Model is not uncensored

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by unalignedman - opened

This (and all previous dolphin mistral models) claim to be uncensored, however it fails the most basic meth test:

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While mistral-instruct has this issue, raw mistral doesn't, so the dataset doesn't seem to have alignment and biases entirely removed

Cognitive Computations org

You don't understand what uncensored means. (You should read my blog)

It means there's no refusals in the instruct dataset.

But the underlying base model has it's own bias and inherent beliefs that I can't "undo"

I'm "not training it to be censored"
I'm not "training it to be uncensored"

To do the latter would require giving the model lots of examples of answering questions unethically - a step I am unwilling to take.

If you want to train a model with explicitly unethical data, feel free. I will not do that.

In the mean time you will have to enable your use cases through creative prompt engineering. The system prompt gives you a lot of influence over it.

I read your blog and I really like it. What I'm talking about is the fact that the completion version Mistral 7B does not refuse to complete anything. The instruct version does, now that I think about it, was this tuned from instruct or the base model?

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@ehartford "If you want to train a model with explicitly unethical data, feel free. " < - many fail to understand this is just how it works. Everyone is free to do their own training from scratch if they dont like limitations in the base models. I see this in other areas too, people like you that are doing the community a great service get blamed for the base models ( or in the case of conversions, even issues with the refined models they are blamed for ). Frustrating, even from an outsider like myself.

And many of us do appreciate what you ( and others ) do for us that dont have the GPU resources to do it ourselves.

@Nurb432 just to be clear, I'm not blaming anyone for anything, I'm just curious. I'm fairly new to this and am genuinely wondering how it works

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@unalignedman that is good, its hard in text sometimes to infer intent :)

Cognitive Computations org

Fair enough :-)

Cognitive Computations org

I read your blog and I really like it. What I'm talking about is the fact that the completion version Mistral 7B does not refuse to complete anything. The instruct version does, now that I think about it, was this tuned from instruct or the base model?

I actually tried tuning on the instruct model and I didn't like how it turned out. So I retrained from the base model instead.

Just playing with big toys :D

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