Newsgroup: it.cultura.single
Titolo: Non porta il burqa, olio bollente sulla moglie

«Figuratevi — ha confidato la donna agli inquirenti — ho persino 
dovuto nascondere a mio marito che nostra figlia non è più una 
bambina ma è diventata una ‘signorina'. Voleva saperlo per obbligarla 
a mettere il burqa... Me lo chiedeva ogni giorno, oramai, una vera 
ossessione per lui... L'avrebbe costretta a coprirsi e l'avrebbe 
ammazzata di botte se non avesse obbedito...».
E lui, il padre padrone? Nega ogni cosa. Nega di avere gettato l'olio 
bollente addosso alla moglie, nega di avere picchiato i figli e di 
essere ossessionato dal burqa. Ora vive in casa di alcuni amici, un 
po' qui e un po' là per Milano. In tasca l'ordine tassativo di non 
avvicinarsi alla sua strada.
http://www.corriere.it/Primo_Piano/Cronache/2006/10_Ottobre/25/burqa.shtml
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"Ricordi"
oh..stai fomentando??
posta un po' di quelle belle psicopatie montanare delle nostre parti..che di
cazzate di una superficialità rivoltante sul burqua in queste giorni se ne
sentono troppissime!
luce

_*luce*  scrisse domenica alle ore 10.03.25_ :
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(A parte l'atrocità del fatto)
Sono argomenti che lasciano pensare, IMO. (Le violenze tra le mura 
domestiche, non per forza si deve restringere il campo della 
discussione al burqua)
... poi è dalle nostre parti, visto che vive un po' qua e un po' per 
Milano :').
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Ricordi.
http://wiki.news.nic.it/QuotarBene

"luce" <whi...@email.itA> ha scritto nel messaggio
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Già, ormai il problema è solo il burqua e i luoghi di culto degli islamici
... ma se ci guardassimo la trave che si trova nel nostro occhio faremmo
proprio meglio!!!!

 proprio meglio!!!!
Non capisco casa hai voluto dire.
Io non mi riferivo al burqua. :/
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"Ricordi" <Ric...@fastwebnet.itA> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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A che ti riferivi?

 A che ti riferivi?
Aprendo il link, si leggono delle belle violenze commesse e sulla 
moglie che su i figli.
Storie che capitano sovente tra le mura domestiche.
Non è un'esclusiva dei musulmani.
-- 
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 Non è un'esclusiva dei musulmani.
vabbè ma il titolo nell'oggetto e l'articolo l'hai scelto e postato tu..
luce

_*luce*  scrisse domenica alle ore 20.04.08_ :
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Poteva anche essere non mi fa i pompini, olio... ;-)
E' l'azione che mi fa indignare, capisci?
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 E' l'azione che mi fa indignare, capisci?
avevo capito..ma TU hai capito che hai scelto un articolo
con un argomento che si presta..anzi si regala a tutt'altre considerazioni?
..e ho stentato a credere che non ci avesi fatto caso
luce

_*luce*  scrisse domenica alle ore 20.35.11_ :
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luce io non voglio assolutamente polemizzare, lo sanno bene quanti in 
questi giorni non hanno avuto più risposte da me.
Ma tu, devi per forza ogni volta precisare su argomenti che non 
t'interessano? Questo mi chiedo, senza offesa.
-- 
Ricordi.

 la libertà e la dignità dell'individuo e della donna.
Quello che dici non è esatto.
Siamo in Italia, c'è una legge che impone di rendersi riconoscibili.
Il velo lo metta pure.
Ma il burka, non esiste proprio.
In fondo le religioni abramitiche prevedono che in "paesi stranieri" va 
rispetttata la legge di quel paese.

 t'interessano? Questo mi chiedo, senza offesa.
perchè, contrariamente a quanto sostieni [e mi domando da che] mi
interessano molto!
luce

 rispetttata la legge di quel paese.
senza voler guardare veramente ciò che sta succedendo e in che modo ma
soprattutto da chi viene struentalizzato
luce

 soprattutto da chi viene struentalizzato
Non so a cosa alludi.

 finalmente qualcuno con un po' di carattere.
Lo dici per via del carneLaVe? 

 vivere in un paese musulmano, poi quando torni ne parliamo...
scusa..ma tu che ne sai di me?
luce

 tentennanti.
Adesso basta coi complimenti.
Con quel nik potresti farmi impazzire... 

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
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ck 

 conoscerne le leggi e rispettarle,
guarda che hanno contestato donne perchč avevano il velo non il volto celato
che legge infrangono?? ....vogliamo parlare delle suore? certo loro sono
sante donne che professano la religione 'giusta' ...
rispettare anche usi e costumi diversi dai propri senza definirli
'carnevalate' mi sembrerebbe un buon segno di coerenza ..altro che carattere
luce

"luce" <whi...@email.itA> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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No no no no no...
Non ho detto carnevalata!
Portino il velo ma non coprano il volto.

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
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Riguardo le suore....
Non ho mai sentito di suore che appoggiano il terrorismo islamico 
internazionale...

 mi riferivo al burka, per chiarezza
solo poco fa è stata fatta la specifica _volto scoperto_ tant'è che ho detto
che i più non fanno distinzione...ma quante donne in burqua si vedono da noi
in un anno?   purtroppo non farnetico: passo quattro volte la settimana
davanti al _covo dei terroristi di milano_ due delle quali c'è il mercato di
quartiere e ne sento dire talmente tante
è un fatto che la maggior parte delle persone associa _velo_ [e dico
velo..quello che copre capelli orecchie e collo ma lascia il volto libero] a
terrorista ...dicono che si sentono a disagio perchè in fondo sotto al velo
_quelle là_ possono nascondere chissà cosa...e poi vestirsi _a quel modo_
..è giù a snocciolare il rispetto per il paese che ti accoglie e ospita così
generosamente e tutto il rosario delle minchiate...
luce

 non ne conosco, non escludo che possano esserci
Non sarei così categorico nel definire ignorante chi leggittimamente (ormai) 
sospetta di una cultura che include fatwa, jaahd e via discorrendo...
Ma che allo stesso tempo ha rappresentanti che amano riempirsi di birra e 
Pastis... e che spacciano droga...
Se non fidarsi può salvare la vita, è meglio non fidarsi.
Faccio un esempio: in Sardegna, si sà, il senso dell'ospitalità è alto....
Tuttavia, l'ospite è studiato a fondo prima di essere considerato amico.
Io mi pongo allo stesso modo verso questa povera gente che viene qui per 
essere sfruttata e sottopagata..... aumentando la probabilità che anche gli 
italiani siano sfruttati e sottopagati....
E in mezzo a questa povera gente c'è gentaglia pericolosa.
Gentaglia che ha pur le sue ragioni per essere incazzata.
Ma che scegliendo il terrorismo per manifestare il dissenso, è 
inesorabilmente migrata dalla parte del torto.
Non vedo motivo per abbassare la guardia.
Non per il momento.
Anzi.
C'è più di una ragione che mi porta a fidarmi sempre meno.

 inesorabilmente migrata dalla parte del torto.
eccerto che è andata così...
luce

 sardegna famosa per la barbagia e rapimenti...
I rapimenti sardi sono "lotta di classe".
Non lo sapevi?

 Non lo sapevi?
quindi?
si parlava di immagine pubblica e come sono state percepite e usate certe
situazioni.. anche le brigate rosse si sono definite 'lotta di classe'
...altro fenomeno italiano..
luce

 lo prendesse a badilate sonore senza che la notizia finisse sui giornali.
Satira?
Quelle vignette cretine della maglietta di calderoli sono state
strumentalizzate... ed è venuto fuori un casino...
Il papa fa un discorso sulla non violenza e dei coglioni, perché c'è solo da
essere coglioni, fanno fuori un prete e una suora...
Qualche tempo fa ho visto delle vignette islamiche sul papa....
La prova che si predica bene e si pratica male....
Un po' come le femministe che vogliono quote rosa in parlamento ma rifiutano
quelle azzurre nella scuola....
E allora.....

 ...altro fenomeno italiano..
Le brigate rosse, uccidevano i proletari delle scorte e i proletari
carabinieri senza processo, processo che invece riservavano ai potenti.
Non mi sembra lotta di classe...
Ma adesso non fraintendermi.
Non sto facendo pubblicità ai sequestratori sardi....

 quartiere e ne sento dire talmente tante
io a napoli non ne ho mai vista nessuna, eppure ce ne stanno tantissime  e 
non solo nordafricane o arabe, ma anche male indonesiane e credo di sri 
lanka.
poi vorrei fare una considerazione: fino a pochi anni fa era pssbile di 
reato il fatto di andare in giro con il passamontagna sul viso. Questo č un 
fatto non una considerazione. Mi chiedo perche' pder un ospite si dovrebbe 
adottare un comportamento diverso (laddove andare in giro con un 
passamontagna fosse ancora sanzionabile),
Inoltre com'č che io sono tenuto a rispettare le usanze del paese che mi 
ospita ma non posso pretendre che un ospite rispetti quelle del mio paese?
Infine, coměč che delle eprspone cosě religiose non disdegnano di sfruttare 
la prostituzione, specie delle donne che sono state ripudiate?
Ma possibile che tanto buonismo vi faccia dimenticare decenni di lotta per 
l'emancipazione? 

 sposo.
eccallà, non esageriamo
--
N'attends pas le jour où les derniers marchands auront disparu, où
l'eau et l'air seront rendu, tu es ce que tu es et non le prix qu'on te
paie.

 mi sposo.
No io non mi (ri) sposo più.
-- 
   *eh* ?  (cit)

 scusa..ma tu che ne sai di me?
sei musulmana?
-- 
   *eh* ?  (cit)

 
Ecco, bravo.

 mah, io sono del parere che si debba provare tutto :-)
Proprio tutto in tutti i sensi Fatina? ;-)

 sono d'accordo.
Fantastico.
La donna col nick più arrapante del ng la pensa come me su qualcosa!

vnd ha scritto:
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Eh sì, c'è da esserne entusiasti!

Estasi pura.
Guefusu. Buoni.

 Estasi pura.
I Gueffus.
Ma non ci sono le noci.
Solo mandorle.
Meno zucchero c'è più sono buoni.

 o ancora: come immagini sia una Fatina? ;-)
Allora.... capelli lungi ricci e turchini.
Sotto il vestito, niente (filmaccio a parte...)
Quelli della mia generazione hanno amato segretamente la Lollo delle
avventure di Pinocchio...
Deve essere una reminescenza.
Ta ta ta ta tatata. Ta ta......

 La Lollo la vedo, a ritroso, come una specie di matrona fatale.
Adesso.....
Quando io ero piccolo era una bella gnocca!

 sei musulmana?
mi pare ci fossi anche tu quando parlavo della mia famiglia...
luce

Vedi caro Arcano, questa storia sul Burka ci ha un po' rotto i
coglioni.
Vogliamo parlare di cose serie?
Per esempio, vogliamo parlare dell'uccisione sistematica di bambini
palestinesi da parte di cecchini dell'esercito Israeliano.
Per esempio, vogliamo parlare delle bombe all'uranio "arrichito"
sparate sul libano da parte dell'esercito Israeliano.
Per esempio, vogliamo parlare del fatto che l'attentato alle torri
gemelle non sono stati i terroristi islamici ma è ormai chiaro a più
del 40% degli americani che è stato "un'affare interno" organizzato
dallo stesso governo US.
Per esempio, vogliampo parlare se l'11 settembre è stato un "affare
interno" cioè un'autoattentato, cosa ci facciamo noi in Afganistan e
in Iraq? difendiamo la democrazia? Quale democrazia? Combattiamo i
terroristi? Quali terroristi?