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              Commonwealth of Kentucky
                    Court of Appeals

                       NO. 2018-CA-0142-MR

JULIE LOCKE                                          APPELLANT

              APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
v.              HONORABLE DENISE BROWN, JUDGE
                      ACTION NO. 13-CI-500046

MATTHEW SALLEE AND NICOLE
COOK                                                 APPELLEES

AND

                       NO. 2018-CA-0257-MR

JULIE LOCKE                                          APPELLANT

              APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
v.              HONORABLE DENISE BROWN, JUDGE
                      ACTION NO. 13-CI-500046

MATTHEW SALLEE                                        APPELLEE

AND
                      NO. 2018-CA-0500-MR

JULIE LOCKE                                         APPELLANT

              APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
v.              HONORABLE DENISE BROWN, JUDGE
                      ACTION NO. 13-CI-500046

MATTHEW SALLEE                                       APPELLEE

AND

                      NO. 2018-CA-0501-MR

JULIE LOCKE                                         APPELLANT

              APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
v.              HONORABLE DENISE BROWN, JUDGE
                      ACTION NO. 13-CI-500046

MATTHEW SALLEE                                       APPELLEE

AND

                      NO. 2018-CA-0782-MR

JULIE LOCKE                                         APPELLANT

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                   APPEAL FROM JEFFERSON CIRCUIT COURT
v.                   HONORABLE DENISE BROWN, JUDGE
                           ACTION NO. 13-CI-500046

MATTHEW SALLEE AND NICOLE
COOK                                                                               APPELLEES

                                          OPINION
                                         AFFIRMING

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BEFORE: JONES, MAZE, AND L. THOMPSON, JUDGES.

JONES, JUDGE: This consolidated appeal comes to us following a series of

orders entered by the Jefferson Family Court as part of an ongoing custody and

timesharing dispute between Matthew Sallee and Julie Locke, the parents of two

minor children, T.S. and L.S.1 In Appeal No. 2018-CA-0142, Julie appeals the

family court’s December 20, 2017 order finding her in contempt of court for

failing to abide by the family court’s prior parenting time orders as well as the

family court’s order regarding payment of the guardian ad litem (“GAL”) fee; Julie

also appeals the part of the order denying her motion for a video copy of the

children’s testimony from August 31, 2017.2 In Appeal No. 2018-CA-0257, Julie

1
  Although these appeals were filed in 2018, the parties engaged in rather protracted motion
practice before this Court resulting in the appeals being assigned as part of this panel’s August
2021 cases.
2
  Julie’s notice of appeal also states that she is appealing the family court’s January 25, 2018
order denying her Kentucky Rule of Civil Procedure (“CR”) 59.05 motion to alter, amend, or

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appeals the family court’s February 6, 2018 order sentencing Julie to thirty days

incarceration, discharged for two years on the condition that Julie comply with all

court ordered parenting time, following her failure to purge herself of the contempt

for violating the court’s prior parenting time orders. In Appeal No. 2018-CA-

0500, Julie appeals the family court’s February 27, 2018 order revoking her

conditional discharge and ordering her to be incarcerated for two days for her

continued violation of the parenting time orders. In Appeal No. 2018-CA-0501,

Julie appeals the March 8, 2018 order of the family court denying Julie’s motion to

be provided with a copy of the children’s in camera and sealed avowal testimony.

Finally, in appeal No. 2018-CA-0782, Julie appeals the family court’s denial of her

motion seeking to terminate Nicole Cook as the children’s GAL and its order

directing her to pay GAL Cook’s fees associated with collecting the past due

amounts from Julie. For the reasons set forth below, we affirm the Jefferson

Family Court’s orders in all respects.

                                        I. BACKGROUND

               Matthew and Julie were married in Louisville, Kentucky, on

December 30, 2004. They share two daughters together, T.S., born in 2004, and

vacate the December 20, 2017 order. The primary purpose of a CR 59.05 motion is to allow
parties to call errors of law and fact to the trial court’s attention prior to appeal. However, “there
is no appeal from the denial of a CR 59.05 motion. The denial does not alter the judgment.
Accordingly, the appeal is from the underlying judgment, not the denial of the CR 59.05
motion.” Ford v. Ford, 578 S.W.3d 356, 366 (Ky. App. 2019) (emphasis omitted).

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L.S., born in 2008. Matthew and Julie separated in January 2013, at which time

Julie filed a petition for dissolution of the marriage. As part of the dissolution, the

parties agreed to share joint legal custody of the children. They also agreed to a

rather detailed parenting plan, which delineated the time the children were to spend

with each parent, including schedules for vacations and holidays. On March 21,

2013, the family court entered a final decree of dissolution of marriage, which

incorporated the parties’ property settlement agreement, including their agreement

on custody and timesharing.

             Since entry of the decree, the parties have been in near constant

litigation regarding custody and timesharing of the two children. The record is

voluminous, consisting of eight bound volumes totaling over a thousand pages and

hundreds of additional pages of exhibits. We have painstakingly reviewed the

entire record. While the issues on appeal are specific to certain orders entered by

the family court in late 2017 and early 2018, it is necessary to understand the

parties’ history, as many of Julie’s arguments focus on prior events and orders.

             On or about September 28, 2014, the parties were at a local bowling

alley to celebrate L.S.’s birthday. Matthew and Julie began arguing about

timesharing in front of the children. Julie’s then-current husband asked Matthew

to leave. The argument spilled out into the parking lot where the parties continued

to argue in front of the children. Julie loaded the children into her van over

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Matthew’s objection. At some point during the altercation, Matthew threatened

Julie, forcibly opened the door of Julie’s vehicle, and then grabbed Julie by the arm

in an attempt to remove her from the vehicle. The next day, Matthew visited the

children’s school where Julie was employed as a counselor. Matthew had lunch

with L.S., but T.S. apparently did not want to see Matthew. Matthew located T.S.

who was soon joined by Julie. Matthew was persistent in his desire to speak to

T.S., but he eventually left the school after being asked to do so numerous times by

other school officials.

             The following day, September 29, 2014, Julie acting on behalf of

herself and the children, sought an emergency protective order (“EPO”) against

Matthew. The EPO was granted and a hearing was scheduled. Following the

hearing, the court granted Julie a DVO against Matthew; the DVO was not granted

with respect to the children since there was no showing that Matthew committed an

act of domestic abuse against them. However, Julie was temporarily awarded full

custody of the children, and Matthew’s parenting time was reduced such that he

was not permitted to have overnight visits with the children. Matthew was also

ordered to attend anger management therapy.

             Matthew complied with the court’s order. In December 2014,

Matthew moved the family court to appoint a GAL for the children and to restore

or expand his parenting time. The family court declined to restore Matthew’s

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parenting time but appointed Rexena Napier as a GAL for the children. Matthew

was ordered to pay all of GAL Napier’s fees.

                On June 15, 2015, Matthew again moved the family court to expand

his parenting time. In support of his motion, Matthew averred the following:

Child Protective Services (“CPS”) had completed an investigation and ultimately

did not substantiate any of the allegations;3 he had completed an individual

counseling assessment and had participated in counseling with T.S.; he had several

unsupervised visitations with the children without incident; and he was concerned

that a prolonged period of time with no overnight visits would cause an

insurmountable deterioration of his relationship with the children. Julie objected to

the motion. Following a hearing, the family court temporarily granted Matthew’s

motion allowing him overnight visits with the children as part of his mid-week and

weekend parenting time.4 (Record (“R.”) at 169.)

                In October 2015, a dispute arose between the parties regarding

payment of GAL Napier’s fee. In the course of adjudicating this dispute, the

family court acknowledged that it was clear from the record that the parties prior

agreement was that Matthew was to pay all of the GAL’s fees. As a result, the

3
    A report was made to CPS in relation to the events of September 28 and 29, 2014.
4
  Pursuant to the DVO, Matthew had timesharing with the children every Wednesday and every
other weekend.

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family court ordered Matthew to pay for all the GAL’s past-billed fees. However,

the family court ordered that “[g]oing forward, if the parties choose to utilize a

[GAL], then each party shall be responsible for one-half of the fees.” (R. at 315.)

Julie did not contest this order or request termination of the GAL at that time.

             In February 2016, GAL Napier filed a motion with the family court

seeking an order for the children to be re-enrolled in therapy with Dr. Anne

Hammon. GAL Napier indicated that, upon her recommendation and with the

agreement of their parents, the children began therapy with Dr. Hammon in

January 2015. GAL Napier believed the therapy was beneficial for the children.

However, in January 2016, Dr. Hammon refused to schedule appointments for the

children more than a week in advance due to frequent missed appointments and

cancellations by Julie. At the end of January 2016, Julie informed GAL Napier

that T.S. would be seeing a new therapist, Dr. Meagan Marcum. GAL Napier

expressed her concern that this change was prompted by Dr. Hammon’s decision to

begin scheduling regular joint therapy sessions with Matthew and T.S. Ultimately,

the family court ordered that the parties were to enroll the children in therapy with

Dr. Kathryn Berlá, that the parties were to follow all treatment recommendations,

and that the parties were to comply with Dr. Berlá’s service agreement.

             In September 2016, Matthew moved the family court to restore his

custody rights such that the parties would resume as joint legal custodians of the

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children. Matthew averred that Julie had used her status as temporary sole

custodian to minimize his role in the children’s lives, preventing him from

accessing school records and participating in matters such as parent-teacher

conferences, and that her decisions were often made with the objective of sowing

discord between Matthew and the children. Shortly thereafter, with the assistance

of counsel, the parties, including GAL Napier, entered into an agreed order

restoring joint custody and redefining some of the parameters established by the

DVO to allow Matthew to attend school events and pick the children up from

school.5

               Shortly thereafter, Julie discharged her prior counsel, obtained new

counsel, and moved to set aside the agreed order as well as to replace GAL Napier

with a new GAL. Julie alleged GAL Napier was biased and unprofessional

towards the children. This prompted GAL Napier to move the family court to

allow her to withdraw as GAL. GAL Napier asserted it was her belief that Julie’s

motion and allegations were prompted by Julie’s disagreement with GAL Napier’s

recommendations regarding Matthew’s requests to be more involved. She

explained that any time a professional disagreed with Julie, she sought to turn the

5
  This was necessary because Julie worked as a counselor at the children’s school, and under the
DVO Matthew was not permitted to be on school grounds. The modification allowed Matthew
to enter school grounds for purposes related to the children but still required him to maintain a
distance of 500 feet from Julie.

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children against the professional, as had occurred with Dr. Hammon and Dr. Berlá.

Although GAL Napier denied any wrongdoing, she stated that it was her belief that

“continued litigation [regarding the GAL] will only pull the children further into

the conflict and provide further avenue for the children to be involved in the

litigation . . . therefore it is in the children’s best interest that [GAL Napier]

remove herself as a point of conflict and distraction from the relevant issues.”

             By orders entered on November 17, 2016, the family court allowed

GAL Napier to withdraw and appointed Nicole Cook to serve as the children’s new

GAL. The family court also entered an order for a family assessment by a

psychologist, Dr. Jennifer D. Cebe, regarding “the parties’ parenting schedule of

their children.” Specifically, Dr. Cebe was ordered to investigate and report to the

family court her findings and recommendations regarding each party’s ability to

care for the minor children, and provide a suitability study and make

recommendations regarding the parties’ parenting time arrangements.

             On January 23, 2017, Julie moved the family court to suspend

Matthew’s timesharing with the children until further order of the court. Julie’s

motion was accompanied by an affidavit in which she recounted certain events that

allegedly occurred on December 27, 2016, during, before, and after Matthew’s

timesharing with the children. She asserted that, prior to going to Matthew’s house

for the night, T.S. texted her paternal grandfather (the parental go-between)

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seeking permission to stay at a friend’s house that evening. According to Julie,

Matthew was angry at the children for wanting to miss their timesharing with him.

She stated that Matthew spent the evening “screaming at” the children. She

contended that the discord continued into the next day, and that Matthew was still

visibly angry when it was time for them to leave. Julie claimed that in his anger

Matthew slammed the car door on L.S.’s hand. Matthew did not seek medical care

for L.S., whose hand Julie described as swollen and bruised. Julie took L.S. to

Norton’s Children’s Medical Group - Brownsboro, where x-rays were taken and

L.S.’s hand “was splinted.” Julie further averred that L.S. treated with an unnamed

“pediatric/orthopedic physician” on January 3, 2017, who diagnosed a fracture and

placed L.S.’s hand in a cast. Julie included a video of the children resisting

timesharing with Matthew and behaving anxiously when it was time for their

grandfather to pick them up for their next timesharing with Matthew.

             Matthew objected to Julie’s motion, but acknowledged that he

accidently closed the car door on L.S.’s hand. He vehemently denied that his

actions were intentional or out of anger at the child. He also denied that L.S.’s

hand appeared to need medical attention. He stated that GAL Cook had obtained

L.S.’s medical records, and she had advised him that the records contained no

statements by L.S. to medical professionals that she believed Matthew’s actions

were intentional. He also asserted the x-rays did not indicate a fracture to L.S.’s

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hand. Matthew asked the family court to seal the video made by Julie during the

drop-off because he did not believe its inclusion was in the children’s best interest.

GAL Cook later filed copies of the certified medical records she received from

Norton.

             Next, on January 23, 2017, GAL Cook filed a motion with the family

court seeking to prohibit the parties from discussing the case with the media and/or

to prohibit contact between the media and the children. GAL Cook noted several

prior occasions when Julie used social media or other more traditional forms of

media, such as television and newspaper, to discuss the specifics of her

disagreements with Matthew. GAL Cook did not believe trying the parties’

dispute in the court of public opinion would be in the children’s best interests.

Julie objected to the motion.

             Julie’s motion to suspend parenting time and the GAL’s motion to

prohibit discussions with the media came before the family court for a hearing on

February 9, 2017. The family court denied Julie’s motion to suspend Matthew’s

parenting time after concluding that the December 27, 2016, incident “was

accidental in nature and resulted in minimal injury” to L.S. The family court also

denied GAL Cook’s motion regarding the media with the caveat that “if either

party chooses to do so, the court may consider [discussions of the case with the

media and/or the children] as a factor when making any future determination as to

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the best interests of the children.” Julie filed a motion to set aside the family’s

order, which was subsequently denied.

              In May 2017, GAL Cook filed a motion to hold Julie in contempt

based on her failure to pay her portion of the GAL’s fees pursuant to the family

court’s October 19, 2015 order, which required the parties to split future GAL fees.

GAL Cook noted that prior to filing the motion she attempted to resolve the billing

issue with Julie by sending her monthly invoices and through letters asking for

payment. GAL Cook averred that she had only received a $600 retainer from Julie

and that as of the date of her motion, Julie owed $2,283.46 for previously incurred

fees.6

              In June 2017, after disagreements concerning Matthew’s timesharing,

Matthew filed a motion asking the family court to enter an order granting him

“make-up parenting time,” enforcing the holiday parenting schedule, and requiring

Julie to pay the attorney’s fees he incurred in filing the motion.

              On June 22, 2017, the family court entered an order addressing

several of the outstanding motions. First, the family court denied Julie’s CR

60.02(b) motion seeking to set aside the family court’s March 1, 2017 order. In

this motion, Julie argued that certain medical records, which were submitted to the

6
  GAL Cook supplemented her motion in August 2017, noting that as of the most recent billing
statement dated July 26, 2017, Julie owed her $2,362.84.

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court following the order, constituted “newly discovered” evidence. The family

court disagreed that the medical records constituted newly discovered evidence,

noting that they were in existence at the time of the hearing and the parties were

aware of them. The family court also rejected Julie’s argument that GAL Cook

committed fraud on the court relating to the hearing when she failed to have the

children testify at the hearing and when she did not advocate for a cessation of

Matthew’s parenting time as the children wanted her to do. The family court noted

that there was no fraud on the court because it was aware of the children’s desire to

testify and their opinions on spending time with Matthew. The family court

specifically pointed out that GAL Cook was responsible for advocating for the best

interests of the children but was not beholden to their wishes, and that GAL Cook’s

refusal to comply with the wishes of the children did not in any way reflect an

intent to commit fraud on the court. The family court also pointed out that it had

previously interviewed the children and was aware of their desire not to spend time

with Matthew. The family court noted that it had “significant concerns over the

legitimacy of these beliefs given [Julie’s] behavior and influence over [the

children]” such that the children’s statements and wishes had “little probative value

to the court . . . due to the court’s questions as to their validity.” (R. at 536.)

             The family court granted Matthew’s motion to enforce the holiday

schedule but noted that the schedule was somewhat ambiguous as to which party

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was to have had the children on Memorial Day. Because Julie had the benefit of

spending Memorial Day with the children, the family court ordered that Matthew

was to have the children over the Labor Day holiday. Given the ambiguity, the

family court denied Matthew’s motion for attorney’s fees. Finally, the family

court ordered that the parties were to continue with the current orders relating to

parenting time. Julie was directed not to deny Matthew’s parenting time “for any

reason, without written court order.” (R. at 538.) Julie was warned that her failure

to comply with the family court’s directive not to interfere with Matthew’s

parenting time would open the door for Matthew to move to modify the parenting

schedule so that the children would reside primarily with him.

             On June 20, 2017, Matthew moved the family court to enter an order

designating him as the primary residential parent. In his motion, Matthew

explained that the family court had previously awarded him make-up parenting

time to take place on June 17, 2017. He stated that Julie was evasive when

Matthew’s proxy (his father) tried to confirm that Julie planned to make the

children available on June 17, and that Julie’s lawyer likewise failed to respond

with assurances that Julie was going to comply with the order. Matthew stated that

his father arrived on June 17 at the appropriate time and location to collect the

children, but Julie never arrived with the children, prompting Matthew’s father to

call her. During that call, Julie informed Matthew’s father that the children were

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refusing to go. Matthew’s father then went to Julie’s home to get the children, but

they would not voluntarily go with him. During this time, the children spoke to

Matthew on the telephone telling him that “they are never coming for any visits

anymore.” On Father’s Day, the children again refused to go with Matthew. Their

refusal led to another phone call between Matthew and the children, which Julie

surreptitiously recorded after suggesting that the children would be more

comfortable if the call was conducted over speakerphone. In his motion, Matthew

expressed his belief that Julie was manipulating the children to their detriment by

seeking to minimize his role as their father. He believed Julie’s behavior was

prompted by Julie’s loss of several motions seeking to suspend Matthew’s

parenting time.

             Next, Matthew filed a motion to hold Julie in contempt for her

repeated violations of the family court’s orders relating to parenting time. He

asserted that, contrary to the family court’s prior orders and despite being ready

and available, he had not had parenting time with the children since June 14, 2017.

He stated that Julie refused to make the children available despite his father

showing up to collect them for each scheduled visitation.

             On August 1, 2017, after recounting the parties’ extensive and

acrimonious litigation history, the family court passed GAL Cook’s motion to hold

Julie in contempt to the upcoming August 31 hearing, and ordered GAL Cook to

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address certain concerns Julie raised regarding GAL Cook’s failure to

meaningfully consult with the children and possible conflicts of interest. The

Court also passed Matthew’s motion to hold Julie in contempt for failure to follow

the parenting schedule. Finally, the family court ordered that pending the August

31 hearing, Matthew was to have parenting time with the younger child every

weekend from Friday evening to Monday morning. Given the older child’s

“significant mental health problems,” the family court did not require her to attend

parenting time with Matthew prior to the August 31 hearing but allowed her to do

so if she so desired. Due to Julie’s acknowledged anxiety and her alleged inability

to control the children’s behavior, the family court ordered Julie to enroll in

therapy with a new provider within seven days of entry of the court’s order.

Lastly, the parties were ordered to immediately enroll the older child in therapy

with Dr. Meagan Marcum, with the primary goal of stabilizing the child’s mental

health and with the secondary goals of creating a healthy relationship with Julie

and healing her relationship with Matthew.

             The hearing on the outstanding motions began on August 31, 2017, as

scheduled, but it did not finish that day and was continued to September 6, 2017.

During the hearing, the Court conducted a private in chambers interview of the

children. The interview was recorded and placed in the record under seal.

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                Before resumption of the hearing, Julie filed a motion pursuant to

KRS7 26A.020 seeking to have the family court judge recused. As a basis for the

motion, Julie averred that the children were upset and traumatized after their

interview with the judge because the judge expressed skepticism with respect to

their negative characterization of Matthew and their beliefs about the injuries to

L.S.’s hand after the car door incident. Julie alleged that the judge had

“erroneously prejudiced [Julie’s] credibility and the credibility of [the children]”

and that the judge’s allegedly harsh treatment of the girls in chambers “further

traumatized T.S. and L.S. who come to court as traumatized children.” Chief

Justice Minton denied Julie’s motion. Nevertheless, the motion delayed action in

the case, causing the continuation of the August 31 hearing to be rescheduled for

November 30, 2017.

                Not surprisingly, several additional motions were filed by the parties

in the interim, including Julie’s motion seeking to be provided with a complete

video record of the August 31, 2017 hearing, inclusive of the judge’s interview of

the children. GAL Cook objected to the parties being provided a copy of the video

but noted that the parties and/or their counsel could view the video at the

courthouse. Citing Julie’s prior contact with the media, GAL Cook was

apprehensive that Julie or her counsel planned to publicize the interview, which

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she believed would be detrimental to the children. For his part, Matthew filed

additional motions with the court seeking to hold Julie in contempt for continuing

to obstruct his parenting time.

             A contempt hearing was scheduled for December 11, 2017, at which

Julie was ordered to appear and show cause why she should not be held in

contempt for violating the family court’s previous parenting time orders, including

its November 7, 2017 order. Following the hearing, the family court entered an

order on December 20, 2017, finding Julie in contempt based on her repeated

failure to comply with the parenting time schedule previously ordered by the court.

The family court generously ordered that Julie could “purge herself of contempt”

by following all parenting time orders completely without telling the children that

she was doing so under the threat of jail time, enrolling herself in individual

therapy as previously ordered by the court, completing the initial therapy intake

appointment prior to the next hearing in January 2018, and making sure the

children remained enrolled in therapy and attended all their scheduled therapy

appointments. Julie was warned that her failure to purge herself of contempt as

ordered could result in additional sanctions, including potential incarceration of up

to one hundred eighty days.

             In the same order, the family court granted GAL Cook’s pending

motions to hold Julie in contempt for failure to pay her share of GAL Cook’s fees.

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Again, the family court provided Julie with an opportunity to purge herself of the

contempt by bringing the fees current before the parties’ March 2018 hearing date.

             Lastly, the family court addressed Julie’s request to be provided a

video copy of the children’s testimony from the August 31, 2017 hearing. The

family court concluded that there was a high likelihood that allowing Julie or her

counsel to have a copy of the video would result in sensitive information about the

children being released to the public. Additionally, the family court noted that it

was unnecessary for Julie to have a physical copy of the video since the footage

could be easily viewed in the video room at the courthouse or certified directly

from the clerk’s office for any appeals.

             Following a hearing on January 31, 2018, the family court entered an

order finding that Julie did not purge herself of the contempt. Specifically, the

family court found that as a result of Julie’s obstructionist behavior, Matthew had

not had parenting time with L.S., the younger child, since entry of the December

20, 2017 order, and that Julie had failed to enroll in therapy and complete the

initial intake. Based on Julie’s failure to purge herself, the family court sentenced

Julie to thirty days’ incarceration, conditionally discharged for two years, so long

as Julie complied with all court-ordered parenting time. Julie was warned that her

failure to ensure L.S. appeared for her scheduled parenting with Matthew could

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result in revocation of the conditional discharge and the imposition of the jail

sentence of up to thirty days.

              On February 26, 2018, the family court held a hearing on Matthew’s

motion seeking to revoke Julie’s conditional discharge. Following the hearing, the

family court entered a written order on February 27, 2018, finding that Julie

admitted her noncompliance with the parenting time orders and that Matthew had

not had parenting time with L.S. since the entry of the February 6, 2018 order. As

a result, the family court sentenced Julie to two days’ incarceration and ordered her

to comply with its parenting time orders.

              On April 4, 2018, Julie filed a motion to terminate GAL Cook. In

addition to attacking GAL Cook’s fees, Julie alleged that GAL Cook “has never

done anything on the record except attack [Julie].” The family court denied Julie’s

motion, determined that GAL Cook’s fees were reasonable, and ordered Julie to

pay GAL Cook’s fees, as well as the fees GAL Cook incurred in seeking payment

from Julie.

              Julie now appeals from the orders entered by the family court on

December 20, 2017, February 6, 2018, February 27, 2018, March 8, 2018, and

April 19, 2018.

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                                   II. ANALYSIS

                                A. Contempt Orders

             “Contempt is the willful disobedience toward, or open disrespect for,

the rules or orders of a court.” Getty v. Getty, 581 S.W.3d 548, 568 (Ky. 2019)

(quoting Commonwealth v. Burge, 947 S.W.2d 805, 808 (Ky. 1996)). “When a

court exercises its contempt powers, it has nearly unlimited discretion.” Morris v.

Morris, 504 S.W.3d 710, 713 (Ky. App. 2016) (citing Smith v. City of Loyall, 702

S.W.2d 838, 839 (Ky. App. 1986)). Consequently, we will not disturb a court’s

decision regarding contempt absent an abuse of its discretion. Cary v. Pulaski

County Fiscal Court, 420 S.W.3d 500, 520 (Ky. App. 2013). “The test for abuse

of discretion is whether the trial judge’s decision was arbitrary, unreasonable,

unfair, or unsupported by sound legal principles.” Goodyear Tire and Rubber Co.

v. Thompson, 11 S.W.3d 575, 581 (Ky. 2000). The trial court’s underlying

findings of fact are reviewed for clear error. Commonwealth, Cabinet for Health

Family Servs. v. Ivy, 353 S.W.3d 324, 332 (Ky. 2011).

             The family court’s December 20, 2017 order determined Julie was in

contempt of court for failing to comply with the court’s prior orders on

timesharing. The family court’s order is detailed as to why it believed Julie was in

contempt of court. It provides, in relevant part:

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14. [Matthew] filed his motion to hold [Julie] in
contempt on July 18, 2017 and this order is limited to
parenting time violations that occurred prior to that date.

15. From June 25, 2015 to July 18, 2017, [Matthew]
alleges [Julie] has violated the June 25, 2015 parenting
time order on at least eleven (11) separate [] occasions,
not including many more dates in where [Matthew]
alleges [Julie] was late to exchanges.

16. [Matthew] believes [Julie] has willfully disregarded
this court’s parenting time order by consistently
undermining his relationship with the children to the
point that the children refuse to exercise parenting time
with him.

17. There is significant evidence in the record to support
[Matthew’s] assertion. To begin with, it is clear from the
history of this case that [Julie] wishes [Matthew’s]
relationship with the children to be extremely limited, if
not eliminated altogether, since the September 2014
domestic violence incident.

18. Specifically, [Julie] has objected to every motion
[Matthew] has made to restore his previous parenting
time with the children since the October 2014 domestic
violence incident . . . . [Julie] believes the children
should have only day time visits with [Matthew] and that
these visits should be supervised.

19. [Julie] has also sought to suspend [Matthew’s]
parenting time with the children on at least two (2)
occasions, through an EPO/DVO in September 2017 and
through a motion in January 2017. Both of the attempts
were denied.

20. [Matthew] also submitted copies of text message
exchanges from [Julie] to [Matthew’s] father, in which
she requests modifications to the parenting schedule and
then becomes upset when [Matthew] does not acquiesce

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to her requests. [Julie] then accuses [Matthew] of not
caring about the children’s needs, wishes and best
interests.

21. The text messages also show [Julie] consistently
resists [Matthew’s] attempts to schedule make-up time
for missed visits and regularly responds to his suggested
make-up times by stating they are not compatible with
her schedule.

22. [Matthew] also submitted text message exchanges
that occurred between [Julie] and the oldest child, which
occurred while the children were at [Matthew’s] home
for their court ordered parenting time. During the
exchange, the oldest child was upset that [Matthew’s]
parenting time extended longer than she believed it was
supposed to.

23. At no time during the exchange did [Julie] attempt to
deescalate the situation or remove the child from the
middle of parenting time disagreements. Rather, [Julie]
encouraged the behavior of the child, including telling
her to email the custody evaluator. [Julie] also []
repeatedly told the child she would make sure the
parenting time ended at the time [the child] wished and
engaged the child in steps to make sure this occurred.

24. The above incidents support the findings in the
custody evaluation, in which the child’s previous
therapist indicated [Julie] had a history of validating the
child’s fears and anxiety, thereby increasing it. The
therapist recommended to [Julie] that she stop engaging
in the behavior, although the communications between
[Julie] and the child indicate [Julie] continues to amplify
the child’s fears and anxiety.

25. Finally, [Julie’s] actions or non-actions in this case
have regularly interfered with attempts by this court to
repair the children’s relationship with [Matthew] through
therapeutic methods, which could have addressed, in a

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healthy and safe manner, the underlying reasons they do
not wish to have parenting time with [Matthew], rather
than continuing to place the children in the middle of this
litigation.

26. [Julie] acknowledged to the custody evaluator in this
case that she has anxiety resulting from the children
having overnight parenting time with [Matthew]. The
children’s previous therapist also noted that [Julie’s]
anxiety regarding parenting time became overwhelming.

27. Despite this acknowledgment, [Julie] has not
consistently engaged in individual therapy to address
these issues, even after the custody evaluator recommend
she do so and the court made that recommendation an
order of the court.

....

29. The custody evaluation also supports [Matthew’s]
assertion that [Julie] has interfered in his relationship
with the children and his ability to exercise his parenting
time. The evaluator indicated this was either a result of
deliberate actions by [Julie] or a result of [Julie’s]
transference of anxiety to the children as a result of her
overly-enmeshed relationship with the children and her
untreated anxiety.

30. As her defenses to contempt, [Julie] asserts that the
children refuse to go to the visitation and she [] lacks the
ability to persuade them or get them to follow her
directives, despite efforts on her part to get them to
comply with the parenting order. [Julie] alleges the root
of the children’s behavior is [Matthew’s] ongoing
abusive behavior towards the children and their resulting
fear of him.

31. This defense is not unique to this motion, as [Julie]
has regularly explained her actions in this case as being

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the result of the children’s wishes, statements or
behavior[.]

32. For this motion, [Julie] submitted as evidence a
transcript of the phone call between [Matthew] and the
children from June 17, 2017, in which the children refuse
to go to parenting time with [Matthew].

33. [Julie] recorded the conversation without the
knowledge of [Matthew] or [Matthew’s] father, who was
present at [Julie’s] house in the room with the children
and [Julie]. The conversation took place on [Matthew’s]
father’s phone.

34. The conversation between [Matthew] and the
children took place in front of [Julie] and lasted over
twenty (20) minutes and resulted in a transcript over sixty
(60) pages long.

35. During the conversation, the children consistently
stated [Matthew] was abusive and they were scared of
him. The children steadfastly refused to go on parenting
time with [Matthew] and stated this many times.

36. In further support of her defense, [Julie] also had the
parties’ children testify at the August 31, 2017 hearing.
The testimony was conducted in camera and was
recorded as part of the record in this case.

37. During the testimony, both children again made
statements indicating that they refused to go to parenting
time with [Matthew] because he is abusive and they are
scared of him. These statements are consistent with the
statements they made during the phone call [Julie]
recorded.

38. The children missed school on August 31, 2017 to be
called as witnesses for [Julie]. When it was clear that the
court would have to schedule additional time for the
conclusion of the hearing, the court and the parties

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agreed the children would testify out of order so they
would not have to come back to court for the conclusion
of the hearing, which was set for a school day
approximately one (1) week later.

39. Ultimately, the conclusion of the hearing did not
[take] place until November 30, 2017, also a school day.
Despite this, [Julie] again chose to keep the children out
of school so they could testify on her behalf at the
hearing.

40. The court declined to hear the children’s testimony at
the November 30, 2017, [hearing] since they had already
testified as to the issues addressed in [Matthew’s]
contempt motion.

41. [Julie] then chose to have the children testify by
avowal after the three (3) hour hearing concluded. The
court was not present when the testimony was taken and
it was not considered as part of this motion.

42. [Julie] further argues she is unable to persuade the
children to go to the parenting time and is similarly
unable to get them to follow her directive that they must
go.

43. Although [Julie] claims in both the recorded phone
call and her testimony that she made efforts to get the
children to the parenting time exchange, this is not
reflected in the transcript of the phone call.

44. [Julie] only appears on the transcript of the call on
twelve (12) occasions, even though she was present in
the room for almost the entire call and was the party that
requested the call be placed on speakerphone. However,
the court notes that pages 21 and 22 of the transcript are
missing from the copy provided to the court by [Julie], so
it [is] unclear if there are additional appearances by
[Julie] on those pages.

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45. Of these twelve (12) occasions, six (6) of them are
[Julie] interacting with [Matthew’s] father regarding
issues not related to the parenting time compliance, such
as directing him into the room, offering him a seat, a
beverage and a snack, and indicating her understanding
that [Matthew’s] father had accidentally disconnected the
call and was calling [Matthew] back.

46. At no point during the phone call does [Julie] tell the
children they need to attend the parenting time. Instead,
[Julie] informs [Matthew’s] father of the steps she took to
get them to comply prior to his arrival at her home.
There is no audio or video recording of these attempts by
[Julie], even though Julie regularly records the children
when it comes to parenting time disputes with [Matthew].

47. At one point during the call, [Matthew] specifically
requests [Julie] tell the children they need to go with
[Matthew’s] father. [Julie] chooses to not tell the
children this. Instead, [Julie] deflects the request by
stating she has already told them and again lists the
various ways in which she allegedly tried to get the
children to comply.

48. Despite [Julie’s] claimed inability to control the
children on the issue of parenting time with [Matthew], it
is clear from the record that [Julie] can control the
children when it comes to many other issues.

49. For example, in the transcript of the Father’s Day
call, [Julie] directs the oldest child to let the younger
child speak and the older child immediately agrees. In a
separate portion, the oldest child tells [Matthew] that
[Julie] previously told her to go for the parenting time
and she refused, but then acknowledges that she complies
with [Julie] on requests such as cleaning her room.

50. [Matthew] also tendered documentation of text
messages that occurred between [Julie] and the oldest
child while the child was having parenting time with

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[Matthew]. In those exchanges, [Julie] directs the child
to take certain steps to terminate the parenting time and
the child complies with those directives.

51. Finally, [Julie] claims [Matthew] is abusive to the
children and they are scared of him, which is why she
cannot get the children to comply with the schedule.
These same claims were made by the children, both in
the Father’s Day phone call [Julie] recorded and in their
testimony to the court.

52. The children have consistently made these claims
since the entry of the June 25, 2015 visitation order,
although there has been minimal evidence to support the
claims of the children, other than their testimony.

53. Regarding the children’s testimony on August 31,
2017, the court finds it to be unreliable, despite the
sincerity with which the children hold the beliefs. The
court believes these statements are the result of [Julie’s]
influence and coaching, whether it is an intentional act of
[Julie] to damage the children’s relationship with
[Matthew] or an unintentional act that occurs as a result
of [Julie’s] currently untreated anxiety.

54. This ability of [Julie] to influence the children is
evidenced by the transcript of the phone call [Julie]
recorded on Father’s Day 2017. In one of the twelve (12)
times [Julie] appears on the transcript, [Julie] suggests
the phone call between [Matthew] and the children be
placed on speakerphone, suggesting to the children that it
would make them feel more comfortable.

55. Later in the transcript, [Matthew’s] father states he
hears a bell ringing and the oldest child indicates that it is
from her cell phone. The child directs to [Julie] to turn
the phone off, but rather than complying, [Julie]
questions whether the child wants her to turn it off,
suggesting instead that the sound be turned down on the

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device, at which point the child changes direction and
tells [Julie] she can just turn the sound off.

56. It is unclear from the transcript and testimony if the
oldest child’s phone was the device on which [Julie] was
recording the conversation, which would have explained
why [Julie] did not want to turn the device off.

57. The court also believes the testimony of the children
is unreliable based on the children’s language and
behavior during the testimony, which seemed above their
age and maturity level and more reflective of language
used by an adult. Further, the testimony was vague and
inconsistent. When the court attempted to gain specifics,
the older child became angry and the younger child
became extremely emotional and began crying.

58. The above findings are consistent with the custody
evaluation in this case, which indicates [Julie] engaged in
acts of coaching or attempting to influence the oldest
child’s communication with the therapist during joint
therapy sessions.

59. In contrast to the above, the majority of the evidence
in this case supports [Matthew’s] testimony that he has
not engaged in any intentional acts of abuse against the
children since the September 2014 domestic violence
incident.

60. Following the 2014 domestic violence incident,
[Matthew] began individual counseling with Matt Veroff
in October 2014 to address anger and parenting issues.
[Matthew] subsequently continued the therapy with Dr.
James Shields. [Matthew] and the children have also
participated in joint therapy sessions with Dr. Anne
Hammon and Dr. Kathryn Berla.

61. The custody evaluation incorporated above addresses
[Matthew’s] steps to address his issues and indicates that

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             it has been successful, as evidenced by [Matthew’s]
             behavior and the reports of therapy providers in this case.

             62. The effectiveness of the therapy is also evidenced by
             the June 17, 2017 phone call recorded by [Julie] without
             [Matthew’s] knowledge.

             63. During this entire conversation, [Matthew] used
             healthy and appropriate parenting skills, including
             attempting to reason with the children and address their
             concerns, as well as offering safeguards and
             compromises to the children. [Matthew] was able to
             maintain a calm and rational demeanor throughout a
             challenging conversation.

             64. The court can find no example in the transcript of
             [Matthew] acting abusive, aggressive, angry or
             inappropriate. Further, at no point did [Matthew] make
             disparaging comments about [Julie], even when he
             believed [Julie] was unable to hear him.

(R. at 892-902.)

             Based on these factual findings, the family court concluded that Julie

had not complied with the parenting schedule in this case and her failure was “a

willful disregard of the court’s order.” (R. at 904.) In an act of leniency, the

family court allowed Julie the opportunity to purge herself of all contempt by fully

complying with the parenting time orders and enrolling herself in individual

therapy to address her anxiety issues surrounding Matthew’s timesharing. Julie’s

failure to comply resulted in subsequent orders, which culminated in an order

requiring her to be incarcerated for two days.

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             In her appellate brief, Julie spends a considerable amount of time

rehashing the facts and attacking the family court’s credibility determinations as

well as its order requiring L.S. to have timesharing with Matthew. She argues that

“[h]ad the Court taken into consideration the factors in KRS 403.270(2)(b), (c) &

(g) the girls’ wishes, the domestic violence, the interrelationship between the girls

and Matthew, had the Court considered the girls’ doctor’s and psychotherapists’

records, and that Julie actually complied, there could have been no conclusion

other than that the relationship between the girls and Matthew was unhealthy and

should not have been forced upon L.S. at that time.”

             As a primary matter, the order granting Matthew timesharing with

L.S. is not part of these appeals. Regardless of whether Julie believed the family

court reached the correct result in ordering timesharing, Julie was bound by the

family court’s temporary timesharing order. It was not for Julie to pick and choose

which orders she believed were worthy of her compliance and which ones were

not. As a litigant under the family court’s jurisdiction, Julie was bound to follow

the family court’s orders, even the ones she did not think were correctly decided.

Simply put, disagreement with an order is not a valid defense to contempt.

             Julie’s arguments regarding the family court’s credibility

determinations are likewise not convincing. It is abundantly clear that the family

court carefully considered the evidence before it as well as the testimony of the

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parties and the expert witnesses. At the end of the day, the family court had to

make credibility decisions. This is its responsibility. The family court determined

that Julie improperly used her influence over the children such that they began

refusing to go to timesharing with Matthew. Instead of discouraging this behavior

and encouraging the children to have better relationships with Matthew, Julie

encouraged the children’s refusal further, often putting words in their mouths and

manipulating their perceptions of Matthew’s behavior and motives, thus thwarting

Matthew’s ability to exercise his timesharing with the children. The evidence

amply supports the family court’s conclusions. The record overwhelmingly

convinces us that the family court exercised its discretion appropriately and made

reasoned findings regarding the motives and actions of the individuals involved in

this dispute.

                Julie further asserts that the family court failed to consider that L.S.

“was so traumatized” that it was impossible for Julie to make her go to timesharing

with Matthew. “Whether civil or criminal, a party cannot be punished for

contempt for her failure to perform an act which is impossible.” Crowder v.

Rearden, 296 S.W.3d 445, 450 (Ky. App. 2009). “The inability to comply must be

shown clearly and categorically by the defendant, and the defendant must prove

[s]he took all reasonable steps within her power to insure compliance with the

court’s order.” Id. at 450-51. While Julie argued to the family court that she

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lacked the ability to force the children to go to parenting time with Matthew, the

family court rejected this argument. It detailed the reasons for its conclusion,

including that Julie failed to proffer any credible evidence that she actually tried to

persuade the children to go to timesharing, and it noted that Julie appeared able to

control the children when she was inclined to do so. As noted by the family court,

the evidence supported the conclusion that, on previous occasions, Julie assisted

the children in evading their timesharing with Matthew and coached them on how

and what to say to the court and therapists to help bolster her case against

timesharing. The record certainly supports these conclusions.

             Julie’s argument that the family court abused its discretion when it

failed to allow Julie to call the children to testify at the contempt hearing and

refused to hear from the children’s treating psychotherapists also lacks merit. As

noted by the family court, its considered the children’s previous testimony. The

family court determined that testimony was not credible and lacked reliability

because Julie appeared to have coached the children prior to their being

interviewed by the court. Furthermore, the issue was whether Julie had violated

the timesharing; it was not whether the previously ordered timesharing was in the

children’s best interests. Rather than trying to actually present proof in support of

her failure to comply with the parenting time orders, Julie sought to “defend

herself” by presenting expert proof from experts “that because of Matthew’s abuse,

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it was harmful for L.S. to be forced to go with Matthew at that time.” This was

just another attempt at undermining the family court’s previous determination that

timesharing with Matthew was in L.S.’s best interest. It was Julie’s obligation to

comply with the court’s directive, notwithstanding the fact that she and her experts

disagreed with the family court’s judgment. Julie had an opportunity to present

evidence prior to entry of the temporary timesharing order, and she did so. Her

evidence did not carry the day, and her reliance on additional evidence to support

her losing argument is not a defense to contempt. In short, we cannot discern any

abuse of discretion in the family court’s decision to limit the testimony and

evidence.

             In sum, we agree entirely with the family court’s decision to hold

Julie in contempt of court for her failure to abide by the timesharing agreements.

Far from abusing its discretion, the family court was perhaps overly generous in

providing Julie with opportunities to purge herself and avoid jail time. Despite the

family court’s generosity, Julie continued to operate according to her own set of

rules, flouting the family court’s orders and attempting to reargue issues that had

long since been decided against her, such as whether Matthew domestically abused

the children in 2014 and whether he intentionally shut L.S.’s hand in the car door

in 2017. Julie’s dogged insistence at avoiding timesharing has likely caused these

children untold amounts of emotional and psychological damage. At a certain

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point, the family court could no longer sanction Julie’s blatant refusal to follow

directives which therapists, the custody evaluator, and most importantly the family

court determined were in the best interests of these children. As a last resort, the

family court sentenced Julie to serve a mere two days in jail. Again, the family

court is to be commended for its judicial restraint. Julie was given several

opportunities to right her course and begin complying with the court’s timesharing

orders, and she was warned that her failure to do so could result in significant jail

time. The family court ultimately sentenced Julie to the least amount of time it

determined would ensure her future compliance with its directives.

             The record contains sufficient proof to refute any claim of abuse of

discretion by the family court in finding Julie in contempt for her failure to abide

by the timesharing orders, in sentencing her to thirty (30) days conditionally

discharged, or in revoking the conditional discharge and sentencing Julie to two

days in jail. In the future, Julie would do well to abide by court orders, even ones

she does not believe were correctly decided. There is an appellate process to

challenge orders that one believes are erroneous, and Julie is free to utilize that

process. What Julie cannot be allowed to do, however, is pick and choose which

orders she believes are worthy of her compliance. Julie is not above the law.

             We now turn to the family court’s order finding Julie in contempt for

her failure to pay her half of GAL Cook’s fees. In its December 20, 2017 order,

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the family court summarized the procedural history related to the GAL fees in this

case as follows:

            65. Nicole Cook was appointed [GAL] for the children
            on November 17, 2016, replacing a previous GAL in this
            case.

            66. By order of October 19, 2015, the court required the
            parties to divide equally any GAL fees going
            forward. . . .

            67. Since November 17, 2016, [Julie] has made one
            payment to the [GAL] in the amount of $600.00. This
            payment was made on December 9, 2016.

            68. As of August 31, 2017, [Julie] owes the [GAL]
            $3,039.34 in past due fees.

            69. The [GAL] has provided monthly statements to
            [Julie], which [Julie] acknowledges receiving.

            70. [Julie] testified she has refused to pay the fees
            because she does not agree with the [GAL’s]
            representation of the children.

            71. [Julie] also alleges inability to pay due to her
            unemployment. [Julie] was previously employed as a
            guidance counselor at Walden School, where the children
            are enrolled in school. The school has also been the site
            of several parenting time issues in this case.

            72. [Julie] took a voluntary leave of absence from the
            school in September 2016. The school chose to
            terminate [Julie’s] position as of the end of the 2016-
            2017 school year.

            73. [Julie] has an undergraduate degree in psychology
            and two master’s degrees in clinical and educational
            psychology. [Julie] testified that she has been looking

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             for employment but has been unsuccessful. [Julie] does
             not have any disabilities that prevent her from working.

(R. at 902-03.)

             Based on these facts, the family court concluded that Julie was in

contempt of court for her failure to follow the family court’s prior order directing

her to pay half of the GAL’s fees. Once again, however, the family court exercised

leniency by allowing Julie approximately three months to purge herself of the

contempt by paying the past due amounts. Julie was warned that her failure to do

so could result in additional sanctions, including potential incarceration. Julie did

not pay the fees as ordered and was held in contempt of court. She was also

ordered to pay for GAL Cook’s costs in seeking payment.

             Once again, Julie raises issues long since decided, such as whether the

family court appropriately ordered her to pay half of the GAL fees in the first

instance. That order was entered in 2015. Julie did not contest the order at that

time. Likewise, even though Julie was repeatedly billed by the GAL, she did not

voice any prior objection to the GAL’s hourly rate. She also did not voice any

opposition to the continued use of a GAL until GAL Cook began advocating in

favor of the children having more time with Matthew and opposing Julie’s choice

to speak with the media and engage in other public discourse about the case.

             The evidence was clear that Julie was ordered to pay half of the GAL

fees and that she failed to do so, making her in violation of the family court’s 2015

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order. As a result, the family court properly determined that Julie was in contempt

of court. Julie asserted that she was unable to pay the GAL fees; however, the

family court expressly considered Julie’s educational and professional background

and determined that Julie had the ability to work should she so desire. This is

tantamount to a conclusion that Julie should have the ability to pay the fees over a

three-month period. During that three months, Julie failed to make any attempt at

paying the fees. We find no abuse of discretion with respect to the contempt

orders related to GAL Cook. We also do not agree with Julie that issues relating to

GAL Cook’s hourly rate or her actions in this case were relevant to the contempt

issue. It smacks of disingenuity for Julie to have brought those issues only after

GAL Cook moved the family court to hold her in contempt.

                   B. Video Recording of Children’s Testimony

             Julie’s last argument concerns the family court’s ruling with respect to

the video recordings made of the children’s testimony. Julie and her attorneys

sought to obtain copies of the recordings. Citing the sensitive nature of the

testimony and Julie’s prior propensity to make issues in the case public, the family

court denied her motion. However, the family court did not bar either Julie or her

counsel from assessing and viewing the testimony. To the contrary, the family

court made clear that the testimony could be viewed at the courthouse by Julie and

her counsel whenever they so desired.

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             In Couch v. Couch, 146 S.W.3d 923 (Ky. 2004), the Kentucky

Supreme Court held as follows:

                    We are cognizant of the fact that in many instances
             it may be helpful for the trial court to privately interview
             the child whose welfare is so vitally affected by the trial
             court’s decision in an attempt to protect him or her from
             the pain of openly choosing sides. Nevertheless, it is the
             parties’ constitutional right to hear all of the evidence
             offered in the case. In an action concerning custody or
             visitation, any procedure whereby the trial court prohibits
             disclosure of the transcript of a child’s interview to the
             parties raises significant due process questions. The
             parties are entitled to know what evidence is used or
             relied upon by the trial court, and have the right generally
             to present rebutting evidence or to cross-examine, unless
             such right is waived. If a trial court accepts and acts
             upon statements made by the child during the in camera
             interview, it is manifestly unfair not to record and
             disclose the contents of the interview in order to provide
             an opportunity for rebuttal. See generally S. Bernstein,
             Annotation, Propriety of Court Conducting Private
             Interview With Child in Determining Custody, 99
             A.L.R.2d 954 (1965).

                    In striking the appropriate balance between the
             interests of children and the procedural rights of parents,
             we hold that while it is certainly within the discretion of
             the trial court to conduct an in camera interview in the
             absence of the parties and counsel, a record of such
             interview must be made so that the parties are afforded
             the subsequent opportunity to determine and contradict
             the accuracy of statements and facts given during the
             interview.

Id. at 925-26.

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             The family court did not run afoul of Couch and its actions do not

violate Julie’s due process rights. As held in Couch, the parent must have access to

the record so that she can be made aware of what was said and given the

opportunity to determine and contradict the accuracy of the statements. Julie and

her counsel have not been denied access to the interviews. The record attests to

this fact, as they have extensively discussed what occurred in these interviews.

Those videos can be viewed by the parties at any time in the courthouse’s viewing

room. Denying a party the right to leave the courthouse with a copy of the record

is an entirely different matter than not making a record or not allowing a party to

view the record.

             Given Julie’s prior actions, the GAL’s opposition predicated on the

children’s best interests, and the sensitive nature of the testimony by two minor

children, we do not believe the trial court abused its discretion by placing some

modest restrictions on regarding how Julie could view and access these videos.

The family court appropriately balanced Julie’s right to due process rights with the

privacy rights of the minor children. Its order preserves Julie’s due process rights

while at the same time minimizing the risks to her children. There was no abuse of

discretion in denying Julie’s request for a copy of the videos when she was

permitted reasonable access to view those videos at the courthouse.

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                                III. CONCLUSION

            For the reasons set forth above, the orders of the Jefferson Family

Court are affirmed.

            ALL CONCUR.

BRIEF FOR APPELLANT:                     BRIEF FOR APPELLEE MATTHEW
                                         SALLEE:
Thomas E. Clay
Beth Lewis Maze                          John H. Helmers, Jr.
Louisville, Kentucky                     Louisville, Kentucky

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