Court Opinion

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United States Court of Appeals
                     For the First Circuit

No. 20-1747

                     JOSEPH MODESKI, et al.,

                     Plaintiffs, Appellants,

                               v.

                 SUMMIT RETAIL SOLUTIONS, INC.,

                      Defendant, Appellee.

          APPEAL FROM THE UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
               FOR THE DISTRICT OF MASSACHUSETTS

     [Hon. F. Dennis Saylor, IV, Chief U.S. District Judge]

                             Before

                   Lynch, Lipez, and Thompson,
                         Circuit Judges.

     Benjamin L. Davis, III, with whom the Law Offices of Peter T.
Nicholl was on brief, for appellants.
     Barry J. Miller, with whom Michael E. Steinberg and Seyfarth
Shaw LLP were on brief, for appellee.

                        February 25, 2022
             LIPEZ, Circuit Judge.            The Fair Labor Standards Act

("FLSA") generally requires employers to pay minimum wage and

overtime.     29 U.S.C. §§ 206(a), 207(a)(1).                However, it exempts

from these protections anyone employed "in the capacity of outside

salesman."       Id. § 213(a)(1).       The question here is whether the

appellants in this case -- who worked as "Brand Representatives"

for appellee, a marketing company -- fall within that outside sales

exemption.       Agreeing with the district court that the appellants

qualify as outside salespeople under governing law, we affirm the

district court's summary judgment ruling in favor of the marketing

company.

                                        I.

A. Facts

             The    following   facts   are    undisputed.          Summit    Retail

Solutions is a marketing company that contracts with clients --

department stores, grocery stores, and wholesale retailers -- to

provide in-store demonstrations designed to increase sales.                      Its

clients include Costco, Sam's Club, and BJ's.

             Summit employs "Brand Representatives" to perform these

in-store demonstrations and engage with customers.                  Brand Reps are

assigned    to     designated   stores,      where    they    set   up   a    display

featuring    a     particular   product      (for    example,   bamboo       pillows,

frozen pierogi, or a garlic butter purported to make the "best

grilled cheese sandwich ever").           Brand Reps then hand out samples

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or otherwise demonstrate the product (e.g., by getting customers

to "feel how soft the pillow" is).              Summit provides Brand Reps

with sales pitch scripts, promotional materials, and training in

specific sales techniques.         Brand Reps often have sales experience

before joining Summit.

            The Brand Reps' goal is to "convert" a sale by getting

the customer to place the product in his or her cart or basket.

Brand Reps do not finalize any sale at their display station.

Rather, customers pay for all their items at cash registers near

the front of the store.        Summit adopted this approach because it

is more efficient for the actual sales transactions to occur all

at once, at the registers operated by the retail store's own

employees.    That is also how retail stores typically operate.

            Because of these arrangements, Brand Reps cannot be sure

that customers with whom they have spoken are ultimately purchasing

the products.        A shopper who takes a product from the display

station might have second thoughts and decide to return the item

to   the   display    (or   just   leave   it   somewhere   in   the   store).

Conversely, a Brand Rep might not be personally responsible for

every sale of a displayed item.            For example, a customer might

grab a box of pierogi from the freezer without engaging with the

Brand Rep or take a pillow from the display station when the Brand

Rep is away on lunch break.            As a result, a Brand Rep would

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generally not know the exact sales numbers until he or she checks

the sales report the next day.

           In addition to assigning Brand Reps to specific stores,

Summit sets their schedules and dictates which products they

display.   Once assigned to a store, Brand Reps set up and stock

their own displays.   At the beginning of their workday, Brand Reps

are required to submit time-stamped pictures of their displays to

Summit, to confirm that they have arrived on time and that the

displays are properly set up.      Brand Reps' hours are carefully

recorded and tracked.

           Summit pays its Brand Reps a base hourly wage ranging

between $10 and $15 per hour.   Brand Reps can also earn commission-

style bonuses (referred to internally as "true-up payments").1

B. Procedural background

           A group of former Brand Reps sued Summit on behalf of

themselves and other Brand Reps, seeking to recover unpaid overtime

wages under the FLSA and analogous state wage laws.    Their theory

     1 To calculate these payments, Summit compares the total
hourly pay that a Brand Rep earns with a set percentage of the
total product sales that were generated by the Rep at his or her
store. If the latter exceeds the former, the Brand Rep receives
that excess as a bonus.     If, however, the former exceeds the
latter, the Brand Rep accrues a negative balance, which would then
be offset against any future bonuses. A Brand Rep who maintains
a significant negative balance for an extended period (i.e.,
several weeks) would be subject to disciplinary action, including
termination.

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was that the true-up system forced Brand Reps to systematically

underreport their actual hours, lest they face termination or other

adverse consequences for maintaining a negative balance between

their hourly pay and the set percentage of product sales.     As a

result, they alleged, many Brand Reps failed to receive overtime

wages for working over forty hours per week.

          As part of its defense, Summit argued that plaintiffs

fell within the FLSA's outside sales exemption and thus were not

entitled to overtime compensation at all.2     The parties cross-

moved for summary judgment on that issue.      The district court

agreed with Summit and, in a comprehensive and thoughtful decision,

granted summary judgment in Summit's favor and dismissed the case

in its entirety.   On appeal, plaintiffs argue that the district

court erred in concluding that they were subject to the exemption.3

     2 In the past, Summit apparently had classified Brand Reps as
"non-exempt" employees entitled to overtime and had paid overtime
(at time-and-a-half) for all hours reported over forty per
workweek. At some point before the present suit, Summit changed
its position. Regarding this shift, the district court noted that
"[s]everal courts have . . . held that 'while the label of
"nonexempt" may be evidence that a position is not exempt, such a
label is not dispositive.'" Modeski v. Summit Retail Sols., Inc.,
470 F. Supp. 3d 93, 101 (D. Mass. 2020) (quoting Burke v. Alta
Colls., Inc., No. 11-cv-02990-WYD-KLM, 2015 WL 1399675, at *44 (D.
Colo. Mar. 23, 2015)).    On appeal, plaintiffs assert that "[t]he
fact that Summit classified its Brand Reps as non-exempt to begin
with reveals the futility of its subsequent exemption argument."
We disagree.
     3 Consistent with the parties' briefing, the district court
determined that the analogous state law wage claims were subject

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                                       II.

           We review a grant of summary judgment de novo and affirm

if the record, construed in the light most favorable to the

nonmovant, presents no genuine issue of material fact and shows

that the movant is entitled to judgment as a matter of law.               See

Lawless v. Steward Health Care Sys., LLC, 894 F.3d 9, 20-21 (1st

Cir. 2018).   That both plaintiffs and defendant moved for summary

judgment   does   not   change   the    underlying   standard;    we   simply

determine whether either side deserves judgment as a matter of law

on the undisputed facts.     See Wells Real Est. Inv. Tr. II, Inc. v.

Chardon/Hato Rey P'ship, S.E., 615 F.3d 45, 51 (1st Cir. 2010).

           While the FLSA generally requires that employers pay

their employees a statutory minimum wage and overtime, see 29

U.S.C. §§ 206(a), 207(a)(1), it exempts from those requirements

"any employee employed . . . in the capacity of outside salesman."

29 U.S.C. § 213(a)(1).      The FLSA itself does not define "in the

capacity of outside salesman" or the component terms.            Instead, it

leaves them to be "defined and delimited . . . by regulations of

the Secretary [of Labor]."       Id.; see also Long Island Care at Home,

Ltd. v. Coke, 551 U.S. 158, 165 (2007) (noting that "the FLSA

explicitly leaves gaps" to be filled by regulations).

to the same outside sales analysis as the FLSA claim.            Plaintiffs
have not challenged that conclusion on appeal.

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           The relevant federal regulations, in turn, define an

"employee employed in the capacity of outside salesman" as any

employee (1) "whose primary duty is . . . making sales within the

meaning of [29 U.S.C. § 203(k)]" and (2) "who is customarily and

regularly engaged away from the employer's place or places of

business   in   performing   such    primary     duty."    29    C.F.R.

§ 541.500(a).4 The cross-referenced statutory provision, 29 U.S.C.

§ 203(k), provides that "'[s]ale' or 'sell' includes any sale,

exchange, contract to sell, consignment for sale, shipment for

sale, or other disposition."

           Plaintiffs do not contest that they were "customarily

and regularly engaged away from the employer's place or places of

business." 29 C.F.R. § 541.500(a)(2). They also accept that their

"primary duty" was communicating with potential customers and

trying to convince them to buy the featured products (and not, for

example, stocking shelves or setting up the displays).          See id.

§ 541.500(a)(1)(i). But they reject the idea that those activities

amount to "making sales."      See id.      They contend that as Brand

Reps they did not "mak[e] sales" within the meaning of the FLSA

because they "never sold anything" -- i.e., they did not obtain a

     4 The definition also includes any employee "[w]hose primary
duty is . . . obtaining orders or contracts for services or for
the use of facilities for which a consideration will be paid by
the client or customer." 29 C.F.R. § 541.500(a)(1)(ii). That part
of the definition is not at issue in this case.

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sufficiently concrete purchase commitment from shoppers (who were

always free to reconsider their decision to take a product from

the display station and remove the item from their cart before

heading to the register).

                                       III.

              Our analysis begins with the Supreme Court's seminal

consideration of the outside sales exemption in Christopher v.

SmithKline Beecham Corp., 567 U.S. 142 (2012).                      In determining

whether certain pharmaceutical sales representatives fell within

the   exemption,        the   Court    in    Christopher       outlined     several

considerations that are germane to resolving the present dispute.

              First, the FLSA provision establishing the exemption

refers   to    anyone    employed     "in    the    capacity   of    [an]   outside

salesman."      29 U.S.C. § 213(a)(1) (emphasis added).                  Christopher

suggested that "the statute's emphasis on the 'capacity' of the

employee" is an "interpretative clue" that "counsels in favor of

a functional, rather than a formal, inquiry, one that views an

employee's     responsibilities       in    the     context   of   the   particular

industry in which the employee works."                567 U.S. at 161.

              Second, as previously mentioned, the relevant statutory

definition provides that "'[s]ale' or 'sell' includes any sale,

exchange, contract to sell, consignment for sale, shipment for

sale, or other disposition."               29 U.S.C. § 203(k).           Again, per

Christopher: (1) the word "includes" suggests that the subsequent

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examples are "illustrative, not exhaustive," 567 U.S. at 162,

(2) the       open-ended        modifier        "any"      suggests         a    sale

"indiscriminately of whatever kind" is sufficient to fall within

the definition, id. (quoting United States v. Gonzales, 520 U.S.

1, 5 (1997)), and (3) the final phrase ("other disposition")

functions as a "broad catchall," suggesting that Congress (and

thus the Department of Labor ("DOL")) wanted to define sale in a

"broad manner," did not intend to require a "'firm agreement' or

'firm commitment' to buy," and meant "to accommodate industry-by-

industry variations in methods of selling commodities," id. at

163-64.

              Third,   Christopher        noted    that   the    DOL    itself    has

explained (in reports and regulations) that the exemption is

applicable "whenever an employee 'in some sense make[s] a sale.'"

Id. at 149 (quoting U.S. Dep't of Labor, Wage & Hour Div., Report

and     Recommendations       of    the    Presiding      Officer      at   Hearings

Preliminary to Redefinition 46 (1940)).                 The Department has also

"made    it   clear    that   '[e]xempt       status    should   not    depend'    on

technicalities, such as 'whether it is the sales employee or the

customer who types the order into a computer system and hits the

return    button.'"       Id.      (quoting    Defining    and    Delimiting      the

Exemptions for Executive, Administrative, Professional, Outside

Sales and Computer Employees, 69 Fed. Reg. 22,122, 22,163 (Apr.

23, 2004)).

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           Christopher thus indicates that we should consider the

plaintiffs'   situation      pragmatically,     in    the   context    of   the

relevant industry, not relying on technicalities, and without

requiring them to have obtained a firm commitment to buy in order

to determine that they "mak[e] sales" within the meaning of the

FLSA.   Taken together, these considerations support our conclusion

that Brand Reps fall within the outside sales exemption.

           Although   they    do   not   ring   up    any   purchase   at   the

register, Brand Reps do as much as practically possible to "in

some sense make[] a sale" in the retail store context in which

they operate.     Id. at 149 (quoting U.S. Dep't of Labor, Wage &

Hour Div., Report and Recommendations of the Presiding Officer at

Hearings Preliminary to Redefinition 46).               Brand Reps work to

persuade shoppers, who then can demonstrate some intention (or

"nonbinding commitment") to buy a product by placing it in their

shopping carts or baskets.      Id. at 149, 161.       As the district court

noted, "[t]he cashiers r[i]ng up the sale, but otherwise engage[]

in no sales activity of any kind.          There is no evidence that any

cashier ever attempted to persuade a customer to buy the product,

and indeed it would [be] odd for them to do so at the point of

check-out."     That is, a Brand Rep is the last person to make an

actual sales effort; the finalization process -- at the checkout

register when the cashier rings up the purchase -- is simply a

nondiscretionary,     ministerial    act   that      does   not   involve   any

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additional sales effort.    See Gregory v. First Title of Am., Inc.,

555 F.3d 1300, 1310 (11th Cir. 2009) (finding plaintiff subject to

the   outside   sales   exemption   in   part   because   there   was   "no

intervening sales effort between her efforts and the consummation

of the sale").    In short, the type of transaction at issue in this

case fits well within the broad "other disposition" catchall for

"making sales."     See Christopher, 567 U.S. at 163; 29 U.S.C. §

203(k).5

           Our conclusion, which is grounded on Christopher, the

text of the statute, and the DOL regulations, draws further support

from a recent DOL opinion letter.        This opinion letter considered

the status of employees like plaintiffs who "travel to various

retail operations such as . . . so-called big-box stores," "set up

displays in which they exhibit and demonstrate products they are

selling," and "spend most of their time pitching products to

potential customers at the various retail locations."         U.S. Dep't

of Labor, Wage & Hour Div., Opinion Letter FLSA2020-8 (June 25,

2020), at 1.     Although the DOL could not conclusively determine

whether the specific employees at issue were engaged in sales, the

letter identified the relevant inquiry as whether "the employees

are obtaining commitments from customers and being credited for

      5 We   disagree with our dissenting colleague that this
conclusion   conflicts with the FLSA's goal of protecting covered
workers.     Rather, our conclusion clarifies which workers are
covered by   the relevant statutory protections.

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the sales consummated because of their efforts."        Id. at 4.6    In

this case, Brand Reps did obtain a commitment from customers

(albeit a nonbinding one) and generally were credited with sales

made as a result of their efforts.7

                                  IV.

          Appellants     offer   several    arguments   against   their

inclusion within the outside sales exemption.       Most importantly,

they suggest that we should not be guided by Christopher because

of a key factual difference between that case and ours.              The

pharmaceutical   sales     representatives     in   Christopher      were

     6 The opinion letter was issued in response to a "request for
an opinion on whether salespeople who set up displays and perform
demonstrations at various retail locations not owned, operated, or
controlled by their employer to sell the employer's products
qualify for the outside sales exemption." Opinion Letter FLSA2020-
8, at 1. The factual situation presented in the request differs
in some ways from the situation in this case -- for example, the
employees referenced in the request spend some portion of their
time working from home.      Id.    The DOL ultimately could not
determine whether these employees working at "big-box stores" fell
within the outside sales exemption because (1) the requestor's
"description of the employees' activities does not describe
whether or how an employee obtains a commitment from the customer
to buy" and (2) "it is unclear if the employees are given credit
for the sales that were consummated specifically through their
efforts." Id. at 4.
     7 We say that Brand Reps "generally" were credited with sales
made as a result of their efforts because there is some imprecision
in the system. For example, as previously noted, a customer may
return a product it took from the Brand Rep's display station to
the shelf or take a product from the station while it is
unattended.

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prohibited by law from consummating any sales because prescription

drugs, under federal law, can be dispensed only with a doctor's

prescription.    Christopher, 567 U.S. at 150.        The sales reps

instead promoted their companies' products (prescription drugs) to

doctors but did not actually sell anything -- at most, the sales

reps would obtain "a nonbinding commitment from the physician to

prescribe [the company's] products in appropriate cases."       Id. at

151. The legal limitation on the reps' ability to consummate sales

influenced the Court's analysis:

          Obtaining a nonbinding commitment from a
          physician to prescribe one of respondent's
          drugs is the most that petitioners were able
          to do to ensure the eventual disposition of
          the products that respondent sells. This kind
          of arrangement, in the unique regulatory
          environment   within   which    pharmaceutical
          companies must operate, comfortably falls
          within the catchall category of "other
          disposition."

Id. at 165 (footnote omitted).     In an accompanying footnote, the

Court further clarified its point: "[W]hen an entire industry is

constrained by law or regulation from selling its products in the

ordinary manner, an employee who functions in all relevant respects

as an outside salesman should not be excluded from that category

based on technicalities."   Id. at 165 n.23.

          Of course, Summit's Brand Reps were not prohibited by

law from finalizing the sales at their display stations.      Instead,

they   were   constrained   by   Summit's   choice,   based   on   the

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practicalities involved in the retail store context, to have all

products rung up at the store registers.                  But as the Second Circuit

has explained, "[a]lthough Christopher noted that the regulatory

context     barred    an    employee    from    selling      the    company's   drugs

directly to a consumer without a doctor's prescription, . . .

Christopher     does       not   further    suggest       that    its   reasoning   and

interpretation of the statute and regulations" -- what we have

identified      as     its       pragmatic     approach,          not    relying     on

technicalities -- "lack[s] general applicability to other cases

arising under the FLSA."            Flood v. Just Energy Mktg. Corp., 904

F.3d 219, 230–31 (2d Cir. 2018).                    We agree that Christopher's

overall construction of the FLSA and the attendant regulations are

not limited to that case's particular facts.                     See 567 U.S. at 161-

64.8

             Plaintiffs argue that out-of-circuit case law supports

their position. They rely particularly on Hurt v. Commerce Energy,

Inc., 973 F.3d 509 (6th Cir. 2020).                 The plaintiffs there worked

as     door-to-door    solicitors,         trying    to    convince     customers   to

purchase electricity and natural gas products from their company,

Just Energy.         Id. at 514.       If interested, customers would sign

       Our dissenting colleague suggests that the scope of the
        8

outside sales exemption depends on the extent to which the relevant
industry is regulated.     But if Congress or the Supreme Court
intended to limit application of the exemption to heavily regulated
industries, they could have said as much. They did not do so.

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something called a "customer agreement," but that agreement "was

non-binding and did not finalize the transaction."          Id.     Just

Energy had complete authority to accept or reject the agreement.

Id. In practice, it would regularly reject agreements -- sometimes

due to a failed credit check, but often seemingly for purely

discretionary reasons, which were often not even communicated to

the solicitors.   Id. at 514-15, 519.       On these facts, the court

concluded that the solicitors were not "making sales."            Id. at

521.

          In reaching that conclusion, as the plaintiffs here

stress, the Hurt court found it significant that "[n]o regulatory

environment   prohibited   the    solicitors   from   controlling    and

completing the sale directly to customers."       Id. at 519.     To the

Hurt court, that fact meaningfully distinguished the case from

Christopher and in part led to the conclusion that the solicitors

were not making sales.     Id.   But as we have indicated, we do not

think that the underlying logic of Christopher can be properly

limited to situations where an employee cannot consummate a sale

because of the regulatory context.

          In any case, Hurt also seemed to rely on the fact that,

regardless of whether the arrangement was determined by law or the

choice of a business model, any customer agreement was subject to

verification and approval by Just Energy and customer agreements

were frequently rejected.        Id. at 519.    That is, Just Energy

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retained ultimate discretion to finalize the sale.                 Id.     Here, by

contrast, although customers can choose not to purchase a product

after interacting with a Brand Rep, no entity at the store other

than the Brand Rep has any discretionary role in determining

whether the sale is consummated.

             For additional support of their position, plaintiffs

point to Beauford v. ActionLink, LLC, 781 F.3d 396 (8th Cir. 2015),

in which the court determined that so-called "brand advocates"

were not subject to the outside sales exemption.                 Id. at 405.      But

the Beauford plaintiffs were hired merely "to visit retail stores,

to   train   the    retail    stores'    employees    on    how    [the    brand's]

electronics worked, and to convince those employees to recommend

[the brand's] products to customers."                Id. at 399.          The brand

advocates occasionally answered questions for customers, but their

job duties did not entail engaging customers for the purpose of

persuading them to buy a particular product.               Id.    In other words,

unlike in this case, "[b]rand advocates simply promoted products

so employees of retail stores could make sales."                  Id. at 403.

             Plaintiffs      also   suggest   that,     rather     than     "making

sales," they were engaged in non-exempt "promotional work."                       They

point to DOL regulations recognizing that potential distinction:

as   an   example    of   promotional     work,   the      regulations      cite    a

hypothetical "company representative who                visits chain stores,

arranges     the    merchandise     on   shelves,     replenishes         stock    by

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replacing old with new merchandise, sets up displays and consults

with the store manager when inventory runs low, but does not obtain

a commitment for additional purchases."          29 C.F.R. § 541.503(c).

In that scenario, "[t]he arrangement of merchandise on the shelves

or   the   replenishing    of   stock"   could   be   exempt   if   it   were

"incidental to and in conjunction with the employee's own outside

sales."     Id.    But it would not be "exempt outside sales work" if

the employee "does not consummate the sale nor direct efforts

toward the consummation of a sale."        Id.

            We find these regulations to be of limited help to

plaintiffs.       Christopher rejected the idea that these particular

regulations shed any light on the underlying inquiry here -- what

qualifies as "making a sale."        See 567 U.S. at 164 (noting that

"the promotion-work regulation distinguishes between promotion

work that is incidental to an employee's own sales and work that

is incidental to sales made by someone else," but arguing that

"this distinction tells us nothing about the meaning of 'sale'").

More fundamentally, plaintiffs are not helped by the promotion

regulations because the promotion-type work that they do (e.g.,

setting up displays) is so clearly incidental to their own sales

efforts.     Further, they are not engaging in any type of work so

that someone else can obtain a purchase commitment and consummate

the sale.

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             Plaintiffs also contend that they do not exhibit the

"external indicia" of salespeople.              In Christopher, the Supreme

Court     found   "further    support"    for     its    conclusion     that   the

pharmaceutical reps fell within the outside sales exemption in the

fact that the reps bore "all of the external indicia of salesmen."

567   U.S.   at   165.       Specifically,      the     Court   noted   that   the

pharmaceutical reps (1) "were hired for their sales experience,"

(2) "were trained to close each sales call by obtaining the maximum

commitment possible," (3) "worked away from the office, with

minimal supervision," and (4) "were rewarded for their efforts

with incentive compensation."9        Id. at 165–66.

             These "external indicia" are not helpful to plaintiffs,

even if the indicia do not precisely fit the Brand Rep position.

Many of the Brand Reps had prior sales experience, even if they

were not always specifically hired because of that experience.

They received sales training from Summit and were paid commissions

based on purchases made at their assigned stores (even if the true-

up payments were not necessarily easy to qualify for).                  And while

      9As other courts have noted, it is somewhat unclear how these
"external indicia" relate to the Court's core outside sales
analysis, which was focused on the meaning of "making sales." See
Flood, 904 F.3d at 233-34 (noting that "the regulations that define
'making sales' do not include any reference" to many of the
indicia); Vasto v. Credico (USA) LLC, 767 F. App’x 54, 57 (2d Cir.
2019) (unpublished summary order) (describing the indicia as
"arguably dicta in Christopher"). Regardless, because the Supreme
Court saw fit to mention these indicia, they warrant consideration
in our analysis.

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Brand Reps had to report their hours and provide pictures of their

display stations, they were not closely supervised on a day-to-

day or hour-to-hour basis.

            Lastly, plaintiffs point to a statement in Christopher

that the Court's holding "also comports with the apparent purpose

of   the   FLSA's   exemption   for   outside   salesmen,"   because   the

pharmaceutical sales reps there were well-paid (earning more than

$70,000 annually) and their work hours were hard to standardize.

Id. at 166.     Courts have opined that the outside sales exemption

“is premised on the belief that exempt employees 'typically earn[]

salaries well above the minimum wage' and enjoy[] other benefits

that 'se[t] them apart from the nonexempt workers entitled to

overtime pay.'"     Hurt, 973 F.3d at 522 (quoting Christopher, 567

U.S. at 166).

            It is true that, unlike the pharmaceutical reps in

Christopher, Brand Reps are not paid well above the minimum wage,

their retail-based hours would seem easy to standardize, and they

are not the beneficiaries of job-related perks.         But we think it

would be a mistake to rely on Christopher's "apparent purpose"

comment rather than the Supreme Court's reasoning regarding the

dispositive "making sales" issue.          Cf. Flood, 904 F.3d at 233

(noting that other aspects of the analysis in Christopher are

"secondary to the Supreme Court's primary analysis of whether the

'making sales' requirement was satisfied in the first place").

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Plaintiffs' arguments that they do not fall within the outside

sales exemption are thus ultimately unavailing.10

                                    V.

            In    summary,   our   analysis   of   the   FLSA,   guided   by

Christopher, leads us to the firm conclusion that plaintiffs do

"mak[e] sales" within the meaning of 29 C.F.R. § 541.500(a)(1)(i),

and thus fall within the outside sales exemption, 29 U.S.C.

§ 213(a)(1).     We therefore affirm the judgment of the district

court in Summit's favor.

          So ordered.

                    -Dissenting Opinion Follows-

     10 We are troubled by plaintiffs' serious allegations that
Summit systematically encouraged Brand Reps to underreport their
hours as a way of evading wage laws. But these allegations --
which Summit denies -- are only marginally related to our analysis
of the outside sales exemption under the FLSA. When pressed on
the connection between the two claims at oral argument, counsel
for appellants suggested that the allegations about underreporting
go to the issue of whether Brand Reps bear the "external indicia"
of salespeople if they do not control their hours and overall
compensation. As we have explained above, even if Brand Reps do
not precisely bear all the "external indicia" of salespeople, the
mixed picture provided by the "external indicia" analysis does not
outweigh our core conclusion that Brand Reps "make sales" within
the meaning of the outside sales exemption.           Whether the
underreporting allegations could support claims under state wage-
and-hour or contract law is not a question before us in this
appeal.

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              THOMPSON, Circuit Judge, dissenting.           The Supreme Court

has recognized that Congress enacted the Fair Labor Standards Act

("FLSA") "with the goal of protect[ing] all covered workers from

substandard wages and oppressive working hours."                Christopher v.

SmithKline Beecham Corp., 567 U.S. 142, 147 (2012) (internal

quotation omitted).        This fundamental purpose animates why I would

chart a different analytical path from my colleagues and would

reverse the district court's ruling, instead finding that Brand

Reps are non-exempt hourly employees entitled to overtime pay not

subject to the Outside Sales Exemption ("OSE").11

              In reaching their conclusion, my colleagues, in my

opinion, over-rely on Christopher without taking into account the

ways in which its holding is tethered to the facts of the case

that    was   before    the    Court   (facts    very   different     than   those

presented here).        There, the Court found that pharmaceutical sales

representatives        whose   primary   duty     was   to   obtain    nonbinding

commitments      from     physicians     to     prescribe    their     employers'

prescription drugs qualified as "outside salesmen."                   567 U.S. at

165.    But as I read it, Christopher's holding was wrapped up in

what constitutes a sale in the pharmaceutical industry, subject to

       Prior to this suit, Summit did in fact classify Brand Reps
       11

as non-exempt employees entitled to overtime.            The OSE
classification was only raised as part of Summit's defense in this
suit.

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extensive federal regulation, an issue not present here.        Id. at

150, 154.

            To back up slightly, it's important to be clear on who

an outside salesperson is, and what constitutes a "sale".           An

outside salesperson is defined by regulation as an employee:

               (1) Whose primary duty is:
                    (i) making sales within the meaning of
     section 3(k) of the Act, or
                    (ii) obtaining orders or contracts for
     services or for the use of facilities for which
     consideration will be paid by the client or customer;
     and
               (2) Who is customarily and regularly engaged
     away from the employer's place or places of business in
     performing such primary duty.

29 C.F.R. § 541.500(a).

            In Christopher, the Court, paraphrasing the FLSA and DOL

regulations,    offered   the   following   definition:   "an   outside

salesman is any employee whose primary duty is making any sale,

exchange, contract to sell, consignment for sale, shipment for

sale, or other disposition."     567 U.S. at 148.    The definition of

"sale" is broad, and the list of transactions defining a "sale" in

the regulations represents "an attempt to accommodate industry-

by-industry variations in methods of selling commodities."       Id. at

163-64.     The pharmaceutical sales reps at issue in Christopher

were exempt under the OSE because of the DOL's "other disposition"

phrase in the sales regulations.       Id. at 165.     Because of the

highly regulated nature of the pharmaceutical industry, the Court

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found that the non-binding commitments made by sales reps were the

closest commitment to a sale in that particular industry.     Id. at

161.   Determining whether an employee's work should be considered

"other disposition" sales requires a functional inquiry as to what

a sale would be in the particular industry.        Id.    Indeed, in

rejecting the dissent's suggestion "that any employee who does the

most that he or she is able to do in a particular position to

ensure the eventual sale of a product should qualify as an exempt

outside salesman," the majority in Christopher made clear, "our

point is that, when an entire industry is constrained by law or

regulation from selling its products in the ordinary manner, an

employee who functions in all relevant respects as an outside

salesman should not be excluded from that category based on

technicalities."   Id. at 165 n.23 (citing id. at 177 (Breyer, J.,

dissenting)).

          In this appeal, we are not scrutinizing a technicality,

and the majority's attempt to place Brand Reps in the shoes of

pharmaceutical reps for the purposes of the "making sales" analysis

is like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole.    Here, unlike

in Christopher, there is nothing highly regulated or unique about

the retail industry that prevents Brand Reps from making sales.

In contrast to the pharmaceutical industry, Summit determines how

far Brand Reps can go in their sales efforts.   So when the majority

says that "a Brand Rep is the last person to make an actual sales

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effort", it isn't because that is what the industry dictates (like

in Christopher), but rather it is Summit's preferred business model

that prevents Brand Reps from completing sales.           Indeed, the fact

that there is "no intervening sales effort" tells us nothing about

whether Brand Reps make sales, because in this context, it's

difficult to even tie the sales to the "effort" in a concrete way.

The   commissions   received   by   Brand   Reps   were   not   necessarily

tethered to their individual performance, because a customer could

pick up an item from their display without a Brand Rep knowing,

(for instance, someone could pick up one of the products they were

promoting while the Brand Rep was on a break, thereby purchasing

the product without any "sales" effort on the part of anyone),

just as a customer could seem to want a product at a display and

later discard it elsewhere in the store before checkout.              While

Christopher can provide us insight into how to evaluate when a

"sale" is made, our judicial superiors analyzed the FLSA's OSE

paradigm as it related to the facts in front of it -- facts quite

different from what we analyze today.         The majority's lock-step

loyalty to Christopher ignores this limitation, and because of

that, I depart from them.

           Our sister circuits, who've ably navigated this issue in

a way I find more persuasive, focus on the importance of obtaining

binding commitments as a cornerstone in determining who makes

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sales.12   In Hurt v. Commerce Energy, Inc., plaintiffs went door-

to-door seeking to convince customers to buy natural gas products

for the defendants.    973 F.3d 509, 514 (6th Cir. 2020), cert.

denied sub nom. Just Energy Mktg. Corp. v. Hurt, 141 S. Ct. 2720

(2021).    Once a customer became interested, there was a third-

party verification process, where the sale was not final until a

verification call happened.     Id.   The actual door-to-door sales

reps could not finalize or verify any sales.     Id.

           Here, the Sixth Circuit noted that Christopher is of

limited import because of the "unique regulatory environment of

the pharmaceutical industry."   Id. at 519.   Rather, in considering

the work performed by the Hurt plaintiffs, the court found that

"mere soliciting or inducing applications is not making sales,"

id., because "the touchstone for making a sale is . . . obtaining

a commitment," id. (alteration in original) (quoting Clements v.

Serco, Inc., 530 F.3d 1224, 1227 (10th Cir. 2008)).     Because the

plaintiffs "could only lay the groundwork," but not complete the

sale, the Sixth Circuit concluded that due to defendants' business

model, plaintiffs were not subject to the OSE.   Id. at 520 (quoting

Clements, 530 F.3d at 1229).

     12 While precedents from our sister circuits are not binding
on us, where well-reasoned decisions from our far away colleagues
can aid in analyzing the cases before us, it would be silly to
ignore them. See United States v. Tavares, 705 F.3d 4, 20 (1st
Cir. 2013) (employing the approach of looking to sister circuits).

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          The path taken in Hurt, which emphasizes the importance

of obtaining a commitment to be considered a sale, is the best

approach flowing from Christopher's reasoning when analyzing the

fate of Brand Reps as outside salespeople or not.       The job of Brand

Reps is to communicate with customers and try to convince them to

buy Summit's client's products.     Just as in Hurt, after the Brand

Rep's interaction with a customer, they have no way of knowing if

they would be credited for the sale until much after, when the

sales numbers from the retailer came in.       Id. at 514-15.

          My colleagues write off Hurt because "although customers

can choose not to purchase a product after interacting with a Brand

Rep, no entity at the store other than the Brand Reps has any

discretionary   role      in   determining    whether    the    sale   is

consummated."   In essence, they are saying, "if Brand Reps aren't

making the sales, then who is?"     It is this fundamental flaw that

weighs in favor -- not against -- seeing Brand Reps as exempt from

the OSE, and why context matters when interpreting "making sales"

in different industry environments.         It is Summit's choice that

Brand Reps don't make sales -- in fact, Summit's own website states

their mission as "grow[ing] brands [and] produc[ing] results".         In

other words, Brand Reps are better viewed as pitch men, not product

sellers or retailers.13

     13 Summit's website also states that            with respect to
retailers,  Summit  offers the  following:            "[o]ur in-store

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          Another sister circuit has addressed this issue in a

similar factual context.    See Beauford v. ActionLink, LLC, 781

F.3d 396 (8th Cir. 2015).   There, "brand advocates" employed by a

marketing services provider, who did not make direct sales (but

rather engaged in promotional activities to boost sales for an

electronics manufacturer), were not considered outside salesmen

exempt from the FLSA's overtime requirements.    Id. at 403.    The

job duties of brand advocates, as described by the Eighth Circuit,

were quite similar to that of Brand Reps here:

     ActionLink hired “brand advocates” to visit retail
     stores, to train the retail stores' employees on how LG
     electronics worked, and to convince those employees to
     recommend LG products to customers.          ActionLink
     preferred to hire brand advocates with prior sales and
     marketing experience, but it did not require this prior
     experience.   Brand advocates occupied the bottom of
     ActionLink's organizational chart.

     ActionLink typically trained brand advocates for five
     days.   It assigned every brand advocate approximately
     twenty stores to cover each week. ActionLink provided
     brand advocates with scripts, PowerPoint presentations,
     and other promotional materials to use when they visited
     stores. In addition to teaching store employees about
     LG products, the brand advocates maintained in-store LG
     displays, cleaned and repaired LG products, and spoke
     with customers who had questions about the products.
     The brand advocates' goal was to boost sales of LG
     products.   ActionLink provided each brand advocate a
     small monthly budget to use for promotional activities.
     Despite their other tasks, brand advocates did not sell
     directly to customers or to retail stores. ActionLink

demonstrations and carefully planned customer interactions create
an authentic brand interaction with your customers and drive
sales." To "drive" a sale is far different than consummating, or
making, a sale, which is why I see Brand Reps as promotional
workers. More on that later.

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     prohibited brand advocates from negotiating prices,
     making marketing decisions, and deciding what inventory
     should be ordered. Brand advocates maintained a close
     relationship with their supervisors.    They frequently
     spoke with supervisors during conference calls and
     through emails.   And at the end of each store visit,
     ActionLink required brand advocates to complete a six-
     page call report informing ActionLink exactly what the
     brand advocates did during their visits.

Id. at 399-400.

          As this lengthy description lays bare, the majority

appears to cherry-pick parts of these brand advocates' job duties

that minimize their efforts and distinguish them from Brand Reps.

However, some of the key duties that the majority fails to mention

are the most similar to Brand Reps here, such as "sp[eaking] with

customers who had questions about the products" and "boost[ing]

sales of LG products." Id. at 399. Nothing in the job descriptions

of the Brand Reps here or the brand advocates in Beauford suggests

these employees were outside salesmen as contemplated by 29 C.F.R.

§ 541.500(a).

          The Eighth Circuit also pointed out the importance of

industry differences, reasoning that

               [u]nlike    the    pharmaceutical    industry
     discussed in Christopher, the world of consumer
     electronics is not subject to a "unique regulatory
     environment" that requires a recommendation from a
     licensed professional to obtain a product. Although a
     recommendation from a sales person may help a customer
     decide to purchase a specific brand of electronics, a
     customer need not obtain a recommendation before
     purchasing a product, and the customer is not
     constrained to purchase only recommended products.
     [So,] [t]he same danger that accompanies pharmaceutical

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     drugs is not present in the electronics context . . . .
     Those retail-store employees engaged in the paradigmatic
     sale of electronics—they convinced customers to choose
     a product and helped that customer pay for it at the
     cash register.

Id. at 403.

            The same is true here.     Brand Reps can only go so far as

to promote a product, and never know (until the sales numbers come

in) whether or not a sale is actually consummated at the register

by the retail store employees, and whether their promotion (if one

even took place) had anything to do with it.14

            Satisfied that Brand Reps' activities do not constitute

making "sales" under the FLSA, I find that non-exempt promotional

work more accurately fits the bill when describing their job

duties.    In this regard, the majority advises that the regulations

surrounding    promotion    are   of    "limited   help"   because   the

regulations do not "shed any light on the underlying inquiry" into

what "make[s] a sale".     Since I've already concluded that no sales

were made, I find the promotional regulations useful as I will

explain.    As the regulation makes clear, promotion work can be

     14District courts have also come to similar conclusions. See
Gorey v. Manheim Servs. Corp., 788 F. Supp. 2d 200, 206-07
(S.D.N.Y. 2011) (employees of an automobile auction operator, who
were tasked with inducing dealers to bring cars to auction lots
and earned commissions when the cars were sold were not engaged in
outside sales); Campanelli v. Hershey Co., 765 F. Supp. 2d 1185,
1190–91 (N.D. Cal. 2011) (declining to consider retail sales
representatives (RSRs)as outside salesmen, where RSRs directly
sold products to some retailers, there was no evidence that it was
the primary duty of any RSR to make direct sales).

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performed by persons who make sales, "which may or may not be

exempt outside sales work, depending upon the circumstances under

which it is performed." 29 C.F.R. § 541.503(a).                        Having already

spelled out why I do not find Brand Reps to have engaged in exempt

work, the regulation provides additional insight into how to

categorize Brand Reps' duties. Brand Reps engage in "[p]romotional

activities designed to stimulate sales that will be made by someone

[other than the brand advocate]."             Id. § 541.503(b).          And the DOL's

example of non-exempt promotional work describes Brand Reps' work

better than I could:      "a company representative who visits chain

stores, arranges the merchandise on shelves, . . . [and] sets up

displays . . . but does not obtain a commitment for additional

purchases" is performing non-exempt work.                 Id. § 541.503(c).

            What's more -- Brand Reps do not retain the "external

indicia,"    Christopher,       567       U.S.    at    165,      of     salesmen,       a

consideration    the    Court      made    along       with    determining         if   an

employee's    position    "comports        with    the        apparent    purpose       of

the . . .    exemption[,]"            Hurt,      973    F.3d     at    522    (quoting

Christopher,    567    U.S.   at    166.)         In    Christopher,         the    Court

considered the fact that "[p]etitioners were hired for their sales

experience[,]" had "minimal supervision" and "were rewarded for

their efforts with incentive compensation" as factors supporting

the external indicia of salespeople.              Christopher, 567 U.S. 142 at

165-66.     In Hurt, the Sixth Circuit notes that where, as here,

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employees were "closely supervised" and "supervisors controlled

Plaintiff's daily schedules, including selecting the streets on

which they were to work[,]" employees' external indicia weighs

against considering them outside salespeople.           Hurt, 973 F.3d at

522.     Here, Brand Reps look much more like the Hurt employees than

the Christopher employees, and I'll explain why.

             As discussed above, Brand Reps cannot obtain commitments

from customers, which is one of the most important responsibilities

of   a   salesperson.    In   addition,   a   typical    salesperson   has

motivation to work, because typically, the more sales they make,

the more money they take home, i.e., they are "rewarded for their

efforts".     Christopher, 567 U.S. at 166.     But here, that dynamic

isn't at play.    Brand Reps have minimal independence, independence

being one of the hallmarks of a salesperson.            Brand Reps don't

have control over their schedules or work assignments; they are

given a schedule by a manager, and they clock their hours every

day.     Summit also has control over where they are assigned, and

the hours could vary based on the retailer they are assigned to

visit.     The Brand Rep doesn't choose their store assignment --

their manager does. Brand Reps are expected to send their managers

pictures of their store display so the manager would know they are

doing their job correctly.      Not to mention that their salaries,

unlike the pharmaceutical sales representatives in Christopher who

"earned an average of more than $70,000 per year," are not much

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above minimum wage.     Christopher, 567 U.S. at 166 ("The exemption

is premised on the belief that exempt employees typically earned

salaries well above the minimum wage and enjoyed other benefits

that se[t] them apart from the nonexempt workers entitled to

overtime pay."(internal quotations omitted)).             These factors, when

viewed together using a functional, industry-wide analysis, weigh

in favor of a finding that Brand Reps are not outside salesmen.

           Taking together the analytical paths travelled by sister

circuits and mindful of the instructive considerations and factors

those cases lay out, on the facts of this case, I'm compelled to

reach the opposite conclusion from my colleagues in the majority.

Ever mindful of the legislative goal of the FLSA -- to protect

employees from unfair employment practices -- I'll end where I

began:    with   an   outcome   weighing   in     favor    of   employee   pay,

compelling a reversal of the district court's ruling and finding

that   Brand   Reps   are   non-exempt   hourly    employees     entitled    to

overtime pay.

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