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"CHRISTIAN UNIVERSALISM"
 in America -oggi- c/o i Pentecostali
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BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON'S
HERETICAL TEACHING KNOWN AS
"THE GOSPEL OF INCLUSION"
  Learn more about this heresy.  
The article below is from Carlton Pearson's website:  HigherD.org
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 WORDS FROM THE BISHOP . . . 
Jesus: The Savior of the World
(The Gospel of Inclusion ) 
 
 
by Bishop Carlton D. Pearson 
 
The 16th century cleric, John Milton, said, "Where there is much
desire to learn, there of necessity will be much arguing, much
writing, and many opinions; for opinion in good men is but
"knowledge" in the making."
Thomas Watson the 15th century philosopher said: "Whoever fears to
submit any question to the test of free discussion, loves his own
opinion more than the truth." A crisis in truth (accuracy), is a
crisis in trust; a crisis in trust, is a crisis in peace; and a
crisis in peace, is an interruption and violation of a God-given
right to believers and, in fact, to "all men," as stated in Luke
2:14, "Glory to God in the highest and on earth peace to men on whom
His favor rests."
J. Drummond, who lived during the years, fears and tears of the Civil
War and the subsequent Emancipation Proclamation said, "He who will
not reason is a bigot, he who cannot reason is a fool, and he who
does not reason is a slave." 
Oswald Chambers said, God never contradicts reason, He transcends
it."
I would now like to submit for your observation and study, a teaching
that has been referred to by some as the "Gospel of Inclusionism."
This doctrine has caused some question and controversy among those
who don't understand my motives for teaching it or who, for
theological reasons, disagree or simply find fault in it and consider
it heresy. So-called false doctrine does not necessarily make a
person a heretic, but an evil heart or attitude can make any doctrine
heretical. We intend here to both answer questions and go a little
further and question some of the answers our traditions have assumed
over the years.
I should like to say before you read any further that you will read
nothing that undermines the powerful work of the cross, the deity of
Christ, and His substitutional death or the shedding of His precious
blood. You will read nothing that challenges the fact of Jesus'
virgin birth, that He died on the cross for the sins of the world,
that he was buried and rose again and is presently seated at the
right hand of the throne of God where He ever intercedes for the
saints and will ultimately return to receive into Heaven the fruits
of His finished work at Calvary demonstrated by His unconditional
Love and Grace.
The Apostle Paul, whose teachings were the first to be referred to as
heresies in Acts 24:14, was the first to teach the message of
universal reconciliation, as he tried to convince Jews and Jewish
Christians that the Gospel was inclusive of all of Humankind and not
confined to a so-called "faithful few." Let's read his 2000-year-old
words:
Romans 5:12 -21: "Therefore, just as sin entered the world through
one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all
men, because all sinned-for before the law was given, sin was in the
world. But sin is not taken into account when there is no law.
Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of
Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did
Adam, who was a pattern of the one to come.
"But the gift is not like the trespass. For if the many died by the
trespass of the one man, how much more did God's grace and the gift
that came by the grace of the one man, Jesus Christ, overflow to the
many! Again, the gift of God is not like the result of the one man's
sin: The judgment followed one sin and brought condemnation, but the
gift followed many trespasses and brought justification. For if, by
the trespass of the one man, death reigned through that one man, how
much more will those who receive God's abundant provision of grace
and of the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man,
Jesus Christ. Consequently, just as the result of one trespass was
condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of
righteousness was justification that brings life for all men. For
just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made
sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will
be made righteous. The law was added so that the trespass might
increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so
that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through
righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."
Let me say from the outset, that I believe and preach with all my
heart, the power and appropriateness of being Born Again, which I
experienced personally over 40 years ago as a five-year-old child. It
was and is, without comparison, the most real and precious experience
of my entire life. Jesus Christ is not only my Savior and Lord, but
He is also my Baptizer in the Holy Spirit. I am not simply justified,
that which Christ accomplished for the entire world some 2000 years
ago as stated in Romans 5:6-10: "You see, at just the right time,
when we were still powerless, Christ died for the ungodly. Very
rarely will anyone die for a righteous man, though for a good man
someone might possibly dare to die. But God demonstrates his own love
for us in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.
Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more shall we
be saved from God's wrath through him! For if, when we were God's
enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how
much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his
life!" 
But as a Born-Again Believer, I am "sanctified," which is to be "set
apart to and for special service, ranking and relationship both with
and to The Lord Jesus Christ, according to 1 Cor. 1:2, "To the Church
of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to
be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the name of
our Lord Jesus Christ-their Lord and ours."
To simplify some of what is in my heart and my head regarding heaven,
hell and judgment with regard to a person's rejecting or accepting
Jesus Christ as Savior 'of' the world, not just 'for' the world; I
should like to present the following to you in way of brief
explanation and clarification.
A careful study of early church history will show that the doctrine
of universal restoration was the prevailing doctrine of the Primitive
Christian Church. The so-called "Doctrine of Inclusionism" or as some
call it, the 'Theory of Universal Reconciliation' maintains that
Christ's crucifixion and death on Calvary accomplished its purpose of
reconciling all mankind to God. The death of Christ made it possible
for God to accept sinful man, and that he has, in fact, done so.
Consequently, whatever separation there is between man and the
benefits of God's grace is subjective in nature and exists only in
man's mind and unregenerate spirit. The message man needs to hear
then, is not that he simply has a suggested opportunity for
salvation, but that through Christ he has, in fact, already been
redeemed to God and that he may enjoy the blessings that are already
his through Christ.
This position is based on 2 Cor. 5:18-19, "All this is from God, who
reconciled us to Himself through Christ and has given us the ministry
of reconciliation: that God was reconciling the world (not just
Christians) to himself, in Christ, not counting men's sins against
them and has given us the message of reconciliation."
People's first question usually is, but what if they reject Jesus? My
posture and position is that far fewer persons would be inclined to
reject Jesus were He presented closer to how He presented Himself as
He walked among men on planet earth. He was a magnet for sinners, as
they were drawn to Him by His Love, as seen in Luke 15:1-7, "Now the
tax collectors and "sinners" were all gathering around to hear him.
But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law muttered, 'This man
welcomes sinners and eats with them. Then Jesus told them this
parable. "Suppose one of you has one hundred sheep and loses one of
them. Does he not leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go
after the lost sheep until he finds it? And when he finds it, he
joyfully puts it on his shoulders and goes home. Then he calls his
friends and neighbors together and says, 'Rejoice with me; I have
found my lost sheep.' I tell you that in the same way there will be
more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over
ninety-nine righteous who do not need to repent."
Notice, Jesus said the Shepherd had to literally pick the lost sheep
up and hoist it onto his shoulders and carry it home. Many lost sheep
won't respond simply to our voice or call regardless of how elegant
it sounds or is presented. Some of them need to be picked up and
carried back to the fold. It is my objective to simply re-present
Jesus in a softer and more loving way, being less excluding and more
'inclusive' in His love, tolerance, acceptance, and glorious promise
to all.
The word Pharisee in the original Hebrew and Greek means,
"separatist," and it comes from the Hebrew word 'parash' which is a
primitive root meaning 'to separate, literally (to disperse) or
figuratively (to specify); also by implication to wound, scatter,
distinguish or even to sting. We can be sure Jesus was not a
Pharisee, as Judas had to kiss him to even identify him from those
around him in the Garden of Gethsemane.
Pharisees were separatists, and I am accused of being an
inclusionist. I wear the badge proudly.
If we believe God loves all of mankind and plans to save them, then
we have no excuse but to do the same. However, if we believe God will
ultimately cast most of mankind away, (basically, what most of us
evangelicals have been taught), we begin to manifest that same spirit
here on earth. As such, it becomes much easier to dismiss the
unregenerate masses to hell fire and judgment simply because we
believe that is heaven's basic posture and disposition, as the
following scriptures are interpreted by some to indicate: 1 Peter
4:18, "And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the
ungodly and the sinner appear?" and Matthew 7:14, "--but small is the
gate and narrow the road that leads to life and only a few find it." 
The human mind has an amazing faculty for rejecting what it doesn't
wish to see. I think we can sometimes know so much that we become
uncomfortable or even afraid to know any more. Over and over again,
we have heard the message of the Gospel. We know the glory of
accepting and the tragedy of rejecting it, but still many of us
remain as far off as ever from giving it our full allegiance and
molding our lives to fit it. People still accept the parts of the
Bible which they like and which appeal most to them and refuse to
understand the rest.
Though I strongly believe in the scriptural basis of the message of
judgment and some kind of expression of hell, of late, in an attempt
to inspire my own congregation to a greater sense of evangelism, I've
been encouraging them to begin to emphasize more of the James 2:13
admonition that "mercy will triumph over judgment." Ultimately, God's
answer to hell is Calvary-that's the Good News.
*Here's a quote from the book entitled, "The Authority of The
Believer", by Kenneth E. Hagin, Sr. I think it capitulates my
theology to some degree.
 
  *While I do not seek to imply that RHEMA Bible Church or Kenneth
Hagin Ministries endorse or agree with this teaching, I respect their
heart to reach the world with the message of the gospel; thus, I make
reference to Brother Hagin's statements from his book, "The Authority
of the Believer" to further illustrate my point.   
And I quote:
 
  "Did you ever stop and think about it; salvation belongs to the
sinner. Jesus
already has bought the salvation of the worst sinner, just as he did
for us. That's the reason he told us to go tell the sinner the Good
News; go tell sinners they have been reconciled to God. But we never
really told them that. We've told them God's mad at them and that
He's counting up everything they've done wrong. Yet, the Bible says
God isn't holding anything against the sinner! God says he's canceled
it out."
"That's what is so awful: the poor sinner, not knowing this will have
to go to hell, even though his debts have been canceled! Second
Corinthians 5:19 will tell that."
 
(If the sinner's debt is canceled, do you think it reasonable to
assume that they are still going to hell? Would that be Christ-like
or fair? I'll say more about this later.) 
Dad Hagin goes on to say:
  "There is no sin problem, there is a sinner problem. Get the sinner
to Jesus, and that cures the problem. Yes, that's a little different
from what people have been taught, but it's what the Bible says. The
sinner doesn't know what belongs to him, so it won't do him any
good--." End of quote from "The Authority of the Believer". 
With all due respect to Dad Hagin, he says, "get the sinner to Jesus,
and that will cure the problem." I believe that, but what I'm trying
to say is this: Get Jesus to the sinner, and that will cure the
problem. In actuality, as Dad Hagin has said in his book, Jesus has
already done His part in forgiving, redeeming and reconciling the
sinner, they just don't know it and it is our job and calling to get
the Good News to them.
The last part of the quote says, "The sinner doesn't know what
belongs to him so it won't do him any good." I agree, it won't do him
any good as it pertains to his overall quality of life here on earth;
but the sinner's ignorance does not necessarily cancel the potency
and ultimate effectiveness of Christ's finished work at Calvary. It
is stated in Romans 3:3, "What if some did not have faith (believe or
know)? Will their lack of faith nullify God's faithfulness? Not at
all! Let God be true and every man a liar." 2 Timothy 2:13 says, "If
we are faithless, he will remain faithful, for he cannot disown
himself." I realize the reference here is to unbelieving Jews, but I
believe the principle applies as well to others who don't know,
understand, or believe.
It may appear to us that when a person seems not to respond to a
particular altar call or doesn't seem to accept Christ as or when we
offer Him does not necessarily signify that they have rejected Him
outright, though it feels to us like they have. 
If you look at it another way, it may only be possible for believers
to actually reject Jesus. How can you reject something you've never
realized or actualized? How can you reject something that is not real
to you? 
In one sense, it may be almost impossible to reject something or
someone you don't believe in or have never personally experienced.
You can't, in reality, reject a thing unless you believe the thing
exists, or have in some tangible or meaningful way experienced it and
then choose not to accept it. In Hebrews 11:6, it says, "anyone who
comes to God must believe that He exists--" It states in John 6:44,
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him." 
Once a person has been drawn by the Father he must then make a
decision whether or not to accept or reject Him. This seems to be
supported, at least theoretically, in Hebrews 6:4-8, "It is
impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted
the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who have
tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming
age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to
their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and
subjecting him to public disgrace. Land that drinks in the rain often
falling on it and that produces a crop useful to those for whom it is
farmed receives the blessing of God. But land that produces thorns
and thistles is worthless and is in danger of being cursed. In the
end, it will be burned." and in Hebrews 10:26-31, "If we deliberately
keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no
sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and or raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the
testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you
think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God
under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the
covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of
grace? For we know him who said, 'It is mine to avenge; I will
repay,' and again, 'The Lord will judge his people.' It is a dreadful
thing to fall into the hands of the Living God."
Jesus justified the world and sanctified His Church, 1 Cor. 1:2, "To
the Church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and
called to be holy, together with all those everywhere who call on the
name of our Lord Jesus Christ-their Lord and ours." The sanctified
church has the burden, calling, and responsibility to get the
marvelous news of the redemption and justification of all to the
unknowing, and unbelieving world. Again, if the love message is
emphasized over judgment, wrath and hell, more people of all races,
colors, cultures, and creeds would gladly come to Jesus just as He
has come to them.
The Gospel is not so much what we must do to accept Christ, but what
Christ has done in order that God may accept us. It's not us giving
our lives to Him, it's that He gave His life, Himself, for us. The
bible says in Romans 5:8, "But God demonstrates his own love for us
in this: While we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
Somehow over the years we have gradually taken the beauty,
responsibility and, thus, the glory of the wonderful gift of
salvation away from Christ and put it almost entirely upon weak,
frail, and deceived humanity. My teaching in effect, gives it back to
God in Christ who is the "Author and Finisher" of our faith.
Zacchaeus had to climb a tree (talk about going out on limb) in order
to see Jesus because the crowd around him made it difficult, if not
impossible, to recognize or identify him. It's obvious that Zacchaeus
believed in Jesus--he just couldn't distinguish or recognize him amid
and among the crowd. We evangelical Christians may have made it
difficult today or even more difficult to identify Jesus, as we have
over the centuries crowded him beyond clear identification with all
our religious ideas, denominations, sects, and the list goes on.
Our human efforts of futility to be near and clear about Jesus, as
His legacy has traveled over the centuries, has obscured the purity
and integrity of the present gospel message. It is time again that we
reinvestigate the finished work of Christ and its powerful
appointment to redeem the world to God. "So is my word that goes out
from my mouth: It will not return to me empty but will accomplish
what I desire and achieve the purpose to which I sent it." Isaiah
55:11.
Additional scriptures supporting my newer emphasis on the New
Testament/Covenant premise of Grace and Love are: 1 Tim. 4:9-10,
"This is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance (and for
this we labor and strive), that we have put our hope in the living
God, who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who
believe," 1 John 2:2, "He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and
not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world," Romans
5:9-19, "Since we have now been justified by his blood, how much more
shall we be saved from God's wrath through him!" and a host of
others-all of which will be included in the book I plan to release
before the end of Summer 2002.
Plato said, "You can understand why a child is afraid of the dark but
it is a tragedy when adults are afraid of the light." 
There has been some contention about this message, but what does it
matter? I must say what Paul says in Phil. 1:15-18, "It is true some
preach Christ out of envy and rivalry, but others out of goodwill.
The former preach Christ out of selfish ambition, not sincerely,
supposing that they can stir up trouble for me while I am in chains.
But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way,
whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because
of this I rejoice."
I refer you to Paul's words in 2 Cor. 5: 12-21, especially verses
13-16, "We are not trying to commend ourselves to you again, but are
giving you an opportunity to take pride in us, so that you can answer
those who take pride in what is seen rather than in what is in the
heart. If we are out of our mind, it is for the sake of God; if we
are in our right mind, it is for you. For Christ's love compels us,
because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all
died. And he died for all, that those who live should no longer live
for themselves but for him who died for them and was raised again.
"So from now on we regard no one from a worldly point of view. Though
we once regarded Christ in this way, we do so no longer. Therefore,
if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the
new has come! All this is from God, who reconciled us to himself
through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation: that God
was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's
sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of
reconciliation. We are therefore Christ's ambassadors, as though God
were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ's behalf:
Be reconciled to God. God made him who had no sin to be sin for us,
so that in him we might become the righteousness of God."
If I'm crazy, beside myself, or out of my mind, it is for God;
however, if I'm thinking accurately, uncountable souls will be both
blessed and brought into a Kingdom consciousness of the living
Christ.
 
 
 

 ha scritto nel
messaggio
Non che sul newsgroup ci sia un limite di spazio e di messaggi pubblicabili,
ma vorrei sapere chi tra gli utenti ha letto per intero questo post di 23 kb
in inglese.
Credo che nemmeno Pietro l'abbia letto interamente.

ma vorrei sapere chi tra gli utenti ha letto per intero questo post di 23 kb
sicura,mente qualche pentecostale e Melejack, 
la coscienza pulita di ICRC
PPPPPPPPPPP
it

 Credo che nemmeno Pietro l'abbia letto interamente.
Mai dire mai.
Ciao
Claudio

 Credo che nemmeno Pietro l'abbia letto interamente.
Io non parlo inglese, però ho provato a leggerlo per circa un 10
secondi.
vale?
Sebastiano

 la coscienza pulita di ICRC
yawn |-O
Buona domenica
Meleyak

secondi.
visto che nessun inglesista si e' fatto avanti, me lo sono letto...
((notevoli le citazioni iniziali!!))
Cosa ho capito?
BISHOP CARLTON PEARSON in estrema sintesi sostiene che
Gesu' con la sua Croce ha redento il MONDO.
((guardacaso ci ritroviamo con lo stesso identico tema discusso
qui intorno..^--^))
MONDO= tutti, non solo i cristiani (=inclusione)
REDENTO= gia' fatto, quindi non c'e' bisogno di altro:
Basta 'conoscere' Gesu' ed il gioco della salvezza e' COMPIUTO.
Quindi sta a noi FAR conoscere Gesu', far scoprire il suo divino
Volto : automaticamente tutti saranno salvi.
pit BUM
no comment
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 visto che nessun inglesista si e' fatto avanti, me lo sono letto...
Propongo Buttiglione fuori dalla white list.
Non legge nemmeno i messaggi che posta.
:-)

 Non legge nemmeno i messaggi che posta.
Chi ti ha detto che Buttiglione sarebbe in white list? :-)
-- 
Luca Logi - Firenze - Italy        e-mail: 
ll...@dada.it

Sai, la gente è matta, forse è troppo insoddisfatta; segue il mondo
ciecamente. Sebastiano  che è diverso, almeno lui nell'universo, dice:
# > Credo che nemmeno Pietro l'abbia letto interamente.
Grave. Almeno Paolo di Tarso?
--
"Lorsque l'on voit les flammes dévorer les édifices et les mosquées de Bagdad 
jusqu'à brûler les enfants et les personnes, écrire de façon analytique et rationalité 
signifie être complice" Jerusalem Arabe, quotidien

 Chi ti ha detto che Buttiglione sarebbe in white list? :-)
bho. lo vedo scritto a caratteri neri su sfondo bianco.
Ma bianco bianco
a parte, ovvio, dove mia nipote ha messo le dita sul monitor, ma
questo è un altro discorso.
Sebastiano

 questo č un altro discorso.
A parte le battute, capita *molto* frequentemente che un messaggio abbia
qualche imperfezione formale (che so, righe piů lunghe di 79 caratteri),
per cui il robomoderatore (che č il filtro automatico che opera la
selezione dei messaggi) lo invii per la moderazione anche se il suo
autore č in white list. Se qualche volta i messaggi appaiono con un
certo ritardo, questa puň essere una spiegazione.
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On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 21:45:09 +0100, Pietro Buttiglione 
posto' un msg in cui in ambiente protestante un loro <teologo> veniva
accusato di eresia.
Mi sono reso conto dal solito scambio alla Bramieri che non si
e' colto il senso del mio post e quindi mi tocca esporlo.
Normalmente noi Cattolici veniamo accusati di essere
QUELLI del DOGMA....
In parallelo saremmo ancora una volta solo noi a
combattere le <eresie> o cmq a indicarle...
Invece anche in ambito protestante _da qs.post_
ci sono cose che vengono tacciate di <eresia>
e quindi NON e' vero che uno puo' sostenere
QUALSIASI sua teoria.
tutto qui
pit bum
PS faccio anche notare x converso che una conseguenza di cio'
e' la speranza di trovare un giorno anche coi fratelli protestanti
un <nocciolo duro> comune.