Newsgroup: it.comp.console.playstation
Titolo: new DW forum on Egroups.com

 anything. Just download an IRC client and join the fun!
Tom, Tom... no need to convince me -- I'm a regular!!! We were talking not
too long ago. Nathan's even put me up on
http://www.crl.com/~nathanr/dwclinks.html
 a month or two ago :)
So, I know how many people use the channel -- and even 50 is small potatoes
compared to the recipients of DW mailing lists (which is what I was
comparing DW IRC channels to), with even a niche mailing list like Who Ink
attracting 130(?) 140(?) people.
Cheers,
RI
--
Posted from 
shed.pipex.net
 [158.43.128.176]
via Mailgate.ORG Server - 
http://www.mailgate.org

attracting 130(?) 140(?) people.
My concern about the proliferation of mailing groups is that the
conversation can be spread too thin across them. I'm on several mailing
lists but it is only this one and Jade Pagoda, and the Barmy Army I actually
use for any regular conversation.
The problem comes when when the subject span of each list gets too small, or
there is another list to discuss the BBV releases or something. The way i
view this list as one that discusses the /whole/ of the phenomenum that is
Doctor Who, that is the past, the present and the future, together with
spin-offs and the like. The nice thing about this is that one can go from
discussing the Eye of Harmony to the Dominae and Alice, to the Bernice New
Adventures, to the comic strip, to the PROBE videos to the scare factor of
the Daleks to the criminally neglected concept of the Cybermen (how many
stories actually treat them as anything other than mere Zombies or anything
that couldn't have been replaced by, say,  the Sontarans in the story?)
The Barmy army is loads of Bernice collected banter, and the Jade Pagoda
seems to be a load of friends sometimes dragging the conversation back on
topic :o)
But this list has great potential.
'The original and best' need not merely be a Kelloggs-related tagline
Brax
---
'Normal? Normal! What an insult - I'm never normal!'
Eye of Orion issue five, details at 
www.dellah.freeserve.co.uk
'the calibre of the writing and originality of the contents is second to
none.'
- Darren Allen, DWAS Social Secretary


 'The original and best' need not merely be a Kelloggs-related tagline
Agreed! A dream scenario would be for the owner of this list to take it to a
really great service like OneList, and try to encourage all the smaller,
newer lists to join it. Funnily enough, this might not result in many "new"
recruits as most of us are spread across numerous DW lists already so we
don't miss anything! it's just the egos of all the list owners that need to
be stroked in a situation like this.
Anyone good at diplomacy? :)
RI


In a message dated 12/26/99 9:59:14 PM, 
r...@policebox.com
 writes:
<<So, I know how many people use the channel -- and even 50 is small potatoes
compared to the recipients of DW mailing lists (which is what I was
comparing DW IRC channels to), with even a niche mailing list like Who Ink
attracting 130(?) 140(?) people.>>
Yes, but it's self-selected. There's no law keeping people away from IRC - 
it's not like you have to be invited to show up on #drwhochat or something. 
Using IRC is nowhere near as easy as receiving e-mail - but it's not that 
hard, either. I mean, if *I* could figure it out, so could everyone else...
Tom Beck


In a message dated 12/27/99 10:03:25 AM, 
r...@policebox.com
 writes:
<<That's right. I mean, let's be honest. DW is a dying show. Well, actually, 
I'll be even more controversial and say that it's a *dead* show. And if 
anyone who wants to argue that can show me the series I have been missing 
between 89 and 99, I'm happy to hear from you.>>
Depends what you're looking for. Construed precisely, yes, of course DW is a 
dead show - only one episode in the past decade, assuming you consider the 
1996 TVM to be a real episode.
(There were also the 2 "missing" episodes that were returned during the 1990s 
- "Tomb of the Cybermen" in its entirety and part 1 of "The Crusade". Not 
literally "new," perhaps, but certainly new to most of us.)
Construed more broadly, there are plenty of signs of life in the old 
franchise. Dozens of original novels, numerous collections of short stories, 
a monthly magazine, many video releases, a few audio releases - and that's 
just the professional merchandise. Count all the fan-fic, fan-vids, fan art, 
conventions, Internet, etc., and the picture, to me, at least, is much 
brighter than you paint. Plus all of Bill Baggs's stuff.
That doesn't even consider the new Big Finish audios. Do those count? They 
certainly do in my book.
If the absolute only thing you will consider to be a sign of life in the 
franchise is a new weekly series produced by the BBC, then I think you're 
destined to be disappointed for a long time to come. (I refuse to think that 
it will *never* happen, however. That's just my own eternal optimism.) If, on 
the other hand, you are willing to look for the good where you can find it 
(an approach I think the Doctor himself would endorse), there are signs of 
life. And where there's life, there's...
Hope. That's the word I'm looking for. I commend it to all of you, too.
Happy 2000!


 hard, either. I mean, if *I* could figure it out, so could everyone
else...
But if we go by your logic, the IRC channel should have far more people than
the discussion groups ("There's no law keeping people away from IRC - it's
not like you have to be invited to show up on #drwhochat or something.), but
it does not.
Now I'm confused.
RI


 RI
So am I - I don't know *WHY* more people aren't showing up on #drwhochat - we'd certainly enjoy having more of you join us there.
Tom Beck


 Anyone good at diplomacy? :)
Please don't join a service such as onelist. Once you join such a list on
onelist, you aren't even allowed to remove yourself. They keep spamming you
even if you send numerous removal requests.
So I would never join a onelist mailing list.
You will never succeed in encouraging some of these newer lists you mention,
take it from me. They might start a flamewar or something instead, it's typical
of those services. Sorry, I think this list should continue as it is. It has
worked great so far. Why ruin it with onelist or similar services.
Also, take a list such as my TrekWho-L. Currently there are 96 members,
but some time ago, there was more than 200 members. It works fine, with
a majordomo program I myself configured many years ago. Again, some members
will probably be on other lists such as this one.  Sometimes the list is
quiet, then it picks up again.
I could decide to give over my list to merge with Chuck's as I think Chuck
runs a mailing list the way they should be run, but what does it change
or improve? More people on a list perhaps. But it does not necessarily
make a list better, you might get a lot of noise (of the off-topic variety)
instead! Again my list doesn't just cover Doctor Who, it also covers Star Trek,
and crossover fanfic.
Regards,
Clyde
http://www.cis.um.edu.mt/staff/cmeli/lists/trekwho.html


don't miss anything!
In which case all that's needed is for everyone to choose one of those lists
to post to :)
Paul
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and solely for the intended addressee(s). Unauthorised reproduction, disclosure, modification, and/or distribution of this email may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect those of LIFFE (Holdings) Plc or any of its subsidiary companies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------


As well, this list allows you to post without having an advertising tag
added to either the top or bottom of the message.
I like the non-commercial nature of the list.
William


 Hmm. Why OneList rather than the service a it stands?
Good question. For mine, OneList is faster & very reliable. It's also very
easy to configure and manage you accounts from a Web interface, eg:
switching between receiving each message / receiving a daily digest /
reading posts off a Web site, etc.
RI


 and crossover fanfic.
Then, IMHO, that's a list that should stand alone as it's reasonably unique.
If we go back to my original post, I am all-for lists that are unique, or
need to be on their own (eg: Who Ink) for some reason, but lists that dicuss
"Doctor Who" in general, could (and I think, should) be joined.


reading posts off a Web site, etc.
Digests are available on most mailing lists, although I'll grant you OneList
gives an easy way to manage them.
Paul
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The information contained in this e-mail is confidential and solely for the intended addressee(s). Unauthorised reproduction, disclosure, modification, and/or distribution of this email may be unlawful. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your system. The views expressed in this message do not necessarily reflect those of LIFFE (Holdings) Plc or any of its subsidiary companies.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
--


 gives an easy way to manage them.
*nod*
I really like the Web interfaces there.
Rob


only on one list or the other.
quite - I am only several lists because I like to stay abreast of the
discussions.
You do see a few of the same topics crossing over sometimes. For example, a
thread on Allen Road recently crossed over to Jade Pagoda.
It can be frustarting to have spent weeks discussing something, then someone
saying 'but isn't such and such?' and having to lay out the points all over
again.
Brax
---
'Normal? Normal! What an insult - I'm never normal!'
Eye of Orion issue five, details at 
www.dellah.freeserve.co.uk
'the calibre of the writing and originality of the contents is second to
none.'
- Darren Allen, DWAS Social Secretary


people post to one or two lists anyway, why not just stick with them?
because interesting discussions/people are not limited to just two lists.
Look at this list, for example, until a few weeks ago it was practically
dead, all lists have periods of naturally dormancy, so subscribing to more
than one list with things as they stand means that one can shift focus from
one lit to another from time to time. For me, Jade Pagoda is a home from
home, but at the moment things are quiet. Allen Road is sleepy at the best
of times, and this list is in a period of expansion.
