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Avete visto i due precedenti messaggi con questo titolo? Ma come si fa a
spedire messaggi con allegati cos' grandi?
Alla fine del download non l'ho aperto, c'e' il sospetto di virus.
Qualcuno di voi sa dire di che si tratta?
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Ciao,
io ho aperto il 7149, il file è un PDF e sembra che non contenga alcun
virus.
Comunque ho copiato il testo, ovviamente senza le numerose foto che erano
presenti nel testo originali, purtroppo è in inglese.
Ditemi voi se lo considerat interessante
Gigi
(The bottom of a passing UFO)
Picture is taken from
http://www.alienpropulsion.com/
Location #1 and #2 shows an energy pattern (on).
#3 has no energy pattern (off). The energy is
possibly used as thrust for steering the craft.
Synopsis of Unconventional Flying
Objects: JSE Review
By: H.E. Puthoff
Institute for Advanced Studies at Austin, TX 78759
PLEASE DISTRIBUTE
THIS FILE FREELY!!!
SUBJECT: Synopsis of Unconventional Flying Objects, by Paul Hill, Hampton
Roads Publ. Co.,
Charlottesville, VA, 1995 (ISBN 1-57174-027-9) JSE Review by H. E. Puthoff,
Ph.D., Institute for
Advanced Studies at Austin, TX 78759
To the degree that the engineering characteristics of UFOs can be estimated
by empirical observation, in
my opinion the above-referenced, recently-published book by Paul Hill
provides the most reliable, concise
summary of engineering-type data available. [1] The data were compiled over
decades of research by a
Chief Scientist-Manager at NASA's Langley Research Center [2] who acted as
an informal clearinghouse
for UFO-related data. The strength of the compilation lies in its thoughtful
separation of wheat from chaff,
and the analysis of the former into coherent patterns, including detailed
calculations. Perhaps surprising to
the casually interested, under careful examination the observations, rather
than defying the laws of physics
as naive interpretation might suggest, instead appear to be solidly
commensurate with them, as the
following discussion shows.
One of the most consistently-observed characteristics of UFO flight is a
ubiquitous pattern in which they
tilt to perform all maneuvers. Specifically, they sit level to hover, tilt
forward to move forward, tilt
backward to stop, bank to turn, and descend by "falling-leaf" or "silver-
dollar-wobble" motions. Detailed
analysis by Hill shows that such motion is inconsistent with aerodynamic
requirements, but totally
consistent with some form of repulsive force-field propulsion. Not satisfied
with paper analyses alone, Hill
arranged to have various forms of jet-supported and rotor-supported circular
flying platforms built and
tested. Hill himself acted as test pilot in early, originally-classified,
versions, and found the above motions
the most economical for control purposes. Pictures of these platforms are
included in the text.
In an effort to examine the force-field propulsion hypothesis yet further,
Hill analyzed a number of cases
involving near-field interactions with an apparent craft in which some form
of force was in evidence. These
include examples in which a person or vehicle was affected, tree branches
were parted or broken, roof tiles
were dislodged, objects were deflected, and ground or water were disturbed.
Under close analysis the
subtleties of these interactions combine to point unequivocally to a
repulsive force field surrounding the
craft, while discriminating against propulsion mechanisms involving jet
action, pure electric or magnetic
effects, or the emission of energetic particles or radiation (although the
latter may accompany the
propulsive mechanism as a secondary effect). Further detailed investigation
indicates that the particular
form of force field propulsion that satisfies observational constraints is
what Hill labels a directed
acceleration field; that is, a field that is, in general, gravitational-like
in nature, and, in particular, gravity-canceling.
[3] Such a field acts on all masses in its sphere of influence as does a
gravitational field.
Corollary to this conclusion is that observed accelerations ~100 g's
relative to the environment could be
sustained without on-board high-g forces.
One of the consequences of the above identification of field propulsion type
by Hill is his conclusion,
supported by detailed calculation, computer simulation and wind-tunnel
studies, that supersonic flight
through the atmosphere without sonic booms is easily engineered.
Manipulation of the acceleration-type
force field would, even at supersonic speeds, result in a constant-pressure,
compression-free zone without
shockwave in which the vehicle is surrounded by a subsonic flow-pattern of
streamlines, and subsonic
velocity ratios. An additional benefit of such field control is that drops
of moisture, rain, dust, insects, or
other low-velocity objects would follow streamline paths around the craft
rather than impact it.
Another puzzle resolved by Hill's analysis is that craft observed to travel
continuously at Mach 4 or 5 do
not appear to generate temperatures sufficiently high to be destructive to
known materials. In other words,
UFOs appear to prevent high aerodynamic heating rates, rather than
permitting a heating problem, then
surviving it with heat- resistant materials as is the case of the Shuttle
whose surface temperatures can reach
1300 degrees C. The resolution of this potential problem is shown by Hill to
derive from the fact that the
force-field control that results in the prevention of shockwave drag as
discussed above is also effective in
preventing aerodynamic heating. In effect the airflow approaches, then
springs away from the craft,
depositing no energy in the process.
A further example of the type of correlation that emerges from Hill's
analytical approach is provided by an
analysis of the economy of various flight-path profiles. It is shown that
high-angle, high- acceleration
departures on ballistic-arc trajectories with high-speed coast segments are
more efficient than, for example,
intermediate-level, horizontal-path trips, both in terms of required
impulse-per-unit-mass and time-of-flight
SUBJECT: Synopsis of Unconventional Flying Objects, by Paul Hill, Hampton
Roads Publ. Co.,
Charlottesville, VA, 1995 (ISBN 1-57174-027-9) JSE Review by H. E. Puthoff,
Ph.D., Institute for
Advanced Studies at Austin, TX 78759
To the degree that the engineering characteristics of UFOs can be estimated
by empirical observation, in
my opinion the above-referenced, recently-published book by Paul Hill
provides the most reliable, concise
summary of engineering-type data available. [1] The data were compiled over
decades of research by a
Chief Scientist-Manager at NASA's Langley Research Center [2] who acted as
an informal clearinghouse
for UFO-related data. The strength of the compilation lies in its thoughtful
separation of wheat from chaff,
and the analysis of the former into coherent patterns, including detailed
calculations. Perhaps surprising to
the casually interested, under careful examination the observations, rather
than defying the laws of physics
as naive interpretation might suggest, instead appear to be solidly
commensurate with them, as the
following discussion shows.
One of the most consistently-observed characteristics of UFO flight is a
ubiquitous pattern in which they
tilt to perform all maneuvers. Specifically, they sit level to hover, tilt
forward to move forward, tilt
backward to stop, bank to turn, and descend by "falling-leaf" or "silver-
dollar-wobble" motions. Detailed
analysis by Hill shows that such motion is inconsistent with aerodynamic
requirements, but totally
consistent with some form of repulsive force-field propulsion. Not satisfied
with paper analyses alone, Hill
arranged to have various forms of jet-supported and rotor-supported circular
flying platforms built and
tested. Hill himself acted as test pilot in early, originally-classified,
versions, and found the above motions
the most economical for control purposes. Pictures of these platforms are
included in the text.
In an effort to examine the force-field propulsion hypothesis yet further,
Hill analyzed a number of cases
involving near-field interactions with an apparent craft in which some form
of force was in evidence. These
include examples in which a person or vehicle was affected, tree branches
were parted or broken, roof tiles
were dislodged, objects were deflected, and ground or water were disturbed.
Under close analysis the
subtleties of these interactions combine to point unequivocally to a
repulsive force field surrounding the
craft, while discriminating against propulsion mechanisms involving jet
action, pure electric or magnetic
effects, or the emission of energetic particles or radiation (although the
latter may accompany the
propulsive mechanism as a secondary effect). Further detailed investigation
indicates that the particular
form of force field propulsion that satisfies observational constraints is
what Hill labels a directed
acceleration field; that is, a field that is, in general, gravitational-like
in nature, and, in particular, gravity-canceling.
[3] Such a field acts on all masses in its sphere of influence as does a
gravitational field.
Corollary to this conclusion is that observed accelerations ~100 g's
relative to the environment could be
sustained without on-board high-g forces.
One of the consequences of the above identification of field propulsion type
by Hill is his conclusion,
supported by detailed calculation, computer simulation and wind-tunnel
studies, that supersonic flight
through the atmosphere without sonic booms is easily engineered.
Manipulation of the acceleration-type
force field would, even at supersonic speeds, result in a constant-pressure,
compression-free zone without
shockwave in which the vehicle is surrounded by a subsonic flow-pattern of
streamlines, and subsonic
velocity ratios. An additional benefit of such field control is that drops
of moisture, rain, dust, insects, or
other low-velocity objects would follow streamline paths around the craft
rather than impact it.
Another puzzle resolved by Hill's analysis is that craft observed to travel
continuously at Mach 4 or 5 do
not appear to generate temperatures sufficiently high to be destructive to
known materials. In other words,
UFOs appear to prevent high aerodynamic heating rates, rather than
permitting a heating problem, then
surviving it with heat- resistant materials as is the case of the Shuttle
whose surface temperatures can reach
1300 degrees C. The resolution of this potential problem is shown by Hill to
derive from the fact that the
force-field control that results in the prevention of shockwave drag as
discussed above is also effective in
preventing aerodynamic heating. In effect the airflow approaches, then
springs away from the craft,
depositing no energy in the process.
A further example of the type of correlation that emerges from Hill's
analytical approach is provided by an
analysis of the economy of various flight-path profiles. It is shown that
high-angle, high- acceleration
departures on ballistic-arc trajectories with high-speed coast segments are
more efficient than, for example,
intermediate-level, horizontal-path trips, both in terms of required
impulse-per-unit-mass and time-of-flight
parameters. This he correlates with the observation that UFO departures are
of the dramatically high-angle,
high-acceleration type.
Also of interest is Hill's analysis of the spectra and intensity of an
apparent plasma sheath surrounding such
craft, the details of which correlate with what one would expect in terms of
it being a secondary effect
associated with the propulsion system, for example, a blue shift and
intensity increase during a "power-up"
phase, and the opposite during hover or landing maneuvers. An additional
fine point that emerges from this
analysis is resolution of the paradox that observation on a direct
line-of-sight to a near part of the craft can
reveal a metallic-like structure while the attempt to observe the outline of
the craft, necessarily by an
oblique line-of-sight, results in an indistinct blur. Analysis shows this to
be a reasonable outcome of an
expected re- absorption of reflected light by the surrounding plasma in the
longer- length path associated
with the more oblique view.
Another typical nugget of information is found in Hill's discussion of the
results of the analysis of a
possible UFO artifact, the famous Ubatuba magnesium fragments claimed to
have originated from an
exploded unidentified craft near Ubatuba, Brazil. Laboratory analysis of the
samples found the magnesium
to be not only of exceptional purity, and anomalous in its trace composition
of other elements, but 6.7%
denser than ordinary pure magnesium, a figure well beyond the experimental
error of the measurement.
Hill's calculation shows that this observation can be accounted for by
assuming that the sample contained
only the pure isotope Mg26, rather than the naturally-occurring distribution
among isotopes Mg24, Mg25
and Mg26. Since the only isotope separation on a significant scale in
terrestrial manufacture is that of
uranium, such a result must be considered at least anomalous, and possibly
as evidence for extraterrestrial
manufacture.
Additional calculations concerning the parameters of interstellar travel
(including relativistic effects), and
the energetics of such travel, have been performed and are included in
tabular and graphical form. The
wealth of material in these sections, along with discussion of the broad
implications of this material, reveal
the dedication and thoroughness of Hill's approach to his self-assigned
task.
In the final analysis, one must conclude that Hill has assembled as good a
case as can be made on the basis
of presently available data that the observation of some "unconventional
flying objects" is compatible with
the presence of engineered platforms weighing in at something around 30
tons, which are capable of 100-g
accelerations and 9000-mph speeds in the atmosphere. Perhaps more important
for the technical reader,
however, is Hill's supporting argumentation, based on solid analysis, that
these platforms, although
exhibiting the application of physics and engineering principles clearly
beyond our present-day capabilities,
do not appear to defy these principles in any fundamental way.
1. The book also comes highly recommended in a Frontispiece by Apollo 14
astronaut Edgar Mitchell, and
in a Foreword by retired McDonnell Douglas R&D manager Robert M. Wood.
[Back]
2. Ass't Chief, Pilotless Aircraft Research Div.; Assoc. Chief, Applied
Materials and Physics Div. Retired
from NASA in 1970. [Back]
3.Recent examples of the discussion of the technical aspects of candidate
field propulsion mechanisms of
this type are given in M. Alcubierre, "The warp drive: hyper-fast travel
within general relativity," Class.
and Quantum Grav., vol. 11, p. L73 (1994), and in H. Puthoff, "SETI, the
velocity-of-light limitation, and
the Alcubierre warp drive: An integrating overview," Phys. Essays vol. 9,
No. 1, p. 156 (March 1996).
[ Popular Mechanics - August 1964 ]
Major de Seversky's
Ion - Propelled Aircraft
An ion - generated wind will lift and propel this
incredible magic carpet of the future
By Hans Fantel
IT WAS DOWNRIGHT SPOOKY. Without a sound, the peculiar, spiky contraption
rose straight up,
hovered awhile, climbed higher. Then it did a few graceful turns, stopped
again, and just sat there silently
in midair.
It seemed like levitation - some trick to overcome gravity. I could not
shake off the feeling that i was
attending a kind of spiritual seance, or maybe a Buck Rogers show, instead
of an engineering
demonstration. The eerie scene took place in the big barn like laboratory of
Electron-Atom Inc., research
firm in Long Island City, New York, devoted to the development of a new kind
of flying machine. I had
been invited to watch a scale model being put through its paces by remote
control. What we saw was by far
the oddest aircraft since the Wright Brothers' motorized kite. It had no
prop. No jet. No wings. In fact, it
had no moving parts at all looking somewhat like an old-fashioned bedspring,
the rectangular rig is the
nearest thing to a magic carpet. It needs no runway, takes off vertically
and is expected to climb as high as
60 miles. It can crawl through the air like a snail, or go faster than a
jet. Nobody yet knows the speed limit.
After a while, I closed my mouth. But David Yorysh, one of the project
engineers, noticed my puzzlement.
"Any questions?" he grinned.
"Yes. What holds it up?"
"Ions," said Yorysh, as he launched into an explanation of a wholly new
flight concept.
The magic carpet, called the Ionocraft, flies on pure electricity. It
depends specifically on the fundamental
principle of electricity that electric current always flows from negative to
positive, and it uses two basic
pieces of equipment to take advantage of this principle - tall metal spikes
that are installed above an open
wire-mesh grid. High negative voltage is shot from the spikes toward the
positively charged wire grid, just
like negative and positive poles on an ordinary battery. As the negative
charge leaves the spike arms, it
peppers the surrounding air like buckshot, putting a negative charge on some
of the air particles. Such
negatively charged air particles are called ions, and these are attracted
downward by the positively charged
grid.
"Okay," I said. "But I still don't see what holds it up."
"I'm getting to that," Yorysh assured me as he spelled out the rest of the
Ionocraft principle. In their mad
rush from the ion emitter to the main grid, the ions bump into neutral air
molecules-air particles without
electric charge. The terrific wallop in these collisions hurls a mass of
neutral air down-ward along with
ions. When they reach that air grid, the ions being negative are trapped by
positive charge on the grid. but
the grid has no attraction for the neutral air particles that got bumped
along. So the air flows right through
the open grid mesh, making a downdraft beneath the Ionocraft. The
contraption rides on this shaft of air,
getting lift just like a helicopter - by sucking air down from the top.
"Aerodynamically, it works just like a chopper," Yorysh summed it up.
"But instead of using a rotor and blades, we create the downward air flow
electrically by means of ionic
discharge. the ions act on the air like a man treading water. They just push
down."
The engineers working on Ionocraft are the first to admit that their present
rig is still a long way from any
kind of practical aircraft. the model we saw measures only 1296 square
inches and consists of about $5
worth of balsa wood and aluminum wire. But the principle holds an important
promise for the future of
aviation. The problem now is improving efficiency - getting enough lift from
a given grid area and a given
amount of energy, Present models cannot yet lift their own electric
generators. they get power through a
feeder cable, dangling down like an umbilical cord. Ionocraft engineers tend
to be close- mouthed on
performance figures. But they will tell you that at present it takes 90
watts (30,000 volts at 3 milliamperes)
to fly a two ounce model. translated into ordinary power-to-weight ratios,
this works out to roughly .96 hp.
per pound, as compared with a typical .1 hp per pound of helicopter or .065
hp for a pound Piper Cub.
But Ionocraft designers are hard at work upping efficiency. One possible
power - boosting technique is to
pulse the power in short high energy bursts rather than apply steady
voltage. They are also trying out
various grid patterns and ion emitter layouts to minimize energy loss
through turbulence in the downdraft.
Despite such unresolved problems, the development crew almost bristles with
optimism, and the most
optimistic of all is the Ionocraft's inventor Major Alexander P. de
Seversky. No crackpot, Major de
Seversky is a practical visionary who in many areas has been far in front of
his field.
"We hope to fly a model with self-contained power, perhaps by the end of the
year," he told me,
confidently. "Ultimately, the ionic drive will prove more efficient than
either propeller or jet as a method of
aircraft propulsion.
"It will achieve lift at less expenditure of energy and fuel than existing
form of aircraft. In fact, it will prove
the most efficient method of converting electricity into motion."
Coming from a man of de Seversky's background, such a statement has an
almost prophetic ring. A leading
aircraft designer and ace flyer for the past 50 years, de Seversky's idea's
have often been ahead of their time
- sometimes to the embarrassment of other aviation experts. Losing his right
leg during his first flying
mission in World War I didn't deter him from downing 13 enemy aircraft in
later flights. After coming to
the United States from Russia, de Seversky developed bombsights and course
computers during the 1920s
that were the forerunners of today's inertial guidance systems.
Worked with Billy Mitchell
Later he pioneered the design of the cantilever-skin stressed wing that is
now in general use. He was
consultant to General Billy Mitchell in the historic airplane-verses
battleship tactical experiments of the
1920s, and as a special consultant to the U.S. Chiefs of Staff helped
formulate basic air strategy in World
War II. He also contributed to the designs of the P-35 and P-43 which led to
the development of the P-47
Thunderbolt, one of America's most effective wartime fighter planes. Now a
trim and sprightly man of 70,
he still likes to take out experimental jet planes for a spin.
"The idea hit me as I was working on an electric air-cleaning device which I
had invented," the major
recalled. "That gadget was designed to fight air pollution by electrically
charging the particles in industrial
smoke and then trapping them on a liquid electrode with the opposite
charge." De Seversky noticed an air
flow developing between the two electrodes, caused by ionization process
previous explained. "To an old
flyer like me," said the major, "anything that stirs up a wind is a flying
machine. So I began to develop the
idea." The major seemed concerned that the Ionocraft might be mistaken for a
kind of space vehicle. "This
is not a spacecraft," he explained emphatically to forestall any
misunderstanding. "It's an airplane, designed
to operate within the atmosphere. But it will be able to do things no
present type aircraft can accomplish."
Pointing out the potential advantage of Ionocraft over conventional planes
or helicopters, de Seversky ticks
of a whole string of radical notions:
High-altitude flight. Helicopters whirl their blades in utter frustration at
altitudes where the air gets thin.
Beyond 20,000 feet, they get almost no lift. By contrast, experts calculate
that Ionocraft can kick up (rather
kick down) enough air to stay aloft at 300,000 feet.
Unlimited size. The bigger it gets the better it flies. Efficiency increases
with grid area. Distributing airflow
around the grid edge becomes proportionately less important in larger craft.
the reason: Grid area increases
faster than circumference with growing size. "We'll be able to build them as
big as a city block" claimed de
Seversky.
High speed. No practical speed limit has been determined. The ions
themselves flash from emitter to grid
impart to the very high-velocity impulse. Aerodynamic drag would be the
chief speed-limiting factor. But,
streamlining of the grid edge and careful contouring of the craft, could
minimize air drag.
Safety. No moving parts in propulsion and no wear, means less chance of
failure, simpler maintenance.
Steering with Voltage
Steering control is accomplished by applying different voltages to various
parts of the craft. The part with
the high voltage gets more lift, hence tilts up. The form of the Ionocraft
does not matter. Any shape will fly,
but de Seversky assumes that round models in the form of a flying saucer
will be the most easily
manuverable. By a simple joystick control, the pilot can lift any edge of
the craft, producing pitch and roll
as if the Ionocraft had elevators and ailerons. He can put the craft into
any flight attitude-noise up or down,
or banking to either side. Like the tilt of a helicopter rotor, this
inclination pushes the craft forward,
rearward, or sideways.
J.F. Bruno, the technical director of de Seversky's staff, spoke of a
passenger gondola in future models,
suspended from gimbals below the main grid so that it remains level
regardless of how the main deck is
tilted. Locations below the main grid also shields passengers from high
energy flow. But, even if the
passengers somehow got into the ion stream, it wouldn't electrocute them
unless they got "grounded" to the
main grid. "It would be just like birds sitting on a wire," said Yorysh, the
man in charge of electronic
design. Until patents for Ionocraft were firmly nailed, de Seversky kept his
ideas carefully under raps.
That's another reason no full-scale prototype has yet been built. But even
present scale models set the
imagination buzzing.
Manned craft are envisioned for:
Commuter transport, With no size limit, you can pack trainloads of people
into this VTOL craft, relieve
traffic congestion around urban centers. The type of craft used as
long-distance transport possibly at
supersonic speeds-would not need big airports with long run ways.
Airborne traffic monitors. Hovering above bridges and major intersections,
or patrolling above highways,
one-man Ionocraft would provide a panoramic view of traffic conditions,
radio information to round
traffic-control centers.
Grid Is Hard to Hit
Military reconnaissance and rescue. Without moving parts, the Ionocraft is
less vulnerable to small-arms
fire than helicopters. the open grid makes a poor target. Most bullets would
whizz right through it. Even if
the grid is hit, the electric charge would be maintained despite the damage
to some portions. Unlike a
copter with shattered blades, the Ionocraft would not crash.
Weather observation. While satellites like Tiros look down on the atmosphere
from outer space. Ionocraft
could sail right into the weather-making air layers, providing valuable
supplemental information. Being
steerable, Ionocraft would not drift with the wind like weather balloons,
but could hold a position over
crucial areas, making local forecasts more reliable.
Skyborne antenna, kept aloft indefinitely in a fixed position by ground
based energy supply. Ionocraft
could also act as a skyborne antenna, extending the range of defense radar.
"It would be like raising the
DEW-line 60 miles up into the air," suggested de Seversky, "adding 15 to 25
minutes warning time against
missiles."
Anti-missile machine. Always alert to military tactics, de Seversky believes
that Ionocraft could be used as
missile interceptors. Normally the craft would hover at high altitudes,
scanning the horizon for a 700-mile
range. As soon as it spotted and identified a hostile missiles through an
infrared detection system, the
Ionocraft would hurl itself at the enemy rocket on a collision course and
blow it out of the air.
When practical craft are built, their designers expect to have a choice of
several power supply systems now
under development for NASA's space program. Some of these include:
Gas-turbine generators. Several firms, notably General Electric and
Allis-Chalmers, have come up with
compact, light weight, kerosene-fueled turbines, originally intended as
power sources for spacecraft. These
may be used to generate electricity aboard Ionocraft.
Fuel cells. these are chemical reactors producing electricity like a storage
battery, but drawing their
chemicals from external supply tanks. NASA is currently testing fuel cells
converting hydrogen and oxygen
to electricity, with drinking water as a byproduct.
Solar cells, directly convert sunlight to electricity-the present energy
source of most satellites. When high-efficiency
solar cells are available, they may keep Ionocraft aloft for indefinite
periods.
Power from Boiling Mercury
Sunflower - a code name for another project aimed at deriving electric power
directly from sunlight. It
employs an umbrella-like reflector that focuses the sun's heat to boil
mercury, which expands through a
turbine and drives an electric generator. (Solar-power supplies would be
back-stopped by other kinds of
power generators to take over whenever no sunlight is available.)
Microwave radiation. Concentrated beams of high-frequency radio waves may
transfer energy from ground
stations to the Ionocraft if the craft is to be used as a hovering platform
in a fixed position. Raytheon has
pioneered this type of energy transmission through its Amplitron tube and
has recaptured as much as 72
percent of the radiated energy at the receiver site. High-power laser beams
may be similarly used for
transmission. Experimental hardware has already been produced for each of
these off-beat power-supply
systems.
None of the men working on the Ionocraft will be pinned down to any
production timetable. "It's a pretty
wild project," admitted technical director Bruno, a veteran 20 years in the
missile business. "But that's what
they said when we started working on rockets." Major de Seversky, whose own
career goes back to the
beginnings of aviation, views his invention in historical perspective: "We
are exploring an entirely new
principle of flight. We're just at the spot where the Wright Brothers were
in 1903. We are just beginning to
see the possibilities."

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Io uso Wind, il quale fa passare anche i messaggi con attachment sui NG nei
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Comunque ho controllato il file con Norton Antivirus 2000 (elenco virus
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Inoltre non mi risulta che ci siano virus che infettano i pdf.
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