Newsgroup: it.cultura.religioni.cristiani
Titolo: Che senso ??

Ma ha senso accettare acquiscenti tali rappresentanti politici ?
Credevo dovessero avere almeno una qualche qualità...
T.Moro per uno scrupolo andò consapevolmente sul patibolo illuminando la 
storia; noi abbiamo Mastella (buon cattolico si autodefinisce) che illumina 
il Sud autorizzando i suoi pari a by-passare i contatori Enel (3 ML di 
utenti). No dico va mo là, è questo il futuro virtuoso ?
pm 

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beh, in molti auspicano ai politici italiani di illuminare la storia come
Tommaso Moro.
y

 storia;
beh, diciamo pure che T. Moro, prima di salire sul patibolo per farsi 
decapitare,  la storia l'ha illuminata contribuendo a mandare al rogo 
William Tyndale perché aveva tradotto la Bibbia in inglese... 

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dì giuro!?!
y

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Ne sei sicuro ? Eventualmente spiega meglio
Non penso sia stato lui direttamente perchè aveva troppa considerazione per 
la vita 

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beh, qui c'è un link sulla controversia
http://www.williamtyndale.com/0sirthomasmore.htm
in cui si legge tra l'altro
The Confutation of Tyndale, in which he repeats and intensifies his attacks, 
advocates the burning of Tyndale's books, and prophesies that Tyndale will 
burn in hell for his sins. He also supported the burning of heretics such as 
Tyndale:
"and for heretics, as they be, the clergy doth denounce them; and, as they 
be well worthy, the temporality doth burn them; and after the fire of 
Smithfield hell doth receive them, where the wretches burn forever."
poi c'è questo, al link
http://www.luminarium.org/renlit/wood.htm
      As Lord Chancellor, which he became in October 1529, More, though a 
layman, was soon the church's most eager agent. With the help of John 
Stokesley, the Bishop of London, More personally broke into the houses of 
suspected heretics, arresting them on the spot and sometimes interrogating 
them in his own home. He imprisoned one man in the porter's lodge of his 
house, and had him put in the stocks. He raided the home of a businessman 
called John Petyt, who was suspected of financing Tyndale; Petyt died in the 
Tower. Six rebellious Oxford students were kept for months in a fish cellar; 
three of them died in prison. More was now a spiritual detective, a 
policeman in a hair shirt, engaged in "what would now be called surveillance 
and entrapment among the leather-sellers, tailors, fishmongers and drapers 
of London." Six protesters were burned under More's chancellorship, and 
perhaps forty were imprisoned. Ackroyd is admirably detailed about these 
activities. But he resides in the sympathetic assumption that "it might be 
argued that his severe stance was a reaction to the menaces of the period," 
and so he barely examines the compromised intellectual foundations of More's 
defense, and too often treats the anti-heretical tracts as just the grapes 
of heady sixteenth-century rhetoric.
e anche questo:
http://www.thirdmill.org/files/english/html/ch/CH.h.Grisham.Tyndale.2.html
In this entire argument over words, More was defending against what he saw 
as Tyndale's malicious attack on the very integrity of the Church. More, and 
Tunstall as well, were dead set against allowing such "poison," as they 
referred to Lutheran doctrines, to infect their flock. In defense of his 
position, More was prepared to do what he must to destroy Tyndale, who, he 
perceived, would otherwise destroy the Church.
Tyndale's answer to More was simple and powerful. In a letter written to 
John Frith, Tyndale said with regard to all these charges of malicious 
intent and false translation,
  "I calle God to record agaynst the day we shall apere before our lorde 
Iesus to geue a reconynge of our doynges, that I never altered one sillable 
of goddes worde, agaynst my conscyence nor wolde do this daye, yf all that 
ys in yerth, whether yt be honour, pleasure or rychis, mighte be geuen me."15
More's answer was to call Tyndale "a beast," one of the "hell hounds that 
the devil hath in his kennel," discharging a "filthy foam of blasphemies out 
of his brutish beastly mouth," "a deceiver," "a hypocrite," "puffed up with 
the poison of pride, malice, and envy." To say the least, Tyndale's breaking 
of the 1408 ban on unauthorized English language translations had angered 
the Church establishment, and the Catholic authorities began to seek every 
opportunity they could to take Tyndale into custody, try him as an heretic, 
and hand him over to the secular authority for execution.

 William Tyndale perché aveva tradotto la Bibbia in inglese...
Mi crolla un mito ;-(
Se rifarò vedere il film a scuola, credo che dovrò integrarlo con
con una stagione in piu' ;-)
Comunque prima di Th. More si parla di Innocenzo VIII et filii
e di Rodrigo Borgia et filii e di Julio2 et cetera.
E' sempre educativo l'aforisma
"La verità non ha paura della verità"?
Bye
a.c.