Opinion ID: 257655
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Text: 44 Q. Did you know whose name was there? 45 A. Yes, it had Ronald Graham's name on it. 46 Trial Examiner: This was on the 24th? 47 The Witness: Yes. 48 Q. Did you talk any more about the cards or about the union after that? 49 A. We talked just back and forth. I told him that I had received a call from one of our — the independent union had called earlier and wanted to talk to me. I told him that I wanted to call him back. So, I did. I called him back and instead of getting Mr. Barnhart, I got Mr........ 50 Q. Who is Mr. Barnhart, now? 51 A. He is the operator or assistant crew foreman, I think at that time, over at Zirconium Reduction. 52 Q. You attempted to call Mr. Barnhart then? 53 A. Yes. 54 Trial Examiner. How do you spell his name? 55 The Witness: B-a-r-n-h-a-r-t. 56 Q. You mentioned before that he was connected with the independent union? 57 A. Yes. 58 Q. What was his office? [41] 59 A. I don't know at that time. I believe he was a trustee, or something of the Board. 60 Q. Did you dial for his departmental number then? 61 A. Yes. 62 Q. Did you talk to Mr. Barnhart? 63 A. No, I didn't get ahold of Mr. Barnhart. The floor above him answered and it was the crew foreman, Mr. John Keller. 64 Q. Mr. John Keller is the crew foreman in what department? 65 A. Zirconium reduction. He answered the phone and I asked for Mr. Barnhart. He said he was busy at that time. I said, `Well, would you tell him I will see him after work.' He said that he would. He also said, `I hear that you have been soliciting over at the separations building, you and another fellow.' I said, `That must be just rumors going around because I wouldn't do anything like that.' [Italics supplied.] He said, `You know if you continue to solicit for the international union, you will get into trouble.' He said, `You could be fired.' He said, `I thought I would warn you.' I said to him, `Thanks anyway, but I don't believe these rumors. There are all kinds of them going around.' Then Mr. Radford asked for the phone at that time. 66 Trial Examiner: Was Mr. Radford with you at this time? 67 The Witness: Yes, all through this conversation. 68      69 Q. Did you ever hear from Mr. Radford again concerning this matter? 70 A. Not particularly this same matter. He called the following night again, just on the phone. 71 Q. On the telephone? 72 A. Yes, sir. About the same time of the evening. 73 Q. What time of the evening was it? 74 A. 6:30 or 7:00 something like that, or 7:30. He said, `I hear the other night while I was over talking with you that you had a man out soliciting for this international union.' I said, ` No, I don't know anything about that. ' [Italics supplied.] He said, `Well, he was over at Zirconium reduction while I was over talking to you.' I said, `Oh', I said, `that is the way the ball bounces.' Made some joke. He said, `Well, you are going to get into trouble if you keep this up.' I said, ` I don't know what you are talking about. ' [Italics supplied.] And he hung up. (Tr. 90-94). 75 Dombrowsky received his discharge slip on November 1, 1958. 76 On cross-examination, Dombrowsky acknowledged that he had talked to Radford on October 23, and that he had denied any knowledge of solicitation at the Chang plants and further acknowledged that he was aware that solicitation for Council was going on at the Chang plants and that he had, in effect, lied to Radford when he had disclaimed knowledge of solicitation. At this point the cross-examination of Dombrowsky becomes critical and the record is quoted: 77 Q. How long before the 23rd had you actually known that soliciting was going on? 78 A. I believe it was the day before, or the very same day. 79 Q. You were one of the solicitors, weren't you? 80 A. Yes. 81 Q. You solicited during working hours, didn't you? 82 A. No. 83 Q. Didn't you solicit — by `solicit' I mean talk to or [45] discuss with other workmen in your department or on the same shift that were working with you, the desirability of signing a card for the Metal Trades Council? 84 A. I would say I mentioned it perhaps during their coffee break, yes. 85 Q. But you didn't mention it at any time other than during a coffee break? 86 A. Not that I recall. 87 Q. You don't recall talking to Louis Winterstein about distributing union cards? 88 A. Yes, I remember that. 89 Q. Was that during the regular shift, company time? 90 A. I was off duty. 91 Q. But Mr. Winterstein was on duty, wasn't he? 92 A. Yes. [Italics supplied.] 93 Q. And you talked with him while he was supposed to be working, didn't you? 94 A. I asked two other men if he was busy. 95 Q. Just answer my question. He was supposed to be working at that time, wasn't he? 96 A. Those were his working hours. 97 Q. And you talked to him during his working hours? 98 A. Yes. [Italics supplied.] 99       100 Q. On October 23rd, at the end of swing shift, you stayed on company property and into the graveyard shift, is that right? 101