It might be worth evaluating `WizardLM-2-8x22B`

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by jukofyork - opened

I've been feeding it "seed stories" from goliath-120b and it's actually really impressive at improving them:

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Can you take the best bits from these 3 drafts of the same Grimdark opening chapter and produce a better version, with any inconsistencies fixed:


Chapter 1: Three... simple... tasks...

The sun beat down mercilessly on the parched earth, as if the desert itself were a living, breathing beast, hungry for moisture. Dust devils swirled and danced in the distance, casting long shadows across the barren landscape. In this desolate wasteland, an oasis of decay rose from the sands—a ghost town that had once been a thriving outpost, now little more than a husk of its former glory.

Through the hazy heat, a lone figure stumbled along the dusty road, his footsteps leaving shallow impressions in the fine sand. Dressed in dirty yellow robes that clung to his emaciated frame, he looked more like a mirage than a living being. The sun had long since burned away any trace of color from his skin, and his once-black hair hung lank and greasy around his sunken features. His eyes, however, burned with a manic intensity that belied the toll his journey had taken on him.

His name was Kael. At least, he thought that's what they called him before they took him in—before he found solace in the embrace of the cult. But that life was behind him now, or so he hoped. The cult and their maddening chaos could burn for all he cared. All that mattered now was survival, one step at a time, one breath at a time.

The ghost town loomed ahead like an oasis in the desert of his desperation. Perhaps there would be water, or better yet, food—anything to still the gnawing hunger that had become his constant companion. Kael's parched lips cracked into a mad smile as he imagined sinking his teeth into a juicy piece of fruit, or better yet, a fat rat scurrying through the ruins.

As he entered the outskirts of the town, Kael's heart sank. The buildings were nothing more than weathered husks, their adobe walls crumbling back into the earth from which they came. There was no sign of life, not even a stray animal or a scavenger picking through the rubble. It seemed the desert had claimed this place long ago, leaving only memories and dust in its wake.

Kael's heart heavy with despair, he trudged through the abandoned streets, kicking up clouds of dust as he went. He knew it was pointless, but hope died last—a cruel joke in this forsaken land. A scorpion scurried across his path, momentarily startling him before disappearing into a crack in the ground. Kael's stomach growled, a constant reminder of his hunger.

Suddenly, he spied it—a glint of light reflecting off something metallic amidst the rubble. Hope flared within him like a spark in the darkness as he hurried towards it, his heart pounding in anticipation. Perhaps his luck was changing, or maybe the gods—if they existed—were finally looking favorably upon him.

As he approached, Kael realized it was a small mirror lying amidst the debris, its surface cracked and dirty but still reflecting the harsh sunlight. He picked it up gently, as if it were made of spun glass, and wiped away the grime with the corner of his tattered robe. The face that looked back at him was a stranger's—sunken cheeks, wild eyes that burned with a feral intensity, and a patchy beard that had grown unchecked for weeks. He barely recognized himself, but then again, perhaps it didn't matter anymore. The cult was in his past now.

"I thought I might find you here," a voice said from behind him.

Kael whirled around, the mirror slipping from his fingers and shattering on the hard-packed earth at his feet. Standing before him was a figure swathed in a golden cloak, his face hidden by an intricate mask that glinted in the harsh sunlight. Kael's heart pounded in his chest as he took a step back, fear and uncertainty warring within him.

"Who are you?" Kael managed to croak out, his voice barely more than a whisper.

The figure smiled, revealing perfect white teeth beneath the slits of the golden mask. "A friend," he said smoothly, "or a foe, depending on your perspective."

Kael took another step back, his heart racing as he glanced around for an escape route. The stranger's words echoed in his mind: chaos is the primary directive.

"You don't belong here," Kael said, trying to sound more confident than he felt. "This place is cursed."

The stranger laughed, a rich, musical sound that sent shivers down Kael's spine. "On the contrary," he said, taking a step forward. "I belong everywhere and nowhere. I am the whisper on the wind, the darkness that surrounds you."

Kael backed away further, his heart hammering in his chest as he bumped up against a crumbling wall. He felt the rough adobe digging into his back, but he couldn't tear his eyes away from the enigmatic figure before him.

"I've come to offer you a choice," the stranger continued, taking another step forward. "Join me, and I can give you everything your heart desires—food, water, power beyond your wildest dreams."

Kael laughed bitterly. "What's the catch?"

The stranger's smile widened. "There's always a price to pay. Nothing in this world is free."

Kael thought about it for a moment, the hunger and thirst gnawing at him like an animal trapped within his own body. He thought of the cult and their madness, of the chaos they had unleashed upon the world in the name of some greater good. Chaos is our primary directive.

"What do I have to do?" he asked finally, resignation heavy in his voice.

The stranger's smile widened even further, revealing a mouthful of sharp teeth. "Just three simple tasks," he said, holding up a finger for each one. "First, find the girl—the one with the ancient power. Second, bring her to me alive and unharmed. And finally..." His voice dropped to a whisper as he leaned in close, his breath hot against Kael's ear. "Kill her."


Chapter 1: Three... simple... tasks...

The sun beat down mercilessly on the parched earth, as if the desert itself were a living, breathing beast, hungry for moisture. Dust devils swirled and danced in the distance, casting long shadows across the barren landscape. In this desolate wasteland, an oasis of decay rose from the sands—a ghost town that had once been a thriving outpost, now little more than a husk of its former glory.

Through the hazy heat, a lone figure stumbled along the dusty road, his footsteps leaving shallow impressions in the fine sand. Dressed in dirty yellow robes that clung to his emaciated frame, he looked more like a mirage than a living being. The sun had long since burned away any trace of color from his skin, and his once-black hair hung lank and greasy around his sunken features. His eyes, however, burned with a manic intensity that belied the toll his journey had taken on him.

His name was Kael. At least, he thought that's what they called him before they took him in—before he found solace in the embrace of the cult. But that life was behind him now, or so he hoped. The cult and their maddening chaos could burn for all he cared. All that mattered now was survival, one step at a time, one breath at a time.

The ghost town loomed ahead like an oasis in the desert of his desperation. Perhaps there would be water, or better yet, food—anything to still the gnawing hunger that had become his constant companion. Kael's parched lips cracked into a mad smile as he imagined sinking his teeth into a juicy piece of fruit, or better yet, a fat rat scurrying through the ruins.

As he entered the outskirts of the town, Kael's heart sank. The buildings were nothing more than weathered husks, their adobe walls crumbling back into the earth from which they came. There was no sign of life, not even a stray animal or a scavenger picking through the rubble. It seemed the desert had claimed this place long ago, leaving only memories and dust in its wake.

Kael's heart heavy with despair, he trudged through the abandoned streets, kicking up clouds of dust as he went. He knew it was pointless, but hope died last—a cruel joke in this forsaken land. A scorpion scurried across his path, momentarily startling him before disappearing into a crack in the ground. Kael's stomach growled, a constant reminder of his hunger.

Suddenly, he spied it—a glint of light reflecting off something metallic amidst the rubble. Hope flared within him like a spark in the darkness as he hurried towards it, his heart pounding in anticipation. Perhaps his luck was changing, or maybe the gods—if they existed—were finally looking favorably upon him.

As he approached, Kael realized it was a small mirror lying amidst the debris, its surface cracked and dirty but still reflecting the harsh sunlight. He picked it up gently, as if it were made of spun glass, and wiped away the grime with the corner of his tattered robe. The face that looked back at him was a stranger's—sunken cheeks, wild eyes that burned with a feral intensity, and a patchy beard that had grown unchecked for weeks. He barely recognized himself, but then again, perhaps it didn't matter anymore. The cult was in his past now.

He clutched the mirror tightly to his chest as he continued through the town, hoping against hope that there might still be something—anything—to ease his hunger and quench his thirst.

As Kael rounded a corner, he spied an old well in the center of a small plaza. His heart leapt with hope as he sprinted towards it, dropping the mirror in his haste. He peered over the edge, but it was dry as a bone, not a drop of water in sight. Kael let out a primal scream of rage and frustration, punching the side of the well in anger.

"Damn it all to Chaos!" he screamed to the heavens, his voice echoing off the empty buildings.

"Chaos, you say?" A voice said from behind him. Kael whirled around, fists raised in a futile attempt at defense.

Standing before him was a figure swathed in a golden cloak, his face hidden by an intricate mask that glinted in the harsh sunlight. Kael's heart pounded in his chest as he took a step back, fear and uncertainty warring within him.

"Who are you?" Kael managed to croak out, his voice barely more than a whisper.

The figure smiled, revealing perfect white teeth beneath the slits of the golden mask. "A friend," he said smoothly, "or a foe, depending on your perspective."

Kael took another step back, his heart racing as he glanced around for an escape route. The stranger's words echoed in his mind: chaos is the primary directive.

"You don't belong here," Kael said, trying to sound more confident than he felt. "This place is cursed."

The stranger laughed, a rich, musical sound that sent shivers down Kael's spine. "On the contrary," he said, taking a step forward. "I belong everywhere and nowhere. I am the whisper on the wind, the darkness that surrounds you."

Kael backed away further, his heart hammering in his chest as he bumped up against a crumbling wall. He felt the rough adobe digging into his back, but he couldn't tear his eyes away from the enigmatic figure before him.

"I've come to offer you a choice," the stranger continued, taking another step forward. "Join me, and I can give you everything your heart desires—food, water, power beyond your wildest dreams."

Kael laughed bitterly. "What's the catch?"

The stranger's smile widened. "There's always a price to pay. Nothing in this world is free."

Kael thought about it for a moment, the hunger and thirst gnawing at him like an animal trapped within his own body. He thought of the cult and their madness, of the chaos they had unleashed upon the world in the name of some greater good. Chaos is our primary directive.

"What do I have to do?" he asked finally, resignation heavy in his voice.

The stranger's smile widened even further, revealing a mouthful of sharp teeth. "Just three simple tasks," he said, holding up a finger for each one. "First, find the girl—the one with the ancient power. Second, bring her to me alive and unharmed. And finally..." His voice dropped to a whisper as he leaned in close, his breath hot against Kael's ear. "Kill her."


Chapter 1: Three... simple... tasks...

Kael stumbled through the barren wasteland, his once-royal robes tattered and stained with sweat, sand, and dried blood. An arrow protruded from his shoulder, the shaft swaying with each exhausted step he took. His face was gaunt, sunken cheeks emphasizing the faint outline of horns that remained from a curse long past—a painful reminder of his past life and the power he once wielded.

Ahead lay a ghost town, its adobe buildings crumbling into the sand. Kael's parched lips cracked into a mad smile as he imagined water—or even better, blood—to quench his thirst and fill his aching belly. He hadn't eaten in days, and it showed in his sunken eyes and protruding ribs.

As he entered the abandoned town, Kael noticed the remnants of a mirror on the ground, its silver surface tarnished but still reflecting the harsh sunlight. He picked it up gently, wiping away the grime with his sleeve to reveal a face he barely recognized: sunken cheeks, wild eyes that burned with a feral intensity, and a patchy beard that had grown unchecked for weeks. The man in the mirror was a stranger to him now.

He clutched the mirror tightly as he continued through the town, desperately searching for any sign of life or water. As he rounded a corner, he spotted an old well in the center of a small plaza. With renewed hope, Kael sprinted towards it—only to find the well dry as a bone.

Frustrated and thirsty, Kael punched the side of the well in anger. "Damn it all to Chaos!" he screamed to the empty buildings.

"Chaos, you say?" A voice said from behind him. Kael whirled around, fists raised in a futile attempt at defense.

Standing before him was a figure swathed in a golden cloak, his face hidden by an intricate mask that glinted in the harsh sunlight. "Who are you?" Kael managed to croak out, fear and uncertainty warring within him.

The figure smiled, revealing perfect white teeth beneath the slits of the golden mask. "A friend," he said smoothly, "or a foe, depending on your perspective."

Kael took a step back, his heart racing as he glanced around for an escape route. The stranger's words echoed in his mind: chaos is the primary directive.

"You don't belong here," Kael said, trying to sound more confident than he felt. "This place is cursed."

The stranger laughed, a rich, musical sound that sent shivers down Kael's spine. "On the contrary," he said, taking a step forward. "I belong everywhere and nowhere. I am the whisper on the wind, the darkness that surrounds you."

Kael backed away further, his heart hammering in his chest as he bumped up against a crumbling wall. He felt the rough adobe digging into his back, but he couldn't tear his eyes away from the enigmatic figure before him.

"I've come to offer you a choice," the stranger continued, taking another step forward. "Join me, and I can give you everything your heart desires—food, water, power beyond your wildest dreams."

Kael laughed bitterly. "What's the catch?"

The stranger's smile widened. "There's always a price to pay. Nothing in this world is free."

Kael thought about it for a moment, the hunger and thirst gnawing at him like an animal trapped within his own body. He thought of the cult and their madness, of the chaos they had unleashed upon the world in the name of some greater good. Chaos is our primary directive.

"What do I have to do?" he asked finally, resignation heavy in his voice.

The stranger's smile widened even further, revealing a mouthful of sharp teeth. "Just three simple tasks," he said, holding up a finger for each one. "First, find the girl—the one with the ancient power. Second, bring her to me alive and unharmed. And finally..." His voice dropped to a whisper as he leaned in close, his breath hot against Kael's ear. "Kill her."



11k tokens of back and forth instructions:

Chapter 1: The Burden of Chaos

The sun was a relentless overseer in the sky, its merciless gaze casting a pall of heat over the vast, unyielding desert. The landscape was a canvas of desolation, a place where the remnants of the past lay entombed beneath the ever-shifting sands. At the heart of this sun-scorched realm, a ghost town stood as a testament to the hubris of man and the indomitable will of nature.

Kael staggered through the barren wasteland, his once-noble robes reduced to filthy, tattered rags that clung to his emaciated frame. An arrow shaft protruded from his left shoulder, the feathered fletching swaying with each labored step. The arrowhead, a cruel sliver of metal, was lodged deep within the muscle, a constant reminder of the dangers that lurked in the vast emptiness of the desert.

Pain was his ever-present companion, a white-hot lance that throbbed in time with his heartbeat. The wound had festered, the flesh around the arrowhead swollen and angry, weeping a clear, viscous fluid that matted his chest hair and stained his robes with a dark, spreading stain. Despite the agony, Kael's eyes burned with a feverish intensity, a testament to his indomitable will to survive.

The ghost town beckoned with the siren's call of possible salvation. Kael's mouth watered at the phantom taste of food, his stomach twisting with a hunger that had become a constant, gnawing companion. The thought of water—cool, life-giving water—spurred him onward, each step a testament to his will to survive.

As he entered the town's silent domain, the buildings loomed over him like the weathered tombstones of a forgotten civilization. The stillness was oppressive, the air thick with the stench of decay and the weight of a thousand untold stories. Here and there, the remnants of lives once lived peeked out from beneath the relentless march of the sands—a child's doll, its painted smile now a grimace of despair; a rusted iron pot, its surface pitted and scarred by the ravages of time; a weathered gravestone, its inscription long since erased by the abrasive touch of the desert.

Kael's mind wandered to the past, to the days when he had been a member of the cult that had sought to harness the raw, untamed forces of chaos. He remembered the incantations, the sacrifices, and the way the world had seemed to bend to their will—a will that had been shattered by the very chaos they sought to control. The cult had been his family, their quest for power a bond that had united them in their mad pursuit of a new world order. But the power had come at a price, a price that had ultimately led to their downfall.

The memory of the cult's final days was a bitter pill to swallow. The chaos had consumed them from within, tearing apart the fabric of their unity and leaving nothing but ruin and despair in its wake. Kael had been one of the few to escape the carnage, a lone survivor who had fled into the desert with the cult's failure etched into his very soul.

As he prowled the lifeless streets, the pain in his shoulder a constant distraction, Kael couldn't help but wonder if the chaos had been worth it. Had their pursuit of power been nothing more than a fool's errand, a delusion of grandeur that had led them down the path of destruction?

The answer came in the form of a small, cracked mirror that lay amidst the detritus of the ghost town. Kael approached it with a mixture of reverence and trepidation, his reflection a stark reminder of the man he had once been and the broken shell he had become. The face that stared back at him was a mask of suffering, the eyes hollow and haunted by the specters of his past.

It was in this moment of introspection that the man in the golden mask appeared, as if summoned by the dark currents of Kael's thoughts. The stranger's arrival was preceded by an eerie silence, a sudden stillness that seemed to drain the life from the already desolate town.

"Who are you?" Kael's voice was a hoarse whisper, laced with a mixture of fear and curiosity.

"A friend," the figure replied, his smile a sharp-toothed grimace beneath the golden mask. "Or a foe, if that is how you wish to play this game."

Kael's eyes darted around the plaza, seeking an avenue of escape, but the relentless desert had him trapped in its unyielding embrace. The stranger's words echoed in his mind, a dark mantra from a past that refused to die: chaos is our primary directive.

"This place is cursed," Kael spat, his words laced with the venom of a man who had nothing left to lose. "You don't belong here."

The stranger's laughter was a rich, discordant symphony that seemed to stir the very sands of the town. "I belong wherever the whims of fate take me," he countered, taking a step closer. "I am the whisper in the dark, the shadow that feeds on your worst nightmares."

Kael felt the rough texture of a crumbling wall against his back, a tangible reminder of the cage he found himself in. Yet, he could not tear his gaze away from the figure before him, a figure that seemed to be carved from the very essence of the wasteland.

"Join me," the stranger offered, his voice a silken noose that promised both salvation and damnation. "And I shall grant you everything you crave—the taste of blood on your tongue, the cool caress of water against your parched throat, power that will make you a god among men."

Kael's laughter was a harsh, grating sound that seemed to scrape against the silence of the town. "And what would such generosity cost me?"

The stranger's smile widened, a display of sharp, predatory teeth that gleamed in the sunlight. "Everything has its price," he hissed. "In this world, nothing is without cost."

As the conversation unfolded, Kael couldn't shake the feeling that the man in the mask was privy to his innermost thoughts. The stranger's words seemed to echo Kael's own doubts and fears, as if he were plucking the very essence of Kael's consciousness from the air. The realization sent a shiver of dread coursing through Kael's veins, causing him to question his own sanity. Was this figure truly a being of flesh and blood, or was he nothing more than a figment of Kael's tormented mind, a hallucination born of pain and prolonged exposure to the unrelenting sun?

"What must I do?" Kael finally asked, his voice a low rasp that seemed to merge with the desert wind.

The stranger raised a hand, each finger marking a condition of their unholy pact. "Three tasks," he intoned, his voice a low whisper that seemed to carry the weight of destiny. "First, find the girl—the one with the ancient power that slumbers within her, waiting to be awakened. She is the key to unlocking the true potential of chaos, the catalyst for a new era of power and dominion. Second, bring her to me, alive and untouched. Her will must be unbroken, her spirit ripe for the taking. And finally..." He leaned in, his breath a hot, unsettling presence against Kael's ear. "You must be the one to snuff out her light, to extinguish the flame that burns within her. Only then can the true power of chaos be unleashed, and only then will you be granted the rewards you so desperately seek."

Kael's grip tightened on the mirror, its cracked surface a reflection of the fractured world around him—and of the shattered psyche that resided within him. In its depths, he saw the face of a man who had embraced the chaos, a man who was ready to dance once more with the darkness that had become his oldest and dearest friend.

As the stranger disappeared back into the shadows from whence he came, Kael was left alone once more, the mirror clutched tightly in his hand and the weight of his impending tasks heavy upon his shoulders. The desert stretched out before him, an endless sea of sand and secrets that held the promise of power and the threat of madness.

And so, with the sun beating down upon him and the cracked mirror reflecting the harsh reality of his existence, Kael set out on his quest, ready to embrace the chaos that awaited him. For better or worse, his journey had only just begun.

I have already evaluated it under the name alpindale/WizardLM-2-8x22B (downloaded from there). It received scores of B/C/D/S/P 3/1/0/6.75/4.75, which is okay for a finetune(merges usually outperform them); mistralai/Mixtral-8x22B-Instruct-v0.1 scored 1/1/0/7.5/4.5 (both highlighted in yellow). Overall, there was not much difference, except that Wizard severely messed up one of the styles, writing in a generic AI style instead of the specified style, and received a 0 for it, whereas Mixtral-instruct scored 0.75 for the same style. This again shows the imperfections of my test, since there are only 8 styles and one mistake can make a huge difference. I think I will need to create a new test soon, as llama-instruct (highlighted in light blue) performed almost flawlessly on SP, and CommandR and CommandR+ (highlighted in light green) are almost indistinguishable:
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(sorted by total)
The test worked well in LLAMA 2 era, but the future is approaching and is approaching quite fast. It still can find bad/dry models though, just can't distinguish between the best.

Oh sorry, I just typed "wizard" in the data card search box and nothing showed up.

I've had no luck with the official mixtral-instruct-8x22b as it just keeps stopping mid-sentence. I did make it a little better by adding a space between the opening <s> and [INST], but it's still not right... Gonna try without the imatrix to see if that fixes it now.

@jukofyork I gave up on official format for mixtral when it refused my B and C tests. I just used Alpaca, for some reason the whole mistral family likes and understands it better sometimes than the official format.

@jukofyork I gave up on official format for mixtral when it refused my B and C tests. I just used Alpaca, for some reason the whole mistral family likes and understands it better sometimes than the official format.

Thanks, I'll give it a try - I know the old mixtraland miqumodels were very finicky about the prompt, but I've never had the stopping mid-sentence problem before :/

It feels a bit strange to say it, but I prefer 120B self-merge of miqu over these new models. Maybe quantization hurts MoE too much? Or maybe MoE is the issue, as it feels like I'm talking to 40-70b instead of full 141B.
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They are pretty close at lmsys arena and at my benchmark.

Yeah, perhaps it's the extra layers of deepness that helps with the creativity somehow.

Do you ever try more experts per token? Maybe it's a placebo effect but I feel like I get better responses from Wizard using 3 or 4 instead of 2
I agree though. Overall I still prefer Miqu or Miquliz. Been hammering Wizard for 2 days straight and my chief problem when doing RP is you have to be a strict editor of chat history or you will get adjective salad.

Do you ever try more experts per token? Maybe it's a placebo effect but I feel like I get better responses from Wizard using 3 or 4 instead of 2

Not yet, but will give this a try when I get chance!

It feels a bit strange to say it, but I prefer 120B self-merge of miqu over these new models. Maybe quantization hurts MoE too much? Or maybe MoE is the issue, as it feels like I'm talking to 40-70b instead of full 141B.

They didn't perform better than Miqu on eqbench:

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Keep in mind that those are F16 models and Miqu is just Q5_K_M, so quanted versions would perform even worse.

51k context deep into a roleplay with Wizard and I feel like it's a tease. Some of the replies actually illicit a physical reaction in my body the writing is so good, but more often than not it is just okay

Do you ever try more experts per token? Maybe it's a placebo effect but I feel like I get better responses from Wizard using 3 or 4 instead of 2
I agree though. Overall I still prefer Miqu or Miquliz. Been hammering Wizard for 2 days straight and my chief problem when doing RP is you have to be a strict editor of chat history or you will get adjective salad.

You might be interested in this:

https://github.com/arcee-ai/mergekit/issues/294

It didn't really work as I hoped (ie: actually lower the perplexity of Mixtral-8x7b) but may well make these models "different". Basically you want to increase the scale of the block_sparse_moe.gate.weight tensor as you add more experts. This has the effect of making the softmax used to weight the experts more "peaked" and this in turn will likely have the effect of more closely matching the "hard" top-2 gating weighting factors...

I didn't test it's output though - as for my tests if it didn't actually reduce the perplexity for n=3 below n=2; it was pretty much pointless as you are just increasing the running cost to get something almost the same...

Do you ever try more experts per token? Maybe it's a placebo effect but I feel like I get better responses from Wizard using 3 or 4 instead of 2
I agree though. Overall I still prefer Miqu or Miquliz. Been hammering Wizard for 2 days straight and my chief problem when doing RP is you have to be a strict editor of chat history or you will get adjective salad.

You might be interested in this:

https://github.com/arcee-ai/mergekit/issues/294

It didn't really work as I hoped (ie: actually lower the perplexity of Mixtral-8x7b) but may well make these models "different". Basically you want to increase the scale of the block_sparse_moe.gate.weight tensor as you add more experts. This has the effect of making the softmax used to weight the experts more "peaked" and this in turn will likely have the effect of more closely matching the "hard" top-2 gating weighting factors...

I didn't test it's output though - as for my tests if it didn't actually reduce the perplexity for n=3 below n=2; it was pretty much pointless as you are just increasing the running cost to get something almost the same...

Interesting! Good to know. Thanks!

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