Newsgroup: it.istruzione.scuola
Titolo: Scuola in germania

in pratica hanno fatto una ricerca e risulta che la scuola tedesca non
ottiene buoni risultati....
conseguentemente si sono tutti messi a pensare come migliorarla come
spenderci di piu' come riorganizzarla
http://www.dw-world.de/english/0,1594,1432_A_1329189_1_A,00.html
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 Germans Mull Sweeping Education Reforms   
 
 
 
  Will they stay together for most of their school careers?  
 
 
 
 After getting bad grades from the OECD, German politicians are
calling for extensive reforms of the nation's schools. It's not enough
to spend more money, the education system needs to be completely
re-worked, they said.
A day after Germany brought home failing grades from the Organization
for Economic Cooperation and Development for its education system, the
nation's politicians responded like worried parents. 
It was the second time in two years that the country, which prides
itself on producing some of the world's leading philosophers and
scientists, had received negative marks for government spending,
number of hours spent in the classroom and pupil-teacher ratios.
On Wednesday, education experts in the government coalition of Social
Democrats (SPD) and Greens minced no words in calling on Germany to
prepare itself better for the future. In addition to increasing
much-needed government investment in the education system (only about
9.7 percent of total spending goes towards schools), the politicians
called for far-reaching reforms of the nation's traditional school
structure.
School for all
 
 
Krista Sager, parliamentary fraction leader for the Greens, told the
Berliner Zeitung Germany needed to move away from its three-tiered
school model and introduce "a school for all," where pupils would stay
together in one system for nine or ten years. The current division
into three different schools, each tailored to specific education
abilities and skills, is "more befitting of a medieval feudal system
than a modern society," criticized Christoph Matschie, head of the SPD
for the eastern state of Thuringia. 
A general school for all pupils is better equipped for promoting
common education standards than a system that "sorts" children at an
early age according to their abilities, explained the former state
secretary for the education ministry. Matschie told the paper that the
traditional division into college-prep highschool, secondary school
and vocational school, was partially to blame for the poor results in
the OECD study. Pupils performed better when they learned together, he
and Sager argued.
Schleswig-Holstein's State Minister for Culture and Education was also
convinced that the three-tiered education system is no longer
beneficial to the country. Ute Erdsiek-Rave said her party of Social
Democrats would campaign together with the Greens during the next
state election for a reform that supports a "school for all." However,
a complete revamping of the school system would take between 10 and 15
years, she admitted.
More financial support needed
Opposition leader Angela Merkel dismissed calls to introduce such
far-reaching reforms. The head of the conservative Christian Democrats
Union said the OECD in no way implied that Germany's traditional
three-tiered school model was to blame for failures in German
education. The international study indicated specifically that Germany
had done too little to improve standards in Kindergartens and
elementary schools, she argued. 
 
 
Germany's problems were largely the result of large classrooms and too
little instruction time, she said, both of which could be rectified
with more investment. The pupil-teacher ratio needs to be improved,
Merkel said, pointing to the statistic that Germany had 24 pupils per
teacher in elementary schools, the highest number among the 30
industrial countries surveyed. T
With a view to government plans to expand the number of all-day
schools, Merkel said Germany was on the right road to increasing the
amount of time children spend in the classroom. The OECD study showed
that German pupils aged seven and eight attend school on average for
626 hours a year, compared with 788 on average in the OECD. Germany
needs to invest more in building all-day schools, she said and called
for a speedy introduction of tax reforms that would open up more funds
for education. 
Money is not the answer
"We must once and for all start investing in the education system,"
Merkel told RBB information radio on Wednesday.
But the head of the German union for teachers and researchers,
Eva-Maria Stange, cautioned against thinking only in terms of
financial support. German politicians needed to "do their homework,"
she said. The OECD report clearly showed "German schools need not just
more money, but fundamental reforms."
DW staff (ktz)  
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ciao, fabio

 spenderci di piu' come riorganizzarla
Pensano di fare esattamente l'opposto di ciò che si è pensato di fare in
Italia...interessante.
Tabhall

Italia...interessante.
Eh gia': mentre il loro modello fallimentare della loro
formazione/istruzione professionale precoce lo vuole importare in
Italia la Moratti e compagnia cantante.
Siamo i primi in Europa...non c'e' che dire.

 formazione/istruzione professionale precoce
fallimentare il modello tedesco? sciacquiamoci le mani prima di digitare,
prego. Loro sono insoddisfatti di risultati che comunque sono anni luce
avanti a noi.

avanti a noi.
Se lo dici tu.

 Se lo dici tu.
Lo dico anch'io (che della Germania ho qualche conoscenza diretta); se tu 
invece hai elementi che dimostrano il contrario, facci sapere.
Cornelio

 se tu invece hai elementi che dimostrano il contrario, facci sapere.
Indagine OCSE PISA.
Fatti una cultura: ne hai bisogno.

 Fatti una cultura: ne hai bisogno.
Tu invece, se credi ancora alle indagini OCSE, hai bisogno di scendere 
dall'albero (o di uscire dalla caverna, non so) e di incominciare a capire 
un bel po' di cosette. Coraggio, ce la puoi ancora fare.
Cornelio