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Titolo: [TROLL]Jesus Christ, Star Wars, and J.R.R Tolkien.

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Subject: Jesus Christ, Star Wars, and J.R.R Tolkien.
From: 
byron...@yahoo.com
 (DanGunn)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.christianity,alt.fan.starwars,alt.fan.tolkien
My pastor suggested I get things off my chest regarding some of the 
problems in my life, so I wrote this article appeared for The Tacoma 
Presbyterian Flyer. A fellow church member suggested I post it on the 
Internet, I hope people on the Internet get as much out of it as the 
people from my church did: 
We live in heretical times.  Gone are the peaceful biblical days when 
you could trust your neighbors and closest friends not to betray you.  
Today, in our time, a father is not even allowed to physically punish 
his daughter for sleeping with another man out of wedlock. Sin is 
allowed to go unpunished. These same daughters, allowed to run free 
without fear of their fathers clenched fist, move quickly into darker 
pursuits.  To Hollywood, where they pose for revolting magazines that 
depict their most private parts for any pervert across America with 
$7.99 to spare, and ten minutes to sin.  I think that America has lost 
its way. The youth of today have forgotten to look to the Good Book for
answers, and refuse to embrace traditional family values of patriarchy. 
However, all of these personal problems aside, I am optimistic about the
future of America's Christian spirituality. Both, Star Wars and The Lord
of the Rings have given me hope for the future re-embracement of
Christianity in America. 
Star Wars, premiered in 1979, with sequels and prequels to follow, and 
is surely the basis for the recent movie and book, The Lord of the Rings
by JRR Tolkien.  Both stories star Christ-like figures in Luke Skywalker
and Frodo Baggins.  Both are people who appear normal, who we soon
discover are special, designed by a higher power to lead us along the
right path. In LOTR there is a ring of immense and dangerous power. This
ring derives its power from the evil of mankind, and needs a great
person to destroy it.  Frodo Baggins is "the chosen one", forced to cast
the ring into Mount Doom and save humanity. After being betrayed by all 
his friends, Frodo must carry the burden himself, and in the end against
all odds, succeeds in his quest.  However, his sacrifice eventually
destroys him, and he dies for the ring's destruction. The Christian
beliefs inherent in the story are obvious.  Jesus was betrayed by his
disciples, just as Frodo is.  In a parallel with the burden of his ring,
Jesus must carry his own cross for his crucifixion, with the "burden of
mankind" upon his back.  Once he has carried the cross long enough,
Jesus is crucified upon it; like the journey to dispose of the ring,
Frodo and Jesus both die for the "sins of man". 
In Star Wars, Luke Skywalker must fight the temptations from the "dark 
side" in order to save humanity from the clutches of the Emperor, Dark 
Vader, and evil monsters like Java the Hutt.  Vader wants to turn Luke's
power to the dark side, by tempting him to unleash his anger and hate. 
Luke almost fails, marked by his robotic hand that mirrors Dark Vader's
own machine like, unnatural, and therefore un-Godly body. 
 In the final showdown against evil, Luke rejects the dark side, 
prompting even the coldest of hearts in Vader to warm to the virtues of
good and purity.    Again, the parallels with Christian teaching are
apparent.  Jesus too was tempted by evil, but rejected it, choosing the
right path, even though it meant for a difficult conclusion.  The
Christian belief that salvation is always possible is evident in the
spiritual saving of Vader; a Hilterian character. Jesus, forgave the
criminals being crucified beside him on the cross.  
They like Vader, were assured to be going to heaven, even though their 
lives had been spotted by evil ways. As long as you repent, you are 
saved, truths that the Bible and Star Wars both convey.  Once Luke has 
become a Jedi, and is one with the "Force", or Christianity, his love 
for Leia, which is initially sexual, abates into a true brotherly love. 
If young people of today embraced the true path with Christian teaching,
their sexual behavior would be correctly modified as Luke's was, and
become pure in nature.  They would surely listen to their father's
orders to never have premarital sex or orgies.  In the Phantom Menace
surely the best Star Wars movie of them all, a lesson in traditional
family values is presented  A young Dark Vader:Anikan Skywalker, is
brought up by a single mother.  This innocent child, unable to develop
adequate family values without a father, turns to the "dark side" to
solve his problems.  This rise and fall of Anikan mirrors the Biblical
recording of Lucifer and his long fall from Grace to Hell. In today's
world, children of single mothers, "fall from Grace", and move to the
"dark side" by using drugs, cursing, making pornography in the garage,
and engaging in interracial dating and sex. 
 
But wait you say, didn't I say I was an optimist?  Yes I am, because 
these values have survived to today, and are currently laying dormant in
stories such as LOTR and Star Wars. Obviously these works of art have
borrowed from Christian truths which Lucas has deftly rewritten into
something the heritical mainstream can embrace without acknowledging
them as religious in nature. The main demographic that enjoys these
movies are often described as being "nerds", or "dorks" who run websites
like Slashdot.  These "nerds" are highly educated people, who have been
brainwashed by a liberal arts education into thinking that Christianity
is a farce. However, the fact that these people enjoy movies and books
that obviously reinforce and uphold Christian values, means that their 
need for religious values still exist.  They have been taught that 
religion is fake, but deep down they need to believe in something, and
latch onto these works to placate the void in their hearts that a
liberal arts education has created. I am convinced that if these values
can still exist, Christianity will make a glorious comeback. As the 
current values of sexual freedom and female power turn back on their 
creators, as we have seen with AIDS and feminism, Christianity will be 
there for people to re-embrace.  Since the values of Christianity have 
been preserved in popular culture, the transition will be smooth and 
peaceful.  Any dissenters could be easily suppressed by new 
pro-Christian laws that a Republican controlled Congress could easily 
enact.  Christian's must remember this come election time; we must vote
for the future of America and the morally corrupt sons and daughters
everywhere, especially for those somewhere in Hollywood. The fact that
in LOTR, Star Wars, and the Bible good pervades over evil, lifts my
heart in these personally dark times, and gives me a renewed hope for
the future of Christianity of America.  The current fever over Attack of
the Clones proves my point; people are desperate for a morality lecture,
eventually Christianity will be reinstated as the teacher, and no doubt
help make the world a better place. 
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Soronel l'Araldo, Ordinario di Robotica (Pol.Imladris)
IFScT#49, STI#157, Scribano
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 you could trust your neighbors and closest friends not to betray you.
Considerando la quantita' di tradimenti, omicidi e guerre che c'e' nella
Bibbia, direi che l'articolo si riassume in questo inizio ^_^

Il 19 giu 2002 22:51:20, Soronel (klomp...@katambuto.com.invalid)
hai scritto in 
news:Xns9232E606CC...@127.0.0.1
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<snip>
Questo è matto.
Soronel, intendo.
:DDDDDDDDDDDDDD
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And as if in answer there came from far awary another note.
Horns, horns, horns. In dark Mindolluin's side they dimly echoed.
Great horns of the North, wildly blowing. Rohan had come at last."
-The Return of the King

 FeSTosi cosa puo` capitare di leggere in un newgroup.
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Il caldo gioca brutti scherzi anche all'estero... :-)
Mae aur!
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 destroys him, and he dies for the ring's destruction. The Christian
e chi è stato a ritornare indietro?? un clone? [
ref.la
 guerra dei cloni]
mi sa che loro l'erba pipa la importano per mare....sale, pesce e umidità
fanno strani effetti sull'erba!!!
potremmo quasi dire che si tratta di erba pipa andata a male!
o, per 'rubare' a it.arti.cartoni, la si potrebbe definire "Robba farlocca",
che altro non è che "Robba buona andata a male"!!! ^____^
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Questo sta male!
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L' elfo Agaler Layenel, di Bosco Atro.
" Io rappresento il Bene e combattero' il Male fino alla fine del Mondo "
IAFo #142/IHGGer #1034/IHGGerD #22/IFeSToso #79
Butta LA_SPAZZATURA per rispondermi


PAX AMERICANA...
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Non t'impicciare degli affari degli Stregoni, perche sono astuti e suscettibili.

 Rings by JRR Tolkien.
No scusate. Sono esausta e malata. Non ho capito bene: STarwars bla bla bla
fa sicuramente da base per il recente libro e film del Signore degli Anelli?
Sto male io o c'è scritto così?
--
Lady of the Rings
FeSTosa n° 166
MSN: maria_strada
"And the music and the echo of the music went out into the Void, and it
was not Void".

> destroys him, and he dies for the ring's destruction. The Christian
ROTFL!!
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