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NOTICE                       2023 IL App (4th) 210160-U
                                                                                            FILED
This Order was filed under
                                 NOS. 4-21-0160, 4-21-0161, 4-21-0364 cons.                 May 9, 2023
Supreme Court Rule 23 and is                                                               Carla Bender
not precedent except in the                                                            4th District Appellate
limited circumstances allowed           IN THE APPELLATE COURT
                                                                                             Court, IL
under Rule 23(e)(1).
                                                 OF ILLINOIS

                                             FOURTH DISTRICT

        THE PEOPLE OF THE STATE OF ILLINOIS,                        )    Appeal from the
                   Plaintiff-Appellee,                              )    Circuit Court of
                   v.                                               )    Livingston County
        JONATHAN A. CHAMBERS,                                       )    Nos. 16CF298,
                   Defendant-Appellant.                             )         16CF299,
                                                                    )         17CF107
                                                                    )
                                                                    )    Honorable
                                                                    )    Jennifer H. Bauknecht,
                                                                         Judge Presiding.

                      JUSTICE KNECHT delivered the judgment of the court.
                      Justices Turner and Cavanagh concurred in the judgment.
                                                    ORDER

     ¶1       Held: (1) Defendant has not established he was denied the effective assistance of
                    counsel when counsel failed to object to the admission of allegedly overly
                    prejudicial statements during police interviews when the record establishes no
                    reasonable probability the outcome of the trial would have been different had
                    counsel made the objection.

                      (2) The Krankel inquiries into defendant’s pro se posttrial claims of ineffective
                      assistance of counsel were adequate.

                      (3) Defendant failed to establish plain error in the admission of an alleged
                      statement as hearsay.

     ¶2               In this consolidated appeal of three separate direct appeals, defendant, Jonathan

     Chambers, seeks the reversal of three separate convictions. Two of the convictions are for

     unlawful delivery of a controlled substance (720 ILCS 570/401(d)(i) (West 2016)). The third

     conviction is for attempted harassment of a witness (720 ILCS 5/8-4(a), 32-4a(a)(2) (West
2016)). Defendant was sentenced to concurrent five-year terms of imprisonment for the

unlawful-delivery offenses and sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment for attempted

harassment, to be served consecutively to the concurrent five-year terms. Among the arguments

raised in his appeals are claims he was denied the right to the effective assistance of counsel at

trial; the preliminary inquiries pursuant to People v. Krankel, 102 Ill. 2d 181, 464 N.E.2d 1045

(1984), were inadequate; and hearsay was improperly admitted. We affirm.

¶3                                      I. BACKGROUND

¶4                      A. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 16-CF-298

¶5             In case No. 16-CF-298, defendant was charged with the September 2016 unlawful

delivery of a controlled substance, less than one gram of heroin, to a confidential source and tried

before a jury in August 2017.

¶6             At trial, in addition to witness testimony, the jury heard two video recordings of

police interrogations of defendant. The confidential source, Amy Spaniol, was the first to testify.

¶7             According to Spaniol, she agreed to purchase drugs for the police. On September

13, 2016, Spaniol learned she could buy heroin from Angela Huffman. She contacted Inspector

Zachary Benning to inform him of this opportunity. Spaniol then met with Inspector Benning.

She and her vehicle were searched. Inspector Benning gave Spaniol $40 to purchase the heroin.

Spaniol left in her vehicle to pick up Huffman at Huffman’s home. The two drove to Sherman

Avenue in Pontiac. There, defendant, whom she had not seen before this day, approached the

vehicle on a bicycle. He leaned into the passenger window. Huffman handed defendant the

money. Defendant handed Huffman the heroin. Huffman then gave the heroin to Spaniol. The

interaction with defendant lasted “probably” 10 to 15 seconds. Spaniol returned Huffman to her

house. Spaniol drove to the police station to meet with Inspector Benning and to give him the

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heroin.

¶8             According to Spaniol, she had not purchased drugs for the police before that day.

Spaniol agreed to participate in the controlled buy because she “needed to do something to make

up for what [she] did.” Spaniol testified she had a case pending where she pleaded guilty to

possession of heroin and was awaiting sentencing. When Spaniol was asked if she hoped the

sentencing court would take into account her work as a confidential source, Spaniol stated,

“There’s no guarantee of that.”

¶9             Inspector Benning testified he worked as a narcotics officer with the Livingston

County Sheriff’s Office. After Spaniol contacted him regarding an opportunity to purchase

heroin, he met with her. A female correctional officer searched Spaniol. Inspector Benning and

Officer Brian Maier searched Spaniol’s vehicle. No contraband or anything larger than “loose

change” were found. Officers, including Inspector Benning, followed and observed Spaniol

during the controlled buy. The location of the transaction was moved twice while Spaniol was

being surveilled. Inspector Benning learned of the changes in location through text messages he

was receiving from Spaniol as she was driving. Inspector Benning observed defendant ride the

bicycle away from Spaniol’s car. At the sheriff’s department, Spaniol handed two bags of heroin

to Inspector Benning.

¶ 10           Inspector Benning interviewed defendant about this transaction in December

2016. The interview did not occur earlier due to a pending investigation. A video of this

interview was played for the jury. According to the video, which is a little over three minutes

long, Inspector Benning asked defendant how long he had been selling heroin in Pontiac.

Defendant responded he mostly got it for himself. From time to time, defendant had given heroin

to someone for free. Defendant admitted he had charged someone before. When he did, he

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charged $10 for a bag. Defendant could not remember the last time he had provided heroin to

someone. Inspector Benning informed defendant they watched him deliver to a confidential

source while on a bike. Defendant asked, “On a bike?” Defendant shook his head and said, “I

don’t know.” Inspector Benning informed defendant that transaction from a bicycle occurred in

September. Defendant said he could not “picture that date.” Defendant denied selling heroin to

Angela Huffman. He said he hung out with her “a lot” and Huffman got heroin from everyone.

Defendant said Huffman was never a passenger in a car when he was on a bike. Defendant had

not seen Huffman sitting on the passenger side of a car “ever.” Huffman always rode in the

backseat. Inspector Benning told defendant he saw him throw a bag of heroin at her.

¶ 11           Inspector Benning testified, after the interview, as he was walking with defendant

from the sheriff’s department to the jail, defendant said he wanted to work for the police and help

himself. Inspector Benning declined, saying he did not trust defendant as defendant was not

being honest with him. Defendant then “admitted that he probably did it[,] but he [didn’t]

remember exactly doing it.”

¶ 12           On cross-examination, Inspector Benning testified sometimes it was normal

operating procedure to have “an audio overhear” or microphone on the confidential source. That

was not done in this case. Inspector Benning also stated the transaction was not videotaped as the

vehicles were moving and he believed it was unsafe to drive and record with his cell phone.

Huffman was the original target of the controlled buy. Inspector Benning agreed Huffman was

not searched. Inspector Benning did not observe the transaction. He only saw defendant as he

was walking away. At that time, defendant “was approximately maybe a couple hundred feet”

from him. Defendant was not stopped or interrogated that day. Marked money used to purchase

the heroin was not recovered.

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¶ 13           Officer Maier, a police officer with the Dwight police department, testified he

assisted Inspector Benning with the September 13, 2016, controlled buy. On that day, Officer

Maier saw defendant on a bicycle. Defendant rode the bicycle to the passenger side of a vehicle.

Within seconds of his arrival, defendant reached inside the passenger window with a closed fist.

When defendant pulled his arm from inside the passenger side of the vehicle, he had a closed

fist. The encounter lasted less than 30 seconds. Spaniol was the driver of the vehicle. Huffman

sat on the passenger side.

¶ 14           According to Officer Maier, he interviewed defendant in December 2016 at the

sheriff’s department. Over defendant’s standing objection on the ground the interview revealed

prior bad acts, the recording of that interview was played for the jury.

¶ 15           At the beginning of the video, Officer Maier told defendant he knew defendant

had been selling heroin for quite some time and he was trying to determine why defendant chose

to sell heroin. Officer Maier questioned whether the motive was for money. Defendant did not

answer. Officer Maier asked defendant if he was working. Defendant said he was not. Officer

Maier explained he bought drugs from dealers and from people who sold drugs to support their

habit. Officer Maier told defendant he had bought drugs from defendant. Defendant repeatedly

denied Officer Maier purchased drugs from him. Officer Maier insisted he did: “[L]isten, I’m

telling you I bought drugs off of you. *** Listen, listen to me. I’m telling you, you are selling

heroin to support your habit. That’s exactly what you are doing. *** You are selling heroin.”

Officer Maier guaranteed defendant he bought heroin from him. Officer Maier stated he had seen

defendant sell heroin from a bicycle. Officer Maier repeated he was simply trying to determine

defendant’s motive for doing so. He said, “It doesn’t seem like you’re trying to be the El Chapo

of Pontiac.” Officer Maier asked if he was selling to kids. Defendant replied, “F*** no.” Officer

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Maier then asked if he was doing it to bring in some extra money as he was out of work.

Defendant said, “People come down here and sell drugs and they ask me to help them.”

Defendant said he would help them by talking to a person, but once inside, defendant would not

touch anything.

¶ 16           Officer Maier, according to the video, repeatedly told defendant he watched him

deal drugs. He emphasized he watched defendant sell “from a bike [—] reach inside a car and do

a hand[-]to[-]hand.” Shortly after being asked if he wanted to be “the big drug dealer of

Livingston County” or if he was simply trying to support his children, defendant admitted, “I

probably have sold a couple bags to somebody to support my habit,” but he denied having sold

heroin while riding a bike. Officer Maier again asked defendant if he was selling heroin to

provide for his children. Defendant told Officer Maier that Officer Maier could not help him.

Wiping tears from his eyes, defendant stated he “did it to buy my kids Christmas gifts.”

Defendant stated he attempted to stop “cold turkey” but he got “sweats at night.”

¶ 17           On cross-examination, Officer Maier testified he was “[p]robably less than” 50

feet from the transaction. He did not photograph the transaction for fear of jeopardizing

Spaniol’s safety. Officer Maier agreed he did not observe an actual exchange of drugs for

money.

¶ 18           The State presented testimony establishing the contents of the bags contained

heroin and Spaniol was searched before the controlled buy. Defendant was found guilty.

¶ 19                    B. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 16-CF-299

¶ 20           In case No. 16-CF-299, defendant was charged with the December 15, 2016,

offense of unlawful delivery of a controlled substance, heroin (720 ILCS 570/401(d)(i) (West

2016)). Because of a mistrial, two trials were held on the charge. Only the testimony from the

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retrial is relevant to this appeal.

¶ 21            At the June 2017 trial, the State called multiple witnesses. The first to testify was

Jamie Ware, a confidential informant who worked with Officer Maier. On December 15, 2016,

Ware testified she called defendant to see if she could get “three for 50,” meaning three bags for

$50. After the call, Ware contacted Officer Maier. The two met at the liquor store in Dwight,

Illinois, and then went to the sheriff’s department in Pontiac, Illinois. Ware was provided

“audio,” which she put in her jacket pocket. Ware was searched and then provided cash from the

police department to purchase the heroin. Officer Maier drove Ware to about four houses from

where she was meeting defendant. At the meeting location, Ware went inside and followed

defendant to the kitchen, where Ware and defendant exchanged the money for drugs. Ware left

immediately after the exchange. She returned to Officer Maier and gave him the plastic bags.

¶ 22            Ware acknowledged, between 2007 and 2011, she had some convictions for theft,

obstructing, aggravated battery, and retail theft. In 2017, Ware was charged with retail theft, and

that case remained pending. Ware testified she was not promised anything for her testimony

other than “consideration.”

¶ 23            Officer Maier testified on December 15, 2016, Ware contacted Officer Maier

regarding the potential to purchase heroin from defendant. When Ware arrived at the police

department, she was searched for contraband. Ware was provided “prerecorded police money” to

use for the transaction. This is money the police photocopy. The money was placed in Ware’s

pocket. Officer Maier and another officer drove Ware to the residence. They dropped off Ware

directly in front of the residence. Ware exited the vehicle and walked to the front door. Ware was

under surveillance from the time she entered the residence through the time she exited and

returned to Officer Maier’s vehicle. Ware handed Officer Maier plastic bags that had a logo

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“with a devil’s head.” Those baggies contained a white powdery substance.

¶ 24           Officer Maier testified he interviewed defendant “some weeks” after December

15, 2016, at the Livingston County Sheriff’s Office. A video and audio recording was made of

that interview and was played for the jury. In the video, defendant admitted he got drugs from

“Rico.” Defendant stated he was not the only one “doing hand-to-hand [buys].” He admitted

being a user and having tried to go “cold turkey.” Officer Maier suggested defendant was selling

heroin to get his children Christmas gifts. Defendant admitted having “probably sold it once or

twice or something like that.”

¶ 25           Two officers testified they searched Ware on December 15, 2016, and found no

contraband on her. A forensic scientist testified the substance in one of the bags contained

heroin. The other two bags were not tested, as “the total weight of the three wasn’t going to go

over any weight statute.”

¶ 26           Defendant was found guilty.

¶ 27            C. Posttrial Proceedings in Case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299

¶ 28           In January 2018, defendant filed multiple pro se motions alleging he was denied

the effective assistance of counsel. In these motions, he stated the motions applied to his

conviction for the September 2016 offense, as well as to his conviction for the December 2016

offense. Reasoning defendant was represented by counsel, the trial court did not address the

ineffectiveness claims but struck the pro se motions.

¶ 29           A joint sentencing hearing was held on his unlawful-delivery convictions. The

trial court sentenced defendant to concurrent terms of five years in prison.

¶ 30                    D. Trial, Livingston County Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 31           In April 2017, the State initially charged defendant with three offenses when he

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indirectly contacted Jamie Ware with the intent to deter her from testifying against him at his

trial for unlawful delivery of a controlled substance (case No. 16-CF-299): harassment of a

witness (720 ILCS 5/32-4a(a)(2) (West 2016)), bribery (720 ILCS 5/33-1(a) (West 2016)), and

communication with a witness (720 ILCS 5/32-4(b) (West 2016)). Later, these three charges

were dismissed, but the charge of attempted harassment of a witness (720 ILCS 5/8-4(a),

32-4a(a)(2) (West 2016)) was added. For the attempted harassment charge, the State alleged

defendant, with the intent to commit the offense of harassment of a witness, performed “a

substantial step toward the commission of that offense” by communicating with “Shad Hamilton

to discuss his case with Jamie Ware.” Defendant was tried only on the attempt charge.

¶ 32           Only two witnesses testified at defendant’s January 2018 jury trial, defendant’s

friend Shad Hamilton and Officer Maier. The State also introduced into evidence four recordings

of telephone conversations between Hamilton and defendant, who was incarcerated at the time of

those conversations.

¶ 33           Hamilton had known defendant for over two decades. The two spoke over the

phone multiple times in January and February 2017 while defendant was incarcerated at the

Livingston County jail. Hamilton agreed he had listened to the recordings of those conversations

and the recordings accurately and fairly depicted them.

¶ 34           The State then played the recordings for the jury. In the January 25, 2017, call,

defendant asked Hamilton, “[A]m I good, bro? Like, like I gotta speak in code so you know.

Like remember when we [were] in Mt. Sterling, what I did for you, right?” Hamilton said he did.

Defendant repeated, “Am I good?” Hamilton asked defendant if he knew “who it was,” to which

defendant replied, “[Y]eah, I already know. J.W.” Defendant asked a third time, “Am I good

though?” Hamilton replied, “Yeah, I think so. She’s going to treatment so she’s not gonna be

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there. She probably won’t be there for the—for the trial, you know. She feels bad. You’re her

friend, man.” Defendant replied he “loved [Ware] to death, bro, like that’s my sister.” Hamilton

responded, “[Y]ou know she feels bad about the whole situ—. I’m not—I don’t f*** with her

right now; I’m not talking to her at all.” Defendant interrupted, “[B]ut I need you to though. I

need you [to] though. *** Don’t just brush her away, like, make sure, like you know.” Hamilton

did not think Ware would be at the trial as she did not want to testify “in the first place.”

Hamilton also did not believe the State had a case against defendant if Ware did not show up for

the trial; defendant agreed. Defendant said, “If I’m good, I’m good, you know what I’m saying. I

won’t sweat it.”

¶ 35           During the second phone call, defendant asked Hamilton if Hamilton had talked

to Ware. Hamilton replied he had not but he had someone else in mind to talk to her. Hamilton

said he knew Ware was attending church on Sunday and he would have someone “work on it.”

Hamilton said he “honestly believe[d]” Ware would not testify as she said she would not.

Defendant replied, “I hope that’s right because I’m going to take it all—I’m going to take it all

the way if she’s not. I hope she don’t because you know I love her. I look at her like a sister,

bro.” Defendant continued, stating he was not angry with Ware. Hamilton replied, “This is some

f*** up s***, man. I know—I know exactly how you feel. I’ve been through the same s***.”

Hamilton told defendant to call him later that week.

¶ 36           During the third call, which occurred five days later, defendant asked Hamilton if

everything was “good.” Hamilton replied that it was: “Yeah, you’re good. Just keep in touch

with me *** I’ll keep you updated.”

¶ 37           The fourth call occurred three weeks later. In that call, Hamilton told defendant he

had spoken “to that one person.” Hamilton told defendant to “take it all the way, you’re good.”

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Defendant replied, “[T]hanks[,] bro.”

¶ 38           Hamilton stated he and defendant were at “Mt. Sterling” together. Defendant was

friends with someone Hamilton’s “charges were against.” Defendant told Hamilton he would

talk to that person for Hamilton and that individual would not be present to testify at Hamilton’s

trial. When defendant asked during the phone conversation if Hamilton remembered Mt.

Sterling, that situation is what Hamilton thought of.

¶ 39           Hamilton spoke to Ware about her testifying at defendant’s trial. Hamilton had

previously been to rehab. He believed when a person is in rehab that person could not be forced

to testify. Hamilton denied overtly threatening Ware. Even before defendant was charged, he

tried to get Ware into treatment. Ware had been in some legal trouble, and Hamilton wanted to

help her and her baby.

¶ 40           Officer Maier, a narcotics investigator with the Livingston County Proactive Unit,

testified as part of this role, he worked with undercover sources. Ware was an undercover source

and “a chief witness” in case No. 16-CF-299. During January and February 2017, defendant was

incarcerated on the controlled-substance charges. Officer Maier listened to recordings of the

telephone conversations between Hamilton and defendant. The following questions and answers

occurred, during which an objection was made after the State used the word “help:”

                         “[THE STATE]. Did you speak with [Ware] about the

               recordings?

                         A. Yes.

                         Q. She had come to you regarding help for what was

               happening?

                         A. Correct.

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                    [DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Objection.

                    THE COURT: Hold on. What was the objection?

                    [DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Hearsay regarding help.

                    THE COURT: That’s not a hearsay statement. Overruled.

             The jury can consider.

                    [THE STATE]: Thank you, Judge.

                    Q. And without saying anything that she told you, you gave

             her help with the situation. Correct?

                    A. Correct.

                    Q. And investigated it, as far as getting the phone calls to

             my office?

                    A. Correct.”

¶ 41         The State, in rebuttal closing argument, referenced “help” from Officer Maier’s

testimony:

                    “And as far as harassment, Jamie Ware sought out the help

             of law enforcement after the conversation. As far as her emotional

             distress, she sought out the help and received from Officer Maier

             assistance in this. She’s not even in the area anymore.

                    So as far as evidence of what exactly transpired with Jamie

             Ware and this harassment that the defense says isn’t there, I think

             you have everything you need to find that it is. ***

                    The situation clearly put her in a situation where she was

             uncomfortable. Situation where she knew I’m going to be getting,

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               there’s going to be stuff going on if I don’t avoid testifying in

               court.”

¶ 42           The jury, during deliberations, posed the following question to the trial court:

“Can you verify that the officer testified that Jamie Ware contacted Officer Maier after all of the

phone recordings?” The jury was given the transcript of Officer Maier’s testimony.

¶ 43           The jury found defendant guilty of attempted harassment.

¶ 44                     E. Posttrial Proceedings in Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 45           In case No. 17-CF-107, defendant was sentenced to eight years’ imprisonment, to

be served consecutively to the sentences received in case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299.

¶ 46           In March 2018, while a posttrial motion filed by counsel was pending, defendant

filed a pro se motion titled, “motion to appeal sentence and appeal cases, reconsider sentence,” in

which he alleged errors in this case as well as in the unlawful-delivery cases (case Nos. 16-CF-

298 and 16-CF-299). Regarding case No. 17-CF-107, defendant alleged his trial counsel

provided ineffective assistance in that he failed to object to the State’s request for an extended-

term sentence. He further alleged counsel failed to object to Officer Maier’s testimony that

included “second[-]hand statements.”

¶ 47           Upon finding defendant was represented by counsel, the trial court dismissed

defendant’s pro se posttrial motion. The court denied counsel’s motion to reconsider the

sentence. Defendant pursued a direct appeal.

¶ 48                F. Defendant’s Postconviction Claim, Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 49           While defendant’s direct appeals in all cases were pending, defendant filed, in

February 2019, a pro se petition under the Post-Conviction Hearing Act (725 ILCS 5/122-1

et seq. (West 2018)). In his postconviction petition, defendant raised multiple claims of

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constitutional error, including he was denied his sixth-amendment right to confront witnesses

against him when testimonial hearsay was allowed without objection by trial counsel. See U.S.

Const., amend. VI. Specifically, defendant points to Officer Maier’s testimony Ware came to

him for “help.”

¶ 50           In May 2019, the trial court summarily dismissed defendant’s postconviction

petition, finding it frivolous and patently without merit. Defendant appealed the dismissal of his

postconviction petition and the appeal is currently pending before this court (appellate case No.

4-19-0523).

¶ 51                                  G. Defendant’s Appeals

¶ 52                  1. Case No. 16-CF-298, Appellate Case No. 4-18-0340

¶ 53           One of the issues raised in defendant’s appeal was the trial court’s failure to

conduct a Krankel injury after he alleged, posttrial, he was denied the effective assistance of

counsel. The State conceded a Krankel inquiry should have been conducted. We agreed and

remanded the case for an inquiry into defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective assistance of

counsel pursuant to Krankel. People v. Chambers, 2020 IL App (4th) 180340-U, ¶ 2.

¶ 54                  2. Case No. 16-CF-299, Appellate Case No. 4-18-0341

¶ 55           Similarly, one of the claims raised in defendant’s direct appeal was the trial

court’s failure to conduct a Krankel inquiry after he alleged, posttrial, he was denied the effective

assistance of trial counsel. The State again conceded a Krankel hearing should have been held. In

this case, defendant also raised double-jeopardy arguments, which we rejected. We remanded,

however, for an inquiry into defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective assistance of counsel

pursuant to Krankel. People v. Chambers, 2021 IL App (4th) 180341-U, ¶ 2.

¶ 56           3. Case No. 17-CF-107, Appellate Case Nos. 4-18-0342 and 4-19-0523

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¶ 57            Both the direct appeal (appellate case No. 4-18-0342) and the appeal from the

postconviction petition were consolidated for our review (appellate case No. 4-19-0523). In the

direct appeal of his attempt conviction, defendant asserted, in part, he was entitled to a Krankel

inquiry. We agreed. We remanded for Krankel inquiry but concluded it would be premature to

rule on case No. 4-19-0523 until the resolution of the Krankel inquiry. We severed the appeals.

People v. Chambers, 2021 IL App (4th) 180342-U, ¶¶ 2, 20, 22.

¶ 58                                     H. Krankel Hearing

¶ 59                          1. Case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299

¶ 60            The Krankel hearings for case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299 were held on the

same day in March 2021. The issues regarding each case were addressed separately. The court

first addressed the issues defendant raised as to case No. 16-CF-299.

¶ 61            At the beginning of that hearing, the trial court summarized to defendant what it

believed defendant was arguing. The court surmised defendant was arguing he was denied the

effective assistance of counsel when trial counsel (1) failed to call two witnesses, Connor

Corrigan and Angela Cassani, to testify at trial; (2) did not permit defendant to listen to certain

telephone calls before trial that allegedly contained exculpatory information; (3) developed no

trial strategy; (4) failed to investigate the case; and (5) did not file a motion to suppress the

statements.

¶ 62            Defendant explained, had the calls from case No. 17-CF-107 been played fully for

the jury, the jury would have seen he did not commit the offense in case No. 16-CF-299.

Defendant argued those calls showed Ware told Hamilton she was being pressured by the

prosecution to testify. The trial court asked defendant if he spoke to Ware. Defendant stated he

did not but that he relayed what Hamilton had told him. According to defendant, Hamilton said

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in the call Ware “was going to come to court and tell the truth that [defendant] didn’t do

anything.” Defendant also maintained Ware told Corrigan and Cassani the same. When the court

asked defendant how this amounted to ineffective assistance, defendant said he presented the

affidavits to his trial counsel before trial.

¶ 63            As to his allegations regarding a lack of a trial strategy, defendant asserted

counsel told him he would file a motion to suppress the interrogation but failed to do so. When

asked if that was all he was arguing, defendant responded as follows: “It’s pretty much

everything, but once trial started, I was trying to whisper in [trial counsel’s] ear about certain

things that was stated, and basically it was like, I got this type ordeal. He didn’t object to the

interrogation videos at the trial when they kept trying to say that I was something like El Chapo,

or that when they kept lying, stating that they witnessed me do certain things.”

¶ 64            The trial court then asked defendant’s trial counsel, Brian Gabor, to address

defendant’s assertions. Counsel stated, as for the whispering, he had informed defendant to write

notes during trial instead of whispering. This allowed counsel to continue to hear the witnesses

while allowing defendant to voice his concerns.

¶ 65            Regarding Corrigan and Cassani, counsel stated the affidavits for those witnesses

were provided to him three to six months after the trial and the guilty verdict. As for the

allegations regarding the motion to suppress, counsel reported he and defendant often disagreed

with how to proceed in the case. Counsel did not file the motion to suppress defendant wanted as

counsel concluded there was no merit to the proposed motion.

¶ 66            Counsel also informed the trial court defendant was permitted to listen to the

recordings of the telephone calls between him and Hamilton before trial. As for the trial

preparation and tactics, counsel reported having met defendant numerous times at the jail to go

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through discovery and to discuss how to proceed. While they disagreed at times about trial

strategy, counsel reported the trial strategy was to question the credibility of Ware and Spaniol,

to question the officers’ ability to observe and overhear, and to question the quality of the audio

recordings.

¶ 67           The trial court proclaimed for the record it reviewed the reports of proceedings in

the cases and was familiar with the cases. The court recalled “much of” the matters discussed at

the Krankel hearing. The court found, based on its observations, defendant “was a difficult client

to deal with in terms of his expectations for the case.” Defendant exhibited “a little chip on your

shoulder kind of attitude.” The court recalled defendant constantly talking to counsel during trial.

The court concluded the cases were “strong cases for the State” and informed defendant the

following:

               “[N]one of your specific claims of ineffective assistance of counsel

               really rise to the level that you think they do. There just is nothing

               to indicate that you had ineffective assistance of counsel. To the

               contrary, I do think that Mr. Gabor was very well prepared[;] he

               put in a lot of time on this case. I know that because he was very

               well prepared, and there were a number of cases that were

               involved. He knew the evidence, he knew the witnesses, he knew

               the issues, and he did the best that he could with regards to the

               facts that he had.”

¶ 68           The trial court concluded Gabor “did an excellent job on this case.” The court

found, “The problem isn’t Mr. Gabor[;] the problem is the facts of the case. That’s the problem.

He can only do so much.” The court found defendant’s ineffectiveness claims “vague and

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conclusory.” The court declined defendant’s request to appoint new counsel and denied

defendant’s pro se claim.

¶ 69                                   2. Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 70            At the start of the Krankel hearing, the trial court adopted its findings from the

Krankel hearing held in case Nos. 16-CF-298 and 16-CF-299 as those findings related to

defendant’s arguments in case No. 17-CF-107. The court summarized the arguments defendant

made in his pro se posttrial motion alleging ineffective assistance of trial counsel as follows:

                “[Y]our complaints about Mr. Gabor were that you were not

                admonished at any point before the trial or after the trial that you

                were extended[-]term eligible on the Class 3 felony attempt

                harassment, that Counsel did not object to the extended[-]term

                sentence, that Counsel did not object to the filing of the amended

                information, that Counsel did not call witnesses, although you

                didn’t, I couldn’t see where you identified any specific witnesses,

                and that Counsel didn’t object to altered phone calls.”

¶ 71            After being asked if those were his complaints in this case, defendant agreed they

were but asserted he had others that were not included in the motion. Among those relevant to

this appeal are defendant’s contentions (1) the calls were “blended differently” and not “the same

conversation” he had with Hamilton and (2) the last part of the telephone conversations were not

played for the jury, which would have shown Ware told Hamilton the state’s attorney was

harassing her to testify.

¶ 72            The trial court then asked counsel to speak to defendant’s allegations. Counsel

responded to many of defendant’s ineffectiveness claims which are no longer being pursued on

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appeal. Relevant to this appeal, counsel replied the State had the audio recordings, which spoke

for themselves.

¶ 73           The trial court found defense counsel “very, very extremely prepared.” The court

found him competent and capable. The court observed the record showed defendant was not

afraid to speak up in the courtroom. The court noted defendant initially filed a motion to proceed

with the trials pro se but withdrew his own motion, and defendant interrupted the court multiple

times. The court emphasized defendant did not, however, once raise concerns about counsel’s

effectiveness. The court concluded defendant was attempting “to get a second bite at the apple.”

¶ 74           The trial court declined to appoint new counsel.

¶ 75           This consolidated appeal followed.

¶ 76                                      II. ANALYSIS

¶ 77                    A. Effectiveness of Counsel, Case No. 16-CF-298

¶ 78           Defendant argues he was denied the effective assistance of trial counsel when

counsel failed to object to the admission of the two interrogation videos as containing irrelevant

and prejudicial statements. Defendant acknowledges counsel objected to the videos by asserting

they referred to prior bad acts, an objection the trial court overruled. He, however, highlights as

irrelevant and overly prejudicial the questions by the officers asking if defendant was trying to be

the “El Chapo” of Pontiac or if he sold to children and Inspector Benning’s assertion defendant

was lying as there was “no denying” he sold heroin. Defendant further maintains the record

reveals a reasonable probability the outcome of the trial would have been different had these

statements been redacted and not shown to the jury. Defendant emphasizes the fact Spaniol was

biased as she was seeking consideration in sentencing in her own case and the purchase was not

controlled as no one searched Huffman.

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¶ 79           When a defendant claims denial of the constitutional right to the effective

assistance of counsel, he or she carries the burden of establishing the two-pronged test set forth

in Strickland v. Washington, 466 U.S. 668, 687 (1984). People v. McGath, 2017 IL App (4th)

150608, ¶ 37, 83 N.E.3d 671. Under Strickland, to obtain relief, the defendant must prove the

following: (1) counsel’s representation “was objectively unreasonable under prevailing

professional norms” and (2) a reasonable probability exists, “ ‘but for counsel’s unprofessional

errors, the result of the proceeding would have been different.’ ” People v. Domagala, 2013 IL

113688, ¶ 36, 987 N.E.2d 767 (quoting Strickland, 466 U.S. at 694). The second prong, or

prejudice prong, is satisfied with proof of a probability sufficient to undermine confidence in the

proceeding’s outcome. See People v. Coleman, 2015 IL App (4th) 131045, ¶ 80, 25 N.E.3d 82.

A defendant’s failure to prove either prong of the Strickland test precludes a finding counsel was

ineffective. McGath, 2017 IL App (4th) 150608, ¶ 37.

¶ 80           Defendant’s ineffectiveness claims are based on the allegation statements in the

video were irrelevant and overly prejudicial. To be relevant, evidence must either render a matter

at issue more or less probable or tend to prove a fact in controversy. See People v. Lynn, 388 Ill.

App. 3d 272, 280, 904 N.E.2d 987, 994 (2009). “[E]ven relevant evidence may be excluded

where its probative value is substantially outweighed by its prejudicial effect.” People v.

Whitfield, 2018 IL App (4th) 150948, ¶ 47, 103 N.E.3d 1096. The question of whether evidence

is relevant and admissible is a question within the trial court’s discretion, meaning we will not

overturn a decision to admit evidence unless the decision is arbitrary, fanciful, or unreasonable.

Id. ¶ 46. The determination of whether evidence is overly prejudicial is also reviewed for an

abuse of discretion. See People v. Wilson, 214 Ill. 2d 127, 141, 824 N.E.2d 191, 199-200 (2005).

¶ 81           Without ruling on the reasonableness of trial counsel’s representation, we find

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defendant cannot prove the second Strickland prong of his claim. There is no reasonable

probability the outcome of defendant’s trial would have been different absent a showing of the

video. Spaniol, who had been searched before the controlled buy, identified defendant and not

Huffman as the individual who sold her heroin. While she had some motivation to assist police

officers by participating in a controlled purchase, there are no facts to show greater consideration

would be afforded if defendant were the target of the investigation rather than Huffman. Police

officers worked together to surveil Spaniol. Both Inspector Benning and Officer Maier testified

to having observed defendant near the vehicle Spaniol was in. Officer Maier observed defendant,

while on a bicycle, putting his closed fist inside the vehicle and pulling out a closed fist from the

vehicle. Inspector Benning saw defendant after he left the vehicle’s side. Spaniol returned to the

police station with two bags of heroin. After the interview with Inspector Benning, defendant,

upon seeking to work for the police, admitted he “probably did it” but he did not “remember

exactly doing it.”

¶ 82                           B. Adequacy of the Krankel Hearings

¶ 83            In this consolidated appeal, defendant challenged the adequacy of the Krankel

inquiry in all three cases.

¶ 84            A defendant triggers the common-law procedure of Krankel when he or she

asserts in the trial court a pro se claim of ineffective assistance of counsel. People v. Rhodes,

2019 IL App (4th) 160917, ¶ 12, 128 N.E.3d 1100. The “narrow purpose” of the Krankel inquiry

is to permit the trial court to determine whether new counsel should be appointed to argue the

defendant’s pro se posttrial claims of ineffective assistance of counsel. People v. Ayres, 2017 IL

120071, ¶ 11, 88 N.E.3d 732.

¶ 85            Here, we are tasked with determining “whether the trial court conducted an

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adequate inquiry into *** defendant’s pro se allegations of ineffective assistance of counsel.”

People v. Moore, 207 Ill. 2d 68, 78, 797 N.E.2d 631, 638 (2003). To perform an adequate

inquiry, the inquiry must be “sufficient to determine the factual basis of the claim.” Ayres, 2017

IL 120071, ¶ 11 (quoting People v. Banks, 237 Ill. 2d 154, 213, 934 N.E.2d 435, 468 (2010)).

During this inquiry “some interchange between the trial court and trial counsel regarding the

facts and circumstances surrounding the allegedly ineffective representation is permissible and

usually necessary in assessing what further action, if any, is warranted on a defendant’s claim.”

Moore, 207 Ill. 2d at 78. The court may evaluate a defendant’s pro se claims of ineffective

assistance of counsel based on “its knowledge of defense counsel’s performance at trial and the

insufficiency of the defendant’s allegations on their face.” Id. A trial court may also extinguish a

defendant’s ineffectiveness claims upon finding the claims lack legal or factual merit. See People

v. Roddis, 2020 IL 124352, ¶¶ 55, 56, 61. When, however, allegations reveal possible neglect of

the case, the trial court should appoint new counsel for additional proceedings. Ayres, 2017 IL

120071, ¶ 11.

¶ 86            This court reviews de novo the manner employed by the trial court in conducting

the Krankel hearing. People v. Lawson, 2019 IL App (4th) 180452, ¶ 43, 139 N.E.3d 663.

¶ 87                                  1. Case No. 16-CF-298

¶ 88            Defendant argues the trial court conducted an inadequate Krankel inquiry into his

claim trial counsel should have objected to the interrogation videos admitted at trial because the

court did not address his claim or ask trial counsel to respond to it. Defendant maintains the trial

court prevented the development of a record sufficient for a determination of whether his claim

had merit. In addition, because of the court’s alleged animosity toward defendant, he seeks a new

Krankel inquiry before a different judge.

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¶ 89           We do not find the inquiry inadequate. Above, we rejected defendant’s claim

counsel was ineffective for not objecting to the interrogation videos on the ground of containing

overly prejudicial information. Recently, the Third District refused to find a Krankel hearing

inadequate when the same ineffectiveness claim had been found meritless. People v. Barner,

2022 IL App (3d) 20043-U, ¶¶ 30, 34. We find this approach applicable here. Our determination

on the effectiveness of counsel turns on the second Strickland prong, i.e., prejudice, and not on

the question of whether trial counsel’s approach was reasonable or a matter of trial strategy. No

statement by trial counsel regarding strategy was therefore necessary. The Krankel inquiry on

this matter was sufficient.

¶ 90                                  2. Case No. 16-CF-299

¶ 91           Defendant contends the trial court conducted an inadequate Krankel inquiry into

his claim trial counsel was ineffective for not calling two witnesses who would have testified the

State pressured Ware to testify and Ware denied buying heroin from defendant. Defendant

further contends the inquiry was inadequate as he asserted counsel was ineffective in not

introducing a phone call between defendant and Hamilton in which Hamilton told defendant the

State was pressuring Ware to testify and Ware said she did not buy heroin from defendant.

¶ 92           As to his first claim, regarding trial counsel’s failure to call two witnesses,

defendant references the affidavits signed by Connor Corrigan and Angelo Cassani. Both

affidavits appear in the record. Defendant acknowledges in his reply brief these affidavits were

filed after trial, as counsel asserted during the Krankel hearing. Defendant contends, however,

the fact the affidavits were signed after trial does not mean trial counsel was possibly ineffective

for not investigating those witnesses before trial.

¶ 93           Defendant’s argument fails, as the record reveals the trial court had sufficient

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information to determine the factual basis of this claim. The trial court heard defendant’s

allegation on this matter, and the record contains both affidavits. The affidavits plainly establish

neither counsel nor defendant knew about these witnesses before trial. In case No. 16-CF-299,

defendant’s trial was held on June 27, 2017. Cassani signed his affidavit in December 2017. In

that affidavit, Cassani averred he told defendant of his conversations with Ware after meeting

defendant at the earliest in August 2017: “I am currently incarcerated in the Livingston County

jail. When I got here in August of 2017[,] I heard of this guy named Jon-Jon[.] [W]hen I first met

him I apologized to him for what my friend *** Ware did to him.”

¶ 94           Corrigan’s September 2017 affidavit shows Corrigan did not know defendant in

“June-July, 2017.” According to Corrigan, Ware told him, “[o]n or about June-July, 2017,” that

she “snitched on Jon-Jon, (Jonathan Chambers).” Corrigan averred “at the time, [he] did not

know Jon-Jon at all, but [he] felt bad about the situation.” Corrigan then stated he “met Jon-Jon

for the first time in county jail, where” Corrigan was incarcerated at that time.

¶ 95           The trial court was aware of defendant’s factual assertions and of the record

before it. The Krankel inquiry was sufficient.

¶ 96           Defendant next asserts the trial court failed to inquire adequately into his claim

counsel was ineffective for not introducing at trial the phone conversation he had with Hamilton,

during which Hamilton relayed Ware’s admission she lied about purchasing heroin from

defendant. Defendant acknowledges the court gave counsel the opportunity to speak to this

allegation but contends counsel’s answer was nonresponsive.

¶ 97           At the Krankel inquiry, counsel asked the trial court if there was anything else he

had not addressed. After the court said, “The phone calls with [S]had Hamilton—,” counsel

replied, “Anything that we had, [defendant] was allowed to review and hear prior to trial.”

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¶ 98           We do not find the inquiry inadequate, as the inquiry was adequate to ascertain

the factual basis of defendant’s claim. First, as defendant admits, the trial court asked both

defendant and trial counsel to comment on this allegation. Second, the record and the court’s

observations at trial additionally provide the factual basis necessary to resolve this claim. From

those sources, the record establishes the use of the recording, as defendant now suggests should

have been done, would have in fact been catastrophic for him in both case Nos. 16-CF-299 and

17-CF-107. Even if defendant could have overcome the high hurdle of a hearsay objection to the

admission of a telephone recording of Hamilton speaking about his alleged conversations with

Ware, the playing of that recording would have opened the door to the jury hearing defendant’s

conversations with Hamilton regarding Ware. In those conversations, defendant repeatedly

insisted Hamilton convince Ware not to testify in case No. 16-CF-299. Defendant also admitted

other bad conduct in the call, such as admitting he had done something similar on Hamilton’s

behalf, convincing someone not to testify against Hamilton when Hamilton was incarcerated.

Moreover, Ware would likely have been called in rebuttal and questioned about the alleged

conversation with Hamilton. Such testimony may have given the State what it needed to pursue,

in case No. 17-CF-107, not only charges for the inchoate offense of attempted harassment, but

also for the completed offense of harassment. No further statement from counsel was needed for

the court to know what defendant was arguing and to determine whether counsel’s conduct to not

pursue such a course was reasonable.

¶ 99                                  3. Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 100          Defendant argues the trial court’s inquiry into his ineffectiveness claim in case

No. 17-CF-107 was inadequate for two reasons. First, defendant contends the trial court failed to

inquire adequately into his claim counsel failed to object to the altered phone calls between

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Hamilton and him.

¶ 101          During the Krankel inquiry, the trial court asked defendant, “What is this altered

phone call?” Defendant responded as follows: “They was cutting in and out; and you could

barely hear most of the things that was stated inside the phone calls, like certain things what

Shad would say or what I say[.] [I]t was like blended differently. It wasn’t like the same

conversation that was held between me and Shad.” The court asked a follow-up question to

determine the factual basis of that claim: “And you are just basing that on the fact that you were

on the phone call?” Defendant replied affirmatively. After eliciting defendant’s explanation on

this issue and a number of others, the trial court asked counsel to respond in general to

defendant’s multiple claims. During his explanation, counsel referenced the recordings. The

language defendant uses in support of his claim counsel was unresponsive to the issue of

“blended differently” recordings is within the following response:

                       “Once the—And when we ended up going to trial on this,

               the State only proceeded to trial on attempted harassment of a

               witness. Once that happened, whether or not anything was actually

               communicated to Ms. Ware by Mr. Hamilton was irrelevant. The

               State had the audios, the overhear where clearly [defendant] and

               Mr. Hamilton were talking about trying to contact Ms. Ware.

               [Defendant] says, oh, no, we have to use code. Let’s talk to JW.

               Honestly, not a very good code. JW, Jamie Ware.

                       The audio unfortunately spoke for themselves. So whether

               or not Mr. Hamilton ever contacted Ms. Ware is, at that point[,]

               completely irrelevant.”

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¶ 102          The Krankel inquiry was adequate to determine the factual basis for defendant’s

claim. The trial court heard defendant’s allegation and learned defendant had no factual support

for that assertion other than he participated in the conversation and heard the recordings.

Moreover, the court was the same court in which the trial was held, at which the recordings were

played and heard by the court. Hamilton also testified the recordings accurately represented his

conversations with defendant. A direct response from counsel was unnecessary to the court’s

inquiry.

¶ 103          Defendant’s second challenge to the adequacy of the trial court’s Krankel inquiry

relates to his claim counsel should have played for the jury a telephone call during which

Hamilton told defendant that Ware told Hamilton she was being pressured by the State to testify.

Defendant contends counsel did not disclose whether he listened to the call or explain his trial

strategy for not introducing the call.

¶ 104          We disagree with defendant’s contention counsel did not respond to this

allegation. Defense counsel’s response to the trial court’s question included his conclusion, after

the State dropped the harassment charge to attempted harassment, the issue of “whether or not

Mr. Hamilton ever contacted Ms. Ware is, at that point[,] completely irrelevant.” While he did

not say he listened to the call, he provided an explanation for the exclusion of evidence related to

conversations between Hamilton and Ware.

¶ 105          The trial court thus had gained the information necessary to learn the factual basis

for defendant’s claim. Defendant told the court his concerns at the Krankel inquiry. The court

knew the facts of the case, including the elements of the charged offense and the witnesses who

testified. No further information was needed for the trial court to find no merit to this

ineffectiveness claim.

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¶ 106                         4. Allegedly Improper Krankel Inquiry

¶ 107          We note in each Krankel-based claim defendant asserts the trial court’s inquiry

was inadequate as the court repeatedly referenced an improper standard when ruling on his

claims. Defendant emphasizes the court’s references to defendant’s failure to raise the issue in

either of the three cases at any time before the end of trial. Defendant contends Illinois courts

recognize the difficulty in resolving Strickland claims before the end of trial as the outcome has

not been reached and it would be, therefore, impossible to decide the second Strickland prong.

See People v. Washington, 2012 IL App (2d) 101287, ¶ 20, 970 N.E.2d 43.

¶ 108          As shown above, a Krankel inquiry is adequate when it is “sufficient to determine

the factual basis of the claim.” Ayres, 2017 IL 120071, ¶ 11 (quoting Banks, 237 Ill. at 213). The

trial court’s emphasis on defendant’s failure to assert concerns about counsel’s representation of

him does not affect an adequacy-of-the-Krankel-inquiry determination when the process was

sufficient to determine the factual basis of the defendant’s claims. Here, the Krankel inquiry was

adequate as the court had determined the factual bases of defendant’s claims.

¶ 109                            C. Hearsay, Case No. 17-CF-107

¶ 110          Defendant next contends the trial court erroneously overruled counsel’s hearsay

objection to Officer Maier’s testimony Ware approached him for “help” regarding defendant’s

phone calls with Hamilton. Defendant contends the testimony was inadmissible to explain

Officer Maier’s steps in the investigation as the court failed to assess the testimony to ensure it

included no more than necessary to explain Officer Maier’s conduct and the statement revealed

information that was unnecessary and prejudicial. Defendant acknowledges his claim is forfeited

as he failed to raise the matter in a written posttrial motion. Defendant urges this court, however,

to review the matter as plain error.

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¶ 111            At trial, the objection followed the State’s question to Officer Maier after the

State confirmed Officer Maier had spoken to Ware about the recordings of the telephone

conversations:

                         “[THE STATE]. She had come to you regarding help for

                 what was happening?

                         A. Correct.

                         [DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Objection.

                         THE COURT: Hold on. What was the objection?

                         [DEFENSE COUNSEL]: Hearsay regarding help.

                         THE COURT: That’s not a hearsay statement. Overruled.”

¶ 112            The State maintains Officer Maier did not provide a statement by Ware.

¶ 113            Under the plain-error rule, a court of review may consider an otherwise forfeited

argument under one of two scenarios:

                 “(1) a clear or obvious error occurred and the evidence is so

                 closely balanced that the error alone threatened to tip the scales of

                 justice against the defendant, regardless of the seriousness of the

                 error, or (2) a clear or obvious error occurred and that error is so

                 serious that it affected the fairness of the defendant’s trial and

                 challenged the integrity of the judicial process, regardless of the

                 closeness of the evidence.” People v. Merriweather, 2022 IL App

                 (4th) 210498, ¶ 25 (quoting People v. Sargent, 239 Ill. 2d 166,

                 189, 940 N.E.2d 1045, 1058 (2010)).

To invoke the plain-error rule, defendant bears the burden of proving one of the above scenarios

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applies. Id. Our first task in plain-error analysis is to determine whether a clear or obvious error

occurred at trial. People v. Sebby, 2017 IL 119445, ¶ 49, 89 N.E.3d 675.

¶ 114          Evidence is hearsay when it is “an out-of-court statement offered to prove the

truth of the matter asserted.” People v. Olinger, 176 Ill. 2d 326, 357, 680 N.E.2d 321, 336

(1997). A statement can be an oral or written assertion or nonverbal conduct of a person if the

conduct was intended as an assertion. People v. Neal, 2020 IL App (4th) 170869, ¶ 80, 150

N.E.3d 984. Hearsay evidence “is generally inadmissible due to its lack of reliability unless it

falls within an exception to the hearsay rule.” Olinger, 176 Ill. 2d at 357.

¶ 115          Defendant has not met his burden of establishing a clear error occurred. In his

opening brief, defendant developed no argument establishing Officer Maier’s agreement Ware

came to him for “help with what was happening” was a “statement” within the definition of

hearsay. After the State asserted the challenged testimony was not a “statement,” defendant

asserted the following in his reply brief: “Maier’s testimony that Jamie came to him for ‘help’

was a statement because she either told Maier she needed help, or her nonverbal conduct

indicated to him that she needed help. [(Record citation omitted.)] Maier then impermissibly

repeated Jamie’s statement at trial, which made it an out-of-court statement.” Defendant further

highlighted the question regarding “help” followed the State’s question of whether Officer Maier

spoke to Ware about the recordings. The only citation to support the contention Officer Maier’s

answer is a “statement” is a citation to the definition of hearsay. Officer Maier did not provide

the words Ware used and did not testify Ware asked or used the word “help.” Defendant

provides no legal support for the argument the admission of a reference to a situation, without

revealing the words spoken, is clear error based on hearsay.

¶ 116          In sum, defendant has not established plain error. The procedural forfeiture stands

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as a result.

¶ 117                                  III. CONCLUSION

¶ 118          For the reasons stated, we affirm the trial court’s judgment.

¶ 119          Affirmed.

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