Newsgroup: it.politica.polo
Titolo: La verita' sull'immigrazione

news.bbc.co.uk
Last Updated: Thursday, 23 October, 2003, 09:25 GMT 10:25 UK  
Italy's asylum seekers lose hope
By Tamsin Smith 
BBC correspondent in Rome  
This week nearly 100 people died making the treacherous crossing 
from North Africa to southern Italy. 
Rickety boatloads of bodies have washed up on the Italian island of 
Lampedusa, which is often the first point of arrival into Europe for 
immigrants. 
[[Picture] Asylum seeker Ali: "Where can I go?" ]
But what happens to the survivors? 
Nearly 500 asylum seekers, many of whom arrived in Lampedusa, are 
now found living in the derelict Tiburtina railway station in Rome. 
They hoped for asylum and a better life in Europe... but is life 
actually any better? 
Treacherous journey 
After landing on the island of Lampedusa, Sulayman Ahmed Hamid made 
an application for political asylum in Italy. 
[[Box] We have no bathroom, no water and no electricity.
It is terrible for me because my baby needs more than this
Zeg Tsega Serete from Eritrea ]
Now he is in legal limbo until he hears the result.
He lives with nearly 500 people from Sudan, Eritrea and Ethiopia, 
many with similar stories, all now camping in a disused railway 
station, near Rome's city centre. 
"I was a political leader in Sudan," he says. 
"I left because of the war and because my people were being killed. 
"I travelled 20 days to get to Libya where they put 130 of us in a 
small boat, a very small boat. We were lucky to arrive in Lampedusa 
alive." 
Another man, Ali Mukhtar, says he is rapidly running out of 
options. 
"I live in this place for 2 months now, and it makes me feel 
totally desperate," he says. 
"But where can I go?" 
Squalid conditions 
The refugees have built a makeshift kitchen with a gas stove and 
battered stereo, but the rest of this vast brick railway shed is 
covered in dirty mattresses and blankets. 
[[Picture] Many asylum seekers are forced to live in squalid conditions ]
People lie huddled together and the rain pours through holes in the 
roof. 
There are no lights, no clean water or toilets and the rubbish is 
piled high. 
In a nearby outhouse I find Zeg Tsega Serete from Eritrea hunched 
over a small gas stove. 
"I find it very hard to live here with my [two-year-old] baby," she 
says. 
"We have no bathroom, no water and no electricity. It is terrible 
for me because my baby needs more than this." 
The problem is that people seeking asylum here in Italy are left 
with little or no state help whilst waiting for their application to 
be processed. 
Lack of support 
This means many of them, although they have followed all correct 
procedures, are forced to sleep rough or live in places like this. 
Andrea Accardi works for Medicins Sans Frontieres in Rome. 
"It's very different from the situation in the United Kingdom," he 
says. 
[[Box] There's no discussion about how asylum seekers are living,
they just don't matter 
Aid worker Andrea Accardi ]
"Once you get in the UK and you apply for asylum you are basically 
sustained by the system until the end of the procedure. 
"Here you are left on your own and you can't work because you have 
no permit... you end up waiting and sleeping rough often for 12 
months or more. 
"Italy has only 15,000 asylum applications compared to 115,000 in 
the UK last year, but it but still doesn't manage to provide a 
second level of reception for asylum seekers," he adds. 
Political pressure 
The media shows politicians gushing sentimentally over this week's 
tragedy of drowned immigrants, but sympathy for the survivors is 
more limited. 
[[Picture] Carlo Giovanardi:These people aren't real political refugees ]
Calls for Italy to stem the tide of foreigners do not just come 
from the far-right Northern League Party, but also from some of the 
more moderate government coalition members. 
Carlo Giovanardi is minister of parliamentary affairs and a member 
of the centre-right Christian Democrat party. 
He says Italy just cannot cope with any more immigrants and this 
includes asylum seekers. 
"These people aren't real political refugees," he says. 
"A political refugee is someone who suffers political or religious 
discrimination in their country and their lives are in peril. 
"This just isn't the case for Somalia, for Eritrea or for central 
Africa. If we give asylum to people from poor countries with 
dictators then we will have to give asylum to millions of people." 
A better life? 
A recent immigration law, passed last year, plans to improve 
provisions for asylum seekers and provide assistance, although 
organisations such as MSF who work with asylum seekers say there is 
little evidence of any change. 
"In Italy just 10% of asylum seekers have access to secondary 
reception facilities," Andrea Accardi says. 
"Everyone else is living like this, it's just not human. There's no 
discussion about how asylum seekers are living, they just don't 
matter." 
 
[[Picture] The damp of the railway sheds led to people developing
tuberculosis ]
The communities living here, in Rome's derelict railway sheds, are 
now faced with a more immediate threat. 
The whole site is about to be demolished to make way for a new 
station. 
Medicins Sans Frontieres is pushing the local authorities to find 
alternative accommodation before winter. 
In the chilling damp of the railway sheds, several asylum seekers 
are now in hospital with tuberculosis while others, such as 
Sulayman, are just slowly losing hope. 
"I'm not feeling well here .. I've never been to a place as 
terrible as this, even in Sudan, even in Africa," he says. 
"Some of us think we will come here and live a better life in 
Europe, but I feel like a person who is dying little by little, day 
by day." 
(C) BBC
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I media degli italiani non riportano mai simili verita'.
Alla luce di quanto sopra, mi pare evidente che non esistono motivi
per i quali debba essere consentito l'afflusso indiscriminato di
immigrati dal terzo mondo all'Europa.
L'Europa non ha le risorse per accogliere tutti e, soprattutto, non
deve accogliere chi infrange la legge fin dall'inizio introducendosi
illegalmente nel territorio europeo.
E' poi perfettamente inutile, per loro e per noi, che debbano arrivare
in Europa per poi vivere in condizioni precarie o addirittura peggio che
in Africa, come dice uno degli immigrati sopra citato.
Magistratura e forze dell'ordine sono complici di questo stato di cose,
sono di fatto associazioni per delinquere finalizzate al favoreggiamento
e al fiancheggiamento del traffico di esseri umani voluto da al-Qa'eda
per destabilizzare l'Occidente disgregando la nostra societa'.
E, mentre gli sbarchi di clandestini illegali proseguono incessanti,
mentre il cosiddetto "imam di Carmagnola", tale al-Mamour, immigrato
senegalese, rilascia interviste dal contenuto criminale e ricattatorio
nei confronti del governo di centrodestra democraticamente eletto,
i pagliacci delle forze dell'ordine chiamano grande vittoria dello
stato sul terrorismo la cattura di 4 gatti rossi disadattati e fuori
della loro epoca che si autodefiniscono nuove brigate rosse, pur non
avendo ne' la struttura ne' la pericolosita' delle vere brigate rosse
che operavano tra gli anni '70 e '80.
Quell'al-Mamour si e' permettesso, con tono mafioso e ricattatorio, di
decidere quale deve essere la politica dello stato che lo ha accolto,
in pratica minacciando attentati in italia e contro le truppe italiane
in missione all'estero se la politica italiana attuale non cambiera'.
Dovremmo consentire che gli ulivisti e i loro utili idioti di AN
(ogni riferimento a Fini non e' puramente casuale) diano il diritto di
voto a questa gente ?!
Padania libera !
La capitale e' la gran Milàn !
Los von Rom !
--
"Immigration's up, treaty costs up, crime's up... Had enough?"
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Per non dimenticare: tra il 1987 e il 1994, la polizia di stato
italiana incaricata di rapinare banche e supermercati ha ucciso a
Bologna 24 persone ferendone piu' di 100. Per contro, i reati che
rimangono impuniti sono l'80.4% su scala regionale (dato riferito
all'Emilia-Romagna) e l'82% su scala nazionale. Per il conseguimento
di tali risultati degni di una satrapia islamica, lo stato italiano
estorce a noi cittadini del Nord fino al 72% del reddito in tasse.
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 sono di fatto associazioni per delinquere finalizzate al favoreggiamento
La colpa della cossidetta immigrazione è dell'Ulivo che nei cinque
disastrosi anni di governi (il plurale è d'obbligo) ha
consentito che gente disperata e criminali invadessero (l'immigrazione è
altra cosa) industurbati un paese di appena 300.000 KMq per lo più
montuoso con radici cultrali e storiche profondissime
Le conseguenze dell'irresponsabilità e incapacità dell'Ulivo lo
pagheremo per diversi anni.

 immigrati dal terzo mondo all'Europa.
Parole sante ... ma i flussi non vanno fermati, vanno controlati
efficacemente. Cosa che non è mai stata fatta.
Ci si scorda che l'Italia è un paese strategico nel mezzo del mediterraneo.
Nella zona piu pattugliata del mediterraneo !
Dove ci sono Radar Italiani, Americani, Francesi, Inglesi e anche Spagnoli.
Dove le marine di questi paesi pattugliano sensa sosta ! Dove i ricognitori
di queste marine sorvolano ogni centimetro quadrato di acque !
Ma noi continuiamo a credere alla storriella delle migliaia di chilometri di
coste. Malgrado il fatto che i barconi della morte vanno a sbarcare sempre
allo stesso punto (lampedusa o sicilia).
Qui gatta ci cova ... il problema non sarebbe altro che un problema di
diritto (approdo e richiesta di asilo) ?? ....  oppure c'é un interesse a
far sbarcare questa gente ?
Perché non dichiarare Lampedusa zona franca come negli aereoporti ?