Newsgroup: it.comp.giochi.avventure.testuali
Titolo: Inform 7 : Opinioni ?

Essendo stato assente, come si sa, dalla scena IF per un annetto o più, 
mi piacerebbe sapere che opinioni si hanno attualmente, tra Italiani, su 
Inform 7; io lo sto studiando in questi giorni, e devo dire che allo 
stato attuale ne sta venendo fuori un buon linguaggio. Ma qui in Italia 
che ne si pensa ?
Saluti,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

Ciao,
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Che finche' qualcuno non si fara' un mazzo tanto per poterlo
utilizzare si resta ad Inform 6. :)
Rob

On 6 Giu, 14:42, "dott.Piergiorgio"
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Che lo stesso Nelson sostiene che in pratica non potra' mai essere
utilizzato per una lingua diversa dall'inglese...

utilizzato per una lingua diversa dall'inglese...
Beh dai, rapido e indolore. Via il dente, via il pensiero.
P

 utilizzato per una lingua diversa dall'inglese...
Riferito al NL o al prodotto finale ? se consideriamo che I7 in realta' 
si appoggia al compilatore I6 (I7 genera codice intermedio I6) questa 
affermazione, pur venendo da Nelson stesso, mi sembra un po' azzardata, 
considerando che alla fine colla lib6 si e' avuto il supporto per le 
varie lingue; e a una rapida occhiata alla libreria principale di i7 e 
al codice intermedio I6 mi sembra si' difficile, ma non impossibile, 
creare librerie per le altre lingue.
IL NL invece, per come e' strutturato, e' senza dubbio destinato a 
rimanere in inglese.
Saluti,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

 rimanere in inglese.
Si ma anche i 'nomi' nel gioco... la regola per i plurali e' cablata
nel compilatore!!!

Hi:
I'm sorry to speak here in english but I don't know a word italian :)
I mailed dott.piergiorgio about this but I didn't receive any answer,
so I thought that maybe the mail didn't reach its destination.
I just wanted to say that there's currently a spanish translation of
I7, and I'm almost sure that there's a french one too. A game ("El
museo de las consciencias") has already succesfully been released with
I7 in spanish, so it's possible to translate it into other languages.
And I'm almost sure (since spanish and italian are quite similar) that
there won't be any problem with italian too.
If anybody here is interested, I can ask Sarganar, the argentinian guy
who made the translation, to tell anyone around here how he's done it.
--Depresiv

 so I thought that maybe the mail didn't reach its destination.
Perhaps you haven't noticed the antispam ;) the two Japanese words in 
caps around the @ must be removed :)
Thanks for having posted the info about the I7 Spanish translation. I 
think that some people here Surely here will be people interested, and 
If Mr. Giovanni Riccardi is interested, surely we will have quickly an 
Italian translation of I7 ;) :)
Alas, no habla espanol :) I have seen on the Baf's guide that Spanish IF 
are well rated :) it's a pity that I can't play them.... But I have 
learned the English thru the IF when they was knoen as Text adventures, 
perhaps someday... ;)
Best regards from Italy,
Dott. Piergiorgio.

I7 in spanish, so it's possible to translate it into other languages.
There is no doubt about the fact that the underlying libraries can be
succesfully translated and ported into foreign languages. I am a little
skeptical about a I7 internationalization for the main reason that the
programming language syntax would remain in english. This would not be a problem
(C++, Java and Inform statements are english words), but the whole I7 idea of
Natural Language programming cannot be ported in another language without a
complete, non-trivial refactoring of the compiler.
In my humble opinion, the so called benefits of NL programming would be lost in
a mixture of english-italian sentences.
So, as you are stating, games can surely be written and compiled in I7, but is
this a real advantage for non-english developers?
PaoloM

 this a real advantage for non-english developers?
It is. I'm not the biggest fan of I7 myself (I still prefer I6 for my
personal projects), but still I have to admit that it's easier to use.
You have to write "less" to archieve the same thing. Let's take an
example:
Una Grotta is a room. The fungo verde and the fungo rossa are in
Grotta.
And there you are. You have programmed a cave with two mushrooms. (And
it's still much more readable for an unexperienced developer than the
same code in I6.)

 perhaps someday... ;)
I've just recently noticed this comment. Sorry! I may have looked
completely bad-mannered not answering to it :)
I do play some italian games (even with my complete lack of knowledge
of Italian!) thanks to the good old Google Translator and
WordReference :) I really enjoyed "L'Apprendista Stregone", and
"Little Falls" (although I never went too far in the second one).

 "Little Falls" (although I never went too far in the second one).
beh, I prefer the old-tech paper dictionary :) Perhaps later I'll secure 
a pocket Italian-Spanish-Italian dictionary and do a try... You can 
suggest a terse Spanish IF ?
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On 2 jul, 20:19, "dott.Piergiorgio"
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As terse spanish IF, I would suggest "Los Extraordinarios Casos del
Doctor Van Halen", a series of 5 different IF works with the same
central character:
http://www.caad.es/modulos.php?modulo=descarga&id=1299
You'll may be surprised to see that those 5 games are ... for the ZX
Spectrum! So you'll need an emulator. They are quite recent (2004 -
2005) and have quite good stories, in spite of their looks :) The last
chapter, "Dr. Van Halen: Último Acto" even won "Best Adventure", "Best
Story" and "Best Puzzles" in Premios Hispanos 2006.
If you need more suggestions, just ask :)
--Depresiv

 Spectrum! So you'll need an emulator. 
No problem. I have here the good emulator "spectemu", aside the annoying 
pre-saving work to do, is excellent :)
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