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Titolo: Kashima Ryu

(non uccidetemi perchè posto link in inglese: chiunque voglia una 
traduzione può noleggiare una filippina)
http://ksr.facade.com/
Molto interessante. (c'è anche uan pagina con le relazioni fra kashima e 
aikido....... non vi voglio levare la suspance)
Ciao
Tac
(ah... chiaramente una filippina che sappia l'inglese)

 traduzione può noleggiare una filippina)
Lo so che e' una battuta....ma e' un po' razzista....
Non trovi anche tu ?
Ciao.
---> 3men_do <---

 Non trovi anche tu ?
Non ci avevo pensato..
Tac
(come razzista faccio pena :-D)

 (come razzista faccio pena :-D)
Ok...Ok...
Niente croce infuocata per te !!!
:)
Il Kashima Ryu, di cui il Maestro Hanto (spero sia giusto come l'ho
riportato) e' stato esponente di rilievo, ha come pertinenza principe lo
studio e l'uso delle armi.
Le tecniche difensive a mani nude si riferiscono alle seguenze in cui il
guerriero veniva disarmato.
---> 3men_do <---

 guerriero veniva disarmato.
Mi interessa, mi interessa! Sei allievo o in qualche modo legato a 
Hanto? Che Kashima Ryu? Kashima Shinto-ryu o Kashima Shin-Ryu?
Tu che studi?
Tac
(aikido)

 Tu che studi?
Ju-Jitsu tradizionale.
La specializzazione della nostra Scuola si chiama Kumi-Tachi.
---> 3men_do <---

 La specializzazione della nostra Scuola si chiama Kumi-Tachi.
Mmh? Quindi sempre spada?
Tac
(aikido)

 Mmh? Quindi sempre spada?
Spada in acciaio (Katana con lama da 55 cm ma mai superiore ai 71 cm) per le
forme tra allievi avanzati e in legno per la pratica di studio.
Gli infortuni sono abbastanza frequenti in questa pratica infatti non e' uno
stile molto praticato.
Inoltre in questi tempi si tende a utilizzare sempre piů il bokken con molte
limitazioni stilistiche.
Nello studio del Kumi-Tachi tradizionale non si utilizza solo e sempre la
spada: vengono effettuate anche tecniche di difesa corpo-a-corpo.
---> 3men_do <---

 spada: vengono effettuate anche tecniche di difesa corpo-a-corpo.
Come si chiama la scuola? (sempre che abbia un nome)
Tac
(aikido)

 Come si chiama la scuola? (sempre che abbia un nome)
Vuoi sapere dove studio e come si chiama il mio Maestro ?
Forse, non sono sicuro di fare una cosa giusta o sbagliata, deve chiedere il
permesso.
Cosa mi consigli ?
---> 3men_do <---


Scusate se mi inserisco.... che scuola di jujitsu pratichi? Di dove sei?
Se non sbaglio il kumitachi è una specie di combattimento (predeterminato?)
con le armi. O sto dicendo una ca**ata?
Ciao
M.

 trasferito.
Conosci quindi le cinque serie kenjutsu? io le ho apprese con il M° Tissier
che a sua volta le ha studiate in giappone con Minoru Inaba.
 
Sono di Torino se tu non fossi lontano forse si potrebbe....
Ciao Nino

 Sono di Torino se tu non fossi lontano forse si potrebbe....
Ma pensi solo a giocare!..
Ho trovato un paio di figurine, scambiamo? ;-)))
http://www.movingeast.co.uk/tetsushinkan/ksr_pictures.html
(articolo generale)
http://www.movingeast.co.uk/tetsushinkan/ksr.html
..e quindi questo (link presente nell'articolo)
http://www.movingeast.co.uk/tetsushinkan/ksr_techniques.html
Purtroppo sul net non c'è molto.
Ciao
Tac

 Purtroppo sul net non c'è molto.
Ma questo si:
http://www.uoguelph.ca/~iaido/bookreviews.koryuken.htm
Pagina lunga: cercate la parte 'Legacies of Sword'.
Un bell'articolo... anzi due.... anzi, che mi frega: copioincollo.
Spero che sia gradito.
Tac
(aikido)
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(1997) Karl Friday with Seki Humitake. U. Hawaii press. ISBN 0-8248-
1879-2. Paperback, 227pgs. 
Review by Kim Taylor 
This is an important book for scholars of the Japanese martial arts, and 
it is from a true "voice of authority". Dr. Karl Friday holds a PhD in 
Japanese History and teaches at the University of Georgia. He is also a 
menkyo kaiden in the Kashima Shinryu, the immediate subject of this 
book. In his own words, the menkyo kaiden can be considered a PhD degree 
in this particular school. Friday's collaborator/co-author is Dr. Seki 
Humitake, a Professor of Microbiology at the University of Tsukuba, and 
the current shihan-ke (the 19th generation headmaster) of the Kashima 
Shinryu. 
The book was written to fill a critical gap in academic study of the 
Japanese Samurai class. According to Friday, most scholars have 
neglected the martial training of the samurai, yet this was a major part 
of their class mandate throughout much of Japanese history. By using the 
specific example of the Kashima Shinryu, Friday attempts to show the 
importance of this martial training to the spiritual, physical and moral 
education of the samurai. Although the examples are specific to the 
Kashima Shinryu, of which I have very limited experience, I had no 
trouble understanding them. The Kashima Shinryu is, after all, a 
Japanese martial art and many, if not most, of the concepts are common 
to all those arts. 
Dr. Friday has attempted to format the book so that we examine first the 
general philosophy and purpose of the Kashima Shinryu (and by extension, 
other schools of martial training), and then work down to the specific 
methods of training used in this school. This is the reverse of the way 
the student would have been, and currently is, taught. The student 
begins with the particular techniques and then slowly absorbs the more 
general principles underlying the techniques themselves. This literary 
reversal of process gives a new perspective which is quite useful in the 
consideration of what constituted a ryuha, the martial school. 
Just what is a ryuha or a koryu bujutsu? This has been debated in the 
press, by letter and over the internet quite a bit in the last few 
years. This book goes a long way toward answering that question. I 
believe I could even say it's the best treatment of that subject in 
English at this moment. Right from the first chapter Dr. Friday offers a 
historical analysis for definitions which seem eternally contentious. He 
argues from historical sources and a broad experience with modern usage 
to provide a clear understanding of such terms as "budo and bujutsu" 
"bushido", "bugei and hyoho or heiho". In the epilog he sums up the 
arguments on "jutsu and do" once more and explains how training in a 
martial art could possibly be a spiritual pursuit. 
The book is written in three sections, the history of the samurai and 
their schools, Kashima Shinryu in particular; the philosophy and science 
of combat, specifically the conceptual framework of Kashima Shinryu; and 
finally the methods of teaching used in the ryu. At each stage Friday 
tries to show the omote (public face) and the ura (hidden side) of the 
subject. On page 104 Friday breaks the essential knowledge of any ryuha 
(school) into three components he calls hyoho (strategy), te-no-uchi 
(skill or application of skill) and waza (techniques or tactics). He 
goes on to explain how these three levels are functionally inseparable, 
with hyoho being manifest in and by waza through te- no-uchi. This 
suddenly confirmed something I had suspected since my third year in 
Aikido, that the philosophy is contained within the practice of the 
techniques and this is how the student must learn them. The great secret 
then? Keiko, practice, practice and more practice. 
I was going to use some other specific examples from the book and 
discuss their applicability to other arts but I really don't think that 
would be useful here, suffice it to say that just about anyone studying 
the Japanese martial arts will find much of use in this book. The 
ethicist will delight in the discussion of detachment and responsibility 
for violent actions on page 67. Aikido students should appreciate the 
discussions of spiral vs linear vs circular motion beginning on page 72. 
Those in the Japanese sword arts can flip the book open at just about 
any page and find something to think about. 
I am impressed by this book. Dr Friday has attained his stated goals and 
has tied the martial training of the samurai firmly to their general 
education. I don't believe western scholars will be able to ignore this 
aspect of samurai life any longer. I am further impressed that such a 
scholarly work is such an easy read. Rather than fighting my way through 
the often intimidating jargon of academia, I found myself carried along 
by a natural and easy style of writing which provided the information 
clearly and concisely. That said, I think I'll be reading it more than 
once in order to extract all the juice that is there. 
Legacies of the Sword would be on our "most highly recommended list", if 
we had such a thing. 
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Legacies of the Sword (JJSA #85 9/10, Oct 1997)
reviewed by Mark Raugas, New York 
I finished Karl Friday's book a while back, but leant it to a friend, so 
never wrote anything on it, not wanting to say anything without it in 
front of me. I still haven't gotten it back, but here goes. 
First, everyone go out and buy this book. It is in my opinion the best 
English language text about a specific ryuha. Period. The historical 
sections are a little dry for non professionals like myself, but had 
enough interesting tidbits to let me get through the whole thing. What I 
liked about the book was that it explained Kashima Shinryu in terms of 
its principles, allowing me to get a good "sense" of what it was about, 
how they think about fighting, etc, as opposed to other styles. (for 
example, there is no 'go no sen' in Kashima Shinryu). Most books I've 
seen about martial arts tell you about the history of a style and some 
of its salient features, but nothing much that will distinguish it from 
other styles. Karl's book is welcomely different in that regard. He also 
talks about some advanced topics you don't find often mentioned, which 
was pleasantly surprising. 
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Legacies of the Sword: (JJSA #86 9/11, Nov 1997)
The Kashima-Shinryu and Samurai Martial Culture by Karl F. Friday with 
Seki, Humitake. Honolulu, University of Hawai'i Press, 1997. ISBN 0-
8248-1879-2, paperback. $14.95 US. ISBN 0-8248-1847-4, hardcover, $34.00 
US. 227 pp. 
Reviewed by Raymond Sosnowski, NH. 
Anyone engaged in the pursuit of a Koryu, Bujutsu or (Japanese) Kobudo, 
is acutely aware of the general lack of any sort of written 
documentation, be it historical, descriptive or instructional texts. 
Japanese texts, if they do exist, are generally hard to come by (and 
then *you* have to do the translation), and English texts, if they do 
exist, can come in a wide range of quality; and even some modern Budo 
are not immune -- consider the dearth of English-language Kendo or 
Atarashii Naginata texts compared to the number of Aikido and Katate-do 
texts. This situation has been made a little less bleak with the 
publication of "Legacies of the Sword" by Prof. Karl Friday of the 
History Department of the University of Georgia (Athens) with Prof. 
Humitake Seki of the Microbiology Department of the University of 
Tsukuba (Japan) and the 19th generation Shihanke (head-instructor) of 
Kashima- Shinryu (KSR). 
In addition to the Aiki-ken (and Aiki-jo) as transmitted by Mr. Morihiro 
Saito, since 1993 I have trained in an unusual style of Aiki-ken, which 
is taught by Mr. Minoru Inaba, the chief Aikido instructor of Shiseikan 
Dojo at Meiji Jingu (Shrine), Tokyo, and which is derived from KSR 
Kenjutsu [transmission is through the late Mr. Masatake Sekiya of Tokyo, 
and, more recently, Mr. Paul Smith of London, both Deshi of Inaba-
sensei], which is how I heard about KSR in the first place. [FYI: Mr. 
Inaba studied with Mr. Zen'ya Kunii, the previous (18th) Soke and 
Shihanke of KSR, for a period of less than one year prior to the 
latter's death on 17 August 1966 at age 72.] I have also trained briefly 
but intensely with Prof. Friday at the Guelph School of Japanese Sword 
Arts in July, 1996, where he presented an introduction to Kashima-
Shinryu, and we have kept in touch since May, 1996, via mail, e-mail and 
phone. I am familiar with his writings in both the "Journal of Asian 
Martial Arts" and "Ryubi: The Dragon's Tail" [the Magazine of Kashima-
Shinryu/North America (KSR/NA)], and I have also read his first book 
"Hired Swords: the Rise of Private Warrior Power in Early Japan" (1992, 
Stanford University Press), which is derived from his doctoral 
dissertation. In addition, he is also a frequent contributor to IAIDO-L. 
I along with a number of other people have eagerly awaited the 
publication of this text since it was announced last December with an 
expected availability in March; my personal copy, ordered in early 
March, arrived in early August [the release date slipped twice due to 
publisher's problems]. Needless to say, expectations were running high 
on this one, and, I am happy to say, they were met (and if they weren't, 
I certainly would have said so and why). 
The genesis of this book is Prof. Friday's initial efforts in 1979 to 
translate "Nihon Budo no Engen: Kashima-Shinryu" (literally, Japanese 
Budo's origin/source/inception/beginning: KSR) written by Seki-sensei 
and published in Japan in 1976; however, to make it accessible to and 
understandable by Occidentals in English would required a large amount 
of supplementary material. Over the intervening years, his overall 
perspective and efforts evolved to the point where "Legacies of the 
Sword" is a cultural case study of the Samurai, that is, how one Ryuha 
has been shaped in the course of Japanese history. One unique aspect of 
Prof. Friday's work is that he had access to the original documents (or 
exact copies) while he progressed in his personal study of KSR -- he has 
obtained the highest rank conferred in KSR, Menkyo Kaiden, and the 
highest title (excluding direct succession), Shihan. 
The contents of the book consist of: 
1. Introduction. 
2. Heritage and Tradition. 
3. The Philosophy and Science of Combat. 
4. The Martial Path. 
Epilogue. 
[Five] Appendices. 
[End] Notes. 
Bibliography. 
In the Introduction, the shortest of the chapters, the author lays out 
where he is coming from and where he's going to in the succeeding 
chapters. A minor quibble at this point -- I found the use of *both* 
footnotes and endnotes to be distracting [one normally uses one or the 
other exclusively, but, given the types of supplementary material 
necessary to help the reader along, I can see why both footnotes and 
endnotes were used]. 
The bulk of the book, almost two-thirds, is contained in Chapters 2 
through 4. It is fairly evident in Chapter 2, Heritage and Tradition, 
that Japanese history is Prof. Friday's profession -- I found it to be 
academically rigorous enough without being dry or boring. Chapter 2 
begins in a general sense with a discussion of Ryuha and the origins of 
the Bugei including the concept of Michi ("way," synonymous with the 
Japanese "suffix" -do, as in Budo). He then introduces us to the origin 
and namesake of KSR, the Kashima Grand Shrine and its martial deity, 
Takemikazuchi-no-Mikoto, followed by the three founders, Matsumoto 
Bizen-no-kami Ki no Masamoto, Kunii Genpachiro Kagetsugu, and Kamiizumi 
Ise-no-kami Fujiwara no Hidetsuna. 
At this point, we learn that KSR is a member of the Shinkage Ryu group 
of Ryuha, rather than the Shinto Ryu group (which is a source of 
confusion, since there is also a Kashima Shinto Ryu, which is considered 
to be the source of Mr. Morihei Ueshiba's Aiki-ken as passed down by Mr. 
Morihiro Saito). Another minor quibble at this point -- Figure 1, 
principal teacher- student relationships of KSR, has been compressed 
down so small to fit on two adjacent pages that it is bearly legible. 
Finally, we learn of the Shihanke ("instructor's house") and Soke 
("founder's house") lines, how they have separated, joined and separated 
over the lifetime of KSR, and the implications for KSR as an 
organization. 
Chapter 3, The Philosophy and Science of Combat, is the heart of this 
book in my opinion. Also being a practitioner of T'ai Chi Ch'uan, and 
having read many of the English translations of the "T'ai Chi Classics" 
which highlight the principles of TCC [every translator also includes 
his own set of commentaries], I found many similarities between the TCC 
principles and KSR principles [in fact, the leadership of KSR/NA 
encourages its students to study the "T'ai Chi Classics"]. The chapter 
begins with explorations into the terminology: Ryugi (the kabala or 
"secret" doctrine), Shinbu ("divine valor," "true martial art," 
"spiritual martial power," "sacred martialism" -- these translations 
come from the text) and its relationship to Budo and Michi (the way), 
and Hoyo-doka ("acceptance and absorption," the essence of Shinbu) which 
has several levels of Omote and Ura. The chapter then delves into the 
framework of the art, that is, the Fivefold Laws and the Eight Divine 
Coordinations. 
The Goko-no-Hojo (Fivefold Laws) read like Koans (Zen's illogical brain- 
teasers) as in "Offense and Defense as One;" for anyone who has truly 
studied T'ai Chi Ch'uan, this principle is a given, but to understand it 
to the point where it is executed without any conscious effort takes 
years of training (compare this to the block-punch and block-kick 
training in Karate which can be learned in just a few weeks or months). 
"Yin and Yang as One" simply describes the T'ai Chi. In "Origination and 
Manifestation as One," we learn the importance of proper timing and the 
application of techniques in time. We are introduced to the Kamae 
(postures) in "Stillness and Motion as One." In "Emptiness and Reality 
as One", we are introduced to Sen-no-sen (an un-countered attack) and 
Sen-sen-no-sen (a countered attack which becomes a counterattack). [FYI: 
this usage is *different* than that of Kendo. In Kendo, Sen-no-sen is an 
attack initiated at the same time as an opponent's attack, and Sen-sen-
no-sen is an attack initiated prior to an opponent's attack. In Kendo, 
there is also Go-no-sen, a counterattack, that is, a (successful) attack 
launched *after* an opponent's attack -- there is no concept of Go-no-
sen in KSR.] 
Hasshinden (Eight Divine Coordinations) indicate the positions of the 
eight guardian dieties, and determine the five basic vectors of spatial 
motion: Ho (perpendicular), Choku (direct), Kyoku (diagonal), En 
(spiraling), and Ei (wedge or acute angle) -- En (spiraling) is 
ubiquitous in KSR. The Ryugi also enumerates five fundamental 
combinations of these vectors that define the Waza: 
1. Kyoku henjite ho to naru ("A diagonal becomes perpendicular"). 
2. Ei henjite en to naru ("A wedge becomes a spiral"). 
3. Ei henjite kyoku to naru ("A wedge becomes a diagonal"). 
4. Ei henjite choku to naru ("A wedge becomes direct"). 
5. Ei choku kyoku choku ("A wedge is direct; a diagonal is direct)". 
There are pictoral representations of each pattern taken from the 
Jujutsu curriculum of this Ryuha. All tactics are derived from these 
five patterns. 
Additional concepts covered include Mittsu-no-Kirai (three aversions, 
that is, three conditions of weight distribution to be avoided in 
stances), Te-no-Uchi (literally "palm of the hand") and Kiri-otoshi 
("cutting down"), Sotai-no-Shime ("concentering the body"), Kiate 
("striking with the ki" using Kiai), and Shikake (initiating 
techniques). Near the end of the chapter, we are presented with a very 
interesting juxtaposition of martial concepts: the maxim of Mr. Gichin 
Funakoshi (the father of Japanese Karate-do), "Karate ni sente nashi" 
("There is *no* first strike in Karate") with the essence of KSR with 
respect to combat, "Shinbu ni sente nomi" ("There is *only* the first 
strike in Shinbu"). 
The final chapter, The Martial Path, is the longest in the book; here we 
are introduced to the weapons of the Ryuha and the introductory set of 
Kenjutsu Kata. The chapter begins with a general discussion of Kata 
[Kata in Japanese Bugei or Koryu and their modern derivatives almost 
always implies pattern practice with at least *two* people] and its 
liabilities. The main part of the KSR curriculum consists of Kenjutsu 
(including Batto-jutsu) and Jujutsu Kata. Additional weapons include the 
Naginata, Yari (spear), Bo (6-foot staff), Jo (4-foot staff), Shuriken 
(throwing darts) and Kusari-gama (sickle with weighted chain) [in 
training in recent years, these last two weapons have been de-
emphasized]. 
There are detailed descriptions of Kenjutsu training weapons, the Bokuto 
(aka Bokken or wooden sword, which is straight, not curved, with a big 
wooden Tsuba or hand guard), and the Fukuro-Shinai (leather-covered, 
bamboo mock-sword, which has the same shape and dimensions as the KSR 
Bokuto). These descriptions are preceded by detailed descriptions and 
accompanying figures of the principal Kenjutsu training, the five Kata 
of the Kihon-tachi (sword basics) using the KSR Bokuto, 
1. Kesagiri (cut along the line of the Kesa, that is, the line of the 
lapel of a Buddhist monk's robe), *the* basic cut, 
2. Ashibarai-ukebune (literally "leg-sweep," which is the attack by 
Uchitachi and "floating boat," which is a rather poetic way of 
describing the defense by Shitachi), 
3. Kiriwari ("cut divider"), 
4. Warizuki ("dividing thrust"), and 
5. Kurai-tachi ("occupying sword"), 
and the principal Jujutsu training, Reiki-no-Ho, which resembles Kokyu-
dosa (Kokyo-ho in Seiza) in Aikido, but does not include the throw and 
pin. 
The essence of the KSR Waza are contained in these basic, introductory 
practices; this is *highly* unusual -- generally, the essence of a 
Ryuha's Waza is introduced bit by bit until one achieves the full 
essence of the art when one masters the art after many years of diligent 
study; in KSR, one is introduced *immediately* to the essence of the 
art, and further training simply expands on those themes into a myriad 
of variations. The chapter continues with an elaboration on texts and 
written transmission (including 18 instructional verses by Mr. Zen'ya 
Kunii, the previous Soke and Shihanke of KSR, with translations by the 
author), and ends with a discussion of meditation and the integration of 
body, mind and spirit [these last sections bear occasional rereading]. 
The Epilogue recaps the use of KSR as an example of martial culture. We 
can tease some facts from myth and legend, but, in the end, we are left 
with the paradox (or, in this case, the martial Koan) that the ways of 
peace and personal development can be achieved by studying and 
practicing the ancient arts of war. 
The first three appendices are devoted to translations of historical 
texts. Appendix 1 is a complete translation of the KSR Hyoho-denki, the 
oldest extant history of the KSR Shihanke lineage (the Jiki Shinkage-Ryu 
maintains an almost identical document). Appendix 2 is the Kunii-ke 
Keizu ("the geneology of the Kunii House"), complied by Mr. Zen'ya 
Kunii, the 18th Soke and Shihanke, which covers the KSR Soke lineage 
along with the 12th through the 18th generations of Shihanke [in the 
12th through the 18th generations within KSR, the responsibilities of 
both Soke and Shihanke have been performed by a single Kunii family 
member per generation; it was Mr. Zen'ya Kunii who broke with tradition 
by splitting these responsibilities in modern times -- the 19th Soke was 
his wife, Shizu, who was succeeded by their son, Michiyuki, upon her 
death in December 1992; the 19th Shihanke is Prof. Humitake Seki]. 
Appendix 3 is KSR and the Origin of Shinbu, which is the final section 
of the KSR Menkyo Kaiden Mokuroku (certificate of mastery of KSR) and is 
a abbreviated history of the Shihanke lineage that complements Appendix 
1. 
The last two appendices are devoted to the KSR Organization. Appendix 4 
is the Constitution of the KSR Federation of Martial Sciences (Japan), 
and Appendix 5 is the Constitution of the KSR Federation of North 
America. Appendix 4 contains a list of the ranks and the associated 
requirements for those ranks. These, however, are living documents, 
subject to amendments; obviously, they are missing the associated 
revision numbers and dates (it's a minor quibble, but one that should be 
noted in this litigious world of ours). 
The [End]Notes, and the Bibliography of primary and secondary sources 
are extensive. Photographs are confined to a short section with 15 
plates; several old photographs as well as parts of important scrolls 
are included (alas, none are in color). 
One element that I found missing in this text is Kanji. I realize that 
including Kanji adds to the expense of producing the book, but I have 
seen other texts that includes the Romanji with the Kanji, arranged by 
chapter, as an appendix. Such an arrangement would keep the text in the 
chapters as they are, while providing that extra block of information in 
a readily accessible place. 
In conclusion, anyone with any connection with KSR *should* already own 
this book; anyone with any interest in KSR should own this book; and 
anyone with any interest in Koryu and/or Bugei culture should strongly 
consider adding this text to their personal library. 
So, with this book out, many of us are now awaiting the announcement of 
the availability of *the definitive translation* of "Gorin no Sho" by an 
expert practitioner of Kenjutsu and a scholar of Japanese history. 

 Cosa mi consigli ?
Di scrivermi in email? ;-)
(per il permesso vedi tu, non conosco la situazione)
Ciao
Tac
(aikido)

 Precisamente.
Attualmente studio insieme al Maestro Toshiaki Takikawa lo stile
Jikishinkage Ryu Aiki-Ju-Jitsu e lo stile Okazaki Ju-Jitsu con il Maestro
Glen Landolt.
Non so se posso scrivere qui il nome del dojo per motivi di non gradita
pubblicità su un NG pubblico.
Se posso fare senza avere problemi lo faro'. Ditemi Voi.
Sono affiliato alla US-Ju-Jitsu Federation.
---> 3men_do <---

 Sono affiliato alla US-Ju-Jitsu Federation.
Mmm.
Tac
(aikido)

 con le armi. O sto dicendo una ca**ata?
Non sbagli. O almeno non sbagli tu molto !
La specializzazione in Kumi-Tachi rappresenta lo studio dello scontro tra
due guerrieri armati di spada.
In alcune scuole una delle due spade puo' viene sostituita anche dalla
Naginata.
Il combattimento viene studiato con delle forme preordinate per poi
arrivare, ad alti livelli di pratica, allo scontro vero con le armi sempre
di acciaio ma protette per mezzo di una apposita protezione di plastica o di
legno sul taglio e sulla punta.
Come ho già scritto, Kumi-Tachi e' uno stile che prevede anche molti
infortuni di conseguenza non e' molto praticato oggi con spade vere.
Solo in alcune scuole tradizionali e con studenti avanzati questo viene
praticato con armi di acciaio.
---> 3men_do <---

 Sono di Torino se tu non fossi lontano forse si potrebbe....
Io non risiedo in Italia.
Sono impegnato per lavoro in questo periodo tra Genova, Milano e Roma.
---> 3men_do <---

 Mmm.
Conosci ?
---> 3men_do <---

 
Ehm... addirittura :-)
Tac
(aikido)

 Sono impegnato per lavoro in questo periodo tra Genova, Milano e Roma.
G8?  ;)))
M.

 praticato con armi di acciaio.
Dev' essere un'esperienza incredibile... per arrivare a certi livelli si
dev'essere in uno stato di muga/mushin.... o meglio ancora, *attraverso la
pratica* è possibile raggiungere tali stati.... bellissimo!
M.

 pratica* č possibile raggiungere tali stati.... bellissimo!
E' una esperienza che consiglio a tutti gli studiosi di arti marziali.
Specialmente a quelli di una certa etą: alcune pratiche marziali abbisognano
di un certo livello culturale e di una preparazione tecnica elevata. E'
abbastanza usuale nei Maestri del tradizionale non accettare allievi giovani
o non adeguatamente maturi.
A meno che non siano famigliari o figli di allievi anziani.
---> 3men_do <---

 G8?  ;)))
Si.
---> 3men_do <---

 ---> 3men_do <---
lo sapevo....
M.

 ---> 3men_do <---
M.
P.S. E' un piacere parlare di queste cose!

 lo sapevo....
Non ha ancora detto se fà parte del servizio d'ordine o di una banda 
terroristica!.. :-)
Tac
(aikido)

 perchè, molto spesso, più un Maestro è bravo, meno è conosciuto alla
massa!
Credo che sia opportuno.
---> 3men_do <---

 terroristica!.. :-)
Facciamo parte di un team di consiglieri para-militari che affianca la
sicurezza americana al seguito dei politici.
Quindi nulla di pericoloso e di attivo, solo osservazione dei fenomeni ed
eventuali consigli di strategia operativa.
Un lavoro impiegatizio.
---> 3men_do <---

 Credo che sia opportuno.
Sicuramente opportuno, ma frustrante per chi vorrebbe far parte di certi
ambienti ma, per mancanza di presentazioni o di conoscenze non riesce ad
entrarvi....
A parte il fatto che io, in questo caso, credo molto anche in una sorta di
"destino", che ci fa trovare il Maestro giusto. Poi però sta a noi
riconoscerlo!!!
A presto
M

 Un lavoro impiegatizio.
See.... non so perchè, ma uno come te non me lo vedo tanto a fare
l'impiegato!!!  ;)))
Un po' di tameshigiri coi manifestanti....   ;)))
Ciao
M

 Un po' di tameshigiri coi manifestanti....   ;)))
Eeeeeehhhh che mica solo a Tyson piacciono le orecchiette!:.. 'Ź__Ź
Tac
(aikido)

 Un po' di tameshigiri coi manifestanti....   ;)))
La "mission" dell'ente governativo a cui facciamo riferimento e' la
prevenzione.
Null'altro.
---> 3men_do <---

 Eeeeeehhhh che mica solo a Tyson piacciono le orecchiette!:.. '،__،
Molto simpatico questo tuo disegno.
:)
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 Ma pensi solo a giocare!..
Lo ammetto!
nino

 Sono impegnato per lavoro in questo periodo tra Genova, Milano e Roma.
peccato! 
ciao Nino

 Ehm... addirittura :-)
in effetti sig. è un pò tanto :-)

 
A questo punto qualcuno avrebbe detto .... interessante.
nino

In 
MPG.15c0f08ba...@news.tin.it
, T.A.C. One,
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mi sa che non dirà nulla!
Nino

In U%A57.6024$
VO5.2...@news.infostrada.it
, tr3men_do, 
tr3m...@libero.it
,
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e leggete cosa si dice nei NG? osservazione del fenomeno?
scherzo!!!  (meglio dirlo)
nino

Null'altro.
prevenire e meglio che curare
Ciao Nino

 organico e sistemico dei dati acquisiti.
Sono assolutamente d'accordo. Certo, anche qui è una questione di
addestramento per acquisire la necessaria "sensibilità", un po' come nelle
Arti Marziali....
Però un po' di tameshigiri........   ;))))))
Ciao
M

 prevenire e meglio che curare
Oh... lo pensò anche Re Salomone, a suo tempo.
Tac
(aikido)

 ;-)
Secondo me, invece, *contemporaneamente*......   ;)))

 riconoscerlo!!!
Credo sia piu' difficile trovarlo che riconoscerlo...
Tac
(aikido)

 Credo sia piu' difficile trovarlo che riconoscerlo...
Mica detto... qui entra in ballo la sensiblità del praticante... come si 
suol dire ci vuole si' un buon maestro...ma  pure un buon allievo eheheh
-- 
Ragno
Kenpo karate

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1...@lacerta.tiscalinet.it
, mazza, 
matteo...@tiscalinet.it
,
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Di fatto adesso è sparito... un vero ninja?
nino

 Di fatto adesso è sparito... un vero ninja?
Magari: i ninja tornano sempre sul luogo del delitto :-))))).
Tac
(tornerà..)

nino
AHAH,no,no,è chiuso dentro la zona rossa a Genova come un mio amico!
Ciao
Ego

 Di fatto adesso è sparito... un vero ninja?
Scusate la assenza di ieri. Purtroppo non e' stata una bella giornata.
E oggi non credo sarà migliore qui.
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 E oggi non credo sarà migliore qui.
Non ti preoccupare: è normale. Se si preoccupano per un giorno solo vuol 
dire che ti vogliono già bene :-DDDDDD
Tac
(aikido)

 ---> 3men_do <---
Nessun problema e, piuttosto, buon lavoro! In ogni caso, che tu resti o meno
in Italia, credo farebbe piacere a parecchie persone qui continuare a
discutere con te!
Fatti vivo, magari ogni tanto!
M.

 traduzione può noleggiare una filippina)
Io non sono filippino e so l'inglese, questa tua frase e razzista dopo tutto
sei italiano e c'è l'hai nel DNA il razzismo.
--
Steve Smith
steve...@tiscalinet.it

 tutto sei italiano e c'è l'hai nel DNA il razzismo.
E questa frase ke vorrebbe dire????
-- 
Ragno
Kenpo karate

 Steve Smith
Se sai l'inglese come dimostri di sapere l'italiano, stiamo freschi. Questa
tua frase č imbecille, dopotutto sei imbecille e ce l'hai nel DNA la tua
imbecillitŕ.
Ciao
Tagt (Aikido)
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 E questa frase ke vorrebbe dire????
Che si è dimenticato la magica regoletta delle 12 P.
Può capitare :-)
Tac
(aikido)

 sei italiano e c'č l'hai nel DNA il razzismo.
Ah beh, e invece uno che dice che sei italiano QUINDI razzista mi sembra
faccia un discorso molto maturo e razionale, vero?!?
Ma per piacere.....
M.

 Può capitare :-)
Sarà.... 
-- 
Ragno
Kenpo karate

Tagt (Aikido)
Quando fai così ti adoro!!^__^
Ciao
Ego

 Fatti vivo, magari ogni tanto!
Vorrei scusarmi con tutti voi per non aver potuto piů rispondere.
Questa sera ripartiamo. Stiamo raccogliendo le ultime cose per sistemarle
sul volo militare che ci precede.
Ho lasciato forse qualche quesito in sospeso ma comprenderete che non ho
avuto molto tempo per seguire il vostro bello NG.
Vi prometto che cercherň di connettermi, se possibile, dalla mia residenza.
Amo tanto l'Italia e se in questi pochi giorni abbiamo dovuto avere fare con
tanta violenza questo non vuole dire che il vostro paese sia meno bello.
Auguro vi un buono futuro e che le arti marziali siano sempre il vostro
sport preferito.
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 Vi prometto che cercherň di connettermi, se possibile, dalla mia residenza.
Ciao. Purtroppo trovare un server news free che pigli la gerarchia it 
non č sempre facile. 
Avevo trovato un portale web che permetteva di scrivere comodamente ma 
non lo trovo piu'.
Te ne dň un'altro, un po' piu' bruttarello :-).
http://www.mascanc.net/newsportal/thread.php/it.sport.arti-
marziali/index.html
Ciao
Tac
(aikido)


Grazie e ciao.
M.

 non č sempre facile.
Mi pare questo:
http://news.cis.dfn.de/
Ciao,Stef_Ozzy/Muay Thai/Wing Tsun/D.A.C.I.E

 
Se funziona Tagt piangerà di gioia per una settimana.
Tac
(aikido)

 Ciao,Stef_Ozzy/Muay Thai/Wing Tsun/D.A.C.I.E
Sniff... sniff... te l'ho mai detto che sei un uomo meraviglioso?
Vediamo... per ora mi sono iscritto, entro domani mi fanno sapere...
Ciauz
Tagt (Aikido)
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 Sniff... sniff... te l'ho mai detto che sei un uomo meraviglioso?
ROTFL ^_____^
Ahem... va bene una stretta di mano ;-)))
Ciao,Stef_Ozzy/Muay Thai/Wing Tsun/D.A.C.I.E

 ROTFL ^_____^
Effettivamente così com'è, l'affermazione fà un po' ridere...
:-DDDD
Tac
(aikido)

 Ahem... va bene una stretta di mano ;-)))
Da te mi aspetto come minimo 13 strette di mano al secondo :)))
Ciao
Tagt (Aikido)
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