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Titolo: The list is dying on it's arse

Dear all - I've been on this list for what, must be five years now, and I've
never seen it with such low traffic and such inane (sorry to offend anyone)
and regularly repeated conversation. Topics such as "Who is your favourite
Doctor" and "Did you like the TVM" have been done to death on this list
already, and there seems to be no forward-looking conversation. I hate to
say it, but when you look at the discussions on lists like 'The JadePagoda', it
seems it's no longer worth subscribing as the conversation which remains is
recognisable only by its paucity of insight, which is a shame when a year or 2
ago this list was a buzzing and vibrant place.
Out of interest could I ask subscribers which other WHO lists or Newsgroups
they subscribe to, and how they rate them in terms of content and quantity
?
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 they subscribe to, and how they rate them in terms of content and quantity
rec.arts.drwho - great, if you can find the gems buried in the crap. About
300 posts per day.
Jade Pagoda - excellent mailing list, but going through a phase of off-topic
posting at the mo. At least 50 emails per day. In imminent danger of moving
from its current Listbot home to Onelist.
alt.drwho.creative - great for fiction etc.
Nothing else (DRWHO-L, Allen Road, any of the misc. web-based chat forums)
are worth bothering with IMHO.
This is probably the first - and last - message I've sent here!
    Paul
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Anyone on the list planning to attend GallifreyOne in Feb?
Also, I'm looking for some fellow fans in Portland, OR to start
up some sort of viewing group.  If you're in the area, let me
know...
Cheers,
Kirk
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Well, one of the obvious motivations for a good discussion on the list is
to embark on one yourself. I noticed that hardly anybody wanted to reflect
on the passing of Survival's anniversary, and nobody "bit" the comment on
no more television adventures except for a couple of comments.
I've run this list for, what is it now, seven years, and it always goes
through cycles of lethargy followed by frantic messages on some subject or
other. That's the way people are, I guess. There hasn't been anything
really exciting recently to get your teeth into.
Still, if you think the list needs livening up then feel free to do so
yourselves. The membership is, after all, what makes it!
Chuck
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Actually, until just a couple of weeks ago all of my mail from the various
lists all dumped into the same "DW" mailbox.  I never pay much attention to
which list something is coming from unless I am thinking about responding.
Since I ignore most threads anyway, I don't notice that the worn-out ones
are coming from a particular list.  The popularity and prolific nature of
Onelist may be a contributing cause to the low traffic here.  Seems like
everybody and anybody will start a new list now.  If you're on 10 or 12 like
I am, you don't notice if one or two are rather slow.
Actually, I just looked, and I'm on 17.  What I do notice is that when
someone cross-posts, I get way too many copies of their post.
It seems that Chuck has the info function disabled, so I can't easily get a
list of non-concealed members to see whether numbers have dwindled.
Signing off now!
JAKG
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In a message dated 12/15/99 12:54:23 PM, 
kl...@technologist.com
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<<Anyone on the list planning to attend GallifreyOne in Feb?>>
Me of course.
Tom Beck
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I am, and I can't wait, considering Peter Davison is my favorite Doc.=)
-Jenny
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<<Anyone on the list planning to attend GallifreyOne in Feb?>>
Yep.
Paul
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 Yep.
Nope
Sorry, couldm't resist...
RI
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 Sorry, couldm't resist...
I think one of the points last night was that these little "witticisms"
don't really help the list along much, and certainly increases the noise
ratio to content. Whilst I see all messages as they arrive and can delete
the ones I don't want to see its a bit more difficult for digest readers!
Please could we reply to such messages back to the author, rather than
letting the whole list know.
Thanks!
Chuck
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You know you said about the question "Who is your favourite doctor?" 
Well I am offended by that because:
A. I was the person who asked it.
B. I have only recently joined the list and I want to get to know everyone.
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 B. I have only recently joined the list and I want to get to know everyone.
Neither is a reason to be offended by it. As I understand it, the person
was talking about the *topic*, and the (somewhat listless?...no pun
intended) repetition of the same topics and conversations. I suspect
that no one aside from yourself even considered that it might be taken
as offensive; I'm nearly certain that it was not intended that way.
And looking at it from a slightly different perspective; this would have
been said eventually, and *someone* would have started the thread which
prompted it to be said, so *someone* would have had to be in the
position you're in now. That it was you is purely a matter of
coincidence.
And a tip (probably a bad one, knowing me): I find that an effective way
to get to know the people on a mailing list (or for that matter a
newsgroup; I'm currently trying to catch up to alt.callahans...) is to
just *lurk* there, reading *everything*, and paying attention to who
says and does what. In time you'll know the listmembers fairly well.
Most of them will probably have never heard of *you*, of course; but
that's the only major drawback of this method that I'm aware of.
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Sent: Thursday, December 16, 1999 7:03 PM
Subject: Re: The list is dying on it's arse
Hi
My fav Doctor is Jon Pertwee,fac story Spearhead from space.
My name is Gary Knight i live in a town called hatfield in the UK.I am 34yrs
old and i have been colecting Dr Who stuff for about 10 yrs i 96 prerecorded
videos and other dr who colectables ,my fav being a signed photo of Jon
Pertwee.
                             GAZ
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try visiting this site
Brax
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Bricey
quite
a cliched question it may be, but it always reveals us and makes interesting
reading. Besides cliches are only cliched because that is the kind of thing
that people want to know
I'd say it was a fair enough question!
Brax
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yourselves. The membership is, after all, what makes it!
Which is sort of my point - and we seem to have a sudden glut of posts.
For whatever reason, I'm very fond of this list - it was my first, you know.
To paraphrase, I wasn't exactly flame baiting, but -just smouldering a little...
I do however, think that there might be an argument for tightening the focus
of the group.
AllenRd has/had the Virgin NAs. JadePagoda has the BBC books, Who_Ink
has authoring, I would suggest that we think about the following options...
1. Dr Who on TV only (historical discussion)
2. What we would like to see in a new series (future-based discussion)
3. An essay based E-Zine format. (would need more moderation)
4. Stories from the Annuals only ( I like this idea )
5. How to stalk Doctor Who actors 
   (or if your name is Simon, howto marry one :-) )
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 5. How to stalk Doctor Who actors 
You jest, of course!
If people really think that a narrowing of field is inorder then please
mail *me* about it and not to the list; I'll summarise depending on the
response!
C.
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My name is Gary Knight i live in a town called hatfield in the UK
I used to work in Hatfield
OBWHO - Two Doctor Who stories have mentioned Luton (my current
abode) but never, to my knowledge, Hatfield. Can you name them both ?
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B. I have only recently joined the list and I want to get to know everyone.
I'm an acquired taste, I admit. But  I'm never malicious, or even malevolent.
Think of me as the Sixth Doctor of the list, and bask* in my warm glow.
I agree with the advice that a period of lurking is educational.
However, I also understand that lurking in silence is ultimately fruitless.
I also admit I get bored of basic questions, but as I say it must be 5 years or
so that I've been  on here. 
Chuck - a suggestion can we add to the subscription confirmation details
some sort of "introduce yourself" form, perhaps even including a request to
post the most controversial opition you hold.
Or something...
* (Or if you're Peri, _basque_)
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Rents
Rents ! Thank god you're here. Erm....
"Female Doctors. what a shit idea, eh ?"
(Let the floodgates open....)
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 Anyone on the list planning to attend GallifreyOne in Feb?
I'm registered and have airplane tickets, so I hope I'll be there.
-shill
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Until that gum I like comes back into style I won't be going.
Does anyone know of ANY WHO related conventions in the south east of the US?
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 > of the group.
No dude, I say broaden it.  The list is far too predictable and 
mundane these days.  Twp, Three years ago you could always 
count on 100 or so mails a day covering every topic diverging OUT 
of the inital interest in Dr Who - and there was genuine wit and 
eclectic intellegence in those days.  I use to love it when, fopr 
example,  Renton would say something stupid and everyone would 
jump down his throat and there would be real passion and intellect 
behind the arguments and posts.  I mean, how long has it been 
since the "Nazi rule" was invoked? :-)
Strict focus of topic means whoever shouts the loudest wins the 
intial argument and that's that and that's it - so only the safe topics 
are broached and we never really get naythuing going.  I say we 
return to the days when great and weighty threads would arise out 
of discussions about Mary Tamm's breasts.
mm
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 of discussions about Mary Tamm's breasts.
Here Here...
I second that great and weighty discussion.
All who would like to touch upon that matter....
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Mamboman wrote:
<Strict focus of topic means whoever shouts the loudest wins the
intial argument and that's that and that's it - so only the safe topics
are broached and we never really get naythuing going.  I say we
return to the days when great and weighty threads would arise out
of discussions about Mary Tamm's breasts.>
You mean that someone (keeping the tense in the third here just so I don't
look sad)would come along and say that they'd much rather see Lalla Ward's
breasts (or other regions)?  >;o)
I'd agree that the focus of topic on this list is rather wanting. One bloody
good thread on Gallifrey does not a good list make, we need to be discussing
the Dominie and Alice, Fred, Truman Crouch, Cwej, Auton Trilogy, which
stories would make damn fine audio releases or stage plays etc.
Brax
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All who would like to touch upon that matter....
I want something I can get my teeth into
a topic, that is :o/
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 breasts (or other regions)?  >;o
Lalla Ward had breasts? I must've missed 'em! ;-)
Hehehehehehehe
Travis
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stories would make damn fine audio releases or stage plays etc.
Start one!  Those topics sound great...
Speaking of stage plays, I hope that some of the UK list members will
get to see Hellblossom and tell the rest of us about it.  I would love to
go... ah well.
Audio releases... So far I've listened to Sirens of Time, Phantasmagoria,
and Whispers of Terror.  I think they're pretty good, and I hope they're
able to continue the series for a long time.  I was surprised that Sirens
used the CIA (which I remember from the FASA game -- have the New
Adv's also mentioned the CIA?)  Phantasmagoria seemed to really fit
the 5th Dr and Turlough quite well as a story, and Whispers seemed
to really fit the 6th and Peri.  What I mean is that the styles of the
stories remind me of the seasons of those Drs.  One point of amusement
was Nicola Bryant's voice in Whispers.  She started out with a deeper,
huskier voice, and seemed to have some difficulty pulling off Peri's
whiny voice (just my personal perception and opinion).  I must admit
that her natural voice sounds a bit sexier than Peri use to (that whining
always kinda bothered me a little).
I haven't seen or heard any of the other productions you mentioned above.
I've been itchin' to try Dominie and Alice or Mistress and K9.  Anyone
have an opinion on these?
Cheers,
Kirk
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response!
Chuck, why the emphasis on the *me* there ?
A discussion about what we should talk about isn't OT.
Is it ? I mean, I've always assumed that mailing lists are not only places to
talk about a shared interest, but places where those with a shared interest
can have a bit of banter with each other. I hope that is the case.
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In a message dated 12/17/99 4:17:10 AM, 
thed...@sundragon.net
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<<Does anyone know of ANY WHO related conventions in the south east of the 
US?>>
Yeah: None.
Magnum Opus Con (usually held in Georgia, once or twice, I believe, in South 
Carolina) in the past occasionally invited a Doctor Who guest (this is the 
con at which Pat Troughton died in 1987), but not for many years. There was 
an attempt to hold a DW con in North Carolina a few years ago; don't know how 
that came off. Nothing on the horizon now.
Closest is United Fan Con, which is held in Springfield MA every Nov., and 
usually has a DW guest.
Get those travelin' shoes on...
Tom Beck
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Shada, K-9 & Company & the TVM are Canonical.
The Virgin books and the BBC books are not Canonical.
UNIT stories took place 10 years after the time they were filmed.
The dates in "Arc of Infinity" & the calendar in "Android Invasion"
are erroneous.
"The Happiness Patrol, "Delta & the Bannermen" & 
"Greatest Show In the Galaxy" are all good.
John Nathan Turner was a good producer who did a fine job
in his years on the show.
The Hinchcliff era is overrated.
There. That ought to get a few discussions started.
8-{)#
David H Tiffany 
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Anybody have any more suggestions?
for this book, I'm sorry.
Brax
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 Galaxy" are all good.
This one'll do me.
I didn't like HP, which I know isn't very controversial, and I haven't
seen the others since first transmission. BUT, I really enjoyed TIME AND
THE RANI when I watched it last night; I thought MARK OF THE RANI was a
fantastic laugh; I was very impressed with TIMELASH and rate BATTLEFIELD
as one of the best McCoys.
And the terrifying thing is, I'm /not/ having you on. Is there something
wrong with me?
Love and hugs,
Matt
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There. That ought to get a few discussions started.
Yeah, good show!
how about a few more:
Tom Baker is not God, and was merely good in the role.
Turlough was the best companion of the eighties
the Sea Devils are real - I've seen them!! ;o)
Nicholas Briggs was one of the best Doctors
I love Bernice
Isn't it a crying shame that Twilight of the Gods is the last of the New
Adventures?
Anthony Ainley would be good as a character called Koschei in a BBV audio
Adventure, and the first story should feature the Silurians & Sea Devils in
a Lovecraftian tale.
The TV K9 revival - whatever happened to that?
The seventh Doctor should have another companion should Sophie or Lisa
Bowerman be unable to join him for a Big Finish audio due to work
commitments.
Would Michael Sheard, David Banks, or David Troughton make a good Doctor in
a Big Finish audio drama?
That TARDIS console designed by Mike Tucker that is suspended from the
ceiling, is that a good idea?
If a new series should return to the TV, the Time Lords or the Master should
never be referred to again, with a mere reference to 'my people' etc should
the question ever surface. Much like with An Unearthly Child, the past
should never be thrown out, just not mentioned, and completely new
adventures enjoyed.
Brax
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 wrong with me?
Nah man. We just all have different tastes. If we all thought exactly the
same way it would be a boring world (like Daleks or Sontarans or something)!
:)
I personally thought most of the McCoy episodes were crap. I was very harsh
on them at the time, but since I have decided "hell, it's just a television
show. The times change. What the hell!" And, besides, the McCoy episodes
were still better than most of the unimaginative tripe we had on American
television at the time. I'd still rather have mediocre Doctor Who than any
of those or none at all! :)
I have learned to like several of  the McCoy stories, BUT..... Silver
Nemesis is still crap! :)
Travis
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 Travis
I found "Remembrance of the Daleks" excellent, a return to "traditional"
Doctor Who. Sadly it was followed by "The Happiness Patrol". I've
learned
to appreciate bits of that, but frankly it was the last thing the series
needed and was all the worse for following Remembrance. That story was
enough to pique the interest of the casual viewer - and then they got
a story with women in pink candy floss wigs, an incomprehensible
Doctor and, of course, Bertie Bassett...shudder. I remember cringing
horribly
at the reaction of my family, and THEY are used to the show's
eccentricities.
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 know...
If this convention is in Portland Oregon I would like to know I would
like to get tickets to it and see all the Whovians around the world.
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please take me off the list.
Thanks
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 Thanks
That bad, huh? :)
Travis
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yes
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 yes
Hehehehehehehe :) I can't tell you how to do it right off hand, but Worth
usually is good at pointing out the door! :)
Travis
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oh well, surprising considering it is picking up now, I'm very glad I stayed
when I initially though 'this is a bit um, crap really'
but now it is getting better
is anyone else happy with this new resurgance of interesting posts, or is it
just me?
Brax
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