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[S1] ... that you wanted to make it for. [S2] Yes, for the reason, then, then my, the world changed within my career. Like you said, you're doing movies based off of the project. [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] Based off of the talent. [S1] Right. [S2] Based off of- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... you know, the opportunity, not the finances. [S1] Yeah. [S2] But I can't honestly sit up here and say that I'm on par like you were because I, I didn't have the luxury. But I love- [S1] Yeah. [S2] ... what you said.
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[S1] But also, it's still the intention. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] So, like, the intention. There's a lot of people who make decisions based off of how much money and how much fame they think a part's gonna get, bring them. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] People, people who wanna be rich and famous as an actor, get rich and famous. That's not always a good thing. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] [LAUGHS] You know what I mean? Like, if that's your, that's your goal, then when you hit that peak, I am sorry.
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[S1] There is, that peak is a, that's, that's basically a thin line. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And the next step you take is off the other side, you know?
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[S1] I said a joke in my last special. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I meant it. I was like, you know, I was referencing people of today. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And with social media, et cetera. And I was like, "You guys, you fucked up fame." [S2] Yeah. [S1] Like, like, you know, at one point it was- [S2] Valuable. [S1] Yeah, it was a thing. It was, it was a-
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[S1] Well, reality TV f- [S2] It's not really the same. [S1] ... fucked it up first. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] Because re- reality TV actually gave people their 15 minutes of fame in mass. [S2] Yes. [S1] Right? So all of a sudden, there was like a hundred people who were getting their 15 minutes. [S2] Yes. [S1] And they were all over the place. And then they pushed out everybody else who had, you know- [S2] It's weird. Here, here's what it is. It's weird. [S1] And devalued it. [S2] Here's, I was, I was saying this, right? So that we are,
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[S1] It, it was such a volume of it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Because it came to it. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And that volume of it, it produced your, like you said, people that got the 15 minutes. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And within that, well, then social media continued to rise, and there were other people that were getting hot there, and it produced 15 minutes. So now, the conversation of this thing was now being merged. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Right? It's everybody somehow
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[S1] So I don't really need to- [S2] Do that. [S1] ... to do it. [S2] Yeah. [S1] You know what I mean? [S2] Yeah. [S1] So, I mean, I do. I do a little of it, you know? Um, but I'm literally doing- [S2] I love it. [S1] ... the minimal. [S2] I love it, though. I love, I love the conversation. I love the dialogue. More importantly, I just love where you are in your life. [S1] Mm-hmm, okay. Thank you. [S2] Question.
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[S1] Question for you. [S2] Sure. [S1] Okay. As we approach the ending- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... I realize another thing. [S2] What's that? [S1] Well, I haven't seen Cameron Diaz, like, do an interview in forever. [S2] Yeah. [S1] So this is like, it's like the first interview that you've done- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... in a extremely long time. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Okay? I'm gonna take that. That's a, that's a big deal to me. [S2] Well, this is what happened. [S1] That's big.
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[S1] I'll do it. You know why? Because I don't have to do fuck all. [S2] That's right. [S1] And I only have to do what I want to do, and I wanted to do this. [S2] I'm going to tell you something else, and I'm going to be very honest. Are you ready for this? [S1] Mm-hmm. [S2] I'm a little tipsy. [S1] [LAUGHS] [S2] I'm just going to be honest here. I'm going to be very honest. [S1] Are you? You did really great. [S2] No, no, no. Remember how big this glass was? [S1] That was a really deep pour. [S2] It was a really big glass, right? It was a big- [S1] And I was like, "This is how much it was." [S2] No, no, no. [S1] Right here.
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[S1] But more than two, but my two. Bad wine, I can get like, ugh, like it's like a kind of fog. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Like, ugh, it was too much of that and I'm just like, I'm done, right? Good wine, I feel tall. Right now- [S2] You- [S1] I don't know if you guys are picking up, but I'm laying down. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I feel like my posture's gotten better. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Right? My, my speech, I don't know, am I speaking French? [S2] Yeah, I can- You-
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[S1] and I don't know about it. [S2] I don't know, man. And, you know, listen, that's the consequence of doing this show how I do it. There's no prep. [S1] That's right. [S2] There's no prep, Jimmy. [S1] Yes, you rely on Wikipedia, and that's where things go south. [S2] I'm joking. Uh, it should be three, though. It said two. [S1] It's okay. It's fine. It's- [S2] I can tell it's not, though. [S1] Yeah, no, it's fine. It's- it's okay. I- [S2] Nah, it's not. [S1] I'll get over it. [S2] It's not. I can tell it's not. [S1] Why are all the wine bottles empty? What's going on? Are you not- Do you not trust your staff? Is that what's happening here? [S2] We- we have a problem here at Heart to Heart. [S1] You do, yeah.
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[S1] ... heart to heart. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yes, we, we- [S2] Can I tell you, I have that, you know, you know, in the back of my show where the music is and they have that bar set up, all the bottles are full of colored water because our staff was getting drunk in the day. [S1] While, while taping the show. [S2] While taping the show, yeah. [S1] Well, that's a good time. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That's why I had such a good time every time I came on. That's exactly what it was. [S2] [LAUGHS] Maybe that's what it was. [S1] The staff was always amazing, by the way. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Jimmy, I like wine. Do you want to have a glass of wine? [S2] I like wine too, yeah. [S1] Okay, I got a some. I have a some, some of your, some of your- [S2] Is, did you shorten it to-
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[S1] Ying and yang, a good back and forth. [S2] All right. [S1] Um, let's go to before the talk show. Before you get there, let's go back to the early days, right? Um, from my understanding, you started off, and this is without radio, I mean, this is not, like, true research, but radio, what'd you think? [S2] Yeah, it was a dish jockey, yeah. [S1] A dish jockey for how long? [S2] 12 years. Uh, professionally, 12 years, and then for free, I did it for about five years before that. [S1] Coming out, but coming out of college, that was the want,
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[S1] was bad. I mean, it was, I was, I was like- [S2] It made you bad stuff. [S1] I was like a mannequin. And, um, I just wanted to be on the radio. And it just so happened that I was on the radio in LA at K-Rock, and people who had TV shows would hear me, and then I'd get a call every once in a while saying, "Hey, will you come audition for this or host this for us?" And whatever. And that's, that's how it happened. [S2] That's how it happened. So, so how many places did you springboard from then? You, like, you just said Seattle. [S1] I went from Vegas- [S2] Where were the different places to-
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[S1] biggest and best radio station in the country, really. I was very fortunate because I was working in Tucson and things, I knew I was going to get fired there, and things were headed in that direction. You, after a while, you start to recognize the pattern. [S2] Yeah, you can sense it. Oh, here it comes. [S1] They stop yelling at you. That's what happens. Like, they stop yell- Like, all of a sudden you're like, "Huh, I haven't been dragged in the office in a while." [S2] Hm. [S1] And, and so they stopped yelling at me and I knew what was happening. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And I also, like, I knew the program director. He's a guy I'd worked with at another radio station.
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[S1] Uh, I just went home and basically started packing. In fact, I moved to LA without officially being offered the job, and I showed up at the radio, so I'm like, "I moved here." And they're like, "You did?" [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] I said, "Yeah, I'm here." Uh, you know, and they said, "Uh, okay, well, um, we gotta figure this out." And then, luckily, we figured it out. [S2] How long did it take? [S1] Uh, it took about three weeks, so, three very nerve-wracking weeks.
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[S1] Ben Stein was. Ben and I, in a conference room, did a rehearsal together and we had good chemistry and, and that was that. We were on Comedy Central. [S2] So how long are you on, how long are you doing this show? [S1] I did that show for, um, I think five seasons. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then, um, Adam Carolla and I came up with an idea for the Man show. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Originally, the show was sold to ABC, if you can imagine that. [S2] It doesn't seem like it would have lived there. [S1] No.
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[S1] And it didn't. And in fact, we made the pilot and they were mortified. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] But no one ever told us. Up until, you know how it works with the upfront? This happened to you once, I remember this. They don't tell you 'till like the night before whether your show got picked up or not. [S2] I mean, do you, you do know my story. [S1] I was in the middle of your story. [S2] Oh my God. [S1] I was hosting the upfronts when they were trying to decide whether or not to put your show on the air. [S2] Are you, are you serious? [S1] I'm totally serious. [S2] So,
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[S1] For everybody watching, what me and Jimmy are now talking about is, there's a legendary story attached to my name of how my TV show, The Big House, got canceled. [S2] Right. [S1] And, which was a large opportunity for me. As a matter of fact, Jimmy, I came on your show to promote. I remember my biggest thing that I did on the Jimmy Kimmel Show, I like put my feet up on the table. But it was like, I had like a confidence or whatever, but it was after I'd been through so much.
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[S1] I'll tell you one thing. They were, they were split on whether they were going to pick your show up. It wasn't a consensus. No one at ABC planned to pick our show up. There was no chance. They knew months beforehand that it was not going to get picked up. [S2] And they just had you down there. [S1] But then it turned out after we made the pilot, a bunch of cable networks wanted to put it on. [S2] And, and then at the... [S1] Comedy Central, well, they said it will give you 22 episodes. Well, you know, whatever and whatever. We're like, okay, I guess so.
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[S1] At the height, how big was the Man Show? [S2] It was pretty big. It was, you know, when you look at the ratings, it's like, you know, compare it now, it would be the number one show on television. But, you know, uh, it was pretty popular. Only South Park, I think, was more popular. [S1] No, you guys were, were so strong, so strong back then. Now, of course, in the times, that mean the Man Show could have never lived within our time. [S2] Not on a commercial network, probably. Yeah, but I think it, I think there's definitely an appetite for that,
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[S1] Yeah, yeah, there was. I think it was weirdly, if I had to like isolate it, we made this video, um, I'm fucking Matt Damon, which became a big viral video. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And it changed, it changed a lot. It, it really changed the show because suddenly celebrities wanted to be on it.
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[S1] And the show was live, and it was just a mess. And we had, sometimes we had really, we were really scraping the bottom of the barrel when it came to stars. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] We'd have like the sixth most interesting person on, on Joe Millionaire or something, you know? Not even Joe. We were like, "All right, if we have him, can we maybe get Joe?" [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] They're like, "Well, Joe's doing Leno. Joe's, uh, Joe's not available, but, um..." [S2] [LAUGHS]
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[S1] Um, I started doing it all the time as just, you know, uh, just how I closed the show. [S2] I'm laughing. Here, here's why I'm laughing, all right? There's no way, there's no way not to be aware. Like when you say, "Yeah, we were kinda scraping the bottom of the barrel." Like, you know, when you're looking, you're looking at your guests and you're like, "Oh, man. All right, well, this is what we got." [S1] Who's this? [S2] Yeah. [S1] And then they're looking at their booking at my show and going, "Who's this?" [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] I had him sucking helium out of a balloon and talking like he used to. And, um, one night we had Allie Landry, the Doritos girl on the show. Do you remember her? [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And Mike was so taken by her, he was like, he was crazed. He was in a, just a sexual frenzy. [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] And I, I remember thinking like, "Oh, no." I was-
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[S1] One day, I have a little- [S2] I truly know that you're serious. [S1] I love Mike Tyson, and I genuinely do love him as a person. And, um, one day, uh, my son, I was shooting a Christmas song with Mike Tyson. We were singing, um, uh, "Sleigh bells ring," and the whole, the whole reason I did it is 'cause I wanted to hear him, uh, sing certain words in the song. I don't remember what it was. [S2] Who's coming up with the bits? Is this you and your team, or- [S1] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [S2] Okay. Got it. [S1] We came it up with it.
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[S1] ... go right ahead. And Mike sat down and, like, talked to my son, and I kinda stood in the back so I could overhear it. And he talked to him. My son was probably 10, 11 years old at the time. [S2] Wow. [S1] And he's like, "You know, I had problems in school, and- " [S2] Wow. [S1] ... but you really have to, you know, you have to try your hardest." And, like, he gave him this, like, this pep talk that I was just like, "Wow, we don't know this guy at all." [S2] Wow. [S1] I mean, people don't know who this person is. [S2] Wow. Did you still remember that?
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[S1] He does, yeah. He remembers it well. [S2] That's huge. [S1] Yeah. [S2] That's, that's, that's one of the perks that you don't know that comes with the trade.
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[S1] Or I, I look at it differently, like, oh, this is a, a, a good per- I mean, to be that, to be that thoughtful and to have that much empathy. And I will tell you this, and this, and I'm sure you've had this same experience, I would bet anything you have. There are certain people who are so much like you think they're going to be, you can't believe that either. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] And for me, the number one person, uh, is Oprah, because Oprah is,
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[S1] Super Oprah when you meet her. I mean, I, I spent, I mean, I spent my whole time on "The Man Show" making fun of Oprah. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] Um, my ex-wife used to watch Oprah every day and then yell at me when I got home for things the men on the show had done. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] I was like, "What is, why is Oprah torturing me?" [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And then, uh, after many years of being on the air, Oprah agreed to do the show. And not only did she agree to do the show, we shot some really funny comedy bits. And the shooting started at
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[S1] Like four o'clock in the morning. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And ended at like 11 o'clock that night. It was an all day thing. Oprah was in my bathtub. Oprah and I were fighting. I mean, it was like, it was a crazy multiple shoot day. And, um, someone like Oprah doesn't need to do this. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] And certainly doesn't need to be wonderful throughout. [S2] Absolutely. [S1] But at the end of the night, or at the time at which I would have said,
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[S1] What are you talk- She's coming. [S2] My wife's like, "We need to redecorate." [S1] Same thing. It was a, it was a big deal. We was like, "Yo, we gotta get stuff." Oprah's coming to the house. Oprah's coming. Oprah came to my house. There's a thing, there's a thing that some people have where it's almost as if they light up, right? Like certain people- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... light up. I don't know what it is. I can't describe it. [S2] There's an energy that, uh, there's a halo or something- [S1] Something. [S2] ... that comes out of them. [S1] Something
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[S1] ... this nice heartfelt conversation. She gave me like a, a good 15 minute conversation about, "You're young, you got an opportunity, you, you, you seize the moment." Like some, some shit that she didn't have to say. [S2] Right. [S1] And it stuck with me. And till this day, it stuck with me. Like, I remember my moment with Oprah. So I know exactly what you're talking about. [S2] Yeah. [S1] When you say her toast and how she singled it out because she doesn't have to take the time.
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[S1] I, I, I want to say something else, man. I just wanna, you know, take a second to give you your flowers. You know, while you're here, I'm, I'm in- [S2] Weed? [S1] ... person with you. Not weed. [S2] Oh. [S1] Not, not weed. But if you want weed- [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] ... I, I can hear it heart to heart. [S2] You have a sommelier for that too? [LAUGHS] [S1] I have a sommelier that can bring it in.
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[S1] Well, I appreciate that. [S2] Well, I'm, I'm- [S1] I think that we, you know, I think that I, I just, I know what's right and I know what's wrong. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And I, as I've, uh, I've become older and, and wiser, I guess, um, I just feel like I have no choice but to say what I believe to be true, even if it upsets,
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[S1] Um, if everybody would just try to understand each other. And by the way, I, I put myself in that category too. You know, try to understand these people that I make fun of or castigate or whatever. We, if we all did it a little more, it would help us because what a horrible place we're in now. [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] You know? We can't agree on anything.
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[S1] And also, I love talking to those guys because there are only like eight people that have our job, you know? Like, uh, I went to dinner one night with Seth Meyers and we just, we talked for like four hours straight and it was one of the best conversations I've ever had. [S2] That's a good dude though. [S1] Because we just motored through all of it. [S2] Seth is a good dude though. [S1] Yeah, for sure. [S2] I like Seth.
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[S1] I read every joke, I read every bit. [S2] Wow. [S1] I rewrite things, I send them back. And then, uh, from a two hour period, from 1:30 to 3:30, I revise the whole monologue and then, um, hand it to the teleprompter guy. And at, uh, 4:30, off we go. [S2] So, that's the world of work for Jimmy. [S1] Yeah. [S2] What's the world of being a father, a husband?
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[S1] Right, and then go with the number. [S2] Yeah, 20 seems like, 20 seems like a good, good amount of years. [S1] Yeah. [S2] You know, I mean, I, I don't know for sure what I'll do, but I get excited about things and I go, "Oh, yeah, I wanna do that too." And, um, I mean, I approach, uh, I know you probably can't identify this because you're not a glutton like I am. I approach it the same way I approach a meal. I go to a restaurant, I'm like, "Oh, I'd like to have all of these things. Maybe we'll get, get all of it and then we'll share it." And then sharing it means I eat 80% of it and everybody else behaves.
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[S1] I eat to make a turd. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Yeah, that's what I told you. I eat to make a turd. I have no, there is no fascination- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... that comes from my palate. I'm not like, "Oh my God, this blew me away. I gotta get more of this." I'm like, "Hmm, that was all right." [S2] In a lot of ways, that's great because you can, like sometimes I think like, you know, uh, I don't wanna get COVID, but losing my taste buds for a little while would be mean I could eat pretty healthy. Maybe I'll lose a few pounds, you know? [S1] That would've been death-
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[S1] That would have been detrimental to you. [S2] I know, it's stupid. [S1] If you had lost your taste buds, you would have lost your mind. [S2] Oh, yeah, long-term, for sure. [S1] Are you, are you, is there any want to ever, like, take on the true, the true world of chef? [S2] No, that's a lot of work. [S1] Really? [S2] You know, I, I, yeah. I mean, when I make dinner for people, I'll, I'll start, my back starts hurting and I go, like, "Oh, what did I do? What am I doing?" [S1] You told me there was, like, a little feeling, like, when you have to watch people eat the stuff. [S2] Yeah, right. [S1] You know, looking, just looking around to see. [S2] Watch people eat.
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[S1] My son Kinzo loves the book. [S2] He does, oh great. [S1] Loves, loves the story of the goose. And literally getting it from you, I was like, "Oh, that's dope." I said, "Babe, I'm gonna read it to him." So, when I see Jimmy, I can tell Jimmy I actually- [S2] [LAUGHS] Right. [S1] ... put the gift to use. My son loved it, man. [S2] Oh, good. [S1] I don't know, I don't know how you stumbled into that world. I don't know what the reason is. [S2] I-
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[S1] I did it to raise money for Children's Hospital in Los Angeles. [S2] Wow, okay. [S1] And, um, I also wanted to draw, to do all the illustrations. So I did the illustrations and wrote the book. [S2] You drew the goose? [S1] Yeah, I drew the goose. [S2] Okay, no, I did. [S1] I drew all the pictures. I did all the lettering. It, it took me forever. [S2] I have no idea. [S1] Yeah, that's, that's what I wanted to do before I, I got into radio. [S2] Yeah, see, this is what I'm talking about. [S1] Draw geese. [S2] This is the stuff that people don't know, man. The stuff that people don't know, that they would never know.
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[S1] Today's episode features a man, a myth, a legend, a rebel, a PK, a slang for preacher's kid. I'm talking about an actor, writer, director, producer, uh- [S2] Rapper. [S1] I wasn't going to put it in there, but if you want me to, rapper. Nick Cannon, ladies and gentlemen. [S2] Yeah. [S1] How are you, sir? [S2] Man, I want to hear that fake shit, man. I want- We ain't got time for all of that. [S1] Hey, man. [S2] Man, come on, man. [S1] Brother, welcome to my- This is my area, man. [S2] This is you? [S1] Yeah, this is my area. [S2] It's nice. [S1] You're my wine cellar. [S2] It's nice. It's-
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[S1] It's nice. It's suede and wood. [S2] You like that? Nick, I'm gonna drink some wine. Are you gonna have some wine? [S1] You know I don't drink, man, but I, whatever you tell me to do, man, I'll be- [S2] If you don't drink, I don't want you here to lose your mind on my account. [S1] I mean, I was like, whatever, man. I'm, I'm following you. [S2] I have a, I have a sommelier. [S1] What the fuck, dude, is that? [S2] Huh? [S1] Can we talk like we normally talk? [S2] After you address the fact that I have a sommelier. [S1] What, what is this? That's because I was gonna say, what the, is- [S2] You wanna know what it is, right? [S1] No. [S2] The, the, yeah. Hey, brother, how you doing, man? [S1] I don't know, I mean- [S2] I'm not- [S1] Mr. Hartley. [S2] Mr. Hartley. [S1] ... a sommelier. [S2] Nick-
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[S1] I'm not, I'm- [S2] You're not an adult like that, man. I don't know what this stuff tastes like. [S1] Brother, it's- [S2] You ain't got no Capri Suns? [S1] No, I ain't got no Capri Suns, man. [S2] All right. [S1] It's wine. Some of the best conversations in life happen over a glass of wine. [S2] I'm not at that level yet. [S1] But- [S2] My mama still drink box wine. [S1] Okay, well that's- [S2] [LAUGHS] That's, that's, that's my level of wine. [S1] But I just mean, that's-
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[S1] But that just mean, that just mean that you living where you supposed to live. Cheers, man. [S2] Yeah. [S1] To a great conversation. Great dialogue. [S2] Real conversation. [S1] No, Nick, fake. [S2] I mean, 'cause I don't know, like, how far, like, we talk every day. [S1] We talking, we're gonna talk how we talk. We're just giving people a chance to see it, that's all. [S2] I, we gonna talk like we really talk or we-
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[S1] out here doing it, and we got an opportunity, we should link up. I'm like, "Yeah, whatever." And literally, I learned so much from you in the stand-up game, 'cause you took it, like, uh, from that night, we would pull up and, whether we was going to the Comedy Union, all those different spots- [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] ... and I would just watch you work, man. And you had, you got, like, there's a East Coast comedy approach, and then there's a West Coast comedy approach. East Coast comedy approach, if you go up five, six- [S2] Grind. [S1] ... times a night, and all- [S2] It's seven, seven days a week.
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[S1] Where, where every young, this is, every young black actor in Hollywood at the time. [S2] Everybody. Rappers too. Everybody. [S1] Everybody. This was, this was the role of a lifetime for so many. And I remember when you got the part and there was no animosity. There was no, there was no ill will, like, "Damn, I can't believe I didn't get it. Damn, it went to Nick Cannon." [S2] [LAUGHS] [S1] Oh, like there was, it was like,
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[S1] Yeah, man. I, and it's funny, like, 'cause I don't like to think of it like that, 'cause you remember when we, is there when we started it. I mean, you was in the, uh, you did me the favor- [S2] In the beginning stages. [S1] [LAUGHS] Yeah, when we were, when, first of all, we should just be at places like the Comedy Union and different clubs, whether in the valley and stuff, and we'd just be talking shit, being silly like we, we always are. And I remember at some point there was like, "Yo, Nick, you on now. Won't you put some of us on?" I was like, "All right, well," rented out the Comedy Union, got some cameras together,
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[S1] Don't speak past that, 'cause that's a, that's a real important fact, man. [S2] Yeah. [S1] That, that most don't know. It was, it was a real, it was a real ask. [S2] Yeah. [S1] Uh, yo, man, you out gettin' it. [S2] [LAUGHS] Right. [S1] You out here gettin' it. Like, you got the real pressure. [S2] Right, right. [S1] I stayed away from the pressure. [S2] [LAUGHS] Right. [S1] I didn't, you, you, nobody saw me. I would, I would come in and I'm there for a minute. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And I'm out. You got the pressure. I don't even wanna call it pressure. Let's just call it an ask. [S2] We saw you from here as a kid with us and now you on. [S1] We know you. [S2] Right. [S1] You eatin'. [S2] Yeah.
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[S1] I don't like you eating, man. Come on, Nick. [S2] Well, we- [S1] Let us- [S2] Yeah. [S1] Let us eat too. [S2] Yeah. [S1] And you didn't just hear that and walk away from that. You- you responded. You was like, "All right. All right, cool." So this- this wilding out thing- [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... was then birthed, right? [S2] Yes. [S1] It was then birthed. Who- who was a part of the creative in the beginning stages of wilding out?
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[S1] You know, Uptown Comedy Club that we would see, uh, Apollo Comedy Hour, Comic View, Def Jam, all of those things, and all same type of people have worked on all of that stuff. So we're like, "Yo, let's just do what we do on some improv stuff, but mix some hip-hop in it." [S2] Mm-hmm. [S1] And at the time, I just knew I wanted to mix hip-hop and comedy and stand-up together and put my friends on.
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[S1] It turned into what it turned into. [S2] Yeah, yeah. [S1] It became the thing that MTV pushed the most. [S2] And then from there, you know, life, life just changed. We got, we started to get older and it was like, man, how long are we going to do this? And, you know, it was like, ooh, we did 10 episodes. Oh, we did 25. Oh, we doing, we did 50 episodes. And then from that point, it's like, okay, we've created this brand. And even when you look at it today, man, I think it's the longest running black comedy, urban comedy- [S1] Absolutely. [S2] ... in television history, just based off of how long we've been rocking. So- [S1] Quietly, though. [S2] Yeah, yeah.
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[S1] Right. [S2] And that was the thing too, because of that fact that I rented out the comedy club, rented out my own cameras, used my own money, then went to them. [S1] By yourself. [S2] That allowed, you know, my team to get the best deal possible and have ownership in this brand to, you know, even when later times, however, 15 years later, I was able to have so much leverage when actually doing business dealings and,
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[S1] You know, as we all know, content is king and ownership and IP. So I, I, I learned that at an early age by accident because I just, nobody understood what I was trying to do and I was never scared to put my own money up, especially from my team or from my friends. So it just, it was a benefit. People looked up, they looked at me like, "Yo, you know you owned." [S2] Yeah. [S1] ... While it out, right? [S2] I was about to tell you, you know, you just said, like, as, as we all know, people don't know. [S1] Yeah. [S2] You know, there's, there's a lot of people that don't- [S1] And we have forgot. [S2] ... don't rest.
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[S1] Uh, I don't know, we, we might be the first of the generation to do that because- [S2] To do it, to do it and truly understand it. [S1] And have access to do it. [S2] Yeah, you know, when we look at our, you know, the generation before us, granted, you know, this generation we salute, we give flowers to, we bow down to 'cause they opened up these doors, but the opportunities of now may not have been presented correctly then for a lot of them to grasp the understanding of that ownership and- [S1] Yeah, and they
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[S1] ... where did you get that? You've always been a guy that you understand that one plus one equals two. [S2] Right. [S1] And, and with or without the business of entertainment, you've, you've, you still implemented yourself into other things, other revenue streams. My question is, where did that come from? Is that, is that a family, is that a family learned trait?
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