Opinion ID: 2009700
Heading Depth: 1
Heading Rank: 7

Heading: p.i.

Text: On June 27, 1985, investigators from DYFS and from the Prosecutor's Office interviewed P.I., a four-and-a-half year old. The interview appeared to be adversarial from the outset. P.I. no longer wanted to participate in any interviews. In an attempt to convince P.I. to cooperate, Investigator (I) told P.I. that he and his colleague had spoken with lots of other [helpful] kids since they had last spoken, and that the sooner P.I. cooperated, the sooner they could get out of there. P.I. became annoyed with his persistence telling him that he did not want to talk to him, and stating emphatically, I hate you. Investigator (I) attempted to calm P.I. and reassured him that he really did not hate the investigator, in fact he knew that P.I. secretly liked him. Over the course of what appears to be several minutes of conversation, P.I. responded to his questions, on at least ten occasions, with I hate you. P.I. began to participate in the conversation but continued his refusal to discuss anything concerning Kelly. In an attempt to gain his cooperation, the investigators tried a different approach: Investigator (I): Come on do you want to help us out? Do you want to help us keep her (Kelly) in jail. P.I.: No.         Investigator (I): Tell me what happened.... I'll make you fall on your butt again. P.I.: No!         Investigator (I): I'll let you hear your voice and let you play with the tape recorder. I need your help again, buddy. Come on. P.I.: No.         Investigator (I): Just tell me  show me what happened with the wooden spoon. Let's go. P.I.: I forgot. Investigator (I): No you didn't. I'll tell you what, let's just go to the P.I. doll, we won't waste any time. Investigator (II): Now listen you have to behave. Investigator (I): Do you want me to tell him to behave? Investigator (II): Are you going to be a good boy? Huh? You have to be good. Yes or no? P.I.: Yes.         Investigator (I): If you don't remember words, maybe you can show me. P.I.: I forgot.... Investigator (I): You remember. You told your mommy about everything, about the music room. And the nap room. And all the stuff. You want to help her stay in jail don't you. So she doesn't bother you anymore and so she doesn't tell you any more scary stories. Did she tell you a story like about this little bird and he built a nest. But did she do that though? P.I.: Yes. After P.I. began to cooperate the interviewers' questions turned to more specific acts allegedly committed by Kelly. P.I. told Investigator (I) that he and another Wee Care child put their penises into Kelly at the same time. They were able to accomplish that by chopping off their penises. Further, some of the children had to urinate in Kelly's mouth, and she would do the same to them. P.I. also discussed the utensils used by Kelly on the children. Investigator (I): Did she put the fork in your butt? Yes or no? P.I.: I don't know, I forgot. Investigator (I): You forgot? O.K. Did she do anything else to your bottom? P.I.: That's all that she did. Investigator (I): What was it that she did to you? P.I.: I hate you. I hate you. Investigator (I): Oh, come on, if you just answer that you can go. P.I.: I hate you. Investigator (I): No you don't. P.I.: Yes I do. Investigator (I): You love me I can tell. Is that all that she did to you, what did she do to your hiney? Investigator (II): What did she do to your hiney? Then you can go. P.I.: I forgot. Investigator (II): Tell me what Kelly did to your hiney and then you can go. If you tell me what she did to your hiney we'll let you go. P.I.: No. Investigator (I): Please. P.I.: O.K. O.K. O.K. Investigator (I): Tell me now. P.I.: O.K. Investigator (I): What did Kelly do to your hiney? P.I.: I'll try to remember. Investigator (I): What did she put in your hiney? P.I.: The fork. Investigator (I): Did that hurt a lot? Did you bleed? P.I.: Nope.