. (Check the distance from the rail terminus to the address on your CMR. )
Whilst it's thoretically possible that there might be some kind of local exemption covering a journey from the rail teminus to the nearest border, I have no PROPER HARD EVIDENCE of this either one way or the other, except what the BAG man told me.
I hope this post gives you sufficient info to come to your own decision whether to park or drive on a day affected by either driving ban.
My thanks go to brit pete for pointing out that the German Authorities sometimes alter the stretches of M/ways and other roads affected by the Saturday ban (FeV) to reflect local traffic conditions.
Cheers for that Pete.
Therefore, the exact stretches of affected M/ways and roads might not be absolutely 100% accurate.
The translation work is all my own, so neither "Google" nor "Babel Fish" can be blamed.
Since this is an original work, I've deliberately avoided pasting random links to poorly translated info.
I've done my very best to avoid the normal boo-boos associated with translating German.
Last edited by dieseldave on Fri Jun 02, 2017 5:59 pm, edited 5 times in total.
Reason: INFO UPDATED 09/08/2014
by DEANB » Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:20 pm
Well done Dave and Pete alot of valuable info for people going to Germany
by dieseldave » Sun Jul 06, 2008 12:59 am
DEANB wrote: Well done Dave and Pete alot of valuable info for people going to Germany
Cheers for that DEANB.
I've heard such conflicting stuff on this subject from drivers, I just thought I'd try and sort out the myths and come up with something fairly definitive that sorts out the two different types of bans.
The translation work gave my brain a bit of a workout, so I benefited too.
by allikat » Sun Jul 06, 2008 6:57 am
Cheers for that chaps, most useful. Spot me at an autohoff, and the first round is on me
Specialist idiot!
by Inselaffe » Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:28 am
Well done, Dave. A very informative post. You put a lot of work in there, mate. Thanks for that.
I was talking to my old boss in Germany the other day, and it seems that since the introduction of the Maut, the Saturday driving ban has become a bit more of a pain in the arse than it used to be.
It used to be possible to drive, say, up from Bayern or Hessen to Westfalen on a Saturday using a combination of motorways which were not subject to the Saturday ban (generally those running East - West were exempt whilst those in the North - South direction were subject to the ban) and Bundesstrassen which were, in the main, also exempt from the ban.
However, these days, vehicles subject to the Maut are permanently banned from using key routes like the B252 CÃ¶lbe - Diemelstadt (Edertal)
or the B3 Marburg - Borken , meaning that it is now almost impossible to legally drive Bayern - Westfalen or Hessen - Westfalen on a Saturday.
Apparently, the Polizei are aware of this situation and will often turn a blind eye to trucks on the motorway running home on a Saturday morning after 07.00
dieseldave wrote: The translation work gave my brain a bit of a workout, so I benefited too.
As long as you were sitting in the........ Comfy Chair
Nobody expects, etc, etc.........
by dieseldave » Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:29 pm
Inselaffe wrote: Well done, Dave. A very informative post. You put a lot of work in there, mate. Thanks for that.
Thanks, that's very true Inselaffe.
It also took several more hours to do the map and the other stuff in the Sonn- u. Feiertage link,but it was fun.
Inselaffe wrote: Apparently, the Polizei are aware of this situation and will often turn a blind eye to trucks on the motorway running home on a Saturday morning after 07.00
*** Said in a contrived German accent *** Zat iss very interesting.....
It might be because the guys weren't stopped, that they think it's OK to run.
Fair enough and good luck to all concerned, but the goal I'd set myself was to try and sort facts from myths to leave some clarity.
There's nothing like knowing where the goalposts are before coming to a decision.
Pulling the two bans together and doing a compare and contrast seemed a good idea at the time, but I'll only know with feedback and comments, so please keep them coming guys.
Inselaffe wrote: As long as you were sitting in the........ Comfy Chair
I wasn't then, but since I prefer kipping on my back, I am now 'resting' after what has been a very long squawk.
Just wait until Denis F see this...
by brit pete » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:51 pm
driveing during the ban will cost
euros and also points on your licence
yes even for non german licence holders
by Denis F » Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:54 pm
Germany is too far from home for me I do have a hungarian phrase book though
by Inselaffe » Fri Jul 11, 2008 2:16 pm
Fair comment, Dave. I certainly don't want to start an urban myth on this
Brit Pete is right on the money.
You will get stopped and fined for contravention of Saturday or Sunday driving bans in Germany.
Even if your name is Dinsdale Piranha
Autobahns subject to Saturday ban
by Inselaffe » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:02 am
Just thought I'd post up the definitive list of routes subject to the Saturday ban so folks don't have to trawl about looking for it.
(Source: Bundesministerium fÃ¼r Verkehr, Bau und Stadtentwicklung)
von Autobahnkreuz KÃ¶ln-West Ã¼ber Autobahnkreuz Leverkusen-West, Wuppertal, Kamener Kreuz, MÃ¼nster bis Anschlussstelle Cloppenburg und von Anschlussstelle Oyten bis Horster Dreieck
von Autobahnkreuz Oberhausen bis Autobahnkreuz KÃ¶ln-Ost, von MÃ¶nchhof Dreieck Ã¼ber Frankfurter Kreuz bis Autobahnkreuz NÃ¼rnberg
von DarmstÃ¤dter Kreuz Ã¼ber Karlsruhe bis Autobahndreieck Neuenburg
von Anschlussstelle Schwetzingen-Hockenheim bis Autobahnkreuz NÃ¼rnberg-SÃ¼d
von Anschlussstelle Schleswig/Jagel bis Anschlussstelle Hamburg-Schnelsen-Nord, von Anschlussstelle Soltau-Ost bis Anschlussstelle GÃ¶ttingen-Nord, von Autobahndreieck Schweinfurt/Werneck Ã¼ber Autobahnkreuz Biebelried, Autobahnkreuz Ulm/Elchingen und Autobahndreieck AllgÃ¤u bis zum Autobahnende Bundesgrenze FÃ¼ssen
von Autobahndreieck Karlsruhe bis Anschlussstelle MÃ¼nchen-West und
von Anschlussstelle MÃ¼nchen-Ramersdorf bis Anschlussstelle Bad Reichenhall
Berliner Ring (Abzweig Leipzig/Autobahndreieck Potsdam) bis Anschlussstelle MÃ¼nchen-Schwabing
Berliner Ring, ausgenommen der Bereich zwischen der Anschlussstelle Berlin-Spandau Ã¼ber Autobahndreieck Havelland bis Autobahndreieck Oranienburg und
von Anschlussstelle Dortmund-SÃ¼d Ã¼ber Westhofener Kreuz und Gambacher Kreuz bis SeligenstÃ¤dter Dreieck
von Autobahnkreuz Meckenheim Ã¼ber Autobahnkreuz Koblenz bis Autobahndreieck Hockenheim
von Autobahnkreuz Weinsberg bis Anschlussstelle GÃ¤rtringen
von Autobahndreieck MÃ¼nchen-Feldmoching bis Anschlussstelle OberschleiÃŸheim und
von Autobahndreieck MÃ¼nchen SÃ¼d-West Ã¼ber Autobahnkreuz MÃ¼nchen-West,
Autobahndreieck MÃ¼nchen-Allach, Autobahndreieck MÃ¼nchen-Feldmoching, Autobahnkreuz MÃ¼nchen-Nord, Autobahnkreuz MÃ¼nchen-Ost, Autobahnkreuz MÃ¼nchen-SÃ¼d sowie Autobahndreieck MÃ¼nchen/Eschenried
von Autobahnkreuz AllgÃ¤u bis Anschlussstelle Waltenhofen
von Anschlussstelle Sauerlach bis Autobahnkreuz MÃ¼nchen-SÃ¼d
BundesstraÃŸe:
B 31 von Anschlussstelle Stockach-Ost der A 98 bis Anschlussstelle Sigmarszell der A 96
B 96/E 251 Neubrandenburger Ring bis Berlin
Schrott und GebÃ¼hrenfrei
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by dieseldave » Sat Jul 19, 2008 12:04 pm
Inselaffe wrote: Schrott und GebÃ¼hrenfrei
Yes Inselaffe, that's true, but die weiÃŸen MÃ¤use also work on Saturdays.
...... as does Spiny Norman.....
Re: German LGV driving bans. (The WHOLE story...)
by milodon » Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:38 pm
there is at least one more exeption to the StVO, I carry a permit from hansestadt LÃ¼beck that says I am allowed to run during the holidays from the port to the applicable bundesgrenze, not to a loading inside germany, only to the border and from the border to the port, it cost â‚¬80 for 6 months, the saturday ban still applies. I pull a curtainsider.
by brit pete » Sat Feb 14, 2009 5:08 pm
these type of permits are issued by
the Landes -kreis (COUNTYS), Where I work
we have a permit which allows us to run
all the time even on saturdays, bank holidays
etc, my firm has 175of these and we get
them for a year at a time, and they have
been doing this since they brought the driveing
bans in and we have to drive as our customers
require a 24hr 7day a week service to allow
full time production, The majority of those seen
running when a driveing ban,are either running
with a permit or they are exempt the ban,You
then have the 10% who are running with out
a permit or a legal reason and when caught
will have to pay a fine see list
-Driving an HGV on a Sunday in contravention of the ban
75 (driver) 380 (vehicles owner) PLUS EACH GETS
a point put on their licence , These are held on your account
in the german dvlc Flensburg,
by dieseldave » Fri Aug 21, 2009 4:35 pm
brit pete wrote: 75 (driver) 380 (vehicles owner) PLUS EACH GETS
Ahh, ..... the Flensburger Kartei.
by GeoffC » Thu Sep 03, 2009 7:10 pm
Just got one of these maps
http://www.bgl-ev.de/daten/news/2009/BG ... LSEITE.PDF
Shows all the roads with a saturday holiday ban plus alternative routes, roads where lorries are banned completely and info about the eco-zones in many German cities, a good little map in fact.
Its published in may each year by the BGL (German transport association), I got mine from the firm where I'm working at the moment but you can order it here:
http://www.bgl-ev.de/web/service/angebo ... .htm#karte
at the bottom of the page, costs about Euro 5 as far as I can make out.
by dieseldave » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:17 pm
GeoffC wrote: Just got one of these maps
Hi GeoffC, that's a very useful contribution to this topic if you don't mind me saying so.
Another German transport association is:
http://dslv.org/de/site/en/index.xml (English language version.)
A little about DSLV from their homepage:
The Association of German Freight Forwarders and Logistics Operators (Deutscher Speditions- und Logistikverband e.V. - DSLV) is a fairly young organisation. It was founded 2003 in Bonn. It was the merger of the two most important organisations representing the interests of our industry — the Federal Association of Freight Forwarders (Bundesverband Spedition und Logistik - BSL) with its regional member associations and the Association of German Road Hauliers (Vereinigung Deutscher Kraftwagenspediteure - VKS). With its approximately 4,000 members, the DSLV represents about 90% of the estimated 55 billion Euros turnover generated by this industry.
by brit pete » Wed Sep 23, 2009 12:41 pm
That booklet is good but please remember the rules get changed every year so
you need to get the new booklet with the added changes,
by brit pete » Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:28 am
HELLO this is this years list for 2010 Germany s driving ban FROM 1ST JULY
to 31st AUGUST , LINK-HERE
if YOU WISH TO HAVE A MAP in english then you have to
get in touch with these people mentioned below, either write a e-mail
or phone them , they will have some who speaks ENGLISH so no worrys
the map cost â‚¬3.09 plus postage
, BDF-lnfoservice GmbH
BreitenbachstraÃŸe 1
by brit pete » Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:24 am
THIS years Driving BAN 2011 for Summer Months in Germany
In English and upto Date direct from the source,
by Trucking Turner » Sun Jun 26, 2011 10:46 am
Hi, are there any new roads this year, or is it the same as last year. ( I've got last years list marked in my atlas)
Trucking Turner
Joined: Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:11 pm
by bigvern1 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:01 pm
I've to go to Berlin for a tip next Sunday.(2nd March) How am I affected in an 18t with exhibition gear on board? I'll be on the train from Folkestone early Fri-am, so can I go all the way there on the A2 or not?
by Simon » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:33 pm
bigvern1 wrote: I've to go to Berlin for a tip next Sunday.(2nd March) How am I affected in an 18t with exhibition gear on board? I'll be on the train from Folkestone early Fri-am, so can I go all the way there on the A2 or not?
18t is covered in the Sunday ban.
I don't think exhibition gear is exempt from the Sunday ban, unless you have an exemption.
How much driving time will you have at Calais? You should be able to do Calais to Berlin in about a day and a halfs driving.
by Inselaffe » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:46 pm
Should be a leisurely 12 hour drive from the train to Berlin. As long as you hit Sin City before midnight Saturday when the ban kicks in, job's a good'un
by bigvern1 » Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:54 pm
I had planned on a day and a half. So thanks fellers.
by Inselaffe » Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:53 pm
With the possibility of a Big Saturday Night Out In Berlin if you get your skates on, I would recommend "Crack on, drive!"
by Simon » Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:01 am
Inselaffe wrote: With the possibility of a Big Saturday Night Out In Berlin if you get your skates on, I would recommend "Crack on, drive!"
Big Night Out in Berlin used to mean the Kurfurstendam (sp?), more commonly known as The Ku'dam. Get a tram, bus or taxi to the Tivoli Gardens and follow the rest of the roisterers.
This was quite a few years ago, in the 80's, before 'The Wall' came down. Things may have moved on since then. The Ku'dam was where the majority of night clubs and other establishments of evening entertainment and jollification where located. Short term 'company' was readily available, at the right price, if that was your preference
by bigvern1 » Sun Feb 23, 2014 8:49 am
I'm nearly 50!!!!
by Simon » Fri Feb 28, 2014 1:00 am
bigvern1 wrote: I'm nearly 50!!!!
And? I'm over 50, a good night out on the tiles is a good night out on the tiles!
by Riho » Thu Aug 14, 2014 3:47 pm
Is there a truck ban this Friday 15/8? If there is from what time does it start, maybe someone knows?
by Inselaffe » Thu Aug 14, 2014 4:48 pm
Not a public holiday in Germany, so crack on.
Next public holiday in Germany is 3rd October, Reunification Day