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Timestamp: 2019-04-25 09:42:10+00:00

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This question may be wrong. I think the right question is in the following link: How do Filipino Catholics get a church annulment when their state marriage is valid, considering the Philippines doesn't have divorce?
Suppose this hypothetical something would be definitely be accepted as grounds for annulment in both church annulment and state annulment.
Suppose further that the member can definitely prove that hypothetical something beyond reasonable doubt in, again, both church and said state.
Can said member get a church annulment regardless of state annulment or divorce existence, proceedings or results? Please cite sources.
I don't see why the church would care if I'm state married, state annulled or state divorced if I could prove invalidity of my church marriage.
Why is it not that a state divorce is actually an argument AGAINST a church annulment petition rather than a necessary condition for such petition?
Why is it harder for Filipino Catholics to get a church annulment?
Metropolitan Tribunal of Omaha says 'A copy of the divorce decree', but the article seems to be directed to Catholics who are civilly divorced and not civilly annulled and still church married.
To clarify: I get that state annulment (all the more for state divorce) is not a sufficient condition. My question is whether or not a state annulment (or divorce) is a necessary condition.
One thing that comes to mind is ecclesiastical judicial economy. Without a state annulment, perhaps the church can simply claim being too busy to even entertain your claim. I completely understand if the queues are long, but I mean, as long as the queues as exist. Anyway, if such is the case, please cite a source.
Consider people who get married only in church but not in state, say, Antarctica or Mars. If the church in fact REQUIRES a state to marry people, please cite source.
Then again, it could be that I don't have a state annulment, not because my state marriage is valid, but because state divorce is cheaper.
Consider that I can't afford either a state annulment or state divorce.
Consider variations in state annulment laws. Then it would be possible that, say, for a Japanese Catholic and a Swedish Catholic with identical cases that the Japanese Catholic wouldn't be entertained because Japan doesn't recognise a certain thing as grounds for annulment while both Sweden and the Catholic church do, I think. Oh wait, the Japanese Catholic could always get a state divorce.
Consider places where there are no such possibilities of divorce such as the Philippines where annulments cost around USD$2,853. So, German Catholics in identical situations as Filipino Catholics would get entertained by the church because Germany has divorce, it seems. Also, the Philippines is a third world country. Good luck obtaining that can kind of money for the sake of a religious procedure. I didn't realise the church was charging that kind of money for its sacraments (I guess annulment is part of the sacrament of marriage).
No, church annulment does not require state annulment or state divorce.
This misunderstanding could be caused by chruch tribunals that require a copy of divorce decree (as stated in the question). The tribunal does so because the couple is obligated to give a document about its civil status by Art. 116 § 2 Dignitatis Conubii (DC) and most often this is a divorce decree.
Art. 116 § 2 There should be attached to the libellus [application] an authentic copy of the marriage certificate and, if need be, a document of the civil status of the parties.
The legislator does not assume a civil clarification of the couple's status, as can be seen by the phrase "if need be" and by the phrase "even civil [obligations]" in Art. 252 DC.
Art. 252 In the sentence the parties are to be warned about the moral obligations or even civil ones by which they may be bound in regard to the other party or offspring concerning support and education to be provided (can. 1689).
So we see, your marriage can be nullified even if you are married in civil law. Though if the intent of nullification is to marry again, it would not make any sense to stay married in civil law. Additionally the church has an interest, that all canonical valid marriages are recogniced by state, because full sense of marriage includes responsibilities in civil law.
In order to request an annulment in the Catholic Church, one must be divorced1 from one's spouse.
Note that a divorce is a civil procedure; there is no entry for the term divorce in the Code of Canon Law in English.
A state annulment has nothing to do with a Catholic annulment. The heart is from the USCCB. You can see from Church thinking that a sacramental union was not present in a marriage (what everyone calls 'declared null').
1 Under the USCCB guidance "dissolved" is synonymous with divorce; in other jurisdictions, a divorce may not be the only method of dissolution. Check with the council of bishops there for details.
No, the Church doesn't need the law to recognize that you were not married by it, it simply has to look into the circumstances before the marriage. The Church doesn't need to put blinkers on until the state has spoken, as if it was subservient to the state or hasn't access to the couple or its own records. What is written in the books about your marriage is only relevant insofar as it portrays the truth, not otherwise (morally speaking).
What the state says about your married state is either lies or it is true. If there is a course of action you can take to make the state acknowledge you are not in fact married at this point in time (more specifically, you never were in the first place), then take it, but it's not necessary in order or the Church to say 'I didn't marry you/you did not marry yourselves.' That's an observation more than it is an action of any sort: and you are morally bound to conform to the truth of whether you were married according to the Church, than you are to any civil authority, all of which are below the Church.
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