Newsgroup: it.discussioni.ufo
Titolo: Ufo precipitato in Brasile...

Un UFO è precipitato di notte in Brasile presso la citta' di Varginhia nel
1996; e' stato visto da migliaia di cittadini.
Due alieni sofferenti (grigi), sono stati catturati dai militari (base ESA)
ed i pompieri della zona che dicono siano morti prima di arrivare nell'
ospedale; presso il quale sono state fatte anche le autopsie, alla presenza
di 15 medici e dei militari del servizio segreto brasiliano.
Successivamente interrogati, militari e pompieri, dalle TV brasiliane, hanno
fornito versioni diverse, ma negano che vi siano state catture di alieni; il
medico che ha effettuato l'autopsia nell'ospedale, ha riferito ai suoi
allievi di chiedergli fra 15 anni cosa e' avvenuto veramente..
I corpi delle 2 creature sono stati in seguito trasportati negli USA.
Uno dei militari che ha catturato una delle 2 creature e' morto dopo 2
settimane, avvelenato da una sostanza, dicono sconosciuta. La famiglia ha
intentato causa contro lo stato perche' ha seppellito il corpo subito dopo
la morte..senza nessun testimone...
La trasmissione del servizio giornalistico della TV brasiliana e' stata
passata anche su di una TV estera..in Italia non se ne parla..
 G. Paolo Vanoli - dottore in Scienza della Nutrizione - Consulente in
Medicine Naturali - 
www.medicinenaturali.net

********** 6/19/96 8:01 PM  Forum CO
R 12 : *SYSTEM*             | Switching to Aliens&Society Co
       John Carpenter       | Tonight we are going to talk
                            | about many things
                            | including alien types, origins,
                            | and the case in Brazil
                            | which demonstrates ANOTHER type of entity. ga
       Mudwasp              | ?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Mudwasp ga
       Mudwasp              | What case in Brazil?
       VINNY                | ?
       John Carpenter       | Well, that certainly tells you all how NEW
                            | this case really is!!! Okay,
       Mudwasp              | :)
       John Carpenter       | there was an alleged crash in the country of
                            | Brazil, South America around January 19, 1996 
                            | near
                            | a city called Varginhia (180,000 people).
                            | As many as 5-6 creatures were either seen or
                            | captured by various military or other 
                            | officials.
       Mudwasp              | ?
       John Carpenter       | There are at least 35 first-hand witnesses. ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Vinny ga
        Ann F./ExecSYSOP    | ?
       Mudwasp              | What is the evidence that they are 
                            | otherworldly creatures?
       VINNY                | are  these  the same  entities  that  were  
                            | caught in 
                            | florida?sorry  good evening  John glad to see 
                            | you, 
                            | forgot my manners, the creatures  spoke  in  
                            | a 
                            | language that  we cant understand?
       John Carpenter       | First, Mud's question...
       VINNY                | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | ga Mudwasp
       John Carpenter       | The description is: 4-5 feet tall, brown skin 
                            | which
                            | glistened as if oiled, large round RED eyes,
                            | no hair, oversize heads, several bumps or 
                            | "horns" 
                            | on the heads,
                            | very long arms, skinny naked body, sexless,
                            | long 3-fingered hands, V-shaped feet. ga
                            | Oh...
                            | and they made a buzzing sound like bees after
                            | captured in nets.
                            | ga
       Mudwasp              | bizarre.
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Vinny ga
       VINNY                | are they the same creatures  caught in  
                            | florida?
       John Carpenter       | What creatures were CAUGHT in Florida?
       Mudwasp              | Drug Dealers.
                            | JK.
       VINNY                | the  same way  these  others were caught  a  
                            | few 
                            | kids were throwing rocks at them
                            | the firemen came and swooped them away
       John Carpenter       | When?
       VINNY                | in big nets
                            | two of them were caught
                            | a month  or so ago
       Mudwasp              | Since when do firemen know how to deal with 
                            | Aliens?
       John Carpenter       | Wait a minute....
       VINNY                |  the second one seemed  to speak  a  language 
                            | we 
                            | didnt understand
                            | ga
       John Carpenter       | Okay ... whoa ...
       VINNY                | ga
       Susan Mims           | ?
       John Carpenter       | Let me explain...
                            | I was just in Brazil and talked first-hand to 
                            | the
                            | principal investigators. What you just 
                            | described
                            | is exactly what happened in Brazil on January 
                            | 20,
       VINNY                | there  was  only two  beings  caught , there 
                            | were two 
                            | stories  i had  the one from brazil before
                            | this one is different
       John Carpenter       | 1996. In Brazil you do not call 911, you call 
                            | the fire 
                            | department who take care of all kinds of
                            | odd things -- large snakes, mad dogs, and in 
                            | this
       VINNY                | were three girls  involved  in brazil?
       John Carpenter       | case, what they thought were "odd monkeys" 
                            | until
                            | closer look. Yes, the three girls were 
                            | involved.
       VINNY                | ok  then there is  another story
                            | one in florida
       John Carpenter       | So this is not Florida, but BRAZIL, okay 
                            | everyone?
                            | Now...
                            | Let's come back to this case a little later, 
                            | okay?
       VINNY                | ga
                            | sorry
        Di&Jack/SL5         | ok Susan
       Susan Mims           | How reliable do you think the information 
                            | source is?  Are 
                            | there any pictures, artifacts, etc., to 
                            | support the stories? 
                            | Any footprints, landing marks, etc.?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | ga
       John Carpenter       | ok...
                            | They have taped interviews with military 
                            | officials,
                            | 1000 pages of testimony from 35 witnesses,
       Mudwasp              | ?
       John Carpenter       | including other officials, civilians, Air 
                            | Force, etc.
       John Carpenter       | There were footprints, odors, bodies 
                            | recovered and 
                            | examined in the hospital, etc etc. ga
       Susan Mims           | Bodies recovered?
       VINNY                | ?
       Mudwasp              | ?
       John Carpenter       | Yes, bodies were recovered -- at least two 
                            | dead and 
                            | two alive... interesting, eh?
       Susan Mims           | ?
       John Carpenter       | Two more have been seen BUT NOT CAPTURED 
                            | as far as we know at this point ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Okay Mudwasp, you are next, ga
       Mudwasp              | ga.
       John Carpenter       | Brazil (Varginhia is the city)
        Di&Jack/SL5         | This is a formal conference, use a ? 
                            | to ask a question and wait til you 
                            | are called on
       Mudwasp              | Were any witnesses not in the Military?
                            | and if so, what happened to them?
       John Carpenter       | yes, most of them were in the neighborhood, 
                            | on the 
                            | streets, near the hospital, in the hospital, 
                            | or part of 
                            | the medical unit, etc.
                            | They...
                            | have been threatened not to talk. Several of 
                            | the
                            | investigators have had their lives threatened.
       Mudwasp              | By the Military?
       John Carpenter       | Folks, this is not INTERNET rumor. This is 
                            | fact as I 
                            | just interviewed in person
       System Crash         | ?
       John Carpenter       | the principal investigator while I was at a 
                            | UFO
                            | conference in Brazil. He told me his life had 
                            | been
                            | threatened. He was the one who taped the 
                            | interviews with the military.
                            | And he has wisely duplicated these and 
                            | distributed
                            | them safely to many places. Good move! ga
       - Visitor            | Mr. Carpenter, do you know about the shadow 
                            | shaped in the letter A,B, or C found next to 
                            | the Viking 
                            | that went to Mars during the late 70's...?  
                            | They 
                            | thought it might have been some lifeform but 
                            | I don't 
                            | know if they ever determined anything 
                            | definite from 
                            | it...?  APOLOGIES:  I ALREADY TYPED MY 
                            | QUESTION...(next time?)
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Wow, Thanks John, Vinny, you are 
                            | next, ga
       VINNY                | John  do u  think  that  we  are  on  the  
                            | brink  on  the 
                            | ufo  reality comming  forth?All the  movies, 
                            | shows,commercials,etc,etc are we upon the 
                            | time  or 
                            | is it that the government cant controll?Do 
                            | you  think 
                            | my  theory  is  somewhat correct  that  the 
                            | earths 
                            | atmosphere is  thinning out and the 
                            | dimensional 
                            | portal  is wearing thin?Things  are starting 
                            | to just"fall 
                            | out"?
       John Carpenter       | It certainly feels like many more entities are
       Mudwasp              | 8%7)q
       John Carpenter       | coming through from somewhere. First all the 
                            | Chupacabras in Puerto Rico,
       John Carpenter       | Juarez, Mexico, and Florida. Now these 
                            | somewhat
                            | related creatures in Brazil who seem like a 
                            | cross 
                            | between the Chupacabras and Little Greys! ga
       John Carpenter       | okay...
       VINNY                | ?
       John Carpenter       | Roswell is and always will be an excellent 
                            | case with 
                            | many (300) witnesses from civilians
                            | to military personnel. Brigadier General 
                            | Jefferson 
                            | Dubose stated on videotape before his death
                            | that it was a coverup ABSOLUTELY of a strange 
                            | craft from another world. He was
                            | General Ramey's assistant and would KNOW.
                            | However,
                            | the autopsy film is NOT Roswell at all.
       System Crash         | ?
       John Carpenter       | It is dated as a crash on May 31, 1947 whereas
       John Carpenter       | Roswell was July 5-7th, 1947. It was also 
                            | supposed 
                            | to be 
       John Carpenter       | southwest of Soccorro. But the film
                            | does not look like any of the aliens from 
                            | thousands
                            | of researched cases. This does not mean that 
                            | it is 
                            | not possibly real, but we have nothing like 
                            | it before 
                            | despite
                            | years of research by so many investigators...
                            | The other bothersome thing...
                            | is that Santilli and others have not exactly 
                            | been
                            | clear on many aspects. Their stories are full 
                            | of 
                            | holes and disappointments. 
       System Crash         | With this obvious mistake, why would people 
                            | claim that it was fotage from Rosewell?
       John Carpenter       | The jury is still out but most serious UFO 
                            | researchers doubt its authenticity.   ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Excellent answer John, Vinney, ga
       John Carpenter       | Crash...
       Channing Jones       | ?
       System Crash         | ?
       John Carpenter       | It was only a popular label that stuck.
       VINNY                | Were these  beings  nasty, from what iheard 
                            | they 
                            | were scared to death?What was at the crash  
                            | sight 
                            | noone  heard anything about this , everyone 
                            | was 
                            | focussed on the beings!!!Were they wearing 
       John Carpenter       | Vinney?
       VINNY                | cloths?Could they be govenment  experiments 
                            | that " 
                            | got away'?
       John Carpenter       | Which beings?
       VINNY                | theones  in brazil
       John Carpenter       | okay..
                            | It would not seem as likely that they were the
                            | pilots of the craft -- they seemed more 
                            | primitive and 
                            | helpless ... however
                            | they may have been "cargo" or...
                            | android workers.... or possibly very 
                            | intelligent but
                            | just in shock --- just like a business 
                            | executive
                            | wandering around like a lost child after a 
                            | plane 
                            | wreck.  ga
       System Crash         | Is it true that the government of the US has 
                            | a "safe zone" in which no one cane enter, 
                            | unless 
                            | they have a very high security level, and it 
                            | is in this zone, that they are crossing alien 
                            | DNA with 
                            | human DNA to create some sort of human-alien 
                            | hybrid?
       John Carpenter       | They were not nasty.
       - Visitor            | !!!!!!!!!!
       System Crash         | What??  I found that info on a web page!
       John Carpenter       | Good question.... It is interesting to note...
                            | that one of the largest genetic research 
                            | centers
                            | is in Puerto Rico where so many Chupacabras
                            | were first seen.... hmmm... ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thanks John, Channing Jones, ga
       Channing Jones       | John, what do you think about the various 
                            | ancient civilization theories such as 
                            | Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu, etc.
       System Crash         | ?
       John Carpenter       | I have been looking very closely at ancient 
                            | stuff and 
       Susan Mims           | ?
       John Carpenter       | have found fascinating depictions of what 
                            | seem to 
                            | be obvious UFO sightings, abductions, etc. I 
                            | think
                            | that these beings have been visiting our 
                            | Earth ever 
                            | since we "came here"...<g>     ga
       System Crash         | What about the all infamous LOCH NESS MONSTER 
                            | hmm John?
       John Carpenter       | Is Crash next?
       Cool Jerk            | ?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | System, there are other questions 
                            | please wait until you are called on
       System Crash         | Sorry, I thought I was.
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Go ahead Susan
       Susan Mims           | Where are the live Brazil beings now?  Are 
                            | there pictures of 
                            | either the live or dead beings?  and did you 
                            | see them?  has 
                            | anyone threatened you, yet?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | then System 
       John Clark           | ?
       John Carpenter       | It is believed that one live being MAY have 
                            | been 
                            | brought back to the USA. There is one
                            | military witness who stated that the USA 
                            | informed
                            | the Brazilian miltary that an object had come 
                            | down
                            | and what to do -- until they got there? 
                            | Anyway, the 
                            | US is supposed to have overseen the 
                            | operation. 
                            | Does
                            | that really surprise anyone? I did not see 
                            | the bodies
                            | myself but saw numerous drawings from several 
                            | witnesses. 
        Di&Jack/SL5         | System Crash, GA
       John Carpenter       | They said that the incident WAS filmed well, 
                            | but
        Di&Jack/SL5         | sorry JOhn
       John Carpenter       | the investigators do not have the footage 
                            | yet. Now,
                            | you must realize that I was impressed by the 
                            | UFO
                            | investigators there -- some of them have been 
                            | very 
                            | diligent and dedicated for decades to this
                            | mystery and do a very fine, competent job! In 
                            | fact,
                            | Brazil has 182 UFO groups! Imagine! And they 
                            | have
                            | at least 40 MUFON members as well.    ga
       System Crash         | Do you think that one day others from 
                            | different worlds will come in full force? And 
                            | if so, do you 
                            | have any idea if they will come in peace, or 
                            | as a hostile act?  Also, any opinion on when 
                            | they 
                            | will come?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Interesting John, now your turn 
                            | System Crash
       Channing Jones       | ?
       John Carpenter       | We have no evidence of any hostility or 
                            | planned 
                            | takeover whatsoever. Goodness, with all of 
                            | their
                            | abilities they could have done so centuries 
                            | ago.
       System Crash         | What a releif!
       John Carpenter       | No researcher is finding this kind of 
                            | indication or 
                            | evidence in their cases.   ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Cool Jerk, GA
       Cool Jerk            | How do you explain our recent advances in 
                            | technology?is this a case of the Aliens 
                            | giving us info. or 
                            | is it just a case of the more we learn the 
                            | faster we 
                            | learn?
       John Carpenter       | the latter, I believe, plus what we gain from 
                            | such
                            | crash-retrievals and recovered bodies. ga
                            | well?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | John Clark, you are next, ga
       John Clark           | I'm from New Jersey and was wondering if you 
                            | had any thoughts on the Jersey Devil?  How 
                            | about Big Foot?  thanks:)
       John Carpenter       | I think the Jersey Devil may give us some 
                            | history 
                            | finally on the Chupacabras mystery. When the 
                            | Brazilian 3 girls saw the crouching creature, 
                            | they felt 
                            | they had seen the devil and ran away. ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thanks John, ga Chaning
       Channing Jones       | Don't you think movies such as Independence 
                            | Day are counterproductive to educating the 
                            | public?
       John Carpenter       | YES YES YES.... is it deliberate? I don't 
                            | know.  ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Ann you are next
                            | sorry ann
        Ann F./ExecSYSOP    | My question was answered, thanks:)
                            | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | John, what about the pictures on the 
                            | internet
        Pete P./ExecSYSOP   | ?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | of some composit looking 
                            | Chupacabaras
                            | ga
       John Carpenter       | Was that the dead corpse on the road?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | I'm thinking of the one that looked 
                            | like a Bass
                            | with teeth
        Debbie H./SL13      | ?
        Jim Griebel/ASYSOP  | ?
       John Carpenter       | Pretty weird -- not enough info on that one. 
                            | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Pete, you are next
        Pete P./ExecSYSOP   | John, has the Brazilian description of the 
                            | entities 
                            | involved matched any other encounter or 
                            | abduction case descriptions you're aware of?
       John Carpenter       | No....
                            | In fact,
       D Slade              | ?
       John Carpenter       | the Chupacabras are the closest because of 
                            | the 
                            | large red glowing eyes and simply "being on 
                            | the 
                            | loose" in the same manner.  ga
        Aitan R./SL3        | ?
        Jeannie/SL6         | ?
       John Carpenter       | who's next?
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thanks John, Debbie, ga
        Debbie H./SL13      | John, thanks for joining us tonight.
       John Carpenter       | Thank you.
        Debbie H./SL13      | Can you give us your opinion overall on the 
                            | crop circle phenomena?
                            | ga
       John Carpenter       | Sure...
                            | I believe this is a fascinating REAL 
                            | encounter with 
                            | another intelligence ....
                            | the scientific analyses of the crops reveals
                            | details that cannot be reproduced in the 
                            | labs...
                            | and
       MOOSE                | ANYBODY THERE?
                            | ANYBODY?
       John Carpenter       | some of the formations have been first 
                            | formulated
                            | in people's minds -- and then found in the 
                            | fields 
                            | perhaps the very next day!  Now...
                            | I have been in touch with Colin Andrews...
                            | and find the recent formations absolutely so
                            | intricate and beautiful -- well beyond human
                            | construction. Plus we have flying disks on 
                            | film that
       MOOSE                | HELLO?]
       John Carpenter       | prove some kind of UFO is present!! Other odd 
                            | lights and happenings have occurred. It is
                            | breathtaking, beautiful, inspiring, and 
                            | scientific. ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thanks John, Jim, ga
        Jim Griebel/ASYSOP  | John, first, thanks for joining us! Earlier 
                            | you 
                            | mentioned Dubose . . . do you have the title 
                            | of the 
                            | videotape you mentioned, on which he talks 
                            | about 
                            | a definite coverup in re Roswell, handy? ga 
       John Carpenter       | Just a moment ...
       John Carpenter       | The Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR) in
       John Carpenter       | Washington, DC has copies of the witnesses
                            | from Roswell. Try that, okay? ga
        Jim Griebel/ASYSOP  | Will do. Thanks!
                            | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | D. Slade ga
       Channing Jones       | ?
       D Slade              | John, what is your take on *new age* type 
                            | *religious* integration of ET experience? 
                            | Thanks, ga
       John Carpenter       | Well,
                            | many people have naturally been moved by 
                            | either
                            | their own experiences or by being involved in 
                            | this
                            | research. That is human nature to have such a 
                            | response. The astronauts who returned from the
                            | moon often had a deeply religious experience.
                            | I have talked with Ed Mitchell. You MUST read 
                            | his 
                            | new book, called
                            | A NEW WAY OF EXPLORATION,  ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thank you John, Aitan, you are next, 
                            | ga.
       D Slade              | Thanks John ga
        Aitan R./SL3        | In all your experience, what spect of 
                            | humanity seems to be affected the most, and 
                            | are there any noticeable changes in the way 
                            | people think now about all this, compared to 
                            | ten years ago? Is there an acceleration?
                            | aspect that is.
       John Carpenter       | AWARENESS and EDUCATION have been GREAT
                            | largely due to the media's improved posture 
                            | toward 
                            | all of this...
                            | Journalistic greats such as George Knapp, 
                            | Linda 
                            | Moulton Howe,
                            | and even Art Bell's Dreamland, plus SIGHTINGS,
                            | ENCOUNTERS, UNSOLVED MYSTERIES, and
                            | X-FILES to name just a few. As the networks 
                            | have 
                            | treated it more seriously,
                            | more people have felt comfortable to finally 
                            | tell their
        Aitan R./SL3        | !
       John Carpenter       | long-kept secret accounts. Thus, it appears 
                            | as if
                            | there is a great increase in encounters
                            | when actually
                            | there has been a flood of REPORTING -- many 
                            | of 
                            | the cases 10-20 years old! ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Jeannie, you are next, ga
        Jeannie/SL6         | Welcome and thank you so much for coming 
                            | tonight! :) 
                            | Why do you feel Gordon Cooper has spoken out 
                            | now 
                            | about UFO's? What could be his motivation?
                            | ?
       John Carpenter       | Tired of Bull----   I believe. ga
        Jeannie/SL6         | Bull?
                            | :)
       John Carpenter       | Well,
                            | okay! <g>
                            | ga
        Aitan R./SL3        | !
        Di&Jack/SL5         | channing ga
       Channing Jones       | I would like to get back to D Slade's 
                            | question. Occasionally aliens have been 
                            | reported mentioning such things as 
                            | reincarnation such as in the Adams and Meier 
                            | cases. What do you think of this? Is there a 
                            | connection to Religion?
       John Carpenter       | Well, now that is a big question indeed!!! 
                            | okay...
                            | In my own searching I have found nearly every 
                            | religion
                            | influenced by some kind of other-worldly 
                            | encounter.
                            | I really wonder about "angels" and "tall 
                            | blondes".
       IT15                 | ?
       John Carpenter       | I wonder about reptilians
                            | and the serpents from Biblical times. After 
                            | all, when 
                            | God said that NOW the serpent must crawl on 
                            | his 
                            | belly,
                            | what was he doing previously?
                            | And the Book of Enoch tells of the Watchers...
       Daniel Roberts       | ?
       ECL Robin            | ?
       John Carpenter       | a group of other-worldly beings which of 
                            | course
       D Slade              | ?
       John Carpenter       | we would call Gods... Why did the "sons of 
                            | God 
                            | come down to Earth and mate with the daughters
                            | of man?(genesis) There is so much more...
                            | I will be...
                            | putting out a paper in September
                            | on all of my findings, okay?
                            | By the way,
                            | I just finished making a research video
                            | for sale
                            | regarding a strange anomalous face
                            | that floated up into the view of a window 
                            | and was inadvertently caught on videotape.
                            | It is a good case, presented in an 80-minute
        Debbie H./SL13      | <g>
       John Carpenter       | research VHS video. Interested? This may be 
                            | the
                            | only legitimate ET ever caught on video.
                            | It is VERY strange indeed!   ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Good answer John, Aitan, ga
        Aitan R./SL3        | Regarding the media, its an indication that 
                            | the mass public is interested.
        Jeannie/SL6         | ?
       John Carpenter       | YES
                            | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thank you John, Daniel Roberts, ga
       Daniel Roberts       | Thank you, John answered my question...about 
                            | Enoch and the watchers. Also consider the 
                            | book of Jasher. . more about them.
       John Carpenter       | Jasher? Lost book of the Bible?
       Daniel Roberts       | Yes
       John Carpenter       | thanks
                            | ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Okay, Robin, ga
       ECL Robin            | Good point about the serpents on their 
                            | bellies.LOL 
                            | About reincarnation and spirituality,  I 
                            | recently had 
                            | regression hypnosis and discovered a memory 
                            | of an 
                            | ET encounter in 1265 AD in which I was 
                            | invited and 
                            | accepted the invitation to go their craft.  I 
                            | recieved an 
                            | implant which causes pain to this day, but 
                            | the pain is 
                            | a teaching tool for something specific. In 
                            | your 
                            | knowledge, Is this sort of experience fairly 
                            | common?
       John Carpenter       | Not enough info on that, but very 
                            | interesting. ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | D. Slade, ga
       D Slade              | John, are you saying the origin of  human 
                            | *religion* or worship has evolved  from Et 
                            | contact?  and not from within ourselves? 
                            | Thanks, 
                            | ga
                            | Is this all a fog?
       John Carpenter       | I think there has been a heavy influence -- 
                            | not 
                            | necessarily directly started but inspired. ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Jeannie, ga
        Jeannie/SL6         | Do you see, or have you seen ANY indication 
                            | that ET"S 
                            | presence will be validated publicly in any 
                            | form at any time in 
                            | the near future?
       John Carpenter       | I would hope so. It would lessen my load!! ga
                            | Oh---
                            | news flash
                            | from Japan
                            | Robert Dean and others
                            | were UN-invited
                            | to the opening of the new
                            | UFO museum.
                            | They say, "INVITATION ONLY".
                            | Is that not interesting????? ga
        Di&Jack/SL5         | John, that was our last question, we 
                            | can go informal now.  Please feel 
                            | free to stay on and chat.  WE really 
                            | appreciate your being with us 
                            | tonight and the information was 
                            | fascinating, can you join us again?
       John Carpenter       | I am not complacent, I hope. This is part of 
                            | my life 
                            | daily. But
                            | you must remember, I have heard predictions 
                            | and 
                            | prophecies for years even from some of my 
                            | best 
                            | cases
                            | and nothing ever came true. I do believe we 
                            | are
                            | in for some Earth changes and eventual open 
                            | contact,
                            | but I just don't have anything DEFINITE to 
                            | share
                            | with all of you. I must be responsible. After 
                            | all, there 
                            | are enough rumors to last for all of us. I 
                            | try to deal
                            | only with data, encounters, facts, science, 
                            | and the 
                            | effects on people -- including wonderful
       John Carpenter       | spirituality and growth, etc.
                            | Good night everyone. I must go pack for my
                            | trip to Chile, S.A. TOMORROW to speak at their
	                    | first UFO conference -- university sponsored 
                            | and 
                            | also by their Air Force I am told!        
        Ann F./ExecSYSOP    | John, thank you so much!
        Pete P./ExecSYSOP   | Thanks again, John. Great CO - as usual! <g>
        Di&Jack/SL5         | Thank you John, it has been a 
                            | pleasure having you here tonight.
       John Carpenter       | Thank you again!
                            | Good night
 
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 Due alieni sofferenti (grigi), sono stati catturati dai militari (base ESA)
Non erano grigi ma una tipologia piuttosto differente sia per il colore,
sia per alcuni particolari morfologici !
Saluti
-- 
Alessandro Torinesi
- Think different -

Mi sembra che gli "esseri" in questione si chiamino "chupacabras", ma non so
se si tratti di qualcosa che valga la pena di approfondire o meno. Da quanto
ho letto, non mancherebbero testimonianze di chi avrebbe visto questi specie
di "grigi" di colore rossastro, con occhi felini, artigli ed aspetto
piuttosto aggressivi. Sembrerebbe che si tratti di esseri molto sanguinari,
ma le mie conoscenze in merito sono limitate a questo.
Che ne dici, Alex?
Ciao
Antonio Bruno
http://members.xoom.it/Ass_Graal/
http://communities.msn.it/LaricercadelGraal
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assg...@katamail.com
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"Alex" <oldflame@VIA_inwind.it> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Si e' vero che erano leggermente differenti da quelli che noi chiamiamo
grigi.
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le fonti sono un domumentarrio andato in onda un paio di giorni fa su
discovery channel

 Che ne dici, Alex?
Il caso Varginha non riguarda i chupacabras ma esseri alieni umanoidi.
Si tratta, secondo molti ufologi, di uno degli ufo-crash piu' importanti
e significativi di sempre (addirittura per molti la sua rilevanza
supererebbe Roswell, se non altro per la vicinanza temporale dell'evento
e quindi la possibilita' di avere informazioni piu' "fresche" rispetto
al crash del '47 in New Mexico).
Ne parlo' diffusamente l'allora "Notiziario Ufo", ma non farai
assolutamente fatica a trovare informazioni in rete (eventualmente fai
un fischio se vuoi qualche link).
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