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Titolo: [LUNGO]Alan Moore: ?Dodgem Logic?

 Not only seeking to give practical advice on getting through a rough 
stretch, Dodgem Logic is also committed to alleviating the attendant sense 
of anguish and despair by brightening the world with the astonishing 
cartoon-work of League of Extraordinary Gentlemen?s sublime Kevin O?Neill or 
that of underground legend Savage Pencil; the musings of Father Ted, The IT 
Crowd and Black Book?s own Graham Linehan or of the nation?s sweetheart, the 
implacably positive Josie Long; even a delirious commemoration of the lunar 
landing?s anniversary by the masterful Steve Aylett. In addition to a 
variously-hosted women?s column launched by Lost Girls co-creator and 
erstwhile underground cartoon artist Melinda Gebbie, Mr. Moore will himself 
be contributing a lead feature on the history of underground subversive 
publishing from its origins in the thirteenth century, along with various 
illustrations and words of advice. All these and many other sterling 
features, including a free CD of magnificent home-grown Northampton music 
over fifty years, will be contained in the historic premiere issue, sporting 
an hallucinatory  front cover by digital artist Tamara Rogers and debuting 
this November. Wake up and smell the fairground ozone! No ramming!
Sempre sul sito della figlia e del genero ci possono reperire altre 
informazioni (in pratica come fare per ordinarla):
http://www.moorereppion.com/dogem-logic-latest/14/10/2009/
Per chi fosse interessato alle parole del Sommo su questa sua nuova 
operazione ecco un'intervista:
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Alan Moore talks Dodgem Logic 
an exclusive interview about his new magazine
Alan Moore launches his bi-monthly magazine Dodgem Logic in November, 
featuring articles and artwork by himself and various other contributors, 
including Mustard magazine. We spoke to him at his Northampton home.
Hi Alan, you ready?
cover of Dodgem Logic #1
The cover of Dodgem Logic issue #1
Hullo Alex. Yep, I?m sitting down, I?ve got me cup of tea ? well, half a cup 
of tea ? and I?m ready to go.
Okay, first question: what does the title Dodgem Logic mean?
I first used the name Dodgem Logic on a fanzine that I attempted to do back 
in 1975, when I was in my early 20s. To be honest it doesn?t really mean 
anything specific, it?s just suggestive of what we?re going for. On the 
first issue we?ve used the tagline ?colliding ideas to see what happens?, 
which is as much of an agenda as you?re going to get from us. It?s the idea 
that, if we just connect all these various diverse people and enterprises 
that we?re in touch with, then there might be something quite lovely and 
extraordinary come out of the interaction.
We want to provide something that is going to illuminate the rather dismal 
times that we are currently going through ? and which I tend to suspect will 
be getting a lot worse ? as well as giving people some practical 
information. Whether that?s under the rubric of our recipe pages, DIY 
clothing pages, articles on squatting or the more political articles. To 
keep people informed in a way the conventional media doesn?t do anymore.
A sort of alternative press?
Well, we?ve tried to resurrect a spirit of the 60s underground papers, but 
without the look or ambience or some of the oversights. There were a lot of 
very good ideas that emerged from the 60s underground. It was the first 
place I heard about women?s liberation ? as we used to call it then ? or gay 
liberation. They were fanatically anti-war. Many of their most extreme 
political statements, such as the fact that sometimes the police kill 
people, or that sometimes we make deals with dictators and criminal 
governments that we keep quiet about ? these things are pretty much standard 
stuff of conversation these days and not reserved purely for bearded wild-
eyed burbling radicals (chuckles).
Certainly the response that we?ve had to the bits of news about Dodgem Logic 
that have leaked out has been very, very positive. People seem to have been 
waiting a long time for Dodgem Logic, or at least what they hope Dodgem 
Logic is going to be. We?ll either manage to offend nobody or everybody ? 
that?s okay, as long as it?s all encompassing.
if we just connect all these various diverse people, then there might be 
something quite lovely and extraordinary come out of the interaction
So there?s an overtly political thrust to the mag?
To a certain extent. In the second issue I?m doing a piece on anarchy: the 
practicalities of it, and how it might be made to work without just fucking 
everything up forever (laughs). I?ve been reading some stuff about 
Sortition, which is basically a bit like the old Athenian government by lot. 
Which strikes me as a way you could still have a government which would not 
contradict the central anarchist tenet of no leaders. Yes, you need massive 
constitutional reform, but on the other hand when circumstances are as 
desperate as they are at the moment, when our political masters are buying 
mink coats for their swans on expenses, then what is unthinkable, 
politically, in this day and age?
These are ideas I?m going to be pushing and I suppose there is a political 
agenda, but it?s mainly a humanitarian one.
Why choose to do a printed magazine rather than the cheaper and easier 
option of a webzine?
I like artefacts. I like things I can hold in my hand and clutter my house 
with. Webzines are all a bit ethereal. If people want an internet magazine, 
there are plenty out there. If, on the other hand, there are still some old 
fashioned luddites out there who enjoy the smell of fresh paper, then 
hopefully it will appeal to them. Y?know, that?s one of the things I liked 
about Mustard, the fact that someone had spent time and love making this 
object.
What?s in Dodgem Logic?s first issue?
Well, there?s a lot of very funny stuff, some of which you are responsible 
for, Alex! And Josie Long is doing a lovely essay in the first issue, with 
one of her little pie charts, showing boys that she has told she loves and 
the relative sincerity ? it?s marvellous.
We?ve got a wonderful story from Steve Aylett, a commemoration of the moon 
landing from his unique perspective. It?s almost like a poem, discussing 
what a wonderful world it would have been, if only Armstrong had been 
interesting.
Kevin O'Neill artwork for Dodgem Logic #1
"Bewildering and upsetting, but absolutely lovely"
Kevin O'Neill artwork for Dodgem Logic issue #1
We?ve got some great cartoons ? Kevin O?Neill?s in there. He?s doing the 
most obscene, bizarre thing I have ever seen. I said to him, ?do whatever 
you want?, which is the last thing you should say to Kevin O?Neill! He sent 
me back this beautiful page ? Christ knows what the hell it is. It looks 
like it?s something to do with sex, but I?ve no idea. He had a note with it 
saying ?Mother of God, will someone please not help me? (laughs). Judge for 
yourself. It?s a full page colour picture from the mind of Kevin O?Neill, 
which is not a place that any of us would visit willingly, believe me. 
Bewildering and upsetting, but absolutely lovely.
And Melinda [Gebbie, Alan's wife and 'Lost Girls' artist] has done a 
brilliant opening article about the failure of feminism, for a rotating 
woman?s column. Not a rotating woman (laughs); we?ll be rotating the author 
of the column every issue, so that it?s not just one opinionated columnist 
who, after four or five issues will be just bitching about their home life. 
Hopefully we?ve got a young teenage mother who?ll be doing the second issue. 
We want to give it to pensioners, all sorts of people.
We haven?t got a sort of overriding agenda, we want to leave it open. Like 
Graham Linehan?s piece on Twitter; it?s something Graham wanted to write 
about, so even though I?m not such a fan of Twitter, indeed, barely know 
what it is, it?s good he?s given a voice to talk about that. We want to give 
a colourful and vibrant platform for various people to talk about what they 
want.
So there?s a fair bit of comedy: Steve Aylett, Josie Long, Graham Linehan...
I seem to know a lot of comics these days. I think that?s great; we need 
that stuff in the mag. When we?re talking about the current bleak conditions 
we need people like you, Josie, Graham and Stewart... and possibly Matt 
Berry, who I?m going to see if I can lure into doing something in a future 
issue. And who knows? This seems to be snowballing and I think a lot of 
people are going to want to have a part in this. The sky is the limit.
You?re writing the lead article in the first issue?
Yes, quite a beefy article on the underground press, beginning with its 
inception in, surprisingly, the 13th century. I wouldn?t have thought it 
went back any further than the printing press, but apparently there were 
handwritten pamphlets that were being circulated amongst the plague carts in 
the 1200s.
So it?s about the history of the alternative press running up to the modern 
day. The article?s about six pages long and we?ve taken care to illustrate 
it with some of the most objectionable bits of the underground mags, just to 
get us into trouble so we can say we?re starting from the point where they 
left off (chuckles).
we haven?t got a sort of overriding agenda, we want to leave it open
And there?s a free CD with the first issue?
Yes, a beautiful CD called Nation of Saints, after a concept that was around 
in this part of the country during the 17th century, when you?d got John 
Bunyan and the various radical groups in the English Civil War. There was a 
lot of civil war action round here. We made all the boots for Cromwell?s New 
Model Army. I don?t think the bastard paid us! But there you go, it?s a long 
time ago and we can move on.
Anyway, there was this notion among them that after God had wiped away the 
kings and popes ? the wealthy and the godless people of power and the 
opponents of Puritanism ? and raised his new Jerusalem, then this would take 
the form of a nation where everybody was a saint. So you?d have no need of 
leaders, priests or kings and everyone could be a ?mechanic philosopher?, 
which meant you could be a tinker by day, but at night you?d got as much 
right to stand up and preach the word of the Lord as anybody. Basically, 
it?s an anarchist notion. You can see how it would have really frightened 
the authorities at the time and why Bunyan spent nearly 30 years in prison.
So we?ve called the CD Nation of Saints. It?s 74 minutes long, which I?m 
assured is as long as a CD can possibly be, and it?s got 20 or so tracks by 
Northampton musicians going back to the very early 60s, possibly late 50s, 
right up to the present day.
I thought it might be a bit of a hodge podge, but that?s not how it?s turned 
out. We had Josh and Charlie from the Retro Spankees, a marvellous modern 
band from Northampton, do all the mastering and they somehow made it really 
work. You?ve got urban hip-hop tracks right next to pieces of country and 
western. Everything is pretty well represented there. I?ve got a track on it 
myself with Downtown Joe Brown and the Retro Spankees, and we kick off the 
album, because I?m the boss and can indulge myself as much as I want 
(chuckles).
It?s going to be a bit different to the usual giveaway CD, which just 
features whichever artist has got albums being released that month. It?s all 
music from Northampton, some of which nobody?s ever heard of, but we?ve also 
got a track from The Jazz Butcher on there and a lovely track from David J 
of Bauhaus, who sent over this demo that he?d done and never finished 
because he liked it how it was. It?s called 2000 Light Years From Gold 
Street and we close the CD with it. It?s lovely. A thing of beauty and a joy 
forever.
Mustard page for Dodgem Logic #1
'The Daily Mustard' will be a regular
two-page feature in Dodgem Logic
Whic reminds me, watever happened to those songs you did for The Black 
Dossier?
They are still floating around. DC decided to get pissy at the last minute 
and refused to issue them because one of the songs sounds a bit like the 
Fireball XL5 theme tune.
We are talking about possibly, when we finish League: Century next year, or 
the year after, bringing out an album with the collected edition which would 
include the two songs which were supposed to be in The Black Dossier. That 
might be slightly problematic. We did have a contretemps with the owners of 
Brecht and Weill?s music [characters in 'League: Century' sing new lyrics to 
the tune of 'The Threepenny Opera'], despite the fact that all the words are 
different and, y?know, you can?t actually hear music in a comic.
However, it turns out that the owners of Brecht and Weill?s music are a 
little known company called Warner Chappell of New York. So, yes, it?s my 
old publishers. They were giving us a little bit of stick and we?ll probably 
have to settle. After all, they?re Warner Bros and they?ve got tons of 
money. However, there is some possibility of a record to accompany the 
finished book.
What do you have planned for future issues of Dodgem Logic?
We?ve got a lot of good stuff coming up in the second issue. Melinda?s doing 
an article on Burlesque and a brilliant local photographer, Mitch Jenkinson, 
who?s going to be doing our cover, is doing an inside spread with some of 
the local Burlesque ladies. That should be a pretty good-looking issue.
Then the issue after that we?ve hopefully got Gorillaz onboard. They came 
down to Northampton last week because we?re planning for me to do the 
libretto on their next opera project. Being an opportunist, I of course 
asked them if they?d be prepared to contribute some pages to Dodgem Logic. 
Rather than just doing an interview with them, I thought it would be 
interesting to hand over a few pages for them to curate.
And just today Stewart Lee was saying he?d love to do something for a future 
issue. So if we build it they will come, that?s our philosophy.
What made you decide to start the magazine?
One of the things that gave birth to Dodgem Logic was when I was 
contributing to a magazine called OVR2U, a youth and community magazine that 
was being put out by a local council and police funded organisation called 
CASPAR. It had gone down very well with the school kids and libraries and we 
were talking about a 2nd edition. The magazine was aimed at the Boroughs 
area of Northampton, where I?d grown up, which is still one of the most 
deprived areas of the UK. And I?d said it was a pity we couldn?t talk about 
the real problems the people in those areas were facing.
for issue #3 we?ve hopefully got Gorillaz onboard; we?ve been planning for 
me to do the libretto on their next opera project
Lucy [now working on Dodgem Logic], who was working for OVR2U at the time, 
agreed. She said I should put together a short article, just 400 words, 
talking about the real problems that we had down in that area, where we cram 
all the most vulnerable people that we don?t want to deal with as a society. 
So that?s any unattractive immigrant groups, people with mental health 
issues who?ve been put in the non-existent care in the community. Youngsters 
who?ve just come out of care and are put into tower blocks like St 
Katherine?s Court, which we?d just found out had been condemned by the fire 
service. But when the authorities who were publishing the magazine found out 
we were doing this article they said ?you can?t do that, it?s critical of 
the council?.
Lucy and I had been talking about doing an independent magazine, and at that 
point she suggested that maybe she would work for CASPAR three days a week 
and work two days a week free on our project. But she was told that if she 
worked on a magazine that was critical of the council she wouldn?t have a 
job for the other three days a week. So I suggested that I could guarantee 
her wages for six months and she could work full time on Dodgem Logic.
Because we really wanted to talk about some of this stuff; it?s real and it 
doesn?t get into the local papers, let alone the nationals. And Northampton 
is pretty much a symbol of Anytown UK. We?ve all got boarded up high 
streets; it?s becoming a homogenous landscape.
Alan Moore's self-drawn comic strip from Dodgem Logic issue 1</em>
Alan Moore's self-drawn comic strip from Dodgem Logic issue 1
 
 
Hopefully, the way we?ve got Dodgem Logic set up will enable other areas, if 
they want, to bring out their own regional edition. We?ve got this eight-
page local insert; purely local news, including local music reviews and a 
lot of political articles. So all they?d have to do is provide their own 
insert.
Not every magazine has to be centred in London. There are other big cities. 
Northampton's at the geographical centre of England. We?re at the political 
and economic median as well. We?ve got just as much right to claim 
universality as anywhere (chuckles).
Is doing Dodgem Logic going to slow down your work on the League comics and 
your prose novel Jerusalem?
I?m just writing the last-but-one page of League: Century at the moment, 
then I?ll have written all three parts and I won?t have to think about 
League for another year, at least. I will be getting back on with Jerusalem 
and the Book of Magic, which are both paused, but I?m pretty certain I can 
do these things with Dodgem Logic going on as well.
And I?m even getting to do a little bit of drawing again. For the first 
issue I?ve done a page of comic strip, my first underground comic for about 
25 years. I always wanted to be an underground cartoonist, y?know ? I just 
got sidetracked.
Mustard #04: Alan Moore
See also the 15-page
Alan Moore interview
in Mustard issue #04
Dodgem Logic comes out every other month and costs ï¿œ2.50. Issue #1 is due 
out in Northampton shops in November and nationwide in December.
The magazine will be available from comic book stores and alternative shops, 
and possibly also a major bookstore chain and major video store chain (tbc). 
It will also be available from the websites of Knockabout (the mag's UK 
distributors) and Top shelf (US distributors) and the Dodgem Logic website 
when it launches in mid-November.
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http://www.moorereppion.com/alan-moore-talks-about-dodgem-
logic/19/10/2009/)
-- 
	Andy Roid

 Northampton.
Attendo con ansia il metodo migliore per metterci sopra le mani
dall'Italia fin dall'annuncio di Leah Moore settimane fa. 8-)
--
Laz

 dall'Italia fin dall'annuncio di Leah Moore settimane fa. 8-)
io ho ordinato 3 copie da Forbidden Planet.
-- 
	Andy Roid

 Il venerd� 23 ottobre 2009 12:43 Laz (
spre...@gmail.com
) ha scritto su

Io ho fatto l'abbonamento direttamente dal mio fumettaro :) 

 Io ho fatto l'abbonamento direttamente dal mio fumettaro :)
e' confermato che si puo' comprare tramite pegasus? 
-- 
	Andy Roid

 e' confermato che si puo' comprare tramite pegasus?
Non ne ho idea... se vuoi chiedo al mio fumettaro. Se ti � d'aiuto ha detto 
che l'abbonamento � andato a buon fine... 

 che l'abbonamento ï¿œ andato a buon fine...
A dire il vero sto attendendo una risposta anche dai miei fumettari che si 
stavano informando. Passata Lucca, li stressero' un po'.
-- 
	Andy Roid