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Titolo: xing yi delle 6 armonie e dei 10 animali

qualcuno mi sa dare delle informazioni su questo stile?

 qualcuno mi sa dare delle informazioni su questo stile?
io purtroppo no.
aspetta............ WWWOOOOOOOONNNNGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!
fatto. :-)
Giorigo (hung gar)
p.s.
ma non sei tu quello che dovrebbe dare info a noi sullo XY? :-?

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non è lo stile che pratico io
so che lo stile è molto semplificato, non ci sono i 5 elementi ma solo 10
animali.
Ho visto delle foto, ma non mi sembra ci sia molto in comune con gli animali
del mio stile di xing yi.
Chi lo insegna mi ha detto che lo stile è semplice ed ha subito poche
evoluzioni perchè  perchè è rimasto all'interno di una comunità mussulmana.
chiedevo informazioni perchè uno stile di xing yi senza i 5 elementi mi
sembra un po' strano.

 sembra un po' strano.
capito
Giorgio (hung gar)

 qualcuno mi sa dare delle informazioni su questo stile?
Penso ti riferisca allo xin (non xing) yi liu he
vedi sotto, ottimo stile
YM
<quote>
http://homepages.msn.com/SpiritSt/xinyi/xinyiquan_and_xingyiquanXYLH_new1.ht
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Xinyi Liuhe Quan (literally - Fist of Mind, Intention and Six Harmonies) is
a martial art that has developed in Henan Province among Chinese Hui
(Moslem) nationality. It is considered one of the most powerful and
fighting-oriented styles among other Chinese Martial Arts, and for a long
time it has been known for its effectiveness in fighting, while very few
actually knew the practice methods of the style. Xinyi Liuhe Quan, along
with Cha Quan and Qi Shi Quan (Boxing of Seven Postures), have been
considered "Jiao Men Quan" ("religious - e.g. Moslem - boxing") meant to
protect followers of Islam in China.
For more than two centuries the style had been kept secret and transmitted
only to very few Moslem practitioners. Only at the beginning of this century
first native Chinese (Han nationality) learnt the style, but still up to now
the most skilful experts of Xinyi Liuhe Quan can be found within Hui
communities in China.
Since the arts of Xinyi and Xingyiquan are generally divided into Hebei,
Shanxi and Henan branches, the style is also called Henan Xinyi/Xingyi. In
the West the style is often referred to as Ten Animals Xingyi.
 The early history of the style is not very clear.
 The art of Xinyi Liuhe Quan was passed secretly among Chinese Moslems and
has been known as "the most cruel style among Chinese martial arts"
    According to "Preface to Six Harmonies Boxing" ("Liuhequan Xu") written
in 1750, the style was created by Yue Fei who "as a child learnt from a
master of deep knowledge and became very skilful at spear play; (on this
basis) he created a boxing method to teach his officers and called it
"Intention Boxing" (Yi Quan); (the martial art was) marvelous and ingenious,
unlike any other before. After the King (e.g. Yue Fei) (passed away), during
Jin, Yuan and Ming dynasties the art was rarely seen. Master Ji, called Ji
Jike, also known as Ji Longfeng living at the end of Ming and beginning of
Qing dynasties in Zhufeng of Pudong (today's Zun Village in Shanxi
Province), went to Zhongnan Mountains to visit teachers with deep knowledge
there and received the boxing manual of King Wumu (e.g. Yue Fei) (...)".
According to "Ji Clan Chronicles" (Ji Shi Jiapu) Ji Longfeng's spear skill
was extraordinary and he was known as "Divine Spear" (Shen Qiang). He
created a fist boxing using spear principles and taught in Henan.
    These two texts talk about creating martial art on the basis of spear,
although the first one attributes it to Yue Fei, while the other one - to Ji
Longfeng.
Recently one of Chinese martial arts magazines published an article about a
discovery of a new branch of Xinyiquan, related neither to Moslem nor Dai
Family. The style is practiced only in a very small community in a small
village in Henan Province. Many facts seem to support the thesis that the
style is a "living remain" of Yue Fei's boxing from before Ji Longfeng's
times. For example - one of the rules of that style does not allow to pass
the boxing to people with the last name Qin - probably because Yue Fei was
betrayed (which resulted in death sentence) by Qin Hui, minister in Song
court. The style shows some similarity to other Xinyi branches, but its
movements are more simple, methodology of neigong (internal exercises) is
practically non-existent and emphasis is put on practical fighting skills.
    The first Moslem to learn the art and pass it to his disciples was Ma
Xueli (about 1714-1790) of Luoyang in Henan Province.
    The connection between Ma Xueli and Ji Longfeng is not completely clear
and even Ma clan members did not know the name of Ma's teacher. A  wandering
master of unknown name who spent several years in Luoyang's Beiyao village
was considered by them to be Ma Xueli's teacher. It is said that Ma's
teacher for some reasons (one of them could be involvement in anti-Qing
movement) wanted to keep his name secret.
 On the other hand Moslem Xinyi Liuhe Quan practitioners in Lushan and other
towns in Henan Province of lineages not directly related to that in Luoyang
knew about Ji Longfeng and considered him to be Ma's teacher. This is
probably because of the exchanges between one of Moslem Xinyi Liuhe Quan
masters, Mai Zhuangtu, and Dai clan members.
    A popular story says that Ma Xueli heard about Ji Longfeng and went to
Ji's village in neighbouring Shanxi Province to study Xinyiquan. However
since Ji did not teach martial art, Ma pretended to be deaf and dumb and was
hired as Ji's servant. In this way Ma could observe Ji practicing Xinyiquan
and within three years Ma not only learnt a lot but also became very
skilful. After three years Ma was supposed to leave Ji's home and told his
master about everything. Ma was asked to demonstrate what he had learnt and
Ji realized he was very talented. Moved by Ma's sincerity Ji accepted Ma as
his disciple and taught the complete art of Xinyiquan to him.
    Further research into history and techniques of Xinyi Liuhe Quan
suggests that the style could be a compilation of at least two styles - old
Moslem style of Liuhequan (Six Harmonies Boxing; style different from
Shaolin's Liuhequan; the name came from the name of six-cornered caps that
Moslems used to wear) and Xinyiquan (Mind and Intention Boxing) coming -
probably - from Ji Longfeng. Xinyi Liuhe Quan practised nowadays consists of
two main parts - fist techniques (so-called "Ten Famous Fists" - Shi Da Ming
Quan - originating from old Liuhequan) and movements imitating animals (Ten
Big Shapes - of Xinyiquan origin).
Ma Xueli taught very few disciples and only three of them are known: Ma
Xing, Ma Sanyuan, Zhang Zhicheng.
Currently the most important branches of Henan Xinyi Liuhe Quan are:
Luoyang Style, established by Ma Xing (also called Ma Style);
Lushan Style, coming from Zhang Zhicheng; the style was later developed by
Mai Zhuangtu and hence is also referred to as Mai Style;
Ma Xing was Ma Xueli's nephew; he learnt the system of Xinyi Liuhe Quan and
later reorganized the original set of many single movements he inherited
from Ma Xueli into less and more complex routines. Ma Xing's style has been
secretly transmitted within Ma clan relatives and Moslem community of
Luoyang and re-discovered in late 80s. It is known as "Luoyang branch of
Xinyi Liuhe Quan" and is a relatively unknown martial art. Ma Xing passed
the art to his son, Ma Meihu; Ma Meihu was born in 1805 and passed away in
1928, living 119 years. His disciple, Liu Wanyi, first learnt from Ma Xing
and then continued martial art study under his cousin, Ma Meihu.
In Luoyang Style Xinyi Liuhe Quan single movements taught by Ma Xueli were
combined into short routines by Ma Xing
    Once Liu Wanyi was invited to teach in Nanyang and immediately after
arrival was challenged by a famous local fighter, Li Hu. Liu asked Li to
attack first and Li striked with both fists to Liu's ears. Liu blocked the
strike, and then immediately grasped Li's belt with one hand and pulled it,
while at the same time hit him to the head, breaking Li's backbone.
Liu's best disciple was Ma Mengle (Ma Mengluo), who taught many disciples in
Luoyang, both Moslems and Hans (native Chinese).
    Ma Sanyuan's skill was said to be very good, however Ma had bad temper
and killed many people in fights. Later he became mentally sick and killed
himself. Ma Sanyuan organized famous Siba (Four Seizes) routine into 36
movements so that it contained the essence of both fist and animal styles.
Although generally Ma Sanyuan is considered to not have left any disciples,
actually there are still practitioners who inherited Ma Sanyuan's style.
They live in remote villages in central Henan's countryside.
    The most thriving lineage of Henan Xinyi Liuhe Quan comes through
another of Ma Xueli's disciples - Zhang Zhicheng. Zhang was from Nanyang in
Henan Province and taught the art to very few disciples; only his nephew, Li
Zheng of Lushan County, was the one to inherit the complete system.
 There are many stories about Li Zheng - one says that Li escorted caravans
and used to practise Chicken Step (Ji Xing Bu) in the meantime -  he first
chased the caravan until he caught up with it, then walked in the opposite
direction for a while and then again chased the caravan. In this way his
legs became very strong, footwork evasive and movements agile. In his late
years Li's skill became very refined so that he  was able to push the
challenging opponents far away while keeping a bowl full of water in one
hand. Even one drop of water was not spilled.
    Although Li Zheng is also a person sometimes held responsible for
passing the art of Xinyi Liuhe Quan to Dai Longbang and his sons (which
happened when Dais opened an inn in Shijiadian in Henan), it is actually not
clear whether it was "this" Li Zheng (Zhang Zhicheng's disciple) or somebody
else with the same name.
 Li Zheng's most famous Moslem disciple was Zhang Ju of Lushan in Henan
Province.
A story says that Zhang owned a Moslem restaurant in Lushan and whenever Li
Zheng was passing by Zhang invited him inside. Zhang treated Li with great
respect and after ten years Li came to his restaurant and said to Zhang: "I
know a high level neijia martial art and decided to pass it to you as you
are a sincere man of high morals. You should practice it hard and in the
future choose one or two students and teach them. If in your opinion none is
worth teaching, keep it secret and do not teach it!". Later Zhang Ju
achieved a very high level of skill in Xinyi Liuhe Quan.
    Zhang had two disciples: Zhang Gen (his son) and nephew Mai Zhuangtu.
Zhang Gen studied the art since early childhood and at the age of 15 became
an accomplished expert. He was called "Stove for Scrap" because he used to
fight with many bandits proficient in martial arts and either kill or
cripple them so that they could never fight again (this was called "taking
the art back" and was a common practice in martial arts circles directed
against students who did not follow the rules of Wude - Martial Virtue - and
became bandits).
    There is a story that once Zhang Ju's gongfu brother came to visit him.
He sat on a wooden chair and asked about Zhang Gen's skill with
disrespectful intonation in his voice. Zhang Gen told his gongfu uncle to
watch him carefully and before the uncle was able to react Zhang Gen used
Bear's Dan Ba (Single Seize, one of Xinyi Liuhe most famous techniques) to
hit. Uncle was knocked out and it took him half a day to regain
consciuosness. The chair he was sitting on collapsed under Zhang Gen's
strike.
Zhang Gen used to teach in many villages around his hometown and was often
coming back home late in night. Once in a forest on his way he saw a shadow
of a man in the darkness and decided to attack him with a "Sparrow Hawk
Flies into Forest" (Yaozi Ru Lin) technique. However what appeared to him to
be a man was in reality a thick branch of a tree and Zhang died pierced by
the branch.
Another famous disciple of Zhang Ju was Mai Zhuangtu, nowadays the most
respected master of Lushan lineage.
Mai Zhuangtu (1829-1892), native of Lushan in Henan Province. Mai was doing
leather trading business and often travelling across Henan and neighbouring
provinces. He is responsible for spreading Xinyi Liuhe Quan to Zhoukou in
Henan, which became the main center of the style in this century. Only
recently it became known with "discovery" of Xinyi Liuhe Quan in Shanxi and
Hebei Provinces that during his travels Mai visited also Qi County in Shanxi
Province, Dai clan hometown, and taught some students there. This is
probably where Mai heard about Ji Longfeng as the creator of Xinyi boxing.
There are also some stories about visits of Taigu Xingyi masters to Mai's
hometown, Lushan, which are inscribed on a memorial tablet at Black Tiger
Bridge in Lushan. Technically Xinyi Liuhe Quan passed by Mai Zhuangtu shares
many common features with Dai family Xinyi.
Generaly speaking Mai Zhuangtu made the following contributions to Xinyi
Liuhe Quan:
simplified the old style 36-movements Siba routine into a four movement set
which became one of the most essential training methods in Lushan branch of
Xinyi Liuhe Quan;
through exchange with Dai Family Xinyi practitioners probably incorporated
some Dai branch practice methods into Moslem style (although the contents of
this exchange and its influence on both Dai and Moslem branches would
require further research);
spread Xinyi Liuhe Quan all over Henan Province as well as in Shanxi and
Shaanxi Provinces; Zhoukou in Henan with its Moslem community became the
most influencial center of the style;
    Mai skills were legendary:
According to one of the stories Mai Zhuangtu was once sitting with his
cousin, also Xinyi Liuhe Quan expert, Li Haisen (famous for his Dan Ba),
discussing boxing methods. The cousin became very unhappy about the noise of
sparrows sitting on a nearby tree and wanted to break the tree. Mai stopped
him and while lifting the bamboo curtain covering the entrance, he caught
the sparrow alive with the other hand. Another time, in Wuyang County, asked
by Ding Zhaoxiang, local Imam, Mai demonstrated "Sticking to Butterfly
Method" - he covered a flying butterfly with hand and was following it so
that the butterfly could not escape from below Mai's palm. Mai was also
famous for hitting his opponents so that they were pushed into the air, and
then catching them so that they did not fall on the ground after the strike
and hurt themselves.
    Mai Zhuangtu had many disciples of whom the most famous were: Mai Xueli
(son), Ding Zhaoxiang of Wuyang County, An Daqing of Chang'an (today's
Xi'an; both Ding Zhaoxiang and An Daqing were Imams, Islam priests), Yuan
Fengyi (Zhoukou) and Yuan Changqing (Zhoukou).
    An Daqing's student, Bao Ding (Bao Xianting, 1865-1942) wrote first book
on Xinyi Liuhe Quan published openly in 1931, "Xingyi Boxing Manual". His
another book "Illustrated Explanation to Internal Method in Thirteen Parts"
was published in 1927.
    Yuan Changqing passed his art to Mai Jinkui of Zhoukou, who later moved
to Wuhan in Hubei Province. Mai is said to fight a lot to survive in Wuhan
(Hankou). Using his favourite weapon, heavy two-sectional staff only, Mai
defeated many local gangs and became the head of harbour workers in Hankou.
Yuan Fengyi's four most famous students were: Shang Xueli, Yang Dianqing, Lu
Song'gao (these three were called "Three Heroes from Zhoukou") and Song
Guobin.
Lu Song'gao (?-1962) brought Xinyi Liuhe Quan from Henan's countryside to
Shanghai - on the photo in "Dragon Wraps and Strikes to the Side" (Long Xing
Guo Heng) movement
    Shang Xueli first learnt Chazi boxing (boxing emphasizing hardening
skills) from Yuan Fengyi and became his disciple. Later, when Yuan was
defeated by Mai Zhuangtu and became Mai's disciple, Shang Xueli started to
learn Xinyi Liuhe Quan from both Mai Zhuangtu and Yuan Fengyi. Shang was
Yuan's best disciple and won Leitai (free fighting) competitions in Kaifeng
where he used a combination of "Back Power" (Bei Jin) and knee strike (Ti
Xi) defeating Shaolin expert, Zhang Qilin (who died few days later because
of internal injury).
    Lu Song'gao (?-1962) was the first one to popularize the art and teach
it to non-Moslems. Lu killed a man in a fight in his hometown, Zhoukou, and
had to flee. He first went to Wuhan where he met Tie family (Mai Zhuangtu's
adopted daughter was married to Tie Bing), then to Anhui Province, where he
stayed for some time with his gongfu brother Song Guobin. Finally Lu moved
and settled down in Shanghai, where he defeated many famous martial artists.
Later, along with more Moslem Xinyi Liuhe experts coming to the city,
Shanghai became new center of the art.
<end/quote>

 YM
dovrebbe essere xing yi  e non xin yi, eppure dalla descrizione sul sito mi
sembra la stessa cosa di cui mi avevano parlato.
Appena posso vado a vedere di persona di cosa si tratta