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By vakattny, March 28, 2013 in Contract Award Process
Ignoring whether or not agency should have used this vehicle, agency establishes multiple IDIQ contracts with FSS holders under FAR Subpart 8.4. The award of IDIQ contracts would seem to bring FAR Subpart 16.5 into play. Agency then issues a request for quotations by issuing a solicitation to all the IDIQ holders. While it seems clear that a procurement under FAR Subpart 8.4 does not involve the use of competitive proposals (see Millennium Space Systems, Inc., B-406771, August 17, 2012, 2012 CPD ¶ 237), it appears unsettled whether the use of an IDIQ contract vehicle transform the procurement from one involving other competitive procedures to one making the use of competitive proposals. The FAR generally links competitive proposals language directly to FAR Part 15 (see FAR 6.102( B ), but a nexus is created in FAR 16.505( B )(4) wherein is mandated that FAR 15.506 procedures be followed for postaward debriefings.
Ignoring whether or not agency should have used this vehicle, agency establishes multiple IDIQ contracts with FSS holders under FAR Subpart 8.4.
That's not clear. Did the agency establish IDIQ contracts of its own or did it place orders against GSA FSS IDIQ contracts? Did the agency establish IDIQ contracts or did it issue orders under GSA FSS IDIQ contracts?
The award of IDIQ contracts would seem to bring FAR Subpart 16.5 into play.
Are you suggesting that FAR Subpart 16.5 applies to GSA FSS IDIQ contracts? If you are, see FAR 16.500( c).
While it seems clear that a procurement under FAR Subpart 8.4 does not involve the use of competitive proposals (see Millennium Space Systems, Inc., B-406771, August 17, 2012, 2012 CPD ¶ 237), it appears unsettled whether the use of an IDIQ contract vehicle transform the procurement from one involving other competitive procedures to one making the use of competitive proposals. The FAR generally links competitive proposals language directly to FAR Part 15 (see FAR 6.102( B ), but a nexus is created in FAR 16.505( B )(4) wherein is mandated that FAR 15.506 procedures be followed for postaward debriefings.
That's gobbledegook. I have no idea what you mean. Please revise to be more clear. Check your terminology.
Unclear. Look:
Orders placed against GSA FSS IDIQ contracts are subject to FAR Subpart 8.4, not FAR Subpart 16.5
Orders placed against other IDIQ contracts are subject to FAR Subpart 16.5, not FAR Subpart 8.4.
Neither is subject to FAR Part 15. Neither is competitive proposals contracting.
Musing I would offer even FAR part 8.4 is not applicable. As napolik has pointed out an IDIQ is not an order type allowed under FSS. vakattny is now swimming in the possible waters of an unauthorized commitment that needs to be fixed before one needs to worry about whether the competitions under the unauthorized orders are competitive or not.
Following along the lines of Vern's post while the agency in vakattny's post did attempt to do something under FAR 8.4 then FAR 8.4 is applicable, and as such the placement of subsequent orders under the presumed IDIQ's are not competitive proposals.
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