Newsgroup: it.sport.arti-marziali
Titolo: Yang secondo Yang Jun (lungo)

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At the age of six, my grandfather began studying Tai Chi from his father,
alongside his elder brothers, and from this early age established a firm
foundation. Although he was only ten when his father passed away, under the
guiding discipline of his mother (Yang Hou Zhuqing, died 1985), and along
with his elder brothers, he persisted continuously in his practice. When he
grew to adulthood my great grandmother handed down to him and his second
elder brother (Yang Zhenji) the hand-written manuscripts of Tai Chi classics
and personal notes left behind by my great grandfather Yang Chengfu, helping
my grandfather to greatly improve his understanding of the art and its
principles. Later, whenever my grandfather returned home to see his mother,
he engaged in discussion and research and exchanged insights with his second
brother (Yang Zhenji) and younger brother (Yang Zhenguo). Even my great
grandmother, on observing my grandfathers Tai Chi form, said it was very
like his father's. In the end, my grandfather's present attainments are the
result of his seventy years of unremitting training.
As to questions regarding the relationship of Fu Zhongwen to the Yang
family, Yang Jianhou's second son Zhaoyuan (Yang Chengfu's second older
brother, who died when quite young) had a daughter named Yang Cong who
married a man from Yong Nian named Zhao Shutang. Zhao Shutang had a son
named Zhao Bin and a daughter named Zhao Guizhen. Zhao Guizhen later married
a man from Yong Nian named Fu Zhongwen. When Fu Zhongwen went to Shanghai to
work in a textile factory, because he was a relative, he lived for a short
time in the household of my great grandfather (Yang Chengfu). During the
period that Yang Chengfu was in Shanghai, Fu Zhongwen learned Tai Chi along
with others who were disciples of Yang Chengfu. Fu Zhongwen, because he was
a relative by marriage, called Yang Chengfu 'San Lao Ye' or 'third maternal
grandfather' and always referred to my grandfather and his brothers as 'jiu
jiu' or ' maternal uncle'. Fu Zhongwen's relationship to the Yang family was
that of a relative rather than a disciple. Later in Shanghai Fu Zhongwen
practiced diligently and worked in a very positive way to promote and spread
traditional Yang style Tai Chi Chuan. He had students all over China as well
as all round the world. Fu Zhongwen was a grandmaster who made huge
contributions to the development of traditional Yang Style Tai Chi Chuan.
Li Tianji and Li Bingci are both good friends of my grandfather and the
three went to Singapore together. Li Tianji had learned Tai Chi from his own
father and Sun Lutang (originator of the Sun style). Li Bingci is a
representative of Wu style Tai Chi Chuan. Neither Li Tianji nor Li Bingci
ever met Yang Chengfu. The three spent four months together in Singapore (Li
Tianji was only in Singapore one month) having been invitated by the
Singapore Chinese Martial Arts Association. Each taught a different type of
Tai Chi (Li Tianji taught 24-move simplified Tai Chi, Li Bingci taught Wu
style, and my grandfather taught Yang style). In the event more people
attended my grandfather's classes. That someone would guess that my
grandfathers current level of attainment is because he studied from these
two men and doubt that my grandfather learned from his own father from an
early age for nearly five years is astonishing to me. Li Tianji has already
passed away, but Li Bingci is still living in Beijing. I wish the person who
wrote this would get some actual information from Li Bingci or the Singapore
Chinese Martial Arts Association and only then post the results of their
research on the discussion board. Since I began traveling abroad with my
grandfather to teach Tai Chi in 1987, I have never heard of Michael Goon
(Gu?). I would like sometime to have the good fortune to meet this person
and try to clarify what that was all about. Even more, I wish that people
who suggest this sort of thing apply a diligent, responsible attitude to
their pronouncements, and not put out such completely unsupported fantasies.
Yang Chengfu had lots of students during his lifetime. Some of the main ones
were Dong Yingjie, Chen Weiming, Niu Chunming, Cui Lizhi, Tian Zhaolin, Chen
Yanlin, Zhang Qinglin, Zhang Qinlin, Li Yaxuan, Zheng Manqing. In Yang
Chengfu's book "Tai Chi Chuan Applications" the other person in the photos
with Yang Chengfu was Zhang Qinglin. Because the disciples of Yang Chengfu
had mostly previously learned some form of external martial arts, because
the amount of time they learned with Yang Chengfu differed, and furthermore
each added to their art what they themselves had discovered, they all ended
up doing the form somewhat differently. I think that everything is in a
process of continual development. If there were no development Yang style
would not have evolved from Chen style and Wu style would never have evolved
from Yang style. Still the measure of the success or failure of any
development depends in part on popular acceptance; no matter how much
advance is made in the development of the Tai Chi form, if no one learns it,
the development cannot be successful. Overall, those whose form is most
similar to the form taught by Yang Chengfu are in the main Zhang Qinlin and
Fu Zhongwen in Shanghai and Zhao Bin in Xi An.
As to the matter of Yang Fukui, I am just now trying to contact the
descendants of Yang Zhensheng and at the same time I am also trying to get
in touch with Yang Fukui himself to resolve some questions. Until we reach
some conclusions, I beg your indulgence, I'm not able to answer this sort of
question.
Now for my parent's generation. The Yang family hasn't produced enough
offspring. If we take the Yang Chengfu branch of the family (the other
branches either didn't produce any male heirs or they were scattered and we
have lost contact with them), though the eldest son Yang Shouzhong had a
son, during the war when Japan invaded China he was blown up by the Japanese
in Guangxi province. The second son, Yang Zhenji, had no children. Although
the third son Yang Zhenduo and the fourth son Yang Zhenguo both had two
sons, the time when they might have studied Tai Chi happened to coincide
with the famine which occurred in the 60's and the period of the Cultural
Revolution, and later because of career choices available they weren't able
to become professional Tai Chi teachers. So this generation, though they
practiced Tai Chi, did not become teachers. When we come to the sixth
generation, I am the oldest. Because of some social conditions, since I was
three months old I have lived with my grandparents, which provided a rather
good environment for me to learn Tai Chi. And though I know perhaps I am not
really clever enough, in the movements I have tried my best to imitate my
grandfather and to express the round, smooth, large and elegant qualities of
Yang style Tai Chi Chuan, and as a member of the Yang family I have striven
to the best of my ability to promote this marvelous art.
Tai Chi Chuan first came to public notice because of Yang Luchan and through
the efforts of Yang Banhou, Yang Jianhou, and Yang Chengfu it has spread
throughout China and the world, causing countless practitioners to gain
physical and mental health through their training in Tai Chi. This is a
contribution that the Yang family has made to the world, and because of this
the Yang family has earned a measure of respect from all those who practice
Tai Chi. Tai Chi Chuan is a type of Chinese martial art. Those who practice
Chinese martial arts should strive after martial arts morality. Respecting
our elders and being kind to those younger, humility and deference are
virtues prized by the Chinese people. Recently on the website some have
spoken in a way which was disrespectful. I suspect that those who spoke
disrespectfully belong to a younger generation than my grandfather, and
quite possibly they are two or three generations younger than him. If you
speak without respect of your teacher's generation, or worse your teacher's
teacher's generation, or still worse the generation prior to that, one can
only wonder about the state of your martial arts morality, and whether this
is because your teacher did not instruct you on this or you didn't take it
to heart.
The Yang family, from Yang Luchan onward to Yang Jianhou and Yang Chengfu,
have been famed for being gentle. Precisely because they approached people
humbly were they able to entice so many to study. My grandfather has always
tried to measure up to his father, to be humble and deferential. He has
expended a lifetime of effort to spread and promote his family's art of Tai
Chi Chuan. In Shanxi province alone his association has 30,000 members.
Throughout China he has taught countless numbers of students. Who knows how
many people have been stimulated by him to improve their health. He often
says "Would that Tai Chi Chuan can contribute to the health and longevity of
mankind" to encourage himself to greater efforts in this enterprise. I feel
so much pride and respect to have this kind of grandfather. Practicing
martial arts is a way to strengthen the body, and so I am doubly respectful
of anyone who practices. Still I cannot countenance anyone's disrespect for
the Yang family. In Chinese we have a saying "Beyond this mountain are (even
higher) mountains, beyond this person there are (even greater) people' . I
have no fear of being defeated because as a descendant of the Yang family,
the spirit of the family is still there.
Yang Jun
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Hello, vinlab!
You wrote  on Wed, 28 Jan 2004 12:05:31 GMT:
 v> Quoting dal forum di 
yangfamilytaichi.com
, mi scusassero i non
anglofoni...
Ma tu si pazz, mò dobbiamo invitare pure YJ :-(
PS.: Naturalmente scherzo, ma solo i link non bastano? ecchecazz...
With best regards, Southerne.  E-mail: 
not...@to.do

:-[
Almeno fate finta di fare un riassunto...
:-)
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 :-)
Almeno fa finta d'imparare un minimo d'inglese.
E' un dato di fatto che parecchie informazioni riguardo le Arti Marziali
siano in lingua Inglese (volente o nolente "LA" lingua di
internet)....adeguati, vecchiaccio malefico!!!!!
:-)
p.s.
e non tirare fuori le cazz..ehm...stupidate della gerarchia "IT" o
quant'altro
:-PPPP
Ciao
Franco

 Quoting dal forum di 
yangfamilytaichi.com
, mi scusassero i non anglofoni.
Quoto southerne meglio un link.
A maggio Yang Zhen Duo viene in europa per l'ultima volta dato che si e' 
ritirato. Qualcuno ha mai fatto uno stage con lui? Yang Zhen Ji o Zhen Guo?
Un mio amico tedesco e' andato in china da Zhen Ji ed e' rimasto molto 
contento. Penso che fosse con un gruppo polacco...boh.
Da quel che so io pero' accetta gruppi di visita se presentati ma non fa 
stage ne ha piu' di tanto contatti con occidente.
YM Dico cazzate?
G.

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:ExPRb.157275$VW.63...@news3.tin.it...
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Yang Zhen Duo dovrebbe effettivamente aver smesso di fare stage tant'č che
l'ultimo tenuto in Italia era Yang Jun da solo ..
sembra quindi finito il tirocinio da stage del nipote ed č probabile che di
usurarsi ad andare a giro a vedere un mucchio di sconosciuti ora tocchi a
lui ...
Af

 lui ...
Si pero' da un video che ho visto mi "prende" poco.
Hai mai avuto contatti con uno di quei 3 Yang di sopra?
I.

 Hai mai avuto contatti con uno di quei 3 Yang di sopra?
Padron ho cancellato i nomi. Yang ZhenDuo, ZhenGuo, ZhenJi.
I.

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A.
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 andato da Yang Jun, io personalmente non yango :-)
Grazie Padron Zzi se mi passi il contatto in priv o gli passi la mia mail.
I.

 quant'altro
E lo sai bene che non sono cazz...stupidate !!! Nella Gerarchia IT un buon
utente sapendo di postare in un'altra lingua dovrebbe almeno inserire un
piccolo sunto dell'argomento in italiano.
Come si suol dire, in questi casi, un po' di rispetto !!!
^______^
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L'ho appena contattato, appena mi risponde ti faccio sapere.
Af
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Ah ecco mi pareva che qualcosa non andava...ce ne manca 1 Zhen Ming e 
uno e' ripetuto.
Va be' cmq la domanda rimane invariata :
Avete avuto contatti con uno dei 3 figli di YCF?
I.