Newsgroup: it.politica.pds
Titolo: Times: governo USA ammette pagamento Italia-talebani (originale)

Sepmpre pi� terrorizzato dalla minacce di querele di La Russa, che
crede che all'estero quello che dicono lui e il suo signore e padrone
abbia una qualche rilevanza, oltre a quella di far spanciare dalle
risate, il Times anche oggi dedica un paio di articoli all'accordo
"governo italiano-talebani". Ecco il primo.
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United States admits tackling Italians over payments to the Taleban
[Tim Reid in Washington, The Times, October 17, 2009]
The US Government acknowledged for the first time yesterday that
payment of protection money to the Taleban by Italian forces in
Afghanistan was discussed by American officials and their Italian
counterparts last year.
A senior US official confirmed, two days after The Times reported that
Italian authorities had paid the bribes, that �the issue [of payments]
was raised with the Italians�.
The official would neither confirm nor deny that the representation to
Silvio Berlusconi�s Government was in the form of a d�marche or
diplomatic protest, but Nato officials have told The Times that such a
complaint was made by the US in Rome last year.
The payment of Italian protection money was revealed after the deaths
of ten French soldiers in August 2008 at the hands of a large Taleban
force in Sarobi, east of Kabul. French forces had taken over the
district from Italian troops, but were unaware of the secret Italian
payments to local commanders to stop attacks on their forces, and
misjudged threat levels. 
The day after The Times report, a Taleban commander and two senior
Afghan officials also said that Italian forces had struck deals to
prevent attacks on their troops.
Bruce Riedel, who headed President Obama�s Afghanistan policy review
this year but is no longer inside the Administration, told The Times
that he heard allegations of the Italian payments during a trip to
Paris in the last week of September. A businessman with close ties to
the French Government told him that the Italians had been paying the
Taleban �but had forgotten to tell us [the French]�, Mr Riedel said.
Rome has angrily denied the report. �The Berlusconi Government has
never authorised nor has it allowed any form of payment toward members
of the Taleban insurgency,� said a statement by the office of the
Italian Prime Minister.
Ignazio La Russa, Italy�s Defence Minister, insisted that the
allegations were �absolute rubbish�. The French Opposition, however,
has demanded an urgent explanation to Parliament, describing the
details as �very serious�.
Yesterday Herv� Morin, the French Defence Minister, said the idea that
an army might pay Taleban insurgents not to attack them would breach
established military doctrine. He added: �I have no reason to question
the word of the Italian Government.�
Canada has also been forced to deny reports that its soldiers paid the
enemy in Afghanistan to keep the peace. A foreign wire service quoted
an Afghan Army source as saying that Canadian soldiers in Kandahar
province, in the Taleban-strong south, had made payments to
insurgents.
�I haven�t heard of any type of payment that would be done by our
troops in order to remain protected,� said Lieutenant-Colonel Chris
Lemay, a spokesman with the Canadian Expeditionary Forces Command.
�With the number of casualties we�ve been getting, had we paid these
guys they wouldn�t be holding up their end of the bargain.� 
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 "governo italiano-talebani". Ecco il primo.
sinceramente non ci credo che i nostri servizi segreti abbiano pagato i 
talebani per lasciare in pace i nostri soldati.....anche perch�, se fosse 
vero,
cavolo, bisognerebbe farsi dare indietro i soldi, con tutti quelli che hanno 
ammazzato!
se poi non li pagavano, che succedeva? sterminavano tutti i soldati 
italiani??????
poi, mi sembra che la stampa estera si stia davvero accanendo contro 
l'italia, in tutti i modi....l'inghilterra, poi, con gli scandali e le grane 
che si
ritrova con i suoi ministri (primi e non...) secondo me dovrebbe solo 
guardarsi il fango che ha in casa, prima di buttarne gratuitamente a 
noi..... pi� si va avanti pi� si scopre che gli esponenti politici italiani 
da cui i giornali stranieri attingono false notizie, sono dei 
criminali....da cui il popolo sano fugge a galoppo... tra poco tempo 
rimarranno soli con la occulta loro polizia di assassini...brigate rosse...

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Con tutto il rispetto per la tua autorevole opinione, mi sembra che la 
denuncia di Times abbia alcuni grammi di peso in pi�. 

>talebani per lasciare in pace i nostri soldati
In base a cosa non credi? Perch� lo dice La Russa (che ovviamente, al
contrario degli inglesi, parlerebbe disinteressatamente)?
Beh, se � solo in base all'autorevolezza di chi parla che si deve
decidere a chi credere, allora io credo di pi� al Times.
P.S. Dal fascismo (quello del ventenni0: non questa caricatura, che
non per questo � meno pericolosa), non � stato il Pantheon di La Russa
& C. a tirarci fuori.   
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>>talebani per lasciare in pace i nostri soldati
Outis, scusa. � Lara che l'ha scritto.
Mentor
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 Outis, scusa. � Lara che l'ha scritto.
E a Lata mi riferivo. Spiacente dell'equivoco.
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sinceramente non ci credo che i nostri servizi segreti abbiano pagato i
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