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Filed 3/15/21 P. v. Honablezh CA3
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                IN THE COURT OF APPEAL OF THE STATE OF CALIFORNIA
                                      THIRD APPELLATE DISTRICT
                                                     (Sacramento)
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 THE PEOPLE,                                                                                   C089253

                    Plaintiff and Respondent,                                    (Super. Ct. No. 18FE015475)

           v.

 SEKOU TOURE HONABLEZH,

                    Defendant and Appellant.

         Defendant Sekou Toure Honablezh robbed two victims of their bikes and
belongings at knife point. At the scene of the incident, one of the victims told an officer
what happened; this conversation was recorded on the officer’s body camera. At trial, the
victim did not testify but the video of her conversation with the officer was admitted.
Defendant was found guilty of robbery, assault with a deadly weapon, and dissuasion of a
witness through threat of force. On appeal, defendant argues that admitting the victim’s
statement to police violated the confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment to the

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Federal Constitution because the statements were testimonial. Agreeing with defendant,
we reverse.
                 FACTUAL AND PROCEDURAL BACKGROUND
       Early one morning defendant and codefendant Jacklyn Patrick encountered Stacy
G. and Jamal M. on a bike trail. Defendant grabbed Stacy around the neck, held a knife
to her throat, and demanded she and Jamal give him everything. After defendant and
Patrick took Jamal’s and Stacy’s backpacks and bikes, Jamal and Stacy flagged down a
truck and used the driver’s phone to call 911. The 911 call was made at 6:49 a.m.
       Two police officers initially responded to the call, describing the scene as “pretty
chaotic at first.” They saw defendant riding a bike and holding another and ordered him
to get off the bike and get down on the ground. Defendant began heading away from
them towards Stacy and Jamal, who were about 50 to 75 yards away. Stacy and Jamal
started running away from defendant. The two officers detained and handcuffed
defendant. Another officer detained Patrick who had walked about 100 yards in the
opposite direction of defendant, other officers, and the victims. One officer heard
someone, maybe Jamal, say the defendant had a gun. But the other officer did not
remember hearing anything about a gun.
       After these officers had detained defendant, Officer Maryna Stanionis arrived at
the scene at about 7:05 a.m. One of the officers was speaking with Jamal and asked
Officer Stanionis to speak to Stacy. Officer Stanionis first made sure defendant was
“detained properly and was no longer a threat” to the other officers and then spoke with
Stacy at around 7:10 a.m., taking her 20 feet or so from the other officer and Jamal.
Stacy appeared “freaked out,” “terrified,” and “jumping all over the place talking
extremely fast, very scattered” and had cuts on both of her knees. Officer Stanionis
spoke with Stacy and she described what occurred.

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        Stacy did not testify at trial1 but Officer Stanionis wore a body camera during her
interview of Stacy and portions of this video were played at trial after the court held an
Evidence Code section 402 hearing on the statements, which we discuss post. The
video’s transcript of the portion admitted at trial stated:
        “[Officer Stanionis]: There’s another vic- I guess there’s another victim that
Asvitt’s with.
        “Dispatch: (Unintelligible) 11 I’m out with another party involved in this whole
situation.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Southward.
        “Dispatch: Uh, north of the park.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Southward.
        “Dispatch: (Unintelligible) catch a plate - 7 William Union Frank 9
(unintelligible).
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Okay. Are you hurt?[2]
        “[Stacy]: Yeah (unintelligible) he (unintelligible) my neck.[3]
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Who had a gun?
        “[Stacy]: No one had a gun. We don’t have a gun.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Okay.

1   The record does not disclose the reason for Stacy not testifying at trial.
2 This is when Officer Stanionis begins speaking with Stacy, after talking with dispatch
through her radio.
3 In the video, Stacy briefly shows Officer Stanionis her neck, but no injury is readily
apparent.

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        “[Stacy]: We walked down the street me and him (unintelligible) the dude riding
bikes. He goes there he goes you guys are sisters right? And we’re like we
(unintelligible) I said – I was.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Take a deep breath. Thanks for coming.[4]
        “[Stacy]: (Unintelligible) right? So we’re like (unintelligible) he’s like oh you got
any weed? I said no we ain’t got no weed. Then we made a joke I said oh yeah we got
weed. And we walked away and he’s like give me that weed. I was like we ain’t got no
weed. So that’s when he starts like trying to stab us – stab me and he pushed me down.
He has my bike. Him and his girl. The girl was – the heavy set lady. She’s like just
give him everything. I was like we don’t have nothing. Took my bag – he ripped the
fucking bag. He fucking tried to stab me.
        “Dispatch: Bravo 35 from (unintelligible).
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Go ahead.
        “[Stacy]: He broke my (unintelligible) broke my bag – he (unintelligible) bike.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: He was with the heavy set girl?
        “[Stacy]: Yeah. She’s right over there.[5] She took off on the bike when – while
they were (unintelligible).
        “Dispatch: Yeah I opened the gate in Discovery Park for the bike trail there and
(unintelligible) did you lock it on your way back out?
        “[Stacy]: (Unintelligible) this bags.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: A black girl?

4   Officer Stanionis says “Thanks for coming” to an officer driving away in a police car.
5   Stacy points down the bike trail to the other group of police.

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        “[Stacy]: A Mexican chick. Fat Mexican chick. That’s that dude’s bag right
there and mine’s the – mine’s the purple one. It says, um, uh, oh it’s purple and a little
smaller than a mini bike but that’s that dude’s backpack there.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Okay. Take a deep breath.
        “[Stacy]: I have anxiety attacks really bad.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Okay. Take a deep breath.
        “[Stacy]: And he’s all – he’s all I know who you are. He’s all I know who you
are – I see your face. He’s like if I see you out here and you call the police I’m gonna
kill you. So he got – he started threatening me – I mean he made death – death threats to
me, uh, we’re not nothing we’re just (unintelligible) down here. I don’t even know him
for nothing. I don’t. He’s like I know your face – I said what’s my name? He goes I’ll
stab you – we (unintelligible) back and forth back and forth.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Okay.
        “[Stacy]: She’s got my other phone. There’s my knife.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Wait. Don’t grab that right in front of a police officer.
Come on.
        “[Stacy]: Sorry.
        “[Officer Stanionis]: Don’t do that.
        “[Stacy]: Okay sorry.”
        Defendant was charged with two counts of robbery (Pen. Code, § 211),6 one count
of assault with a deadly weapon (§ 245, subd. (a)(1)), and one count of dissuading a
witness with the enhancement it was done with threat of force or violence (§§ 136.1,
subd. (b)(1), 136.2, subd. (c)(1)). It was also alleged defendant personally used a deadly

6   Undesignated statutory references are to the Penal Code.

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and dangerous weapon in commission of the robberies and witness dissuasion (§ 12022,
subd. (b)(1)), he had five prior prison terms (§ 667.5, subd. (b)), and two prior serious
felony convictions (§ 667.5, subd. (a)). The jury found defendant guilty on all counts and
found true all enhancements except the use of a deadly weapon enhancement for the
dissuasion conviction.
          In a bifurcated hearing, the trial court found the prior conviction allegations true,
with the exception of one, which was withdrawn by the prosecution, and granted
defendant’s motion to strike the prior prison and prior serious felony convictions. The
court sentenced defendant to 25 years to life on all four counts, staying the sentence on
the assault with a deadly weapon conviction, and imposed a year for each personal use of
a firearm for a total indeterminate term of 75 years to life and determinate term of two
years.7
                                          DISCUSSION
          Defendant argues the trial court’s admission of Stacy’s statements violated the
Sixth Amendment’s confrontation clause. He contends the statements were testimonial
because the emergency had abated, the scene was controlled, and Officer Stanionis was
eliciting information on past events. As a testimonial statement, defendant had a
constitutional right to confront Stacy even if the statements were admissible under state
evidentiary rules; and the admission of Stacy’s statements was prejudicial. He argues
that even if the statements are nontestimonial, his conviction for witness dissuasion
violates due process because it was entirely based on one hearsay statement.

7 The People note the clerk’s minutes mistakenly state the jury returned a true finding on
the weapon allegation for witness dissuasion and the abstract of judgment mistakenly lists
counts 2 and 4 as concurrent rather than consecutive. Because we are reversing the
judgment and remanding for retrial, these errors do not require correction.

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       The People counter Stacy’s statements were nontestimonial because Officer
Stanionis’s primary purpose in speaking with Stacy was to investigate an ongoing
emergency. Officer Stanionis arrived onto a chaotic scene while defendant was still
being detained, and spoke to Stacy, who was clearly agitated, to discern who was
involved and what was happening. Further, Stacy volunteered the bulk of her statements
without any prompting from Officer Stanionis. Defendant’s arguments are more
persuasive.
Additional Background
       Prior to trial, the court held an evidentiary hearing on admitting Stacy’s statements
to Officer Stanionis given that Stacy would not be testifying. Officer Stanionis testified
at the hearing, consistent with her trial testimony, that she did not begin talking with
Stacy until defendant was detained. She did not have an independent recollection, but
stated she “wouldn’t have walked away from the two [other officers] without [defendant]
being fully secured and detained.” Officer Stanionis also knew other officers were with
Patrick, though she also could not remember if she knew whether Patrick was a victim or
another suspect. The other officers then asked her to speak with Stacy, which Officer
Stanionis understood to mean that she would take Stacy’s statement.
       Officer Stanionis explained Stacy was “extremely shaken up” and “was trying to
get out the information about what had happened.” It was a “very active scene” and she
first wanted to know whether Stacy was hurt and if she needed to get Stacy medical
attention as she noticed cuts on Stacy’s knees. Officer Stanionis also testified she asked
about a gun because she was “trying to assess the scene for officer safety. [She did]n’t
remember if [she] specifically had information that there was a gun or if [the officers]
were just going off of the robbery aspect of” the incident.
       Officer Stanionis confirmed she was “absolutely” still “assessing the scene” and
did not know who exactly was a suspect or a victim. She did know Patrick was with
other officers, but she didn’t know Patrick was a suspect until Stacy said Patrick was

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involved. Officer Stanionis also testified she was still responding to the ongoing
emergency when she was told to contact Stacy. Normally, Officer Stanionis begins
witness statements with asking what happened and then letting the witness talk. For
Stacy, Officer Stanionis testified she was not taking her statement until she asked “where
did this whole thing start,” which she asked shortly after telling Stacy to not pick up her
knife and had Stacy sit down.
       The trial court ruled admissible the initial portion of Stacy’s interview, until right
before Officer Stanionis asked “where did this whole thing start.” The court found these
initial statements to be spontaneous under state law and nontestimonial under the
confrontation clause because Officer Stanionis was assessing the scene and the primary
purpose of the interview was to determine whether there was still an emergency.
The Confrontation Clause
       The confrontation clause of the Sixth Amendment provides that, “[i]n all criminal
prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right . . . to be confronted with the witnesses
against him.” (U.S. Const., 6th Amend.) The confrontation clause only applies to
testimonial statements. In Crawford v. Washington (2004) 541 U.S. 36 [158 L.Ed.2d
177], the Supreme Court concluded, “[w]here nontestimonial hearsay is at issue, it is
wholly consistent with the Framers’ design to afford the States flexibility in their
development of hearsay law . . . . Where testimonial evidence is at issue, however, the
Sixth Amendment demands what the common law required: unavailability and a prior
opportunity for cross-examination.” (Id. at p. 68.) Thus, to satisfy the confrontation
clause, testimonial statements cannot be admitted unless (1) the witness was unavailable
and (2) the defendant had a prior opportunity for cross-examination. (Id. at p. 40; Davis
v. Washington (2006) 547 U.S. 813, 821 [165 L.Ed.2d 224] (Davis).) Crawford left “for
another day any effort to spell out a comprehensive definition of ‘testimonial.’ ”
(Crawford, at p. 68.)

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       The Supreme Court defined testimonial in Davis, supra, 547 U.S. 813, and its
companion Hammon v. Indiana (case No. 05-5705) (Hammon). In these cases, the court
established, “Statements are nontestimonial when made in the course of police
interrogation under circumstances objectively indicating that the primary purpose of the
interrogation is to enable police assistance to meet an ongoing emergency. They are
testimonial when the circumstances objectively indicate that there is no such ongoing
emergency, and that the primary purpose of the interrogation is to establish or prove past
events potentially relevant to later criminal prosecution.” (Id. at p. 822.)
       Applying this framework, the Supreme Court found the statements in Davis
nontestimonial but the statements in Hammon testimonial. In Davis, a victim of domestic
abuse called 911 during an attack and described what was happening by responding to the
operator’s questions, including identifying the defendant. (Davis, supra, 547 U.S. at
pp. 817-818.) The court found these were nontestimonial because the victim “was
speaking about events as they were actually happening, rather than ‘describ[ing] past
events.’ ” (Id. at p. 827.) “[T]he circumstances of [the victim’s] interrogation objectively
indicate its primary purpose was to enable police assistance to meet an ongoing
emergency. She simply was not acting as a witness; she was not testifying. . . . [citation]
. . . No ‘witness’ goes into court to proclaim an emergency and seek help.” (Id. at
p. 828.)
       In Hammon, police responded to a domestic abuse call and first found the wife
outside, appearing “ ‘somewhat frightened’ ” but she said nothing happened. (Davis,
supra, 547 U.S. at pp. 819-820.) When an officer interviewed her separately inside the
home, asking “ ‘what had occurred,’ ” she detailed physical abuse by her husband,
describing the abuse in a battery affidavit. (Id. at p. 820.) The Supreme Court found
these were “easi[ly]” testimonial because “[i]t is entirely clear from the circumstances
that the interrogation was part of an investigation into possibly criminal past conduct”
and there “was no emergency in progress; the interrogating officer testified that he had

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heard no arguments or crashing and saw no one throw or break anything.” (Id. at p. 829.)
When the officer interviewed her, “he was not seeking to determine (as in Davis) ‘what is
happening,’ but rather ‘what happened.’ Objectively viewed, the primary, if not indeed
the sole, purpose of the interrogation was to investigate a possible crime—which is, of
course, precisely what the officer should have done.” (Id. at p. 830.) It did not matter it
was not a formal interrogation at a police station, the statements recounted “how
potentially criminal past events began and progressed” and “took place some time after
the events described were over. Such statements under official interrogation are an
obvious substitute for live testimony, because they do precisely what a witness does on
direct examination; they are inherently testimonial.” (Ibid.)
       The Supreme Court further clarified the testimonial analysis in Michigan v. Bryant
(2011) 562 U.S. 344 [179 L.Ed.2d 93] (Bryant). There, police interviewed a gunshot
victim at a gas station while he was lying on the ground next to his car. “The police
asked him ‘what had happened, who had shot him, and where the shooting had
occurred.’ ” (Id. at p. 349.) The victim told them he was shot at the defendant’s house,
and the police left to investigate after emergency medical services arrived; the victim
died shortly after. (Id. at pp. 349-350.)
       The Supreme Court’s analysis focused on the meaning of an “ongoing emergency”
and whether it “extends beyond an initial victim to a potential threat to the responding
police and the public at large.” (Bryant, supra, 562 U.S. at p. 359.) It first determined
courts must “objectively evaluate the circumstances in which the encounter occurs and
the statements and actions of the parties.” (Ibid.) “[T]he relevant inquiry is not the
subjective or actual purpose of the individuals involved in a particular encounter, but
rather the purpose that reasonable participants would have had, as ascertained from the
individuals’ statements and actions and the circumstances in which the encounter
occurred.” (Id. at p. 360.) The court also determined the existence of an ongoing
emergency “is among the most important circumstances informing the ‘primary purpose’

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of an interrogation” because it helps discern whether the participants are concerned with
“something other than ‘prov[ing] past events potentially relevant to later criminal
prosecution.’ ” (Id. at p. 361.) But existence of an emergency is not the only factor and
is to be considered along with other factors such as the formality of the interrogation and
the statements and actions of the declarant and interrogator. For the latter, the court
confirmed the actions and statements of both participants in the interrogations must be
examined to confirm the interview’s primary purpose. (Id. at pp. 366-367.)
       The Bryant court determined the dying victim’s statements to police were
primarily to address an ongoing emergency and therefore were nontestimonial. From the
victim’s perspective, the Supreme Court could not say a person in the victim’s “situation
would have had a ‘primary purpose’ ‘to establish or prove past events potentially relevant
to later criminal prosecution.’ ” (Bryant, supra, 562 U.S. at pp. 375.) From the police’s
perspective, they were responding to a gunshot call and were trying to “solicit[] the
information necessary to enable them ‘to meet an ongoing emergency.’ ” (Id. at p. 376.)
The court also found the interrogation’s informality was akin to the 911 call in Davis.
Thus, “[b]ecause the circumstances of the encounter as well as the statements and actions
of [the victim] and the police objectively indicate that the ‘primary purpose of the
interrogation’ was ‘to enable police assistance to meet an ongoing emergency,’ [citation],
[the victim’s] identification and description of the shooter and the location of the
shooting were not testimonial hearsay.” (Id. at pp. 377-378.)
       Our state’s high court distilled Bryant’s analysis into six factors to consider in
determining the primary purpose of the challenged statement: (1) the circumstances of
the encounter along with the statements and actions of the parties, inquiring not as to the
subjective or actual purpose of the individuals involved in the encounter, but rather the
purpose that reasonable participants would have had based on the participants’ statements
and actions; (2) whether objectively there was or appeared to be an ongoing emergency;
(3) whether an ongoing emergency existed is a highly context-dependent inquiry; (4) the

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medical condition of the declarant, which bears on both the injured declarant’s purpose in
speaking and the potential scope of the emergency; (5) whether a nontestimonial
encounter addressing an emergency evolved, converting subsequent statements into
testimonial statements; and (6) regardless of the existence of an emergency, the
informality of the statement and the circumstances of its acquisition. (People v.
Blacksher (2011) 52 Cal.4th 769, 813-815.)
Standard of Review
       On appeal, we independently review whether an otherwise admissible pretrial
hearsay statement was testimonial such that its admission would violate the confrontation
clause. (People v. Nelson (2010) 190 Cal.App.4th 1453, 1466.) This standard of review
is particularly appropriate here, where we have had the benefit of reviewing the video of
Officer Stanionis and Stacy’s discussion. (People v. Giron-Chamul (2016)
245 Cal.App.4th 932, 964.)
Analysis of Stacy’s Statements
       The People do not dispute that Stacy was unavailable nor that defendant had no
prior opportunity to cross-examine her. Thus, to satisfy the confrontation clause it must
be shown Stacy’s statements were nontestimonial.8 We conclude portions of Stacy’s
statements to Officer Stanionis admitted at trial were testimonial.

8 The People also argue the confrontation clause is satisfied because the statements meet
the spontaneous statements hearsay exception under California Evidence Code section
1240. This is incorrect. To be admissible under the confrontation clause, statements
satisfying Evidence Code section 1240 must still be nontestimonial if the witness was not
unavailable or there was no prior opportunity to cross-examine. (People v. Fayed (2020)
9 Cal.5th 147, 168; cf. People v. Blacksher, supra, 52 Cal.4th at pp. 811, 813, 816-817
[“the touchstone questions are . . . whether the statement is otherwise admissible under a
hearsay exception, and, if so, whether the statement is testimonial”].)

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       An objective analysis of the circumstances establishes the primary purpose of the
discussion between Officer Stanionis and Stacy when she made statements implicating
defendant was to the investigate possible past crimes. The past-present distinction is
critical to the testimonial analysis—was the interrogation about what is happening or
what happened? The bulk of their conversation here was about what happened. Stacy
described how defendant approached her and Jamal while biking, assaulted her, and took
their bikes and belongings. Stacy then said defendant threatened to kill her if she called
the police. Unlike the 911 call in Davis or the dying victim’s statements in Bryant, this
does not pertain to anything happening at the time of the conversation, such as an
ongoing emergency. Instead, like the abused wife in Hammon, these statements are
exclusively past-looking pertaining to potential criminal conduct.
       The statements at issue were not to address an ongoing emergency because
defendant and Patrick were already detained some 50 to 75 yards away. Officer
Stanionis testified she ensured defendant was detained before she began speaking with
Stacy. And though she was not certain of Patrick’s involvement, she knew officers were
with her, so Patrick could not be an ongoing threat either way. Stacy also knew that
Patrick had been detained as she identified Patrick as the person with police further down
the bike trail. Both the interrogator and declarant therefore knew that all other parties
involved in the incident were in police custody.
       The lack of an ongoing emergency is further supported by a review of the body
camera video. In the video, police are leaving the scene when Officer Stanionis first
begins speaking with Stacy, and Officer Stanionis thanks a departing officer. This officer
was heading in the opposite direction of the other group of officers that had detained
defendant and Patrick, establishing the officer was not leaving to further assist in this
incident. Additionally, another officer can be seen about 10 yards away with a notepad
out interviewing Jamal, who is sitting down. The objective interpretation is that the

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police officers believed the scene was secured, any emergency had abated, and they were
now investigating what had happened.
       Stacy was also not having an urgent medical emergency. Officer Stanionis
testified at the evidentiary hearing one of the purposes of her initial contact with Stacy
was to assess whether Stacy needed medical attention. Stacy said she was hurt, showing
Officer Stanionis her neck where defendant held her, and Officer Stanionis noticed
abrasions on her knees. However, Officer Stanionis must have determined no medical
attention was needed because she never called for medical support throughout her
interview with Stacy. Unlike the victim in Bryant, who police interviewed before
medical support arrived while he was bleeding to death, there is no evidence Stacy ever
needed or received any medical attention.
       With all parties detained and no medical or any other ongoing emergency, there
was no purpose for Officer Stanionis’s discussion with Stacy other than to discuss
possible past crimes, which is confirmed by Stacy’s statements about defendant’s earlier
conduct.
       The interrogation did, however, begin as an assessment for a possible emergency.
As noted in Davis, nontestimonial statements can become testimonial when the
emergency abates and the declarant begins to describe what happened, as opposed to
what is happening. (Davis, supra, 547 U.S. at p. 830.) Officer Stanionis’s testimony
here shows this shifting. When Officer Stanionis arrived on the scene, she testified it was
chaotic and she was responding to an ongoing emergency; this is supported by the other
officers’ testimony. But the scene changed from chaotic to calm when the officers
detained defendant and Patrick and Officer Stanionis confirmed Stacy’s medical situation
and the absence of a gun. Officer Stanionis’s questions “Are you hurt?” and “Who had a
gun?” were objectively to assess the scope of a possible emergency. If Stacy required
medical attention or a gun was on the scene, the purpose of the interrogation would likely
have instead been to address those pressing concerns. But once Officer Stanionis

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confirmed there was no medical emergency and no gun, the potential for an ongoing
emergency ended. Stacy then began providing information on historical events. (See
Bryant, supra, 562 U.S. at p. 365 [“This evolution may occur if, for example, a declarant
provides police with information that makes clear that what appeared to be an emergency
is not or is no longer an emergency”].)
       Even though Stacy may have still been under the influence of the recently
concluded emergency, as evidenced by her rapid speech and stressed manner, the
emergency no longer existed. The confrontation clause does not require declarants to be
calm for statements to be testimonial. (Cf. People v. Cage (2007) 40 Cal.4th 965, 972,
991 [finding statements to police officer in a hospital where teenage victim still
“ ‘seemed scared’ ” from recent stabbing were nonetheless testimonial and barred by the
confrontation clause].)
       Drawing the testimonial line at when Officer Stanionis asked “where did this all
start,” as the trial court did, improperly focuses on Officer Stanionis’s subjective
perspective. Officer Stanionis testified she generally begins taking witness statements by
asking the witness when an incident started. But it is not determinative that Officer
Stanionis had not asked substantive questions of Stacy until she asked this question
because the testimonial inquiry is not wholly dependent on the interrogator’s
statements—“it is in the final analysis the declarant’s statements, not the interrogator’s
questions, that the Confrontation Clause requires us to evaluate.” (Davis, supra, 547 U.S.
at p. 822, fn. 1.) Stacy was already explaining what had happened before Officer
Stanionis asked the question, so asking Stacy “where did this all start” does not provide
any independent indication that an emergency suddenly ended. The circumstances
instead establish the question’s purpose was to have Stacy start from the beginning so
that Officer Stanionis could get the full picture in a coherent manner because Stacy was
talking quickly and erratically. And if Officer Stanionis wanted information pertaining to
an ongoing emergency, or some other purpose other than to investigate a crime, she

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would have stopped Stacy from describing what happened and asked her questions
assessing the scope of the emergency, such as whether there was anybody else remaining
that posed a threat, like the officers in Bryant. Instead Officer Stanionis allowed Stacy to
continue describing defendant’s possible crimes, making sure Stacy took a breath and
calmed down in order to provide the information. The line drawn by the trial court was
therefore not properly tied to the considerations of the confrontation clause.
       Finally, the formality of the interrogation is a further indicator of the testimonial
nature of Stacy’s statements. Formal interrogations at a police station are at the opposite
end of a scale from informal interrogations at an evolving crime scene. This factor is also
related to the emergency analysis—an interview during an emergency is less likely to
have the indications of a formal interrogation. Here, like the emergency analysis, the
manner in which the statements were taken displayed greater formality. Officers had
already secured the scene by detaining defendant and Patrick. One officer was already
speaking with Jamal and asked Officer Stanionis to speak with Stacy. Officer Stanionis
testified the officer probably meant he wanted her to take Stacy’s statement. They then
walked 20 feet or so away to talk alone, apart from the other officer and Jamal. These
circumstances evidence a shift from emergency abatement into a formal investigatory
process. This is comparable to Hammon, where police interviewed the victim in her
house in a separate room from the husband shortly after the domestic disturbance. The
separation of witnesses after the conclusion of an emergency further indicates the
collection of an investigatory statement, as opposed to information to assist in the
emergency. This is dissimilar to the hurried on-scene interview in Bryant, where the
victim was dying and the man who shot him was still at large and police were trying to
quickly and informally gather information.
       Overall, the circumstances here are much more like Hammon than Davis and
Bryant. The interview may have started like Davis and Bryant, with a chaotic scene and
an ongoing emergency. But after the suspects had been detained, the officers ensured

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there was no gun, and ensured there was no medical emergency, the circumstances
shifted towards the Hammon end of the spectrum and primarily became an investigation
of what happened. We therefore find the primary purpose of Stacy’s statements was to
collect information about what happened for use in a later prosecution, even if it was the
scene of a crime after a threatening situation. (See Davis, supra, 547 U.S. at p. 832
[“where [the wife’s] statements were neither a cry for help nor the provision of
information enabling officers immediately to end a threatening situation, the fact that
they were given at an alleged crime scene and were ‘initial inquiries’ is immaterial”].)
Conclusion
       We conclude Stacy’s statements to Officer Stanionis after she informed her there
was no gun were testimonial. Because Stacy was unavailable and defendant did not have
an opportunity to cross-examine her, the statements were admitted in violation of
defendant’s confrontation rights.
       We also conclude the violation of defendant’s confrontation rights were
prejudicial, and the People do not contend otherwise. Stacy’s statements may have been
the only evidence supporting defendant’s conviction for witness dissuasion through force
or fear, and likely supported the other convictions. As we cannot conclude the error was
harmless beyond a reasonable doubt, we must reverse the conviction. (Chapman v.
California (1967) 386 U.S. 18, 24 [17 L.Ed.2d 705]; People v. Rutterschmidt (2012)
55 Cal.4th 650, 661.)9

9 Because we find the statements testimonial, and therefore inadmissible, we need not
address defendant’s additional argument that the witness dissuasion conviction based
entirely on one hearsay statement violates due process.

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                                    DISPOSITION
      The judgment is reversed, and the matter is remanded for retrial.10

                                                    /s/
                                                RAYE, P. J.

We concur:

    /s/
ROBIE, J.

   /s/
MAURO, J.

10 The People may retry defendant because the evidence, including that which was
erroneously admitted, was sufficient to support defendant’s conviction. (Lockhart v.
Nelson (1988) 488 U.S. 33, 40 [102 L.Ed.2d 265]; see People v. Venegas (1998)
18 Cal.4th 47, 95.)

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