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Is anyone aware of a zulu war veterans, ending up at the end of a rope back in England for crimes committed it civilian life.
Cant say I have heard of any troops swinging on the Gallows in the U.K or anywhere for that matter.
Nothing in my records at all littlehand. I had a relative sentenced to death in 1727 for stealing a sheep in Durham. ” Black sheep of the family” I suppose.
There used to be an old saying in England.
You might as well be hung for sheep, than a lamb.
I don’t know about hung, but I have read a couple of them were imprisoned, John Manley (Glos), and William Neville (Lancs).
Bookworm. Do you know what their crimes were.
William Neville was tried and convicted of assault.
I know of one other, a JOSEPH FISHER (33) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences 30s., the moneys of Our Lady the Queen and found GUILTY (He had served twelve years in the Army, and had a medal).— One Month’s Imprisonment.
Hi Bookworm, I hope I got the other two correctly.
After doing some digging, I have found another one, but I do not know which regiment he was with during the Zulu War, but the report states he took part in the Zulu War.
JAMES SLATER (32) , Feloniously wounding Jane Slater, with intent to murder. Second Count, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm. Found Guilty of unlawfully wounding.— Six Weeks, Hard Labour.
What was the name of the chap, we recently discussed who was hung for murder in the Blue Ridge Mountains. Did we ever establish whether or not he was in the Zulu War.
to arrive by surface mail. Then I have to find time to read it. ?
Of course, Butler was probably not his real name – in fact, no-one is sure what his real name was, at least 12 others have been attributed to this gentleman!
I just looked at his trial after seeing your post and you are correct, nice work.
GEORGE HAMPDEN WHALLEY (33) and THOMAS HERBERT (19) , Stealing, on the 19th of June, divers goods, value 200l., of Mary Gamble, in her dwelling-house. Both men were Found GUILTY .
WHALLEY— Nine Months’ Hard Labour and HERBERT— Three Months’ Hard Labour. ?
He arrived in Australia on a ship, the Duke of Buccleuch, in about 1885 or 1886, having changed his surname by deed poll to White. According to shipping records at the State Archives in Brisbane, he arrived with a wife, Eleanor and an infant.
Well Littlehand you gave me a run for me money with this one.
Michael Dowdle was a forty year old pensioned Irish soldier who worked as a quarryman and was convicted at Manchester Assizes for the murder of his wife at Whitworth, near Rochdale. Ellen Dowdle had left her husband in the summer of 1899 due to his increasingly quarrelsome and brutal behaviour. On 12th August, she went to stay with friends who lived less than a quarter of a mile away. On l9th August, Dowdle called at the house and found his wife alone. He made a passionate plea for her to return home and promised to mend his ways. She refused and after repeated attempts also failed, his temper got the better of him and he attacked her. At that moment, one of their friends’ children came home and witnessed the attack. He rushed out into the street and found a policeman to whom he pleaded: ‘Come quick, Mr Dowdle is hacking up his wife’s throat with a carving knife.’ The officer hurried to the house where he found Dowdle walking towards the police station, followed by a crowd of children. Dowdle had served with gallantry in the Zulu war but was sentenced to death in November. He was hanged by James Billington and William Warbrick in Manchester on the 6th December 1899..
Do you know which regiment he served with in the Zulu War?
This is all there was. I just knew this would get you going. I bet you don’t get any sleep tonight.
But I have found his last resting place. He was first buried at Strangeways Prison and lay there until 1991, then his body was exhumed and cremated, his remains were buried in a plot with others in Blackley cemetery.
Michael Dowdle was hanged for the murder of his wife, Ellen on December 6th 1899 at Strangeways Prison. His grave details are in the post above.
I have not been able to tell which Regiment he served in yet, but it is either the 21st or 88th. Hopefully as time goes by, we will find out.
1879Graves, I did not think that those found guilty of muder and hung were allowed to be exhumed and reburied on hallowed ground. Was their a reason why he was exhumed.
Any luck with his regiment yet 1879Graves. It would be interesting to see if we can find any mention of him during the Zulu War.
The cases of Michael Dowdle (1899) [HO 144/279/A61461] and Edward Simmons (1902) [The Times, 7 June 1902]. If provocation could often be redescribed in terms of insanity, drunkenness—when viewed in the form of delirium tremens and other physical disorders associated with persistent drunkenness—was even more suitable to such redescription. See the cases of F. H. Watts [The Times, 17 Nov. 1900], James Bottom [The Times, 14 Sept. 1901] and John Devlin [The Times, 27 June 1906], in the last of which the Medical Officer of Brixton Prison acknowledged under cross-examination that “delirium tremens is insanity” (Devlin was found to be insane and committed). Judges individually began to supplement or even replace the M’Naghten Rule by Stephen’s suggested “mental disease” standard: in the case of Samuel Redfern (1903), Mr. Justice Channell told the jury after citing M’Naghten, “he himself was accustomed to—and should continue in so doing until a higher authority decided against him—extend the law as there laid down slightly in favor of the prisoner by adding that if from disease of the mind a person is unable to consider what is the difference between right and wrong, then it may very fairly be said that he does not know what is wrong.” The Times, 5 Dec. 1903. Such “extension” was formalized in 1915, when in R. v. Fryer (24 Cox CC 403), Mr. Justice Bray explicitly abandoned the M’Naghten Rule in favor of “mental disease.
After the 1990 riot at Strangeways, the prison had to be virtually rebuilt. During the renovation it was necessary to exhume the remains of the prisoners executed there and at the New Bailey Prison and re-inter them elsewhere.
The Grave Register shows that two plots were purchased by the Governor of H M P Strangeways. The first entry for grave number C 2711 shows that 60 caskets of cremated remains were buried in this plot in 1991. The second entry for plot number C 2710 shows that 51 caskets of cremated remains were buried in 1993.
No luck with his regiment yet, but will keep looking. ?
1879Graves do you know if the remains are still within the walls of the prison.
All the bodies that were buried within the Walls of the Prison are now in Plots C 2710 and C 2711 at Blackley Cemetery.
Any luck with his regiment.
The only other information I have come across is that Michael Dowdle of the 21st was reported At the Battle of Ulundi on the 4th of July 1879 he was reported severely wounded. His regimental service number was 1589.
By comparing similiar notations on other pages I think I have deciphered the handwriting.
You are a Star Thanks for that.
I have come to the conclusion that Michael Dowdle (the murderer) was in the 88th Regiment of foot.
The Connaught Rangers The 88th Foot (“the Devil’s Own”) was an Irish Regiment of the British Army.
Its taken a while. Well done, Graves and Tom. A good one, to start the new year.
I now have to change my mind as I have found a reference to Michael Dowdle being a Fusilier which now puts him in the 2nd 21st Royal Scots Fusiliers Regiment.
I have been digging a little deeper :lol!: now I know which regiment he belonged too.
Michael Dowdle was born at Carrick-on-Suir, Tipperary, Ireland in 1858. His trade was a Labourer.
He joined the 21st Regiment on the 14th Feb 1878, he had served previously as a Gunner with the Tipperary Artillery.
He was only 20 years of age when joining the 21st and was 5 feet 7 1/4 inches tall. His chest Measurement was 3 feet 1 1/2 inches. He had grey eyes and dark brown hair. Michael did not have any distintive marks and gave his Religious denomination as Roman Catholic.
Michael was at the battle of Ulundi on the 4th July 1879 when he was hit by a bullet from a Martini Henry in the right thigh. This wound would finish his army career.
He was sent back to England to Netley Hospital and was discharged from the Army on the 20th April 1880 after serving only 2 years and 67 days with the Colours.
When he was discharged from the Army, he had one Good Conduct Badge and a 4th Class School Cert.
Another Mystery Solved. Nice one Graves. I will see if i can find some more.
Ive just been reading through the topic, very informative, and alot of information found from just a few names.
I remember reading some time ago – sorry I can’t remember the source – that someone who had won a medal in the Zulu War had got in trouble with the law, was sentenced to a prison term, and had been stripped of his award. He later committed suicide, presumeably because of the disgrace. Does anyone have any further information on this?
Tom. I think the person you are on about, won the vc in another British War, He fought in the Zulu war, Deserted in the Boer-War, lost his VC. and died in a work house. Can’t remember his name. Hopefully someoen else might.
Why is it i can never find information like this. . Littlehand your amazing..
Many thanks for giving me something to cut my teeth into on my return.
Charles Everard Canham is not listed on the Medal Roll.
I have found his service record and he was in the Army, Army Service Corps.
Charles did kill his wife and son. Please see his Court Record.
JOHN EDWARD MCLOUGHUN, Sexual Offences > bigamy, 10th April 1893.
“439. JOHN EDWARD MCLOUGHUN, Feloniously marrying Regina Adda during the lifetime of his wife.
MR. HORACE AVORY Prosecuted, and MR. LEONARD Defended.
ANN JANE HART . I am the wife of James Hart, schoolmaster, of St. Mary’s School, Scotch Parade, Athlone—I was present at the Baptist Chapel on 1st April when my sister, Rebecca Walsh, was married to John Edward McLoughlin, the prisoner, by the minister of the chapel, the Rev. Thomas Berry (The certificate was here produced to the witness, but MR. LEONARD objected to it.)—I was the principal bridesmaid, and witnessed the ceremony, which was in the usual form—I have been to a good many other weddings—after the ceremony I saw the parties sign their names in the register; the prisoner signed his name, I am sure—after the marriage they lived together as man and wife—the prisoner went to Ashantee, I think, in 1873, having lived with my sister as man and wife up to that time—I visited them three times—he was away a few months, and came home in 1874—afterwards, when he was in Egypt, I wrote one letter to him—his wife did not go with him, she was an invalid—she is in Court now—I know her writing—these cheques are all endorsed by her.
Cross-examined. I was about twenty-three at the time of the marriage—I saw the prisoner going up to the desk with two other gentlemen to sign a book—the minister, Mr. Berry, gave him the book to sign—I don’t know if that was the only book he signed—the prisoner separated from my sister in 1873, and came home early in 1874—they did not live apart by mutual consent after that; I used to inquire after him, and she said she heard regularly from him—they lived from 1874 to 1878 in London after he came home from the Ashantee war—I do not know that they were living separately in England by mutual consent.
Aldershot, and lived with the prisoner for a little time—in February, 1891, I took proceedings against him before the Magistrate, the result being that a separation order was made, and an order compelling him to maintain me.
Cross-examined. Q. Is it not against your wish that the prisoner is having this charge brought against him?—A. Unfortunately I don’t know what to say—I have entreated, and begged the prosecution—after the separation order I became reconciled to the prisoner, and lived with him again—I always thought I was his wife—as long as I have been in England he has contributed to my support—when I was illtreated by him he said to aggravate me, “I did not marry you, you married me”—when proceedings were taken against the prisoner to make him pay for my support, he did not say a word about his not being married to me—he has not treated me well since the proceedings at Aldershot—he has supplied me with money lately—I have gone back to live with him within the last few months; my position was so sad—I was all by myself in this country—I thought he was some companion to me—he has treated me kindly as a companion.
Re-examined. I complained of his assaulting me at Aldershot, and he was convicted and fined for it, and bound over to keep the peace for six months—I have a child, three and a-half years old, by him—I have no father or mother, no home, no money—during the last twelve months he left me in Egypt he only sent me £10—the Magistrates made an order for 30s. a week for me and the child; I believed then I was his wife—I heard a rumour that he had another wife and children in England, and then I communicated with the police.
CHARLES EDWARD MCLOUGHLIN . I live at Bristol, and am an accountant—I am the prisoner’s son—my mother lives at Bristol—the prisoner stopped there for a night three or four years ago—he has been in the habit of writing to my mother and contributing to her support up to last November; since then he has not sent anything—all these cheques (produced) appear to be drawn by the prisoner, payable to my mother, and endorsed by her—they extend from 1884 to 27th September, 1886, which is the date of the last—he was in regular correspondence with my mother throughout.
Cross-examined. I have seen my father write—cheques never came from Egypt several at a time, or in bundles, but always separately; one at a time as far as I remember—from 1885 onwards, I can safely say they never came more than one at a time—they were not antedated, or never more than a month—about 1886 my mother was in very weak health; she had a sort of nervous illness at the end of 1886—she never suffered from heart disease—grave fears were not entertained as to her life either at the end of 1886 or the early part—the prisoner has always contributed to my mother’s support and mine—my father and mother were not living apart by mutual consent, he was away on campaign—he was in the Zulu and Boer wars—at the Cape he was gazetted honorary captain on account of his distinguished services—at Dover he lived in barracks, and my mother was then in London—after the Boer war he was not at home for more than six months at the most—during that six months my father and mother did not live apart by mutual consent—they did not live together—when he was in London he was with us.
MR. LEONARD submitted that there was no, legal evidence of the first marriage, as the certificate was signed by Mr. Eland, the minister of a Baptist chapel, and was taken from a private register kept by his predecessor at the chapel, and therefore—(1) the register from which the certificate was copied was not a document of a public nature, which the officer who was supposed to keep it was under any duty to keep, and was not produced from any proper custody; (2) no certified copy could be given in evidence under the Evidence Further Amendment Act if there was any statute which enabled its contents to be proved otherwise; (3) the certificate was neither an examined copy, nor was it certified as a true copy by the officer to whom the original was entrusted. It was necessary to prove that the marriage took place in the presence of a Registrar, or, in his absence, that it was performed in a registered place. In the case of Baptists and Independents the only person who had any right to keep the record of a marriage was the Registrar, and his presence was as necessary as the presence of a clergyman would be in the Church of England, and the copy of the certificate should have been produced from him. There was no evidence that the requirements of the Act of Parliament had been fulfilled; there was no evidence that the marriage was performed in a registered place, or that the Registrar was present. Q. v. Cresswell; 1. Q. B. D. Q. v. Craddock; Foster and Finlayson. Q. v. Mainwaring; 1 Dearsley and Bell. Q. v. Savage; (2) Cox, 178, Q. v. Povey; 32 L. J. M. C. Q. v. Collins; Sessions Paper, 5th Session, 1883. Morris and Miller; 4 Burroughs.
MR. LEONARD also urged that as to the second marriage there was no evidence as to the law of Cairo, and that the certificate was not produced from the custody of the Consul.
MR. AVORY contended that the certificate of the first marriage was sufficient evidence of the ceremony, it being signed by the minister to whom the register was entrusted; that apart from that a witness had deposed to being present at the ceremony, and further that a prisoner’s admission of having committed bigamy had been held to be sufficient evidence against him. The RECORDER ruled that there was evidence to go to the Jury.
“JAMES SLATER, Breaking Peace > wounding, 12th September 1892.
“852. JAMES SLATER (32) , Feloniously wounding Jane Slater, with intent to murder. Second Count, with intent to do her grievous bodily harm.
MR. HUTTON Prosecuted, and MR. GEOGHEGAN Defended at the request of the COURT.
my husband—lie had been away to South America fourteen months—on Monday, 22nd August, I was awakened by my hand being out with a knife—I was undressed, and in bed—the prisoner was standing by the bedside over me, with the knife in his hand—I said, “Good God, Jim, what have you done?”—I was so frightened—he turned round to the table and out his throat—I called the landlady, who opened the door, bat was so frightened she ran downstairs, and I ran after heir—I went in next door, where the policeman came.
Cross-examined. The prisoner walked over to the table—he has been a soldier—he went through the Zulu war—I did not go to South America; I did not know where he had gone—I have one child three years old next month—the prisoner had had some drink that night—I never gave him any provocation—I did not hear him say anything about Deeming.
SAMUEL LAIRD JOLLY . I am a medical practitioner, of 19, Gold’ smiths’ Gardens, Acton—between ten and eleven on 22nd August I was called to 14, Osborne Cottages—I saw the prisoner—he had two small incised wounds in his throat two-thirds of an inch in length, slight wounds, only through the skin—I saw his wife in No. Id—she had an incised wound on the back of the hand, the dorsal surface between the finger and thumb extending into the superficial faciæ and into the muscular tissue; it was bleeding much—that could have been caused by a knife similar to this produced—it would require great force to inflict the wound, which was two-thirds of, or nearly, an inch in depth—I have attended her since—she has recovered.
Cross-examined. The wound was deeper in the centre—he asked me to attend to his wife first; he was in drink—I said to him he was a foolish fellow to drink so much—the woman throwing her hand up, and its coming in contact with the knife, would not cause the wound; the force would not have been sufficient.
Guilty of unlawfully wounding.— Six Weeks, Hard Labour.
JOSEPH FISHER, Deception > fraud, 15th December 1884.
“151. JOSEPH FISHER (33) , Unlawfully obtaining by false pretences 30s., the moneys of Our Lady the Queen.
WILLIAM SHAW . I am a sergeant of the 4th Battalion East Surrey Regiment—I was stationed at the Winchester Tavern, Great, Suffolk Street—on 13th November the prisoner spoke to me in reference to an advertisement in Lloyd’s newspaper—I said that it referred to men who had previously served and had been discharged with good characters after twelve years’ service—I told him if eligible he would receive 30s. on being attested at Southwark Police-court, and he would have to re-enlist for four years—he said that the conditions suited him, and handed me this’ parchment certificate—I told him I expected an officer up that morning, and I would show him the certificate (This certified the prisoner’s discharge on the termination of his first period of limited engagement, having served five years abroad in the Zulu war and at the Cape, and that his conduct had been good. Signed, J. Heneage, Colonel; Major Mears, Commandant)—in about an hour I received notice from my officer that he was not coming up, and told the prisoner so, and that I doubted the genuineness of the certificate—he said that if I wanted any reference there was his pocket ledger, pulling it out of his pocket—I took him before tha medical officer, and he was attested, and I paid him 30s., which I should not have done if he had been an indifferent character—he would not have been eligible—the certificate was returned to me with authority to apprehend him.
BOLTON MORSOM . I am Major of the 2nd Yorkshire Regiment—I was Commandant at Gosport between September, 1882, and June, 1884—during that time I signed a discharge for private Joseph Fisher, of the 2nd Northamptonshire Regiment—his character in the original discharge was “indifferent”—I know no commanding officer named Heneage or Meurs—the prisoner’s commanding officer at that time was Colonel Bond—no one was authorised to sign discharges at Gosport at that time but myself.
JOHN WHITWILL (Policeman G 329). On 19th November, about six p.m., I took the prisoner in Chelsea, and took him to Southwark Police-station—he was charged with forging a document and obtaining money by false pretences—he said “I put the first name I thought of on that paper”—I have served on him in prison a notice to produce his original discharge.
Prisoner’s Defence. On my discharge I came to London, and when I received my proper discharge, which I acknowledge burning, I received this parchment, and it was not filled in—I felt aggrieved at the discharge I received, and filled that paper up, as I thought I might be stopped as I had been seen about in soldier’s clothes, and I must plead ignoranon between “indifferent” and “fair”—I thought they wanted men who had completed their time and bad left without a bad character, and, foolish like, I took the certificate, which I had signed for my own protection—if I had not shown it they would have written to the depot and known all about it—I gave my proper name and address—I did not try to evade the law, and I am very sorry for what I have done.
There is no Roche or Cunningham listed for the 17th Lancers on the Medal Roll.
You got me searching the 17th Lancers roll in the hope that you could be onto something, but alas, this is what I have found.
A very short surname which is hard to read.
So back to the books for me.
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We now know, his first name is Robert and was a Major. Retired at the rank of Bevet Major.
Lord St Vincent battle of Abu Klea 17th January 1885 16th Lancers.

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