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[S1] At this point, are all first digits coming in? [S2] They come in- [S1] They come in. Okay. [S2] ... in pretty, you know, pretty regularly. Um, but, you know, I still wanted to do stuff that was, you know, not, not, you know, just the normal hood movie. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Um, because there was so many coming out, you know? It was like, it was like from colors to, you know, Boys in the Hood to- [S1] That was the thing back then. [S2] ... Men's Society, the South Central. It was like,
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[S1] But that's why I wrote Friday. [S2] Oh. [S1] I wrote Friday because me and Poo was looking in... We would look at these movies and be like, "Damn, was it that bad growing up around here?" 'Cause it seemed like it was terrible. Like War Zone. [S2] Was it though? [S1] I mean, sometimes. But we had fun too. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So I wanted to show that. Like,
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[S1] Let's show how we looked at this stuff, how we approached it, how we, uh, cope with it, you know, and laughed at things that I guess would make most people cry, you know? So we just figured out, like, we gonna do a movie that's- [S2] That people are gonna watch. [S1] That's not like South Central, that's not like Menace. We're gonna have fun with it. [S2] Cube Vision is born, right? [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Your- [S1] Cube Vision isn't born until '99, so this is '95.
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[S1] What, what is it that birthed Cube Vision? [S2] Um, me just stepping off from the producers I was with into my own thing. [S1] And birthed your own. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] ... realizing that you could just do your own, create your own, assemble your own. [S2] Yeah. [S1] I don't think people understand how buttoned up and bottled up you are. What you did that shocked me the most, when we were, we were, we were going through a table read, and after the table read, you had your notes, right? [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... on the script. You made your notes. And we show up on set for the first day of shooting. You pull out your phone. In your notes, you said, "No, here I want glasses on."
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[S1] Down here is when I'm gonna put 'em, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a take 'em off. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then later on, when we get here, the scenes, I'm a take 'em back off because it's better for me. You had a breakdown of wardrobe, of glasses, of how you wanna move. No, it's best for me here. I should have badge materials. Like, you were so dialed in- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... from costume, the props, from everything else. And that's when I was like, "Oh, my God." Like, I, I've never looked at a script like that. I, and at this point, I'm some movies in. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] I didn't know to look at a script like that. I didn't know to approach material with that type of energy, with that type of effort. You're the first person to show me that there's more to the character, to breaking down the character. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Your guy was dialed in, and that, it honestly blew me away, 'cause that's the last thing I expected from Ice-Q.
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[S1] So, Q Vision. Q Vision now is rolling. You rolling. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You're now producing movies left and right, back to back. At this point, you found a way to say, "Okay, I got music over here, but I also can do this, and I can do this at a high level as well." Right? [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] That, to me, that's where you become interesting because after meeting you, I expected one thing. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, I've heard stories. I didn't know what to expect. But after you and I worked together- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... I'm on set, the biggest thing for me was I'm working with a guy who's responsible for making some of the best classics ever.
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[S1] Now I get to stand beside him over the big screen. Kev, come with your A-game. Make sure you know your shit. Like, let's be prepared. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I'm listening to you guys talk about the things that were necessary to our movie. I kept saying, "Oh, dude, I'm a student, and I'm happy with being a student. I'm, I'm happy with sitting back." That was, that was the biggest mind blow, 'cause I'm expecting Cube to show up
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[S1] You know? [S2] But, you know, I learned some things from you about, um, taking care of your, your audience. You know what I mean? You, you know, you, you showed me a lot, uh, when it comes to social media and, and what you really need to do. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Um, I've, I've always been impressed by how you have, um,
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[S1] Our, our ride-along promoter cube was fun. We shut down, we shut down South Street in Philadelphia. [S2] Yep. [S1] To my audience. We were giving out cheese steaks. We, we, we did a stunt where we were giving out cheese steaks. I believe it was Pat's on South Street. And I say, "Yo, I'm just gonna blast it." And say, "We're gone." [S2] Yeah, it was a- it was crazy.
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[S1] ... It was a, it was crazy. [S2] I'm gonna do a social media blast and say we going. It's gonna be crazy, Q. [S1] Yeah. [S2] 'Cause it's Philly. That's where I'm from. But if it work, it's gonna be huge. When I tell you, me and Q had so many damn people in the streets of Philadelphia. [S1] Yeah. [S2] And we was in the back. We in the back, passing out to you. But having a blast. [S1] Having a blast. [S2] We made the most out of the tidal ride-along. [S1] Yeah. [S2] We made the most out of it. [S1] We did. We did.
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[S1] Uh, I gotta tell you what else I'm envious of, man, that I can only hope to experience in some type of way, you know, as I get older. I got four kids now. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? And of course you wonder what your kids are gonna do, how your kids are gonna grow up. What, what are they gonna wanna do with their careers, their lives, etc. Uh, O'Shea, man. [S2] Oh, man. [S1] O'Shea, like, you know. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] And knock the roll out the park, man. I mean- [S2] It's crazy. [S1] I mean, Q, what, what does that feel like? What, what is that- [S2] Um- [S1] What is that... Give me a, a clear description of how that makes you feel. [S2] I mean, you know, like, you done walked out one time, you felt like your balls was like- [S1] Huge. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah. Yeah. [S2] That's what it felt like. [LAUGHS] It felt like, you know, like-
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[S1] I got basketballs right now. Hold on. [S2] This is, this is... [S1] And, and look, it's, it's so cool, you know, to have him.
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[S1] You know, be in the movie and do a great job and organically be the best person for the part. [S2] Mm. [S1] That, that's to me what I'm proud of is I got him ready, but he had to do it. He had to get the job. He had to have, you know, Donna Langley, you know, give the stamp of approval. Not me. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, and there was other actors.
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[S1] Look. [S2] That's a dream. [S1] They coming in here, they should be able to do they thing if they want to. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know what I'm saying? And they should walk into it like, "I'm second generation Hollywood." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know what I'm saying? I'm not new to this. I'm second gener- I told my son, "You're second generation Hollywood. Don't walk in there like no new booty." [S2] No, no, no, no. He's, he's, he's crushing. [S1] If the Barrymores can walk in there and be, you know what I mean? Fifth generation Hollywood, I mean, you, you starting it off.
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[S1] Uh, 40. E-40, I did. E-40. [S2] Approached you guys? [S1] He, he approached me. He called me and he was like, "You know what, Q? We should do a big ass group together." I said, "What you mean by big? Like, who else?" Like, he says, "Snoop and Short. Me, you, Snoop, and Short." And I'm like,
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[S1] Yeah, that's big, 'cause you got L.A., Bay, California sold up. [S2] It's huge. [S1] Legendary. We all been in the game over 25, 30 years. [S2] Huge. [S1] And we all got our own followings, and we, we did an incredible, I mean, we got like 50 tracks, so we got three albums worth of shit, you know? So, it was just, uh, the right thing to do at the right time, you know?
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[S1] Coming to the table, though, you know, you got some of the biggest careers ever. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You got, you got people who have been successful, who are successful, who know success. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You got a bunch of individuals who can say, "I know how to do this. I know how to get it done." Uh, you know, it's a lot of, it's a lot of alpha. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, at any point, at any point, is there a head-butting? At any point, is there, "No, we don't do it like that. We gotta do it like
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[S1] The Republicans need to help solve, and the Democrats need to help solve. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I didn't have a problem with speaking to them. I knew it would, I knew I would get backlash from it. And it was a lot of backlash, but at the end of the day, um, I think people were really upset because I didn't pick a side. Um, and I was, uh, you know, neutral. I'm still an independent. And, um, I didn't vote for any candidate.
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[S1] You know, I'm a big boy. I knew what was gonna happen. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But, you know, I, I, I don't put my trust behind any politician. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, I know politicians, you know, usually are servicing the people that got them elected, um, who spent the big bucks. So, uh, the key is to get them to, to make, uh, promises on the record.
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[S1] Well, I mean, look, you know, I'm definitely not gonna be one to have any conversation of negativity because I understand that it's not many that are taking the opportunity to input or implement action. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? You know, like you said, there's a lot of people that talk and then there's very few that do. So, uh, it just takes a lot to, to attempt anything.
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[S1] In this time. There's, there's a lot of backlash that comes with any effort or attempt. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Especially in the world of politics because it's divisive. You, you, there, there is no right. You know, everybody's going to find a wrong. You're always going to be in a conversation of opinion, uh, which makes it a tough space to be in. But for you to stand in that and be okay while standing in that and still saying, "I'm gonna continue to stand behind what I feel is not only my truth, but what's, what's best for,"
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[S1] Y'all, wait a minute, man. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Now, I don't, I don't smoke a Cuban. [S2] Yeah, man. [S1] If I did, which is the upper and which is the downer? [S2] Uh, both of them are how you... [S1] Yeah, not for me. I'm saying if I were to use it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So you're saying both of these are... [S2] Yeah, both are how you up. [S1] Both of these are pure, they're functional, right? [S2] Man, they do what they're supposed to do. [S1] Well, just when you think he's doing enough. [S2] Hey, man, you know... [S1] He show you that he, that he's got more. Ain't this... [S2] Look... [S1] Ain't this something? This called good day. [S2] I don't touch the stuff. Now, I don't touch the stuff. I don't touch
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[S1] Like- [S2] He goes up on stage, man. He tours. He just doesn't want to do TV no more. [S1] Oh, so that's not retiring. [S2] He does it at his, at, at his leisure. Right? [S1] Like you do your movies at your leisure. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh. [S2] I guess maybe it's just me. Maybe, maybe it's just me. Nobody else, nobody else has a button. Nobody else has an in-game- [S1] For what? [S2] ... one. So se- 70 years old. [S1] Have you seen Morgan Freeman? [S2] I have seen Morgan Freeman. [S1] You know Morgan Freeman been acting since about 1942?
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[S1] Uh, dude, I appreciate you. I love you. I genuinely mean that. [S2] Love you too, man. [S1] A toast to you. [S2] A toast. [S1] Not only being my friend, but being a brother, but God damn it, being a role model, man. [S2] Yeah, yeah. [S1] I learned a lot from you. I continue to, uh, I'm only wishing you the best, man. And since you're not retiring, looking forward to doing Ride Alone five. [S2] We gonna do it, baby. Let's go. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] Let's go.
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[S1] Woo, another doozy. And what doozy? This one will be. Uh, comedy legend on the show today. Three-time Emmy winner and avid car collector. He hosted the number one late-night show for 22 years, and I'm lucky to have him with me tonight. Ladies and gentlemen, Jay Leno. [S2] I think what you took is called orange sunshine, okay? It's a- [S1] No, no. [S2] ... hallucinogenic from the 60s. [S1] No, Jay. [S2] What are you talking about? [S1] What do you mean, what am I talking about? That's a, that's an antidote. I give these life antidotes. I, I say- [S2] Here, I'll give you one.
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[S1] Here, I'll give you one. [S2] Okay. [S1] Behind every successful man, there's a woman. [S2] Okay. [S1] And behind every unsuccessful man, there are two women. [S2] Okay. That's a, yeah, that's good. Right there. Jay Leno, ladies and gentlemen. Jay Leno. What's up, man? [S1] Nothing. You called me. I'm in this underground bunker. We are, it's hard to believe we're 60 stories underground. This is amazing. In case of a nuclear attack. Is that why you're here? This is what you're done? [S2] I'm scared. I'm scared. [S1] That's elevator ride. It was seven minutes coming down here.
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[S1] Uh, let's talk, man. [S2] Okay. [S1] 22 years. [S2] Yeah. [S1] In your era, we did 4,631 shows. When, when you look back and you think about that, right? You still got the number in your head. 4,000 and something episodes. I mean, it's- [S2] Good retention. 4,631, right? [S1] 4,631, right?
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[S1] I mean, I could buy a house, I got married, and that was my, you know, say it on my, on my income tackle, I'm a comedian. Oh, well, that's, that's pretty good. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I didn't have to have another job, so I was always happy, you know? I, I never even asked for the job paid, I just did the job. And if you're any good, the money would come. That was always my attitude. 'Cause the same show I do for free is the same show you get paid. When you go down to the clubs, you get up and you screw around on stage, you're having as much fun as you do when you're playing a stadium. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] Probably more because- [S2] Absolutely.
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[S1] It's really loose and you can take your time. So to me, I was never concerned with that. I wasn't one of those, "Oh, I have to do this, I have to do that. I'll just see if it comes." I was probably one of the last guys to get The Tonight Show, the people I started with. I was 27 when I did that and I thought I was the oldest guy in the world ever to do the show. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] So, but then I realized, "No, that's not the case." But, you know, when you're starting out in comedy, days or weeks, weeks or months, months or years, and, you know, if they're coming to see you next Wednesday,
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[S1] for your audition, well, that five, six days leading up to that, you're like, "Oh, well, you, you're doing this, that over and over again." It seems like it's never gonna come, you know? So, so I can't say I would've been disappointed if I didn't get it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But I was certainly happy I did. [S2] My question to you is, you know, as, as I look back now, right, I think about how many times I've done your show. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I think about how our relationship has grown, and of course it's grown from me touching the platform and, and us having- [S1] Well, I don't think
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[S1] I don't think touching really played much of a role in our relationship, really. [S2] Okay. [S1] There wasn't a lot of touching. [S2] No, no, no touching. [S1] I don't want to give the impression that you got where you are by touching, okay? [S2] Yeah. [S1] Because that, that hurts you. [S2] Yes. [S1] Not me. They know I am. [S2] Thank you. Thank you. [S1] But you, you of course would be the one who, yeah. [S2] Yeah, thank you for clearing that up. [S1] Yeah, yeah. I don't want people to think that your touching had anything to do with you getting ahead. I mean, it may have, I don't, what I'm saying is, I don't know. [S2] Yeah, not from you. [S1] I don't know. [S2] It didn't, it didn't happen, or are you? [S1] Right, it didn't happen to me.
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[S1] ... chance, it could have gone the other way. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] But I think we each left with something, and that's good. It wasn't like either one of us got totally humiliated and- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... driven out of the game. So that was okay. [S2] Do you feel that the times today, did they play any part as well in your departure? Like with this social media growing at the, at the pace that it was? [S1] You know something, Lee? Here are the rules. [S2] Okay.
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[S1] Okay. The rules change. Either you, you change with the rules or you die. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know, I, I equate this to in the 70s, in the automobile industry, all the American car manufacturers, "We can't meet these emission rules. Factories will close. We'll go out and lose." They spent millions throwing money at lobbyists in Washington, "Change the rules. Don't do this." And the Japanese walked in and said, "What are the rules?" [S2] Okay. [S1] "And what emissions would you like to meet?" [S2] Okay.
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[S1] All right, I take those out of my act, I don't do them here. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I don't find that hard to do. People say, "Oh, you're a sellout." You're not a sellout. You're, you're, you have a customer. The customer is buying your service. If you don't want to do it, don't do it. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] Don't, don't take the job.
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[S1] ... as well. [S2] Any per, any performance has suffered. It's merely because you can't have an audience anymore. You have audiences like this and, you know. [S1] Yeah. Yeah. [S2] You know, it's, it's, uh, it's like, it's, I feel like I'm some, performing at somebody's front door and they're watching me through the letterbox, you know? And you know, can you, can you, 'cause you know, you look at people and if they're smiling, oh, you knew you were there. [S1] With the mask, it's tough. [S2] Yeah, I t- I give you- I was dating this girl once and she goes, "Well, my parents are coming to the show." I said, "Okay."
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[S1] So, her parents come to the show and they're sitting, like, right there. So, I'm on stage, "Blah, blah, blah," killing. I look over at him. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] [SINGS] Da, da, da, da, da, da, da. I think, "Okay, I'll do my parents stuff." Da, da, da, da, da, da, da. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And this guy, nothing. I'm thinking, "This guy doesn't crack a smile," you know?
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[S1] ... to wear clean. [S2] It is. [S1] You know, when I started, you had to wear clean. [S2] It is. [S1] It changed. I remember Rodney did a, an HBO special he hosted, and he fired a guy 'cause he wasn't dirty enough. [S2] Rodney Dainesford. [S1] Yeah, right. I said, "Hey, you're not dirty enough. You know, you gotta be dirty." And he was like, "Well, I thought I had to be clean." No, no, when you weren't dirty enough. I'll tell you a funny Rodney story. You'd like to hear it. [S2] Okay. By the way, your stories are always legendary. [S1] Okay. [S2] Hey, Rodney- [S1] I could do these stories all day.
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[S1] And Joan goes, "He moved, he moved." And, and he moved. And I, oh, and I felt so good that I made Rodney laugh, you know? And he didn't, he, he died soon after that, but, uh, I, I just remember that. I just remember he went, he went, he liked this 'cause he did hear the joke and I thought- [S2] Oh, the laugh. [S1] Yeah, and, and, yeah, it's about the laugh. And it was, yeah, it was really a tender moment and, uh, just one of those moments that really make, you tell that to some people, "Oh, how horrible." But comics understand what it is. [S2] No, comic, we talk, you know, it's, it's- [S1] Yeah, yeah.
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[S1] ... that you've ever seen. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I'm talking Rich Vos, Colin Quinn, Jim Norton, Bill Burr, myself, Keith Robinson. I mean, you, you, you name it. You, by Robert Kelly, uh, I mean, the list goes on and on. But comics were coming up and giving their best 15 minute sets but involving Patrice. [S2] Right. [S1] And it really made you understand we speak a language of our own. [S2] Right. [S1] Right? And, and that language that we speak always-
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[S1] ... it always involves the laugh. There's nothing more important than the laugh. [S2] Oh, yeah. [S1] And that's, that's what we always want. And, you know, I think sometimes it's hard for people today to understand that a comic needs no real harm. [S2] Yeah. [S1] It's going after the laugh, and in doing so- [S2] Right.
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[S1] Oh, Kevin Rooney, uh- [S2] Wow. [S1] Uh, oh, they're just so many. Uh, well, Seinfeld, Sir, we all started out the- You know, when we started, all the comics would come to one another's Tonight Show. You know, people think it's like this horrible cut-throat business, but other comics will always get you more work than any agent. You know, Steve Martin brought Johnny in to see me. [S2] Wow. [S1] And- and Harvey Kauman brought Johnny in to see me again. And, uh, you know, I brought, uh, Johnny in to see, um, uh, Ellen DeGeneres, and- and- and we all helped one another. [S2] So-
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