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need for a dependant visa for UK born child
Post by vinny » Tue Jul 01, 2008 11:48 pm
If your non-Brirish child (A277, A280(b), 304-309) is not travelling, then you do not need to make an immigration application for leave to remain for her/him (Section 4a - Children born in the United Kingdom who are not British Citizens).
See also Dependants and former dependants > 8. Children born in the UK
Children born in the UK, who are not British, are not illegal entrants because they have not entered unlawfully (35-50). If they have not applied for leave to enter/remain in the UK, then they are not overstayers nor in breach of immigration laws or conditions of leave because they do not have any conditions to breach; in principle, therefore, they may remain in the UK indefinitely!
You may wait and include her/him in your extension or settlement (except under long residence) applications; child may also apply under A277, A280(b), 304-309; OR immediately after a parent is granted settlement/PR, their child is entitled to register for British citizenship (Section 1(3)), irrespective of child's immigration status.
However, a child with leave may become an overstayer, with associated problems.
Applicants, aged 10 or over, who are registering for British citizenship, are subject to the Good Character requirements.
Update: immigration Health surcharge. An alternative is to get adequate health insurance cover for child?
Else, if s/he is travelling, then see also New Born Baby - VISA stamping.
See also Birth to five.
Last edited by vinny on Wed Mar 21, 2012 9:38 pm, edited 37 times in total.
Re: need for a dependant visa for UK born child
Post by vinny » Fri Mar 03, 2017 9:12 pm
Chapter 8: family members transitional arrangements wrote: 12.5. Applications for leave to enter or remain as a child who is born in the UK but is not a British Citizen, or for indefinite leave to enter or remain as an adopted child or as a child being admitted for the purpose of adoption, remain subject to paragraphs 304 to 313 of Part 8 of the Immigration Rules, regardless of the date of application.
This guidance is owned by the Family Policy Team.
Any queries should be directed to FamilyOpsPolicy@homeoffice.gsi.gov.uk
Statement of changes to the Immigration Rules: HC535, 29 October 2015 wrote: Changes to Part 8
8.1 In paragraph A280(b), in the table, in the entry for paragraphs 297-300 in the column headed “Additional requirement”, for “None” substitute: “Where the applicant falls under paragraph 297, the applicant must not fall for refusal under paragraph S-EC.1.9. of Appendix FM in respect of a parent of the applicant. For these purposes, “a parent of the applicant” is to be construed as including “a relative of the applicant” under paragraph 297.”.
8.2 In paragraph A280(b), in the table, in the entry for paragraphs 304-309 in the column headed “Additional requirement”, for “None” substitute: “Where the applicant falls under paragraph 305, the applicant must not fall for refusal under paragraph S-EC.1.9. of Appendix FM in respect of a parent of the applicant.”.
Statement of changes to the Immigration Rules: HC535, 29 October 2015 wrote: Changes to Appendix FM
FM1. In paragraph S-EC.1.1. for “1.8.” substitute “1.9.”.
FM2. After paragraph S-EC.1.8. insert:
“S-EC.1.9. The Secretary of State considers that the applicant’s parent or parent’s partner poses a risk to the applicant. That person may be considered to pose a risk to the applicant if, for example, they –
(c) are required to comply with a sexual risk order made under the Anti-Social Behaviour, Crime and Policing Act 2014 and have failed to do so.”.
Statement of changes to the Immigration Rules: HC535, 29 October 2015 wrote: EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO
THE STATEMENT OF CHANGES IN IMMIGRATION RULES PRESENTED TO PARLIAMENT ON 29 OCTOBER 2015 (HC 535)
4.14. The changes to Part 8 and Appendix FM set out in paragraphs 8.1 to 8.2 and FM1 to FM8 of this statement shall take effect from 19 November 2015 and apply to all applications decided on or after that date regardless of the date of application.
Post by vinny » Sun Apr 02, 2017 12:13 am
Transitional provisions and interaction between Part 8, Appendix FM and Appendix FM-SE wrote: A277 From 9 July 2012 Appendix FM will apply to all applications to which Part 8 of these rules applied on or before 8 July 2012 except where the provisions of Part 8 are preserved and continue to apply, as set out in paragraphs A280 to A280B.
Let "family member of a Relevant PBS migrant" = "fm-PBS"
IMHO, A277A and A277B cannot exclude a fm-PBS from being subject to Part 8 in general, because the rules for fm-PBS are also contained in Part 8. Therefore, it follows that fm-PBSs are only excluded from A277A and A277B themselves. That is, only A277A and A277B are not applicable to fm-PBSs. A277C does not exclude fm-PBSs.
If A277A and A277B and A277C are sub paragraphs of A277, then there exists at least one sub paragraph, A277C, where fm-PBSs are not excluded. However,
A277C. wrote: Subject to paragraphs A277 to A280B,
implies A277C is not a sub paragraph of A277? Else, A277 may be subject to A277C and not the other way round. Therefore, neither A277A nor A277B are sub paragraphs of A277.
Therefore, in both cases where A277A and A277B are or are not sub paragraphs of A277, fm-PBSs are not excluded from A277.
Hence, in particular, there appears to be nothing to suggest that an eligible fm-PBS is excluded from A277, A280(b) and 304-309. There may be multiple applicable rules.
If I'm wrong in the above analysis, then who born in the UK would be subject to A277, A280(b) and 304-309?