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Anna�s Birth Centennial Anthology � Part 4: Anna at Rajya Sabha on Dravidstan, Secession & Sovereignty
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Anna�s Birth Centennial Anthology � Part 4:
Anna at Rajya Sabha on Dravidstan, Secession & Sovereignty
"... the Defence of India Act is not and cannot be the conscience-keeper of the nation. It can only be the jail-keeper of the nation. ...We propose not to go underground. But surely the sullen discontent will go underground. The sullen discontent will go underground, and that cannot be countenanced by any measure. Political philosophy has not yet formulated a measure to fight out hidden discontent in the minds of millions. And, therefore, by this measure you are driving discontent, sullen discontent, sincere discontent, underground.There is another point that I want to make. Why do you think that our demand endangers sovereignty? Before answering that we should be very clear about what we mean by sovereignty. The preamble to the Constitution says that the political sovereignty rests with the people. Then legal sovereignty is divided between the Federal Union and the constitutent units. Why don�t you take it that our scheme is to make the states still more effective sovereign units? Why don�t you take it in that light? Why do you think that the moment we demand Dravidastan, we are cutting at the root of sovereignty? Sovereignty does not reside entirely in one particular place..."
[see also C.N.Annadurai - காஞ்சீபுரம் நடராஜன் அண்ணாதுரை and
The Tamil Heritage - Nadesan Satyendra, 2001, 2009 "...The Tamil cultural renaissance of the second half of the 19th century on the foundations laid by Swaminatha Iyer from Tamil Nadu and Thamotherampillai from Tamil Eelam, the rise of the Dravida Tamil national movement of the first half of the 20th century led by Periyar and C.N.Annadurai, the internationalisation of Tamil studies by the monumental efforts of Father Thaninayagam from Tamil Eelam, the armed struggle for freedom in Tamil Eelam (with the Chola Tiger emblem) led by Velupillai Pirabakaran, and the answering responses in Pongu Tamil Vizhas and Maveerar Naals around the world, are but tributories flowing into one river - the river of the growing togetherness of the Tamil nation, living today in many lands. And this river is not about to flow backwards. Here, not many will question that the future of the Tamil nation is interlinked with the other nations of the Indian subcontinent... Said that, it has also to be said that the Indian 'Union' will survive only if it reinvents itself as a free and equal association of independent states. The European Union is a pointer to the direction that the Indian 'Union' will need to take if it is not to go the way of the Soviet Union....." more]
Anna at Rajya Sabha on Dravidstan & Secession
Why the DMK gave up its primary political plank of demanding a separate Dravidastan in 1963 has remained as an issue of academic debate. In brief, the reasons proposed by the media analysts and Anna�s adversaries were:
(1) The Dravidastan (consisting of four southern linguistic states: Tamilnadu, Andhra Pradesh, Kannada and Kerala) idea failed to fly due to lack of interest from other three non-Tamil speaking states.
(2) The DMK, after tasting electoral success in 1956 and 1962, turned into a middle class �bourgeoise� party.
(3) The DMK leadership failed to prepare its cadres for long term militancy, and also was unprepared to travel the �underground� path.
(4) The DMK leadership were merely �tongue heroes�, who turned �thigh shakers� (thodai nadungi-kal) [a derisive Tamil phrase used by poet Kannadasan to his former pals], when the Central Government threatened with military action, in the aftermath of prime minister Nehru�s lead to expel Portuguese interests from Goa in 1961.
(5) China�s aggression in the Himalayan border during Sept-Oct. 1962, provided a good opportunity for DMK to throw away the Dravidastan plank, that it had carried since 1949.
(6) While Anna�s influence was supreme among his peers in oratory, journalism, drama and movies, he was outsmarted in politics by Kumaraswamy Kamaraj (1903-1975), the Congress Party rival and deal maker. Kamaraj first thwarted DMK�s Tamil nationalism by forming a Tamil Nadu Cabinet in 1954 with increasing Tamilian character of the Congress ministry. Secondly, his manipulation behind New Delhi�s corridor of power to appoint the Committee on National Integration and Regionalism in June 1962 and the adoption of the 16th Amendment to the Indian Constitution in March 1963 delivered a knock out blow to DMK�s secessionist plank. Not to be ignored was the fact that in early 1960s, Kamaraj also attracted towards him, a few disgruntled leading lights of DMK such as E.V.K. Sampath, poet Kannadasan and V.C. (Sivaji) Ganesan.
There may be truth in all these reasons. I present here a cartoon by S. Chellappan (Chellam) that appears in the vol.1 of current DMK head, M. Karunanidhi�s autobiography, Nenjukku Neethi (1975). In it, Anna is shown walking away, after disposing the sword (demand of Dravida Nadu) from his right hand.
As inferred by Robert Hardgrave Jr. in 1965, the leading American specialist on DMK�s early years,
�Since 1954, as the Congress Party in Madras was increasingly �Tamilized�, the issue of Dravidasthan has gradually become little more than a symbol of a growing specificity of regional demands on the part of the DMK and had begun to recede as a realistic aspiration in the minds of even the most nationalistic Tamilians. Indeed, during the 1962 elections, the DMK campaigned on the issues of bread-and-butter politics, and its election manifesto reflected an immediate economic concern which almost disregarded the aspiration for a separate and independent Dravidasthan. In the fall of 1962, as Chinese troops invaded remote Assam, leaders of the DMK outvoiced even the most ardent Congressmen in their plea for national solidarity and all-out struggle against the invaders. At the height of its power, the movement for Dravidasthan was virtually dead.�
I present a vignette that Robert Hardgrave had missed. In 1963, poet Kannadasan wrote a satirical poem �Kai Viddare!� [They�d Fumbled]. This appeared in the vol.5 of the collection of Kannadasan Poems, first released in 1972, after Anna�s death. It was a relatively long poem of 128 lines. A footnote to this poem states: �When DMK relinquished its demand for Dravida Nadu in 1963, the Tamil Thesiya Katchi celebrated the �Remembrane for the Dead�. This poem was presented at Madurai.�
I provide a literal translation of lines 81 to 96 of this poem filled with piercing sarcasm:
�Where�s the law? Here�s the army! You had boasted
Hey � the party�s young leaders! I�m asking
Here�s the law! Where�s the army? Where�s the leader?
Why your thighs are shaking! In day time �
Why are you wailing in sleep? Shaking the shoulders
Your words flowed like torrent � Now
Why you�d dried up like a land devoid of rain�
In addition, in lines 61 to 64, Kannadasan figuratively pummeled his former mentor as follows:
�The lies he spread to his dim-wit hirelings
He in turn became a fool in the eyes of others
His stock had rotten � he�d learn and drop
His hirelings then grimaced of their leader�s stock.�
The Tamil word �sarakku� had multiple nuances, one of which is �stock�. It also implies essence, (female) beauty, culinary taste etc. Kannadasan�s play on the word sarakku was delightful, and even the protagonist Anna accepted it appreciatingly. This is what Kannadasan recorded in the vol.2 of his autobiography Mana Vaasam (1980).
�Whether that poem will stand the test of time or not, it was appreciated well by Anna. He had referred to it as follows: �If I don�t accept thamby Kannadasan�s poem, it means I�m deficient in Tamil knowledge.� This was an example of Anna�s greatness and magnanimity.�
The 150 page book that appeared in 1975 entitled, �Anna Speaks; at the Rajya Sabha 1962-66� carries thirteen of the speeches of C.N. Annadurai. Among these, the speech he delivered in December 1963 on the theme of secession and sovereignty is a beauty that deserves reproduction. Thus, I present below the complete text of this speech (about 5,750 words), with the introductory note contributed by the editor Panrutti S. Ramachandran.
Unlike today�s politicians, Anna wouldn�t have needed any speech writers, to artificially embellish his thoughts and message. In some instances, one can notice glimpses of Anna�s touch on alliteration [�It is to bring home that point of view that I have taken this trouble of taxing your patience.�]. Check this too: �Correct us if we are erroneous. Convince us if you have got solid facts. Convert us to your point of view. Instead of that you are compelling us.� Given an occasion, Anna also could deliver stinging barbs to his detractors. An example: �I do not mean that Dr. C.P. Ramaswamy Aiyar should come to the jail to meet us. He has had experience of putting others in jail and not going to jail to meet us.�
Hardgrave, R.L.: The DMK and the politics of Tamil Nationalism. Pacific Affairs, winter 1964-1965; 37(4): 396-411.
Kannadasan Kavithaikal, vol.5, 3rd ed. 1975, Vanathi Pathipagam, Chennai. Poem number 33. pp. 117-124.
Karunanidhi Kalaignar: Nenjukku Neethi (autobiography), vol.1, Thirumagal Nilayam, Chennai, 2nd ed. 1985, p. 464.
Ramachandran, S (ed): Anna Speaks at the Rajya Sabha 1962-66. Orient Longman, Bombay, 1975, pp. 31-44.
[delivered by Anna at Rajya Sabha, in December 1963]
Introductory Note by the Editor S.Ramachandran
The Chinese Aggression in October 1962 created national consciousness and national solidarity in India of a kind unknown in the country�s history. A separatist party like the DMK went all out to support the country in her war efforts. Its leader made a clarion call: ��enter the name DMK in the roll call of honour for the integrity and safety of the country�. Nevertheless, there was a section of opinion in the country which felt that it was necessary to take action to safeguard the country against any fissiparous tendencies raising their heads in the future. A National Integration Committee with Sir C.P. Ramaswami Aiyer as chairman was appointed to make recommendations on the steps to be taken to deal with the tendencies for separation. On the recommendations of this Committee, the Constitution (16th amendment bill, 1963) was tabled by the Minister of Law, Thiru A.K.Sen. Its avowed purpose was to amend article 19 of the Constitution in order to give parliament the necessary powers to enact laws, to restrict certain rights guaranteed under that article. Its real objective was to make any party pleading for secession, ineligible to contest the elections.
The Minister of Law said that it sought to meet the �forces of disintegration� which threatened the solidarity, unity and sovereignty of the country. Anna sees the Bill as a subversive attempt to abridge fundamental rights. In the highest traditions of liberalism he stands up for the right to present his views to the people. The speech underlines the danger of suppressing genuine discontent by the forces of law. The Bill, he argues, was undemocratic even at the inception. Again, sovereignty does not reside entirely in one particular place in a federal structure. In a country like India where diversities and regional disparities are pronounced and the working of the Federal Structure has created frustration there is no harm in a demand for review and reappraisal of the Constitution.
He warns the other opposition parties of the dangers inherent in allowing the ruling party to restrain freedom of speech and expression and to abridge the fundamental rights. It is a passionate plea for democracy and freedom. Anna requests the government �not to establish silence by coercion or force but to establish concord by talking the language of the heart.�
Anna�s Speech
Madam Deputy Chairman, it is perhaps a painful paradox that we are today discussing the amendment of the Constitution to give the government a new legal weapon to put down not an antagonist but a protagonist of a cause and that too immediately after expressing our desire and willingness to meet the Chinese aggressor round a table for negotiation. I have been listening with more than extraordinary interest to the remarks made from both sides of the House.
Let me, at the outset, as a sponsor of the idea which you seek now to put down by legal repression, give an analysis of the demand and its history, not, of course, to reiterate my point of view but just to dispel some of the misinterpretations that have been made of that demand.
One Hon. Member was saying that the demand for Dravidastan was based on what Phizo demanded. The truth is far from it. Another member has stated here that such fissiparous tendencies arose after the advent of independence. That is coming very near the truth but not the truth itself.
The DMK is an offshoot of the DK. The DK has been in existence long before independence and while there were wranglings, problems and policies as to the future political setup, the DK, in which I was at the time acting general secretary, presented a political formula for the South. It is only a corollary to that that the DMK is enunciating.
Therefore, this has nothing to do with the acts of commission or omission of the ruling party. It has nothing to do with similar or more ferocious demands in any other part of the country. I would request members of this House, to at least analyse the problem before they pounce upon the problem itself.
Secondly, I want to point out that so soon after expressing our willingness to meet an aggressor should you not try, as members of this great nation, to understand us before you try to ban the very propaganda itself? Are we so debased that we should be treated as untouchables in the political arena? Is not our demand serious that you should try to convince us, convert the people?
Are we not amenable to reason? Have you attempted that? That is my humble submission to this House. Irrespective of party affiliations I am requesting every one of the Members of this House to bestow their serious thoughts to this aspect � whether we have been consulted, whether the ruling party has taken some trouble to analyse our problem. I am mentioning the word �ruling party� because most of the opposition parties have tried to analyse it. This morning one Hon. Member was saying that the Communist Party was allied with us in this. To the honour of the Communist Party I may say that when we approached them asking them to accept our principle, they had the guts to say that they would not. But electoral alliances or electoral adjustments have got nothing to do with ideologies and therefore when we approached the Communist Party and other parties we wee not acting in accordance with ideologies, but only with a view to getting political alliances. It may be of interest to this House to know that even now. This very day, the Madras Congress and the DMK in Madras have come to an agreement over the mayoral election. Therefore political adjustment is one thing, electoral alliance is entirely another thing and ideology is different.
An electoral alliance does not mean the surrendering of one�s ideology. The Madras Congress is strong enough to uphold its ideology and the chief minister of Madras is very strong in his conviction about the Congress ideology. I do not want the Chief Minister of Madras or the Madras Congress to be misconstrued in our debates. I am saying this just to point out there can be electoral alliances without surrendering one�s ideology. But I am pleading for an understanding of the ideology; I am pleading for an analysis.
Now, this Bill is brought forward to safeguard and maintain the sovereignty and integrity of India. What the danger is to that sovereignty I do not know, and I have not been told. Perhaps the Law Minister � I am sure that he is engaged in drafting a new law and that is why he is not to be found in the House � if he were here, would turn round and say:
�Know you not that there are fissiparous tendencies in this country? Know you not that we have constituted a National Integration Committee for this very purpose? Know you not that we are acting in strict accordance with the suggestions of the National Integration Committee?�
I am perfectly aware of the constitution, Madam Deputy Chairman, of the National Integration Committee under the able leadership of Dr. C.P. Ramaswami Aiyar, a sturdy champion of India�s sovereignty and integrity, so sturdy indeed that as Diwan of Travancore he announced the independence of Travancore and proclaimed a pact with Pakistan.
Today fortunately for the Congress he is a non-aligned power and you have taken him as the Chairman of the Committee. Let me request members of this House to analyse how this Committee functions. It was charged with a mission to find out how best to attain national integration, not merely to put down propaganda for secession. It was given the mission to find out how best to forge national integration. What are its constructive suggestions? What are its constructive proposals barring the penal provision that they want to get from out of the National Integration Committee�s deliberations?
The National Integration Committee, Madam Deputy Chairman, toured all over India and had the courtesy of course to go to our state. It interviewed men of various political persuasions but were not able to meet members of the DMK because by that time the State Government of Madras had assigned to us apartments in the Vellore Central Jail. That is the reason advanced by the National Integration Committee for not meeting us but at that time, if the National Integration Committee was interested in knowing our point of view, if they wanted to have contact with us, the organizing secretary of the party, Mr. N.V.Natarajan was outside the jail; Mr Manoharan, MP was outside; Mr Raja Ram was outside. They could have got hold of any one of these people.
I do not mean that Dr. C.P. Ramaswamy Aiyar should come to the jail to meet us. He has had experience of putting others in jail and not going to jail himself. So I do not expect him to come all the way to jail to meet us. We are very small men. I do not want such a show of generosity from a Committee manned by such stalwarts, but they could have taken the trouble to get into contact with some people who were outside. Did they take that trouble?
I would request every member of this House to forget for a moment the fierceness of our demand. Forget for a moment the dangerous consequences but please answer me. I need no words; a slight smile, a happy twinkle, a friendly nod is enough. Is it not common courtesy and democratic decency that the Committee should have got into contact with the members of our party? No, they did not do that.
But they have given a statement and in the Statement of Objects and Reasons of the present Bill it is said that they are strictly following what the National Integration Committee has suggested. Therefore the genesis of the Bill is most undemocratic. It is to bring home that point of view that I have taken this trouble of taxing your patience.
Now, I will come to another point. The demand for Dravidastan has been erroneously said to be dangerous and many of the leading lights of the ruling party have been saying even months ago or weeks ago that they do not understand what we demand. They do not understand and yet they understand that it is a potential danger. How it is rational or logical or even political, I do not understand.
It was in this House or in the other House � I do not exactly remember � that the Home Minister was saying some months ago that all propaganda for secession will be put down when it goes out of bounds, when its dimension grows to a certain extent. Nobody sought any clarification because it was thought that any propaganda for secession will be put down if it leads to any overt act, if it leads to crossing the bounds of legality. That was stated by the Home Minister some months ago.
What has happened in the intervening period? Have we become skull-hunters or head-hunters? Did we indulge in any extra-legal activities? No. On the other hand, as soon as the Chinese aggression took place we offered our unstinted and spontaneous cooperation to the war effort.
I am very glad now that the Law Minister is not here, because when the very same point was mentioned by the leader of our group in the other House, the Law Minister stood up, not with a smile but with a stern face and waving his hands majestically stated that it was all due to the Defence of India Act. The Law Minister is entitled to uphold the potency of law especially when he is the parent of it but in his anxiety to uphold the potency of law he has banished from his mind common courtesy. I do not expect the Law Minister to give any commendation to the DMK.
We have the people�s approbation in plenty and it cannot be strengthened by any commendation from the Law Minister. I may mention here another fact. In his anxiety to uphold the potency of law, he has minimized one other salient fact. The present unity of purpose, the national upsurge is entirely due to the ability and nobility of thought of the Prime Minister of India. That is more potent than laws. Laws are after all corrective and preventive. The law says, do not do this, do not do that.
That is not as effective as the mighty influence that the Prime Minister exerts over the minds of millions irrespective of party affiliations. In his anxiety to uphold the law, I do not know why the Law Minister should minimize the influence that the Prime Minister exerts.
He could have at least stated that the cooperative spirit today to be found in this country is due to the magnetic personality and the democratic liberalism of Pandit Jawaharlal Nehru. I do not know what happens inside the Cabinet. If the Law Minister�s statement were read by an outsider, what impression would that create? That everyone will become so anti-national, anti-patriotic, that there will be trouble. I would request the Law Minister to have a sense of proportion when he makes assertions.
Apart from that, the Defence of India Act is not and cannot be the conscience-keeper of the nation. It can only be the jail-keeper of the nation.
Therefore, if the DMK has come forward to offer its unstinted support to the war effort, I do not expect a good conduct certificate from the Government for that. I do not want reciprocity. I am pointing this out to ask if you do not find a natural instinct, a spontaneous upsurge coming up in our minds. Should you not allow this instinct to have a natural growth? And is this measure a sort of manure? It is a damper and an irritant. Why not allow this natural instinct and this spontaneous upsurge to have its full shape, to have its full blossom, to have its full force? What is the urgency behind this measure? Why are you so hasty? That is the point. And to bring home that point I was pointing out our support to the war effort.
As I said, we are very small men, but we happen to represent 3.4 million voters in our country as against the five million voters who made the Congress the ruling party in Madras. I hope I need not argue very much about the difference between five and three. I assure this House that if you do not put dampers on our progress, I assure this House that if you do not bring in legal repressions, we are the next ruling party in Madras. And the central Cabinet Minister, the Hon. C. Subramaniam, issued almost an invitation in his Coimbatore speech. He said: �Give up separation, I would welcome you to form a Ministry.� It is to such a party that you are denying the common courtesy, the democratic decency, by not giving us an opportunity to place our point of view before the National Integration Committee or even taking us into confidence.
The leader of the Communist Party, my esteemed friend Mr Bhupesh Gupta, has been kind enough to put forward a suggestion. He said: �Why don�t all the democratic forces and the nationalist forces unite together to counteract them?� I welcome that. I would like to see whether the people accept my point of view or your point of view. Why should you run away from that chivalrous contest? I would even request Mr Bhupesh Gupta to consider whether it is not more politic to consider converting us before counteracting.
Bhupesh Gupta: That is what I said. I will try.
I am very thankful to Mr. Bhupesh Gupta. Either his method of converting us is not effective or it has not been as intense as he desires. But I would request this House to suggest to the Government that a Consultative Committee be formed with members of all political parties to come and have discussions. Correct us if we are erroneous. Convince us if you have got solid facts. Convert us to your point of view. Instead of that you are compelling us. Compulsion, especially through law � I need not say it in a House where there are so many luminaries in the legal profession � is the worst form of argument. When there are two ideas contesting in the competitive market of public opinion, if you debar one idea with legal force you are shirking that contest. And what was the statement being issued by members of the Congress Party in our state right up to the Tiruchengode by-election? They were saying this and it was repeated in this House also.
One member, my friend Mr Bhupesh Gupta, stated that I am a solitary single figure. Another member stated that we have no hold in Kerala, in Karnataka, in Andhra. I do not claim to have converted or even to have got hold of an appreciable dimension of support in those sister states. I never claimed that. My only point is that when I am making this point it would be felt by those territories, by those linguistic states. I never claimed that what I think is being thought at Waltair or Hyderabad or at Mysore or in Trivandrum. I never said that. As a matter of fact, I have not gone to these places. I have not addressed any meeting in Hyderabad. I have not gone to Mysore to speak. And why don�t you allow me to go there, why don�t you come along with me? I would even make a sporting offer. Let there be a Consultative Committee of all the parties and let us all tour the country to find out what the country needs. Convince me and then say that my demand is unthinkable. But do not bring this measure and then say what are you going to do with this measure?
My friend Mr Bhupesh Gupta was saying that we may go underground. Now, we always remain on the ground. We propose not to go underground. But surely the sullen discontent will go underground.
Bhupesh Gupta: That is what I said.
The sullen discontent will go underground, and that cannot be countenanced by any measure. Political philosophy has not yet formulated a measure to fight out hidden discontent in the minds of millions. And, therefore, by this measure you are driving discontent, sullen discontent, sincere discontent, underground.
There is another point that I want to make. Why do you think that our demand endangers sovereignty? Before answering that we should be very clear about what we mean by sovereignty. The preamble to the Constitution says that the political sovereignty rests with the people. Then legal sovereignty is divided between the Federal Union and the constitutent units. Why don�t you take it that our scheme is to make the states still more effective sovereign units? Why don�t you take it in that light? Why do you think that the moment we demand Dravidastan, we are cutting at the root of sovereignty? Sovereignty does not reside entirely in one particular place. We have a federal structure.
That is why the framers of the Constitution wanted a federal structure and not a unitary structure, because as many political philosophers have pointed out, India is so vast � in fact it has been described as a subcontinent � the mental health is so varied, the traditions so different, the history so varied, that there cannot be a steel frame unitary structure here. My complaint is � and it has been endorsed by the PSP member Mr Gurupada Swamy and others � that the working of the federal structure all these thirteen years has created a sense of frustration in the minds of the states. They feel they may not side with me, that the states are fast becoming dole-getting corporations. They feel that they are relegated to the background, and there is the very natural instinct in them that they should be given more power.
When coupled with that there is the regional disparity and added to that is the linguistic tangle. Do you not think, that it is very natural for men like us to feel disillusioned, and that it is not very unnatural that we should think of separation? Well, come to us half way and say we go so far and no further. But when you say that, when you meet us halfway, give us proper answers to the puzzles that are created not by us but by the working of the Constitution to the detriment of the states. Did not the West Bengal government and the Union government have to go before the Supreme Court on the issue of the coal mines? The Law Minister happens to come from West Bengal. Are the Bengalis fully satisfied? Constitutionalists as they are, they have to abide by the Supreme Court decision, and if my friend, Mr Bhupesh Gupta, were not of Communist persuasion, he would perhaps be the first to champion the cause of West Bengal. I bow my head to the national instinct of the Bengalis.
Bhupesh Gupta: I did champion it here.
Dr. B.C. Roy: I knew it.
I am very sorry you have lost the battle. What I want to say is that the working of the federal structure is in such a way that the states are feeling more and more frustrated, and their demand is to make the Union Government think that there should be a review of the Constitution, a reappraisal of the Constitution. And in that I am supported by a very presentable personality, a personality who can, when he wants, get out and get into the Cabinet. I am referring to the Hon. Mr. T.T. Krishnamachari, Minister of Economic and Defence Coordination. On September 8, 1962, delivering an address in one of the institutions in New Delhi I memory of a great soul, the late lamented Feroze Gandhi, he has stated that as framers of the Constitution they have failed to incorporate a provision for a decennial review of the Constitution. Not only that, he said that public opinion should assert itself for that. Well, why do you take me as a Naga? Take me as a guardian of public opinion and come along with me to the states and find out the opinion of the people in the states.
Well I do not think that I want to place any difficulty or trouble in the way of any member of the ruling party, but without mentioning names I may say that many of the members of the ruling party in Madras may swear by the sovereignty and integrity of India, but whenever they find one of their proposals not taken up, whenever they find that they are not allotted the amount they need, they think about me. (Interruption). That is why Annadurai is demanding support. Deny me a steel plant in Salem, I rise up there. Deny Tuticorin its development, the DMK comes in. Therefore, you should take the DMK as the spearhead of the opposition to the unitary nature of the federal structure of this Constitution. As elder members of parliament, why should you take this into the jungle? Lift it up to the highest political arena and allow it free play; make the federation become a real federation.
Then some of the members may turn around and tell me, �You are taking about separation�. Mr. Bhupesh Gupta was saying that it was unthinkable. Even if others are not aware of it, Mr. Bhupesh Gupta should be aware of the Soviet Constitution. It allows the prerogative of separation and yet they are not raising a hue and cry that their sovereignty is in danger. (Interruption) Mr. Bhupesh Gupta seems to take the bad out of the Soviet Union and not the good out of it. I would request him and persuade him to see that the very mention of separation is not a danger to sovereignty. Not only that, even granting that our propaganda for separation endangers sovereignty, what should a democratic party that controls the Government try to do? Should it not go to the people? Does not our preamble say that sovereignty rests with the people? It is the people who have created the Constitution. It is to them, the repositories of our political rights, that you should appeal.
I go to the people with confidence. I would request members of the ruling party to assure your Government about your capacity, about your ability to counteract me by educating the public. Why do you give up your rights? You as members of the ruling Party and as responsible public men should suggest to the Government, �Do not intervene between us and the public. If Annadurai carries on a propaganda for separation, we are alive to that danger. We shall meet the people and make the people understand the venomousness of the propaganda.�
May I request members of this House to give an amount of respect to the common man as a democrat? Do not think that the common man can be deluded by anybody. He may not be well versed especially in law but he has got a sound and robust common sense. He knows how to distinguish between cheese and chalk, and when you bring in this measure, you are passing a vote of no-confidence against the common sense of the entire nation. Why not leave the issue to the people? Let them decide. Do not think that I along with a handful of people in the party can delude the people or mislead them. The Law Minister in the other House gave an argument which I can only say would please teenagers.
So long as sovereignty rests with the people, they should be the proper authority to decide upon issues. Since the federal structure has been to a certain extent debased and taken into the unitary structure, the demand for separation can be viewed in consonance with the discontent of the other states. I was pressing that point that even granting that our propaganda is dangerous, the members of the ruling party should try to counteract us. And even granting that they are relinguishing their right, I would request the members of the House to consider whether, to counteract that propaganda, curtailment of the fundamental rights is necessary. I would ask the House to consider that point. Of course, I am conscious and perfectly aware that fundamental rights are not absolute and that there are limitations.
Parliament has got every right to restrict them. These are the elementary principles. One need not take much trouble to understand them. But some trouble should be taken to understand that the emphasis should be on the rights and not on the limitations and that is why in our Constitution it is stated in very clear terms, that the restrictions ought to be reasonable. My honest submission is that the restrictions are not reasonable, not reasonable in the sense that firstly, you have not analysed the problem; secondly, you have not tried to understand us; thirdly, you have not given us alternatives and fourthly, you have not taken the people into your confidence. It may not be in the legal sense, but in the political sense the restrictions that you have placed are not reasonable.
And coming to the fundamental rights, I was saying that the Law Minister was giving a very funny argument in the other House. He said that if fundamental rights were to be allowed to have their full sway, some people might use those fundamental rights to invite the Chinese themselves. What I want to point out is, why should the Law Minister or, for that matter, any member discount the ability of the public to judge things for themselves? Would the public countenance anybody getting on the platform and saying, �We welcome the Chinese?� No. Our people may not be well-versed in the sections and in the chapters of the Constitution but they know how to differentiate between good and evil. And that is why in spite of so much enslavement by a powerful imperial power, the people were ready to come forward when there was a call for fighting for freedom. Don�t minimize your abiding faith and confidence in the public.
And as regards the fundamental rights, the argument presented by the Law Minister in the other House, as I have said, is far removed from not only truth but also from all seriousness. But, as I said, limitations can be placed and Parliament is empowered to place limitations. But all these limitations should be in consonance with the extraordinary circumstances warranting such limitations. I argue, I submit that there have not been any extraordinary circumstances warranting such a limitation. In fact, in the Motilal Nehru Committee, I think in the year 1928 Pandit Jawharlal Nehru has stated very clearly that we should not only get out fundamental rights but guarantee to the people that those rights will not be withdrawn under any circumstances. Note these words, Madam Deputy Chairman, and through you, I would request members of this House also to mark all these words: �under any circumstances�, we may have grown weaker since, I can understand it.
But has an extraordinary circumstance arisen to warrant these restrictions? No, and arguments have been put forward that circumstances may arise, that the DMK might not have crossed the legal bounds but yet the tendency to creat mischief is there, the tendency to create danger is there and we should put down with an iron hand even that tendency. I do not think that I have time enough to talk about the place of the phrase �tendency� in the legal field and jurisprudence known to the legal hierarchy. But I would say this that one of our best legal luminaries, Mr Justice Patanjali Sastry, has stated that it is better to allow certain noxious branches to have a luxurious growth rather than to attempt to cut off and sap the vitality of the plant. That is one of the judicial pronouncements about fundamental rights and its limitations.
And in America there are many Supreme Court judgements. Of course, we are not bound by them but they point to the liberality of thought that can be found in democratic countries. At one time, in one of the states, New York I think, when a new law was brought in that those who wanted to become teachers should take an oath there that they would be loyal to the Constitution and that they would be loyal to the political institutions, the Governor of New York stated that such an abridgement of the fundamental rights was unnecessary and vetoed it. I think that we should follow or at least try to shape our thoughts according to the liberal traditions built up in other democratic countries.
If, instead of that, you say, �Well, we have the power to annihilate, annihilate any opposition party, today the DMK, tomorrow the Communist Party, the day after the Jana Sangh,� you have got that power, well carry on. But remember where any government depending for its solidarity and supremacy only on legal repression went. And what the result would be, I need not remind you. Even today, we found on this side of the House, Mr Bhupesh Gupta wanted not only the DMK to be countered but the Jana Sangh to be counteracted because to him the Jana Sangh is a communal party. And the PSP has stated that the Communist Party is more dangerous than the DMK, so we come in handy.
If you allow the ruling party to get into the temptation to restrain or restrict freedom of speech and expression, it may be aimed at the DMK today, but what gurantee is there that it may not be aimed at other parties tomorrow? For that the ruling party need not argue. We argue outselves. The PSP argues for restricting the Communists; the Communists argue for restricting the Jana Sangh. The more the merrier for the ruling party. Therefore I would request members of this House to look at this problem as a problem of restriction of fundamental rights. Let the members of the ruling party at least say that they can stoutly oppose us in our propaganda; let them come forward at least to convince me and on that ground, if they can, let them oppose this Bill in toto. Because my friend, Mr Bhupesh Gupta, has said that he is accepting it in principle. Another friend of mine, Mr Gurupada Swamy, has said that he is accepting it as an overall objective, which means that they realize the consequences of such restrictions. I would request them to take into consideration the consequences of such a law rather than the party at which it is aimed. It has been stated, Madam Deputy Chairman, that freedom of expression and thought should not be restricted in a democratic society if members of the ruling party are confident not only about themselves but about the people.
�One of the most important purposes of society and government is the discovery and spread of truth on subjects of vital concern. This is possible only through absolutely unlimited discussion�� As Bagehot points out, ��once force is thrown into the argument, it becomes a matter of chance whether it is thrown on the false side or the true, and truth loses all natural advantages in the contest.� I would request the Government not to establish silence by coercion or force but to establish concord by talking in the language of the heart. I therefore appeal to the members of the ruling party to stand by the fundamental rights, and to maintain your right to educate the public, instead of bringing in a legislation which is in the nature of a penal provision to put down all thought and all expression of dissent or difference.
My point, Madam Deputy Chairman, is this: I appeal to the members of the ruling party to suggest to their government that a measure of this sort is unnecessary, is undemocratic, and it cuts at the very roots of fundamental rights. I am not referring to the fundamental rights in the Constitution, but to the fundamental rights of Congressmen. They are not made a party to this issue. They are asked to stand aside. The measure says, �Annadurai should be counteracted. You have failed in that. Let me come in.� This sort of passing a vote of no-confidence against the ability and capacity of the Congressmen of Madras, for whom I have the greatest respect. You seem to minimize their importance. That is my trouble. You seem to feel that they are incapable of counteracting this. This is the tragic situation, and therefore it is that I would request the members of the ruling party to suggest to the Government, �Here we are, stalwarts, to fight any fissiparous tendencies. Leave us to look after Annadurai, such a small, puny figure. A mere look, an emphatic word, is enough to scotch that fellow.�
Say that to your party, to your Government, and withdraw this Bill because it means not only now but for all time to come, it will be said that a situation arose in India wherein the Government of India had to bring forward an amendment to the Constitution to counteract a small group or, to borrow a phrase from my friend Mr Bhupesh Gupta, to counteract a single solitary man. I would say this, that the Bill is aimed at not only the DMK but at others also. My point is, I am concerned with the party to which I belong.
If there are other representatives who may be talking equally in this way or if there are representatives of this ideal who have submerged that ideal for their selfish ends, I am not concerned with them. My point is to present the point of view of the DMK; it may be aimed at others also. But if you look at the dailies, weeklies and if you go to hear speeches from political platforms, they will be pointing out only the despicable DMK, not others.
Finally, I would appeal to the sponsor of this motion to drop it in the name of democracy, in the name of political decency, in the name of having abiding faith in the ability of the people to eschew evil. And if he is not able to free himself from the temptation completely, let me at least request him to defer consideration of this measure till the period of stresses and strains is over; controversies should be kept in the background. And if the sponsor of the measure is not able to comply even with that request, Madam Deputy Chairman, please allow me to register my protest against the ruling party�s methods, moves and measures.