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Titolo: Milan were outsmarted (again) by Inter – and Newcastle will have noticed

L'impietosa analisi tattica del The Athletic
 
https://theathletic.com/4869430/2023/09/18/milan-inter-serie-a-tactics/
 

 
https://theathletic.com/4869430/2023/09/18/milan-inter-serie-a-tactics/
 
 
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Azz io non ce l'ho paywallato... ti copierei il testo ma ci sono 3281237 immagini.

 immagini.
 
Maledetto akker, insegnami arrubbarmi le notizie :D
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Credo sia merito dell'estensione "Bypass Paywalls Clean"

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non si vede nulla ma non ci vuole un giornale inglese per capire perchè ogni volta le prendiamo sode...
 
per vincere contro il milan ti tiri leggermente indietro, gli lasci quei 2-5-7 minuti di possesso palla giusto per dargli fiducia e far mettere due difensori lenti come la morte,  a centrocampo e poi si fa un lancio...
 
 
ripetere l'azione x^n volte e ne segni 3-4-5-6-1000

 volta le prendiamo sode...
 
copincollo ma sono per lo più commenti ad immagini.
 
Milan were outsmarted (again) by Inter
– and Newcastle will have noticed
 
 
By Liam Tharme 3h ago
 
The second-half rain at San Siro was a perfect pathetic fallacy for 
Milan
’
s
 
collapse against Inter.
 
Their head coach Stefano Pioli had vowed it would be different to 
recent
derbies. Milan had lost four in a row without scoring, games where they 
started
badly, conceded early and were tactically outmanoeuvred by Inter
’
 
s counter-
attacking 3-5-2.
 
In terms of outcome, little changed on Saturday evening.The 5-1 
scoreline gave
Inter five consecutive wins over the neighbours for the first time, and 
was the
biggest Derby della Madonnina victory by either club since 2001.
 
Milan were a goal down within five minutes, trailing early on just like 
in this
year
’
s Suppercoppa and Champions League semi-final first leg meetings with
Inter in January and May, again failing to defend left wing-back 
Federico
Dimarco.It is a 12th managerial loss for Pioli against opposite number 
Simone
Inzaghi — only against Massimiliano Allegri (14) has he lost more.
 
Former Inter centre-back Andrea Ranocchia said in 2015 that “
 
you don
’t play
 
derbies, you win them.” Pioli’
 
s persistence with a back four in the derbies last
 
season saw Milan consistently overloaded by Inter
’
s wing-backs, Dimarco and
Denzel Dumfries.This season, they are trying to evolve their style — 
Pioli
wants more
 
“balance
 
”— to rely less on Rafael Leao and counter-attacks. But
 
their attacking plan on Saturday suited Inter, the fixture
’
s home side.
 
“We want to build with Mike (Maignan, goalkeeper) plus five players,
”
said
 
Pioli after the 2-1 win away to Roma in Milan
’
s previous match, on the other
 
side of the September international break.“Then, whether it’
 
s four plus one,
three plus two or two plus three... by now the boys know how to read 
the
spaces and know how the opponents line up.We focused a little more on
(Davide) Calabria as an inverted full-back.”
 
Pioli was explaining how right-back Calabria slides infield in 
build-up, as Milan
turn their 4-3-3 into a 3-2-5. Calabria moved next to defensive 
midfielder Rade
Krunic, while No 8 Ruben Loftus-Cheek and No 10 Tijjani Reijnders 
pushed
up to support Leao (left-winger), Olivier Giroud (No 9) and Christian 
Pulisic
(right-winger).
 
Milan had plenty of practice attacking against back fives in 
preparation for the
derby, beating Torino (4-1) and then Roma, who played 3-4-3 and 3-5-2
respectively.
 
But Pioli acknowledged Inter
’
s quality pre-match.“Inter are the only team to
 
have managed to hold their own against Manchester City,
 
” he said.“They
 
haven
’t changed their style of play much in these first few matches, they
 
’ll try to
 
put us in difficult positions.”
 
GO DEEPER
Inzaghi's Inter Milan lost some stars and just got better
 
In fact, Milan put themselves in difficult positions. Simon Kjaer, a 
34-year-old
centre-back who brings experience, leadership and height (6ft 
3in/190cm), but
is lacking in athleticism and recovery speed, came in for the suspended 
Fikayo
Tomori. Kjaer and partner Malick Thiaw found themselves consistently 
left
two-v-two against Lautaro Martinez and Marcus Thuram — insufficient
considering the Inter pair
’
s pace and quality.
 
From the opening kick-off, Milan attacked with Calabria inside, 
consistent with
their other games so far this season.
 
Here, at a free kick, he moves forward to receive from left-back Theo
Hernandez:
 
In settled possession, this meant Loftus-Cheek could roam into space 
out on
the right, with Calabria pinning Inter
’
s midfield centrally. Principally, Pulisic
could attack Dimarco one-v-one. Hernandez would tuck in, making a three 
plus
two, which Inter could man-mark from their 5-3-2:
 
Hernandez is an ambitious forward passer, but a risk-taker.
 
He gives the ball away to start the build-up to Inter
’
s second goal late in the
first half, trying an eye-of-the-needle through ball to Giroud when he 
has four
other realistic, and safer, options available:
 
Inter win the ball and immediately transition. Henrikh Mkhitaryan 
passes
forward to Martinez, which engages Kjaer.The Argentina No 9 then 
releases
Dumfries on a run in behind Hernandez:
 
From here, his early cross for Thuram is overhit, but it was one of 
multiple two-
v-twos that Inter created during the match.
 
And unlike Inter, Milan simply didn
 
’t get bodies back and into shape quickly
 
enough.
 
Here,Thuram cuts inside Thiaw, and while Milan have numerical 
superiority in
the box (six players to four) their defence is not set and the France 
striker has a
clear shot at goal:
 
The finish is phenomenal, picking out the far top corner, but it is not 
the kind
of chance Inter would concede themselves.
 
A similar transition occurs early in the second half, when Hernandez is 
tackled
by Dumfries after dribbling through midfield:
 
Calabria is closest to the ball so has to press, but Inter quickly move 
it forward
to bypass him. Martinez releases Dimarco in behind Pulisic...
 
...and the cross should be better. Milan only have their two 
centre-backs in the
box, against three Inter attackers, but Dimarco underhits it and Kjaer 
heads
clear.
 
There were some strengths to Milan
’
s attacking shape — it gave Hernandez
licence to play penetrative passes and that contributed to goals at 
both ends of
the pitch.It was his midfield-splitting pass to Giroud which sparked 
the attack
for their goal just before the hour, and he probably should have 
equalised from
the below move just before Inter made it 2-0.
 
Hernandez plays a straight ball upfield to meet Giroud’
 
s lateral run, then
 
underlaps to receive a return pass from the striker:
 
He carries the ball into the box but, on the angle, pulls his shot 
wide:
 
As bad as their start was, Milan controlled the middle third of the 
match and
Inter
’
s second came against the run of play.
 
That said,Inter
’
s sit-back-and-counter plan works even better when they are 1-
 
0 up.
 
Inter clinched the win with another counter-attacking goal to make it 
3-1 with
just over 20 minutes of the 90 remaining.
 
Milan kept building up the same way, so Inter still man-marked.This 
time,
Hernandez (yellow dot) is positioned in the centre circle. Goalkeeper 
Maignan
has limited options so kicks long to Leao:
 
He wins the flick-on, but Inter are able to then pick up the second 
ball.This
time, they dissect Milan
’
s counter-press with two passes, as substitute Davide
 
Frattesi releases Hakan Calhanoglu down the right:
 
He hits a big switch to Martinez, who dribbles inside and passes to 
Mkhitaryan,
who fires in the third. Again, Milan have bodies back but without 
organisation:
 
Milan had more possession (60 per cent to 40) but fewer shots (nine to 
14; two
to seven on target), fewer big chances (two to four) and made twice as 
many
clearances (nine to 18).They had the ball but consistently lost 
control.
 
In hindsight, a back three would have been safer but admittedly more
pragmatic, at least to protect Kjaer and match Inter
’
s system. Pioli partnered
Kjaer with Thiaw and Pierre Kalulu, in a back three, at home to 
Tottenham
Hotspur — who presented similar quick transitional threats — in the 
first leg of
a Champions League round of 16 last season and got a clean sheet from 
it.
 
This season, they have been drawn in a Champions League group with 
Paris
Saint-Germain, Borussia Dortmund and Newcastle United, and host the 
latter
at San Siro tomorrow (Tuesday) in the opening round of games.
 
Milan
’
s efforts to evolve have been matched with smart recruitment, 
reinvesting
 
the money from Sandro Tonali’
 
s sale (to Newcastle, ironically): Loftus-Cheek
and Pulisic joined from Chelsea in the summer, with Reijnders arriving 
from
AZ Alkmaar. Calabria described these as players
“
who already have experience,
 
who raise the level of the team
”
, which gives Milan
“
more solutions, more
 
players suited to our game.”
 
Pulisic and Loftus-Cheek have enhanced Milan
’
 
s right side, the former a one-
on-one threat (like Leao on the opposite flank) and the latter offering 
supply
 
and support with forward passes and runs. Reijnders has slotted in at 
No 10, so
often the link between the midfield and the forwards.
 
GO DEEPER
Ten Hag making tough Utd job harder; Chelsea's booing fans; Arteta's a 
genius or a mad man
- The Briefing
 
But Milan and Pioli need to pick their moments to be expansive, be 
smarter
about when and where they lose the ball (or are prepared to), and show 
the
pragmatic side that took them to the Champions League semi-finals last
season. Playing Calabria inside against most Serie A opponents is one 
thing,
but vacating space out wide against the likes of PSG duo Kylian Mbappe 
and
Ousmane Dembele and a fast-attacking Newcastle is another entirely.
 
“Tonight, they were smarter than us,
”
said Kjaer after the loss to Inter.
 
Milan can
 
’t afford to be outsmarted in European competition, too.

 
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Sicuramente il Newcastle avrà "noticed", ma ce l'ha 3/4 giocatori in grado di saltare il pressing con passaggi e lanci di prima?
Sono allenati a farlo (l'Inter gli schemi a saltare il pressing con passaggi di prima in diagonale li utilizza da anni)?
Sanno dove mettersi in ripartenza per farlo?
 
Perché una cosa è accorgersene (e ce ne siamo accorti anche noi), altra è riproporlo efficacemente.

LTL ha usato la sua tastiera per scrivere :
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non saprei ma considerando che ci riescono spezia e sassuolo direi che 
non è richiesta chisa che qualita...
 
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Il Napoli campione d'Italia non ci è riuscito.
La Roma di Mofrigno non c'è riuscita.
La Juve di Allegri non c'è riuscita.
Addirittura l'Atalanta di Gasperini! 
Vedremo il Newcastle.

 Vedremo il Newcastle.
 
Non so, non ho idea di che tipo di allenatore abbiano ne di che squadra 
siano. Certo un'indicazione tattica dovrebbero averla ricevuta. 
Speriamo sia come dici tu e che si comportino come qualcuna delle 
squadre qui sopra^^
 
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it.sport.calcio.milan ha usato la sua tastiera per scrivere :
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no purtroppo.
 
Bello anche che nella conferenza stampa di ieri abbia tolto quel velo 
di omerta e di insinuazioni dei vari mazzara vitiello e puttanelle 
della nuova proprieta secondo i quali era lui ad aver spinto per andare 
a newcastle lol.
 
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 > ...
 
Chi cazzo è it.sport.calcio.milan?
 
Ma soprattutto..perché?

 Ma soprattutto..perché?
 
perché siamo vecchi. 
 
 
 
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R. Saclà

 proprieta secondo i quali era lui ad aver spinto per andare a newcastle lol.
 
interessante, cos'ha detto esattamente?
 
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 interessante, cos'ha detto esattamente?
 
ti copio incollo da studiosport perche non ritrovo il video:
 
"Quante emozioni, sono pure tifoso. Non ho chiesto il Newcastle"
 
Se tutto fosse dipeso da te, saresti rimasto al Milan?
"Penso sia difficile, al giorno d'oggi, che un calciatore chieda di 
andare in una squadra precisa. Ho dato tanto al Milan e l'ho fatto con 
le persone che mi hanno voluto bene ancora oggi. Ci sono 1000 motivi. 
Ho parlato tantissimo per fare questa scelta con gente che ama il 
Milan. Non mi sono svegliato la mattina e ho deciso di fare tutto 
questo all'improvviso. Certo, poi quando è arrivata l'offerta sono 
stato felice".
 
Unito alla faccia che aveva allo sbarco a nuovocastello, io leggo un 
*mi hanno venduto, non è che ci potessi fare molto*(ricordi la storia 
della telefonata sul non aumento di stipendio fino a scadenza ecc.), 
poi che la si possa leggere anche come *non vedevo l'ora di andarmene 
da quel posto di merda che è milanello, lasciando quella squadra senza 
futuro che è il milan, ma si è fatto avanti solo il newcastle con un 
pacco di soldi immenso e io sono stato incredulo e felice*, ci sta, no? 
Ce lo vedo tonali cuore rossonero che spinge e insiste per andare via, 
e al newastle.
 
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interessante, ne esce il quadro di un giocatore estremamente 
intelligente e di un vero cuore rossonero. Molto di più che se avesse 
sbandierato ai quattro venti che si sacrificava per il bene del milan.
 
Speriamo di non dovercene pentire troppo.
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Basta che giochi di merda e a gennaio ce lo ridanno in prestito. 
 
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Potrebbe cominciare oggi!
 
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R. Saclà

 siamo noi!
 
nel senso di tutti noi
 
 
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R. Saclà

> Basta che giochi di merda e a gennaio ce lo ridanno in prestito. 
 
era quello che intendeva pioli quando ha detto che contano gli 
atteggiamenti e non le parole
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Come previsto, la risposta del campo è stata "no, no e no"

LTL scriveva il 19/09/2023 :
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Boh, gli inglesi di tattica non hanno mai capito nulla, se questo è "il 
mago", forse andrebbero ridimensionate pure le qualita di de 
zerbi...nel senso, ieri imho loro eran proprio messi male e senza un 
piano tattico uno oltre al tutti dietro e spariamola via, qualcosa 
succedera. Un paio di sovrapposizioni dei terzini per il cross e poco 
altro.
 
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