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Titolo: Blitzdefence

Interview with the Author Keith R. Kernspecht
-Could you briefly summarise again why competitions and sparring are not
adequate pre-paration for a real-life threat on the street or in the disco?
Kernspecht: Certainly. Because ritual combat as I have described it in this
book differs from a sporting bout or the classic challenge fight in
"Easterns" in at least 5 important ways:
1. There are no rules, no fair play, others can get involved, nobody
prevents the opponent who has floored you or knocked you unconscious from
kicking or maltreating you further.
2. The aggressor talks himself into striking range and attacks at very close
quarters.
4. The attack takes place when
a) you are unprepared for it or
b) paralysed with fear.
In other words, it starts without a signal from a referee.
5. You are not faced with a good-natured training partner but with an
adrenaline monster who has worked himself up into a rage. But you have
neither learned to handle your own fears nor the naked, ferocious aggression
you might encounter out there.
-If I have understood correctly, the very first programme teaches one how to
cope with a right-handed person who is threatening violence.
That means more than 90% or even 95% of all conceivable opponents. How can
you morally justify showing such dangerous tech-niques to anybody who comes
to your school without first checking on their character?
Kernspecht: This is a serious question which I have discussed at great
length with my assistants and colleagues. In cases of doubt we do indeed
insist on Police confirmation of a clear record in countries where this is
possible.
Moreover, the psychological role-playing element in our first programme is
designed to let the experienced instructor quickly identify and exclude
people who want to learn from us so that they can become even better thugs.
Neither is it enough just to have learned the technical basics. It certainly
takes 6 months before a student develops the necessary sense of distance,
becomes familiar with the pre-fight rituals and body language and trains his
punching power. This also means learning how to handle your own feeling of
"fear" and recognise the opponent's adrenaline symptoms so as to detect his
intention to strike at the last moment.
-I am a WingTsun student and learn classical WingTsun (WT) with Man-Sao,
Wu-Sao etc. from my instructor, who was inciden-tally a student of yours.
Looking at this amateurish pre-fight position with raised shoulders and
practically helpless gestures makes me very irritated.
Kernspecht: As you have quite rightly seen this is only the PRE-fight
position. During the fight itself we use the same techniques as always,
namely effective WT solutions that have proved their worth in the most
extreme circumstances.
When things get serious it tends to be a disadvantage if the aggressor
considers you to be dangerous and capable of defending yourself. He could
call his friend(s) over to help him out, for example, or get hold of a
weapon to gain the superiority he lacks.
Deceiving the enemy about your real strength, distracting him and disguising
your own tactics are the keys to success in battle, and the threat of
violence is akin to a battle which has been imposed upon you against your
will.
You should not try to look like a proud WT-fighter beforehand. Whether you
have done your job well will be apparent afterwards: if you have
successfully managed to avoid a fight (3 points!), if you have not been
obliged to strike a blow (2 points) or if you have been able to limit the
damage with a single blow without injuring the aggressor more than necessary
(1 point). After 40 years of practical experience, vanity before a fight
appears to me foolish and naive.
-You always used to say that a WT-fighter does not retreat. Now you are
advocating cowardly and demoralising retreating steps.
Kernspecht: Well spotted. Purely technically speaking, any retreating action
constitutes a risk in WT terms unless the other man happens to be swinging a
scythe to amputate your legs. But the technical aspect is only one amongst
many. As a teacher it is also my duty to confront you with the legal
interpretation of your right to self-defence.
How you behave when the worst comes to the worst is entirely up to you, and
you can only decide this on the spot, however you may be called upon to
justify your actions in court. And if you want to win not only the first
battle (the fight itself) but also the last, which takes place in court, you
must ensure that you have acted in accordance with the law. Where there are
witnesses this means using words (which nobody can hear in a disco), body
language (empty hands = no weapons) and retreating steps to make it
abso-lutely clear that you do not want to fight. You are only entitled to
use the legal right of self-defence if you are quite clearly the one being
attacked.
But since the aim is to protect your own life in the final analysis, I can
only give you my recommendations. You can and must set your own priorities
yourself.
-Does your "defence" program-me only consist of WT tech-niques, or where do
the techniques shown in this book come from?
Kernspecht: Without exception, all the techniques are from the Leung Ting
system of WingTsun (WT). What is more, the programme combines the most
effective techniques of all.
Since we are talking about self-defence in an emergency, i.e. a
life-or-death situation, I have selected three of the most effective and
suitable movements from the legendary 116 WT wooden dummy techniques.
Naturally I have had to adapt these techniques and positions to the
capabilities and skills of beginners, however. I have therefore
inten-tionally dispensed with the "neutral" ready or pre-fight stance used
in the 1st section of the wooden dummy form.
The experience gained from 30 years of teaching has shown me that a beginner
can rarely carry out the protective forward step quickly enough.
Instead I immediately teach beginners the forward stance with the bodyweight
on the rear leg. The beginner should advance his left arm and leg against an
orthodox opponent and his right arm and leg against a southpaw opponent, so
that he only needs to take short step to control the aggressor's leg.
Like the requirement "keep the strongest hand back" and "the strongest hand
strikes first" this only applies for the first few months.
In the 1st programme, i.e. against an orthodox stance, I have chosen a
pulling movement from the 1st section combined with a low kick from the
wooden dummy form (not shown) and a punch. As I have already explained, the
knockout power of the punch comes from the falling-step movement (after the
"slant-kick") in the 2nd form of WingTsun. This is because two or three
months are not enough for the beginner to develop the necessary punching
power using the advanced whiplash technique of WT. As an alternative to the
pulling movement, particularly if the aggres-sor has his leading arm low, I
use the "Kao-Sao" from the 6th section of the dummy form.
The technique in the 2nd programme comes from the 8th section of the
wooden dummy form, "Pak-Sao with palm-strike". But instead of the
palm-strike I prefer the beginner to use the punch from the 8th section of
the wooden dummy form (not shown), as it takes many years of hard training
to achieve a corresponding effect with an open palm. And because only very
advanced WT students who have trained intensively for several years can
develop enough power without first drawing back, I teach beginners to obtain
their power by rotating the hips as e.g. for the "lifting punch" in the
"Chum-Kiu" form.
-How do these new programmes differ from the old ones?
Kernspecht: We have adapted our training to the changed requirements of the
present day. Previously we prepared the beginner for the entire spectrum of
"combat" in its widest sense, with a particular emphasis on the challenge
fight or duel which was once popular in Asia and begins with equal chances
for both combatants.
However, more than 90% of all physical confrontations are now macholike,
territorial ritual fights, and once again we are among the first to prepare
our students for this phenomenon in technical, psychological and legal
terms.
This includes an emphasis on the guiding principle of WingTsun, namely that
attack is the best form of defence. A fact that defence and sparring-minded
WT students all too often forget.
I can also hear the philosophers among us quietly muttering that in apparent
contrast to my remarks in "On Single Combat" I do not start beginners off
with the four fighting priciples, but clearly tell the beginner which hand
he should use to strike first and which leg he should advance during the
first few months. Of course I am pleased to have students who have read my
book so thoroughly that they now confront me with my own pronouncements. But
"On Single Combat" describes the whole system, which is actually based on an
ingenious concept consisting of incontrovertible prin-ciples. My experience
and that of most instructors has shown that while the beginner is soon
fascinated by the logical principles, he needs clear instructions concerning
stances and techniques at first. It is only when Chi-Sao training has
enabled him to let his arm be deformed when it advances as a wedge, to stick
to the opponent, give way and borrow the opponent's strength that he can
turn the principles to practical use in an emergency! In the first (forward
defence) programmes I therefore base my teaching on the 1st fighting
principle, on the wedge and the outside position, which gives the beginner
more security than he would have between the opponent's arms.
-In "On Single Combat" you describe very comprehensibly in my view (I belong
to a special Police unit and have been learning WT for four years) that one
should confront a thug very aggressively right from the start, so that he
has no chance to inflate himself into an adrenaline monster. In this book
you seem to depart from this approach.
Kernspecht: This book is intended for beginners who have trained for 6
months at the most and who should preferably remain conciliatory, disguise
their intentions and use the element of surprise. For if you issue threats
you must be able to back them up if necessary. Those who are advanced and in
control can usually stop any escalation by sheer intimidation.

 adequate pre-paration for a real-life threat on the street or in the
disco?
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
qualcosa in italiano no eh?
Giorgio (Hung Gar)
"Sei troppo vecchio per smettere di allenarti!" (un amico)


Cazzo è tutta sta roba in inglese?!? Col cavolo ke la leggo, cmq la
Blitzdefence a me nn piace x niente...Kernspecht poteva anke fare a meno di
questa trovata...
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 qualcosa in italiano no eh?
Questo passa il convento ;-)
RoBiN

Kernspecht poteva anke fare a meno >di questa trovata...
Solo perchè non è di tuo gusto?
RoBiN


Beh,certo! Avrebbe dovuto kiedere almeno il mio parere prima di
divulgarla...
PS:skerzo, č ke sono andato a qlke lezione di WT e proprio la parte di BD nn
la potevo soffrire...nn dico ke siano stronzate, ma semplicemente mi
sembravano cose 1 pņ fuori luogo, cmq ovvio ke č solo la mia umile
opinione...
YJMB
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Io non conosco la blitzdefence, però ho visto i video di Brighi in cui
prendeva a pugni e gomitate il sacco. Devo dire che sono rimasto un po'
perplesso. Insegnare questo approccio al combattimento ad un principiante
appena iscritto in palestra potrebbe IMHO essere pericoloso.
Ma, come ho detto prima, non conosco i vostri programmi tecnici ed il metodo
di insegnamento. Quindi mi limito alle considerazioni sui video che ho
visto.
Vorrei conoscere la tua opinione sulla questione, dato che ogni volta che
abbiamo discusso enfatizzavi il lato "morbido" dello stile.
Myoho (CRCA Italia)
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 opinione...
Ovviamente..
RoBiN

 Interview with the Author Keith R. Kernspecht
Questa stessa intervista č presente (tradotta in italiano) alla fine del 
libro "Blitzdefence". ;-)
ciao,
Jashugan
(WingTsun)
-- 
«Ha tinto le mie vesti d'un rosso a tutti sconosciuto. Ora non vi č
piů nessuno che le sfiori. Uccide gli uomini in viaggio e, guardando
il cielo, una donna piange».
(Hiroaki Samura)

 territorial ritual fights
quindi IMHO quasi sempre evitabili senza entrare in combattimento.
IMHO le aggressioni di cui preoccuparsi in DP sono (e forse ancora di più)
quelle "cattive" rientranti nel penale con maggiore "peso"
cmq interessante intervista, grazie!
bye
MX
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"Easterns" in at least 5 important ways:
[snip]
Certo, ma questo e' vero per ogni preparazione marziale. Con lo stesso
principio si potrebbe dire che l'innominabile ch**ao e' inadeguato a
preparare ad una pericolo reale, visto che una aggressione non parte
con le mani "incrociate".
Tutti gli allenamenti, sparring incluso, servono anzitutto a
sviluppare doti che saranno utili nel combattimento reale. In
particolare sul ring si imparara ad incassare, a reagire allo shock da
colpo, a reagire istintivamente prima ancora di rendersi conto d'esser
stati colpti: sotto tutti questi aspetti, farsi un po' le ossa e' piu'
che valido.
Ovviamente cio' non toglie che per affrontare bene una situazione
reale' resta importante curare una serie di fattori - piu' che altro
logistici e psicologici - che la pratica normale non indirizzata
strettamente alla DP non considera piu' di tanto. Ma questo e' un
elemento sviluppabile parallelamente a quasi tutte le AM, proprio
perche' principalmente psicologico e logistico.
Detto cio', giusto una piccola provocazione... :p
Proprio perche' come dice non ci sono regole e l'aggressione puo'
giungere totalmente inaspettata, non credo un sistema di DP completo
possa prescindere dal saper gestire situazioni frequenti come la lotta
corpo-a-corpo sia in piedi che a terra.
Per finire, va detto che tutto sommato le aggressioni totalmente
inaspettate ma disarmate sono relativamente rare: piu' spesso (vedi il
tipico caso fuori dalla disco) c'e' prima una forma di rituale di
mostra della propria pericolosita' come spesso si vede in natura -
come i gatti che si gonfiano e sbuffano.
saluti,
   debrando [Kali]
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> Questo passa il convento ;-)
ora pro nobis
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 come i gatti che si gonfiano e sbuffano.
Evitare, 3 punti ;-ppp
RoBiN

 Forse..
fammi un esempio...temo di njon capire di cosa parli...
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 fammi un esempio...temo di njon capire >di cosa parli...
Fase pre-lotta, cmq ne discuteremo meglio a 'casa tua'..
A presto
RoBiN

basso...
Certo, ma intendevo piuttosto che le aggressioni disarmate
_inaspettate_ sono molto meno frequenti di quelle in qualche modo
_aspettate_, e che puntare il sistema sulle prime possa renderlo meno
efficiente sulle seconde nonostante siano piu' frequenti.
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Davvero? Bene, allora ci farai vedere... su Guaiamum, così impara a fare JJ! :-p
Dai pur... direbbe MaxKK.
Per me va bene :)
Ciao,
Guaiamum
[JJ, JKD, ex Capoeira :°-(°°°]
"E' solo dopo aver perso tutto che siamo liberi 
 di fare qualsiasi cosa" [Fight Club]
"Siamo i figli di mezzo della storia, senza scopo ne' posto. 
 Non abbiamo la grande guerra ne' la grande depressione. 
 La nostra grande guerra è spirituale, la nostra grande 
 depressione è la nostra vita. " [Fight Club]

 efficiente sulle seconde nonostante >siano piu' frequenti.
Il sistema non è studiato per le "sfide" ma per un genere in cui la distanza
è molto più ridotta e non c'è la certezza matematica che l'altro vuole
attaccare, almeno all'inizio...
Si prende in considerazione tutta la fase prelotta:
Fase visuale (gioco preliminare 1)
Fase verbale (gioco preliminare 2)
Passando anche attraverso la fase delle 'spinte' e delle 'prese' fino ad
arrivare alla fase "finale"..
RoBiN

arrivare alla fase "finale"..
Sì, questo l'avevo capito e non ho nulla da ridire che ci si
specializzi in quel settore della DP - fermo restante che non è
l'unico.
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 l'unico.
Per favore non parliamo di unicità, nessuno a detto niente del genere..
RoBiN

 Fase pre-lotta, cmq ne discuteremo meglio a 'casa tua'..
eccolo li lo scroccone.....gia' che si autoinvita a casa mia...... :-))))))
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 Per me va bene :)
Bravo Guà!!! ^__^
Ciao
Max
Kenpo Karate