Newsgroup: it.arti.fumetti
Titolo: "Slam Dunk" -- Inoue stole NBA's images

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Suetsugu stole Inoue's images and made $ 0.2 million.
Inoue stole NBA's images and made $ 200 million.
Which is a bigger story?
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Jalen Rose
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Dear sir:
Please see the appended images from the famous cartoon
"Slam dunk", which sold over 100 million copies in
Japan.
"Slam dunk" might have appropriated the attached
photographs of the NBA players.
I want to hear your opinion of this matter. Yours very
sincerely. 
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Inoue stole NBA's images and made $ 200 million?
Any comments?
http://www.geocities.jp/slamdunk_trace
 (the best site to see the
images)
http://d.hatena.ne.jp/orangestar/20051030/1130635885
http://www.yuko2ch.net/inoue/gazou.htm
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He copied some poses from photos?  Who the fuck cares?
-miles
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Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it
has to be us.  -- Jerry Garcia

I'm pretty sure that mangaka use photos all the time for backgrounds
and poses; especially for sports manga I can see the importance to get
it right. The question is only if he had the right to use those
particular photos, otherwise I cannot see a problem with the practice
of using photos.
My 2 yen.
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 My 2 yen.
The only reason this is being brought up is because of Sueseki Yuki (if I 
got the name right?) who copied her basketball images for Flower of Eden 
from Slam Dunk and has had all her manga titles discontinued as punishment.  
Meanwhile, Inoue copies photos and continues to make millions.  Which one 
is worse?
Andrew H

 Andrew H
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Chuck Stewart
"Anime-style catgirls: Threat? Menace? Or just studying algebra?"

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The NBA photographs are moments of "real life as it happens" that the 
photographer happened to capture, while Inoue's drawings are not.  There's a 
difference there.  It would be no different than if he caught some NBA 
footage on tape, paused it, and copied the still image.
Arnold Kim 

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   I think some people have a problem with condemning someone for tracing
   over copyrighted drawings, and not condemning the original artist for
   tracing over copyrighted photographs to make the "original drawings."
   Seems to me both could be held liable for copyright infringement, 
   since both made copies of original copyrighted works.  The NBA might
   not take too kindly o me making a copy of their artwork and selling
   it, no matter how the copy was made.
   Cap.
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 continues to make millions.  Which one is worse?
There's a big difference between copying poses and adapting them and copying 
content. 

    Cap.
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 And admitted so.
   There is such a thing as "falling on one's sword" to prevent
   embarassing your superiors.
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   it, no matter how the copy was made.
Maybe he is actually talented enough to not trace them.  I have a friend who
can look at an anime picture and draw an exact dupilcated w/o tracing.
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 embarassing your superiors.
Sorry, no go.
It's possible Inoue traced 
etc, but it's also possible 
he just drew the image using 
the photo as a reference. 
The other one (forgot name) 
is said to have admitted 
directly copying *Inoue's* 
work.
And whatever might lie 
behind that admission the 
fact remains that drawing 
a copy of a photo can be 
considered original work, 
especially if modified, 
while copying another 
artists work isn't...
even if modified.
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 especially if modified, 
It would depend on the degree of modification. If the drawing is 
recognisably based on someone else's photograph (e.g. same composition) 
then it is copyright infringement, and artists have been sued for this, 
e.g. I recall the case of a painter who had based one of his oil paintings 
on a photograph of a yacht at sea, he was successfully sued when the 
photographer recognised it. If you're going to work from a photograph you 
should use one of your own, or else only use it as a reference for isolated 
details and not for the composition or other artistic qualities of the 
original photograph.

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I'd laugh my ass off if, after all this, it turns out that she got 
permission from the NBA before hand. 

 He copied some poses from photos?  Who the fuck cares?
I don't understand it either, but the hysteria over these
lame similarities makes me realize why draconian copyright
laws keep getting passed, DRM spirals out of control, and
rights to Mickey Mouse will be extended until the sun burns
out. Ultimately people seem to enjoy these witchunts, no matter
how trivial (really, some basketball scenes in a shoujo manga?
Forget H5N1, _this_ must be the true sign of the apocalypse!)

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Although Slam Dunk is a shonen manga!  And the shoujo artist
should not have copied the Slam Dunk images or at least not
admitted doing it.  Don't people know how to say it was homage,
HOMAGE!  And also I lost the original artwork.
You know Hagiwara is actually drawing Bastard for reals because
it takes him 4 years to finish one volume's worth or material, that
my friends is an artist!
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my friends is an artist!
are you joking right?
i read only the first two volumes, and i did never see so many pages
stolen from frazetta.
maybe now it takes such a long time because frazetta is not working
with the same speed as before ;-)
mark from italy

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Legdrop of d00m!
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own.
Get a copy of David Mack's "Kabuki - Circle of Blood" and have fun
trying to find out how many of his panels where actually photocopied
from (ot at least HEAVILY based on) pictures appearing on the popular
photograpic book, "A Day in the Life of Japan".
Just to name one, the capsule hotel in "Chapter 3 - Broken" of Mack's
work comes from page 210-11 of the aforementioned book... and this is
not the most blatant case...
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 photograpic book, "A Day in the Life of Japan".
Hmmm...?
It's quite possible. And determining 
if the original work was transformed 
into its new context, and if so how 
much so,  is very often the hub of 
copyright lawsuits. 
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