Newsgroup: it.discussioni.ufo
Titolo: COVER UPS???

We really have to look at the "bottom line" when we talk of the various
"cover ups", "conspiracy" theories etc., relating to Roswell and UFO
activity in general.
Ask yourself; Why would the Government, American or British, wish to cover
up an event such as Roswell?
Let me paint a scenario:-
Something occurs in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, it could be a crash of a
US test aircraft, meteor, or indeed a spacecraft from another galaxy. Why
are we so surprised that the government may have covered up the event?
At the time the cold war was in full swing, the idea of dealing a double
bluff to those "Godamn' Ruskies" was an attractive option, even if it was a
weather balloon; "At least those Commies don't no what we've got!"
So let's for the moment consider that the Americans had indeed recovered a
spacecraft from another galaxy. At the end of the day what would have been
their "bottom line" intention? It could only have been to investigate and
exploit the discovery for one or all of the following ends:-
1.	To increase political power and credibility.
2.	To increase Military power.
3.	To benefit US Economic development and wealth.
Well after 50 years if the Americans do have a "saucer" they have been
spectacularly unsuccessful in exploiting it!! No developments in the last
50 years could vaguely have been attributed to some kind of
extraterrestrial technology that has been exploited.
Oh, and before anyone starts drivelling about possible "stealth saucers"
and secret military programmes, may I remind you that the first thing any
government does when it has developed some world beating military
technology is to shout about it from the roof tops; and then sell it to
"friendly" regimes.
The atom bomb development was top secret but once developed, our capability
was vehemently made public!
The only conclusion that can be drawn is that there is no "cover up" let
alone a captured extraterrestrial spacecraft, if there was, and its
technology had not been utilised or understood, then at least the Americans
would have exploited it as a money spinning Theme Park in New Mexico!!
charles...@btinternet.com

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#We really have to look at the "bottom line" when we 
#talk of the various "cover ups", "conspiracy" 
#theories etc., relating to Roswell and UFO activity 
#in general. 
#
#Ask yourself; Why would the Government, American or 
#British, wish to cover up an event such as Roswell?
#
#Let me paint a scenario:-
#
#Something occurs in Roswell, New Mexico in 1947, 
#it could be a crash of a US test aircraft, meteor,
#or indeed a spacecraft from another galaxy. Why
#are we so surprised that the government may have 
#covered up the event? At the time the cold war was
#in full swing, the idea of dealing a double
#bluff to those "Godamn' Ruskies" was an attractive 
#option, even if it was a weather balloon; "At least
#those Commies don't no what we've got!"
#
#So let's for the moment consider that the Americans
#had indeed recovered a spacecraft from another galaxy.
#At the end of the day what would have been
#their "bottom line" intention? It could only have
#been to investigate and exploit the discovery for
#one or all of the following ends:-
#
#1. To increase political power and credibility.
#2. To increase Military power.
#3. To benefit US Economic development and wealth.
#
#Well after 50 years if the Americans do have a
#"saucer" they have been spectacularly unsuccessful
#in exploiting it!! No developments in the last
#50 years could vaguely have been attributed to some
#kind of extraterrestrial technology that has been
#exploited. Oh, and before anyone starts drivelling
#about possible "stealth saucers" and secret military
#programmes, may I remind you that the first thing any
#government does when it has developed some world
#beating military technology is to shout about it from
#the roof tops; and then sell it to "friendly" regimes.
#
#The atom bomb development was top secret but once
#developed, our capability was vehemently made public!
#
#The only conclusion that can be drawn is that there
#is no "cover up" let alone a captured extraterrestrial
#spacecraft, if there was, and its technology had not
#been utilised or understood, then at least the Americans
#would have exploited it as a money spinning Theme Park
#in New Mexico!!
  Well said Charles. But there are a few points I
must dissagree with.
  First, I will state that I do not believe in
visiting aliens from a far away galaxy.
  Second, you state:
#The only conclusion that can be drawn is that there
#is no "cover up"... 
 This is incorrect. It is your opinion, it may be a
valid one, but it is definitely noy the ONLY
conclusion.
 I think there is a "cover up", and for those who
also believe this, the question is "What is being 
covered up?"
 You also state:
#Ask yourself; Why would the Government, American or 
#British, wish to cover up an event such as Roswell?
 How bout Man Made Flying Disc technology!
 You said yourself that:
# At the time the cold war was in full swing, 
# the idea of dealing a double bluff to those 
# "Godamn' Ruskies" was an attractive option,
# even if it was a weather balloon; "At least
# those Commies don't no what we've got!"
  It is a fact that the Nazi's were developing
disc type aircraft. Schauberger, Miethe, the
Hortens, and Schriever to name a few.
  After the allied invasion the Russians 
attempted to get their hands on
this technology as much as the US did.
  The so called "Poject PaperClip" was an operation
to get as many NAZI engineers and scientists we
could, before the dreaded Russians did.
  Look at a map, at the military or secret
test sites were for:
  1) Nuclear testing
  2) Rocket testing
  3) Military Reservations
  The fact is, within a relatively SHORT distance from
Roswell there are THREE known sites, Kirkland AFB and
Sandia Military Reservations, the Trinity Atomic Test 
Site, and White Sands Missile Test Range.
  Now if the so called project "Project PaperClip"
is true, where do you think they would have brought
these germans, etc, to develope Disc Flight Technology?
  I would suggest somewhere in that same general "AREA".
  And If one of these disc crafts crashed, what do
you think the military response would be?? Its not
difficult to see that the "Alien" story is a perfect
covert cover!!!!!
 Ah, but now we must ask the question why is this
technology STILL not disclosed?? Well there are
many reasons for this. But my favorite is "Energy
Automony", and "Anti-Gravity" technologies.
 Ok so what is the gvnmt we refer to so frequently
in these news groups?? Who really is in control??
Is that answere really that difficult?? I think Not.
  The elected officials are not, they are clueless
to the development of this technology.
  The military? Nope, not them either. It would be too
much of a risk to have the military invloved in this
also.
  Why not the gvnmt agencies as the NSA and USAEC/DOE??
BINGO! Who can order these agencies around? The answere
is NO ONE. Who appoints these people? Answere, themselves
for the most part. Who can these people order around?
The answere, anyone they wish. Who if anyone could
control the NSA and USAEC/DOE? That's an easy one,
the rich and wealthy of that era stating about 1920,
like maybe the Standard Oil companies and their
primary owners. And other wealthy persons and families
with a large hand in commerce, oil, banks, etc.
  Im my opinion, a man made flying disc crahsed near
Roswell, but its was not built by the so called military
as we no it.
  I believe we have to stop pestering the Armed Forces
for the truth. They probably have been a victom of
disinformation almost has much as the citizens!
IMHO:
 The Michelson-Morley experiment had false interpretations. 
The aether does exist, and so does the possibility of a
virtually free energy technology and anit-gravity.
 The wealthy money mongers of the 1920's new this, and
drove the scientific development (away from this technology)
since that time. They also obtained STRONG GRIPS on the
NSA and USAEC/DOE. They run the SHOW.
 For those of you looking for aliens as the answere, you 
are looking in the wrong place.
 For those of you looking at the Military for answeres, 
you are looking in the wrong place.
 For those of you looking at the scientific community for
the answeres to this technology, you are looking in the
wrong place (for now).
 I'm ready to debate anything I have stated, and if you
you can convince me that I am wrong, than fine I'll admit
it and will become a staunch debunker like our friendy
DVM!
 So, the most likely response will be, "You can't prove
this.", "You can't prove anything without physical
evidence."
 Unfortunately, this is true.
 But wouldn't it be neat if the public started its 
own area 51 type research??? But where instead of 
everything being kept secret, everything is made public.
Where the puplic could prove this "virtually free energy"
and "anti-gravity" deal, without the help of our biased
scientific community. Where as a public forum anyone is 
invited to take a closer look at the work of Searl, Hamel, 
Schauberger and others and see if in fact there is anything 
to this technology. Where no secrets are allowed, all 
knowledge obtained is public knowledge, and no patents would
be sought. Wouldn't it be interesting if the John Searl 
camp a la John A. Thomas Jr. and the David Hamel camp 
a la Pierre Sinclaire got together and disclosed more 
information (than they already have) and then see if as 
a public venture this technology can be made a reality.
 So if it is proven that this technology works, what 
does it prove concerning a "Cover Up"? EVERYTHING. 
Searl first discovered this technology 1946, not as 
a scientist, but as a tinkerer. Later, the gvnmts
and scientific community refused his findings. So the 
logical assumption therefore is, that they refused it 
because they already had it.
Regards
dp