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salve, mi presento. Mi chiamo ugo è sono molto interessato alle 
tematiche dell'ufologia e del paranormale. 
Pensavo di dare un mio contributo ala discussione con l'estratto del 
libro  "Strangers among us" di Wayne C. Duke
spero vi possa interessare
ciao
There are many indications suggesting that certain humans have, 
in one way or another, been brought under the mental, technical or 
occult control of the 'reptilians' over the years, whether they are 
fully aware of this manipulation or not. Could the 'being' referred to 
in this account, which appeared on pp. 1136-1137 of Raymond A. 
Palmer's 'HIDDEN WORLD' publication for Summer, 1962, be the 
type of subterranean-dwelling creature which at least one account 
referred to as a creature that goes by the description of a 'dragon-
worm'? Could this creature (supposing it does in fact exist and is 
not the result of one man's deluded and misguided fantasy 
experience) be one of the MANY and VARIED branches or mutations 
of the 'serpent' races, which many accounts such as those given in 
earlier files tend to confirm exist within subterranean areas? We 
are afraid that accounts such as this one might raise more 
questions than they answer. Remember that this letter appeared 
years before the advent of the famous 'Star Wars' trilogy which 
depicted a creature very similar to that described in the following 
letter. Again one might wonder if George Lucas himself might not 
have been inspired subconsciously by certain evident realities, and 
portrayed some of these, although in a rather corrupted, 
embellished and 'occultized' manner, in his movies. The following 
account was submitted by a reader who chose to remain 
anonymous. He states: 
"Dear Ray: 
"This happened about 12 or 13 years ago. I was in my late teens, I 
think, but perhaps the time is not as important as the incident. 
"In the late night hours I awoke, got out of bed, walked out of the 
house and was met by a group of men (?) who drove me out into 
the country to an old farmhouse. I don't know the location any 
more than the people involved; maybe I was drugged, I don't 
know. At the farmhouse we went immediately to the potato cellar 
and through a trapdoor in the floor down a long inclining tunnel. 
We arrived into a room, fantastically decorated, bizarre, like Hades -
 how can I describe it? It was of good size; and others were 
present. Some one asked: 'Is he ready?' and the answer: 'Yes, he 
is.' Two 'others' - one on each side of me escorted me into a room? 
Tunnel? (again beyond my description) the worm, or whoever or 
whatever he or it was, was huge, long, round, knobby. An immense 
head and mouth (which swayed back and forth) spoke to me. I 
don't remember what it said or my answer, but one of them put a 
syringe into it, and then into me! I swear the language spoken by 
them and myself was not English, but somehow I seemed to know, 
yet but not know. After some kind of warning and benediction from 
this being I was escorted out. Once again the car, the return trip, 
and home in bed. Since that time I have once in awhile visited the 
caves quite unhindered... in dreams and the like 
(since 'suppressed' memories of experiences with UFO's, etc. often 
surface in 'dreams' or impressions, could these be actual memories 
of other visits to the nether regions which were suppressed from 
his memory? There is also the small chance that ray-induced visions 
or even 'astral' interaction might be involved as well - Branton). I 
can only comment that the knowledge of, and use of the mechs, 
the architecture, the philosophies in the pictures (or whatever they 
are), would enable man to live like gods in comparison to how they 
now live. However the areas of horror beyond comprehension 
would have to be removed before this can be done (Note: Is he 
referring to the so- called super-human abilities brought about 
through the manipulation of powerful electromagnetic occult 
technologies? We must remind the reader that 'power' has 
NOTHING to do with righteousness nor benevolence, or as the old 
saying goes: 'Might does not make right!' Such abilities to 
manipulate the forces of nature via occult technologies, such as 
those which were developed and utilized by the pre-deluvians - 
which by the way IN PART played a role in their destruction - and 
which is now being used by many of the inhabitants of the 
nether 'cavern' regions, could be extremely destructive if placed in 
the wrong hands - Branton). 
"An interesting sequel to this (dream or reality?) is that I have 
prayed, hard, that this wouldn't affect my life. I believe in some 
ways it hasn't, but my wife feels that something, as I also have felt, 
is not allowing me to live as I want to. Of course I want to know, 
was it dream or reality? (Name deleted by request)." 
The following letter appeared in the July, 1964 issue of 'SEARCH' 
Magazine, and was written by a Mr. Ervin M. Scott of (at the time) 
536 12th St., Denver, Colorado: 
"Dear Ray: 
"Congratulations on another excellent issue of 'SEARCH' Magazine. 
"I was especially interested in your article, 'Faces in Your Dreams.' 
"Having had many strange, puzzling dreams over the last few 
years, I have become quite interested in any clues that might point 
towards origin and cause of dreams. I recognize a good many as 
probably having the subconscious as the source. However, there is 
an occasional dream, that is so vivid and unusual that it causes one 
to wonder. 
"I have no connection one way or the other, on the Shaver 
Mystery, but, I will briefly describe two dreams that are interesting 
in relation to that subject. 
"On Nov. 30, 1963 while in a light sleep I heard a woman's voice 
coming as if from a distance and she spoke urgently as 
follows: 'This is from a stolen farm beneath the Salt Lake flats in 
Utah. (I was living in Wichita, Kansas at the time.) There was a 
woman abducted almost three weeks ago in Boston, Mass. and 
taken underground. Reports indicate that an abbey in North section 
of the city is being used and that cellars underneath the abbey 
connect with tunnels leading up from caverns below. This is a 
continuation of the Evil one's War against Mankind.' 
"Another voice broke in, 'Don't believe her. Don't you see this is a 
lie - a trick? (Then, warningly) Keep quiet about this.' 
"I have never been in Utah nor have had no thoughts about or 
desire to visit, so if this was caused by subconscious, it is certainly 
puzzling, as is the reference to 'a stolen farm'..." 
This letter suggests that a conflict of sorts has been and is taking 
place in cavernous levels below Utah, as in other states. 
In earlier files we revealed an incident which was originally 
described by 'Commander X', from a source in Dulce, N.M., stating 
that a certain chemical was secretly (through certain 'doctors' tied 
in with the aliens) being injected into individuals via sulfa drugs 
which in turn lodge in the bone- structure of the victim. This 
chemical allegedly makes their bodies extremely sensitive to ELF 
(Extremely Low Frequency) radio waves, which can be 'tuned in' to 
the encephalographic wave band of the human brain, and could 
apparently be used to subliminally control human minds from a 
distance. 
Perhaps some individuals, such as the writer of the letter just 
quoted, are naturally sensitive to these extremely low frequency 
waves, in that their brains to some extent act as an 
electromagnetic biological ELF radio receiver. Certain accounts 
suggest that some subterranean groups utilize ELF radio 
transceivers capable of penetrating miles of solid rock. The letter 
just quoted suggests that another group, more malevolent, utilize 
a similar form (of ELF radio wave transceivers) such as the one 
through which the woman apparently sent out the 'distress call'. 
Could this 'other' voice be tied-in with a subterranean group similar 
to the group that some refer to as the 'Horlocks'? Or could it have 
originated from the Reptilians? The 'Horlocks' are as we've 
suggested earlier allegedly a de-ro like group of human slaves who 
are manipulated and kept under reptilian control via implantation, 
technosis, etc. 
The Salt Lake Valley subnet has been a MAJOR area from where 
reports of Reptilians or Sauroids have emerged, so this would 
strongly suggest that the Serpent Race fits intricately into the 
scenario taking place below the Salt Lake 'flats' as well. Also, 
Dougway Military 'Proving' grounds which lies on the Salt Flats has 
been another source of some very strange activities according to 
certain sources, including high-tech research in 'subspace 
teleportation' similar to that involved in the so-called 'Philadelphia 
Experiment' as it is described in Charles Berlitz' book of the same 
name; sightings of UFO's and 'para-humans'; much Top Secret 
activity; underground tunnels, etc. According to Thomas C., the 
former Dulce Base security officer who 'defected' from the 
underground empire, Dougway is a definite 'entrance' to the U.S. 
subnet. Some have even suggested that due to the high publicity 
that the Nevada Military Complex is receiving as a result of 
exposition of 'joint' activity and infiltration of the complex by alien 
forms, much of the reptilian and reptilian- controlled underground 
activity may be moving across the border into western Utah. 
From what we've been able to gather (from different sources, 
including a Salt Lake physicist who had experienced her own 
abductions; a man who worked in top secret positions at Dougway 
Proving Ground; a Salt Lake security officer who is knowledgeable 
of the Salt Lake Police Departments own awareness of the 
underground systems; as well as others) the following 
subterranean related accounts may very well be true. 
The first settlers of the Salt Lake Valley, our sources indicate, after 
they first entered the area, discovered a network of ancient 
tunnels below the ground that seemed to converge beneath what 
is now downtown Salt Lake City. Some of these tunnels, it was 
found, led east and connected with 'Huge' cavern networks DEEP 
beneath the Wasatch Range of the Western Rockies. 
Some indications seem to suggest that a human civilization, 
possibly pre-dating the American 'Indians', were encountered in 
these caverns and that a loose 'alliance' might have resulted 
between this society and certain Federal 'officials' (FBI, etc.) in the 
city above. There are also indications that some of these may have 
a connection with the subterranean group known as the Telosians, 
based largely beneath Mt. Shasta, California. Some years ago 
the 'Telosian' Bonnie (Sharula), who was mentioned in an earlier 
File, informed one researcher that the tunnels below Salt Lake do 
exist and that some Telosians live and work in the surface society 
along the Wasatch front, as well as other areas around the U.S. 
This was a few years before certain people who claimed to have 
actually been inside these tunnels themselves began to relate their 
experiences, thus confirming Bonnie's or Sharula's claims. 
'Bonnie' also stated that her people maintain a huge underground 
base in the mountains adjacent to Big Cottonwood Canyon just 
east of Salt Lake. 
An Air Force pilot who was involved in top secret Air Force photo-
recon flights several years ago, who referred to himself as 'Mel 
Noel', claimed to have seen and photographed numerous UFO's 
over the ROCKY MOUNTAINS of Utah, Idaho, etc. on several 
occasions, the first encounter involving 16 disks which broke 
formation and went into an incredible display of aerial acrobatics. 
Their commanding general claimed to have had personal contact 
with the HUMAN occupants of these craft, who he described as 
being very attractive physically, and benevolent although very 
secretive. They claimed to hail from underground cities beneath 
other planetary bodies in this solar system as well as underground 
cities BELOW the surface of the earth (ie. the Rockies, etc.?). They 
also told this Air Force general that their 'Tribunal', based on one of 
the Saturnian moons, ties this interplanetary 'Solar' alliance 
together. Another man, Guy Kirkwood, came forward in the early 
1990's describing an almost identical experience as Mel Noel's. 
Some even believe that Kirkwood is none other than the 
notorious 'Mel Noel' who caused such a stir among early UFOlogists 
during the 'contactee' waves of the 1950's and '60's. 
In order to protect the privacy of our 'sources' we will identify them 
only by their initials. 
K.S. has related many accounts concerning alien-type encounters in 
Utah, including the Salt Lake Valley area. These stories range from 
encounters with Nordic-type blond humans walking incognito 
among the inhabitants of the valley (K.S. was allegedly visited by a 
group of blondes claiming to be from the Pleiades who left with her 
a very interesting crystal-powered 'communicating' device), 
confrontations with sinister MIB-like beings of both human 
and 'androidal' configurations who have also been seen infiltrating 
the upper city, and at least one incident involving apparent conflict 
between the 'Blond'(?) and MIB groups. This involved a UFOlogist 
who was rather outspoken in his search for underground bases, 
UFO landing strips and the like. One day while talking to an 
employee of a place which sold topographical maps--asking about 
some strange circular markings and roads that seemed to dead-
end in cliffs, etc. in maps of the Nevada military--he noticed that he 
was being closely monitored by two 'Blondes'(?) or a another group 
possibly connected with the government. Suddenly a 'man' dressed 
in black came into the place and immediately noticed the people 
who were observing the UFOlogist. When this man saw these 
people he seemed to recognize them or their kind and he turned in 
terror and almost ran from the place. One has to wonder what that 
was all about. 
K.S. has described several areas in the state of Utah which have 
had definite connections with UFO's, possibly being 'base' sites. 
These include the La Sal mountains and Monroe mountain in 
southern Utah and mountains east of Salt Lake and Ogden where 
reports of strange underground bases, UFO encounters, hidden 
caverns and hidden 'landing strips' for 'alien' craft abound, as well 
as the MAJOR subnet beneath Salt Lake City itself. 
She described one incident during which she experienced a 
considerable amount of 'missing time'. This took place after she and 
a friend of hers, knowing her interest in UFO's, offered to show her 
a place where she could observe 'UFO's taking off and landing.' 
They subsequently traveled in a dune buggy to the southeast, 
several miles up the 'Nebo Loop' road into the mountains behind 
Payson, Utah, in the general direction of Mt. Nebo. Some miles up 
the canyon her friend suddenly left the road and for the next hour 
or so they traveled along rough terrain until they suddenly 
emerged over the lip of an ENCLOSED valley surrounded by 
mountains on all sides. At the bottom of the valley were several 
deer drinking from a small swampy-like lake or pond. She claimed 
that she experienced several hours of missing time. After the 
incident her watch would not operate. She described a feeling 
of 'fear' that permeated the valley and she alleged that she could 
actually 'feel' something, or several 'somethings' watching her. 
Since the greys are often described as instilling fear or body terror 
in their victims, along with other indications, it might be possible 
that this particular 'base' area is now largely under reptilian control. 
We admit that this is just a supposition. Whether or not this 'base' 
has been taken over in part or in full by the malevolents, there may 
be indications that this might not always have been the case. 
This 'hidden valley' is supposedly some miles east of the area of 
Salem and Payson, Utah and MAY be one of the STANDOFF areas 
between humans and reptilians such as were described by various 
sources connected with the Nevada Test Site. This area of activity 
seems to move southward into the La Sal mountain range. 
This account is very similar to another incident which was related 
several years ago by a German national who we will refer to as T.S. 
Just east of the small town of Salem, Utah there is an area known 
as water canyon. According to local legend, this was the site of an 
ancient gold mine which had been excavated by a pre-Columbian 
race of native Americans who lived in the valley, perhaps when it 
was still part of the ancient Lake Bonneville which connected the 
Salt and Utah valleys and generally filled the entire Great Basin 
area. Today one can still see the ancient pictographs above what is 
believed to be one of the collapsed entrances to this ancient mine. 
These include pictograms depicting 'llama-like' animals entering a 
tunnel bare-backed while another line of animals is seen emerging 
from the ground fully laden - supposedly with gold. The pictograms 
have been vandalized over the years but are still observable to 
some extent. Many people have attempted to enter this alleged 
mine through digging, but have been frightened away by some 
(sinister?) supernatural force. 
T.S. had stayed in this area after World War II and had heard 
rumors of a 'hidden' or 'forbidden' valley in the mountains to the 
southeast of Spanish Fork. With permission, he and a friend drove 
their truck up the dirt road which winds it's way up Water Canyon 
and then south into the mountains (the entrance of this road is on 
private property, and is usually closed). 
They travelled a considerable distance up the mountain. Eventually 
they made their way southward for some time, possibly leaving 
their car and travelling the rest of the way on foot. (The entire 
journey to and from the area. he claimed, lasted 3 days, although 
he did not say how much of this time was spent travelling). Finally, 
they came to the lip of a 'hidden valley', which they were told 
earlier was situated between or behind the peaks (the same one 
described by K.S.?), where they immediately saw some weird 
copper-like coils strewn over the ground, as well as some kind of 
bluish dust. Just then a silvery disk emerged from the valley below 
and hovered near them. Out of it emerged a creature which T.S. 
could only describe as being robot-like. The next thing they 
remembered the object was gone and approximately 1 1/2 hours of 
their time was missing and unaccounted for, although T.S. did 
faintly recall something about an underground installation. T.S. had 
his watch, but his friend soon realized that his own watch was 
missing. Strangely enough, this watch turned up a few days later in 
an unmarked package in his mailbox. 
This incident took place in the mid-1940's or a little later, and the 
fact that the watch was returned suggests that humans might 
have been largely involved with this 'base' at that time. One of our 
researchers personally investigated this story by traveling up this 
particular road, which eventually turns south and ends at the top of 
a peak south of water canyon where a transmitter tower is located. 
A large trail proceeds from a 'fenced' area adjacent to the road just 
east of this tower and continues towards a ridge to the south. 
Once at the top of this ridge one can see a box-like canyon to the 
northwest which eventually meanders down to the Utah Valley 
floor, and on the other side the now abandoned town of Thistle 
and the Spanish Fork river to the east and southeast, but no 
hidden or enclosed valley. There is however a much higher ridge 
south of this one which would take a good deal of hiking to get to, 
and from the top of which one MIGHT be able to see the alleged 
hidden valley. This researcher did not continue as it was becoming 
dark and he was not equipt to spend the night. 
The later event described by K.S. suggests that reptilian entities 
might have been involved in her experiences. This may 
substantiate a suspicion we have had that the caverns beneath 
the Wasatch Mountains were at one time largely controlled by 
humans, and that within recent decades (whether through covert 
manipulation or overt invasion) the Reptilians have taken 
possession of many of these underground systems in what some 
might refer to as a Tero-Dero like conflict. As for the Salem-Payson, 
Utah 'base', other people have described UFO sightings in the 
mountains behind and southeast of this area as well. 
The researcher mentioned earlier recently tried an experiment. He 
assumed that if there were people living in the area who had 
INTIMATE knowledge of this particular 'base', that they might 
eventually peruse through the 'UFO section' of the local library for 
one reason or another (in this case the Spanish Fork library, 
adjacent to Salem). He deposited some information (concerning 
recent revelations about the growing human-saurian conflict, etc., 
which had surfaced in the UFO research community) inside one of 
the UFO books there. He returned a couple of weeks later to see if 
the 'bait' had been taken. The data was gone, but in it's place he 
was surprised to find a written 'warning' which was signed by 
the 'REPTILES'. Either this was a prank on the part of a skeptic who 
had gotten their hands on the information he deposited, or 
the 'Reptiles' really did 'have his number'. Whatever may be 
involved here, which we do suspect has something to do with 
a 'standoff' between humans and Reptilians, we are certain that 
there are humans involved who are sincerely interested in 
defending our society from these infernal alien creatures. The 
warning stated: 'WE KNOW YOUR SECRET. WATCH OUT! FURTHER 
PUBLICATIONS WILL BE LIFE THREATENING. - REPTILES.' 
This event, compared with the one which T.S. experienced almost 
45 years earlier, suggests that the 'human forces' in this area 
might still be engaged in a 'stand-off' and that the Reptilians had 
apparently gained some ground there to the point of being able to 
operate in surface society. The only explanations we have of how 
the 'Reptiles' might have been able to deposit the 'warning' in a 
library book would be that the chameleons, MIB, or possibly even 
a 'tranced' and implanted human being under their control was 
responsible. 
Those who receive such threats should not be concerned, however, 
as there is much evidence that the reptilians are more afraid of 
humanity than we are of them. True, it's easy for these useless 
vermin to kidnap children, mutilate animals and human beings, and 
perform horrible genetic experiments while all the time hiding 
courageously in their protected subterranean lairs. But will these 
unnatural abominations against nature dare to take on mankind 
out in the open? 
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 libro  "Strangers among us" di Wayne C. Duke
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Giancarlo