Newsgroup: it.cultura.religioni.cristiani
Titolo: [eng]elenco parziale ringraziamenti a pio XII

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Pius was praised by those who had actually been saved by his good
offices and by people who had clear evidence of such beneficial
actions by him. In 1945, the Chief Rabbi of Romania, Dr. Alexander
Safran, expressed the gratitude of the Jewish community for the
Vatican's help and support for prisoners in the concentration camps.
Grand Rabbi Isaac Herzog of Jerusalem sent a message to Msgr. Angelo
Roncalli (the future Pope John XXIII), expressing thanks for actions
taken by Pius XII and the Holy See on behalf of Jewish people. 
The National Jewish Welfare Board wrote to Pius: "From the bottom of
our hearts we send to you. Holy Father of the Church, the assurance of
our unforgetting gratitude for your noble expression of religious
brotherhood and love." 
Pinchas E. Lapide, the Israeli consul in Italy, wrote: "The Catholic
Church saved more Jewish lives during the war than all other churches,
religious institutions and rescue organizations put together. Its
record stands in startling contrast to the achievements of the
International Red Cross and the Western Democracies...." 
The Protestant publication, Christian Century, wrote about Pius, in an
editorial, that "it is to be regretted that no equally impressive
Church statesmanship, no equally commanding message, has as yet come
to this post-war world from any other authoritative body or
leadership." 
Said Indiana Congressman Samuel B. Pettengill: "I am far from being a
Roman Catholic, but it sometimes seems to me that the present Pope is
the most sane and sagacious leader on the stage of action at this
time." 
In 1947, King Gustav V of Sweden honored Pius XII with the annual
Prince Carl medal, given to the person who has done the most
outstanding work in the field of charity. The citation said it was for
his "tireless work in relieving the misery of the war victims." 
Maurice Edelman, President of the Anglo-Jewish Association, visited
Pius XII to thank him for his help. According to Edelman, papal
intervention "was responsible during the war for saving the lives of
tens of thousands of Jews." 
Later, a Holocaust ceremony was held in Rome to honor those who had
cared for Jewish children during the war. The President of the Union
of Italian Jewish Communities, offered his thanks and said: "This
manifestation would not be complete today if we would not renew our
thanks to the Supreme Pontiff for his paternal solicitude during the
entire Nazi occupation. He arranged for Jews to reside in the
extraterritorial buildings of the Vatican, endeavored to have the
harsh racial measures mitigated, sent entire Jewish families to
convents where priests and nuns, notwithstanding the danger, assisted
them." The crowd then gave the Pope a standing ovation. 
In 1955, when Italy celebrated the 10th anniversary of its liberation,
Italian Jewry proclaimed April 17 as "The Day of Gratitude." Thousands
of Jewish people went to the Vatican to express their thanks for the
Pope's wartime solicitude. The Israeli Philharmonic Orchestra even
gave a special performance of Beethoven's 9th symphony in the Papal
Consistory Hall as an expression of gratitude for the Catholic
Church's assistance in defying the Nazis. Before the celebration, a
delegation approached Archbishop Montini, the director of Vatican
rescue services who later became Pope Paul VI, to determine whether he
would accept an award for his work on behalf of Jews during the war.
He was extremely gratified and visibly touched by their words, but he
declined the honor: "All I did was my duty," he said. "And besides I
only acted upon orders from the Holy Father. Nobody deserves a medal
for that." Angelo Roncalli (the future Pope John XXIII), made a
similar statement when he was complemented for his efforts to save
Jewish lives: "In all these painful matters I have referred to the
Holy See and simply carried out the Pope's orders: first and foremost
to save Jewish lives." 
At the time of his death, there was an outpouring of thanks for Pius's
activity in World War II. Then Israeli representative to the United
Nations and future Prime Minister of Israel, Golda Meir, said on the
floor of the United Nations, "During the ten years of Nazi terror,
when our people went through the horrors of martyrdom, the Pope raised
his voice to condemn the persecutors and to commiserate with their
victims." Nahum Goldmann, President of the World Jewish Congress,
said: "With special gratitude we remember all he has done for the
persecuted Jews during one of the darkest periods of their entire
history." Rabbi Elio Toaff, who would later become Chief Rabbi of
Rome, said: "More than anyone else, we have had the opportunity to
appreciate the great kindness, filled with compassion and magnanimity,
that the Pope displayed during the terrible years of persecution and
terror, when it seemed that there was no hope left for us." 
In New York, virtually every major rabbi offered praise for Pius ("an
example for all religious leaders" and "man at his highest"). The
Anti-Defamation League, the Synagogue Council of America, the
Rabbinical Council of America, the American Jewish Congress, the New
York Board of Rabbis, the American Jewish Committee, the Central
Conference of American Rabbis, the National Conference of Christians
and Jews, and the National Council of Jewish Women expressed sorrow at
his passing and thanks for his good works. Israel sent an official
delegation to his funeral, and many people in Israel wrote to
newspapers suggesting that a forest in the Judean hills be established
in his name. 
In the face of Cornwell's mean-spirited vilification, it is
interesting to recall the Pope's "last will and testament" - a
document not intended for public viewing. There the Holy Father wrote:
"I am aware of the failures, of the sins, committed during so long a
pontificate and in so grave an epoch. Sufficient it is that my remains
should be laid simply in a sacred place-the more obscure the better."
He was laid to rest in the Sacred Grotto beneath the basilica, close
to the tomb of St. Peter, near most of the 261 Popes who had preceded
him. 

 Non hanno studiato i profeti dell'hinterland milanese?
Apriamoli 'sti archivi. Vediamo se ha ragione Costa-Gavras o te,
illuminato fratello.
Ci manca solo che qualcuno ringrazi gli Alleati per non aver
bombardato i Lager, che senò quanti poveri ebrei ci lasciavano
le penne. E invece.
Anto
--
Pour adorer longtemps un théorème, la foi
ne suffit pas, il faut encore une police

 FB
Anche Eichmann, e Mengele, e mezza popolazione di San Carlos di Bariloche
ringraziano sentitamente.
th.


wrote:
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permettetemi di esprimere il mio disaccordo.
Che si basa solo su qs. assunto:
Inutile chiedere ad una persona che ha un certo modo/passato/ambiente
e tutto quanto fatto in un certo modo di comportarsi in modo
scisso/avulso/del tutto scollegato/incoerente cone quello che 'e'..
Certo puo' succedere il miracolo.. ma e' altra cosa.
In fondo, se ci pensate bene, sotto c'e' una antinomia una
contraddizione che vive tuttoggi! che quasi tutti NON ci facciamo 
manco presente alla 'coscienza':
COME va vissuto l'annuncio cristiano? e quindi:
COME deve essere la Chiesa??
Esiste una risposta che chiede la coerenza innanzitutto.
Dai beni 'supeflui' fino all'uso del tempo, della carita'.. di TUTTO.
Opinione corrente e' che e' cosa buona e salutare da relegare ai
Santi. Full stop. Quindi non riguarda noi.
E qui si parla solo di coerenza, non ancora di sacrificio!
di dare la propria vita, come diceva, chissa xche', Lui.
Lo stesso per la nostra Chiesa.
In un sogno di una notte di mezza estate io la vedo
povera e scalza, dedita alle Persone e NON alle cose,
testimone in prima persona piu' che vox declamans
anzi semper et super et ubiter declamans
a chi?
a se stessa.
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Quindi:
IL vero problema non sta in PIO tal dei tali.
Sta innanzitutto in noi.
e di conseguenza, quando èptremo scaglaire il nostro sasso..
nel modo d'essere della nostra Chiesa.
Qui.
Adesso.
NON mezzo secolo fa.
ORA.
pit

 scisso/avulso/del tutto scollegato/incoerente cone quello che 'e'..
Vuoi dire che se uno nella vita ha fatto sempre il principe/diplomatico....
th.

 Vuoi dire che se uno nella vita ha fatto sempre il
principe/diplomatico....
tipo G 23°?

Vuoi dire che se uno nella vita ha fatto sempre il principe/diplomatico....
te lo potrei dire in altra maniera.
Saggio dividere le cose che vuoi fare in 3 categorie:
1) nulla osta a farle.
2) Ok, ma a certe condizioni
3) mission impossible.
Inutile dedicarsi alle ultime.
oppure in qs. altro modo:
Natura non facit saltus.
Nello specifico da un Papato che nei secoli dei secoli si e' (dovuto)
barcamanare tra Imperatori che volevano fare i Papi e Vescovi gli
imperatori, un Papato che ha dedicato alle cure TEMPORALI buona parte
del suo tempo e risorse... non puoi chiedere che improvvisamente
affronti un probl (nello specifico Hitler) da vero PROFETA.
IMO capire tutto questo, prendere atto delle conizioni da cui si
parte.. e' fondamentale x qualsiasi crociato e/o criceto che sia.
pit BUM

 Vuoi dire che se uno nella vita ha fatto sempre il
principe/diplomatico....
No.
Voleva dire che uno cosě avvezzo alla murmure critica da divenire il
compulsivo revisore censorio di tutte le iniziative provenienti da una certa
parte, diviene incapace di distinguere le azioni sagge da quelle
pericolosamente inutili.
ciao
max
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