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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199913 | [S1] It seemed to me at least plausible that there's a very touchy political background there, that the court doesn't want to find in 1939 the government correct, that it's a collective right, but at the same time, they don't want to overrule the government. Uh, what I'm getting at is the Second Amendment seems to be something that courts don't like dealing with. That's the plain history, right? [S2] I'm not, I'm not sure that's fair. [S1] No? [S2] Uh, I think- [S1] What I'm really getting at is- [S2] No, no, but you- [S1] You took the case. Why did you take the case? [S2] Well, | 28.08 | 3.355843 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199913.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199914 | [S1] Well, a case, I had no choice. The case, uh, the district, uh, court had reached a decision on the case and there was an appeal. [S2] Simple as that. [S1] Simple as that. Court of appeals, court of appeals must take a case- [S2] All right. [S1] ... that is appealed to it. It does not have the discretion the Supreme Court has, uh, in taking cases or not taking cases, uh, through the writs of certiorari. So it was, uh, per force. We had to decide the issue. Uh, it was squarely put and, um, | 28.44 | 3.312056 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199914.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199915 | [S1] Well, admired is an overstatement. [S2] All right. [S1] I liked, uh, Warren Burger, but I didn't totally admire his jurisprudence. Uh, he was more political than I am. Uh, I, uh, there were state court, Supreme Courts that had held the Second Amendment was an individual right. But you're quite correct, the federal courts had, you know, almost uniformly in the, uh, latter part of the 20th century concluded that it was a collective right. Uh, and you're probably also correct to say | 28.04 | 2.998005 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199915.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199916 | [S1] Yes, I should interrupt to say that, uh, Republicans would refer to it as the Silberman-Raab Commission and Democrats as the Raab-Silberman Commission. [S2] Right. And if I ever interview Senator Raab, I can't promise that I might not, uh, call it- [S1] Well, I prefer- I used to always- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I always referred to it as the Raab-Silberman- [S2] Because you're- | 16.56 | 3.062984 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199916.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199917 | [S1] But I did not, our report did not speak to that because that was a, more of a political issue and we were rigorously bipartisan. And of course as a federal judge, I was rather careful to stay out of politics. [S2] Right. [S1] But I'm inclined to think it, we're getting close to the period where, for historical purposes, | 19.44 | 3.227417 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199917.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199918 | [S1] Uh, well, the information they had was not very good. It, it was based, as our report indicated, on a lot of fundamental and almost amateurish mistakes, some of them attributable to a lack of sharing of information in the intelligence community. So that, for instance, on the, I'll just give you one example. [S2] Sure. [S1] The, uh, the claim that, uh, Saddam had resumed his biological weapons program | 27.04 | 3.160758 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199918.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199919 | [S1] believed he had the weapons of mass destruction 'cause he was running a big bluff. [S2] He was bluffing his own generals. [S1] He was bluffing his own people. And Iran. He has recently said, uh, we now, we now know from recent material, when he was interrogated post the war, he said he wanted to run a, he indicated he wanted to run a bluff. So it would have been impossible for any intelligence community to come up with a conclusion that he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. A first-class decision would have been, a first-class opinion would have been, | 29.48 | 3.147101 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199919.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199920 | [S1] Had the intelligence community said that, I think probably the country would have gone to war anyway. [S2] Right. [S1] Since most people were quite convinced that he had them. Uh, it was counter-intuitive to believe that he had destroyed them and it was running this bluff. Uh, so it's a, it's a bit unfair to say we went to war because of the, uh, intelligence community mistakes. Because even had they done an absolute first-class job, it would have been impossible | 28.16 | 3.087088 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199920.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199921 | [S1] ... to have concluded that he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. And beyond that, even then, he was planning to resume his weapons of mass destruction after the sanctioned regime. [S2] Well, now, but you don't mean to be, to provide a kind of sort of exculpatory comments about the intelligence community. [S1] No. [S2] They did a lousy job. | 16.88 | 3.334821 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199921.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199922 | [S1] No, they did do a lousy job. But I'm discussing counterfactual history. [S2] Okay. [S1] And what I think historians will have to look at, and they'll begin to look at when the political winds die down in Washington, is did we go to war based on mistaken intelligence, or even if there had been a good intelligence, would we have still gone to war? | 28.16 | 3.177837 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199922.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199923 | [S1] 'Cause it would've been impossible to know he destroyed his weapons of mass destruction. And even if we had known that, we would also have known that he planned to resume them. [S2] Right. [S1] So, so I sometimes wonder whether it could be said this was a war of choice, or really whether it was an inevitable war, but the choice was a more question of timing. | 18.64 | 3.276296 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199923.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199925 | [S1] When I graduated from Harvard Law School, there was actually a serious- [S2] In which year? In which year? [S1] 1961. [S2] Right. [S1] There was a serious concern expressed by the American Bar Association that we had too few lawyers. Uh, the Warren Court, of course, had an enormous impact on the growth of the legal profession, uh, because after all, with all of its judicial activism, there was more and more power to- given to lawyers. | 26.2 | 3.142946 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199925.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199927 | [S1] to the legal process. Close quote. You are a graduate of Dartmouth College, a fancy pants institution, and Harvard College, another fancy pants institution. [S2] Harvard Law School. [S1] Harvard Law School, and you have taught for years at Georgetown University Law School. You've spent some time in elite institutions of higher learning, Judge, and here you are slamming those folks, are you not? | 21.6 | 3.29984 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199927.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199930 | [S1] You're concerned about the growth of lawyering, but you also make the point at a number of places, in 1977, that academia is distrustful, to a large, a remarkable extent, of capitalism and business and indeed of the democratic process. Would you care to stand by that statement today, that point? [S2] Absolutely. [S1] How come? What is it about academia that does that? | 25.08 | 3.292344 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199930.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199931 | [S1] But a more dramatic example might be, uh, brought to bear from Germany, when the academics in Germany were one of the first groups to in- embrace Nazism. [S2] Mm. [S1] So I'm not sure academics are necessarily, uh, drawn to the left. They're drawn to, uh, overall systems. | 23.04 | 2.888979 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199931.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199932 | [S1] ... through that problem. [S2] It's a good question, Peter, but it isn't, I don't think it's quite true to say that, uh, originalism, originalism and stare decisis are intention as a doctrine. They're not intention as a doctrine. [S1] Oh, they're not? [S2] I would put it this way. [S1] Yeah. [S2] If you were an originalist, you conclude, for instance, that, let's say, hypothetically, that Roe v. Wade was, uh, constitutionally, uh, inappropriate, an inappropriate decision. | 28.12 | 3.115879 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199932.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199934 | [S1] Do you see what I mean? They're not- [S2] Yes, yes. [S1] It's a, and, uh- [S2] They're not intellectually inconsistent. It's a question of a suit, of a, choosing in which case and for which set of reasons one may be forced to trump the other. [S1] Exactly right. [S2] To choose one trumping the other. [S1] Exactly right. [S2] All right. [S1] And so it can be strongly argued today that even if Roe v. Wade was, uh, incorrectly decided, that it would be too much of a traumatic impact on the country to rip it out. | 24.24 | 3.265588 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199934.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199935 | [S1] but it's too late to do anything about it. So what's the point in being an originalist if it's too late to do anything about anything? It's, it just, it reminds me of, uh, this quotation from G.K. Chesterton, "The job of progressives is to keep on making mistakes, and the job of conservatives is to keep- [S2] To preserve them. [S1] ... from being corrected." [S2] Yes. [S1] Exactly. | 16.64 | 3.277755 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199935.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199937 | [S1] Even as brilliant and committed an originalist as Judge Lawrence Silberman is only able to get back to the original meaning of the Constitution in a case where there was no major decision for seven decades. [S2] No, that's not a- [S1] No, okay. [S2] That's an unfair statement. [S1] All right, good. [S2] That's an unfair statement. [S1] Tell me, tell me why that's wrong. [S2] Well, I'll tell, hypothetically, had I been on the Supreme Court at the time Casey was decided- [S1] Which was 1993, four, two- [S2] Yes. [S1] Perhaps, early '90s, early '90s. All right. | 27.84 | 3.312648 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199937.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199938 | [S1] Uh, and one could logically conclude that, well, now wait a minute, 20 years later, at that point, you've, you've got too many settled expectations. The, the argument in favor of not overruling Roe v. Wade in 2009 is stronger than it was, uh, in early '90s. [S2] And, and the, as a general matter, the argument for a precedent becomes stronger every day, roughly speaking. [S1] Of course. Of course. [S2] Okay, so, so, um, last question. | 29.72 | 3.199847 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_BV1Qs411v7th_p4_m4-dialogue_0199938.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098003 | [S1] And I said, "Yes, and on economic affairs, on taxation, on contract rights on property, it has been interpreted essentially to, to ensure what you would call parliamentary and what we will call congressional supremacy." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Uh, the question is, how do they achieve this particular result, and then why is it wrong? Uh, the way in which they achieve it is through multiple different ways. Um, the first thing is that many of the kinds of provisions that you have under the Constitution are binding only on the state. So there's a clause which says that no state shall impair the obligation of contract | 29.8 | 3.191416 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098003.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098004 | [S1] ... the just compensation side of it. And a well-functioning government will try to match its benefits with its burdens, so the compensation that you get from the tax is in the form of public services. Well, the next question is, "That's not a bad formula. How would this tax apply under that formula?" Well, people- [S2] How would Nancy Pelosi tax? [S1] Yeah. Well, the answer is you're putting a disproportionate tax on a certain number of people. You're trying to do it to Welsh on a contract that had already been approved by the government. The benefits don't match the burdens. Supreme Court is already on to this trick, and it says that | 29.8 | 3.220892 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098004.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098005 | [S1] ... your, uh, well. [S2] You got me going. [S1] I was, I was going to say a colleague, and that makes it, not a, nobody is quite a liber- nobody has quite the view of the Constitution that you have, but Antonin Scalia has had it up to here with legislative intent. But may, but this is one place where perhaps legislative intent, his point is too much attention is paid to legislative intent by the so-called th- th- the liberals or the living constitutionalists. Let them pay some attention to legislative intent in this case because it's clear, just as you said, everybody's just trying to go backwards on a contract. | 29.44 | 3.2921 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098005.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098006 | [S1] ... of the additional taxes that they're now being asked to pay. They're being singled out for special treatment, and it's being imposed upon them retroactively in the sense that the Congress had already signed off on the contract. [S2] Right. Right. [S1] All you need to know is special and retroactive to damn it if you're doing constitutional law seriously. But the Supreme Court has already said special taxes are fine and retroactive taxes are fine, so long as you have a quote, unquote, reason for it. And, well, what's the reason for it? In this case, it's to quell the popular outrage at the people who receive bonuses that the | 29.8 | 3.227275 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098006.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098007 | [S1] ... things that they ought not to get. Anything counts as a reason. [S2] So in the analysis of Richard Epstein, the Supreme Court of the United States does not do constitutional law seriously. [S1] Well, it doesn't do it well, that's for sure. And the reason ... [S2] Okay. Hold on. Let me move to a slightly different question. Some 58% of federal judges, Supreme Court, and the rest of the federal bench have now been appointed by Republican presidents, over a third by George W. Bush. What kind of difference on the federal bench will President Obama make? | 26.6 | 3.308874 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098007.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098010 | [S1] segment two, collapse. In October of 2007, the Dow Jones Industrial Average stood at over 14,000. [S2] Hello. [S1] Those were the days. By early March of this year, the Dow had fallen to just over 6,500. That's a decline of more than half. What happened? [S2] Well, I just want to ask a question like this of a lawyer, but I, I will give you some sense of- [S1] Because I've heard you talk about it and it's pretty interesting. [S2] I mean, it's a bit- [S1] Give me, give me a, give me a shortish paragraph because I want to ask follow-up questions. [S2] Okay. Well, | 26.12 | 3.313342 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098010.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098013 | [S1] Well, I'm much closer to John Taylor than I am to Paul Krugman on this and probably every other question. And the account that I just gave dealing with the way in which the feds changed the money rate, um, is in fact an account of how regulation fails in some sense. [S2] What about that 2004, I think it was 2004, the SEC- [S1] I- I was gonna say that- [S2] Okay, go ahead. Explain that. First of all, explain the facts in that. [S1] Uh, | 21.16 | 3.511454 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098013.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098020 | [S1] ... claim that they had been given a haircut. That was a good, not necessarily a bad sign. [S2] You're saying that Bernanke and then-Treasury Secretary Paulson handled it reasonably well. [S1] Uh, but- [S2] They, they, they achieved a close facsimile of actual bankruptcy. [S1] ... bankruptcy, but the mistake was that they did it, and it would've been much better to have a bankruptcy course do this. [S2] The original sin in all this was letting Bear Stearns go, not letting Lehman go down later. It was letting Bear, uh, it was saving Bear in the first place. [S1] Well, it was saving Bear through political means through the Treasury. | 28.4 | 2.972618 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098020.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098023 | [S1] bailout, you've got to do my favorite things, and measures that could never pass while standing alone get passed when bundled up with everything else. [S2] Right. [S1] And that's just a terrible kind of mistake. And so if you put this stuff into the bankruptcy situation, no bankruptcy judge can pass a mental health parity bill as part of a reorganization. And then you would have this outside the political system. You would salvage the good, get rid of the bad. And at this particular point, the government still has some options. If you're really worried about the way in which some of these things are working, | 29.8 | 3.34276 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098023.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098029 | [S1] ... that you believe. He keeps all of his thoughts to himself. [S2] So he's Len- Leonard Nimoy- [S1] Yes. [S2] ... playing Spock. [S1] Yes. [S2] He's the Vulcan. [S1] He basically knows how to keep that shield over his face. Um, and it's almost a little bit unnerving to talk to him because you want to say, "Well, I agree with you," as opposed to having another question to sort of reformulate your position so he can understand it a little better. The second half of it, of course, is that the speech is completely inconsistent with the political record in the sense that, as a member of the Senate here, the- | 27.44 | 3.129381 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098029.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098030 | [S1] ... situation. He thinks that the creation of private wealth is something that government cannot influence or destroy. And so you have all of your fancy redistribution schemes and you read every one of them up here, right? [S2] Right. [S1] And you forgot to mention the health plan that he's put in favor of. And you didn't talk about the labor statute, which he's kind of slightly distancing himself from, but has certainly not repudiated. These are all wealth killers. And so what this guy is about to do, in my opinion, is to engage in a series of proposals that will redistribute wealth that we | 28.48 | 3.256935 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098030.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098031 | [S1] ... do not have. [S2] From the Boston Globe. You, you talk to a reporter at the Globe and the Globe- [S1] You're very thorough. [S2] ... and the Globe wrote, quote, "Richard Epstein, who taught with Obama at the University of Chicago, rejects the suggestion that Obama is an intellectual, arguing that he merely mimics an intellectual's mannerisms," close quote. [S1] Yeah. [S2] How good is his mind, Richard? [S1] Well, his mind is pretty good, but it's a clever means-ends mind. Well, he has never written a scholarly article in his entire life. | 25.96 | 3.350912 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098031.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098032 | [S1] He was president of the Law Review at Harvard, but never wrote an article. He never wrote anything. [S2] Well, if he did, it was unsigned, and it certainly wasn't going to be significant, but he never wrote anything in an academic nature. It's just not- [S1] But you give him tenure? [S2] No. [S1] At the University of Chicago Law School, you will not- [S2] No, no. | 14.76 | 3.094166 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098032.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098033 | [S1] No, no, no. I mean, this is, Jody Canter got this story from somebody, and I don't know where it was, although I have my hunches, that we had made him a tenured offer. What we did, at least the faculty, he was such an engaging fellow. Everybody, myself included, would have been more than thrilled to offer him a tenured track position. [S2] Get started. [S1] And then write something. [S2] Start publishing. [S1] Yeah. But, you know, you have to, the way it works in an institution is the dean approaches somebody, that's not an offer. The offer can only come from the faculty after it's been approved by the provost and so forth. | 29.8 | 3.330088 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098033.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098034 | [S1] And for that, we never got there because one of the things about this man is he has this high level of self-knowledge, as anybody I've ever met, in the sense he realized he wasn't cut out for academics. Hell, I'm not cut out to be President of the United States, so we're even, right? And he, [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] ... therefore decided that, look, he just wasn't gonna try this because it would not be the kind of thing that you want. I mean- [S2] A headline. | 20.12 | 3.107372 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098034.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098035 | [S1] ... job in terms of his intellectual format, the question is whether you could force him back. [S2] Uh, smaller point, but maybe not so small. He has a reputation as a brilliant orator. We now know that he will not give even brief remarks, the kinds of things that chief executives from Washington through Reagan through even George W. Bush would give with only a note card or off the cuff. He won't speak without a teleprompter. [S1] How come? | 22.08 | 3.157544 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098035.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098037 | [S1] Let's pursue that. Segment five, Epstein on policy. [S2] Okay. [S1] The Democrats hold the White House, both houses of Congress, as you know. A couple of measures that they seem to want and your views on them. The so-called Employee Free Choice Act, which you're just talking about here, commonly called the card check legislation, which would enable unions to gain recognition without a secret ballot. Richard Epstein, once again, I quote you to yourself, Richard. [S2] Wow. [S1] "It is commonly supposed that economic regulation is immune to constitutional challenge since the New Deal. That's not the case with this- | 29.8 | 3.296301 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098037.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098043 | [S1] So this is another example of wealth destroying legislation. [S2] Oh, this one is the worst. [S1] Okay. Richard, let me ask you something here. This is, we're coming up to the end of the program, but I want to, this is a kind of outlandish, struck me at first as outlandish, but then I began thinking about it and worried that it, maybe it wasn't as easy to refute as I might have liked. Here's the notion. Uh, lawyer and journalist John Hinderacker put up on his blog Powerline | 23.92 | 2.988751 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098043.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098045 | [S1] What they found is understood, perhaps, but could not possibly design around. If every organization that you have, the president, the Senate, right, the House of Representatives, and the court, seems to be- [S2] And the press. [S1] And the press. [S2] And the Fed. [S1] And- [S2] Those that are willing to join the parade. [S1] And all the independent agencies, there's no break on this particular system. And the reason why I get so worried about it is, is Obama whips up this populist fury, you know, by calling everything outrageous and so forth. | 26.4 | 2.848213 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098045.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098046 | [S1] Now, see, that's the bit where it does resemble Guatemala rather than 1950s Britain. [S2] Well- [S1] Don't you think there's a certain- [S2] Well- [S1] There's a feel of a cult of person- You see two million people on the mall chanting Obama on inauguration day- [S2] Um, that- [S1] Does that make you nervous or is that just too outlandish to- [S2] No, no, that- | 14.32 | 3.170123 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098046.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098047 | [S1] No, no, that, that doesn't make me particularly nervous. [S2] All right. [S1] 'Cause there was nothing particularly directed against it. That was all fuzzy good will. [S2] All right. [S1] What gets me nervous is not when people are praising and hugging one another, it's when they are ganging up and attacking a bunch of people who don't know what's hit them. Could you imagine being an AIG financial techie who understands how to manipulate derivatives and being faced with this kind of a threat and saying, "Well, now how do I get access to explain my side to this thing?" Well, the answer is the way you get access is to resign from the position. And we've already seen | 29.8 | 3.318868 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098047.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098048 | [S1] Nobody wants to join in an Obama plan. By the way, the Geithner plan is not very good because I think there's just too much- [S2] Right. [S1] ... federal risk and guarantees built into the entire system. But nobody wants to work at it because they're afraid they won't get any guarantees on compensation. And this is what I would tell them. You can't get it. They could write in blood today that they're gonna let you pay whatever you want to these fellows, sacred covenants. Congress could rip it up tomorrow. Because when you say that so long as you have noticed that Congress may misbehave, you've taken the risk of their misbehavior, that's what leads you very | 29.8 | 3.180206 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_7328103_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_BV1Qs411v7th_p5_m4-dialogue_0098048.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p6_BV1Dt411i779_p6_m4-dialogue_0165150 | [S1] Olaf under tower, a lot more difficult to try and clean those minions up because Uzi has half a bar of mana to harass him with. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Is able to hit the cannon with his axe, though. [S2] Yeah, that's something. That's, that's gonna be pretty good. But now I wonder when Evi gets a, a recall off 'cause at this point, he's used all Crumbling Potion stacks. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And Uzi still has that boots of speed advantage to, to kite away, to dodge some axes. [S1] I mean, he's, he's cramped some axes through the, through the minions to try and get a decent amount of gold for your next back. He still has the, you know- | 28 | 3.067953 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p6_BV1Dt411i779_p6_m4-dialogue_0165150.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p6_BV1Dt411i779_p6_m4-dialogue_0165152 | [S1] It actually got pretty close. The Ax was about to come back up once you pick it up, refunding the cool down there. [S2] Yeah. [S1] He had about a quarter of a second left on the next Ax to come through. Uh, so it was a little bit closer than that health bar told, but- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... again, Uzi moves on once again, his relentless march towards the finals. | 17.72 | 3.032873 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p6_BV1Dt411i779_p6_m4-dialogue_0165152.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131114 | [S1] Yeah, it's going to be exciting. Just to give you the quick overview of the tournament structure, uh, in the top eight, 1v1, it's still best of one, so four single games. Immediately following those four games, we will play the semi-finals, which will be BO3. So we'll have four best of ones into back-to-back best of threes. Then we're going to have the China versus Korea show match. Then we will have the 1v1 finals. So that is the run of show for the rest of All-Stars 2018. Faker and Pabu in the 1v1. He already took on Doublelift. [S2] Faker's next up. [S1] Yeah. | 27.2 | 3.279274 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131114.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131115 | [S1] I mean, and Pabu here with the blue hair that was just on your screen there. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, he's been kind of an underdog for the 1v1 tournaments considering, you know, how famous a lot of the, the names in this tournament that have been going far are. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But now he's up against Faker, one of his main goals here. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Um, and we'll see if he can actually take him down because he, he was one of the ones doing a lot of planning coming into this, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Coming up with, okay, if Heimerdinger is meta, then this is going to be my counter. [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] Or, you know, if X champions are what we're going to expect, he has a lot of these counter- | 29.84 | 2.845062 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131115.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131116 | [S1] ... to be fair, I'm going to walk back what I said, 'cause you recorded me from yesterday. [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] You really said, "Hey, how good do you think Mordekaiser is?" And I was like, "Probably not very." He's like, "But I think it's good on Heimdingger." I'm like, "Okay." And there's no Heimdingger, so he's not playing Mordekaiser. I feel like that- [S2] Oh, that- [S1] ... that- [S2] That's what your gr- story grew out of? [S1] More- more or less. But, like, he was thinking of counter picks, but he more or less was like, "Hey, man, what's it going? I'm from- Oh, so cool. I- I can tell from the accident." And he's like, "Yeah, how good's Mordekaiser?" And I'm like, "Mm, probably not the right choice." [S2] Yeah. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I think I- I concur. [S1] Yeah. | 27.24 | 2.965282 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131116.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131117 | [S1] Yeah. [S2] That one. [S1] I don't, yeah, even his level six, oh, and he's not even that strong, so. We'll see, though. Faker, uh, I, I actually have been liking watching Faker at All Stars. He's been more emo- [S2] You like watching Faker? [S1] Yeah. [S2] Oh, you hipster freak. [S1] I'm such a hipster. He's been very emotive, though, about how the game's been going. And this is gonna be spicy. We, we saw, like, a chain of, like, Tahm Kench and Pantheon 1v1s, where, like, the aggro melee was, like, maybe getting in, doing stuff. So now Faker, on this Cassio, pretty standard mage pick for him, but he's up against a dairy | 29.84 | 2.836039 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131117.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131118 | [S1] ... Darius, which is gonna be... [S2] Ooh. [S1] ... very spicy. [S2] I mean, I honestly think this could be really hard for the Darius. He does have Flash and Ghost, though. Uh, he's gonna need all that mobility. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Because, uh, Faker here, uh, can obviously ground him, uh, get extra speed with the poison. Darius is gonna have to choose the all-in very carefully, I believe. Uh, I mean, if you don't turn your back during Faker's, uh, ultimate... [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... I feel like that's, that's just the loss right there. | 28.52 | 3.002682 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131118.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131119 | [S1] So one thing I want to theory craft on the runes right here for this Darius is I actually don't like that he went, uh, Coup de Grace, which is bonus damage on low health, 'cause he'll execute with the ult, which is already true damage and won't be able to play. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I would rather he take Last Stand, 'cause he's gonna be at 10% at some point in that fight, and having a big Q hit when he's super low is, I think, a bigger deal. Really minor point, but it's one thing I would like to see changed. [S2] Honestly, I think Last Stand is super underrated. [S1] Yeah, it is. | 23.48 | 2.816 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p7_BV1Dt411i779_p7_m4-dialogue_0131119.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927189 | [S1] Not all of them are that great for 1v1s, but definitely agree. [S2] True. [S1] The options are there. [S2] But they've done what they could. So we'll see what comes through in this one. Best of three. We have not seen it from the top eight onwards, any handshake matchups. Uh, we've had a Nico Mir, but that seemed to be them intentionally just like, "Well, this is the best champion I have in my pool. We're ready to go." Like, we haven't seen any, any troll band games, so... [S1] Oh, you're thinking they didn't agree to that, uh, early on? [S2] I think it was they both put in three bands, said, "Okay, | 25.56 | 3.214032 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927189.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927194 | [S1] All right. [S2] ... and this is mobile right now for Pabu. [S1] He's going back to the Akali. Now, this is a champion with insane level six burst. Also, you can look really cool while you're going for these kills. Uh, and honestly, I think that Pabu might want to take it before the level six then, because Akali gets tremendous burst damage at level six. Uh, Olaf doesn't really get- [S2] 20 armor and no armor. [S1] Doesn't really- yeah. And, and then even if he pops it, it gets negative, right? [S2] Yeah. Yeah. [S1] 'Cause it's gonna take it back off. [S2] Both way, yeah. [S1] Uh, so- | 28.88 | 2.937033 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927194.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927198 | [S1] Oh, we have a Nimbus Cloak. Oh, he did that last time too. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, but last time I think he had Celerity, right? [S2] He did have Celerity. [S1] He had Celerity and Nimbus Cloak. Now he's decided the extra damage from, uh, Absolute Focus is gonna give him the edge. [S2] I like the dance-off though. This is nice. [S1] I mean, Prestige Akali's got... [S2] Uh, more updated moves, let's see. [S1] That's true. [S2] Uh, it's not exactly a fair fight. [S1] But, Brolaf juggles Aksis. | 21.16 | 2.930488 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927198.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927205 | [S1] Yeah. All right, all right. That was cool, though. That was, that was pretty close, though. And I think th- it definitely would have been either player, but probably just gotta do the run back now. He's got a two eldest one. [S2] Yeah. [S1] We get lots and lots of reaction shots, but they're gonna be ready to go soon. [S2] All right. Will his hair turn from blue or purple or whatever? Uh, I think that's a, that's a purple. Uh, into- [S1] Really? [S2] ... Super Saiyan gold-like quick shots. [S1] Ooh, blue or, blue or purple? [S2] 'Cause they have pretty much the same hairstyle. [S1] That is the | 24.2 | 2.880401 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927205.mp3 | [
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bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927213 | [S1] But, I mean, I forget what second wind fights, but like Overgrowth is also bonus health. Arguably shield bash is- [S2] So, the thing is, that's not his main stat tree, so you can go down to a different one. You don't have to take one from that line that fights with shield bash. [S1] He, he did all of it just to take, um, bone plating, basically. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Which, to be fair, is a good rune. But it's useless against poke. It turns on when you take the first hit, so you have to take a second hit for the bone plating to do anything. [S2] As expected, Caitlyn getting the early push here on the minions. | 26.48 | 2.985677 | 24,000 | audio/en/bilibili_data_743296_BV1Dt411i779_p8_BV1Dt411i779_p8_m4-dialogue_0927213.mp3 | [
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