Newsgroup: it.cultura.filosofia
Titolo: A question about God - please help me

I do not believe in God
I am not able to
If  I believed in God
That would be loving people for heavens's sake
How can I fulfil good deeds for heaven's sake?
That would not be pure; not true
I want to love the human beings
I don't want to love just an idea (God)
It's the people around me who need help NOT God
How to forget about God?
How to forget about Heaven?
In  being good I want God not watching me
But I do hope I will go to Heaven
That's my questions
So please help me in my warped logic! (in English, German, French or
Polish(?!) if possible)

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Let me think an answer in a language different than mine...


I think that the love for God or from God is a modern concept, tipically
cristian.
A religious person do not consider God only for convenience,(going to
heaven),
but consider as an omnipotent entity, end and beginning of the universe and
destiny.
God is an idea, it is true, but also persons,better thinking about persons,
is an idea...
Acting for the good of yourself or others it is different from thinking
about it.
Philosophy do not correspond to ethic, philosophy may speaks about ethic.

 I am not able to
Well, first of all, do not despair. It seems to me that there is a mighty
struggle going on deep within you, and i know that feeling all too well...
These struggle are very difficult to overcome, and often left me saddened
and hollow, but one needs to face them to go on on his path...
Basically, i would say that you've discovered Nietzsche position (congrats
^_^). He, for the little i understand of him, dismiss Christianity as a form
of nihilism, i.e. a way of living which denies life and deprive it of it's
value, because in Christianity one focus his life on something which is
beyond the here and the present, and thus one lives as if he was absent,
unliving (i know i'm oversimplifying, so please don't critcize me).
Nietzsche assumes that God is dead, man has killed him (Der frohlische
Wissenschaft), by saying so he means that not only the idea of the Christian
God is unfit for our time, but also the principles of rationality and the
seeking of universal meaning, understanding of the world and metaphysics
which dominate western thought. To truly embrace life, and experience it to
it's fullest, one must reject Christian Virtues and western values, and seek
and follow his own, in this way he will live for himself, experiencing every
moment. But how then to face eternity? Well Neitzsche devised the concept of
Eternal Return, which is very complex but can basically be thoght of as
"every one of your action echoes in eternity, every one of your moments is
forever".
You say that you do hope that you will go to heaven: are you sure (no
offense intended) that your desire for faith does not come from a fear of
death? You sure are at a very difficult point of your life, and the decision
you will take is an hard one that perhaps is impossible to follow, so don't
be afraid if you exitate or have doubt. I will advise yuo some reading to
better ponder it. I think you can either do a very difficult and radical
change of your Weltanschauung, that is, turning around your values,
rejecting Christianity and living a "dyonisean" life, or go ahed, embrace
Christianity as a way of living, and suffer through your doubt and
uncertainty. You must not think that as a Christian you are doing things for
heaven's sake: you are doing them for this is YOUR life and you are free do
to what you want of it (tht's the "christian free will"); this life is NOT a
test for the afterlife. The basic principle of Christ's life was love: so
shall be yours, to be a good christian. Remember these two things "If want
to save your souls, they will be lost" and "Only God reads the heart" (both
from the Gospel, i think): so live, love and go ahed with it. Some, myself
included, think that Christianity true aim is not to be saved after death,
in an imaginary Afterlife, but to achieve Paradise here, in your life,
through a meaningful existence, deep and loving relations with others. Tis
is a somewhat pagan interpretation, which traces its roots in the world
mythologies and in ancient wisdom: the idea that paradise is a metaphor for
a sate of being in which you're truly happy and fulfilled. But Christianity
has many facets, and also means an ethic way of life. This i say to you:
never dismiss ideas, explore the possibilities and consider the consequence
of your actions. Here are the book i suggest to you (title in english): from
Nietzsche "The Antichrist", which is his most violent attack on
christianity, "Human, all too human", a collection af aphorism which could
change one's world view, and if you can make it through "Thus spoke
Zarathustra", one of the most obscure and difficult book ever written, but
which is a sort of oracle. For one of the most touching and deepest view of
Christinity, i advise you to read something from Kierkergaard, especially
"Fear and tremble", in which he thinks of the journey Abraham made to
scrifice Isaac, and the feelings which must have struggled inside him.
Ciao and Good Luck!
I'll send you this also in e-mail to be sure you get it.
--
Jeibel-el-kefir aka Nicola Caroli
"You're insane! I'm a mage."
"Life can be short, or long...
it depends...
where you go at night"

 >I do not believe in God
<snippone>
 Philosophy do not correspond to ethic, philosophy may speaks about ethic.
Hey, ma tu sei un Ihgger!
Mo ve', io li lurko entrambi, 'sti newsgroup.
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Nicola Caroli ha scritto nel messaggio ...
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Sě, il piů maltrattato degli ihgger...
spiegami un po' che vuol dire snip e derivati?

I don't understand what the hell you out there are talking about, but My
Little Inbox has caught fire. She is so sensitive to yelling.   :)
Maciej
ps. What's an ihgger?

Maciej64 ha scritto nel messaggio ...
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Sorry Maciej, our messages was out of topic...
An ihgger is a person that consults another newsgroup, ihggol, a NG about
role playing games.

 about it.
Uhm...

 >--
 il più maltrattato degli ihgger...
 spiegami un po' che vuol dire snip e derivati?
Riguardo ai maltrattamentiper "Che tristezza, che tristezza" devo dire che
un po' te li sei meritati... insomma non è che sia un modo di farsi ben
vedere la prima sera che vai in un pub cominciare a discutere col barista di
quanto faccia schifo la Guiness (eresia! ^_^)... Comunque la reazione è
stata un po' esagerata, hai la mia simpatia... E poi è vero che lo stile di
gioco D&D mette tristezza, ma io ho giocato con persone cresciute nella loro
pubertà con un cyberpunk o un cthulhu... Ti rendi conto degli effetti
devastanti di gdr+testosterone+armi da fuoco??? Snip è un'abitudine che ho
imparato leggendo ihgg... si usa quando si taglia del testo quotato... se
fai un po' di esperimenti è circa il suono che fa Winamp (che suona in
background) quando appunto tagli una larga quantità di testo... I derivati
possono essere snippone, snippolo, snap, pans... un po' come newbie->
niubbo... Vabbe' abbiamo divagato anche troppo, non fatti sentire su ihgg...
^____^
Ciao!

 Ciao!
Oppppssss, volevo dire, fatti sentire su ihgg :imbarazzo:  *___*
scusa scusa scusa
Ciao