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4rf7m9

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Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50u95c

d50xa63

I'd simply start selling for a competitor. If hes good at sales, he can steal the contracts. Plus he already knows what they are paying.

If your stepfather is over 40 he should consult an employment lawyer who handles employee cases to determine if he has an age discrimination case. He may have a very good case.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50o824

d50xa63

Sorry to hear this happened. The employer, as far as I know, does not need to provide the employee with a reason for the termination. What your father should do, and most likely his only recourse, is to file for unemployment. Once your father has filed for unemployment the employer will then be allowed to weigh in on the whether or not unemployment is allowed. The employer will either attempt to provide an acceptable reason (one that can be used to deny unemployment) or they will provide a reason that will not succeed in the denial of unemployment benefits. If you are denied unemployment benefits you should be able to appeal the initial decision, this is when you'll likely find out the reason given for the termination.

If your stepfather is over 40 he should consult an employment lawyer who handles employee cases to determine if he has an age discrimination case. He may have a very good case.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50lof3

d50xa63

Did your father have an employment contract?

If your stepfather is over 40 he should consult an employment lawyer who handles employee cases to determine if he has an age discrimination case. He may have a very good case.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50u21x

d50xa63

Unless your stepfather had an employment contract for a specified term that was not honored, he likely has no rights. If he was on commission, he might be entitled to income from sales in progress, but that would depend on the wording of his contract.

If your stepfather is over 40 he should consult an employment lawyer who handles employee cases to determine if he has an age discrimination case. He may have a very good case.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50lof3

d50u95c

Did your father have an employment contract?

I'd simply start selling for a competitor. If hes good at sales, he can steal the contracts. Plus he already knows what they are paying.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50u95c

d50u21x

I'd simply start selling for a competitor. If hes good at sales, he can steal the contracts. Plus he already knows what they are paying.

Unless your stepfather had an employment contract for a specified term that was not honored, he likely has no rights. If he was on commission, he might be entitled to income from sales in progress, but that would depend on the wording of his contract.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d50lof3

d50o824

Did your father have an employment contract?

Sorry to hear this happened. The employer, as far as I know, does not need to provide the employee with a reason for the termination. What your father should do, and most likely his only recourse, is to file for unemployment. Once your father has filed for unemployment the employer will then be allowed to weigh in on the whether or not unemployment is allowed. The employer will either attempt to provide an acceptable reason (one that can be used to deny unemployment) or they will provide a reason that will not succeed in the denial of unemployment benefits. If you are denied unemployment benefits you should be able to appeal the initial decision, this is when you'll likely find out the reason given for the termination.

4rf7m9

legaladvice_train

Stepfather was fired unexpectedly and has been refused a reason for his termination. Boss's son now gets his contracts, is this wrongful termination? We live in Huntsville, AL and this happened last week. My stepfather works at a printer/office supply renting leasing type company and he and my mom had just returned from vacation and when he went back to work they fired him, and although he asked their reasoning, they refused to explain. Now, his friends at the job have told him that all the contracts he had sold and negotiated were being passed on to the boss's son, and he is making easy money because of it. I was just wondering if this could qualify as wrongful termination because as far as anyone can tell, the only reason he was fired was so that the boss's son didn't actually have to work to sell anything and he could get paid commission for all the contracts that are soon to come back up that my stepdad was previously in charge of. I couldn't find anything in the AL or federal state codes but I did only give it a topical review. We plan on trying to set up a meeting in order to at least give the boss a chance to explain if there were other factors at play but, being as he was among their top salesman, had won them contracts with several large companies, and had a spotless record, I don't know of any other reason for him to be dropped.

d518l28

d50u21x

If your stepfather is over 40 and the boss' son is under 40 you might want to contact an attorney. He might have a solid age discrimination case. At the very least he might be able to really annoy the employer. In the interim, have him go file for unemployment. I am not a lawyer, but in this case, it's probably best that they didn't give another reason because I'm guessing they didn't document one either. All they'll be left with is replacing a high-performing older employee with a lazy, younger one.

Unless your stepfather had an employment contract for a specified term that was not honored, he likely has no rights. If he was on commission, he might be entitled to income from sales in progress, but that would depend on the wording of his contract.

gr9hqj

legaladvice_train

I only want to pay child support and they are forcing me to have a family My ex (22) is 4 months pregnant, it wasn't planned; we did talk about it that I didn't want to keep it but in the end she just decided to. Now she and her father is forcing me have a family with her in which I don't want but her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. I said I am wiiling to pay child support and give parental support as I am still the father of the child. I just don't want to be forced on having a family which I don't want. I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country.

frxiica

frxibxa

You don't have to assume any parental duties besides child support. (Please give them any of your family medical issues, they need to know.)

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gr9hqj

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I only want to pay child support and they are forcing me to have a family My ex (22) is 4 months pregnant, it wasn't planned; we did talk about it that I didn't want to keep it but in the end she just decided to. Now she and her father is forcing me have a family with her in which I don't want but her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. I said I am wiiling to pay child support and give parental support as I am still the father of the child. I just don't want to be forced on having a family which I don't want. I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country.

frxiiop

frxibxa

>her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. Can you elaborate

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gr9hqj

legaladvice_train

I only want to pay child support and they are forcing me to have a family My ex (22) is 4 months pregnant, it wasn't planned; we did talk about it that I didn't want to keep it but in the end she just decided to. Now she and her father is forcing me have a family with her in which I don't want but her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. I said I am wiiling to pay child support and give parental support as I am still the father of the child. I just don't want to be forced on having a family which I don't want. I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country.

frxmiwv

fry70vj

What country, state, or province do you live in ? In most places, and certainly everywhere in the US, a person or a court cannot force you to have a personal relationship with your children's mother or with your children. Courts can compel you to pay child support. That's all. In most places, demanding something intangible like "a relationship" is not money or property, so threatening defamation is not extortion. But if he actually does defame you, in a way that causes you money damages, you could (in theory) sue him in civil court. Most public comments about a man who gets your daughter pregnant then wants nothing to do with her are likely to be opinion, which is not defamatory. Defamatory statements must be about facts.

> I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country. The laws in the philippines support your position to only pay child support/parental support. That said, you know very well that in the Philippines, gun crime is *very common* and an aggrieved father may do drastic things. My suggestion is to move but do your legal obligations.

gr9hqj

legaladvice_train

I only want to pay child support and they are forcing me to have a family My ex (22) is 4 months pregnant, it wasn't planned; we did talk about it that I didn't want to keep it but in the end she just decided to. Now she and her father is forcing me have a family with her in which I don't want but her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. I said I am wiiling to pay child support and give parental support as I am still the father of the child. I just don't want to be forced on having a family which I don't want. I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country.

fry70vj

frxibxa

> I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country. The laws in the philippines support your position to only pay child support/parental support. That said, you know very well that in the Philippines, gun crime is *very common* and an aggrieved father may do drastic things. My suggestion is to move but do your legal obligations.

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gr9hqj

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I only want to pay child support and they are forcing me to have a family My ex (22) is 4 months pregnant, it wasn't planned; we did talk about it that I didn't want to keep it but in the end she just decided to. Now she and her father is forcing me have a family with her in which I don't want but her father is threatening me with either slander or defamation, maybe worse. I said I am wiiling to pay child support and give parental support as I am still the father of the child. I just don't want to be forced on having a family which I don't want. I am from the Philippines in which is an asian country.

frxmiwv

frxibxa

What country, state, or province do you live in ? In most places, and certainly everywhere in the US, a person or a court cannot force you to have a personal relationship with your children's mother or with your children. Courts can compel you to pay child support. That's all. In most places, demanding something intangible like "a relationship" is not money or property, so threatening defamation is not extortion. But if he actually does defame you, in a way that causes you money damages, you could (in theory) sue him in civil court. Most public comments about a man who gets your daughter pregnant then wants nothing to do with her are likely to be opinion, which is not defamatory. Defamatory statements must be about facts.

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baw2b7

legaladvice_train

My [28m] family insists on forcing my grandfather [78m] through medical cancer treatment and acts infantalizes him, take away his choice, and he's too sweet to stop them but told me privately he just "wants to die with dignity in his own house" My grandfather has been getting forgetful for a few years now. He practically raised me when I was a kid and has always been the strongest and most capable man I've ever known. He was a naval officer for decades, he ran companies, he was an avid traveller, a sailor with his own yaght winning many races. He was a handyman who built his own house from scratch, who could fix anything, do whatever he set his mind on. He was involved in civil rights. He could hear a piano tune play and immediately recreate it even without any formal training whatsoever. Now for years this brilliant man has been trapped in a body that is increasingly weaker and more frail. It breaks my heart. Last week when I visited him, he took my hand in his hand, pulled me closer to him and said: "I'm not afraid to die. But if I do, can you make sure it's in my own house, in my own bed, and with dignity?" I hate the way my mother, father and cousins, uncles and aunties talk about my grandfather and his condition. Not to mention my grandmother who for years has overfed him on pills and medications half of which I'm sure only made him worse, more desoriented and weaker. They infantalize him. They treat him like a big child. Like someone with hardly a will of his own. No respect. He wants to die with dignity. If the cancer gets worse, chances are he will be put in a hospital. Surgery and chemo may cause his mind to deteriorate at a faster rate. Which would be the worst thing they could ever do to a proud and strong man. Just because he's forgetful at times does not mean he is a child without a will of his own. Now my grandfather is the kindest soul you could imagine. And my grandmother's word is everything to him. He will go along with whatever she says, even if it's not what he wants. I have no allies in my family, which is quite large and loves my grandfather to death, to the degree that they overlook his quality of life and his own choices. They're blind and deaf to any arguments I make and at the same time I have a hard time talking privately to my grandfather without my grandma being present. **TL;DR:** My grandfather has cancer. His health, mental and physical, is in decline but he wants to die with honor and dignity and it looks like my family won't allow him that choice. **EDIT:** My location is Louisiana.

ekee3om

ekedyn3

While you grandfather is mentally competent he needs to meet with an attorney and draw up advanced directives and a power of attorney. The advanced directives can be a DNR or living will and the POA can give you the power to overrule *all* of your family when he declines to the point that he is no longer mentally competent. The POA will override your grandma's status as his wife and give medical decision making power to the one he names.

Contact the Governor’s Office of Elderly Affairs in Louisiana: http://goea.louisiana.gov/ Health care power of attorney forms are available on their website: http://goea.louisiana.gov/assets/docs/LouisianaHCPOA.pdf

baw2b7

legaladvice_train

My [28m] family insists on forcing my grandfather [78m] through medical cancer treatment and acts infantalizes him, take away his choice, and he's too sweet to stop them but told me privately he just "wants to die with dignity in his own house" My grandfather has been getting forgetful for a few years now. He practically raised me when I was a kid and has always been the strongest and most capable man I've ever known. He was a naval officer for decades, he ran companies, he was an avid traveller, a sailor with his own yaght winning many races. He was a handyman who built his own house from scratch, who could fix anything, do whatever he set his mind on. He was involved in civil rights. He could hear a piano tune play and immediately recreate it even without any formal training whatsoever. Now for years this brilliant man has been trapped in a body that is increasingly weaker and more frail. It breaks my heart. Last week when I visited him, he took my hand in his hand, pulled me closer to him and said: "I'm not afraid to die. But if I do, can you make sure it's in my own house, in my own bed, and with dignity?" I hate the way my mother, father and cousins, uncles and aunties talk about my grandfather and his condition. Not to mention my grandmother who for years has overfed him on pills and medications half of which I'm sure only made him worse, more desoriented and weaker. They infantalize him. They treat him like a big child. Like someone with hardly a will of his own. No respect. He wants to die with dignity. If the cancer gets worse, chances are he will be put in a hospital. Surgery and chemo may cause his mind to deteriorate at a faster rate. Which would be the worst thing they could ever do to a proud and strong man. Just because he's forgetful at times does not mean he is a child without a will of his own. Now my grandfather is the kindest soul you could imagine. And my grandmother's word is everything to him. He will go along with whatever she says, even if it's not what he wants. I have no allies in my family, which is quite large and loves my grandfather to death, to the degree that they overlook his quality of life and his own choices. They're blind and deaf to any arguments I make and at the same time I have a hard time talking privately to my grandfather without my grandma being present. **TL;DR:** My grandfather has cancer. His health, mental and physical, is in decline but he wants to die with honor and dignity and it looks like my family won't allow him that choice. **EDIT:** My location is Louisiana.

ekex5xw

ekedyn3

I am a medical social worker and I see this type of stuff all the time. The very best thing to do is to get Grandpa to sign a healthcare Power of attorney form (names someone close to him who he wants to have make his medical decisions), a living will (what he wants to have done if he is hospitalized and can't speak for himself), and an advance directive (whether or not he wants to have CPR done on him). Now you can have Grandpa go to his lawyer and get it done, but there is a way to have it done free, and it's completely legal. It's called "Five Wishes" and you can download and print it off of this site: https://pdfsimpli.com/forms/5-wishes-pdf/ When he fills it out, he just has to fill in the blanks, and then have someone sign it as a witness (someone different). There are a lot of different statements saying I want to have this done or I want to have that done. If he doesn't want that done, he just crosses it out. If there's something not listed, he puts that on the blank lines at the end of each "wish." The most important thing about this document is 1. keep it safe (because if family members disagree with it, they may make it disappear, KWIM?). and 2. keep it handy, because if Grandpa's heart suddenly stops and he needs CPR, you need to produce that Wishes document to show that he doesn't want CPR (or whatever). This is not the kind of document that you sign and then put in the filing cabinet for years. This is the document that you sign and then put on the fridge or on the side of his bed, somewhere where medical professionals will see it.

Contact the Governor’s Office of Elderly Affairs in Louisiana: http://goea.louisiana.gov/ Health care power of attorney forms are available on their website: http://goea.louisiana.gov/assets/docs/LouisianaHCPOA.pdf

baw2b7

legaladvice_train

My [28m] family insists on forcing my grandfather [78m] through medical cancer treatment and acts infantalizes him, take away his choice, and he's too sweet to stop them but told me privately he just "wants to die with dignity in his own house" My grandfather has been getting forgetful for a few years now. He practically raised me when I was a kid and has always been the strongest and most capable man I've ever known. He was a naval officer for decades, he ran companies, he was an avid traveller, a sailor with his own yaght winning many races. He was a handyman who built his own house from scratch, who could fix anything, do whatever he set his mind on. He was involved in civil rights. He could hear a piano tune play and immediately recreate it even without any formal training whatsoever. Now for years this brilliant man has been trapped in a body that is increasingly weaker and more frail. It breaks my heart. Last week when I visited him, he took my hand in his hand, pulled me closer to him and said: "I'm not afraid to die. But if I do, can you make sure it's in my own house, in my own bed, and with dignity?" I hate the way my mother, father and cousins, uncles and aunties talk about my grandfather and his condition. Not to mention my grandmother who for years has overfed him on pills and medications half of which I'm sure only made him worse, more desoriented and weaker. They infantalize him. They treat him like a big child. Like someone with hardly a will of his own. No respect. He wants to die with dignity. If the cancer gets worse, chances are he will be put in a hospital. Surgery and chemo may cause his mind to deteriorate at a faster rate. Which would be the worst thing they could ever do to a proud and strong man. Just because he's forgetful at times does not mean he is a child without a will of his own. Now my grandfather is the kindest soul you could imagine. And my grandmother's word is everything to him. He will go along with whatever she says, even if it's not what he wants. I have no allies in my family, which is quite large and loves my grandfather to death, to the degree that they overlook his quality of life and his own choices. They're blind and deaf to any arguments I make and at the same time I have a hard time talking privately to my grandfather without my grandma being present. **TL;DR:** My grandfather has cancer. His health, mental and physical, is in decline but he wants to die with honor and dignity and it looks like my family won't allow him that choice. **EDIT:** My location is Louisiana.

ekedyn3

ekf2qpq

Contact the Governor’s Office of Elderly Affairs in Louisiana: http://goea.louisiana.gov/ Health care power of attorney forms are available on their website: http://goea.louisiana.gov/assets/docs/LouisianaHCPOA.pdf

> Now my grandfather is the kindest soul you could imagine. And my grandmother's word is everything to him. He will go along with whatever she says, even if it's not what he wants. I understand that you care about your grandfather a lot and it seems like no one else is in his corner, but he needs to make his wishes known to them too. It sounds like he's asking you to drive a huge wedge between yourself and your family, in order to fight a battle he's not willing to fight himself. If they see you as interfering with his treatment (not knowing his true desires because he's not willing to state them) then this is the kind of thing that could completely *destroy* your relationship with your entire family, not to mention the lengthy legal battles you may have to go through if they think you've somehow manipulated him into doing things that aren't in his best interests (even though they *ARE* because he's told you so *IN PRIVATE*).

fhmadp

legaladvice_train

My sister is relapsing and my family refuses to tell DCF because they are afraid my niece will get adopted out if my sister fails the program. . She is in [CA]. I am in [NH]. My 38yo Sister has had her 3 year old child taken away for the past 2 years by the state of California because my sister is an addict and abuses to the point of passing out. She has been in the DCF system and it due to get her child back in May. Recently she has been relapsing (3+) times and my mother and family is refusing to tell DCF about it because if my sister relapses its likely the State will take her away for good. I fear for my nieces safety under the care of my sister. To my understanding once her case closes she will regain full custody. I don't believe she can take care of my niece and will continue to relapse. I know morally i have a duty to report this. However i come to you all asking if i have a chance of being held legally liable in some form or fashion should something happen to my niece under my sister's care? What steps can i take now (other than sabotaging my sister) to prevent liability? Thank you all for any and all responses.

fkc5wyv

fkc95ew

Are you a teacher, nurse, or something that would fall under mandated reporter status? My sister in law does respite work for my daughter and now she’s technically a mandated reporter. You have a moral obligation but not really a legal one?

Here are the contacts for reporting suspected child abuse in all CA counties. Your niece already has an open case. It is important for her social worker to know about suspected drug use of the parent. However, be genuinely concerned. Child welfare gets a lot of phony spiteful reports from angry lovers and neighbors, which are a waste of resources. You would only be legally liable if you were a mandated reporter who saw the suspected abuse during your job duties. You would know if your job makes you a mandated reporter

ydlliw

legaladvice_train

My younger brother died, I have his kid. My brother died in June of 2020. My husband and I have been primary caregivers since then. His mother, X, is not the mothering type and often doesn't ask about or see him for weeks, and months at a time. Kid is 3 and never had his own bed there. She gets him when it's convenient for her. So she has a new partner and this other girl just had her 4 kids removed from the home. This happened last Thursday night. I got a call and told CPS was there, they were being evicted, could I come get him. I did and CPS caseworker said he was removing other girls kids and X was just named in the investigation. They are now trying to find housing across state lines to give them time to clean up before CPS catches up. We want to draw something up that gives me guardianship. Problem is she is desperate to hold on to his SS check. She can keep that, we just need him to stay with us. How can it be worded without excluding her from being mom, but making it legal that he resides with us. I need to be able to enroll him in school, keep his dr and medicaid stuff straight without the worry of her calling or being able to undo anything.

ittypf6

itt61cf

Reach out to CPS, and ask them for assistance in establishing some type of custodial control. Additionally, ask them for any information they have on resources to support him. As kin, you may be able to get additional support (in my state they could pay medical expenses and for day care, etc.) tell them you want to go for guardianship.

She is already committing fraud by recieving his SSI check when he doesn't reside with her; the rules for custodial SSI are very clear about this.

ydlliw

legaladvice_train

My younger brother died, I have his kid. My brother died in June of 2020. My husband and I have been primary caregivers since then. His mother, X, is not the mothering type and often doesn't ask about or see him for weeks, and months at a time. Kid is 3 and never had his own bed there. She gets him when it's convenient for her. So she has a new partner and this other girl just had her 4 kids removed from the home. This happened last Thursday night. I got a call and told CPS was there, they were being evicted, could I come get him. I did and CPS caseworker said he was removing other girls kids and X was just named in the investigation. They are now trying to find housing across state lines to give them time to clean up before CPS catches up. We want to draw something up that gives me guardianship. Problem is she is desperate to hold on to his SS check. She can keep that, we just need him to stay with us. How can it be worded without excluding her from being mom, but making it legal that he resides with us. I need to be able to enroll him in school, keep his dr and medicaid stuff straight without the worry of her calling or being able to undo anything.

ittypf6

itt1kxb

Reach out to CPS, and ask them for assistance in establishing some type of custodial control. Additionally, ask them for any information they have on resources to support him. As kin, you may be able to get additional support (in my state they could pay medical expenses and for day care, etc.) tell them you want to go for guardianship.

You need an attorney, You'll have to pursue guardianship through the courts if the mother won't allow the child to stay with you. There's no guarantee the court will place him with you over his mother.

ydlliw

legaladvice_train

My younger brother died, I have his kid. My brother died in June of 2020. My husband and I have been primary caregivers since then. His mother, X, is not the mothering type and often doesn't ask about or see him for weeks, and months at a time. Kid is 3 and never had his own bed there. She gets him when it's convenient for her. So she has a new partner and this other girl just had her 4 kids removed from the home. This happened last Thursday night. I got a call and told CPS was there, they were being evicted, could I come get him. I did and CPS caseworker said he was removing other girls kids and X was just named in the investigation. They are now trying to find housing across state lines to give them time to clean up before CPS catches up. We want to draw something up that gives me guardianship. Problem is she is desperate to hold on to his SS check. She can keep that, we just need him to stay with us. How can it be worded without excluding her from being mom, but making it legal that he resides with us. I need to be able to enroll him in school, keep his dr and medicaid stuff straight without the worry of her calling or being able to undo anything.

ittypf6

ittk12g

Reach out to CPS, and ask them for assistance in establishing some type of custodial control. Additionally, ask them for any information they have on resources to support him. As kin, you may be able to get additional support (in my state they could pay medical expenses and for day care, etc.) tell them you want to go for guardianship.

\_\_ Not legal advice \_\_ First and foremost, props to you for doing what you're doing. Any brother would be blessed and proud to have a sister like you. Go to your local court, there are guardianship clinics you can reach out to (for free) with an attorney present (for free) to give you the necessary advise. However, since there is a mother present, you will 'most likely' need her blessing / signature on the papers, in order to become a legal guardian. Please note, your income may affect the SS if high pay / income, you won't get SS which ultimately leads to the mother not getting it, which ultimately leads to things not going the way you want it. So, use your wording carefully (what may happen in the future, does not necessarily need to be discussed) as it's a mere possibility, and it's not your job to do so. best of luck to you.

ydlliw

legaladvice_train

My younger brother died, I have his kid. My brother died in June of 2020. My husband and I have been primary caregivers since then. His mother, X, is not the mothering type and often doesn't ask about or see him for weeks, and months at a time. Kid is 3 and never had his own bed there. She gets him when it's convenient for her. So she has a new partner and this other girl just had her 4 kids removed from the home. This happened last Thursday night. I got a call and told CPS was there, they were being evicted, could I come get him. I did and CPS caseworker said he was removing other girls kids and X was just named in the investigation. They are now trying to find housing across state lines to give them time to clean up before CPS catches up. We want to draw something up that gives me guardianship. Problem is she is desperate to hold on to his SS check. She can keep that, we just need him to stay with us. How can it be worded without excluding her from being mom, but making it legal that he resides with us. I need to be able to enroll him in school, keep his dr and medicaid stuff straight without the worry of her calling or being able to undo anything.

itt61cf

itt1kxb

She is already committing fraud by recieving his SSI check when he doesn't reside with her; the rules for custodial SSI are very clear about this.

You need an attorney, You'll have to pursue guardianship through the courts if the mother won't allow the child to stay with you. There's no guarantee the court will place him with you over his mother.

ydlliw

legaladvice_train

My younger brother died, I have his kid. My brother died in June of 2020. My husband and I have been primary caregivers since then. His mother, X, is not the mothering type and often doesn't ask about or see him for weeks, and months at a time. Kid is 3 and never had his own bed there. She gets him when it's convenient for her. So she has a new partner and this other girl just had her 4 kids removed from the home. This happened last Thursday night. I got a call and told CPS was there, they were being evicted, could I come get him. I did and CPS caseworker said he was removing other girls kids and X was just named in the investigation. They are now trying to find housing across state lines to give them time to clean up before CPS catches up. We want to draw something up that gives me guardianship. Problem is she is desperate to hold on to his SS check. She can keep that, we just need him to stay with us. How can it be worded without excluding her from being mom, but making it legal that he resides with us. I need to be able to enroll him in school, keep his dr and medicaid stuff straight without the worry of her calling or being able to undo anything.

itwr5zn

itx0ak2

Where are you located? I know CPS in some states will have their lawyers put together petitions for uncontested guardianship cases where the child may otherwise end up in the system. I've been a guardian ad litem on one such case - basically mom abandoned the child with grandma, grandma needed legal status to enroll him in school/get benefits, etc. It was simple, but the petition itself has a lot of technical requirements you don't want to miss. Also, the mother can sign guardianship over to you. Doesn't terminate parental rights, but she doesn't have the right to just come take him either.

Get a family lawyer, she’s obviously unfit to have kids. Also she SHOULD NOT keep his SS check (not sure why he even got that but if you are the caretaker of his kid, the court will probably take that away from her so you can use it to care for him). Please get a lawyer to take that check and designate that it goes towards the kids support, not what she wants to use it on . If they were never married she shouldn’t have it ).

edfur0

legaladvice_train

Can my parents force me to take custody of my niece? (I'm in California) Hi, I'm really new to reddit. I'm a 17 year old girl living with her parents, who are very religious. My brother has a drug problem and so does his wife. They have a kid. They've both been arrested. My parents are saying that it's my legal responsibility to take custody of their kid because I turn 18 next week and it's the law that I have to adopt my niece. I can't find any law that says this, but I can't be sure. I told them I'm going to college (which they didn't know I plan on doing) and they said that's not important, that I have a Godly and legal duty to this child and they will find me a husband to make money to pay bills. I guess my question is: is there really a law that says I have to take custody of my niece? I love her but I can't take care of a two year old. I also don't want to marry some random man to "take care" of me. I think my parents are just wanting to not have to take her. They keep telling me that if she goes "into the system" they'll turn me in for child abuse and I'll go to jail. I don't want that. Is there really a way they can force me to take her? And what really happens to her if I don't? Sorry if this is all over the place, I'm just really scared and I can't afford a lawyer, I have no money. Thank you in advance.

fbi0zlt

fbhnepl

Not only can your parents (or the law) make you take care of the child. At 18 with only a high school education and living with your parents, it is unlikely the state would even give you custody. You would not have the financial ability to care for this child

Hahaha no. Your parents almost certainly are better able to take care of a toddler, they've done it before. You are in no way obligated and it is extremely rare that anyone would ever assign custody of child over to a sibling, much less a young child over to an 18 year old. Worst case if you don't take her and your parents give her up - she is assigned to a foster family. Most are really good people.

edfur0

legaladvice_train

Can my parents force me to take custody of my niece? (I'm in California) Hi, I'm really new to reddit. I'm a 17 year old girl living with her parents, who are very religious. My brother has a drug problem and so does his wife. They have a kid. They've both been arrested. My parents are saying that it's my legal responsibility to take custody of their kid because I turn 18 next week and it's the law that I have to adopt my niece. I can't find any law that says this, but I can't be sure. I told them I'm going to college (which they didn't know I plan on doing) and they said that's not important, that I have a Godly and legal duty to this child and they will find me a husband to make money to pay bills. I guess my question is: is there really a law that says I have to take custody of my niece? I love her but I can't take care of a two year old. I also don't want to marry some random man to "take care" of me. I think my parents are just wanting to not have to take her. They keep telling me that if she goes "into the system" they'll turn me in for child abuse and I'll go to jail. I don't want that. Is there really a way they can force me to take her? And what really happens to her if I don't? Sorry if this is all over the place, I'm just really scared and I can't afford a lawyer, I have no money. Thank you in advance.

fbhq4ku

fbi0zlt

Here are some links to help you find Free and low cost legal help Your college may also have legal services for students. If there is a law school in the area, they may also have free or low cost legal clinics. You can contact Child Protective Services in the county where you live. Tell them the situation. Ask them for assistance in getting help for your niece. They won't make you take your niece and they won't accuse you of child abuse; they will make sure she is taken care of by the right people. If you call CPS now, you can get people looking after your niece before your parents abandon her. If the child is dumped off on your door step, call the police. Tell them a child has been abandoned.

Not only can your parents (or the law) make you take care of the child. At 18 with only a high school education and living with your parents, it is unlikely the state would even give you custody. You would not have the financial ability to care for this child

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6esnmi

i6ero3r

Truth is a defense to defamation and providing factual references with opinion, such as “I once caught him taking my wife’s bras to his car, he returned one and tried to put another in his car, I don’t trust him and would not hire him” is likely fine based on the facts as you have presented them. I would not delve into speculation about other events that may have happened, as if they are presented as fact and he can show they are false you would, in theory, open yourself up to a defamation claim. The absolute safest path is to either not provide a reference, by not responding at all, or by saying “I don’t feel comfortable recommending this person” and saying nothing else.

I would just decline. You can tell the truth. You caught him stealing two items one time. The first instinct is correct.

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6g0rdk

i6g4skf

Just decline Even if you have truth on your side the cost of litigation is high and is not with exposing yourself to the risk What would you have to gain other than sticking it to him? Ignore and move on

“I am unable to provide a recommendation for this person.”

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6fmb80

i6g4skf

I would take the non confrontational role here and just decline to provide a recommendation. You can always let him know you’re too busy to help out and that should be a hint. Or you can follow your instinct and just block him and he’ll move on. You aren’t obligated to help anyone who stole from you.

“I am unable to provide a recommendation for this person.”

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6frx3b

i6g4skf

Let him know he doesn’t want your recommendation.

“I am unable to provide a recommendation for this person.”

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6g4skf

i6fvz03

“I am unable to provide a recommendation for this person.”

Does he know he was fired for stealing your wife's bras? He also stole your daughter's sippy cups? It's too bad you didn't report him at the time. It wasn't about stealing, but the thrill of taking personal items from a woman and girl. This kind of behaviour is a predictor of later sexually predatory behaviour. Think about why he would ask you for a reference. He knows what he did.

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6g4skf

i6fwp5u

“I am unable to provide a recommendation for this person.”

Say NO! Or if you prefer, No Thank You!

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6fmb80

i6g0rdk

I would take the non confrontational role here and just decline to provide a recommendation. You can always let him know you’re too busy to help out and that should be a hint. Or you can follow your instinct and just block him and he’ll move on. You aren’t obligated to help anyone who stole from you.

Just decline Even if you have truth on your side the cost of litigation is high and is not with exposing yourself to the risk What would you have to gain other than sticking it to him? Ignore and move on

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6frx3b

i6g0rdk

Let him know he doesn’t want your recommendation.

Just decline Even if you have truth on your side the cost of litigation is high and is not with exposing yourself to the risk What would you have to gain other than sticking it to him? Ignore and move on

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6g0rdk

i6fvz03

Just decline Even if you have truth on your side the cost of litigation is high and is not with exposing yourself to the risk What would you have to gain other than sticking it to him? Ignore and move on

Does he know he was fired for stealing your wife's bras? He also stole your daughter's sippy cups? It's too bad you didn't report him at the time. It wasn't about stealing, but the thrill of taking personal items from a woman and girl. This kind of behaviour is a predictor of later sexually predatory behaviour. Think about why he would ask you for a reference. He knows what he did.

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6fwp5u

i6g0rdk

Say NO! Or if you prefer, No Thank You!

Just decline Even if you have truth on your side the cost of litigation is high and is not with exposing yourself to the risk What would you have to gain other than sticking it to him? Ignore and move on

ud5vrh

legaladvice_train

[Texas] The guy who stole from me wants me to write him a letter of recommendation. What am I allowed to say? My former housekeeper’s son asked me to write him a letter of recommendation today. He used to steal my wife’s bras. We caught him carrying two out to his car one day. He froze in place, said “oops,” and returned *one* and honest-to-god tried to sneak the other into his car. I strongly suspect he stole our tableware, plates, and glasses too. I never caught him red-handed with them, but they only disappeared on days he and his mom came to clean. It wasn’t even our *nice* kitchen stuff either; he stole our decade-old IKEA plates, forks, knives, and spoons, along with all of our daughter’s sippy-cups and straws. He was in his twenties when he did all of this. And now he’s asking me to write a letter of recommendation. How much liability am I exposing myself to if I figure out who this clown wants me to send this letter to and tell them he’s a thief? There is no criminal record that I am aware of because we never filed a police report; we just fired him and his mom and replaced our stuff (including the bras)—and I know we are *very* lucky to have been able to do that. My first instinct is just to delete the email and block this guy’s address and be done with him, but the sheer temerity of his “may I ask a favor of you?” is *really* getting to me.

i6gpoa6

i6hduum

“Bring the bra back and we’ll talk”. And then when you get the bra back, say “nah. “

Recommend very politely declining. Don’t know him well enough to say anything one way or another , did not work directly for you. I don’t give references, it’s a personal thing etc…Too easy to create a possibly unhinged response if you become the ‘reason’ he doesn’t get hired.

8s57vz

legaladvice_train

Over $5000 of musical gear was stolen from me in OK. I reported it stolen to local PD. 3 weeks later, I find it listed for sale online in a store located in CO. The guy who sold it out there is a suspect I named on the police report. But neither LE office is going to pursue criminal charges. Why?

e0wofjx

e0wno68

Were your items entered into NCIC? If yes, go light up the agency in whose jurisdiction they were recovered. There's always going to be some poor detective who's new on the job and has various shitty things he needs to do and is looking for an easy win. Find him/her. If the agency has a Facebook page, ping it. Same goes for Twitter, email, etc. Send them a public records request for any incident report related to the theft. People often say "Let the detectives do their jobs," but if you can be both loud and *helpful* (for example, by providing serial numbers, providing a statement asserting the relationship between the girl and the thief, etc.) you'll get much further along.

How did he steal it?

8s57vz

legaladvice_train

Over $5000 of musical gear was stolen from me in OK. I reported it stolen to local PD. 3 weeks later, I find it listed for sale online in a store located in CO. The guy who sold it out there is a suspect I named on the police report. But neither LE office is going to pursue criminal charges. Why?

e0xoyu5

e0xhaw1

The store has your stuff. They screwed up and bought stolen property. Demand they make it available for pickup and arrange for someone to get it. In writing, lots of ways, call and document. If the store sells it, file a complaint with the police about the store knowingly selling stolen property. And sue the store for the value of the property. That's a possible course of action.

Is it possible that this guy is involved in worse crimes? It sounds a little like a tv show plot, but if there's an ongoing investigation on him for more serious charges, they may not want to jeopardize that case for yours.

bk4bmu

legaladvice_train

(CA) Fifteen year old daughter was given a vandalism citation for drawing crayon pictures on cement at apartment complex where she lives. "Graffiti" was washed off by my daughter the next day. Two families now facing eviction based on rental manager pressing charges. My daughter and her friend were hanging out at rental office/pool facilities after hours with two other boys they know from their school . Manager see kids on security cam and call police. Just before police arrive boys leave and police question daughter and friend. Police said they would have given a warning but manager wanted to press charges. Manager later talks to my ex-wife and says that because the boys were guests of the daughters they are responsible for the "graffiti" and she would be putting through a 30 Day eviction notice. This seems bizarre to me and not exactly sure what my next steps should be. Understandably my ex-wife is freaking out. This can't be legal. I do have the arresting officers phone number, should I be calling him for further information? Thank you for any insight.

emdsrei

eme56bw

What does your lease agreement say? Honestly not to sound like a downer, it was some destruction to property. I mean if they were children such as 3-7 maybe you could fight . Chances are , they were cited and they will most likely have to pay a fine it’s nothing to serious. However on the eviction, I would say you don’t have to much of a case. You can try to argue it once they bring a unlawful detainer action. Hopefully the judge will see how minor it is . Either way good luck

California cop here... For the criminal side of your question... How old is your daughter? There is a brand new law in California that police cannot question a minor under 15 without a lawyer present. Period. Parents and Miranda doesn't matter. Bring that up with your defense attorney because you stated the police came and questioned your daughter. But more importantly... If your daughter didn't commit the crime... Why was she given a ticket? The boys she was with Drew on the ground, right? I'm a little confused on that point. Edit: your daughter is 15... Duh. Yeahhh... Do some research on that new CA law, or at least bring it up with the defense attorney.

bk4bmu

legaladvice_train

(CA) Fifteen year old daughter was given a vandalism citation for drawing crayon pictures on cement at apartment complex where she lives. "Graffiti" was washed off by my daughter the next day. Two families now facing eviction based on rental manager pressing charges. My daughter and her friend were hanging out at rental office/pool facilities after hours with two other boys they know from their school . Manager see kids on security cam and call police. Just before police arrive boys leave and police question daughter and friend. Police said they would have given a warning but manager wanted to press charges. Manager later talks to my ex-wife and says that because the boys were guests of the daughters they are responsible for the "graffiti" and she would be putting through a 30 Day eviction notice. This seems bizarre to me and not exactly sure what my next steps should be. Understandably my ex-wife is freaking out. This can't be legal. I do have the arresting officers phone number, should I be calling him for further information? Thank you for any insight.

emfbcau

emexhhu

Unsupervised teens hanging out at an apartment pool after hours is a serious potential liability issue for the property owners. The graffiti and vandalism citations are just the icing on the cake. The fact that your daughter cleaned it up doesn't negate that she did it in the first place. Assuming that the lease allows it, and it almost definitely does, the eviction is legal.

What exactly was drawn on the sidewalks?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekufja

dekuhr8

1. Stop carrying a fucking gun over this. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a long time. 2. Get an attorney.

If you are legally allowed to carry a firearm then you may do so. No one here has any idea what the circumstances are, but if they are following you they are doing a piss-poor job of it since the idea should be that you have no idea that they are there. Surveillance like you describe is very expensive and resource intensive. If it is the police or another agency, it will be very short lived unless they have a really REALLY good reason to believe that you're involved in something beyond "I'm related to organized crime."

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del4nhl

del33br

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

There are other actors who engage in surveillance besides law enforcement agencies. As others have said, this is piss poor surveillance. If they had half an idea of how to do their jobs, you wouldn't know they were there. I have been surveilled. And it is unsettling, creepy, and invasive. It was also being done by a surveillance company. A "private eye" agency. On behalf of litigants in a dispute which a friend of mine was a party to (long story, not relevant here). I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know how or why I was being surveilled for about a week, and until I found out why, I was in what felt like a government thriller / sci-fi movie of my own life. It was pretty fucking awful. I learned from that experience how invasive simply being surveilled can be. And I also learned how it frequently takes place by private companies, not the cops. As far as the numbers-only plates, I don't know man. Just keep in mind, this might not be the cops at all. It might be a for-hire company. Especially given their incredibly shitty surveillance tactics.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del3h6v

del4nhl

Have you checked to see if you have a carbon monoxide detector at home?

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekufja

del4nhl

1. Stop carrying a fucking gun over this. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a long time. 2. Get an attorney.

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del4nhl

dekx0zh

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

Have you tried going and knocking on the window of the van and asking them? If it is LEA they aren't going to shoot you for knocking on the window.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del0vl3

del4nhl

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekula8

del4nhl

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del4nhl

del4778

There's a non-zero chance that your house could get searched before this is all over. Do some housecleaning now, and get rid of anything that's dubious. That expired pain prescription your old girlfriend left in the medicine cabinet? Those pills go down the toilet, and the empty bottle gets thrown away *at work*. Do you have too many doses of cold remedies with pseudoephedrine? The extras go down the toilet. That single counterfeit $20 you got in your change once and kept as a curio? That goes through the shredder *at work*. Are you certain that any firearms you bought in another jurisdiction are legal in your current location? Are you *certain* that the shotgun you inherited from Uncle Willy has a legal length barrel? If you have a landline at home, do you use modern cordless phones with good security, or are you still using 900Mhz cordless phones from back-in-the-day that broadcast both sides of the conversation in clear?

There's nothing stopping you from just asking them. If they were going to arrest or hurt you in some way, they would have done that already. Personally, Id go to a 7-11 and buy a soda and some chips or something. Then, Id give it to the driver inside (as a sign of goodwill) and ask whats up.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekufja

del33br

1. Stop carrying a fucking gun over this. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a long time. 2. Get an attorney.

There are other actors who engage in surveillance besides law enforcement agencies. As others have said, this is piss poor surveillance. If they had half an idea of how to do their jobs, you wouldn't know they were there. I have been surveilled. And it is unsettling, creepy, and invasive. It was also being done by a surveillance company. A "private eye" agency. On behalf of litigants in a dispute which a friend of mine was a party to (long story, not relevant here). I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know how or why I was being surveilled for about a week, and until I found out why, I was in what felt like a government thriller / sci-fi movie of my own life. It was pretty fucking awful. I learned from that experience how invasive simply being surveilled can be. And I also learned how it frequently takes place by private companies, not the cops. As far as the numbers-only plates, I don't know man. Just keep in mind, this might not be the cops at all. It might be a for-hire company. Especially given their incredibly shitty surveillance tactics.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekx0zh

del33br

Have you tried going and knocking on the window of the van and asking them? If it is LEA they aren't going to shoot you for knocking on the window.

There are other actors who engage in surveillance besides law enforcement agencies. As others have said, this is piss poor surveillance. If they had half an idea of how to do their jobs, you wouldn't know they were there. I have been surveilled. And it is unsettling, creepy, and invasive. It was also being done by a surveillance company. A "private eye" agency. On behalf of litigants in a dispute which a friend of mine was a party to (long story, not relevant here). I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know how or why I was being surveilled for about a week, and until I found out why, I was in what felt like a government thriller / sci-fi movie of my own life. It was pretty fucking awful. I learned from that experience how invasive simply being surveilled can be. And I also learned how it frequently takes place by private companies, not the cops. As far as the numbers-only plates, I don't know man. Just keep in mind, this might not be the cops at all. It might be a for-hire company. Especially given their incredibly shitty surveillance tactics.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del33br

del0vl3

There are other actors who engage in surveillance besides law enforcement agencies. As others have said, this is piss poor surveillance. If they had half an idea of how to do their jobs, you wouldn't know they were there. I have been surveilled. And it is unsettling, creepy, and invasive. It was also being done by a surveillance company. A "private eye" agency. On behalf of litigants in a dispute which a friend of mine was a party to (long story, not relevant here). I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know how or why I was being surveilled for about a week, and until I found out why, I was in what felt like a government thriller / sci-fi movie of my own life. It was pretty fucking awful. I learned from that experience how invasive simply being surveilled can be. And I also learned how it frequently takes place by private companies, not the cops. As far as the numbers-only plates, I don't know man. Just keep in mind, this might not be the cops at all. It might be a for-hire company. Especially given their incredibly shitty surveillance tactics.

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del33br

dekula8

There are other actors who engage in surveillance besides law enforcement agencies. As others have said, this is piss poor surveillance. If they had half an idea of how to do their jobs, you wouldn't know they were there. I have been surveilled. And it is unsettling, creepy, and invasive. It was also being done by a surveillance company. A "private eye" agency. On behalf of litigants in a dispute which a friend of mine was a party to (long story, not relevant here). I didn't know that at the time. I didn't know how or why I was being surveilled for about a week, and until I found out why, I was in what felt like a government thriller / sci-fi movie of my own life. It was pretty fucking awful. I learned from that experience how invasive simply being surveilled can be. And I also learned how it frequently takes place by private companies, not the cops. As far as the numbers-only plates, I don't know man. Just keep in mind, this might not be the cops at all. It might be a for-hire company. Especially given their incredibly shitty surveillance tactics.

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekufja

del3h6v

1. Stop carrying a fucking gun over this. That is the stupidest fucking thing I have read in a long time. 2. Get an attorney.

Have you checked to see if you have a carbon monoxide detector at home?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del3h6v

dekx0zh

Have you checked to see if you have a carbon monoxide detector at home?

Have you tried going and knocking on the window of the van and asking them? If it is LEA they aren't going to shoot you for knocking on the window.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del3h6v

del0vl3

Have you checked to see if you have a carbon monoxide detector at home?

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekula8

del3h6v

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

Have you checked to see if you have a carbon monoxide detector at home?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekx0zh

delaal0

Have you tried going and knocking on the window of the van and asking them? If it is LEA they aren't going to shoot you for knocking on the window.

Are you positive that the license plate has only numbers? Is it exempt? http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Texas3/tx2017exempt.jpg If it is, this IS government. But as other stated it would have to be the most piss poor surveillance I've ever heard of. Get a lawyer if you want. This seems pretty obnoxious. Don't listen to this but I'd wave at them, bring them donuts or something, but just the cheeky part of me. See if your lawyer can write them a nasty letter or something and listen to his advice.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

delaal0

del0vl3

Are you positive that the license plate has only numbers? Is it exempt? http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Texas3/tx2017exempt.jpg If it is, this IS government. But as other stated it would have to be the most piss poor surveillance I've ever heard of. Get a lawyer if you want. This seems pretty obnoxious. Don't listen to this but I'd wave at them, bring them donuts or something, but just the cheeky part of me. See if your lawyer can write them a nasty letter or something and listen to his advice.

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del8w2j

delaal0

Get a carafe of coffee and a box of donuts and bring it to the cops doing surveillance out of that van.

Are you positive that the license plate has only numbers? Is it exempt? http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Texas3/tx2017exempt.jpg If it is, this IS government. But as other stated it would have to be the most piss poor surveillance I've ever heard of. Get a lawyer if you want. This seems pretty obnoxious. Don't listen to this but I'd wave at them, bring them donuts or something, but just the cheeky part of me. See if your lawyer can write them a nasty letter or something and listen to his advice.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekula8

delaal0

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

Are you positive that the license plate has only numbers? Is it exempt? http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Texas3/tx2017exempt.jpg If it is, this IS government. But as other stated it would have to be the most piss poor surveillance I've ever heard of. Get a lawyer if you want. This seems pretty obnoxious. Don't listen to this but I'd wave at them, bring them donuts or something, but just the cheeky part of me. See if your lawyer can write them a nasty letter or something and listen to his advice.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

delaal0

del4778

Are you positive that the license plate has only numbers? Is it exempt? http://www.plateshack.com/y2k/Texas3/tx2017exempt.jpg If it is, this IS government. But as other stated it would have to be the most piss poor surveillance I've ever heard of. Get a lawyer if you want. This seems pretty obnoxious. Don't listen to this but I'd wave at them, bring them donuts or something, but just the cheeky part of me. See if your lawyer can write them a nasty letter or something and listen to his advice.

There's nothing stopping you from just asking them. If they were going to arrest or hurt you in some way, they would have done that already. Personally, Id go to a 7-11 and buy a soda and some chips or something. Then, Id give it to the driver inside (as a sign of goodwill) and ask whats up.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

dekula8

dekx0zh

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

Have you tried going and knocking on the window of the van and asking them? If it is LEA they aren't going to shoot you for knocking on the window.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del8w2j

del0vl3

Get a carafe of coffee and a box of donuts and bring it to the cops doing surveillance out of that van.

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

delfiv9

del0vl3

Make sure to get a dash camera and also a IP camera for your house, esp if you want to carry the gun. This will protect you if it is the police. Also call the police back every time you see the van. Do so till they come out and get a police report. If you have security at work tell them about it as well. CYA Me, I would walk out to the van with my cell phone camera on and say hello. Not saying for you to do that but that's me. I hate drama so I put stuff like this to bed real fast.

Just a thought - if this is law enforcement your phone may be tapped, too.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del8w2j

delfiv9

Get a carafe of coffee and a box of donuts and bring it to the cops doing surveillance out of that van.

Make sure to get a dash camera and also a IP camera for your house, esp if you want to carry the gun. This will protect you if it is the police. Also call the police back every time you see the van. Do so till they come out and get a police report. If you have security at work tell them about it as well. CYA Me, I would walk out to the van with my cell phone camera on and say hello. Not saying for you to do that but that's me. I hate drama so I put stuff like this to bed real fast.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

del8w2j

del4778

Get a carafe of coffee and a box of donuts and bring it to the cops doing surveillance out of that van.

There's nothing stopping you from just asking them. If they were going to arrest or hurt you in some way, they would have done that already. Personally, Id go to a 7-11 and buy a soda and some chips or something. Then, Id give it to the driver inside (as a sign of goodwill) and ask whats up.

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

delfiv9

dekula8

Make sure to get a dash camera and also a IP camera for your house, esp if you want to carry the gun. This will protect you if it is the police. Also call the police back every time you see the van. Do so till they come out and get a police report. If you have security at work tell them about it as well. CYA Me, I would walk out to the van with my cell phone camera on and say hello. Not saying for you to do that but that's me. I hate drama so I put stuff like this to bed real fast.

I am not a lawyer If you think they're Law Enforcement, why are you carrying your firearm in your vehicle, when you are specifically recommended *against* it by your locals?

5xu46j

legaladvice_train

I think I am being investigated by a higher law enforcement agency for stuff that distant relatives are doing. So I have been kind of paranoid for the last few days and I am unsure of how to proceed. Since Monday of two weeks ago someone has been parking a black panel van outside my house and followed me to work. When I say follow I mean the van would remain where it was until I got to work. However when I would go out for lunch it would be in the parking lot. At first I assumed coincidence until I saw the car outside of the grocery store one day when I had spent over 2 hours in the store talking with a friend of mine who works there. I wrote down the plate number and went home. Next morning the van across the street had the same plate number as the one from the grocery store. I live in a kind of small town so I figured it could still be a coincidence; until I left for lunch that day and saw the van had the same plate number. Now I knew something was up. I called a friend of mine asking if he were playing a joke on me. His uncle owns a plumbing business and uses black vans with vinyl clings on them. I thought that maybe they hadn't branded the van yet and he were just screwing with me. He told me it was not him but asked me what the license plate was. He wanted to see if it was an old van they no longer used. When I told him the plate number he made a big deal about the plate only having numbers and no letters on it. He thought I were screwing with him until I showed him the pictures of van outside my house and work. Side note. I will not be sharing these pictures as they are very clearly identifiable with the landmarks in the background. He told me to call the police immediately. I talked to an officer over the phone and told him what was happening. He made a big deal about the license plate only having numbers on it and did not believe me. I just asked him if he could send a car by my place. He reluctantly agreed and thought I was bullshitting him. The next day the van was gone. Two days later there is a white SUV with dark tint on the windows. This SUV is also following me around and is being more aggressive. I started carrying my gun in my car just in case because of it but I have been advised against it. I think it is a police van and SUV that has been following me as they both have license plates that have no letters in it. Looking up online it looks like, in Texas, license plates that only have numbers belong to the police. I have been unable to confirm that as the police dept has been very terse with me. They told me that if I wanted to get them involved in this issue I should come down and talk about it at the station with them. Yeah I am definitely not gonna do that. My friend told me to contact a lawyer immediately as it is likely I am being investigated by some LEA that is not my local department as they did not know anything about the black van at first. I have family who are, well lets just say that we have a small herd of black sheep in our family. They live in NJ and are involved in a lot of illegal things. We will leave it at that. My familial connections with them has precluded me from getting a security clearance in the past to work for a major US military contractor and has created issues at airports. But I have never been investigated before. My local department has advised me not to make contact with the SUV following me and to not carry my firearm in my car. These two statements from them have me extremely paranoid and I am unsure of what I should do now?

delfiv9

del4778

Make sure to get a dash camera and also a IP camera for your house, esp if you want to carry the gun. This will protect you if it is the police. Also call the police back every time you see the van. Do so till they come out and get a police report. If you have security at work tell them about it as well. CYA Me, I would walk out to the van with my cell phone camera on and say hello. Not saying for you to do that but that's me. I hate drama so I put stuff like this to bed real fast.

There's nothing stopping you from just asking them. If they were going to arrest or hurt you in some way, they would have done that already. Personally, Id go to a 7-11 and buy a soda and some chips or something. Then, Id give it to the driver inside (as a sign of goodwill) and ask whats up.

8f4e05

legaladvice_train

(CA and MI) I think a consignment store is trying to rip me off, what are my options? Back in November I sent a few of my designer items to a consignment store that has a large online presence. I have worked with them before on smaller items and didn't have a problem. Also, within the community of people who buy and sell both new and used designer items they have a good reputation. One of the items I sent them was a designer coat and they initially said they would list it for $4,600. This was fine with me because it gave me a nice payout after they took their cut. The first thing that they didn't tell me was that they would be listing the coat on eBay. I was checking their website for a couple weeks before I finally e-mailed and asked when the coat would be there. They replied that there much have been a misunderstanding and that the coat was on their eBay page. There wasn't a misunderstanding, they just never told me, I checked the emails. However, at the end of the day it was fine because the coat was just listed at a buy out price and not a bid. I should also say that I didn't sign any kind of agreement, but their policy is that they get to keep the item for 90 days and then you can request it be returned to you at no charge or for a $25 fee if returned before. After a couple months of the coat not selling we discussed over e-mail lowering the prices of the items I had with them and they lowered the price of the coat to $4,050. Again, this price was still okay because I would still be getting back the money I wanted after their cut. However, I didn't want another price drop because then it would no longer be beneficial to sell for the price. I was well past the 90 days to have the coat returned, so I just watched the eBay listing. I was happy to see that it sold at the $4,050 price and that the eBay auction was over. Strangely, they didn't e-mail me and I had to reach out to them after a while. When things had sold in the past they were usually very prompt with reaching out. Yesterday I got a "sales summary" explaining my cut etc. and much to my horror they are listing that they sold it for $3,600! Now I have e-mailed them twice and have not gotten any response. I have asked why if eBay says it sold at $4,050 that they are claiming it sold for less. In any event, if I have to fight them on this what are my options? What are the laws governing consignments? If they continue to ignore me and just try to send me a check for the much lower amount can anything be done? Moreover, since I am in California and they are in Michigan which laws apply? Thanks!

dy0hyfq

dy0izxp

Did you sign a contract with them on this issue? What does it say about their ability to change the listing price of an item? Absent any other agreement, you can sue them in small claims for the the amount they owe you for the $4050 sales price.

Did the ebay listing take a 10% cut as their fee?

sa9ib3

legaladvice_train

I created a unique beadwork pattern and copyrighted it through Legal Zoom in 2011. I just found out someone ripped off my pattern in 2013 and it was published in a magazine. What are my options for protecting my copyright in order to sell my own pattern? I am located in Washington State, copycat is in Florida, magazine is US based. I created a beading pattern for a very unique style of creating a component of an object and actually sold said completed objects for many years on Etsy and at in-person art shows. I used a very specific combination of bead sizes and shapes, and it's this combo that makes the pattern unique and identifiable. I used Legal Zoom in 2011 to protect my idea and sent in both a written copy and physical object. Copyright was granted in 2011. I just found out someone literally counted each single, individual bead in my pattern and essentially rewrote the pattern and it somehow ended up in a national magazine in 2013. This magazine then had to create the bead-by-bead diagram in order to publish the pattern. The magazine seemed to have gone out of business in 2020. The only difference between the copy and my own pattern is 4 beads in the original round, essentially decreasing the entire pattern by 1 "row". Everything else is exactly the same. I would like to sell my own copyrighted pattern. Will I run into any troubles for selling the original .pdf that was printed/sent to Legal Zoom for copyright as my own original work, considering someone else ripped off the pattern and it's published in a now discontinued magazine? Is it possible to be compensated for the magazine publishing my stolen pattern? Thanks so much!

hts64xq

hts4yt0

Patterns are not generally eligible for copyright protection as they are considered a method of doing something. >Copyright does not protect ideas, concepts, systems, or methods of doing something. Source: https://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html Any original materials you created to express your idea, aside from the method to recreate it, would be eligible for copyright protection. Examples would include photographs of the item, prose describing it, or illustrations of it. You would be free to sell your own version of the pattern. You cannot use images from the magazine to sell your pattern without their permission. You can describe your pattern as being published in that magazine, however, as that would be a statement of fact, which is also not copyrightable.

The website you mention is up-selling something that people do directly. It's not knowable if you'd have any trouble, only time will tell. To sue, you'd need a lawyer who specializes in IP law to sue in federal court, and suing a defunct magazine isn't going to be fruitful.

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hckkv1w

hckcecb

> If they charge me Stop payment on any attempt they make to impose the unlawful claim. They can deal with your credit card provider, who will require more than just their baseless assertion that you returned the wrong item. Despite the Amazon sponsorship of the card they are still subject to US banking and credit regulations and they'll be dealing with a third party, they are not a bank.

Can you get tracking information/proof of shipment and delivery from UPS?

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hckysup

hcl6xr9

If you bounce the charge back,, you risk Amazon closing the account. The very first thing I would do would be to ask Amazon if you shipped back the wrong item, exactly what item did it receive? Surely Amazon can tell you what it received? This is a basic question, and it is probably one of the first questions a judge in small claims court would ask.

Just had a similar issue and I was able to resolve it. It was a total pain in the ass. I returned an iPhone and they claimed they received an empty box. Here’s what finally solved it, because I kept going through the exact same Groundhog Day loop that you did. I called UPS and opened an investigation with them using the return tracking number. UPS completed their investigation but wouldn’t tell me what their findings were and that I have to call Amazon to get that info. That was another frustrating loop. Eventually I got a UPS supervisor to confirm that they were waiting for paperwork from Amazon to send them payment for the iPhone, so I took that to mean UPS concluded it was their fault. With that supervisor on the phone, I three way called to Amazon, requested a US based supervisor, then had the UPS supervisor explain to Amazon what was going on. I then made sure that the Amazon supervisor included all that information in a note to the specialist team. I then replied to one of those specialist team emails, restating the conversation that just took place, confirming that UPS accepted liability. They confirmed the refund via email later that day. Overall, it was a colossal pain in the ass, especially since the tracking on it showed a scan weight that confirmed I didn’t send an empty box, but finally it’s resolved after a month of dealing with it. I also got nowhere with those executive emails. The final Amazon supervisor I spoke to, when I asked him what to do if I still don’t get my refund, he told me to dispute the charge with my CC.

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hcl6xr9

hckcecb

Just had a similar issue and I was able to resolve it. It was a total pain in the ass. I returned an iPhone and they claimed they received an empty box. Here’s what finally solved it, because I kept going through the exact same Groundhog Day loop that you did. I called UPS and opened an investigation with them using the return tracking number. UPS completed their investigation but wouldn’t tell me what their findings were and that I have to call Amazon to get that info. That was another frustrating loop. Eventually I got a UPS supervisor to confirm that they were waiting for paperwork from Amazon to send them payment for the iPhone, so I took that to mean UPS concluded it was their fault. With that supervisor on the phone, I three way called to Amazon, requested a US based supervisor, then had the UPS supervisor explain to Amazon what was going on. I then made sure that the Amazon supervisor included all that information in a note to the specialist team. I then replied to one of those specialist team emails, restating the conversation that just took place, confirming that UPS accepted liability. They confirmed the refund via email later that day. Overall, it was a colossal pain in the ass, especially since the tracking on it showed a scan weight that confirmed I didn’t send an empty box, but finally it’s resolved after a month of dealing with it. I also got nowhere with those executive emails. The final Amazon supervisor I spoke to, when I asked him what to do if I still don’t get my refund, he told me to dispute the charge with my CC.

Can you get tracking information/proof of shipment and delivery from UPS?

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hcl6xr9

hckoizz

Just had a similar issue and I was able to resolve it. It was a total pain in the ass. I returned an iPhone and they claimed they received an empty box. Here’s what finally solved it, because I kept going through the exact same Groundhog Day loop that you did. I called UPS and opened an investigation with them using the return tracking number. UPS completed their investigation but wouldn’t tell me what their findings were and that I have to call Amazon to get that info. That was another frustrating loop. Eventually I got a UPS supervisor to confirm that they were waiting for paperwork from Amazon to send them payment for the iPhone, so I took that to mean UPS concluded it was their fault. With that supervisor on the phone, I three way called to Amazon, requested a US based supervisor, then had the UPS supervisor explain to Amazon what was going on. I then made sure that the Amazon supervisor included all that information in a note to the specialist team. I then replied to one of those specialist team emails, restating the conversation that just took place, confirming that UPS accepted liability. They confirmed the refund via email later that day. Overall, it was a colossal pain in the ass, especially since the tracking on it showed a scan weight that confirmed I didn’t send an empty box, but finally it’s resolved after a month of dealing with it. I also got nowhere with those executive emails. The final Amazon supervisor I spoke to, when I asked him what to do if I still don’t get my refund, he told me to dispute the charge with my CC.

Are you sure that the emails are actually coming from Amazon?

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hckysup

hckcecb

If you bounce the charge back,, you risk Amazon closing the account. The very first thing I would do would be to ask Amazon if you shipped back the wrong item, exactly what item did it receive? Surely Amazon can tell you what it received? This is a basic question, and it is probably one of the first questions a judge in small claims court would ask.

Can you get tracking information/proof of shipment and delivery from UPS?

pmsmj4

legaladvice_train

[NJ] Amazon says I returned the wrong item and is threatening to charge me for it In June I brought a rather expensive drone for myself. It was just a little over $1000. When I received it, I noticed that it was missing one of the cables that was required to use the drone. I immediately requested a replacement on Amazon and returned the one with the missing cable. I returned it to a UPS store as advised on the Amazon return instructions. A few days later I received notice that the return was received and never heard anything of the issue again. Fast forward two and a half months later and I receive an e-mail from Amazon that states that I returned the incorrect item and that I'll be charged if I don't return the right item. I know for a fact that I returned the right item, so I e-mailed back simply stating that I returned the correct item and asked them to provide proof that I returned the incorrect item. I received another canned response back simply stating that I returned an incorrect item. I replied to the canned response with the same response, only this time I also cc'ed jeff@amazon.com which from my understanding forwards to some special inbox that gets more attention. I called amazon customer support to get more information. Support told me that they could not give me more information and that all they could tell me is that they received the wrong item. They did take a report though where I explained again that I returned the item and the customer service rep stated that a special team was handling the case and that I wouldn't receive any more emails on the subject and that I wouldn't be charged. I wished I had recorded that phone call. Later that day I receive another email from amazon, this time I think it's a reply to the email I cc'ed to jeff@amazon.com email, essentially stating the same thing that Amazon support had been stating. I asked them again to provide proof that I returned the wrong item and I asked that they return the incorrect item back to me if they cannot provide proof for whatever reason. I also pointed out that the Amazon website lists the return as completed and even lists that date (2 months ago) that the return was received by amazon on. Again they responded similarly to their previous e-mails, stating that I returned the wrong item and that they were going to charge me for it. They said they could not provide proof and could not send the incorrect item back to me. They also said that they could not send me proof because they discarded the incorrect item that they claimed I sent them. I called support back to get an explanation on the last e-mail I had just received and was again told the same thing as the first call, that a team would be back in contact with me within 24-48 hours via email and that I wouldn't be charged or should receive anymore e-mails requesting that I send the item back. Due to how inconsistent amazon has been up to this point, I started recording all of my calls. I also saved all of the emails I have up until now. I also took screen shots of the return order page that still shows the return as completed and received by amazon on June 24th. I'm really at a loss for what to do here. I don't have the return shipping receipt anymore since it was so long ago and I received confirmation that they received the item. When I returned the item, amazon allows you to return the item in it's regular product box without a cardboard shipping box to a UPS store. I suspect that between the UPS store and the Amazon warehouse that someone stole or replaced the drone. However since Amazon won't give me ANY information, I have no way to confirm that. It seems that every response I get back from Amazon on any of my requests for information is met with a "fuck you, pay me." from amazon. I assume they're going to charge my card for the $1000 soon. It's an Amazon Store credit card by Synchrony bank, so I have no clue how a credit dispute would work out in this case. If they charge me, would it even be worth brining a company like Amazon to small claims court? It feels like a VERY uphill battle in a case of he said, she said.

hckysup

hckoizz

If you bounce the charge back,, you risk Amazon closing the account. The very first thing I would do would be to ask Amazon if you shipped back the wrong item, exactly what item did it receive? Surely Amazon can tell you what it received? This is a basic question, and it is probably one of the first questions a judge in small claims court would ask.

Are you sure that the emails are actually coming from Amazon?

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddi58hk

ddi47ff

I can't help feeling that your vet was partially at fault for the extent of your bills. How did he/she not notice that there wasn't a scar from the spay? Why wouldn't an ultrasound be one of the first things he/she tried?

I am not a lawyer but since pets are property, and they said the property was spayed and it wasn't isn't that technically fraud?

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddi47ff

ddi7v95

I am not a lawyer but since pets are property, and they said the property was spayed and it wasn't isn't that technically fraud?

> They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. Well it sure as fuck shouldn't jesus christ, I would be absolutely livid if a shelter worker told me that. Does your paperwork give you the name of the vet who did the spay/signed off on it? That's who your beef is with. Contact them directly, they need to cover your bills, they carry insurance for this type of thing. After you get your bills covered please contact the board of directors of that shetler. They are breaking state laws adopting out unfixed animals, the fact they are so lackadaisical about it is horrendous, California euthanises way too many unwanted dogs to have city run shelters adding to the problem.

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddi61d2

ddi7v95

What's odd is that they couldn't tell she WASN'T spayed. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a dog WAS spayed, if the scar isn't visible and there's no tattoo (this happened to the dog I adopted from the shelter- they told me she hadn't been spayed and she had been. Didn't find out until they went in and found no uterus). I don't know if you're just curious about their legal obligation. I would be satisfied with them offering to spay her and split the vet bills, but that's just me.

> They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. Well it sure as fuck shouldn't jesus christ, I would be absolutely livid if a shelter worker told me that. Does your paperwork give you the name of the vet who did the spay/signed off on it? That's who your beef is with. Contact them directly, they need to cover your bills, they carry insurance for this type of thing. After you get your bills covered please contact the board of directors of that shetler. They are breaking state laws adopting out unfixed animals, the fact they are so lackadaisical about it is horrendous, California euthanises way too many unwanted dogs to have city run shelters adding to the problem.

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddi61d2

ddiagkc

What's odd is that they couldn't tell she WASN'T spayed. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a dog WAS spayed, if the scar isn't visible and there's no tattoo (this happened to the dog I adopted from the shelter- they told me she hadn't been spayed and she had been. Didn't find out until they went in and found no uterus). I don't know if you're just curious about their legal obligation. I would be satisfied with them offering to spay her and split the vet bills, but that's just me.

IMHO you should take the deal. You could sue the Humane Society for fees, but remember you could lose and if you win -- it's money that is being taken away from a non-profit. You may be able to get them to give you a credit on the other half for a checkup/shots. You could off that they agree to give you all, but half in cash and the other half is forgiven as a tax-deductible donation (so you get to claim it on your taxes). There are lots of ways to try and negotiate something more fair. It also sounds like you need a better vet. Your vet should have second guessed the paperwork and surgery from a shelter and considered that she wasn't properly spayed at first. Multiple visits to find out she wasn't spayed or wasn't properly spayed is just ridiculous.

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddie2bt

ddi61d2

Go up the ladder. If this shelter is not spaying animals as they are suppose to, I'm sure that Humane Society USA would like to know. http://www.humanesociety.org/about/contact/?credit=ad_gg_search_010117_footer

What's odd is that they couldn't tell she WASN'T spayed. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a dog WAS spayed, if the scar isn't visible and there's no tattoo (this happened to the dog I adopted from the shelter- they told me she hadn't been spayed and she had been. Didn't find out until they went in and found no uterus). I don't know if you're just curious about their legal obligation. I would be satisfied with them offering to spay her and split the vet bills, but that's just me.

5svc4c

legaladvice_train

[CA] I adopted a dog that was certified as spayed by the adoption agency. When she started exhibiting signs of heat, I spent over $600 in vet bills to determine what was wrong, only to discover that she was never spayed. Adoption agency says they have no obligation to refund these vet bills. I adopted a female dog several months ago from a Humane Society shelter. The adoption fee included spay/neuter surgery and I was given an official document signed by their vet certifying that my dog was sterilized. The Humane Society also states on their website that all adopted dogs are sterilized. A few months after the adoption, my dog started exhibiting signs of heat. I called the Humane Society to double-check if she had been sterilized, and they confirmed that she had been. I brought her to my vet to find out what was wrong. Over the course of several appointments, he examined her, gave her multiple tests, and put her on medication to try to figure out what was wrong. He couldn't figure it out, so he referred me to a specialist. The specialist did an ultrasound and was able to confirm that my dog had never been spayed. The total cost of all bills related to this issue was $677. I brought this to the attention of the Humane Society. They told me that sometimes this happens because their vets make mistakes about whether or not a dog has been sterilized. This was not mentioned in any of the documents I received during the adoption process. All of my documents from them guaranteed she was sterile. The Humane Society offered to spay her for free and to pay for half of my vet bills, but they said they are doing this as a kind gesture, and they are in no way obligated to pay for any of this. I cannot find any legal documentation on their site regarding whether or not they are responsible for false documents or incorrect medical information about a dog. From a legal standpoint, are they obligated to refund me for the money I had to pay because of their false information? Thanks for your help!

ddid5hj

ddi61d2

I JUST went through this my dog, except she got pyometra (infection of the uterus) which would have been fatal in her, as far as it had progressed. She was also adopted from a humane society and they are correct. They have 0 obligation to do anything to help you. In my case, my dog had a scar there, from a previous surgery (possible C section, item removal, no idea), but no tattoo. (She was spayed in Jan 2017, still no tattoo.). I even posted here about it when it happened and someone told me I was SOL, what did I expect them to do? I'm surprised you've gotten so many replies. But, at least the HS offered to spay. They wouldn't touch my dog because of the infection. We spent around $1500 so far. Animals slip through the cracks sometimes. This is part of owning a pet, their vet missed it, your vet missed it... At least you caught it before the possibility of it becoming something worse. (I had my dog for a year before she had a heat cycle and just 6 weeks after that, the infection was close to taking her life.) I think it's INCREDIBLY generous for them to offer to spay her (which they should) and pay for half the medical bills so far.

What's odd is that they couldn't tell she WASN'T spayed. Sometimes it can be difficult to tell if a dog WAS spayed, if the scar isn't visible and there's no tattoo (this happened to the dog I adopted from the shelter- they told me she hadn't been spayed and she had been. Didn't find out until they went in and found no uterus). I don't know if you're just curious about their legal obligation. I would be satisfied with them offering to spay her and split the vet bills, but that's just me.

yqu3cd

legaladvice_train

Can my employer charge every employee $5 every paycheck for “product loss”? I live in Missouri. I work at a restaurant that I love working in, but our owner does some weird things with payroll. First of all, he’s “scared” of doing direct deposit. On top of that, he knowingly uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities. I could live with paper checks, and I was able to hide my personal info. What really confuses me is charging EVERY employee $5 on EVERY paycheck for “product loss”. Servers, managers, cooks, bartenders, food runners, dishwashers, barbacks, and even security. Is he allowed to do this?

ivqmzmd

ivqmv9k

No. It's wage theft. However, it is very considerate of him to document it so nicely on everyone's paycheck. Your state Department of Labor would be a good starting point.

Unless he has your written approval to deduct from your pay, you should file a wage claim with your state's Dept of Labor.

yqu3cd

legaladvice_train

Can my employer charge every employee $5 every paycheck for “product loss”? I live in Missouri. I work at a restaurant that I love working in, but our owner does some weird things with payroll. First of all, he’s “scared” of doing direct deposit. On top of that, he knowingly uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities. I could live with paper checks, and I was able to hide my personal info. What really confuses me is charging EVERY employee $5 on EVERY paycheck for “product loss”. Servers, managers, cooks, bartenders, food runners, dishwashers, barbacks, and even security. Is he allowed to do this?

ivq6buw

ivqmzmd

Does it take you below minimum wage? Is this a set policy written and provided to everyone?

No. It's wage theft. However, it is very considerate of him to document it so nicely on everyone's paycheck. Your state Department of Labor would be a good starting point.

yqu3cd

legaladvice_train

Can my employer charge every employee $5 every paycheck for “product loss”? I live in Missouri. I work at a restaurant that I love working in, but our owner does some weird things with payroll. First of all, he’s “scared” of doing direct deposit. On top of that, he knowingly uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities. I could live with paper checks, and I was able to hide my personal info. What really confuses me is charging EVERY employee $5 on EVERY paycheck for “product loss”. Servers, managers, cooks, bartenders, food runners, dishwashers, barbacks, and even security. Is he allowed to do this?

ivqmv9k

ivq6buw

Unless he has your written approval to deduct from your pay, you should file a wage claim with your state's Dept of Labor.

Does it take you below minimum wage? Is this a set policy written and provided to everyone?

yqu3cd

legaladvice_train

Can my employer charge every employee $5 every paycheck for “product loss”? I live in Missouri. I work at a restaurant that I love working in, but our owner does some weird things with payroll. First of all, he’s “scared” of doing direct deposit. On top of that, he knowingly uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities. I could live with paper checks, and I was able to hide my personal info. What really confuses me is charging EVERY employee $5 on EVERY paycheck for “product loss”. Servers, managers, cooks, bartenders, food runners, dishwashers, barbacks, and even security. Is he allowed to do this?

ivqnfph

ivq6buw

Huh – this sounds, uh, highly irregular to me (and absolutely unethical), but from my reading, it seems it may in fact be legal: >An employer may deduct funds from an employee’s wages for cash register shortages, damage to equipment, or for similar reasons. Deductions can be made from an employee’s wages as long as the deductions do not take the employee’s wages below the required minimum hourly wage rate. From Missouri Department of Labor and Industrial Relations. >Missouri does not have any laws regarding what deductions may or may not be taken from an employees paycheck or whether an employee must provide written consent prior to any deduction. The lack of a law prohibiting deductions likely means an employer can withhold or deduct wages from an employees pay check for \see link for longer list\] From [Employment Law Handbook - Missouri Wage Payment Laws.

Does it take you below minimum wage? Is this a set policy written and provided to everyone?

yqu3cd

legaladvice_train

Can my employer charge every employee $5 every paycheck for “product loss”? I live in Missouri. I work at a restaurant that I love working in, but our owner does some weird things with payroll. First of all, he’s “scared” of doing direct deposit. On top of that, he knowingly uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities. I could live with paper checks, and I was able to hide my personal info. What really confuses me is charging EVERY employee $5 on EVERY paycheck for “product loss”. Servers, managers, cooks, bartenders, food runners, dishwashers, barbacks, and even security. Is he allowed to do this?

ivq6buw

ivs7ko4

Does it take you below minimum wage? Is this a set policy written and provided to everyone?

It sounds fishy, I would talk to the State Labor board, they would know fairly quickly if it's illegal or not. What would make me wonder is that he uses a payroll system with vulnerabilities, if he knows about those vulnerabilities is he using them to his advantage, illegally, or is your information and pay is secure. There are a lot of small restaurants who don't use direct deposit, it might not be worth the fees on their end so that doesn't strike me as weird but the rest does.

l5l2cp

legaladvice_train

I let women from a shelter temporarily stay in my basement or attic (apartments) but my neighbor reported me for illegally renting I have been letting women (and their children if they have any) from a nearby women's shelter temporarily stay in my attic or basement. The shelter partnered with me to do this and I had to undergo a background check before anyone stayed in my house. I'm NOT a landlord who is renting. I don't charge the women for anything, and often I share my own food, clothing etc if what comes from the shelter isn't enough. My place is just a temporary stop. It isn't a permanent living situation, it is only meant to be a temporary safe space. I've never had anyone longer than 45 days and those were rare cases, 99% of them stay less than 30 days. Even though I'm not a landlord who is illegally renting my neighbor has reported me for exactly this. I'm being charged for illegally renting my basement and attic and not having all the things an apartment is supposed to have (both basement and attic are one room, basement has a kitchenette but the attic does not) not having bathrooms or running water in the apartments (there is one on my main floor and one upstairs they can use) and for having too many occupants at one time (I only have one family per apartment but sometimes the women have children with them). I'm also charged by the fire authorities for a long landry list of fire code violations (not enough exits, fire rated doors etc) and I have found out I'm even being investigated for my taxes too now even though I made no money or any kind of tax deductions from this. I understand that if I was a landlord renting to people why these things would a problem. I know it would be illegal to rent this way. I'm just trying to help the women and the shelter. Now even the shelter is being looked at for allowing me to rent in the first place. This is all just a big misunderstanding but no one from any of the three investigations wants to listen it seems. My neighbor doesn't realize how much hurt he has caused here and all this will ultimately hurt the women from the shelter. I tried to explain it to him before but he still complained. I didn't do anything wrong but I'm being punished anyways. What should I be doing to explain so all this can go away? I have never been arrested before this or had so much as a ticket before. I didn't even gain from this, if anything I am down money because I helped. My location is the state of Massachusetts.

gkv9hwv

gkutt2x

> I'm NOT a landlord who is renting. According to the city, yes you are. Your options at this point are to either agree to the charges and try to mitigate your losses or fight the charges. You should have a lawyer help you, regardless of which approach you take.

Talk to the shelter you're working with. They likely have a lawyer they work with who may be able to assist.

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2r6kb3

e2r5ygj

File a report with Amazon. You can do a charge back with your credit card. Note that Amazon may choose to freeze your account with them, which is their right. > My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. Nope, that isn't how chargebacks work. Visa will freeze the charge while they investigate. They will either remove the charge (meaning you don't pay anything and Amazon doesn't get paid) or will keep it if they discover you're lying. > I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. That is a waste of time. Your options with Visa is a charge back. They aren't going to pay for it out of the goodness of their hearts. Edit: It may be considered theft so worth a shot.

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2r7vjy

e2r5ygj

Not a lawyer, but what service did they use to deliver the package? If I recall correctly when they ship with their own service (usually listed as AMZL US) they usually take a photo of the package and where they left it when it was delivered. I could be wrong about that, but I know they do it with mine and I’m not sure if I had to tick a box at some point to make that happen. If they did take a photo, it’s worth a look to see exactly where they left it. It may have just been plunked down in a random spot and left there all willy nilly. They can get creative or lazy with that mess at my house; I’ve had to crawl under my front porch to retrieve packages, found one hidden in a bush after looking for it for ages, had a few run over because they left it on the ground next to my post box and the wind blew it far enough into the street to be hit. They’re pretty shit at delivering. Personally speaking only, literally every package that they marked delivered that wasn’t actually received were all delivered by AMZL US. I have had to contact Amazon 12 separate times because the packages weren’t received at all. Like the others, file a police report and turn it into Amazon. Ask them for the exact date and time of the delivery (the big name carriers all track that) and turn that over to the police as well.

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2rfg4o

e2r5ygj

I would call and talk to someone else at amazon, sometimes talking to a different customer service person works better. I have an interesting thing that has just happened; have this ring doorbell, it recorded the amazon delivery driver bringing my packages to the door, signing for my packages and leaving with my packages, ultimately the police found the boxes in the dumpster. I had to report it to the police before amazon would refund me my money, I know this is a different situation but amazon needed the police report to go after the driver but because they aren’t the victim at the moment there is not much they can do. Once you give them the police report they then become the victim and can decide to press charges. Once I gave them the police report number they gave me a refund

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2rn4dy

e2s0zme

I would call Amazon again and ask for a manager, lower level employees can't refund anything that's $700. And if they asked you to wait for the next day that's just standard cuz most missing items do turn up by the next day if it's missing/late, just their way of making sure they dont lose money by prematurely refunding you. Just ask for a manager and they should be able to help you. Especially if you order a ton and haven't had a problem before.

If all else fails, try sending a succinct email to Jeff@Amazon.com. This is the equivalent of contacting executive customer service. You should note in the email that you are a frequent long term customer (if you are). If you are a newer customer or have lots of questionable returns they may not be so inclined to help. EDIT - not sure why this got downvoted. Oh well. It is good advice regardless. Good luck OP!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2ryjgw

e2s0zme

Escalate this and speak with someone else. I had something very similar happen about six months ago - I'm also a long-time customer who'd never had any previous delivery issues. I ordered a roomba and Amazon listed it as delivered, but I never received it. I went through the steps they suggested (checked with neighbors, waited a couple of days). I was so worried that I was out of luck because they listed the package as 'delivered', but they refunded the entire purchase price. I'm only telling you this because it seems bizarre that they'd treat us so differently - there's no reason for their response to be so inconsistent. I'm sorry you are dealing with this, and hope you get your refund and can get another roomba. They're great little machines.

If all else fails, try sending a succinct email to Jeff@Amazon.com. This is the equivalent of contacting executive customer service. You should note in the email that you are a frequent long term customer (if you are). If you are a newer customer or have lots of questionable returns they may not be so inclined to help. EDIT - not sure why this got downvoted. Oh well. It is good advice regardless. Good luck OP!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2r5ygj

e2s0zme

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

If all else fails, try sending a succinct email to Jeff@Amazon.com. This is the equivalent of contacting executive customer service. You should note in the email that you are a frequent long term customer (if you are). If you are a newer customer or have lots of questionable returns they may not be so inclined to help. EDIT - not sure why this got downvoted. Oh well. It is good advice regardless. Good luck OP!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2rn4dy

e2r5ygj

I would call Amazon again and ask for a manager, lower level employees can't refund anything that's $700. And if they asked you to wait for the next day that's just standard cuz most missing items do turn up by the next day if it's missing/late, just their way of making sure they dont lose money by prematurely refunding you. Just ask for a manager and they should be able to help you. Especially if you order a ton and haven't had a problem before.

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

90knoc

legaladvice_train

Someone stole my $700 amazon package (sold & shipped by amazon) and amazon wont refund me (I'm in LA, California if that matters): I bought an irobot roomba, total was $689. Sold by amazon, shipped by amazon (AMZL). At the same time I also ordered cereal and oatmeal, everything got "Delivered" monday. My building has an amazon hub inside it, and the cereal and oatmeal were marked as "delivered" in amazon and I retrieved them from the amazon hub. The roomba was marked as "left in mailroom" and was not left in the amazon hub (which is inside the mailroom). For reference, I have ordered 38 packages to this building from amazon and never one time have they ever just thrown it in the mailroom and left, they always put it in the hub/lockers or leave it with the front desk. The front desk told me they tell delivery people to do this as well. I told amazon on Tuesday that I got the oatmeal and cereal but not the roomba. They told me to wait until wednesday and assured me "the carrier just made a tracking error and it will show up tomorrow". I wait and nothing. Then they opened an investigation and told me no matter what I'd have a refund for the $700 by friday. I was told friday that nope, no refund because it's marked as delivered and there's nothing I can do. They suggested I go to the police for help... I think this is BS because my apartment complex has like 500+ units and the delivery driver just LEFT the package in the mailroom unattended as opposed to putting my package in a locker or leaving it at the front desk. In the past every package is either put into the hub/locker or left with the front desk. Leaving a $700 item out unattended in the mail room seems completely unacceptable to me. Amazon even admits that they left my package unattended in the mailroom, but insists that there's nothing they can do to help me because it's marked as "delivered". I have been a prime member for years, and I have ordered hundreds and hundreds of items from amazon, many expensive, and I've never had an issue before, and I'm shocked that they're so unwilling to help me. I checked with the front desk and they thoroughly looked everywhere for the package, and I asked if there's video cameras in the mail room and there is not. Then I did go to the police and filed a theft report and mailed it to amazon, but as they've been unwilling to help me so far I don't think they will do anything for me now either. I would like to take further action here to get my money back. My friend suggested I call my bank and ask for a chargeback, but I'm worried that will hurt my credit. I'm also going to call visa and ask if they can somehow cover it. Beyond that I feel like I just lost $700 and can't get it back.

e2ryjgw

e2r5ygj

Escalate this and speak with someone else. I had something very similar happen about six months ago - I'm also a long-time customer who'd never had any previous delivery issues. I ordered a roomba and Amazon listed it as delivered, but I never received it. I went through the steps they suggested (checked with neighbors, waited a couple of days). I was so worried that I was out of luck because they listed the package as 'delivered', but they refunded the entire purchase price. I'm only telling you this because it seems bizarre that they'd treat us so differently - there's no reason for their response to be so inconsistent. I'm sorry you are dealing with this, and hope you get your refund and can get another roomba. They're great little machines.

I'm surprised to find that your place doesn't have cameras there. Definitely file a report and show Amazon. Then talk with bank/credit union or card issuer about chargeback. Petty theft is petty. Good luck!

ujxm95

legaladvice_train

New apartment tried to give me a not agreed upon floor plan and now won't refund me after their screw up. I feel like got completely screwed with this apartment. I was supposed to receive the key to my new place on Friday and had requested to do a walkthrough of my specific unit which they scheduled for Thursday. Come to find out at the walkthrough, they assigned me the wrong and much smaller floor plan which would not work for me or my belongings. It was confirmed after the leasing lady looked through my file they had indeed assigned me the wrong floor plan but yet the rent listed matched the "correct" floor plan (shady much?!). Moving forward they did not have any availabilities for the floor plan I needed and my only other options were to wait 3 more week for something that "should become available" or get an even bigger floor plan and pay 200 more in rent. I asked them if they could do anything to accommodate that considering the circumstances and was given a straight "no, there was nothing they could do with the price." There were two ladies in the office speaking with me and they both were extremely cold, showed no concern, or accountability for their inability to hold up their end of things. Instead, they had a "take it or leave it attitude" and wanted to force me into something I never intended on or agreed to. So, after dealing with a back & forth for two and a half hours. I asked for my admin/app fee ($325) and deposit ($250) back so that I could figure out another living arrangement. They refused, saying it was non refundable. In any other circumstance I get it, but my question is... considering their negligence, am I right in requesting a full refund of those fees. One of the ladies argued that they were giving me solutions (shared above) but I would not pick any. Again, why should I be forced into any solution that doesn't fit my needs, simply because the office couldn't do their job correctly?

i7lppqe

i7mh79j

Did you sign a lease?

I would escalate with management and then take them to small claims court.

fqvwxa

legaladvice_train

My sister (38f) took her bearded dragon (1yr) to a reptile boarding in Southern CA and was returned nearly fried, and near death. What can we do? From March 9 - 24 2020, my sister boarded her bearded dragon at a reptile shop in Southern California which We found on google and had good reviews. When my sister dropped it off on the 9th she gave careful instructions on the dragons diet and bathing schedule. She saw that the cage was much smaller than she anticipated but didn’t want to worry being that it is a “specialty” shop with high reviews. During her visit in Australia, we called the reptile place to request a status update and a photo. However, we never got the photos. But we didn’t let this worry us as CVOID-19 was changing a lot of things and shops were closing down. When my sister returned back to Los Angeles, she was asked to pick up her dragon the following day March 25. On the 25th when she picked up her dragon she saw that it had its eyes closed but didn’t think much of it until she got home. Her dragon was showing extreme lethargy and closed eyes. I had my sister watch it overnight to see if there were any improvements. The following day, she took the dragon to the vet which they had to provide care overnight. During this period I called the boarding and I told them that the dragon under their care had to be held overnight in the hospital. When I called I said “I need to know the care you provided because my sisters dragon is being hospitalized”. I tried recording the conversation but my app didn’t work. During this conversation the man yelled at me and said that “the vets don’t know shit”, “they want money”, “they don’t know how I care for my animals”, “I fed, bathe and we sent photos” “I gave him mill worms”. I knew then that my sister told them specifically not to feed it mill worms because it didn’t sit well with the dragon and then I proceeded to say “I’m not calling to argue, I need to know how you cared for it so I can tell the vet, can I also get the photos you said you sent to my sister to see the time stamp” he then said he couldn’t get a hold of them and said I’ll need to call back. The vet report came back and said “gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” The vet also said that it had a bacterial infection which is caused by dirty conditions. The final bill was $1295! The vet recommended for us to report it to the BBB. We want to take action but not sure what to do or how to do it. Do we have something here? I don’t think a google review is sufficient. TL:DR - sister’s dragon nearly died. Has a long recovery. Vet confirmed it’s from poor boarding conditions.

flt2ul2

fltgzt5

Review with pictures of the returned conditions, store is probably going to tell you to eat shit so prepare for having to go the legal route. Make your own logs and documentation, write out what you remember of the phone conversation.

“gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” translates to "Your dragon was mated." If it's a female dragon, which "gravid" leads me to believe it is, it's pregnant. So your vet bills aren't over yet.

fqvwxa

legaladvice_train

My sister (38f) took her bearded dragon (1yr) to a reptile boarding in Southern CA and was returned nearly fried, and near death. What can we do? From March 9 - 24 2020, my sister boarded her bearded dragon at a reptile shop in Southern California which We found on google and had good reviews. When my sister dropped it off on the 9th she gave careful instructions on the dragons diet and bathing schedule. She saw that the cage was much smaller than she anticipated but didn’t want to worry being that it is a “specialty” shop with high reviews. During her visit in Australia, we called the reptile place to request a status update and a photo. However, we never got the photos. But we didn’t let this worry us as CVOID-19 was changing a lot of things and shops were closing down. When my sister returned back to Los Angeles, she was asked to pick up her dragon the following day March 25. On the 25th when she picked up her dragon she saw that it had its eyes closed but didn’t think much of it until she got home. Her dragon was showing extreme lethargy and closed eyes. I had my sister watch it overnight to see if there were any improvements. The following day, she took the dragon to the vet which they had to provide care overnight. During this period I called the boarding and I told them that the dragon under their care had to be held overnight in the hospital. When I called I said “I need to know the care you provided because my sisters dragon is being hospitalized”. I tried recording the conversation but my app didn’t work. During this conversation the man yelled at me and said that “the vets don’t know shit”, “they want money”, “they don’t know how I care for my animals”, “I fed, bathe and we sent photos” “I gave him mill worms”. I knew then that my sister told them specifically not to feed it mill worms because it didn’t sit well with the dragon and then I proceeded to say “I’m not calling to argue, I need to know how you cared for it so I can tell the vet, can I also get the photos you said you sent to my sister to see the time stamp” he then said he couldn’t get a hold of them and said I’ll need to call back. The vet report came back and said “gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” The vet also said that it had a bacterial infection which is caused by dirty conditions. The final bill was $1295! The vet recommended for us to report it to the BBB. We want to take action but not sure what to do or how to do it. Do we have something here? I don’t think a google review is sufficient. TL:DR - sister’s dragon nearly died. Has a long recovery. Vet confirmed it’s from poor boarding conditions.

flted8y

fltgzt5

> I tried recording the conversation but my app didn’t work. I have nothing to add about this situation at large, but be careful with recording conversations in CA. You must make them aware you are doing so before recording anything.

“gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” translates to "Your dragon was mated." If it's a female dragon, which "gravid" leads me to believe it is, it's pregnant. So your vet bills aren't over yet.

fqvwxa

legaladvice_train

My sister (38f) took her bearded dragon (1yr) to a reptile boarding in Southern CA and was returned nearly fried, and near death. What can we do? From March 9 - 24 2020, my sister boarded her bearded dragon at a reptile shop in Southern California which We found on google and had good reviews. When my sister dropped it off on the 9th she gave careful instructions on the dragons diet and bathing schedule. She saw that the cage was much smaller than she anticipated but didn’t want to worry being that it is a “specialty” shop with high reviews. During her visit in Australia, we called the reptile place to request a status update and a photo. However, we never got the photos. But we didn’t let this worry us as CVOID-19 was changing a lot of things and shops were closing down. When my sister returned back to Los Angeles, she was asked to pick up her dragon the following day March 25. On the 25th when she picked up her dragon she saw that it had its eyes closed but didn’t think much of it until she got home. Her dragon was showing extreme lethargy and closed eyes. I had my sister watch it overnight to see if there were any improvements. The following day, she took the dragon to the vet which they had to provide care overnight. During this period I called the boarding and I told them that the dragon under their care had to be held overnight in the hospital. When I called I said “I need to know the care you provided because my sisters dragon is being hospitalized”. I tried recording the conversation but my app didn’t work. During this conversation the man yelled at me and said that “the vets don’t know shit”, “they want money”, “they don’t know how I care for my animals”, “I fed, bathe and we sent photos” “I gave him mill worms”. I knew then that my sister told them specifically not to feed it mill worms because it didn’t sit well with the dragon and then I proceeded to say “I’m not calling to argue, I need to know how you cared for it so I can tell the vet, can I also get the photos you said you sent to my sister to see the time stamp” he then said he couldn’t get a hold of them and said I’ll need to call back. The vet report came back and said “gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” The vet also said that it had a bacterial infection which is caused by dirty conditions. The final bill was $1295! The vet recommended for us to report it to the BBB. We want to take action but not sure what to do or how to do it. Do we have something here? I don’t think a google review is sufficient. TL:DR - sister’s dragon nearly died. Has a long recovery. Vet confirmed it’s from poor boarding conditions.

fltgzt5

flt0y05

“gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” translates to "Your dragon was mated." If it's a female dragon, which "gravid" leads me to believe it is, it's pregnant. So your vet bills aren't over yet.

Obviously leave as many reviews online as you can. You can likely take this company to court for neglect. Serving the owner or collecting payment is another story. I’m sorry that happened to your pet. I hope the poor little guy recovers.

fqvwxa

legaladvice_train

My sister (38f) took her bearded dragon (1yr) to a reptile boarding in Southern CA and was returned nearly fried, and near death. What can we do? From March 9 - 24 2020, my sister boarded her bearded dragon at a reptile shop in Southern California which We found on google and had good reviews. When my sister dropped it off on the 9th she gave careful instructions on the dragons diet and bathing schedule. She saw that the cage was much smaller than she anticipated but didn’t want to worry being that it is a “specialty” shop with high reviews. During her visit in Australia, we called the reptile place to request a status update and a photo. However, we never got the photos. But we didn’t let this worry us as CVOID-19 was changing a lot of things and shops were closing down. When my sister returned back to Los Angeles, she was asked to pick up her dragon the following day March 25. On the 25th when she picked up her dragon she saw that it had its eyes closed but didn’t think much of it until she got home. Her dragon was showing extreme lethargy and closed eyes. I had my sister watch it overnight to see if there were any improvements. The following day, she took the dragon to the vet which they had to provide care overnight. During this period I called the boarding and I told them that the dragon under their care had to be held overnight in the hospital. When I called I said “I need to know the care you provided because my sisters dragon is being hospitalized”. I tried recording the conversation but my app didn’t work. During this conversation the man yelled at me and said that “the vets don’t know shit”, “they want money”, “they don’t know how I care for my animals”, “I fed, bathe and we sent photos” “I gave him mill worms”. I knew then that my sister told them specifically not to feed it mill worms because it didn’t sit well with the dragon and then I proceeded to say “I’m not calling to argue, I need to know how you cared for it so I can tell the vet, can I also get the photos you said you sent to my sister to see the time stamp” he then said he couldn’t get a hold of them and said I’ll need to call back. The vet report came back and said “gravid lethargy (suspect secondary to inappropriate husbandry while boarding).” The vet also said that it had a bacterial infection which is caused by dirty conditions. The final bill was $1295! The vet recommended for us to report it to the BBB. We want to take action but not sure what to do or how to do it. Do we have something here? I don’t think a google review is sufficient. TL:DR - sister’s dragon nearly died. Has a long recovery. Vet confirmed it’s from poor boarding conditions.

flt0y05

flt2ul2

Obviously leave as many reviews online as you can. You can likely take this company to court for neglect. Serving the owner or collecting payment is another story. I’m sorry that happened to your pet. I hope the poor little guy recovers.

Review with pictures of the returned conditions, store is probably going to tell you to eat shit so prepare for having to go the legal route. Make your own logs and documentation, write out what you remember of the phone conversation.