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Titolo: 250.000 $ a chi prova l'Evoluzione!

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Dr. Hovind's $250,000 Offer
formerly $10,000, offered since 1990
  I have a standing offer of $250,000 to anyone who can give any empirical
evidence (scientific proof) for evolution.*  My $250,000 offer demonstrates
that the hypothesis of evolution is nothing more than a religious belief.
  Observed phenomena:
  Most thinking people will agree that-- 
  1. A highly ordered universe exists.
  2. At least one planet in this complex universe contains an amazing
variety of life forms.
  3. Man appears to be the most advanced form of life on this planet.
  Known options:
  Choices of how the observed phenomena came into being-- 
  1. The universe was created by God.
  2. The universe always existed.
  3. The universe came into being by itself by purely natural processes
(known as evolution) so that no appeal to the supernatural is needed.
  Evolution has been acclaimed as being the only process capable of causing
the observed phenomena.
  Evolution is presented in our public school textbooks as a process that:
  1. Brought time, space, and matter into existence from nothing.
  2. Organized that matter into the galaxies, stars, and at least nine
planets around the sun. (This process is often referred to as cosmic
evolution.)
  3. Created the life that exists on at least one of those planets from
nonliving matter (chemical evolution).
  4. Caused the living creatures to be capable of and interested in
reproducing themselves.
  5. Caused that first life form to spontaneously diversify into different
forms of living things, such as the plants and animals on the earth today
(biological evolution).
  People believe in evolution; they do not know that it is true. While
beliefs are certainly fine to have, it is not fair to force on the students
in our public school system the teaching of one belief, at taxpayers'
expense. It is my contention that evolutionism is a religious worldview that
is not supported by science, Scripture, popular opinion, or common sense.
The exclusive teaching of this dangerous, mind-altering philosophy in
tax-supported schools, parks, museums, etc., is also a clear violation of
the First Amendment.
  How to collect the $250,000:
  Prove beyond reasonable doubt that the process of evolution (option 3
above, under "known options") is the only possible way the observed
phenomena could have come into existence. Only empirical evidence is
acceptable. Persons wishing to collect the $250,000 may submit their
evidence in writing or schedule time for a public presentation. A committee
of trained scientists will provide peer review of the evidence offered and,
to the best of their ability, will be fair and honest in their evaluation
and judgment as to the validity of the evidence presented.
  If you are convinced that evolution is an indisputable fact, may I suggest
that you offer $250,000 for any empirical or historical evidence against the
general theory of evolution. This might include the following:
  1. The earth is not billions of years old (thus destroying the possibility
of evolution having happened as it is being taught).
  2. No animal has ever been observed changing into any fundamentally
different kind of animal.
  3. No one has ever observed life spontaneously arising from nonliving
matter.
  4. Matter cannot make itself out of nothing.
  My suggestion:
  Proponents of the theory of evolution would do well to admit that they
believe in evolution, but they do not know that it happened the way they
teach. They should call evolution their "faith" or "religion," and stop
including it in books of science. Give up faith in the silly religion of
evolutionism, and trust the God of the Bible (who is the Creator of this
universe and will be your Judge, and mine, one day soon) to forgive you and
to save you from the coming judgment on man's sin.
  * NOTE:
  When I use the word evolution, I am not referring to the minor variations
found in all of the various life forms (microevolution). I am referring to
the general theory of evolution which believes these five major events took
place without God:
    1.. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves.
    2.. Planets and stars formed from space dust.
    3.. Matter created life by itself.
    4.. Early life-forms learned to reproduce themselves.
    5.. Major changes occurred between these diverse life forms (i.e., fish
changed to amphibians, amphibians changed to reptiles, and reptiles changed
to birds or mammals).
  Answers to Commonly Asked Questions about the $250,000 Offer
  Students in tax-supported schools are being taught that evolution is a
fact. We are convinced that evolution is a religion masquerading as science
and should not be part of any science curriculum. It has nothing to do with
the subject of science. There are at least six different and unrelated
meanings to the word "evolution" as used in science textbooks.
    1.. Cosmic evolution- the origin of time, space and matter. Big Bang
    2.. Chemical evolution- the origin of higher elements from hydrogen.
    3.. Stellar and planetary evolution- Origin of stars and planets.
    4.. Organic evolution- Origin of life from inanimate matter.
    5.. Macroevolution Origin of major kinds.
    6.. Microevolution Variations within kinds. Only this one has been
observed, the first five are religious. They are believed, by faith, even
though there is no empirical evidence to prove them in any way. While I
admire the great faith of the evolutionists who accept the first five I
object to having this religious propaganda included in with legitimate
science at taxpayer's expense.
  Even a quick review of a typical public school textbook will show that
students are being deceived into thinking all six types of evolution above
have been proven because evidence is given for minor variations called
micro-evolution. The first five are smuggled in when no one is watching.
  This deception is a classic case of bait and switch. One definition of
evolution (such as "descent with modification") is given and the others are
assumed to be true by association. The first five meanings are believed by
faith, have never been observed and are religious. Only the last one is
scientific. It is also what the Bible predicted would happen. The animals
and plants would bring forth "after their kind" in Genesis 1.
  Many have responded to my offer of $250,000 for scientific proof for
evolution. The terms and conditions of the offer are detailed very clearly
on my web site 
www.drdino.com
. Here are some answers to some commonly asked
questions.
    1.. The offer is legitimate. A wealthy friend of mine has the money in
the bank. If the conditions of the offer are met, the money will be paid out
immediately. My word is good.
    2.. The members of the committee of scientists that will judge the
evidence are all highly trained, have advanced degrees in science as well as
many years of experience in their field. For example: there is a zoologist,
a geologist, an aerospace engineer, a professor of radiology and biophysics,
and an expert in radio metric dating to name a few. They are busy people and
do not wish to waste time on foolish responses. Nor do they wish to waste
time arguing with skeptics and scoffers who seem to have nothing else to do
than ask silly questions when they really don't want answers (so far this
has been the typical response to the offer). I will not reveal their names
for this reason. Any legitimate evidence will be forward to them and they
will respond. At that time they may identify themselves if they choose. The
merit of the evidence presented and the reasonableness of their response
does not depend on who they are.
    3.. Evidence of minor changes within the same kind of plant or animal
does not qualify as evidence and will not be sent to the committee to waste
their time. For example, doubling the chromosome number of a sterile hybrid
does not add additional genetic information; it duplicates what is already
present in the parent plant. Because of the absence of additional genetic
information the resultant plant can't be classified as different or new
species. The plant may differ in a number of ways - bigger, vigorous as
observed in any polyploid plants. Such easily recognizable phenotypic
changes have confused many. Some evolutionists have jumped to the conclusion
that a new species has been evolved. The key is that no new genetic
information has been added. Even a new "species" is not proof for evolution
as the offer calls for. See the conditions of the $250,000 offer on the web
site. Some have insisted on a precise definition of the word "kind". The
Bible defines "kind" as those that are able to "bring forth" or reproduce.
Those animals that were originally able to reproduce were of the same kind.
There may be diversity now, 6000 years later, that could cause some
varieties of the original kind to not be able to reproduce now. For example,
I understand that rabbits from Alaska cannot breed with rabbits from Florida
yet they are still the same kind of animal. It is obvious that a dog and a
wolf are the same "kind" of animal (they are currently classed as different
"species" yet are inter-fertile-- hmmm, what is the precise definition of
"species"?) where a dog and a fish are not. While there may be some blurry
areas that would be worthy of research in defining the original kinds,
rather than muddy the issue with these type questions it would be wise to
focus on the obvious cases like the dog/fish comparison. These are obviously
different "kinds" of animals. So, for the sake of clarity, prove the dog and
the fish evolved from a common ancestor. The honest scientist would be wise
to admit that no evidence exists that could begin to prove the dog and the
fish have a common ancestor. He may believe that they are related but that
is not science and that is my point in the offer. Some believe this type of
evolution happens but it should not be presented to innocent students as a
"fact". Further, it certainly is not evidence that the other four
definitions of evolution have occurred.
    4.. The idea that the majority of scientists believe in the theory is
not evidence either. Majority opinion is often wrong and must be corrected.
History is full of examples.
    5.. Anonymous letters will be ignored.
  Rather than simply sending in scientific evidence for evolution, some have
wasted lots of their time and mine sending letters demanding to know who is
on the committee, what bank account the money is in, asking Bill Clinton
type questions about the definition of words like "is", etc. When I do not
respond the way they want me to they post notices on their web sites
claiming that I owe them the money or that the offer is a sham! It is
obvious they are using the Red Herring tactic to draw attention away from
the fact that they have no evidence to support the religion of evolution. I
tell everyone who inquires, if you have some evidence, send it in, don't
beat around the bush. Give us the best you have on the first try please to
save time.
  Many have offered evidence of microevolution and assumed that the other 5
meanings of the word are somehow magically connected. They don't seem to
realize that they are blinded to the obvious. Treat the $250,000 offer as a
lawyer would treat a 'who-done-it' case. It is your job to prove that what
is being taught to our kids as fact (all six meanings of the word evolution
above), is indeed a fact. If this cannot be done then it should be admitted
that evolution is a religion but not a science. Some say it is unfair to
define evolution including the origin of the universe. They say it only has
to do with "change in gene frequency over time." All you need to do is read
your local textbook and see that all 6 meanings of the word are part of what
is taught as evolution theory. If these nay Sayers are agreeing that it
should not be included then they should help me get it out of the books, if
they are genuine.
  Over the years I have heard many evolutionists say, "Evolution is a theory
like gravity is a theory. Don't you believe in gravity?" They repeat this
mantra as if repetition will make it true. Their example is silly of course.
We can all observe gravity every moment of our lives. We can do tests and
experiments to verify the theory of gravity. No one has ever seen an
exception to it. By the same token, no one has ever observed evolution nor
been able to demonstrate any evolution beyond minor variations within the
kind. To try to make evolution science by associating it with theories like
gravity is ridiculous.
  Nearly all responses to my $250,000 offer go something like this: "Of
course no one can prove evolution, can you prove creation?" This response is
what I expected and wanted. Neither theory of origins can be proven. Both
involve a great deal of faith in the unseen. So my next logical question is:
"Why do I have to pay for the evolution religion to be taught to all the
students in the tax supported school system?" Since all taxpayers are being
forced to pay for evolution to be taught exclusively in public schools and
evolutionists have had the last 130 years and billions of dollars in
research grants to prove their religion, the burden of proof is on them to
supply proof of their theory.
  I do not have time or interest in getting involved in long e-mail debates,
but I will talk to anyone by phone or debate with any qualified scientist
(even a panel of evolutionists) in a public forum at a university, on radio
or TV, as long as there is equal time for each position not each person. If
you call, please have a list of topics to discuss or questions to ask and
feel free to record the conversation if you like. Just inform me that you
are recording please. I hope this response is satisfactory.
  I have taught for years that evolution is nothing but a religion mixed in
with real science. Many have been duped into believing in it. There is no
evidence that any plant or animal ever can or did change to any other kind
or creature. It is time that intelligent people the world over began to
admit that the king has no clothes! There is no evidence for changes between
kinds of animals. The Bible teaches that God made them to "bring forth after
their kind." This is all that has ever been observed. The same Bible teaches
that everyone will face the Creator one day to be judged for everything they
have said, done or thought. I recommend that everyone prepare for that day
by taking advantage of God's mercy and forgiveness afforded through the free
salvation offered to any who will confess their sin and receive Jesus Christ
as their Lord. If you are interested in learning more about becoming a
Christian, please call me. I travel a lot but always take time for calls
when I am in the office. I am most often in Wednesday through Friday at
850-479-3466
. Check my itinerary on my web site for my location if you need
to talk with me while I am out speaking. If possible, attend a seminar.
Seminars are free and we always have a question answer time for those who
attend.
  Sincerely,
  Kent Hovind
  See our Other articles here.

Accetto... 
Ma voglio prima un regolare contratto, con penali e precise
indicazioni... :-)
Non fare come il tuo premier.. che firma contratti da solo... e senza
penali... perche' sa che non li onorera'... :-)
I soldi li gradirei in tagli da 100 e la divisa... euro.. visto che i
dollari sono un pochino in ribasso...
Mandami gli estremi del contratto... con la tua partita IVA e il
Codice Fiscale... ;-)
Fammi sapere quando ci sara' da firmarlo... :-)
VR
"La fonte principale degli attuali contrasti fra le sfere della 
religione e della scienza si trova nella concezione di un Dio 
personale." 
Albert Einstein. Pensieri di un uomo curioso, 
Oscar Mondadori Ed. 1997, Milano; p. 115. 
***************
La rivincita darwiniana 
sul reverendo Paley:
www.diolaico.it
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E' tutto nel sito.
Ricordati di me quando diventerai ricco :-)))

 formerly $10,000, offered since 1990
e io offro una birra a chi dimostra che sei un idiota....
-- 
L' intero progetto GNU è in realtà un solo grande hack,
una grande azione di intelligenza creativa e sovversiva
intesa a cambiare la società in meglio. (Richard Stallman)

 e io offro una birra a chi dimostra che sei un idiota....
Potresti offrire direttamente da bere a lui...
-- 
Do. Or do not.
There is no try.

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Si'... ti compro un gregge smisurato di pecore..  sai quanto sarai
felice  cosi'!!!!
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l'evoluzione è dimostrata dai batteri, se non si evolvessero si
potrebbero facilmente eliminare con un antibiotico, nella realtà si
evolvono in una forma resistente.
ok, sgancia, in pezzi da 100$

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Si chiama adattamento non evoluzione


Uhuuhu...
Definisci evoluzione, please.
Temo sia necessario, a questo punto.
E poi magari mettiamo giù due righe di contratto, neh?
Per via che a ciacere no s'en sgionfa done, come diciamo noi montanari.
Danilo
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Inviato via 
http://arianna.libero.it/usenet/

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tornando al mio discorso:
in questo caso (come negli altri) l'adattamento è una modifica del
dna, quindi un evoluzione.

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L'Escherichia Coli c'era 100.00000000000000000000 di ,miliardi anni fa ed è
lo stesso oggi.I batteri sono la piu' clamorosa dimostrazione di
fissismo.Dai tempi di pasteur con un ciclo di replicazione di 20-30 minuti
abbiamo avuto 100000000000000000000000000000 di generazioni e mai osservate
nuove specie.
Fidati essendo io  fra i primi 10 batteriologi  in Italia.

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 Fidati essendo io fra i primi 10 batteriologi in Italia.
:-)
L'unico modo in cui potresti esserlo diventato, č un elezione per
acclamazione al raduno degli alpini. E, anche lě, solo dopo le dieci di
sera, e dopo aver offerto una decina di giri.
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Fidati essendo io  fra i primi 10 batteriologi  in Italia.
Oddio... c'e' poco da fidarsi visto quel che scrivi... sui batteri...
E sul resto... of course... :-)
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Si chiama adattamento non evoluzione
Toh... beccate questa... altro che!
21.01.2004 
L'evoluzione dei ragni hawaiiani
L'arcipelago della Hawaii è un laboratorio "cronologico" naturale 
 
Circa 5 milioni di anni fa, su quelle che oggi si chiamano isole
Hawaii, arrivò il primo ragno Tetragnatha con gambe spinose. Nel corso
delle generazioni successive, l'evoluzione diede origine a specie
differenti che riempirono le nicchie specifiche di diversi habitat.
Oggi questi ragni rappresentano una prova della propensione della
natura a generare la diversità in maniera sistematica.
In uno studio pubblicato sul numero del 16 gennaio della rivista
"Science", il biologo Rosemary Gillespie dell'Università della
California di Berkeley descrive come questi ragni si sono
diversificati fino a riempire l'intero spettro degli habitat presenti
sulle isole. L'articolo sfida inoltre l'assunto che la formazione
delle comunità tramite il processo evolutivo nel remoto arcipelago
hawaiiano sia differente dal modo in cui le comunità si formano per
mezzo dell'immigrazione su un continente più vasto.
"Le isole Hawaii - sostiene Gillespie - sono spesso considerate così
insolite e remote che quello che vi capita non può essere applicato ad
altri luoghi. Io intendo dimostrare che non è così. Semplicemente,
l'evoluzione svolge più di un ruolo".
Poiché le Hawaii sono una catena di isole che si sono formate in
ordine cronologico, Gillespie ha potuto studiare l'adattamento dei
ragni nel tempo in un vero e proprio 'laboratorio naturale ordinato
temporalmente". Gillespie ha trovato 16 specie di ragni Tetragnatha:
esaminando il loro DNA, ha determinato che tutte discendono da un
antenato comune vissuto sull'isola più antica, Kauai, cinque milioni
di anni fa. Studiando poi i ruoli ecologici dei diversi ragni e
osservando i loro schemi di comportamento e le loro prede, ha creato
un albero genealogico che consente di descrivere i meccanismi
evolutivi. 
© 1999 - 2003 Le Scienze S.p.A. 
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 evolutivi.
Pure fantasie buone per fare dei quadri astratti.
Forza Milan
GiaF

da: 
http://it.geocities.com/collegiodeisalii/conferenza.html
3) La creazione ex Nihilo (dal nulla) è solo una volgare truffa il cui scopo
è sottomettere gli Esseri Umani a volontà e determinazioni a loro estranee.
Sottomettere gli Esseri Umani ad una volontà esterna significa privarli
della loro volontà, fin da bambini quando non possono ricordare,
distruggendo il loro divenire nell'eternità dei mutamenti.
4) Se qualcuno dovesse chiedersi: "Chi ha creato il caos? Chi ha creato
l'uovo primordiale o il disco giallo in campo nero da cui è nato il Caos
Primordiale?" Pensi come il concetto di creazione gli è stato imposto prima
ancora che potesse parlare. Il Paganesimo Politeista afferma che tutto è
divenuto da precedenti trasformazioni.
Il Paganesimo Politeista ha una risposta logica e precisa alla domanda: "Chi
ha creato il dio dei cristiani?" Alcuni Esseri Umani il cui fine era quello
di distruggere i loro nemici. Scopersero come la sottomissione al dio
padrone fosse funzionale per sottomettere gli Esseri Umani ai loro bisogni.
Trasformarono la loro invenzione in idea trascendentale per meglio
distruggere e dominare gli Esseri Umani.
Porsi la domanda: "Chi ha creato" significa rinnovare la truffa cristiana
sulla realtà del suo dio.
Ciao da franco Santin

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Forza Milan
Seeee....... occhio che vi fate la bua... 
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VUERRE Ma perchè non te la prendi anche con il pagano?Paga no?Si? E alllora?
Milan-Ancona 5-0 e primi

se anche fosse vero quello che gianfranco ha scritto sul batterio
escherichia coli vuol dire solo che non si è estinto.
anche perchè sapendo benissimo che tipo di batterio è, come si
riproduce, quali conseguenze provoca la cosa non mi stupisce.
E' un modello che (purtoppo) si è dimostrato efficace e fino a quando
non ci saranno le condizioni che lo potranno far sparire potrà
continuare ad esistere per molto tempo.
Come gli squali che occupando un determinato posto nella nicchia
ecologica non c'è stato nessun motivo per cui per continuare ad
esistere si sarebbero dovuti evolvere.
(fin'ora)
Come si può inoltre spiegare come dal niente si è arrivati alla
complessità attuale delle forme viventi?
(senza metterci in mezzo dio)

Milan-Ancona 5-0 e primi
Ancora no... secondi... poi vedremo... 
Poi... con l'Ancona c'ha vinto anche il fatebenefratelli... :-)
Ciao bello!!!!
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