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[S1] I'd love it if you do. [S2] Well, the interesting thing was, I realized, I, I collect the stories more than the cars. 'Cause a lot of times, the story is so good, that it makes you want the car, you know? [S1] Okay. [S2] I mean, I had a 1953 Hudson Hornet.
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[S1] We just come and look at it. So, okay. So I go out and look at it. It's, he died in '96. This is about, uh, 2002, '03. And she said, "Would you buy it?" [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's, um, okay. So I bought it. So I get it back to my garage. It takes about two years to get it all finished. I said, "I wonder if he's still alive."
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[S1] Just having the time of their lives, you know? And she's, and she's really whacking them in the head. I mean, Jesus, I, I thought she was going to put their eye out, you know? And they're, they're just having the time of their lives. And then the two kids are telling me that when they were teenagers, their dad had this 15-year-old car, and they were so embarrassed that the, the dad would drop them off three blocks from school- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... so the kids wouldn't see that Dad had their... And of course, now it's a classic. And, and it was just so much fun. And that lady lived to be 104 years old. But
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[S1] No, no, that's not true. But this is what happens when you don't do research on this show. [S2] I don't do research. [S1] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [S2] Okay, I'm gonna, I'm gonna find out what it is and then I'm gonna t- [S1] First of all, you're not gonna found out what it is. You're gonna find what it is. [S2] I'm gonna find out what it is. I'm drinking wine. [S1] Find out what it is. And if, I know, I know, I can see. [S2] I'm drinking a wine. [S1] Yeah, yeah. [S2] I'm gonna find out what it is. [S1] This is why I drink Australian water only. [S2] No, you drink water because something happened that you don't want to tell us and you drink one time. [S1] No, no, that's not true. That's not, that's not true. [S2] You
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[S1] You've never drank? [S2] No, I never drink. [S1] Never? [S2] No. [S1] No. What's the reason? There has to be a reason. [S2] It, it doesn't interest me. I, I'm, you know, it just not something I, I was always a designated driver in high school. I was always the guy that would drive the drunk kids home. And, and so it, it just, nothing that ever appealed. [S1] You didn't like the way that he looked. [S2] Here's the thing, I'll tell you what, this, again, it's show business.
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[S1] I always tell people, if you can physically make it to the stage for seven years, you'll be successful. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And most people can't. Too drunk, too straight, too gay, too... There's some reason, jealousy, envy, there's always some reason, other than their talent, that they don't make it to the stage. Um, you know, Sam Kennison, classic example of this, just spun out of control. Funny.
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[S1] 16 minutes worth of laughs after an hour of following Richie. The next time I got on stage, I just did 16 minutes. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And that's how you grow. I mean, you know this, comics go, "I'm not playing that club. The audience suck." That's right. Go where the audiences suck. You know, I booked myself an Oral Roberts University one just to see if I could play it.
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[S1] And it was fine. It was different. It's a challenge, you know? Comics are lazy. It's like water. It follows the paths of least resistance. You go to where, uh, go to where you suck. Don't go to where you kill. Go to the place you do terrible at, and then try to win those people. [S2] What about Red Fox? [S1] Oh, Red Fox is great. Nobody funnier than Red Fox. [S2] Did you have a relationship with a fox?
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[S1] I know, just to say hello. I was with him one time in Vegas and the IRS would follow Red around. They'd go, "Lady, do you have Red Fox?" And they'd run up on stage, they'd take the ring, and they'd take a picture, give him a receipt, how much cash you got. [S2] 'Cause he never paid taxes. [S1] He did. [S2] So they'd follow him around- [S1] That stuff was true. [S2] Yeah, they would take his car, [LAUGHS] take a cab home. [LAUGHS] [S1] Yeah, it was, it was, it was hilarious. It was just, like, funny. [MUMBLES] [MUMBLES] You know, you do a lot of... But, yeah, it was very funny.
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[S1] You know. I, I just think I, I bust my ass, as you have as well. [S2] That's a busted ass? [S1] I, I'm, I'm bust my ass. This is, if I show, this is a busted ass. So at, at some point, at some point, I just, I know I'm going to wanna sit down. At some point, I know I'm gonna wanna not have to do as much to bust my ass. It doesn't mean like not have fun, not have a good time. [S2] Yeah, yeah. [S1] It, it just means like at some point, I know- [S2] And when do you think that is?
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[S1] Uh, I don't know. I feel like you're going to get mad at me. [S2] Yeah. [S1] After, after hearing your reaction. [S2] No, no, no. When do you think they're, how old are you now? [S1] Right now, I'm 41. [S2] 41, okay. [S1] So, so what, what's the number? [S2] I think like 50. [S1] 50. [S2] I think. [S1] Really? Like 50.
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[S1] And he, he would get in fights like that. You know, he was Mr. Universe, third runner up in 1953. [S2] I didn't know that. [S1] Yeah, he, he a tough guy. And whenever he'd come to the night show, "G, G, what's the latest filthy joke, G? What's the new joke?" And I would tell him the joke, and he would laugh like a pirate. He'd go, "Oh-ho-ho-ho!"
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[S1] Jay, that's a good one. Jay, and everybody would hear him. And he's the only guest that would take a shower at the Tonight Show. Jay, I want to take a shower with you. And he'd take his shirt off, you know, he'd be all masculine, you know, and we'd give him a towel and you could hear him in the shower. Oh, yeah, yeah. He would, like, sing and, uh, he, he killed me. And he's the only guy I ever saw actually slap his knee. [S2] As he, as he, as he laughed. [S1] Yeah, yeah, and he laughed. Yeah, hilarious. [S2] That's a big deal. [S1] Hilarious. [S2] Uh, is there any guests
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[S1] 'Cause you can't say, I know you can't them under the bus. [S2] What? [S1] What the, the, no, I don't want to put you on that scene. I'm not going to put you on that. [S2] What, what, what? [S1] I was going to say the worst guests. I don't want to put you on that. I was like, okay. I know you know the worst guests. [S2] Well, no, you know, the worst guests is usually somebody that doesn't want to be there. Their publicist made them do the show. Uh, yeah, so I don't really blame, I don't know why they came. Yeah, that was always bad. But no, I don't really focus on them.
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[S1] I, and did you cut those short? Did you just like- [S2] Well, you, you, you plow through it, you know? [S1] Okay. I will, I will ask you- [S2] What's that? [S1] What's what? [S2] Well, I was going to tell you my favorite one, one time. [S1] Okay. [S2] Uh, uh, Tracy works for you. [S1] Okay. [S2] One day, one day, you know, we were trying to put, uh, Kathy Gifford on the show, Kathleen Gifford. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And she was mad at me.
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[S1] Well, Arsenio and I were always friends. And we got the show, that whole thing started, I'm gonna kick Jill in his ass. I remember that whole thing was going on. [S2] It was, I thought it was a joke, but I thought it was real. [S1] Well, no, it, it was, so, so anyway. So Arsenio's show was premieres and I'm watching it, you know? And he had Brooke Shields the first night. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And he said something like, uh, "This show's gonna be about the funk, you know? Could I see Barry Manilow's ass on this show?" Something like that, you know, in the audience.
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[S1] And I, and I hear him say, "Who's that? Who's that?" I'm like, "It's Leonard." "Oh, it must be that asshole." I said, "Put him on the phone." He goes, "What do you want? What do you want, man?" I went, "Ooh, next week, bad man." Well, he broke out laughing, I broke out laughing. I mean, it was really funny. It was really funny. And 'cause I said, "You need everybody. You can't not get everybody." [S2] Right. No, you want- [S1] You need everybody. [S2] You're doing too many episodes. [S1] Huh? [S2] You have to have everybody. [S1] I need everybody. I just remember that was my favorite. And then I was sitting
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[S1] ... and I refine it. [S2] But it is, like, but there was the, the quote, unquote, beef was just for nothing. [S1] Well, no, I guess it is. I mean, you know what it is? The people around you start the beef and keep the things going. And, uh, he and I were always friends. I mean, I knew his mom in the old, I mean, yeah. And he's great, and he's great in the new movie. [S2] Yes, uh- [S1] And he looks exactly the same. I look like his father, but he looks exactly the same. [S2] Jay, what are you talking about? You haven't, you've looked the same for 20 years. [S1] No, that's, your eyes are going bad. [S2] No.
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[S1] No, you've looked the same- [S2] Well, thank you. [S1] ... for 20 years. You look great. Your energy is always great, and I love that you're living life at a high level, man. And for you, like, you, you, you walk your own beat. You're, you're on your own path. You always have been. And I think it's, honestly, I'm envious of your love for the craft of comedy. I can't get over that. [S2] Oh, yeah, I love it. [S1] Hearing you talk about it, it's like, damn, you know, why am I, why am I always thinking about the end? Why am I always thinking about how am I going to exit? What's my-
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[S1] I could be in show business and around show business without being absorbed by it, you know? Like, I love Charlie Sheen. He's a friend of mine, but I don't wanna be Charlie Sheen. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So whenever he would have his antics and be in the paper and I'd have him on the show, and I enjoy observing him without being in it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know? I wasn't the guy going to the Coke party or any of that kind of stuff. I had no interest in it, but I, I liked being around it. I loved the energy of it. And that's what was the most fun about it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And that's what I like about doing comedy. There's always energy in it, you know?
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[S1] Was there ever a moment where you almost stepped in that space? Where you almost went into the, the, the, the fast lane of Hollywood? [S2] No. [S1] No, never. [S2] No, no, I, no, I always, you know, something, I got the same friends I had in high school, been married to the same woman for 41 years. [S1] Wow. [S2] It's just easier, just easier. You come home, okay, thank you. [S1] Good for you, man. [S2] I don't get a dessert fork in the back of the neck, you know? How, how many guys I know, you know, they're sleeping in the white, "I'll kill you."
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[S1] I can say if I had the, if I had the information that you're giving now at the earlier points of my life and career, of course, a lot of, uh, mistakes and missteps, uh, probably wouldn't have been made. But just like you, the level of understanding and now knowledge that I have because of them is so much better. [S2] Yeah, but you learn from all of them. [S1] Absolutely. [S2] So, so, and it makes you who you are. [S1] Absolutely. [S2] So none of this would have happened without those mistakes, probably.
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[S1] But you seem to just be, you're, you're, your mental strength and, you know, commitment to just doing what's right for you. I don't want to say right or wrong. [S2] I am a huge believer in low self-esteem. [S1] What? Okay. If we're just... [S2] What that means is when you have low self-esteem, you don't think you're the smartest person in the room.
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[S1] Ah. [S2] When I was on the Tonight Show, I hired the best director, I hired the best town, uh, coordinators, the best producers, the lighting guy. I let 'em do their job. I never said, "Well, I know a little bit more about lighting this." [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I, I, you know, I just let people do their job. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And anybody on the Tonight Show, when I was there, could pull the cord and stop the train.
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[S1] ... stuff where people don't care if the show goes down, as long as you lose it. They don't care about losing their job, as long as you get screwed. I mean, I see so many people, people are so angry and mad, you know? And the idea of you just let people do their job, don't admonish people in public. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You pull them aside and go, "Hey, you know, this is, uh, what's this about?" But low self-esteem is good, 'cause you don't spe- If you don't-
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[S1] If you're not sure about the answer, you're not going to say something stupid. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, so you just let people do it, you know? I mean, a classic example is like the Kathleen Crossby story. Bush and- I'll call. I'll get Kathleen's number. [S2] You'll have to do it. [S1] Yeah, that's what I mean. [S2] I'll get it done. [S1] I mean, that could, that could have been something. It turned into a funny story, but it could have been, "Oh, I was pissed I called the wrong person." But, you know, you see the humor in it and you have fun with it, you know? [S2] Are you still doing the car show? [S1] Oh, yeah, yeah. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Jay Little's Garage. [S2] And Jay Little's Garage
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[S1] ... right now. I mean, what season are you in? [S2] It's the number one show on CNBC. Uh, we're in season seven of that. [S1] Season seven. I had a ball doing it. [S2] Yeah, we loved having you on. You were great. You were fun.
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[S1] ... your following into this space and have your following appreciate- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... what you love as well. So, thank you for that because I wouldn't have, I wouldn't have known if that door existed- [S2] Well, that is true. [S1] ... if it wasn't for you and your car show. That's been, I mean- [S2] Well, we enjoyed having you. Anytime you want to be on again, you let us know.
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[S1] Well, don't ask, don't threaten me with a good time, but it's tough. It's going to be me and all my guys. So I'm just going to ask you for, uh, a little more camera time because I got five guys that's going to be there with me. [S2] Yeah, sure. [S1] And, uh, you know, I'm not going to say it's going to be the easiest show for you 'cause, uh, they don't listen and, you know, it's, uh, it's tough. [S2] Yeah. [S1] But it'll be well. We'll have a good time, I promise. [S2] But they make the best burgers and fries. [S1] Well, yeah. [S2] Five guys. [S1] Five guys. [S2] Yeah, yeah. [S1] Five. [S2] Is that, I'm sorry, what were you talking about? Oh, I'm sorry. I thought we were going to get a bite to eat and then-
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[S1] God damn Jay Leno. [S2] Sorry. [S1] Jay, uh, in conclusion. [S2] A ketchup only? [S1] Before we wrap up. [S2] No cheese. [S1] The king of zingers. The king of punchline. [S2] Zingers? [S1] Zingers, man. [S2] I'm Jewish now? [S1] No. [S2] The king of zingers. [S1] Zingers. The king of zingers. [S2] Yeah. [S1] The punchline king himself, man. Jay Leno. Jay, I mean what I'm about to say, man. You are a, a dope guy. Like, you've always welcomed me with open arms. [S2] Well, I'm,
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[S1] People like yourself. I like people that started after I kind of made it and then came along and passed me and went on to do other great things. And it, it's great. I really enjoy it. I mean, I, I take great pleasure in that. It's fun. [S2] I- [S1] And I like to think, "Oh, you know, I, I knew him when." And it, and it, and it, and it's true. [S2] Well, you're- [S1] I enjoy your success as much as you do.
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[S1] Your, your welcoming and open arms. It, it meant a lot. [S2] Yeah, again, with the touching thing. That was that- [S1] It's not touching, Jay. [S2] It's one incident. [S1] Okay, guys, I'm talking about coming on the show. You didn't have to let me come on the show, but when you did, uh, it meant a lot. And then you continue to let me come on. [S2] Right. [S1] And then through the years and over the times- [S2] But if I didn't put you on this show, you were gonna go to the police, and of course that would have been another whole problem. [S1] [LAUGHS] Ladies and gentlemen, Jay Leno. It doesn't get goddamn better. It definitely doesn't get bigger.
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[S1] Guys, we got quite the doozy today. Why do I say that? Well, because that's what these shows are. They're doozies, because our guests are amazing, and today's show will be no different. My guest, well, she's a Grammy-nominated Billboard and MTV Video Music Award-winning recording artist and actress. She's what I like to call a triple threat. I'm honored to have her here today. Meeting her for what I would call my first time, which makes it more exciting, Miley Cyrus. [S2] Hey. [S1] How are you? [S2] What's up, Kevin Hart? [S1] How are you? Oh, Kevin Hart, I'm a- [S2] Full names. [S1] Full name.
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[S1] That's your specialty? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Well, then that's what this is. This is us having a conversation for the first time. We're doing it here. And this is a pun that's intended. We're going to have ourselves a heart-to-heart. [S2] Hey. [S1] Huh? Did you, did you zoom in? When I said that, that was a perfect, I said, we're going to have a heart-to-heart, and I did this. Hopefully you caught that. Uh, Molly, I also believe in drinking wine. I think conversations get much better, uh, when wine is involved. So- [S2] I like it. [S1] ... I hope that you like wine. [S2] Yes, please. [S1] ... 'cause that's what we do here. Yes, please?
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[S1] ... 'cause you want a drink, I'd uh- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Uh, Miley, where do we start? First of all, I guess I gotta give you flowers first. A tremendous amount of respect for you and your success. [S2] Thank you. [S1] Your story, where you've come from, where you now are. I bow down to people in the entertainment business that have done so much and continue to do. I know it's a, a hard task. It's not one that's easy. [S2] Yeah, and you know, I think- Oh, fuck, I forgot I might have my diet. [S1] You got that comfortable already. [S2] That's okay, yeah. [S1] You got- You are comfortable. [S2] This is-
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[S1] This is what achieved it. [S2] Already. [S1] I am. Do you know, I took one sip of wine and I took my jacket off. [S2] Yes. [S1] I'm known for a lot of things. My class isn't always one of them. [S2] Well, we will get into it, and I don't agree. It is one of them. It has to be one of them because- [S1] Self-deprecation is also one of my things. You know what I mean? [S2] That's my- [S1] I got, I got, I got some class. [S2] I, I- [S1] But I also like to put on a show. I know what people like to see. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I know what they don't like to see. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then they like to talk about it for a long period of time. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And so that sometimes works for my advantage also.
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[S1] Well, it's kind of a funny story. I got cast for Hannah Montana as I was 12. So a couple of girls that I knew that were on, you know, going to school with me and we were on the same cheerleading team. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] They were going to LA to audition for Disney. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I begged my mom to let me go with them. [S2] Okay. [S1] So I went across the country. My mom actually wouldn't fly. My mom was terrified of flying, so we drove for three days from Nashville to California. [S2] You and, you and your friends?
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[S1] My mom, my grandma. So, well, here's the story. So they went, I went with them. I ended up getting called back. None of them got called back. [S2] Oh, wow. [S1] So they weren't super stoked that I went along with it too. [S2] Did that, did that affect your friendship?
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[S1] Just, I don't think I fit in, in the small town that I was in. [S2] Okay. [S1] And so, it did affect my friendships, but I think that was kind of inevitable, that I was gonna kind of outgrow my town at some point, especially just because of my political views or my religious views and, um, yeah, kind of being, my, my granddad was a Democratic state legislator, so we were always kind of like very outspoken. Um, and so, yeah, it did kind of affect my friendship. [S2] What's the, what's the town? You say small town. [S1] Nashville.
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[S1] I don't have a lot of, um, I don't have a lot of hate in my heart for kind of anything. [S2] I love that. Mm-hmm. [S1] Hate in my heart.
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[S1] But yeah, so my friends took me to California. I auditioned, I got called back. My mom wouldn't fly, so we drove, um, and I went back to California again, did another audition. I got another call back. [S2] You, you drove twice. [S1] I've driven from Nashville to California so many times 'cause of my mother. [S2] How- [S1] And I have five brothers and sisters, so we'd all pile in the car with all of our dogs, um, except I loved with my grandma.
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[S1] who I have tattooed on my arm, ran my fan club out of my little kitchen of my dressing room my entire childhood, signed every picture. Unless she liked the picture of me, then she kept it and framed it and put it in her house. [S2] So, here, here's the question, right? And this is, this is the part where I'm more curious than anything. You know, you, you say there's a lot of back and forth, uh, with you with the callbacks and stuff. You get the part for the show. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] The show ends up becoming a hit and success that it is. [S1] Well, actually,
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[S1] They hired someone else. They didn't hire me because, so I got called back, called back, called back, and then they said I was too small, too young. I had, I literally had like four teeth. I'm from Nashville, that's like kind of a normal thing, but I really only had four teeth, and on those four teeth were braces. And I remember coming back for the call back. Somehow I lost, like- [S2] I mean, give me a real number of teeth. Like- [S1] Dude. [S2] Give me a real number, Mara. [S1] I don't know if you've put up-
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[S1] I don't know if you've put up pictures in this show. When I show you a picture, I had four teeth, and the four teeth I did have had braces on them. [S2] Okay. All right. [S1] But I don't know if you've ever seen clear braces. Don't do it because they just look nasty. And my mom was like, "We have to get the clear ones because you're doing all these callbacks and no one wants to see Hannah Montana with big brackets on her teeth." So she got me the clear ones, but they were disgusting. After all, those Pepsi's with my grandma, they were like brown. And so then I showed up
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[S1] Uh, probably like ten, ten and a half, and I booked it when I was 12. So between two years- [S2] Two years of auditioning? [S1] Two years of auditioning. [S2] My, are you kidding? [S1] And not getting the part. And then they showed it to these, you know, they showed it to kids. They'll do those, like, kind of screenings and see if people are resonating and relating to the characters. [S2] So the show was in development for two and a half years?
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[S1] ... to humiliate kids at school anymore. There was like a glass room- [S2] No, you're not, you're not supposed to. [S1] ... where there was like in-school suspension. And I was, I held the record to be the youngest child to ever get suspended in my school. Dun, dun, dun, dun. [S2] Uh-huh. And by the way, are you proud? [S1] Yeah.
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[S1] ... to just acknowledge, "You're right." You know? Kevin just appreciated that you worked really hard and that means a lot. And then also, on top of that, the, like, miraculous truth that my family, out of all the families that I could've come from the heavens- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... and been a part of, is the one that I have. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And it happens to be a dad who,
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[S1] You could possibly be picked from the gate. When you first talk to me and you talk to me about a small town, you're talking about a farm, and you're talking about I outgrew. It was, it was already a thing. It was, it just wasn't for me. I was, it was in you from the beginning. Whether you, whether you felt it or not, I wish I could sit up here and say, I didn't have star-like qualities as a child. I'm not being cocky. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But I'm telling you, as a young kid, I had it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I had it.
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[S1] they, the writers thought it made most sense for Hannah to be Miley because of how much I truly was the character. [S2] Wow. [S1] And it didn't really feel like a character. I just said, okay, someone told me I'm Hannah Montana. I am now Hannah Montana, and anything that I create for her, I am in. [S2] You're in, 100%. [S1] It's like, it's beyond method because I was growing up as her, she was me. Like, there was no divide between us. That's who I was.
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[S1] There was a 15 year anniversary. And this was 15 years of my show being on air. And I spent the day- [S2] Wow. [S1] ... Thinking,
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[S1] What do I want to do with my next 15 years? That was what I dedicated my day to. And usually I would feel I wasn't doing enough if I wasn't, you know, talking with the fans, creating... But I thought, "This day is, like, bigger than... It is a birthday almost to me." And, like, I really feel... We were talking about spirituality, that I needed to... On that day, I wrote a letter to Hannah Montana from myself. [S2] Holy shit. [S1] And it was about, you know, just my gratitude towards the character. [S2] Well,
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[S1] What, was it suggested, or is this something that you, you came up with and you did? [S2] No, I thought about it. I, um, I, I- [S1] That's strong. [S2] I don't think anyone really could have told me to do it because a lot of the people that are around me now were not in that three day car ride with me and my mom. [S1] That's strong. [S2] You know, that was like, it was just, yeah. So now, so now when I wrote this letter and I was able to kind of like
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[S1] make peace with it, um, I thought, and peace being the kinda key word of this story, is that when I thought, "What do I want the next 15 years? What's my- 'Cause I knew when I was in that car driving the three days to California what I wanted, I guess, these next 15 years to look like. I knew what I wanted, so I was able to achieve it because everything that I did, I would know for a fact if I was taking a step forward or backwards because I knew my destination. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I think, you know,
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[S1] innocent self that still lives because actually when I looked at that schedule, it upset me because I felt that it wasn't really considering my best interest. I don't think anyone did anything to ever intentionally, you know, abuse me as a child to work because I wanted to do it. But the schedule now, if you would look at this for one of your own children, I think you would be kind of in shock. [S2] It's insane. [S1] Yeah, I think it was- [S2] The hours, the work. [S1] It was shocking.
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[S1] That this is why I'm who I am and that everyone else around me, if you don't work this hard, you're never gonna... It was the Will Smith, you know? If you don't look at this schedule and know that this is what it takes, you're never... My, instead of knowing that, "Oh, it's, I'm act... " That wasn't a place of, it, of the ego. It was actually a place of, like, hurt. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And, like, I guess as a child, that made me,
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[S1] Studios, producers, networks, right? Hearing a, a real talk, a real conversation, a real back and forth, and now hearing what the impact of said thing, said workload. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? On young adult at whatever time in their life. Oh, wow. We, we, we can do better. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? Like you're, you're, this conversation now,
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[S1] puts the pressure on those people that are in charge at those times and those places to understand we can do better. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] We can be more mindful, right? And at a time where, like you said, it may not be malicious. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] It's not, you know, done with ill will. Everybody's trying to hustle because- [S2] Yeah. [S1] Everybody's trying to work to get this thing and everybody's goal is- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... the thing and it's gotta work and this is how we gotta do to get it, which is fine. I'm not disregarding that. I'm saying that you're, you're
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[S1] You're bringing up something that ultimately makes people have to be more aware. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? And it couldn't be a better time because it's what's, it's what's happening now. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] If you look at the now,
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[S1] Now is all about people becoming more aware. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Aware of your words, aware of the impact that your words may have, aware of acceptance, aware of equality, aware of, you know, difference within people and understanding and, and, you know, compassion. [S2] And there's room for rest. There's room for self. There's room for mind, rest.
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[S1] Whatever it may be. [S2] 'Cause what we're talking about relates to everyone. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Everybody works so hard to maintain a lifestyle and take care of themselves and their families. [S1] Absolutely. Regardless of what you do. [S2] Everyone works so hard that if we pivot this to like, f- to the importance of creativity, to the importance of family time, I think, you know, it's been probably one of the greatest things that happened to us, but also one of the worst. It's been detrimental, I think, to have our cell phones,
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[S1] ... that height of pressure. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] If you, if you value, you know, family time, if you value Sundays, if you, then you must not want it enough. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And you're not worthy of this job, and you're not worthy of this success, and so we're gonna give it to someone else who's willing to run on zero and to not have a quality of life, but they're, I can't be that person anymore.
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[S1] almost push record on moments that you want to remember because I don't remember. And I was only probably 17 or 18, but I had said, "I want you to remember this." [S2] Wow. [S1] Like you got, you know, speaking of people like Will Smith, all these people coming to watch this 3D movie of this kid who was just putting videos on YouTube two years ago. And I didn't know how, where his career was gonna go or how long it was gonna last. I didn't know the same thing about my own.
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[S1] And I just said, "I just want you to remember." So, like, if you can try to record moments like this in your head or write them down and, like, take a moment to inhale and, like, know what this theater smells like right now. Just remember. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Because I cannot remember. [S2] I got a blur. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I got a, I got a heavy blur. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Of some periods. I remember big moments. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] But I got a blur of some in-between. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] And
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