Newsgroup: it.politica.pds
Titolo: Che prove cercate?

Immediatamente si disse che la colpa era di laden...molti (giustamente)
chiesero le prove della colpevolezza del saudita.
Oggi si sa che sugli aerei vi erano persone riconducibili a laden munite di
coltellini che avevano preso lezioni di volo.
Oltre a questi elementi che chiamare indizi gią mi pare un po' riduttivo ci
sono altri tasselli...manuali, piantine....e altre cosette che
verosimilmente fbi-cia e servizi di tutto il mondo conoscono ma non
divulgano per non compromettere le operazioni di spionaggio.
Nessun servizio segreto mondiale ha messo in dubbio l'origine
dell'attentato...oggi i britannici asseriscono di avere le PROVE ADDIRITTURA
di futuri progetti terroristici di laden...
OGGI chiedo SOLO a quei pochi anche del ng che asseriscono la necessitą di
recuperare prove della colpevolezza di laden che tipo di prova riterrebbero
sufficiente????
Cercano forse una confessione scritta e autografa? Cercano la foto di laden
mentre compera i biglietti aerei ai suoi amici e gli augura buon viaggio?
Cercano la fattura di vendita dei coltellini intestata a qualche talebano?
Boh...
Sarei grato a quei pochi puntigliosi e scrupolosi che ritengono inesistenti
le prove che mi indicassero quale elemento probatorio riterrebbero valido.
Grazie.

 Cercano la fattura di vendita dei coltellini intestata a qualche talebano?
Non sono i pochi dell' Ng a chiedere le prove del coinvolgimento di bin
laden, sono i governi dell' unione europea. E nonostante Powell avesse
assicurato che sarebbero state presentete all' ultimo vertice nato, questo
non e' successo. E, guarda caso, gli americani non hanno chiesto la
attivazione dell' alleanza: faranno tutto da solo, dicono, con l' aiuto
dell' UK (che ' una specie di quello che era l' Ucraina per l' Unione
Sovietica) e dei turchi, che quando hanno sentito parlare di coalizione
antiterrorismo hanno fatto il pieno ai carriarmati in Kurdistan.
JP

 antiterrorismo hanno fatto il pieno ai carriarmati in Kurdistan.
    Di più: interrogato Powell dai giornalisti USA su dove fossero queste
prove, lui ha risposto che hanno accumulato abbastanza prove contro di lui
per le stragi delle due ambasciate e della nave da guerra in Yemen.
    Quando gli hanno detto "Si, d'accordo, ma per il WTC?" lui è andato
via...
    E' evidente che...
    Saluti.

     Saluti.
Abbiamo un motivo in piů per dare contro ai talebani:
vogliono mandare via Bin Laden anche se gli Usa non tirano fuori le prove!!!
Maledetti antidemocratici......
Mr. X

> 
Se si tratta di catturare e giudicare bin Laden, il problema non mi
sembra quello di avere le prove del suo coinvolgimento nella strage
del WTC, dato che altri di altri attentati terroristici è certamente
colpevole. Il problema è piuttosto quello di stabilire chi lo
giudicherà. Dovrebbe essere non la parte lesa, ma un tribunale super
partes. E non un tribunale speciale ma piuttosto quell'International
Criminal Court di cui da tempo si auspica l'istituzione.
Background on the International Criminal Court
After the devastation of World War II, the world put Nazi leaders
responsible on trial to demonstrate that ‘never again’ would such
blatant destruction of human life and dignity be permitted.
Unfortunately, in the succeeding fifty years, the world sustained
atrocity after atrocity without having recourse to any permanent,
global mechanism for the prevention or punishment of such crimes.
However, with the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC),
the aspiration of fulfilling the commitment to ‘never again’ has
finally become an enforceable reality.
The International Criminal Court will be a permanent court to
investigate and bring to justice individuals who commit the most
serious crimes – namely: genocide; war crimes; and crimes against
humanity. The ICC is meant to complement national legal structures,
and will act only when the national systems are either unwilling or
genuinely unable to proceed.
The treaty to establish the International Criminal Court was adopted
in Rome on July 17, 1998 by the affirmative vote of 120 countries at
the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the
Establishment of an International Criminal Court, or the “Rome
Conference.” Inspired by the Nuremberg trials, and the International
Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia, 160 countries
negotiated the treaty that designed the world’s first permanent
International Criminal Court to prevent perpetrators of the most
heinous crimes from eluding justice.
To date, 139 countries have signed and 38 countries have ratified the
Statute – the Court will enter into effect when 60 countries have
ratified (which is expected by mid-2002). Signatories encompass
countries from all regions of the globe, including major US allies:
all NATO members (except Turkey); all member-states of the European
Union; and three Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (France,
Russia, and the United Kingdom). The United States played a key role
in negotiating the original treaty – particularly regarding due
process and rights of the accused – but voted against the creation of
the Court, citing concerns that American servicemembers could be
subject to investigation or prosecution.  However, on December 31st
2000, the closing date for signature, president Clinton signed the ICC
treaty.
Cases will come before the International Criminal Court in one of
three ways: the United Nations Security Council may refer a situation
using its powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter regardless of
where or by whom the crime in question was committed; a situation may
be referred to the Prosecutor by a country that has ratified the Rome
Statute; or the Prosecutor may initiate an investigation on his or her
own (but may only pursue it with the approval of the Pre-Trial
Chamber). Furthermore, except in the case of a Security Council
referral, the ICC will only be able to exercise jurisdiction over
crimes committed by nationals or on the territory of countries that
have ratified the ICC.
The Assembly of States Parties is the governing body of the
International Criminal Court, and consists of all those countries that
have ratified the Rome Statute. The International Criminal Court will
be located in The Hague in the Netherlands. The Court will be composed
of four divisions: a Presidency; Pre-Trial, Trial, and Appeals
Divisions; the Office of the Prosecutor; and the Registry. There will
be 18 judges on the Court, serving in the various divisions, who will
be elected to the Court by the Assembly of States Parties for
nine-year, non-renewable terms. The Prosecutor will also be elected
for a nine-year, non-renewable term, and all Court personnel will
reflect the geographical and legal diversity of the member countries.
Since the Rome Conference, the UN’s General Assembly has held
Preparatory Commission (PrepCom) sessions to determine the mechanics
of the Court. On June 30, 2000, the PrepCom adopted the Rules of
Procedure and Evidence and the Elements of Crimes. At the PrepCom held
November 27 through December 8, 2000, the Assembly of States Parties
addressed the Relationship Agreement between the UN and the Court (the
Financial Regulations of the Court, the Agreement on Privileges and
Immunities, and definition for the crime of aggression). The General
Assembly has called for two PrepCom sessions in 2001, with the first
beginning in late February.
States had only until December 31, 2000 to sign the International
Criminal Court Statute, but may still join the Court -an action with
the same legal obligations as ratifying a prior signature.
 Background on the International Criminal Court
After the devastation of World War II, the world put Nazi leaders
responsible on trial to demonstrate that ‘never again’ would such
blatant destruction of human life and dignity be permitted.
Unfortunately, in the succeeding fifty years, the world sustained
atrocity after atrocity without having recourse to any permanent,
global mechanism for the prevention or punishment of such crimes.
However, with the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC),
the aspiration of fulfilling the commitment to ‘never again’ has
finally become an enforceable reality.
The International Criminal Court will be a permanent court to
investigate and bring to justice individuals who commit the most
serious crimes – namely: genocide; war crimes; and crimes against
humanity. The ICC is meant to complement national legal structures,
and will act only when the national systems are either unwilling or
genuinely unable to proceed.
The treaty to establish the International Criminal Court was adopted
in Rome on July 17, 1998 by the affirmative vote of 120 countries at
the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the
Establishment of an International Criminal Court, or the “Rome
Conference.” Inspired by the Nuremberg trials, and the International
Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia, 160 countries
negotiated the treaty that designed the world’s first permanent
International Criminal Court to prevent perpetrators of the most
heinous crimes from eluding justice.
To date, 139 countries have signed and 38 countries have ratified the
Statute – the Court will enter into effect when 60 countries have
ratified (which is expected by mid-2002). Signatories encompass
countries from all regions of the globe, including major US allies:
all NATO members (except Turkey); all member-states of the European
Union; and three Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (France,
Russia, and the United Kingdom). The United States played a key role
in negotiating the original treaty – particularly regarding due
process and rights of the accused – but voted against the creation of
the Court, citing concerns that American servicemembers could be
subject to investigation or prosecution.  However, on December 31st
2000, the closing date for signature, president Clinton signed the ICC
treaty.
Cases will come before the International Criminal Court in one of
three ways: the United Nations Security Council may refer a situation
using its powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter regardless of
where or by whom the crime in question was committed; a situation may
be referred to the Prosecutor by a country that has ratified the Rome
Statute; or the Prosecutor may initiate an investigation on his or her
own (but may only pursue it with the approval of the Pre-Trial
Chamber). Furthermore, except in the case of a Security Council
referral, the ICC will only be able to exercise jurisdiction over
crimes committed by nationals or on the territory of countries that
have ratified the ICC.
The Assembly of States Parties is the governing body of the
International Criminal Court, and consists of all those countries that
have ratified the Rome Statute. The International Criminal Court will
be located in The Hague in the Netherlands. The Court will be composed
of four divisions: a Presidency; Pre-Trial, Trial, and Appeals
Divisions; the Office of the Prosecutor; and the Registry. There will
be 18 judges on the Court, serving in the various divisions, who will
be elected to the Court by the Assembly of States Parties for
nine-year, non-renewable terms. The Prosecutor will also be elected
for a nine-year, non-renewable term, and all Court personnel will
reflect the geographical and legal diversity of the member countries.
Since the Rome Conference, the UN’s General Assembly has held
Preparatory Commission (PrepCom) sessions to determine the mechanics
of the Court. On June 30, 2000, the PrepCom adopted the Rules of
Procedure and Evidence and the Elements of Crimes. At the PrepCom held
November 27 through December 8, 2000, the Assembly of States Parties
addressed the Relationship Agreement between the UN and the Court (the
Financial Regulations of the Court, the Agreement on Privileges and
Immunities, and definition for the crime of aggression). The General
Assembly has called for two PrepCom sessions in 2001, with the first
beginning in late February.
States had only until December 31, 2000 to sign the International
Criminal Court Statute, but may still join the Court -an action with
the same legal obligations as ratifying a prior signature.
 che da tempo si intende istituire. Mi auguro dunque che gli Stati
Uniti colgano l'occasione per recedere dalla posizione tenuta a questo
proposito, documentata da quanto segue.
Background on the Background on the International Criminal Court
After the devastation of World War II, the world put Nazi leaders
responsible on trial to demonstrate that ‘never again’ would such
blatant destruction of human life and dignity be permitted.
Unfortunately, in the succeeding fifty years, the world sustained
atrocity after atrocity without having recourse to any permanent,
global mechanism for the prevention or punishment of such crimes.
However, with the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC),
the aspiration of fulfilling the commitment to ‘never again’ has
finally become an enforceable reality.
The International Criminal Court will be a permanent court to
investigate and bring to justice individuals who commit the most
serious crimes – namely: genocide; war crimes; and crimes against
humanity. The ICC is meant to complement national legal structures,
and will act only when the national systems are either unwilling or
genuinely unable to proceed.
The treaty to establish the International Criminal Court was adopted
in Rome on July 17, 1998 by the affirmative vote of 120 countries at
the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the
Establishment of an International Criminal Court, or the “Rome
Conference.” Inspired by the Nuremberg trials, and the International
Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia, 160 countries
negotiated the treaty that designed the world’s first permanent
International Criminal Court to prevent perpetrators of the most
heinous crimes from eluding justice.
To date, 139 countries have signed and 38 countries have ratified the
Statute – the Court will enter into effect when 60 countries have
ratified (which is expected by mid-2002). Signatories encompass
countries from all regions of the globe, including major US allies:
all NATO members (except Turkey); all member-states of the European
Union; and three Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (France,
Russia, and the United Kingdom). The United States played a key role
in negotiating the original treaty – particularly regarding due
process and rights of the accused – but voted against the creation of
the Court, citing concerns that American servicemembers could be
subject to investigation or prosecution.  However, on December 31st
2000, the closing date for signature, president Clinton signed the ICC
treaty.
Cases will come before the International Criminal Court in one of
three ways: the United Nations Security Council may refer a situation
using its powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter regardless of
where or by whom the crime in question was committed; a situation may
be referred to the Prosecutor by a country that has ratified the Rome
Statute; or the Prosecutor may initiate an investigation on his or her
own (but may only pursue it with the approval of the Pre-Trial
Chamber). Furthermore, except in the case of a Security Council
referral, the ICC will only be able to exercise jurisdiction over
crimes committed by nationals or on the territory of countries that
have ratified the ICC.
The Assembly of States Parties is the governing body of the
International Criminal Court, and consists of all those countries that
have ratified the Rome Statute. The International Criminal Court will
be located in The Hague in the Netherlands. The Court will be composed
of four divisions: a Presidency; Pre-Trial, Trial, and Appeals
Divisions; the Office of the Prosecutor; and the Registry. There will
be 18 judges on the Court, serving in the various divisions, who will
be elected to the Court by the Assembly of States Parties for
nine-year, non-renewable terms. The Prosecutor will also be elected
for a nine-year, non-renewable term, and all Court personnel will
reflect the geographical and legal diversity of the member countries.
Since the Rome Conference, the UN’s General Assembly has held
Preparatory Commission (PrepCom) sessions to determine the mechanics
of the Court. On June 30, 2000, the PrepCom adopted the Rules of
Procedure and Evidence and the Elements of Crimes. At the PrepCom held
November 27 through December 8, 2000, the Assembly of States Parties
addressed the Relationship Agreement between the UN and the Court (the
Financial Regulations of the Court, the Agreement on Privileges and
Immunities, and definition for the crime of aggression). The General
Assembly has called for two PrepCom sessions in 2001, with the first
beginning in late February.
States had only until December 31, 2000 to sign the International
Criminal Court Statute, but may still join the Court -an action with
the same legal obligations as ratifying a prior signature.
After the devastation of World War II, the world put Nazi leaders
responsible on trial to demonstrate that ‘never again’ would such
blatant destruction of human life and dignity be permitted.
Unfortunately, in the succeeding fifty years, the world sustained
atrocity after atrocity without having recourse to any permanent,
global mechanism for the prevention or punishment of such crimes.
However, with the creation of the International Criminal Court (ICC),
the aspiration of fulfilling the commitment to ‘never again’ has
finally become an enforceable reality.
The International Criminal Court will be a permanent court to
investigate and bring to justice individuals who commit the most
serious crimes – namely: genocide; war crimes; and crimes against
humanity. The ICC is meant to complement national legal structures,
and will act only when the national systems are either unwilling or
genuinely unable to proceed.
The treaty to establish the International Criminal Court was adopted
in Rome on July 17, 1998 by the affirmative vote of 120 countries at
the United Nations Diplomatic Conference of Plenipotentiaries on the
Establishment of an International Criminal Court, or the “Rome
Conference.” Inspired by the Nuremberg trials, and the International
Criminal Tribunals for Rwanda and the Former Yugoslavia, 160 countries
negotiated the treaty that designed the world’s first permanent
International Criminal Court to prevent perpetrators of the most
heinous crimes from eluding justice.
To date, 139 countries have signed and 38 countries have ratified the
Statute – the Court will enter into effect when 60 countries have
ratified (which is expected by mid-2002). Signatories encompass
countries from all regions of the globe, including major US allies:
all NATO members (except Turkey); all member-states of the European
Union; and three Permanent Members of the UN Security Council (France,
Russia, and the United Kingdom). The United States played a key role
in negotiating the original treaty – particularly regarding due
process and rights of the accused – but voted against the creation of
the Court, citing concerns that American servicemembers could be
subject to investigation or prosecution.  However, on December 31st
2000, the closing date for signature, president Clinton signed the ICC
treaty.
Cases will come before the International Criminal Court in one of
three ways: the United Nations Security Council may refer a situation
using its powers under Chapter VII of the UN Charter regardless of
where or by whom the crime in question was committed; a situation may
be referred to the Prosecutor by a country that has ratified the Rome
Statute; or the Prosecutor may initiate an investigation on his or her
own (but may only pursue it with the approval of the Pre-Trial
Chamber). Furthermore, except in the case of a Security Council
referral, the ICC will only be able to exercise jurisdiction over
crimes committed by nationals or on the territory of countries that
have ratified the ICC.
The Assembly of States Parties is the governing body of the
International Criminal Court, and consists of all those countries that
have ratified the Rome Statute. The International Criminal Court will
be located in The Hague in the Netherlands. The Court will be composed
of four divisions: a Presidency; Pre-Trial, Trial, and Appeals
Divisions; the Office of the Prosecutor; and the Registry. There will
be 18 judges on the Court, serving in the various divisions, who will
be elected to the Court by the Assembly of States Parties for
nine-year, non-renewable terms. The Prosecutor will also be elected
for a nine-year, non-renewable term, and all Court personnel will
reflect the geographical and legal diversity of the member countries.
Since the Rome Conference, the UN’s General Assembly has held
Preparatory Commission (PrepCom) sessions to determine the mechanics
of the Court. On June 30, 2000, the PrepCom adopted the Rules of
Procedure and Evidence and the Elements of Crimes. At the PrepCom held
November 27 through December 8, 2000, the Assembly of States Parties
addressed the Relationship Agreement between the UN and the Court (the
Financial Regulations of the Court, the Agreement on Privileges and
Immunities, and definition for the crime of aggression). The General
Assembly has called for two PrepCom sessions in 2001, with the first
beginning in late February.
States had only until December 31, 2000 to sign the International
Criminal Court Statute, but may still join the Court -an action with
the same legal obligations as ratifying a prior signature.

"Mr.X" wrote:
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Premetto (nel caso da idiota che sei mi dovessi dare del filo-talebano) che io non darei la caccia solo a Bin
Laden ma anche agli amici che ha in Arabia Saudita (toh! alleata degli USA nella regione)  e in Pakistan  (toh!
un'alleata degli USA nella regione)..
Pensa se qualcuno dicesse : "Mr. X ha messo le bombe a Bologna e a piazza fontana! Le prove non posso darle per
non compromettere i miei informatori.. ma vi assicuro che ci sono."
Con questa scusa inizio a togliere dalla circolazione tutta la massa di imbecilli che postano nel ng ( e ce ne
sono : Gizeta, elemento, manetones, servosalame delupis...)

 Premetto (nel caso da idiota che sei mi dovessi dare del filo-talebano) che 
ecco qualcuno di cui non sentivo la mancanza.
Però solo un insulto, ti sei controllato.

"Mr.X" wrote:

la premessa era necessaria visto le dichiarazioni offensive del tuo capoccia.

...

??
Mio capoccia??
Col babbo non vivo più, non sono religioso, il mio superiore di
livello a lavoro non rompe il cazzo....boh.....
Bush??
Qualche volta difendo l'America ma non così da chiederne la
cittadinanza...
Mica starai parlando del Cavaliere??
Più che ripetere che non ho votato per la Cdl non posso e non ho
voglia di comperare una pagina del Corsera per pubblicare un: "Mr. X
non ha votato Forza Italia".....
Cerca di superare i tuoi schemi e vedrai l'oscurità diventare
penombra.....
Saluti

 penombra.....
con te come faro posso continuare a  stare tranquillo.

Scusate.... vedo che c'è un Mr.X?
E' forse un vecchio frequentatore del NG di qualche anno fa?
Se si, si ricorda di un tal "davide"?
Ciao


 
Tranquillo, la mia memoria è di lunga durata.....
La caduta di Cecchi Gori ti ha fatto uscire di senno?? (leggendo il nuovo nick...)
Ci sentiamo presto su altri canali!!
;-)