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Titolo: opinioni sparse sul nuovo corso di Zio Paperone

Salve a tutti,
pur essendo cresciuto con le storie dei paperi di Carl Barks, molte delle
quali considero letture che mi hanno formato, ho scoperto troppo tardi la
testata "Zio Paperone". Troppo tardi, perche' mi sarebbe piaciuto avere
tutte le storie dello zio Carl in comodi albetti da rileggere (e far
leggere ai miei figli, un giorno quando ne avro'). Purtroppo oramai, i
primi 69 numeri della serie hanno raggiunto quotazioni stratosferiche e
per me inavvicinabili. Ho cominciato a collezionarla con il numero 70,
quando l'albo ha cambiato grafica e ha "aperto le frontiere" ad altri
autori, dopo aver finito di pubblicare le storie di Barks. Gli autori
scelti erano quelli che piu' gli si avvicinavano (non solo per disegni, ma
anche per idee): Rosa,la scuola olandese,Rota,Vicar,ecc. Ma il posto
d'onore era ancora dedicato a Lui, non passava numero che non venisse
ristampata qualcuna delle sue storie lunghe, con mia somma gioia, piu'
(ogni tanto) qualcuna delle sue one-pager.
Pensai: "Le storie di Barks sono circa 700.....ci vorranno una cinquantina
d'anni prima che le ristampino tutte, ma vabbe', meglio di niente".
Da un paio d'anni a questa parte, le cose sono cambiate ulteriormente, e
non in meglio, secondo me, tanto che, se non fosse per le
(sporadiche) storie di Don Rosa, avrei gia' abbandonato la testata al suo
destino. Il parco autori pubblicato, difatti, e' stato considerevolmente
allargato, introducendo disegnatori che non c'entrano niente con Carl
Barks, ne' a livello di disegni, ne' tantomeno a livello di tematiche.
La scusa e' quella di presentare "altri paperoni". D'altra parte le storie
di Zio Carl, sono andate pian piano scemando, tanto da diventare
l'eccezione piu' che la regola.
Ora, io capisco che comincino a scarseggiare le storie inedite dei gia'
citati Rosa,Rota,Vicar,ecc., pero' devo dire che questa novita' mi sembra
tradire lo spirito di una testata, nata con (lodevoli) propositi
filologici e che pian piano, si sta tramutando in un fritto misto
antologico, senza arte ne' parte.
Perche' invece, non riprendere una pubblicazione sistematica delle opere
di Barks, visto anche che sono passati piu' di 5 anni dall'ultimo albo
"vecchio stile"?
Magari la testata perderebbe i lettori che hanno la vecchia serie
completa, ma questi penso che siano una minoranza, visti i prezzi che
hanno raggiunto i primi numeri (oltretutto pubblicati in maniera
errabonda, piu' di dieci anni fa, da due diversi editori, mi sembra).
La testata in questo modo, presenterebbe ad una nuova generazione di
lettori le storie di Carl Barks, che da 50 anni appassionano grandi e
piccini.
Vorrei sentire l'opinione di altre persone che leggono la testata, per
sapere se questo malessere nei confronti della testata e' solo mio, o se
ci sono altre persone che la pensano come me.
Grazie per l'attenzione, ciao,
-- 
Luca Pugliese

 ci sono altre persone che la pensano come me.
Be'.. malessere e' una parola grossa. Ritengo che Zio Paperone resti
comunque la miglior testata regolare del parco testate Disney
(considerando "I Maestri disney" come irregolare).
Certo' e' che un Barks al mese non fa mai male.
--
Laz
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 - Romano Scarpa, IL Maestro
http://heinlein.cjb.net
 - Sito italiano su RAH
"Bokutachi Wa Tenshi Datta"

>> Rosa mi piace.
Well, you piace me, too! (I know just a few words of Italian!)
What's Luca Pugliese saying? That ZIO PAPERONE should go back to 100% Barks
stuff and get rid of those other guys like that (sporadic) Rosa?

 stuff and get rid of those other guys like that (sporadic) Rosa?
Almost. He likes you too (and a couple of others artists like Rota and
Vicar), but he doesn't like all the other artists that lately are being
published on Zio Paperone (Like old stories by Hubbard, Strobl,
Bradbury...), he would like to see another complete run of reprints by
Barks, as it has already been made on Zio Paperone issues 1 through 69,
because he feels that this way (one Barks a month or none at all, as it
sometimes happen) Barks is going to be forgotten by the next generation of
readers.
Anyway he still wants your stories to be published, he said that now they
are the only reason that keeps him buying Zio Paperone.
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 are the only reason that keeps him buying Zio Paperone.
But he said I was "sporadic". I couldn't tell if he thought the
*appearances* of my stories was sporadic, or the *quality* of my stories was
sporadic. (If he meant the latter, I'd *fully* agree with him!!!)

 sporadic. (If he meant the latter, I'd *fully* agree with him!!!)
The appareance! Do you think that the quality of your stories is
sporadic?? Oh well, I don't really think so. I admit I didn't like much
your first stories (like the Son of the Sun) for a mere matter of
drawings, but now, each one is a jewel... just think of the Kalevala one!
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 drawings,
I look back at that story and can't believe they even printed it! But that
was Gladstone -- I was the only person in America interested in doing
Disney comics for them. Everyone else knew there was no money in it. The
reason I didn't care was that I wasn't a professional cartoonist, just an
amateur / hobbyist Barksfan who hadn't even drawn for fun for 4 or 5 years
at that point. I still think of myself as an amateur when I look at the
"real" artists in those comics.
I'd like to redraw (and maybe rewrite parts of) that first "Son of the Sun"
story someday, maybe as the final Duck story I ever do (though I don't know
how I can ever retire! I'm not a direct company employee for the publisher
earning a pension like Barks was at Western Publishing).

 sporadic. (If he meant the latter, I'd *fully* agree with him!!!)
no,no,the quality of your stories is ok, I only wish there were more to
read :) 
bye, 
-- 
Luca Pugliese
pugl...@sec.di.unipi.it

 Barks stories have been published on ZP
They don't use me much in ZP? I thought they did. No?

 *want* stories that they can see are aimed at a simple mind.
Oops. Sorry. Obviously the word "not" shouldn't be in that sentence! I meant
to say:
And I *know* that kids, at least the smart kids, don't
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 "real" artists in those comics.
Still now? You're really modest, I sometimes think at your Huey, Dewey and
Louie and how good they look in stories like "An Eye For Detail" (I said
"good" and not "cute" on purpose, I don't mean they're cute, I mean
they're... "real", they feel real, and it hardly happens nowadays)
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 thank you! What Lazarus Long did not translate from my message
Hey, I didn't want to answer in your place, I just translated a little bit
of, leaving the rest to you ;-)
--
Laz

 They don't use me much in ZP? I thought they did. No?
You know what? There are very few stories of your left to publish in
Italy.
The inducks tells us that these are only:
Nobody's business
Treasure Under Glass
Escape From Forbidden Valley
The Three Caballeros Ride Again
On Stolen Time
Attaaaaaack!
The Coin
Well-Educated Duck
Give unto others
these stories have not been published here. There might be a couple of
mistakes in the list, (after all I'm the one in charge for indexing ZP for
the inducks, and I'm not perfect), but anyway, story more, story less,
they'll soon be over... and you don't make a story a month do you?
So they print your stories as much as the d with Barks, one or non a
month. This month for example we have nothing from you (we have a Scarpa,
an Old Barks, an horrible Milton and a curious long adventure produced in
Germany in 1984).
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 they're... "real", they feel real, and it hardly happens nowadays)
You sure know how to say nice things! I don't think I draw very well, and
you might think I'm being falsely modest about that (but I'm not, I know I
don't draw like a professional because I've never been trained like one).
However, I think that when even I look into the faces of one of my Ducks, I
see a mind behind those eyes, he seems alive in there somewhere, whereas
other artists' Ducks simply look "well-drawn". I think that's one of the
advantages of being the writer AND the artist. The Ducks you see in my
stories are *actually* thinking what they are thinking because the writer
and artist is the same, so there's a direct link between the dialogue and
art. I think any comic that is written and drawn by ONE person, even if it's
mediocre, has a quality that puts it somehow above the best comic written
and drawn by two different people.

 and you don't make a story a month do you?
I'm no Carl Barks!!! Heck he did 12 Donald Duck shorts and 4-6 $crooge epics
each year!!! That's a total of about 17 each year. I do 2 or 3 stories each
year. I'm falling a *bit* short.

 and drawn by two different people.
I fully agree, for example I have a web site dedicated to Romano Scarpa,
and the main topic of the site are the stories drawn and written by him
because I feel that such stories have a... little something special, let's
say.
--
Laz
http://digilander.iol.it/sgrizzo
 - Romano Scarpa, IL Maestro
http://heinlein.cjb.net
 - Sito italiano su RAH
"Bokutachi Wa Tenshi Datta"

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news:ERPj6.31415$7U4.8...@news.infostrada.it...
By the way, exchanging messages here only with you is "preaching to the
choir" about Disney comics. You're already also over on the Disney Comics
Mailing List, eh? Isn't there anyone else in Italy who likes Ducks besides
you and your friend who began this thread? I thought Barks' Ducks were
wildly popular there.

 wildly popular there.
They are wildly popular, meaning that everybody knows ducks (and mice too)
as comic characters more than toon characters... and "Topolino", the main
Italian comic with new stories is certainly the comic (pocket) book that
sells more in Italy... still there seems to be very little interest in
forums like this and I think that the reason is simply because the quality
of these new stories is definitely poor and targeted mainly to children.
I think that if we had the same quality that we had in the Fifties (for
example) there would be many more discussions abuot Disney Comics, but as
it is now, most times a discussion sparks, it is about reprints of old
stories in hardcovers or similar topics.
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 They don't use me much in ZP? I thought they did. No?
Of course it is because there are too few Rosa's stories for our needs ;-)
Bye
Vincenzo
--
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mclink.it

 wildly popular there.
Hi! As Lazarus said, they are. Classic and modern at same time, as
Gottfredson's Mickey, they are too much on a higher level in respect of
nowadays stories.
Oh, sure, there's that guy who's not so bad and we can read on Zio Paperone:
what's his name? Mmmm.... something like Rosa, I think... ;-))
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 Of course it is because there are too few Rosa's stories for our needs ;-)
I'm very slooooooow.
Right now I'm doing another extensively researched story involving our boy
Christopher Columbus. But, sadly, the story involves Spain and Portugal and
France and Russia and Finland and USA and Haiti, but not Italy. Too bad
Chris didn't get his funding from home or I might be living in the Genovan
States of Columbia.

 States of Columbia.
Maybe not, but in the realm of comics, who knows... ;-)
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States of Columbia.
You're right, that could have happened :)
But, in fact (and in short words), Genoese banks managed to
administrate the gold Spaniards brought from America to Europe.. one
way or another, wherever there were riches and gold, you could bet
Genoese people were there :))
__
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 Genoese people were there :))
Right, but don't you folks say "Genovese" and "Genova"? I recall how
surprised I was when visiting that the name of the city is Genova, and we
Americans mysteriously decide to drop the "v" out for some dame arrogant
reason.

---------/  "Stupid, stupid rat creatures!" - Fone Bone  /---------<

and drawn by two different people.
So you are saying that a comic written by Alan Moore and drawn by Dave
Gibbons in somehow worse than a comic written and drawn by Rob
Liefeld? :-)
(Sorry... just kidding! ;-))
Provocative regards,
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 (Sorry... just kidding! ;-))
No, that's a good question, because you don't know what a threat to the
intellectual future of all mankind I think is the popularity of somebody
like Liefeld. I didn't say comics written and drawn by the same person are
BETTER, but they are still "somehow above" any art-by-committee idea. Then,
when they are excellent in *addition* to being one-man-shows, they are
sublime. Maybe the same way... oh.... George W. Bush is "somehow above" a
person of average intelligence and position, even though he is a low-grade
nitwit. Wouldn't it be something if we had a president of the United States
who was of *superior* intellect and morals, such as somehow happened prior
to 1963?

 wrote:
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They are. :-)

 reason.
<martin mystere mode on>
The English Genoa comes directly from the Latin Ianua, that was its Latin
name. Ianua means, more or less, "door", and it's referred to the  fact that
the city is a gateway between the sea and the great plain. Also, the name
reminds of Ianus, a double-faced roman deity: one face looked at the future
and the other at the past. Ianus' head can be found in the city's symbol.
One of the two football clubs of Genova is however called Genoa, having been
created by some english people at the end of XIX century.
<martin mystere mode off>
That's the reason why. You're more correct than we are.
saluti
ale

 That's the reason why. You're more correct than we are.
But where did that "v" come from?

you and your friend who began this thread?
Here I am!
I like Ducks, and I loved D.U.C.K! :-)
I don't usually read Disney comics, I literally ATE them when I was a
child, but with time I left them for other comics (mainly for the
decreasing quality of the offering, as said by Lazarus Long).
D.U.C.K. has been a shock for me: it made me go back to my childhood,
and made me remember why I loved the Ducks... :-)
It also caused in me a great desire to read all of the Barks' works,
and I really hope that Disney Italia will sooner or later do a
complete and cronological reprint of this material (as Lazarus said,
first numbers of "Zio Paperone" are now sold at VERY high prices...).
Yes, i know u've already read something similar by Figliodombra .. but
this is EXACTLY my same thoughts :-)
Btw Lazarus is the most ducks fan i know ! ^_^
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More precisely the current latin name was *Genua*, very probably from the name
of a "Liguri" tribe, the Genuates. The "v" appears also in "Mantua" which
becomes "Mantova" in italian. Maybe (I'm not a language scholar ^__^, so I
think I'm just doing a fantasy trip ^__^) it has some to do with the fact that
"v" was commonly written "u" in latin.
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Btw Lazarus is the most ducks fan i know ! ^_^
I agree. ^_^
Enraged regards,
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 "v" was commonly written "u" in latin.
Er... it's the opposite, isn't it? 
The "u" is written as "v" in latin, so the word "Genua" is written
"Genva".
-- 
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http://allyit.cjb.net

 you and your friend who began this thread?
here I am!
it's great talking to one of my favourite Disney artist :-)
N.

 it's great talking to one of my favourite Disney artist :-)
Anytime you or anyone else wants me here, just put my name in the title of
the thread or otherwise write it in *English* so I can read it.... and I'll
eventually spot the message and pop in.

 "Genva".
Of course: lapsus :-(
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*want* stories that they can see are aimed at a simple mind.
The sad thing, is that Disney Italia seems to think the exact
opposite. That's why I nearly dropped Disney stories - and now I'm
taking notes any time a thread about them pops up here. I feel very
sad reading some very poor stories about characters I love, while good
adult stories are much more than just possible. (I liked D.U.C.K. very
much, BTW. But is actually Mississippi river so muggy? ^__^).
Parvati V
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created by some english people at the end of XIX century.
There's another football club founded by Genoese people,it's Boca
Juniors ^_^
Sayonara !!
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I think that it comes from the evolution of the language...
Our tongue comes from the Tuscan dialect in the Florentine variant, so
beause of euphonic phenomena some Latin words changed, mainly through
the spoken language...
It's an 'universal' phenomenon that involves almost all languages like
American "gotta" et similia ;-)
But this is only an ipothesis of mine...because it's a very
complicated question and unfortunately I'm not a linguist ;-)
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>>BTW. But is actually Mississippi river so muddy? ^__^).
I don't know -- I've never seen it!