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Hi HF Community!πŸ€—

As my last 2024 contribution, I decided to write an article about a Competitive Debate Championship simulation I ran with 5 LLMs as competitors and 2 as judges:

https://huggingface.co/blog/as-cle-bert/debate-championship-for-llms

The article covers code, analyses and results, and you can find everything to reproduce this tournament in the GitHub repo πŸ‘‰ https://github.com/AstraBert/DebateLLM-Championship

I also released a dataset related to the data (motions, arguments, topics, winners...) collected during the tournament πŸ‘‰ as-cle-bert/DebateLLMs

Happy reading and happy new yeAIr!πŸŽ‰

The article conflates the true meaning of "open source" with "open" and relating it to "closed source". "Open Source" as term is derived from free software definition just as it says on your main article page.

But explaining to people how proprietary database is also called "open" only adds to confusion!

Dataset or not, it should be under same terms as free software. Forget the often abused word "open" and stick to clarity. Advice is for everyone.

What is Free Software? - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html

And "Open Source" has its definition too which is aligned to free software:

The Open Source Definition – Open Source Initiative
https://opensource.org/osd

There is reason why free software community does not use word "open" because it is misused and abused, while not giving to user the actual freedom.

Word "Open" as in "Open Source" - Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Open

Please refrain from using "open" or "open source" as a synonym for "free software." These terms originate from different perspectives and values. The free software movement advocates for your freedom in computing, grounded in principles of justice. The open source approach, on the other hand, does not promote a set of values in the same way. When discussing open source views, it's appropriate to use that term. However, when referring to our views, our software, or our movement, please use "free software" or "free (libre) software" instead. Using "open source" in this context can lead to misunderstandings, as it implies our views are similar to those of the open source movement.

Proprietary databases calling themselves "open" or META calling LLAMA "open source" is just bad attempt to enter into the community of free software makers. And many people follow it blindly.

Deepseek has done more for this civilization then META. Let us not be deceived by those corporations.

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Hi and thanks a lot for the specification!πŸ₯°

Just as a note from my side, in the article I specify that there is a difference between "open weights" and "open source" models, and I link this blog post: https://www.agora.software/en/llm-open-source-open-weight-or-proprietary/ for a deeper explanation of the difference. I never (and I would never) claimed that Llama is open source, let alone a free software (see the introduction in this article of mine on privacy and data "stealing" risks: https://huggingface.co/blog/as-cle-bert/build-an-ai-powered-search-engine-from-scratch).

And I would have gladly used also DeepSeek, if it had been available on HuggingChat! :)

I nevertheless highly appreciate your comment and I'll for sure be more cautious in using the word "open/open source" in the future. Thanks!✨