Newsgroup: it.arti.fumetti
Titolo: Paperinik e Pikappa

Hello, I'm French
Sorry not to write in Italian but I don't know your language. I just
manage to read it because it's very similar to French and Spanish.
Recently, my flat mate, (who is Italian) brought mi a PK from Italia.
I knew Papernik from my youth readings, but I wanted to know if there
was a difference between Paperinik and Pikappa. Is this comics in the
disney continuity, I mean, do Huey, Dewey, Louie, Scrooge and Gyro
Gearloose appear in the series ?
Thanx for your attention
:::ito:::

 Gearloose appear in the series ?
No. They don't appear. PK is too different from Paperinik.
If you want see some PK's stories you can buy "Super Picsou Geant" that
reprints all the stories.
--
Ciao,
Franceco

 Gearloose appear in the series ?
Yes, they did apperar, but very little: Just as much as was needed to
explain while they were not there all the time. Huey, Dewey and Louie were
traveling with the Junior Woodchucks, for Gyro they made a wonderful short
story in which he eats the car-can candies (to erase his memory) so he
totally forgets about Paperinik's real identity, while Scrooge did appear a
little bit more than the others because he owned Ducklair Tower, but still
he never was the main character of any story.
-- 
Laz - [
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
]
"Old at heart but I'm only 28 and I'm much too young to let love break my
heart"

Itomi (
itom...@yahoo.co.uk
) scrisse in una lunga notte d'inverno:
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Dans les comics de paperinik, il y a toujours gyro (archimede?) qui parle
avec paperinik, et qui sait aussi que paperinik et donald duck, ce sont la
meme personne. Dans les paperiniks, c'est gyro qui donne toujours des
choses numeriques et technologiques pour combattre les mechants.
Et les ennemis sont presque toujours des voleurs normaux.
Dans les comics de Pikappa, donald duck (uncle donald?) ne dort jamais ą la
maison, chez lui. Il fait le gardien chez Ducklair Tower, il travaille pour
son oncle scrooge, qui est le proprietaire de l'etablissement.
Dans le premier numero de pikappa, paperinik (qu'on appelle 'pikappa', dans
cette serie de comics) volait dans la nuit, comme il fait toutes le nuits.
Il trouve un étage secret (le dernier) sur la ducklair tower...et il
connait UNO (en franēais on l'appellerait 'UN'...c'est un nombre :-), qui
est une intelligence artificielle. Cet intelligence artificielle va faire
le role de Gyro pour toute la serie de comics Pikappa. UNO donnera ą
pikappa tout le necessaire pour combattre des nouveaux ennemis: les
evronians! 
Les evronians sont des aliens (extraterestres) qui viennent de Evron. Ce
sont les ennemis les plus connus dans la serie...il sont toujours presents,
dans chaque numero de Pikappa. 
Donc tu as vu qu'on a pleusieures differences antre Paperinik normal et
Pikappa. Pikappa, ēa serait une version fantascientifique de
paperinik...aussi parce qu' on fait nombreuse voyages dans le future!
Si tu as des questionnes, je serai content de te repondre.
ą bientot
-- 
@!!@ Togli NOSPAM dal mio indirizzo per rispondere!

Thanx a lot's to everyone :)

 reprints all the stories.
The fact is that I'm not either living in france, I'm in Spain, and
there a few Disneys comics are available here.

 Si tu as des questionnes, je serai content de te repondre.
Yeah thanks, a lots of questions :) and I will write they in English
for everyone to understand.
- There have been 3 successive series of Pikappa, haven't they ? 
PKNA, PK2 and PK:Pikappa. Why these two relaunches ?
- Aren't theses series repetitive ?
- Who are the new characters that do not appear in the DUCKVerse ?
- Who is ducklair and the tower ?
Thanks again.

Paperino --> Donald
Paperinik --> Fantomiald
Paperego --> Popop
Uncle Scrooge --> Balthazar Picsou
Archimede --> Geo Trouvetou
The nephews --> Riri, Fifi, Loulou

Mentre su New York calavano le prime ombre della sera...
in un angolo buio della 27a strada...
Itomi ha scritto:
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A French living in Spain speaking in English about an Italian comic 
deriving from an American one...
That's *globalization*
Hi
-- 
Tracce di Fumetto
Per rispondermi in privato toglimi IL SALUTO
Segui le tracce...
http://utenti.lycos.it/tradifu/

 Paperego --> Popop
Is this the duck with (few) long hair, red pool, and rad hat?
In English is Fethry Duck?
If so, in Italian is "Paperoga".
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 à bientot
Non conoscevo questa versione del personaggio di Paperinik: perche
avere cambiato il suo nomme e a che ciò fa riferimento in italiano ?
In Francia Paperinik si chiama "Fantomiald", gioco di parole che
associa "Fantomas" (un personaggio di letteratura popolare come
Diabolik) e "Donald". Il traduttore non aveva la buona idea...
--
Pierre

 If so, in Italian is "Paperoga".
 Oups sorry. :D

 That's *globalization*
:)
That's also internet.I was reading Paperinik younger and thanks to the
net, I've discovered that this comics was very active in Italia, and I
wanted to read it and know more.

...
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If you are interessed to know everything (and even more) about the
original Paperinik adventures time life and facts, have a look to this
web site (there is an english version as well)
www.salimbeti.com/paperinik
Andrea

 Diabolik) e "Donald". Il traduttore non aveva la buona idea...
Piu' logicamente in Francia (Fantomiald) cosi' come in Germania
(Phantomias)   hanno preferito mantenere il nome del personaggio di
cui Paperino ha ereditato tradizione e costume, in Italia venne
chiamato Fantomius (associato chiaramente a Fantomas), mentre il nome
Paperinik si ispira alla tradizione dei personaggi nei fumetti "noir"
molto in voga in Italia negli anni 60-70 il cui nome "incattivito"
prevedeva una K :  Diabolik, Kriminal, Sadik, Satanik etc.. e le
relative parodie Dorellik, Cattivik, Paperinik...
Andrea

  Oups sorry. :D
No problem. I was asking it only to know if we were talking about the 
same Duck (Fethry) :-)
Bye
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 relative parodie Dorellik, Cattivik, Paperinik...
Siete molto piu' informati di me =)
Mi piace scoprire tutte queste cose! 
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 - Who is ducklair and the tower ?
I read only the first serie: PiKappa: New Adventures, and the first two
numbers of PK2.
I think the series are not repetitive, i saw that in the first two numbers
of PK2 all was different: new characters and new kind of stories.
Everett Ducklair was the owner of Ducklair Tower (which is a high skyscraper
in the town of Pikappa) before Scrooge bought it. 
Everett is a scientist who built up the Ducklair Tower with many secrets
(such as the secret floor): there are many things built up by him that
Paperinik and the Artificial Intelligence can use.
Everett Ducklair used to build things that he couldn't control: these things
often were not good, and usually rebelled against Everett, their inventor.
Once been fed up with this kind of errors, Everett went to Himalaya in a
monastery (hermitage) to keep his mind free of those wills (of building bad
things). There he learnt the art of telepathy and such things.
Sometimes he came back in some PK numbers to help paperinik defeating some
enemies (such as TWO, the bad red artificial intelligence, the bad brother
of ONE...which is green).
For example, in PK2 serie, Everett comes back from Himalaya and becomes
again the owner of Ducklair Tower. He resets the artificial intelligence
ONE, and gets rid of PiKappa. It seems to be that Everett becomes an enemy
of Pikappa....but I don't know, because I have read only the first two
numbers of the serie.
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 numbers of the serie.
Thanks one more time =) =)

 Andrea
Yeah :) cheers, I was searching something like that

stile.
ma chi ha creato paperinik?
__ 
echo off

...
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Elisa Penna (capo redattore Topolino negli anni 60-70) insieme a Guido
Martina (sceneggiatore) e graficamente da Giovan Battista Carpi, nel
lontano 1969.
comunque per saperne di piu' sulle origini di Paperinik
www.salimbeti.com/paperinik/origini.htm
Andrea

 Andrea
Ragazzi, il sito di Andrea e' consigliatissimo, c'e' "tutto quello che 
avreste voluto sapere su Paperinik e non avete mai osato chiedere" :-)
[SPOT]
"Tracce di Fumetto" (
http://utenti.lycos.it/tradifu/
) gli da' sei stelle 
(su sei, il massimo).
Ciao
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