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Titolo: Ufo/Alieni: Documento N° 6 (per Morbius, ma non solo)

Documento ufficiale declassificato USAF dell' 8 ottobre 1970, che
parla esplicitamente di UFO ed alieni. Si tratta del capitolo 33 del
testo “Introductory Space Science, Volume II, Department of Physics,
USAF” editato dal Maggiore Donald G. Carpenter e dal Co-editore
Luogotenente Colonnello Edwared R. Therkel. Il documento afferma che
United States Air Force afferma che gli UFO esistono fin
dall'antichità, parla anche di origine extraterrestre degli UFO, ma
sopratutto si afferma che sia gli USA che i Sovietici hanno tentato di
abbattere gli UFO, che nel caso americano aveva la classica forma di
disco volante (p462-463).
Clicca qui
http://pasquariello.altervista.org/usafcap33.pdf
truman

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si ma dice
"
Based on the conclusions of the Condon report and its own twenty-year UFO
experience, the Air Force terminated Project Blue Book in December 1969 with
this final statement, "As a result of investigating UFO reports since 1948,
the conclusions of Project Blue Book are (1) no UFO reported, investigated,
and evaluated by the Air Force has ever given any indication of threat to
our national security; (2) there has been no evidence submitted or
discovered by the Air Force that sightings categorized as 'unidentified'
represent technological developments or principles beyond the range of
present-day scientific knowledge; and (3) there has been no evidence
indicating that sightings categorized as 'unidentified' are extraterrestrial
vehicles."
l' ultima riga in pratica dice " non c'è evidenza che indichi che questa
categoria di "non identificati" siano veicoli extraterrestri "
anche nelle conclusioni dice chiaramente che rimane aperta la possibilità
degli alieni ( che lui ritiene sgradevole) ma che ci vuole un studio più
mirato per poterlo dire ( poi dice un paio di corbellerie dovute all periodo
in cui è stato scritto il testo, infatti sostiene la possibilità che alcuni
pianeti del sistema solare siano abitati )
di nuovo aspetto un documento serio ...
DrMorbius
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temo che prima di passare al doc numero 7 tu debba leggere meglio ciò
che dice il doc n.6. questo per un semplice motivo: hai fatto
confusione (non voglio prendere in esame altre spiegazioni
naturalmente)...
questo il documento in questione:
http://www.cufon.org/cufon/afu.htm
queste le conclusioni:
33.3 Conclusion
Having presented the arguments for each of the hypotheses, possible
conclusions are now considered.  It is apparent that no single
hypothesis can account for all UFO reports. Hypotheses 1, 2, 3, and 4
are obviously valid and, as a group, account for a large number of UFO
reports. However, the evidence is insufficient to conclude that all
UFO reports can be attributed to these  causes. Hypothesis 8 is
unlikely to yield to any form of scientific analysis, so we eliminate
it from further consideration.  If hypotheses 5, 6, and 7 are
scientifically the most interesting since they offer the possibility
of new knowledge about ourselves and our environment.  As indicated
above, hypotheses 5 and 6 require additional research on poorly
understood phenomena before conclusions can be reached as to their
bearing on the UFO problem.  At this time, there appears to be
insufficient evidence available to either confirm or refute hypothesis
7.
One additional note of caution must be included at this point.  In
most of this chapter, we have discussed primarily the scientific
implications of the UFO question.  However, the Lorenzens contend that
UFOs are primarily an emotional problem, secondly a political problem,
and only incidentally, a scientific problem. They feel that when the
emotional and political problems have been resolved, the entire UFO
problem will yield to scientific investigation.
ciò che hai riportato tu, cioé questo:
Based on the conclusions of the Condon report and its own twenty-year
UFO experience, the Air Force terminated Project Blue Book in December
1969 with this final statement, "As a result of investigating UFO
reports since 1948, the conclusions of Project Blue Book are (1) no
UFO reported, investigated, and evaluated by the Air Force has ever
given any indication of threat to our national security; (2) there has
been no evidence submitted or discovered by the Air Force that
sightings categorized as 'unidentified' represent technological
developments or principles beyond the range of present-day scientific
knowledge; and (3) there has been no evidence indicating that
sightings categorized as 'unidentified' are extraterrestrial
vehicles."
è inerente al rapporto condon che è un'altra cosa...
http://digilander.libero.it/mirkopellegrin/html/il_rapporto_condonuntitled33.html
a noi interessano queste cosine qui:
Alien Visitors
   The most stimulating theory for us is that the UFO's are material
objects which are either "Manned" or remote-controlled by beings who
are alien to this planet.  There is some evidence supporting this
viewpoint. In addition to police Sergeant Lonnie Zamora's experience,
let us consider the case of Barney and Betty Hill.  On a trip through
New England they lost two hours on the night of 19 September 1961
without even realizing it. However, after that night both Barney and
Betty began developing psychological problems which eventually grew
sufficiently severe that they submitted themselves to psychiatric
examination and treatment.  During the course of treatment
hypnotherapy was used, and it yielded remarkably detailed and similar
stories from both Barney and Betty.  Essentially they had been
hypnotically kidnapped, taken aboard a UFO, submitted to two-hour
physicals, and released with posthypnotic suggestions to forget the
entire incident.  The evidence is rather strong that this is what the
Hills, even in their subconscious, believe happened to them.  And it
is of particular importance that after the "posthypnotic block" was
removed, both of the Hills ceased having their psychological
problems.
   The Hill's description of the aliens was similar to descriptions
provided in other cases, but this particular type of alien appears to
be in the minority.  The most commonly described alien is about three
and one-half feet tall, has a round head (helmet?), arms reaching to
or below his knees, and is wearing a silvery space suit or coveralls.
Other aliens appear to be essentially the same as Earthmen, while
still others have particularly wide (wrap around) eyes and mouths with
very thin lips.  And there is a rare group reported as about four feet
tall, weight of around 35 pounds, and covered with thick hair or fur
(clothing?).  Members of this last group are described as being
extremely strong.  If such beings are visiting Earth, two questions
arise: 1) why haven't there been any accidents which have revealed
their presence, and 2) why haven't they attempted to contact us
officially?  The answer to the first question may exist partially in
Sergeant Lonnie Zamora's experience, and may exist partially in the
Tunguska meteor discussed in Chapter XXIX.  In that chapter it was
suggested that the Tunguska meteor was actually a comet which exploded
in the atmosphere, the ices melted and the dust spread out.  Hence, no
debris!  However, it has also been suggested that the Tunguska meteor
was actually an alien spacecraft that entered the atmosphere to
rapidly, suffered mechanical failure, and lost its power supply and/or
weapons in a nuclear explosion.  While that hypothesis may seem far
fetched, sample of tree rings from around the world reveal that,
immediately after the Tunguska meteor explosion, the level of
radioactivity in the world rose sharply for a short period of time.
It is difficult to find a natural explanation for that increase in
radioactivity, although the suggestion has been advanced that enough
of the meteor's great kinetic energy was converted into heat (by
atmospheric friction) that a fusion reaction occurred.  This still
leaves us with no answer to the second question: why no contact?  That
question is very easy to answer in several ways: 1) we may be the
object of intensive sociological and psychological study.  In such
studies you usually avoid disturbing the test subjects' environment;
2) you do not "contact" a colony of ants, and humans may seem that way
to any aliens (variation: a zoo is fun to visit, but you don't
"contact" the lizards); 3) such contact may have already taken place
secretly; and 4) such contact may have already taken place on a
different plane of awareness and we are not yet sensitive to
communications on such a plane.  These are just a few of the reasons.
You may add to the list as you desire.
33.4 HUMAN FEAR AND HOSTILITY
   Besides the foregoing reasons, contacting humans is downright
dangerous.  Think about that for a moment!  On the microscopic level
our bodies reject and fight (through production antibodies) any alien
material; this process helps us fight off disease but it also
sometimes results in allergic reactions to innocuous materials.  On
the macroscopic (psychological and sociological) level we are
antagonistic to beings that are "different". For proof of that, just
watch how an odd child is treated by other children, or how a minority
group is socially deprived, or how the Arabs feel about the Israelis
(Chinese vs. Japanese, Turks vs. Greeks, etc.)  In case you are
hesitant to extend that concept to the treatment of aliens let me
point out that in very ancient times, possible extraterrestrials may
have been treated as Gods but in the last two thousand years, the
evidence is that any possible aliens have been ripped apart by mobs,
shot and shot at, physically assaulted, and in general treated with
fear and aggression. In Ireland about 1,000 A.D., supposed airships
were treated as "demon-ships."  In Lyons, France, "admitted" space
travelers were killed.  More recently, on 24 July 1957 Russian anti-
aircraft batteries on the Kouril Islands opened fire on UFO's.
Although all Soviet anti-aircraft batteries on the Islands were in
action, no hits were made.  The UFO's were luminous and moved very
fast.  We too have fired on UFO's.  About ten o'clock one morning, a
radar site near a fighter base
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picked up a UFO doing 700 mph. The UFO then slowed to 100 mph, and two
F-86's were scrambled to intercept. Eventually one F-86 closed on the
UFO at about 3,000 feet altitude.  The UFO began to accelerate away
but the pilot still managed to get within 500 yards of the target for
a short period of time.  It was definitely saucer-shaped.  As the
pilot pushed the F-86 at top speed, the UFO began to pull away.  When
the range reached 1,000 yards, the pilot armed his guns and fired in
an attempt to down the saucer.  He failed, and the UFO pulled away
rapidly, vanishing in the distance.  This same basic situation may
have happened on a more personal level.  On Sunday evening 21 August
1955, eight adults and three children were on the Sutton Farm (one-
half mile from Kelly, Kentucky) when, according to them, one of the
children saw a brightly glowing UFO settle behind the barn, out of
sight from where he stood. Other witnesses on nearby farms also saw
the object.  However, the Suttons dismissed it as a "shooting star,"
and did not investigate.  Approximately thirty minutes later (at 8
p.m.), the family dogs began barking so two of the men went to the
back door and looked out.  Approximately 50 feet away and coming
toward them was a creature wearing a glowing silvery suit.  It was
about three and one-half feet tall with a large round head and very
long arms.  It had large webbed hands which were equipped with claws.
The two Suttons grabbed a twelve gauge shotgun and a 22 caliber
pistol, and fired at close range.  They could hear the pellets and
bullet ricochet as if off of metal.  The creature was knocked down,
but jumped up and scrambled away.  The Suttons retreated into the
house, turned off all inside lights, and turned on the porch-light.
At that moment, one of the women who was peeking out of the dining
room window discovered that a creature with some sort of helmet and
wide slit eyes was peeking back at her.  She screamed, the men rushed
in and started shooting.  The creature was knocked backwards but again
scrambled away without apparent harm.  More shooting occurred (a total
of about 50 rounds) over the next 20 minutes and the creatures finally
left (perhaps feeling unwelcome?)  After about a two hour wait (for
safety), the Suttons left too.  By the time the police got there, the
aliens were gone but the Suttons would not move back to the farm. They
sold it and departed.  This reported incident does bear out the
contention though that humans are dangerous.  At no time in the story
did the supposed aliens shoot back, although one is left with the
impression that the described creatures were having fun scaring
humans.
e soprattutto queste:
33.6 CONCLUSION
   From available information, the UFO phenomenon appears to have been
global in nature for almost 50,000 years.
in sostanza vengono confermate le cose che ci siamo detti:
1. i dischi volanti esistono
2. sono oggetti fisici reali
3. sono tecnologici
4. non sono attribuibili agli esseri umani
pensi che non vi siano argomenti interessanti di cui discutere?
truman

 pensi che non vi siano argomenti interessanti di cui discutere?
si , come al solito stai barando e lo sai
si parla di teorie e le consclusioni dicono chiaramente che non c'č nessuna
sicurezza
e che c'č bisogno di altri studi . che l'ipotesi aliena puň essere valida e
in certi casi anche la migliore
ma certezze ZERO
riporto anche il paragrafo 33,3 riferendosi alle ipotesi :
    1. Hoaxes, fabrications, and frauds.
     2. Hallucinations, mass hysteria, rumor phenomena.
     3. Advanced terrestrial technologies.
     4. Lay misinterpretations of well understood physical phenomena.
     5. Poorly understood physical phenomena.
     6. Poorly understood psychological phenomena.
     7. Extraterrestrial visitation.
     8. Messengers of salvation and occult truth.
dice
" Having presented the arguments for each of the hypotheses, possible
conclusions are now considered. It is apparent that no single hypothesis can
account for all UFO reports. Hypotheses 1, 2, 3, and 4 are obviously valid
and, as a group, account for a large number of UFO reports. However, the
evidence is insufficient to conclude that all UFO reports can be attributed
to these causes. Hypothesis 8 is unlikely to yield to any form of scientific
analysis, so we eliminate it from further consideration. If hypotheses 5, 6,
and 7 are scientifically the most interesting since they offer the
possibility of new knowledge about ourselves and our environment. As
indicated above, hypotheses 5 and 6 require additional research on poorly
understood phenomena before conclusions can be reached as to their bearing
on the UFO problem. At this time, there appears to be
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insufficient evidence available to either confirm or refute hypothesis 7.
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One additional note of caution must be included at this point. In most of
this chapter, we have discussed primarily the scientific implications of the
UFO question. However, the Lorenzens contend that UFOs are primarily an
emotional problem, secondly a political problem, and only incidentally, a
scientific problem. They feel that when the emotional and political problems
have been resolved, the entire UFO problem will yield to scientific
investigation. "
poi insomma se vuoi leggerci altro io non ci posso fare nulla
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 sicurezza
abbiamo a che fare con un documento ufficiale che dice chiaramente che
gli i DISCHI VOLANTI ESISTONO e che l'ORIGINE EXTRATERRESTRE NON PUO'
ESSERE ESCLUSA. che il FENOMENO UFO è PRESENTE DA OLTRE 50 MILA ANNI.
CHE I DISCHI VOLANTI SONO OGGETTI TECNOLOGICAMENTE AVANZATI. CHE I
DISCHI VOLANTI NON SONO RICONDUCIBILI A TECNOLOGIA UMANA
queste cose le hai lette oppure ci sono dei problemi che ti
impediscono di leggerle?
di queste cose pensi che si possa parlare oppure le trascuriamo?
le vogliamo prendere in considerazione una per una?
1) IL FENOMENO UFO è PRESENTE DA OLTRE 50 MILA ANNI
2) DISCHI VOLANTI ESISTONO.
3) CHE I DISCHI VOLANTI SONO OGGETTI TECNOLOGICAMENTE AVANZATI
4)I DISCHI VOLANTI NON SONO RICONDUCIBILI A TECNOLOGIA UMANA
5) ORIGINE EXTRATERRESTRE NON PUO' ESSERE ESCLUSA
neghi che nel doumento n.6 vi siano scritte queste cose?
truman

 neghi che nel doumento n.6 vi siano scritte queste cose?
nego il punto 3 perchè stai barando e lo sai
 
il resto è tutta roba che gia ho detto !!!!!
truman mi stai davvero esasperando
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 NON PUO' ESSERE ESCLUSA ! e chi cazzo la mai esclusa !
benissimo... non ti agitare. un conto è se non la escludiamo io e te,
un conto è se non la escludono fbi, cia, militari, nasa etc.
truman

 un conto è se non la escludono fbi, cia, militari, nasa etc.
ma nessuno l'ha mai esclusa !
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 cosa non ti è chiaro di " NON PUO' ESSERE ESCLUSA" ?
a me va benissimo. la cosa interessante di questo doc è che viene
presa in considerazione l'ipotesi aliena
dunque direi che possiamo tranquillamente passare al doc n. 7
truman

 presa in considerazione l'ipotesi aliena
sai che interesse...sarebbe interessante se qualcuno avesse mai escluso la
possibilità , cosa che io non ho mai discusso.
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