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Titolo: [OT] Commodore 65?

Non so se voi avete gia' sentito parlare di questo prototipo della commodore, ma
nel newgroup di retrocomputing hanno passato un link interessante:
http://www.heimcomputer.de/comp/c65.html
Ovviamente non so se sia tutto vero, soprattutto perche' e' scritto in tedesco e
non ci capisco na mazza :-)
Comunque sembra un incrocio tra un C64 e un' Amiga, con delle versioni
preliminari di Workbench e del Deluxe Paint !
Se volete dateci un occhio...
Lorenzo

non ci capisco na mazza :-)
Grazie alle potenzialitŕ (?) del traduttore di Altavista, ecco il
testo in inglese (stavolta il traduttore di Altavista se l'č cavata
meglio del solito!)
The C65 Story
First rumors 
The first announcements on the part of Commodore over a
successor of the most successful Heimocmputers of all times, the C64,
came in January 1988 of the Commodore Pressesprecher Gerold cock.  The
project was again stopped however in February already.  Only in spring
1989 Commodore Boss Irving Gould in an interview with the South German
newspaper revealed the resumed plans to build a computer with the
performance between C64 and Amiga 500.  At this time the Amiga500 was
already more than one year on the market.  This was the actual start
for the development of the C65, as he was however only designated
later some time.  At the point in time at that time still designations
were such as C64D, C90 and C65 in the discussion.
Other C64-successor 
In previous years had already undertaken
Commodore several more or less successful attempts to offer a
C64-successor.  The C264 and C364 already 1985 on the CES in read
Vegas presented.  The C264 appeared a little later than Commodore
Plus/4.  However it became due to a too small software supply, and its
not available compatibility the C64 a Flop.  The C364 never came on
the market.  The Commdore 128 was already a more successful attempt to
present a C64-successor.  The 1985 published C128 did not contain
three computers in, the C128 with better basic and somewhat better
diagram than the C64, a CP/M computer and, which the most important
was supposed, a C64. however attained the C128 nevertheless by far the
sales numbers of the C64.  This is to be attributed probably to the
fact that the P/CM OPERATING SYSTEM had become outdated at the point
in time already.  And for the 128er-Modus there was too few software.
  Why thus buy a more expensive C128, if man uses sowiso only the
6ęr-Modus.
Planning 
In July 1989 fixed Commodore a kept secret session in London.
Users were under and rem the Commodore Boss at that time Irving Gould,
the general manager for Northern Europe Christian Andersen one and
managing director for Germany, Winfried hoping man.  Topic of this
session was the successor of the C64. after tough discussions and
negotiations was the managers united:  The C64-successor comes!
At this time the following configuration of the computer was planned:
  - 256 colours at the same time representably with a resolution of
320x200
- 80 character text mode
- Stereo sound
- 128 KB RAM (expandable to 1 MB)
- inserted boatable 3.5 " floppy disk drive with 880 KB capacity
- 100% C64-compatibility including all links
The representation of 256 colours with 320x200 pixel was ebenbuerdig a
then modern PC's.  Even a AtariST and an Amiga could represent only 16
or 32 colours in the image mode.  Inserted 3.5 the " floppy disk drive
however brought a serious disadvantage with itself:  no past
C64-Software was delivered on 3,5 " diskettes.  In order to thus use
these programs, an additional 1541-Floppy would have had to be
purchased.  In order to rig the 128 KB to 1 MB, a further module slot
is to be integrated.  The keyboard is to be provided with German
umlauts and special characters.  Commodore wanted to align the market
strategy there that the C65 contained two computers in one:  a
complete C64 and a new computer, which can compete with the AtariST
and the internal Amiga.  A %Auml;hnliche strategy had once pursued
Apple with the Apple II gs already before.  The Apple II gs had by far
better diagram abilities and sound as the Apple II, was however to
this fully compatible.  Apple had thereby a large success.
As processor a 16Bit-Eigenentwicklung should be used, since the
Motorola 68000 and the like did not ensure C64-compatibility.  The
price for the C65 should be situated between that of the C64 (at that
time 300, - DM) and the Amiga 500 (1000, - DM).
At this time the completion of the first prototypes on at the end of
of August 1989 was planned.  These should be delivered at hard and
software developers, so that should be available at on January 1990
planned introduction on the market the sufficient software.
Extension of deadline 
After some modifications in the TOP management
of Commodore was placed the schedule for the introduction of the C65
to question.  In an interview with Happy computer described the new
press speaker of Commodore Germany, Michael Kip that the introduction
on the market cannot take place before March or April 1990.  But
additionally is the C65 the C64 does not replace the product range to
complete.  The configuration features of the C65 mentioned already
above would be likewise not yet definite.  Since new head of the
company of Commodore Germany, Peter emperor, is now also a weighty
Woertchen will put in a word, the basic introduction also not yet
surely.
This should become the start of the end for the introduction of the
C65.
The C65-Prototype
The C64-successor-Projekt had in the meantime
continued to progress.  The specifications were determined, also a
name were finally found:  C65.  The first prototypes were
manufactured.  However still without type designation.  Also still no
manual was printed.  The inserted BASIC V10 should be still improved
and error-settled up to production stage.  Unfortunately also the
C64-compatibility was not achieved perfectly.  The inserted
3,5"-Floppy was 1581-compatible.  For the use of C64 programs however
also each C64-Floppy could e.g. the 1541 is attached.
The end 
In consequence of the management modifications with Commodore
(s.oben) was then finally stopped the C65-Projekt after some time.
Commodore wanted to make itself now no own Konkurenz nevertheless the
Amiga 500.  The prototypes already manufactured, which should actually
be sent away as test samples at soft and hardware developers as well
as the editorship of computer magazines, were stored in the Commodore
stockrooms.  The number of these manufactured prototypes varies
between 200 and 500 pieces.  Sorted devices at this time already to
the Rekation by computer journals e.g. Happy computer were sent away.
  The remainder was only abverkauft after the bankruptcy by Commodore
during the clearance of stocks.  In Germany this C65-Prototypen in
classified advertisements was offered to 666 e.g. in the magazine
computer flea market for DM, -.
The C65 today 
Today is the C65 a popular piece of collecting tank.
However it can be used also really only for collecting, since there is
actually no software up to 2-3 Public Domain programs.  Only most C64
of programs can be used.

 The C65 Story
C'è un sacco di materiale (foto comprese) delle puttanate della Commodore in
questo sito:
http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ckb/secret/
The secret weapons of Commodore


Ma non comprende il periodo post-Amiga 1200! Non è
professionaaaaleeeee!!!!

 professionaaaaleeeee!!!!
QUALE periodo post A1200? Due anni di fuffa su cui č meglio calare un velo
pietoso
p.bes

 professionaaaaleeeee!!!!
Probabilmente perché la C= era andata in bancarotta nel 93, dopo aver
sfornato il 1200, il 4000 e il CD-32 e le puttanate successive erano
prodotte da terze parti (che io sappia solo la Escom, il primo acquirente,
rilasciò dei nuovi 1200 e 4000 rimarchiati, con la scritta Amiga al posto
del marchio Commodore: saranno state si e no 2000 unità, apparse quasi
esclusivamente in Germania, particolarmente richieste dai collezionisti
vista la tiratura limitata, un po' come gli ultimi Amiga Commodore con le
firme degli ingegneri serigrafate dentro al case)...
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non ci capisco na mazza :-)
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Anzi, a guardar bene, NON PARLA PROPRIO degli Amiga!
Ripeto: non č professionaaaaaaaleeeeeee!!!!!!

Ovviamente non so se sia tutto vero, 
Lo è. Ci sono pochissimi prototipi a giro e sul mercato del retrocomputing
sono ambitissimi, ovviamente.
Non credo che qualcuno in Italia lo abbia.
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>E' emulato dal MESS.
E quali programmi dedicati (cioè SOLO per C65) ci sono in giro?

Ripeto: non è professionaaaaaaaleeeeeee!!!!!!
EHI!!!! GLI AMIGA ERANO GRANDIOSI!!!!
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"Allora che si fa, eh?". C'ero io, cioè il Cavaliere verde, e i miei
tre soma, cioè Inki, Didimo, e Sasy, Sasy perchè era davvero sasy, e
si stava all'ICC Milkbar a rovellarci il cardine su come passare la
serata, una sera buia fredda bastarda d'inverno, ma asciutta....

>EHI!!!! GLI AMIGA ERANO GRANDIOSI!!!!
Non lo metto in dubbio, ma sarebbe stato interessante sapere la storia
dei modelli poco conosciuti tipo il 1500 e il 2500, e poi dei vari
cloni post-1200 (ecco il discorso di prima) tipo il Puma o il Panther,
e magari le varie versioni non ufficiali che sono comparse negli anni
successivi a fiere dedicate all'Amiga (mi ricordo che in un vecchio
TGM c'era la foto di un simil-A1200... che era grande poco piů del
doppio di un LETTORE DI CD-ROM!!)!

E quali programmi dedicati (cioè SOLO per C65) ci sono in giro?
Ora mi chiedi troppo :-)
Se ne parlo' all'epoca, ma non ho mai provato nulla.
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>EHI!!!! GLI AMIGA ERANO GRANDIOSI!!!!
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Il mio 1200 :..) scambiato per un 32x :..)
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tre soma, cioč Inki, Didimo, e Sasy, Sasy perchč era davvero sasy, e
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Eccolo qua il sito che cercavo!!!
http://amiga.emugaming.com


http://amiga.emugaming.com
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Grande Devil!!!!
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tre soma, cioè Inki, Didimo, e Sasy, Sasy perchè era davvero sasy, e
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> >
http://amiga.emugaming.com
Mi aggiungo pure, grande!
MrTizio