Newsgroup: it.hobby.enigmi
Titolo: Aiuto per gioco in legno

Ciao,
ho questo gioco di legno, ma non so
cosa si deve fare, ne se la configurazione
di partenza è corretta.
Qualcuno esperto in puzzle di legno
mi può aiutare?
Come si chiama?
Ale
http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=7yev9s4&s=1
http://i15.tinypic.com/7wkcahy.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/6wvysck.jpg
 

 mi puň aiutare?
Ciao, non ho il gioco in questione ma penso che, per risolverlo, sia molto 
utile capire come siano i collegamenti della corda *sotto* la struttura di 
legno. Inoltre non si capisce bene che configurazione abbia il pezzo piů 
lungo della corda fuori dalla struttura di legno.
Ad occhio non č difficilissimo ma servirebbe la conferma del percorso esatto 
della corda.
Ciao,
GaS 

 Come si chiama?
guarda che tanto non risponde.
Francesco

 Scavalca il nodo e ritirala fuori.
Ciao,
questa soluzione l'avevo già trovata,
(e usata per provare a risolvere il gioco "al contrario",
ossia con gli anelli già fuori)
ma non credo sia quella giusta.
1) è troppo stupida
2) i nodi sotto la base sembrano fatti
in modo da rimanere incastrati in una loro sede.
Io ne ho tirato fuori uno (nella foto) solo per far vedere le corde "in 
tensione"
e capirne la topologia.
3) sembra un trucco, poi tra l'altro non si capisce la funzione
logica della seconda torre (quella lontana dai nodi).
4) I buchi non sembrano fatti per far passare 3 corde
(1 piu un cappio) insieme. Ci passano a malapena
(in alcuni, piu stretti, quasi non ci passano).
Diverso sarebbe stato se al posto del nodo ci
fosse stata una grossa pallina, e i buchi fossero
stati più grossi. Cosi' sarebbe stata evidente
la "legalità" del passaggio dei cappi dentro i buchi
6) le corde nelle due torri si possono disporre
in configurazione "simmetrica", cosa che suggerisce una
soluzione che coinvolge entrambe le torri /anelli
simulteneamente. Altrimenti, perchè 2, e non 3 o 50 torri
una dietro l'altra  ?
D'altronde:
Se non si possono far passare i cappi dentro i buchi, le due torri e i 
rispettivi
sistemi di corde sono indipendenti (nessuno "stato topologico" può passare 
dalla parte superiore
del gioco alla parte inferiore) e perciò questo sembra contraddire i punti 
4&6...
Perciò forse hai ragione tu.
grossissima delusione....
Grazie
Ale 

 Grazie
figurati comunque ci sono dei giochi molto molto più carini in giro
www.gemanigames.co.uk/html/string_disentanglement.html
www.cubicdissection.com/html/puzcol/disent/disentindex.html
www.puzzleworld.org/PuzzleWorld/toc.asp?t=_cat/de001.htm&m=cat/de000.htm
www.puzzlesolver.com/list.php?cat=6
Purtoppo ne conoscevo uno sterminato ma non riesco più a trovarlo
In generale
http://tinyurl.com/222de2
bye
Francesco

Grazie Francesco per:
1) ora so come si chiamano in inglese
2) ora non mi farņ piu prestare giochi da quelli che
"tanto tu sei l'esperto"...
Infatti ho una collezione di questi giochi che mi
porto a casa da ogni paese che visito
(tanto sono fatti tutti in cina secondo me)
Ciao
Ale

 Grazie Francesco per:
prego figurati.
Se hai tempo e voglia ci sono molti giochi come questo
www.cubicdissection.com/html/puzcol/disent/notsoquick.html
 o questo
www.cubicdissection.com/html/puzcol/disent/doubleyoke.html
 (il secondo
molto molto carino (il primo non ho provato)) che puoi "assemblare" in
10 minuti....fondi la corda esattamente come nel disegno e poi provi a
risolverlo...
bye
Francesco

 
www.cubicdissection.com/html/puzcol/disent/doubleyoke.html
L'ho gia costruito, stava anche in M. Gardner, "Enigmi e giochi matematici".
Ciao
Ale 

 matematici".
Carramba! anche io l'ho costruito (e per adesso è anche l'unico)
ciao
Francesco

to merely paying a monthly stipend. All slavery throughout
British possessions had been prohibited only a few years before the
settlement of Hong Kong, in 1833, when 20,000,000 pounds had been
distributed by England as a boon to slave-holders.
Hong Kong's first Legislative Council was held in 1844, and its first
ordinance was an anti-slavery measure in the form of an attempt to
define the law relating to slavery. It was a long process in those
days for the Colony to get the Queen's approval of its legislative
measures, so that a year had elapsed before a dispatch was returned
from the Home Government disallowing the Ordinance as superfluous,
slavery being already forbidden, and slave-dealing indictable by law.
On the same day, January 24th, 1845, the following proclamation was
made: "Whereas, the Acts of the British Parliament for the abolition
of the slave trade, and for the abolition of slavery, extend by their
own proper force and authority to Hong Kong: This is to apprise all
persons of the same, and to give notice that these Acts will be
enforced by all Her Majesty's officers, civil and military, within
this Colony."
The "foreigners," by which name, according to a custom which prevails
to this day in the East, we shall call persons of British, European or
American birth,--called a native mistress a "protected woman," and her
"protector" set her up in an establishment by herself, apart from
his abode, and here children were born to the foreigner, 

five cases the police and their informers received
rewards. Three times their exertions were remunerated by sums of
twenty dollars, although in one of these instances the evidence was
apparently volunteered. Arch and Collins [Europeans] once got five
dollars each, and Chinese constables received similar amounts." In
many of these cases the immorality on the part of the informers who
brought the charges seems to have been unblushingly stated. "The
zeal of inspectors of brothels and informers had been stimulated by
occasional solid rewards from the Bench, and the numerous prosecutions
commenced seldom failed to end in conviction and substantial
punishment."
Ten years after the Ordinance of 1857 had been in operation, the
Registrar General, C.C. Smith, wrote:
    "There is another matter connected with the brothels, licensed
    and unlicensed, in Hong Kong, which almost daily assumes a graver
    aspect. I refer to what is no less than the trafficking in human
    flesh between the brothel-keepers and the vagabonds of the Colony.
    Women are bought and sold in nearly every brothel in the place.
    They are induced by specious pretexts to come to Hong Kong, and
    then, after they are admitted into the brothels, such a system of
    espionage is kept over them, and so frightened do they get, as to
    prevent any application to the police. They have no relatives, no
    friends to assist them, and their life is such that, unless goaded
    into unusual excitement by a long course of ill-treatment, they
    sink down under the style of life they are forced to adopt, and
    submit patiently to their masters. But cases have occurred where
    they have run away, and placed themselves in the hands of the
    police; who, however, can do nothing wh

right to create a system of
    registration applicable to domestic servants and strangers in
    family houses. It would be a good thing if Sir John Smale would
    place at the disposal of the Government (as I believe he has never
    yet done) any facts connected with the brothel system or the
    domestic servitude of which he possesses any real knowledge."
This letter gives us some conception of the almost insuperable
difficulties Sir John Smale had to encounter in his endeavor to put
down slavery, for not a case could come up in the Superior Court for
conviction on the Judge's information, of course, for that would
be assuming both prosecuting and judicial powers, and the men who
occupied in turn that office, during Sir John Smale's incumbency,
refused to act in unison with him, and this Attorney General's
language betrays hot prejudice, lack of candor as regarded the facts,
and insolence toward Sir John Smale.
The Attorney General has a fling at the Chief Justice as
"impracticable," yet the only practical suggestion that the former
makes in his letter as to how to meet the conditions he seems to have
taken from Sir John Smale's own words upon which he was asked to
express an opinion. The Chief Justice had said:
    "I think the evils complained of m

being 414 at Singapore, and 278 at Penang,
    and a further 1-3/4 per cent, or 236 at Singapore, and 55 at
    Penang, are shown under the headings "released and returned to
    China," having presumably been discovered to have been kidnaped.
    Of the total number of "unpaid passengers" arriving at Singapore
    and Penang, about 91 per cent eventually sign contracts and are
    made over to their employers or their agents, the majority of
    these being shipped off, under escort as before to the Native
    States of the Malay Peninsula or other neighboring countries, to
    labour for a fixed term of years after which the coolie is free to
    return to his native land or to seek such other employment as he
    may see fit.
    Such are the circumstances under which thousands of our fellow
    beings are annually brought to the labour market at Singapore, and
    it must be admitted that, to say the least of it, the system does
    not seem worthy of Western nineteenth century civilization. At the
    same time the extreme difficulty of controlling the 'depot and
    broker system,' or even of providing an efficient substitute for
    it, must be freely admitted. The system of Government contracts
    and inspection of immigrants has already done something toward
    ameliorating the condition of the coolie, and guarding him against
    illegal detention after his arrival at Singapore or Penang. Much

for its operation; and if she is accused, what has she to rely on,
    under God, except that of which this law deprives her, the appeal
    to be tried 'by God and my country,' by which it is understood
    that she claims the judicial means of defense to which the law of
    the land entitles her?
    "I will only add that this law has a fatally corrupting influence
    over the male youth of every country where it is in force. It
    warps the conscience, and confuses the sense of right and wrong.
    When the State raises this immoral traffic into the position of a
    lawful industry, superintended by Government officials, what are
    the young and ignorant to think? They cannot believe that that
    which the Government of the country allows, and makes rules for,
    and superintends, is really wrong."
Such measures as these have acquired a foothold in the United States
more than once, but have been driven out again. They are proposed
every year almost, at some State Legislature, and often have been
proposed at several different legislatures during a single year. They
are in operation, to some extent at least, under the United States
flag at Hawaii, in the Philippines, and at Porto Rico. The enforcement
of the Acts must depend to a large extent upon the co-operation of the
male fornicator with the police and officers of the law, and places
good women and girls terribly in the power of malicious or designing
libertines.
It appears from official records, that in Hong Kong, during six months
in 1886-