Newsgroup: it.sport.arti-marziali
Titolo: Chen stile e Wing Chun (lungo ma interessante)

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Q>>>Then when Chen Master Feng, Zhi-Qiang came over to the west coast, wing
chun senior man on the west coast: Kenneth Cheung challenged Feng and was
bounced onto a hotel bed. Kenneth also challenged using cycle punches on
Chen, Xiao-Wang and got tossed up against a wall. This is impressive since
Cheung has strong arms and can kick any local wing chun seniors in the
bayarea.>>>
A>>>As far as Kenneth Chung's encounter with Feng Zhiqiang, it was a
demonstration, at Feng's invitation, not a challenge by Chung. The encounter
is described at 
www.bawcsa.org/bio/KenNFZQ.html
. Feng asked Chung to place
his hands on him. Feng had to repeatedly urge and insist that Chung use more
force or energy, since Chung had been exploring the "soft" approach with
some diligence. Feng essentially told Chung that Feng could not show him
what he wanted to unless Chung used a lot more overt force. Once Chung did,
then Feng was able to absorb that energy and turn it back to propel Chung,
with great precision, onto the bed. But again, all of this was at Feng's
invitation and urging, NOT a challenge by Chung.>>>
A>>>What you have read is a Ken Chung revision from his organization of what
actually happened. There were several local martial artists there (from YC
Wong to Quentin Fong). There was a challenge which later is described as a
demonstration to save "face" for everyone (a win-win situation for all).
Even thougn Ken Chung is "THE" elder of the wing chun clan and his skills
are devasting, he pushed for a touch/cross hands with Feng. It wasn't for
status or fame, but a chance to test out a taichi master of the level and
status of Yip Man. (IMHO, who could've resisted this temptation?)
What Ken Chung did was considered inpolite (not by American standards), but
the challenge was recognized by those who attended this private meeting and
in the martial arts world, Feng could not back down publically. He stills
gets challenged when he teaches international seminars and the news gets
back to ALL his disciples.>>>
RECONTO DAL SITO DI CHUNG
The Beijing Wu Shu group came to San Francisco in 1985 to have an
exhibition. The head coach of the group was Wu Bin, and the leader was Mr.
Chiang. Most of the 28 members of the team were in their 20's. Feng
Zhiqiang, also a member of the team, was in his late 50's.
Y. C. Wong introduced Ken to Feng Zhiqiang in his 8th floor, Grand Avenue
hotel room. Their conversation ranged from Martial Arts to Kung Fu to
sensitivity. At this point, Feng Zhiqiang invited everyone in the room to
touch his hands. Present were the following martial artists: Ben Der, Y.C.
Wong, Eddie Chong, Kenneth Chung, possibly Sidney Wong, and some other SF
martial artists.
Prior to this meeting, Ken had been diligently trying to "abandon" the power
he had developed prior to his "benching" by Leung Sheung. Ken had, to this
point, spent nine to 10 years getting "soft." When Ken's turn came, Ken
touched Feng Zhiqiang, but finding no openings in Feng Zhiqiang's area,
subsequently, would not want to go in. Feng Zhiqiang invited Ken to use more
energy. Ken politely refused. Feng Zhiqiang continued to invite Ken in, and
Ken continued to refuse. Finally, Feng Zhiqiang said that he couldn't show
Ken what he wanted to show him unless he gave Feng Zhiqiang more energy. Ken
felt at this point that he was at the limit of his "soft" energy. Feng
Zhiqiang continued to encourage him to use more power, so Ken, did as Feng
Zhiqiang requested.
Before he knew it, Ken said his hands were on the floor to his left. Feng
Zhiqiang did this move two or three times to Ken. Then Feng Zhiqiang said he
wanted to show Ken something different. Feng Zhiqiang then landed Ken on the
bed two or three times. Ken said that he wasn't "tossed" but more like
"placed." That is, he had the distinct impression that Feng Zhiqiang was
"throwing" him in such a controlled fashion that Ken would land particularly
when he landed on the bed.
One has to be at a certain proficiency level in their own style and have an
open mind to really appreciate this functional placement. Ken had met many
taiji people by this time, including Chen styles, and had yet to find
compatible hands. Feng Zhiqiang stood out without question, opening Ken's
eyes. He provided the right and perfect feeling that led Ken to experience
more of the Chen style. Ken took him as a mentor in Martial Art.
To have a chance to touch Feng Zhiqiang's hands in this manner was heaven to
Ken. After the meeting, Ken was totally enlightened and couldn't close his
eyes for the next two nights. They met again three days later. Ken found out
more about this master. However, Ken was not trying to learn Chen's Taiji.
He just wanted to be close to the master and share his experience and
insight within Martial art.
It's no surprise that some people mistook Ken to be dying for Taiji. Only
those at a higher level of Martial Art understand -- to capture the essence
of an art takes a life time search. Ken spent his time in Wing Chun and that
enhanced his ability to admire a wonderful Chen's style master like Feng
Zhiqiang.

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A quando il post su Wing Chun - TJQ Wu?
dorje

 A quando il post su Wing Chun - TJQ Wu?
Ti riferisci a qualche episodio particolare ?
'Storicamente' parlando quelli del Wu (sud) di HK hanno numerosi scontri al
loro attivo (quelli contro esponenti del WC non si contano, ma sono tutti
precedenti all'era 'internet').
Scontro famoso del Wu e' quello degli anni '50, pubblico, contro la Gru
organizzato a Macau tra Wu Jung Yee e Chan Hak Fu. La registrazione pero'
lascia a molti l'amaro in bocca.
ciao
YM

 lascia a molti l'amaro in bocca.
Perché? 
Ciao
Monica

 Perché?
Innanzitutto e' stata dichiarata draw (pari).
Quelli del Wu (TJQ) ritengono che Wu Kung Yee si sia fatto onore e che Chan
Hak Fu abbia dato mostra di 'lotta da strada'.
Quelli della Gru rispondono che Wu 'non stava facendo Taiji' ...
Sicuramente ci vogliono buoni occhi (quelli dell'esperienza) per vedere TJ e
Gru in quell'incontro, poi bisogna conoscere il background storico per
comprendere il perche' di alcuni atteggiamenti.
Certo e' che uno scontro 'vero' non e' quasi mai 'stilisticamente'
soddisfacente per i puristi
ciao
Ermanno
PS: per la cronaca, Wu rompe il setto nasale del + giovane (quasi vent'anni
di meno) Chan dopo pochi secondi, quindi l'incontro si fa' violento e gli
organizzatori - che devolvono l'incasso in beneficenza - ritengono di dare
il pareggio dopo qualche round.
Sempre per la cronaca, l'incontro era stato organizzato a Macau perche' le
Autorita' di HK non avevano dato il permesso, temendo conseguenze !

lascia a molti l'amaro in bocca.
E che successe?
dorje

 E che successe?
Vedi altro post
ciao
YM