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[S1] But don't do it. [S2] Yeah, I just, I, uh, no, of course. Uh, offered tons, man, but I've, I got to a place where I understood that the dollar, that the dollar shouldn't shift my will or want. [S1] Yep. [S2] Like, I don't want that to control what my journey or destiny is. And the reason why is because at one point it did. [S1] Do you ever get money guilt? Like, you know what I'm saying? Like from where you grew up, like people you grew up around and then you, you get guilty. Like, man, I made it out or I, I made it and I did it. And do you ever feel that?
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[S1] Well, like you said, something lined up. Everything made sense that allowed you to move the way that you move and get to where you got to. You can't feel guilt about that because you getting there opened up the doors and made it easier for the stars that are about to come- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... to, to come through. Like your, your path and road, think about it. American Idol, the first season.
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[S1] The first season, y'all came out and banged, and it was, "Oh my God, the world loves this discovery of new talent." Well, now season went through. [S2] They did not. [S1] Season went th- Yeah, they did. What do you mean? [S2] No, they-
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[S1] ... and that entity knows that I work well under pressure. I push myself more when people are pushing back. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I don't know what that means to my therapist out there, but I just, but, but I, I, I think because of that- [S2] You go harder when you know that you're being dialed. [S1] I go harder 'cause I'm like, what? [S2] You're being challenged, I'm going to step up more. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Okay. [S1] Yeah, yeah, yes. But also, I think what you're talking about, coming out of the fog, I think you can't be surrounded by yes people with that. [S2] That's not- [S1] I think you have to be surrounded by people that'll call you out on your shit.
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[S1] Um, I am extremely forgiving, and not to, like, toot my own horn on that. I mean in a bad way because sometimes I forgive so much that I just keep taking instead of, and then you, it's not very compassionate to let people get away with being something that's not good. [S2] Gotcha. [S1] You know? It's a compassionate thing to go, "You're kind of being a dick right now." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like, you should probably not do that. And I'm so forgiving and I take on and I take and I take and, and then there's the day and moment where- [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] Are you a, uh, closed circle or open circle? Like can, can people get into Kelly's circle? [S1] I'm very inclusive, yeah. [S2] Really? [S1] I'm, yeah, I'm, I'm, I, I will say- [S2] Even at this point in your life? [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Well, it's not even the capacity though it's time, right? We have kids. [S2] I don't have the time. [S1] Yeah, we don't, yeah. [S2] I don't have the time for anything. [S1] I don't think there's any shame in that. And I, and I also think that there's also a season for certain friendships. I think that there's, I think, um, somebody was just telling me about that. We were talking about this in my house actually, um, and, um, it was a friend of mine, Deb, and she was saying, I was reading this thing called, you know,
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[S1] ... relationships can come in seasons. I was, like, "I've read something like that too," and I think that it's so true. I think people get offended, but it's not. People come into your life for a certain reason and you, you learn from each other, you progress, and they might move on. You might move on. Like, that might happen. And I, I don't think that there's any shame in that. I think that that's just life. [S2] I've never heard that, but I love that. [S1] We both read it somewhere. We couldn't figure ... Probably the same book or something. [S2] I, I love that. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Seasonal friends. [S1] Yeah. And it sounds bad. [S2] Get outta here, fall.
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[S1] We share so much synergy. Like, you know, me and my guys, we were on a roll. We toured so much. So, you know, now you look up, tour life is slowed down, things are changing. You find yourself around, you know, the, the, the production set and crew, and some of the friends are a part of that, and some of them aren't. [S2] And you want to invest 'cause you're there. [S1] Yeah, so your, your time gets divided, and like you said,
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[S1] That's hard too, right? [S2] Start to put distance. [S1] Coming off the road, that's always a weird thing for me. Like coming off the road and like it's just such a different schedule. You're not even allowed to go on stage or perform or do anything until like well after, you know, nine usually or 8:39. And then, you know, it's just a different schedule all around. And then you get home and it's like, where's my day sheet? Like, what is my schedule? And like, why am I up this early? [S2] I'm so used to it. I'm so used to this. [S1] Yeah, it's, you're so used to it. It's such a hard thing to kinda, to navigate. So I do like the TV schedule for that reason.
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[S1] Oh my God, you fall into the space of TV. You find success in a space of TV. [S2] Which is hard. [S1] Well, not only is it hard, but, you know, let's just give flowers when flowers are due. Well, Kelly, there's some, what, of a golden touch. Oh my God. Kelly equals success. Like you're, you're starting- [S2] Not all the time. [S1] I didn't say, I didn't say all the time. [S2] Oh, all the time. [S1] In this business, let's just say from the- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... from the outside eye,
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[S1] There's a high level of success that's attached to what you do. And now, going to the voice, you touched on it. You touched on it for a second. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I think that's the dopest thing ever. Like- [S2] I love doing the voice. [S1] I, I think it's the dopest thing ever, and you said a piece of it, and no matter what I was gonna get here in our conversation anyway- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... but I like how it's coming full circle. [S2] Me too. [S1] I like the full circle side- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... of you now.
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[S1] As you were talking, uh, like, as you were talking about it before, you were like, "Yo, I get to give the information of what's gonna happen because of this." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] "Hey, don't take this for granted. This moment is big, but here's what's gonna happen." [S2] Yep. [S1] But you got it. Don't let anybody tell you. Like, you get to act as a different, inspiring voice. [S2] Well, and I get to be what I'd, I'd honestly didn't have. There was- [S1] What you didn't have, exactly. [S2] There was, there, I would've loved that. Like, anybody to just text and,
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[S1] you know, just run something by. Um, it's been really, it's funny that we're talking about this. Actually, um, Brandon Debb, Brandon is my first, uh, the first season I did The Voice, season 14, she was my, the winner of that. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And she was on my team and she's actually staying with me right now, uh, she and her mama. And, um, I, I mean, she, it's so funny. I met her at 14 years old and she's about to turn 18 year old in my house. And I'm just, just being able to be, like, she was just performing on my show and I'm just in tears, like, every time I see her. [S2] Why, why is she staying with you? [S1] She's got a release, she's got an EP coming out.
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[S1] ... this 14-year-old girl, like, completely flourish and become who she's gonna be. [S2] More importantly, you get to be to her what you never had. [S1] I didn't have, yeah. [S2] That's cool. [S1] And it's really cool.
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[S1] Yeah. And it's, and it sounds super cheesy and home-work-y, but- [S2] It's not, what is cheesy about that? [S1] Well, I'm just saying it sounds like, you know, an after-school special, but it is really, it is a really, um, beautiful thing that's indescribable. Whenever you know what it's like to not have someone and to be able to actually be that call or that text. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] Yeah. [S2] What else do you wanna do? What else does Kelly wanna do in the business?
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[S1] One take. I love the live aspect. [S2] Okay. [S1] Just like a tour. Just like you're doing a special. Like, I love the live aspect of it. I don't like doing a movie or whatnot. You have to, you have to be a different level of good when you do what you do when you're in movies and you do like 50 takes of the same feeling. Um, I don't like that. But I, but I like the one, the one take of it. I think that there's something beautiful and special about it because then every night is different. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I think that that's cool.
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[S1] She didn't get to do a lot in her 20s. My, I lived my 20s up. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like, I went everywhere I wanted to go. I hung out with, I, I, I seized every opportunity. Even if the vacation was, ended up weird, I still was like, I did it. Like, so I think at this point in my life, I'm 38 years old, I have two kids that I think are frickin' awesome. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And now I'm playing wolf pack in the backyard with them. Like- [S2] That's- [S1] Yeah, so it's just different. So I'm more of a homebody now.
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[S1] Um, I didn't want, I, once again, I, I think I saw my mom, all that responsibility, all of that on her, and I just felt like she missed out on a lot of life. I just, and I didn't want to be selfish with that. I really loved my career. I didn't want to have kids in my 20s. I didn't want to do that. And, and, and until I met my ex-husband, like, you know, I met him and he already had kids, and I thought, well, this is kinda cool. Like, I like doing homework, I like going to do these things, and so- [S2] Wow, so you found the love based off of- [S1] I found that. [S2] Wow. [S1] So then I
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[S1] I found that. [S2] Wow. [S1] So then I, so then I'm so glad I did. It's the coolest thing. I don't think you have to have children to be fulfilled in life, but it is the coolest thing ever. [S2] It's a different switch. [S1] It is. [S2] It's a different switch. [S1] And it's hard. It is, they are sponges and they will call you out on your shit more than anyone- [S2] Absolutely. [S1] ... on the planet. But, um, but it's, I don't know. I, I, it's, it's a wonderful thing and I, I, I love my timing. I, I think I loved how I timed. I didn't have a kid 'til I was like 31.
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[S1] And what's important at home. It's like, is there, is family dinner important? Is there, is there a system in the house- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... that you follow based off of what your life wasn't when you came up? [S2] Yeah. [S1] What have you put into your life that- [S2] No, that's interesting. [S1] ... is a clear change?
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[S1] I'm going to throw my wife under the bus. So look, for Easter, this year, um, you know, we have our youngest, Ori. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] K-ori is seven months now. Zoe- [S2] Wow. [S1] Ken-Zo is three. And then we got 16 and 14. So have- and do are older, and it's more about the family dinner.
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[S1] Right? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So, with the younger kids, it was like, "Yeah, all right, we're g- we're gonna eat dinner, we're gonna do, like, a little brunch and dinner." So we didn't really focus on the egg hunt. Last minute, my wife was like, "You know what? No, I gotta do an egg hunt." I literally saw my wife grab six plastic Easter eggs and throw 'em like a hand grenade. [S2] Uh! [S1] She just threw 'em outside. It was like, "Zo, go get the eggs. Find 'em." And I was like, "Well, that's not really a search." [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] He just kinda...
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[S1] I had little tiny toy gifts and I tied balloons to each one and they all, they had both had different color balloons and they had to go find their balloons. Like in our, we have a pretty good backyard for LA. And, um, and so, yeah, they were little, so they didn't have just a ton of sugar. I gave them some sugar. I'm not that mom, but I- [S2] Last time you guys all dressed up alike. [S1] Oh, we just dressed alike? [S2] Alike. All the same. [S1] Well, we had similar colors. We don't ever dress identical, but we have similar color patterns. [S2] Ha!
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[S1] ... and it pisses my kids off. [S2] Oh, really? [S1] 'Cause I overdo it. [S2] Oh. [S1] I overdo it. Halloween, all right. What is it gonna be this year? [S2] All right. [S1] I get hype. All right. [S2] We get into it too. I had a, I have a Halloween tree now. Like, not just Christmas. [S1] A Halloween tree. [S2] We have, I put the tree up that's for Christmas, but then I, we decorate it with, they love the, the scary, weird... [S1] You decorate- [S2] What is, Nightmare Before Christmas? How are children not frightened by this movie? I don't know. [S1] Wait, wait. So you decorate a Christmas tree with Halloween decorations? [S2] Yes,
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[S1] I go backstage before the show. I sit on the toilet for about an hour and I just sit there. Please God, whatever has to come out- [S2] Let it come out now. [S1] ... let it all come out now. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Granted, things came out, right? [S2] I've had that prayer. [S1] I won't get too vulgar with it. [S2] Yeah, but I've been there. [S1] I distribute it. I distribute it. [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Get the knock on the door. Mr. Hart, they ready for you. [S2] Are they? [S1] I hear my security. Kev, it's time to roll. Cool. I stand up, look myself in the mirror. Gotta be honest, I wasn't looking too good.
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[S1] I wasn't looking too good. I saw it. [S2] I knew it wasn't good. [S1] I saw it in my face. I was just like, I look weak, whatever, but I'm a turn it on. Uh, I get to, to the hallway, walk into the stage. I hear the music start to play, say my name. [S2] Are you sweating? Do you have the- [S1] Lights hit me. I'm not sweating. I'm not swe- I'm not a, I'm not a sick sweater. It's, it's a feeling. It's all within. [S2] I'm all of it. [S1] Lights hit. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Kelly, I turn it on. "What's up?"
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[S1] Yeah, man, that's what I'm trying to tell you. I'm just gonna spit it out. [S2] You're like a, like an auctioneer. [S1] I'm spitting, I'm spitting it out. Kelly, it got to a point, it got to a point where I said, "There's no way that I can make, I, I, if I take a step, it's gonna happen." [S2] Oh. [S1] And I made a decision and I was, I remember looking these people in the face. I looked these people, this was these people. I looked these people in the face. I said, "Fuck it." And I just,
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[S1] I had like a, a little trench coat on and I wrapped it around my waist. And after I wrapped it around my waist, I said, "Bop, bop, bop, bop, bop." I said, I said, "There it is." And I, and I, I finished the show and I was like, "Goodnight!" [S2] Woo! [S1] And I, I walked off that stage. [S2] Please tell me you said deuces. [S1] No.
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[S1] They didn't know what song to, they didn't know if I quit the music industry. They had no idea what happened. They're just left on the stage. So you couldn't leave the stage, there's no one else there. [S2] There's the opera. Look for you. [S1] I left the stage with the band there and they're just jamming. So they come back, I come back and my band leader didn't know what song to play. So he just picked one that, you know, out of the set list. It wasn't just to like jam until like maybe he came back. He didn't know what was happening. And he played this song and, um, the beginning of the lyrics, "No shit."
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[S1] are, I came back on stage, I was like, "Okay, I'll just pop in and I'll just start singing." Like, nothing, everything was fine. I just went pee. I'm so feminine and, and dainty. And, and so I walked back in and literally the first lyrics out of my mouth are, "Looks like I made a mess again." [S2] Oh, no. [S1] [LAUGHS] I was like- [S2] You can't write that. [S1] I was like- [S2] You can't write that. [S1] What? [S2] You can't write that. [S1] Yeah, that's what it was. It was how I feel. That was the song. [S2] Those are the opportunities that make us who we are. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Build character. [S1] Have
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[S1] ... happened in Staples Center too. Everybody's cheering me on. I felt like everybody was cheering me on while I was just destroying a trash. They were like, "Kelly, Kelly." Meanwhile, I, me and a trash can are going to war. [S2] Well, I wanna, I wanna set the record straight. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And Kelly's stomach is weaker than mine. I had one. [S1] [LAUGHS] I had two in 20 years. [S2] I gave you one story. I got, I had one. [S1] In 20 years, I had two. [S2] Cereal shitter over there. [S1] [LAUGHS] No. [S2] Right? We have- [S1] I had two. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] No, no. Yes, we were talking about, you know, we don't follow that. Where do we go from that? [S2] You can't follow shit. [S1] No, man. But I do want to say, I love you, I admire you, I appreciate you for coming on. Hell, and I think it's dope as hell that you are unapologetically you. At the end of the day- [S2] Oh, thank you. [S1] ... you just continue to go and grow. That's what it should be. That's what it always will be. So- [S2] I like you for the same reason. [S1] Shine. Shine. [S2] There we go. All right. [S1] Good for you. Kelly Clarkson, guys. Show some love. Oh, what an interview. What a day. [S2] Is there a trash can? [S1] No, no, not here. Not here.
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[S1] ... big deal. [S2] I really, honestly, that makes me feel actually, feel validated because I'm not, I don't consider myself necessarily like a comedian in the sense, like I couldn't do what you do. [S1] Okay. [S2] You know, and the, and I couldn't be on, on a stage telling a joke and make people laugh. I'm more of, um, you know, I can be funny. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] But I never thought of myself as like a comedian. [S1] Well, you say comedic actress, but- [S2] You know, comedic actress, yeah. [S1] A comedic-
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[S1] ... even like, you know. [S2] A comedic actress. [S1] A comedic actress, yeah. [S2] A comedic actress with the chops and potential- [S1] Thank you. [S2] ... to take on the stage if she chose to. [S1] Yeah. But I feel really, I love, it makes me feel good that you feel that way about what I do. [S2] I mean it. I mean it. [S1] Thank you. [S2] Uh, I'm gonna give you the quick lay of the land before we get into our discussion. [S1] Let me see it. Okay. [S2] There is no prep. There is no predetermined conversation. There is no interview, and you and I figure out what we're gonna say to say it. My goal here is to have a real talk show where you really talk. [S1] I love it. Where we talk.
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[S1] So this is basically what happened. My girlfriend and I, my, my girlfriend who's, she's an entrepreneur. She's in the beauty and apparel for women. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And she, we're really good friends. You know, we drink wine together. [S2] Okay. [S1] What do we do with our friends? [S2] The girlfriends. [S1] Yeah, exactly. And we started kind of thinking, you know, we want to have wine. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We want to have more wine. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But we don't always feel great after we drink wine. So- [S2] That is dry mouth. [S1] That is exactly. [S2] Yeah, got you. [S1] You know,
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[S1] You know, wake up in the morning, like, we have to function the next day. [S2] Exactly. [S1] Why are we going to have another glass of wine? But we really want to do. So we started asking ourselves, how can we make wine better for us? [S2] So you created your own.
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[S1] What the category of clean is across many categories. It's sort of defined by certain things, usually what's not in a product. And so, whether it's skincare or something that you're eating, or organic, whatever it might be, it's basically how can I consume something that I know doesn't have anything in it that I can't pronounce, or that I don't know what it does to my body. I just want it as clean and simple as possible. [S2] I was going to say, you, you took out the complications and- [S1] Well, well-
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[S1] Well, well, wine making is, is, you know, as a fan of wine, it's a process. It's a living, breathing entity. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] You know? And so the, the value that we wanted in our wine was it to be just as, as close to fermented grapes as we could get. [S2] Okay. I love it. Cheers to you. [S1] Cheers to you. [S2] Good. Cheers to you and your breakdown. [S1] Thank you. [S2] See, this is the beauty of the show. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Organic conversation. Now you're like, "Yeah, let's talk." Okay, let's talk. [S1] That's amazing. I love that. [S2] You said something while talking about this. You said, "I wanted to do something that allowed me to be at home." [S1] Mm-hmm.
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[S1] That isn't that, has to be sort of handed off to other people. [S2] Mm. [S1] You know? So, like, different parts of my life, whether it was my home or every aspect, from finances to just the management of just me as a human being. Not me as Cameron Diaz because- [S2] The machine. [S1] Cameron Diaz is a machine. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But, like, for my personal pers- my personal spiritual
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[S1] ... you know, self, um, I was realizing that, you know, it's kind of like that, that one part of me that functioned at a high level wasn't enough. [S2] Mm. [S1] You know? It's fun to do. I love it. I love acting. It's, you know, I can go forever. I literally feel like sometimes I have unlimited, you know, uh, energy and, you know, inertia. You know what I mean? [S2] What does inertia mean? [S1] Like movement forward. Like, you know, giving- [S2] I'm going to do that a lot. [S1] ... to, you know-
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[S1] You know, just like putting that forward. And I just realized that I looked around and it was just like so many parts of my life that I didn't have, I wasn't touching and that I wasn't managing. And I couldn't really manage it because it was so, it was so big. Everything was so, you know, massive. [S2] How old were you at the time when you're getting this realization? [S1] I'm like 40. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know? [S2] And it's clicking at this point in a way that it never has. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah, I feel whole and like, and I also didn't have, you know, I didn't have the, uh, you know, I, my fam- I met my husband. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, we started a family, all of those things that I didn't have time for before and didn't actually, not just not have the time for, but didn't have the space to make the decisions, the right decisions for me at the times to- [S2] I love to hear. [S1] ... to bring that in, so. [S2] I love to hear it.
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[S1] Here's, here's a question. When you talk about your team, right? When you talk about the people that were around you for 20 years, was that a meeting? Was it a conversation or was there- [S2] Everybody kinda knew. I was just like, "I'm fucking tired." [S1] It was a, it was just a- [S2] Like, Mama needs a dick of nap. [S1] Yeah. It was a decision- [S2] Yeah, yeah. [S1] ... that, that you made and it wasn't, it, people saw it coming. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah, everybody saw it coming. And even like my manager, Rick Yorn, who's like my brother, um, you know, he, he's like, "I know you're serious." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like, "I know you're serious." He's, he'll, he'll say, he'll sh- bring me something every once in a while where I'd kinda go like, "Am I gonna do that?" And then I'd think of all the things I'd have to let go of- [S2] To do it. [S1] ... in my life that I have, I touch now. Like, I would have to go away from all of it, and I don't want to. Like, it's- [S2] It's like a passion now for what you're doing. [S1] Yeah. Like,
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[S1] Like, I literally am just, like, it's so great to know. And, and I actually consider those options to help me remind me that I'm doing exactly what I want to do. You know what I mean? [S2] How long have you been married? [S1] Six years. [S2] Six years. Congratulations. [S1] Yeah, great. Thank you so much. [S2] How many kids? [S1] We have one child. [S2] Uh, boy or girl? [S1] Girl. [S2] Girl. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Name? [S1] I don't, actually, I, I, her, people know her name, but I just don't say it. [S2] You don't say it. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Okay. I like it. I'm finding out. I'm getting everything. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] I'm, my, my feeling about it is like, people know who I am. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I want her to have her autonomy as long as she, you know, like, I want her to have her autonomy. [S2] You're protecting your, you're protecting your child. I get it. [S1] And I want her to be, I'm an identity, exactly. [S2] You don't have to explain that. It's very simple. I don't want to do that. I, it's- [S1] You have kids too. [S2] Yes, I have four. [S1] Two young ones, right? And two older ones. [S2] I have two older ones. Uh, 16, 13, about to be 14. [S1] Uh-huh. [S2] Three. [S1] Uh-huh. [S2] Seven months. [S1] Seven months. [S2] Seven months. [S1] Three years old. [S2] Seven months. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] ... business, it's a tug of war. It's a tug of war as to how many people get it versus how many people don't. Um, tell me what that energy is for you. I mean, you're talking about motherhood. Are you just, are you engulfed in it? Are you- [S2] I love it so much. [S1] Yeah. [S2] It's like, sometimes I'm literally like, I used to do so much in a day. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] [LAUGHS] You know,
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[S1] ... childcare that helps us, which is so, I don't even know how mothers who don't have childcare do it. [S2] Mm-hmm. It's a lot. [S1] I really do not understand. [S2] It's a lot. [S1] My heart goes out to them, and they are superheroes. Um, and I know that's where, like, the true fatigue comes in when you don't have somebody to sort of, like, pass them off to. [S2] Absolutely. I mean, you give me my kids for an hour, I'm, I'm not... [S1] Yeah, exactly. [S2] No shot. [S1] You're like... [S2] No shot. I, you, you, I'm, I'm looking, I don't know how anybody does it. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I don't, I don't get it. How do you... [S1] It's like melts down... [S2] How do people do this? [S1] I
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[S1] My, my, my oldest, Heaven, is amazing. [S2] Yeah. [S1] She's amazing. My, my, my son, my oldest son, don't leave him with any responsibility. [S2] No. [S1] No, it's, you'll find a baby face down. [S2] Oh, no. [S1] No. Yeah. [S2] Dude, I told you, watch the kid. [S1] I was online. I was on the game. I didn't know. I didn't know. Uh, but I will say, I, I second what you said. You know, the mothers that literally take on that responsibility, that may or may not have help, and just, you know, do it. Get it done. They are heroes.
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[S1] It's a lot. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Raising a child is a lot. [S2] It's so much. And I even think back to my childhood because my sister and I, we had a, the babysitter in the neighborhood. [S1] Older sister, younger sister? [S2] Older sister, two years. [S1] Okay. [S2] And we had the babysitter that all the kids went to in the neighborhood. There's 35 kids and like one woman and all of us were just animals, you know? We're like just ripping each other's hairs, hair out. [S1] God bless her. [S2] And like, it was just like- [S1] God bless her. [S2] ... mayhem every day.
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[S1] First of all, in your, in your household coming up, was it a, was it mom and dad? [S2] Mom and dad, yeah. [S1] Okay. So do you think because of the way- [S2] Yeah. Oh, for sure. [S1] ... that you guys were raised, does that add to your- [S2] Yes. [S1] ... hands-on tactics now? [S2] Yeah. I mean, you know, my parents, my, both my parents worked, so it wasn't like they were, like, off, lost to us. [S1] Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. [S2] You know what I mean? There was a, we knew, we got up with them, we went to school, and they would come home eventually in the evening after work.
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[S1] ... for us. [S2] So you're with, are you with, like, an agency, or are you- [S1] Yes, I was an agency. [S2] So you got, you're just living there, and it's- [S1] I'm living there. I'm going on every single call- [S2] Holy cow. [S1] ... possible. Didn't get the job. I came home to do my taxes. Whilst I was home, I went into my agency, which here, I worked all the time, worked every single day. And my agent, my commercial agent said, "Hey, they're casting a movie. They want to see girls. Will you go in and read for the part?" And it was for The Mask. And so,
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[S1] And here's this- [S2] ... to somebody. [S1] Exactly. And here's this, like, like, LA commercial actress that Chuck Russell was, like, "She is my Tina Carlyle. I want her." And he took me through the entire process. Like, I was doing wardrobe and dance- [S2] How old are you? How old are you? [S1] I was 20. And I turned 21 on the set of The Mask. And he basically was, like, "You're going to be my Tina Car- You're gonna be my Tina. Just keep coming." I was doing dance rehearsal. I was doing, you know, wardrobe fittings. I was doing everything. I still hadn't got the job yet.
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[S1] And it was basically like two weeks before they were starting to film. They said, "You got the job." [S2] How long, how long did you go through the process? How long did you go through the process? [S1] It was like a, a month or two, I think, or a month and a half. [S2] By the way, understand what you just said. This can be the demise of an actor or actress, okay? When you, when you are acting as if you have said part. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And you haven't been given said part. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] It's a very dangerous space to play in. [S1] But I wasn't an actress. [S2] I, that's my point. It's like- [S1] I was a model.
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[S1] I th- that's my point. It's like- [S2] I was a model. [S1] But you then, you're, you're, you're engulfed into this now dream. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You're, oh my God. [S2] It was really exciting. [S1] So you want me to go? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah, you want me to go meet? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Yeah. You want me to go talk? Yeah. And it just keeps progressing and progressing.
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[S1] Yeah, it was really wild. It was just sort of like, all of a sudden I was like, I'm not, I don't consider myself a really competitive person, but I really just thought it was so much fun. I had, I'd never gotten the rush that I had gotten when I- [S2] By doing that. [S1] You know, by acting with Jim Carrey, you know what I mean? And I said, you know, "All right, okay." I didn't even know what it meant. I didn't know what making a movie meant. I didn't even know how to hit a, like, I knew how to hit a mark from doing commercials, but, like, acting wasn't my thing. [S2] You're thrown into it. [S1] Yeah, I'd never done it before.
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[S1] I was not, I was doing commercials and I was like, okay, I guess so, sure, uh, you know? And then I was just like, this is fun, I'll do it. Sure, great. And then after I did it, I had such, it, I had never had a sense of community before because as an, as a model, we would be on a, you know, uh, shoot for maybe a week and then you'd never see the people again. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But you know how it is on a, on a set. [S2] On a modeling set, I do. [S1] No, yeah, you know how it is, you know, when they're just like. [S2] On a modeling set. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Why are y'all laughing? [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] That wasn't your laugh.
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[S1] This could be my career. This is now what I want to do. [S2] Yes, then I was like, this is fun. I want to do this. This is what I want to do. And so I got an agent and I, you know, was basically like, I don't want to do the parts they're going to ask me to do. [S1] Okay. [S2] Those are not the parts I want to do. [S1] Okay. [S2] Whoever asked, like, my first offer I got after the mask was to play like a scientist, you know, like a sexy scientist, you know, from Russia. You know? [S1] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] And, you know, I said to him, I was like, "I don't want to be put on the back burner. I want to, like, I really am serious about this. I want to, like, try to find, you know, roles- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... that aren't, you know, the ones that they're going to want me for." So, you know, I did, like, an indie film called The Last Supper, and then I did Head Above Water with Harvey Geigel. Then I did Feeling Minnesota with, like, Keanu Reeves and, um, Vincent D'Onofrio. And- [S2] And all these, all these are, like, calculated picks, or- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ...
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[S1] Yeah, they were just, like, things that I had the opportunity to do. [S2] Good rules. [S1] You know, but they weren't, like, the, you know, I was literally just learning how to act. Like, I was just, I called it on-the-job training. [S2] Acting coach at this time? You know, acting coach? [S1] Yes. [S2] Okay. [S1] I did, um, have somebody who would help me out, but it was more, but not on set. [S2] Okay. [S1] You know, just, like, before I would go into- [S2] A long time. [S1] You know what I mean? Like- [S2] Go over the material with you. [S1] Yeah, exactly. [S2] Got you. Got you.
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[S1] And then I started kind of getting more into like trying to figure out like how to, my process. [S2] Okay. [S1] Um, and then, you know, I did like, um...
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[S1] You know. [S2] No, you're, you're, you're poison polish. [S1] Yeah. [S2] At that point. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Like you're, you're coming in not only knowing what you're doing, but- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... you're really good at the craft. And, and something about Mary, you're talking about just comedic timing at- [S1] Yeah, it's fun. [S2] ... at a very high level. And working with Ben Stiller- [S1] I know, he's so great. [S2] ... at the time, like, you know, that's been, been in his prime, prime, prime. [S1] Yeah. [S2] Like, the movie was just full of nothing but buttons and punch lines. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And till this day, I'm gonna say, Franks and Beans- [S1] Franks and Beans. [S2] ... Franks and Beans-
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[S1] Franks and beans is one of the best lines that was not the line- [S2] Uh-huh. [S1] ... that I've ever heard in the movie because Warren's in the background. He's in the background of that scene and it's about Ben on the stretcher and you're putting him in and in the back you just hear, "Franks and beans." [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] It's in. You see like the air muffs and he's like- [S2] Yeah. [S1] He's like out of focus kinda. And it, it's, there's so many gems in that movie.
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[S1] Yeah, Charlie's Angels was our, and intent was to make Charlie's Angels be, you know, like, you know, we wanted to be female action. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] You know? And we want to, it was very, for us too, like we didn't use guns. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We didn't kill anybody. We were all like, it was hand-to-hand combat. It was our, you know, our skill set. [S2] It's the best family. [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah. [S2] You, you checked all the boxes to get families in the theater. The biggest- [S1] Yeah. [S2] I'll say this, okay, to everybody watching this right now. The biggest goal for any studio, uh, I won't say for any actor or actress, but I'll say for a studio, the, the biggest prize, if you can somehow do a project,
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[S1] And it's a family project where any and everybody can come and they can see it together. [S2] Yeah. [S1] They can see it as husband and wife, boyfriend and girlfriend. They can see it as mom, dad, with all the kids, aunt, uncle, where you check the boxes where anybody can come to a theater. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] That is a monumental project and not many can do it. [S2] Mm-mm. [S1] You did it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And you guys did it. [S2] We did. We had so much fun doing it too. [S1] It was so perfectly casted. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] Yeah, it was so great. And Drew, you know, Drew produced that. She created the opportunity, you know, and she was, she got me on board and it was one of the best times, you know, making a film ever that I've had. [S2] You go out, you're now done. All right, let's just fast forward. Let's get back to almost where we are now. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] You decide to walk away.
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[S1] Thank you. Um, I, and, you know, now with, with my wine, I, you know, try to engage- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... as much as possible, but I just really have zero, I have zero interest in show, sharing my life with people. [S2] I don't think you should. [S1] [LAUGHS] It's like- [S2] I don't think you should.
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[S1] And it's so, it's so cool because like, I get it. Like our marketing gals who are social media gals, they are, they're amazing and they understand it, like, they get how to make this work. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And they'll be like, "How about if we," I'm like, "Nope. If you wanted to," I'm like, "I don't." [S2] You should, but you shouldn't. [S1] Like, I literally do not. [S2] You shouldn't. I, I think there is such an amazing thing- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... in privacy. [S1] Oh.
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[S1] For those that have chose to, to truly, uh, prioritize it, right? Like I'm, I'm on the opposite- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... side of the spectrum. I'm as transparent as they come, and I love it. You know, I take the good and the bad. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That's why I'm always okay if I step in shit and it's still on my shoe and I walk, I'm fine. I open up for a reason because my life is about being open. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Whether it's through what you see on social media or the stage. I'm an open book. [S2] Right. [S1] I tell stories- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... about me and who I am and what I go through.
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[S1] Early on in my career, I kind of adapted the side of, I want to know and understand the business. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? How do I not just be a work-for-hire? [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] It's like, there's so many actors or actresses that are work-for-hires, and then, you know, if the,
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[S1] ... town says, "We don't want you no more," and you're done, how do, how will you work? Like, what, what do you do? Like, is it back to wherever you came from if you didn't manage your money? I don't want that. So how do I get the business? You did Bad Teacher- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... with Jason Siegel, right? Jason Siegel, a good friend of mine. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And the conversations of Cameron Diaz's business approach to Bad Teacher. Cameron took nothing.
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[S1] ... up front. She just did the movie. Cameron, in return, got everything on the back. That's why Cameron left. [S2] Right. Uh-huh. [S1] Cameron, the numbers, I just kept hearing bigger numbers. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Cameron walked away with this. No, no, no. Cameron walked away with this right here. Bad teacher, she backed the truck up. That's why she left. There was enough money for- [S2] Bad teacher was like a, like, I did four other movies or five other movies after Bad Teacher. [S1] I'm telling you what I, listen, this is- [S2] That's so funny. [S1] I've got to give you this from the tab. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So I keep hearing it, I'm like, "She took nothing." [S2] [LAUGHS] I, I did- [S1] She gambled.
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[S1] ... involvement. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I knew about the producing head. I knew about how you were able to put yourself in a position to make those deals. So I went and I started doing research, but your, your business success and trajectory, it was a part of the admission. [S2] Well, I'll t- the, so the, you know why I take the back end? [S1] Mm-hmm.
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[S1] By the way, you know, do you understand that that's a rare mindset? Do you understand, like, why it's a rare mindset? [S2] I, I think so. I mean, it's, it's, I don't- [S1] Give me your thought, I'll give you my thought. [S2] Well, for me, I don't care about the money. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Like, it's not really, like, I've never done a movie for the money. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I've made a lot of money making movies- [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] ... but I've never actually taken a job
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[S1] for the money. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I've only taken it because I wanted to make the movie, and I wanted to work that those actors and that director. [S2] Love that. [S1] That's it, ever. [S2] Love that. [S1] So for me, I was like, I don't want to take this big, obnoxious number in the front. I would rather get, put it on the screen, put in my energy, put in my time, put in this, the, the promotion, give it my all, and in the end of it, at the back end of it, I would like to take my share of it there. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Because then I feel like I earned it. [S2] Mm-hmm.
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[S1] Then I know that I made the money I deserved on this movie, instead of you paying me for what I've made in other movies. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I wanna make, I wanna get paid for what I did, would do with this movie. So that was my mentality. [S2] Okay. [S1] For me, intention is everything. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Why are you doing what you're doing?
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