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Thoughts about whether this is considered a fault?
Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by InvincibleAjay, Dec 23, 2017.
I was recently playing a league match. The following occurred. I was about 99 percent sure it was a fault but to keep the peace we let them have the point, we beat them easily anyhow so I wasn't too bothered overall This occurred during a mens double match.
A rally was taking place, however one shot from the opponent hit their frame and went straight up and then dropped just over to our side of the net. My partner was slightly slow to react to net kill it so he decided to do a tight harpin net shot. However the shuttle was going to fall on our side of the net after he hit it. The opponents came running in to try and hit the shuttle (as they didn't know it wasn't going over yet). Before the shuttle landed, their hit the net with their racket.
I explained to them it was a fault and our point as the shuttle is deemed live until it hits the fall, albeit on our side. They hit the net before the shuttle hit the floor. His reply was it doesn't matter as the shuttle didn't go over.
§13.3.9 It shall be a fault, if in play, the shuttle touches a player's racket and does not travel toward the opponent's court.
§13.3.2 It shall be a fault, if in play, the shuttle fails to pass over the net.
Again, per §15.3, after any fault has been commited, the shuttle is not in play. When the shuttle is not in play, the only possible faults until the next serve are red cards.
Sorry Phihag, I find it hard following you. Let me try and elaborate further.
My partner hit the shuttle, the shot he played was tight harpin shot, hoping it would spin tightly over the net, it went upwards, at this moment the opponent tried to net kill it but hit the net with his racket. He missed the shuttle. The shuttle just went up and landed back on our side of the net. It did not hit the net. So which fault occurred first?
If your opponent hit the net before the shuttle landed, then they have committed the first fault and it should be your point.
Sorry Phihag, I find it hard following you.
I apologize. Can you point out where you got lost in my post so I can improve it? I tried to list the badminton laws for all possible faults in this or similar situations.
Then it's just as I assumed: neither §13.3.9 nor §15.1 applies. The only remaining faults from my post are §13.3.2 (shuttle touches the ground) and §13.4.1 (opponents touch the net). Since, by your description, the opponent touched the net before the shuttle hit the ground, your initial assessment and that of @baronspill are correct: it's your opponent's fault, the point is yours.
Thank you all for the clarification. Phihag I understand better, you stated all rules that could have applied, thanks for taking the time to do so. When I next see the person, I will kindly enlighten him with exactly which rule pertains to the situation so he is made aware incase it occurs in the future. I knew my instinct was correct, just needed to confirm it with others.
In my opinion, it is definitely a foul. When someone hits the net, with their racket, the opponent definitely should get the point.
How about in this situation?
However, the umpire either didn't see the racket touch the net (maybe she thought the shuttle was in between racket and net) or thought the shuttle touched the ground before the racket touched the net. This is justified; per RTTO §4.4, umpires should not call fault if they are unsure.
Calling the referee in this situation is pointless; per §17.5 and §17.6.8 the referee can only overturn the umpire in questions of law, not when it comes to any (fault/let/play on/in/out) decisions.
Wow a good spot juneau-AK, and well done for Axelsen to then concede the next point for fairness.
Just wanted some more clarification on rule 13.2.2, because I would've thought that was what the opponent could've used in his defence. When can we apply this rule? If the shuttle has dropped below the net on his way towards the shuttle or does it have to physically pass under the net?
In the situation when a defender attempts a lift for a drop shot that falls on the other side of the net, but the defender doesn't realise this, but hits the net anyway. Is this a case of who or what hits the net first? The shuttle or the player? I've always applied 13.2.2 here and given the point to the defender.
Note: When I say applied, I mean as a player trying to follow the rules.
No, that's not correct. And if you doubted it at the time, per ITTO §6.7 you shouldn't have called a fault.
§13.3.2 applies if the shuttle passes the net, but not over, but to the side or under the net. You could also argue that a shuttle touching the floor on the striker's side is a fault per §13.3.1 or §13.3.2.
As a general meta-rule, technical officials never call until a discrete event happens (that's why we wait to call Out until the shuttle touches the floor, even if it's in the middle of the neighboring court). In this case, if §13.3.2 were to apply before the shuttle crosses the net or touches the ground (let me be clear: that's not the case), there wouldn't be any clarity on when to call the fault: After the shuttle has been struck? After it is stabilized? When it goes below 1.524m?
Bear in mind that a sudden gust of wind could still push the shuttle over the net.
So until the shuttle either or touches the net and starts to fall (§15.1.), or passes under / at the side of the net, or touches the ground, or another fault happens (like any player on court hitting the net), it's still in play. The defender must learn not to hit the net.
Simeon, Rimano and visor like this.
In that Axelsen video, I'm not sure how an umpire is suppose to determine what touches first, the racket to the net or the birdie to the ground. It happened in an instant. Therefore, any decision the umpire makes must be an assumption. In my recreational match, it's always assumed fault when a player hit the net on his net kill.
It's because in recreation matches, we don't kill the shuttle with the sharpness these pros do. So the racket probably hits the net before the shuttle hits the floor most of the time, lol.
Not so fast mister, hold your conclusion-summary on fairness. Count the scoreline after Axelsen does not contest the service return.
Axelsen does not contest return, so now it is 9 : 14.

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