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Titolo: [ENG] FIA President Max Mosley exlains the new rules

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FIA President Max Mosley exlains the new rules
13-02-2003
The new regulation whereby cars will have to start with whatever fuel
they finished with is so new that some of the team bosses aren't even
aware of it. At his 'get together' with invited journalists today FIA
President explained the new fuel rule, the parc ferme rule and of course
gave the lowdown on the new timetable.
"Currently, the teams have all agreed that we should have a 15 minute
warm-up from 13.30 to 13.45 on Saturday," said Mosley, "practice
(qualifying) from two until three and the warm-up on Sunday should
disappear. And that is now the subject of a vote of the Formula One
Commission, the World Council by fax.
"So on Friday there will be testing, for those three teams involved,
08.30 and 08.45, until either 10.30 or 10.45. Then at 11.00 the event
proper starts and it follows the classic pattern. There's one hour of
testing, then the second hour will become a qualifying session," he
continued. "As you now undoubtedly realise, that's going to be cars doing
single laps, going out in the order of the World Championship, the first
race obviously will be last year's championship and the fastest person on
Friday gets to start last on Saturday, so that the slowest person
obviously has to start first.
"Practice on Saturday morning is exactly as before: 09.00 to 09.45 and
10.15 to 11.00. Then there's a two and a half hour gap to 13.30 - 13.45
when there is a is a warm-up. 14.00 the qualifying starts. Again it's a
single lap and whoever was slowest or failed to get a time on Friday goes
out first, all the way down to the fastest man from Friday goes out last.
Qualifying on Friday will be from 14.00 to 15.00.
"The race will still be at 14.00 with no warm-up on Sunday.
It was at this point that Max revealed the new fuel rule: "I think that
would happen anyway," said the FIA President, "the no warm-up on Sunday,
because among all the steps being taken to do with the parc ferme, they
will need to start the race with whatever fuel they finish the qualifying
on, which will liven things up a bit."
So if they're empty? he was asked: "Then they will need to come in pretty
quick after the start of the race," he replied.
To much laughter Mosley was then asked if the team owners were aware of
this apparent 'bombshell': "They've known it for a couple of days," he
replied. "Charlie (Whiting the FIA's technical delegate) sent them out a
three and a half page document with minor details about the parc ferme,
but there is actually very sound reasoning for this.
"Basically, what if they ran, in the classic way, very empty for
qualifying, they would want to set the ride height differently and you
then get a compromise between the ride height for qualifying and the ride
height for the race, and various other things. It's just much safer to
approach the whole thing as though, let's say, instead of a 60 lap race,
it's a 63 lap race. The first three laps are the qualifying and then you
do the 60 lap race - just that there's a bit of a gap in between.
"There's a lot of nitty gritty detail," he continued, "like.. they've got
to be allowed to keep the engines warm overnight. But the procedure's
going to be, go out and do the qualifying lap, then go into the ordinary
central parc ferme until qualifying's finished. Then all the cars can be
taken to the garage but remain under parc ferme conditions where there's
a very limited list of things they can do, and anything other than that
on the list, they have to get consent for from the technical delegate.
"People who do get consent for something, will be made public so it will
be very transparent, while the list of the things they can do is very,
very restricted. For example, they can take the tyre pressures, they can
remove the bodywork because of heat soak, they can keep the engines warm
overnight and if they've got bona fide accident damage they can repair
it. But it has got to be bona fide, we're not going to let people knock
off a wing so that they can fit a race wing.
Mr Mosley was then asked what happens if somebody goes into qualifying
and then realises they don't have enough fuel for the final lap: "Then
they are just in desperate trouble at the start of the race," he replied,
because they probably won't even make the formation lap.
"What will happen is that you will get some very interesting strategies
going on because there will be the dilemma: do I want to be fast in
qualifying and make an early pit stop or whatever. It will also be
interesting because some drivers, at the end of the qualifying session,
may well be watching the people earlier on trying to second guess what
they are doing, particularly if it's a championship rival: if he seems to
have a lot of fuel, maybe I'd be better off getting ahead of him and
trying to get in and out before he comes around. It's going to be quite a
significant 'down-the-pub' factor."
Mr Mosley was then asked who will be guarding the cars overnight: "Three
o' clock to six, they will be in the garage," he replied. "At six o'
clock they go back to our central parc ferme where they will be under
lock and key, and a draconian guard will be watching so that nothing can
be done.
"Will it be in Bakersville?" he was asked, a reference to the vast area
set aside for Bernie Ecclestone's FOM area, in particular the now-defunct
Digital F1 service: "No," he replied, "Bakersville has become
Bakershamlet.
"Anyway, they will be guarded overnight. Eight o' clock the next morning,
they can take them out again, take them back to the garage and then
they've got this limited list of things they can do: bona fide accident
damage; they can replenish fluids other than fuel, oil and things like
that, they can be drained and/or replenished; compressed gasses they can
be taken in and out. They can take the wheels and tyres off, but they
can't change them, that's to say they can put different wheels and tyres
on. Like the fuel, the wheels and tyres they finished the qualifying on
they've got to start the race on. They can talk to their computers on the
car and they can change the battery and they can clean the bodywork and
that's it!"
What if they need more than thre hours, he was asked: "They can do
virtually anything with permission," he replied. "But of course if
they've had a crash they don't get a time, we won't require them in the
parc ferme because they are going to have to start from the back of the
grid anyway. If they go off, if they crash on their qualifying lap they
can take the car back to the garage and repair it all night as far as we
are concerned, because they are going to have to start from the back of
the grid because they haven't got a time.
What if they've set fastest time on Friday?: "It wouldn't help," he
replies "All that does is determine your start order on Saturday. And
then the only thing that could happen is that somebody might quite
deliberately crash on the slowing down lap.. well, we'll deal with that
when it arises, but the stewards might or might not give permission.
What if somebody deliberate goes off the road and scatters gravel
everywhere?: "We wouldn't like that," he replies. "We've got all sorts of
rules about that, the the famous article 151 (c) conduct prejudicial to
the event, if we thought they'd done it deliberately we would go for
them.
There are no such rules on Friday though the FIA President insists: "On
Friday they just get on with it," he said. "Saturday you start
restrictions."
He was then asked to describe how the qualifying session will be run,
will it be one car coming in and another going out on it's warming-up
lap?: "No, that would take too long," replied Mosley. "What we're doing
is as car A crosses the line at the start of his fast lap, car B comes
out of the pits and so then he comes round, he's on a slowing down lap
and the other one is coming on his warming-up lap and then he fires off.
We're going to have to see how it all works out because we don't want a
car on the same lap, obviously, but the idea is to try and keep the track
in front of the qualifying driver clear. It will vary from circuit to
circuit, but the principal is that there's always something going on: as
soon as he starts his fast lap, the other one is then going to start his
fast lap, probably 20 seconds behind, because he will have been doing a
warming-up lap. There has to be a slowing down lap, but a quick one."
Will all cars guaranteed to start, even if they have crashed?: "Yes," he
replied. "You'd let them start from the back of the grid unless they were
manifestly too slow, so you would just apply the proviso of the 107 per
cent rule.
Max then explained that the 107% rule will still apply: "If they can get
a place on the grid they will do so," he said. "However if they are too
slow, what the stewards will do is exactly what they do now: they will
look at their times in all the other sessions, because all we are looking
is people who are not fast enough. The fact that he went off or didn't
get a time wouldn't matter, or even if he did a very slow lap, provided
that in the free practice, or, on the Friday he demonstrated the ability
to do a time, then the stewards would let him under the exception.
"He starts from the back of the grid," said Mr Mosley when asked if
someone who'd crashed and hadn't set a time would start from the grid or
from the pit lane. "The only ones to start from the pit lane are the
people who have to change their car at the last minute."
If more than one driver doesn't set a time and goes off, what order do
they start?: "I think this is a situation where the stewards decide,"
replied the FIA President. "But what they would almost certainly do is
they would arrange them in the order that they qualified, so that the
faster one from Friday would be in front."
He was then asked how the teams had reacted to the fuel rule: "All the
teams that I've spoken to about it have been in favour, either strongly
or quite in favour."
And which teams has he spoken to?: I've spoken to five teams. Just people
I happen to have been talking to."
The obvious question.. has he spoken to Williams or McLaren?: "I don't
think I've spoken to Williams or McLaren about it," he replied. "Ferrari
I've spoken to, Jaguar I've spoken to, Jordan I've spoken to, Renault
I've spoken to and somebody else."
Clearly certain teams are not going to be too happy, to put it mildly,
does Max feel he communicates with them regualrly enough?: "The thing is,
some teams call quite regularly and discuss things quite regularly," he
replied. "And some don't.
"Frank, for example, is quite a regular caller, Ron hardly ever, Jean
Todt from time to time, probably not quite as frequently as Frank, Flavio
quite often, Eddie Jordan quite often, Stoddart quite often, they all
call from time to time."
Would it not have been a good idea to contact them all and to say this is
what is proposed?: "It's what we've just done. We've sent out this
massive document with all the details in it. Charlie sent that out a
couple of days ago. They all know. And then we had endless discussion
about most of the nitty gritty.
"There was a meeting of the technical people the Friday after the 15th of
January meeting, and another meeting, which I went to, of the technical
people the following Tuesday and then I think Charlie had another one on
the seventh of February. Most of that has been ironing out the 'what
ifs?' Because when you do things like that, there's always all sorts of
things and we've tried between all of us to foresee all of the
consequences. I hope we've done so.
As for the 'rubber stamping: "It is rubber-stamped," said Max. "All of
this is interpreting the rules. Somebody could challenge it in front of
the stewards which they might do in Australia, but I think the general
consensus is that it's more or less the right way to go."
What about the Formula One Commission vote, when is that?: "The change to
the timetable, that does require the commission, " he replied, "and we
hope that will be by the end of this week. Once the teams have agreed,
which they all did in the meeting with Charlie on the seventh, it's most
unlikely - in fact it's inconceivable that either the World Council or
the Formula One Commission will object. "
Max was then asked for more information regarding the overnight security
arrangements, where will they house all the cars?: "As a general rule, in
three or four of the garages," he replied, "and we've got more garages
than normal because we've got two teams missing. If you pack them in, you
can get all the cars in about three big garages.
And you trust them, between the hours and three and six on the Saturday?:
"They will have people watching them. There will be scrutineers watching
them the whole time, in every garage, and they will also be watching each
other!"
And when do they get the cars back on the Sunday?: "Eight o' clock in the
morning unless the race schedule is unusually early, then it will be a
bit earlier."
Presumably the cars will be supervised from eight o' clock until race
time?: "Yes," he replied.
So there's very little they can do on a Sunday morning?: "Very little."
Have extra staff been taken on?: "No," says Max, "you see we've got local
people in all the places dying to do that kind of thing, and you just
give them a check list and tell them to keep an eye open."
The way in which he has imposed these regulations seems to have been
remarkably easy, with the teams taking it all remarkably easily: "I
wouldn't quite put it like that," he replied, smiling. " We may not have
seen the end of the story but the thing is that after their meeting on
the fourth of December, I think most of the teams felt that we needed to
do something, there hadn't been agreement on anything radical in October,
they had not agreed anything substantial in December so something had to
be done and it was obvious they couldn't reach agreement themselves.
"You may recall that I think it was the GPWC that put a thing out saying
that it was a pity we hadn't accepted the constructive proposals from the
teams from the fourth of the December. Well, what those constructive
proposals consisted of.. they'd agreed one thing, just one thing, which
was a list of three items that you couldn't change, according to them,
between qualifying and the race, which was wholly inadequate and all the
rest of it was agreement in principle.. we agree in principle to do this,
in principle to do that, and the actual things that they had agreed only
in principle were things like changing the material for the ballast in
2005 or whether the underplank should be made of this or that in 2004.
You just looked at this and thought, this is just a joke.
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ultimamente amo Mosley.
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 to do a time, then the stewards would let him under the exception.
No comment... 
Folco

 No comment... 
Guarda che questa applicazione della regola del 107% c'era già, non è una
novità di quest'anno. 
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 finish the qualifying on, which will liven things up a bit."
[CUT]
Non discuto sul caos, e quindi in senso lato lo spettacolo, che questa
nuova filosofia comporterà. E' persino possibile che ci sia da
divertirsi.
Tuttavia il cuore del discorso è un altro, la FIA ha abolito le
qualifiche in F1. E' corretto l'esempio di Mosley della gara di 3+60
giri, impossibile ogni paragone con il passato della specialità.
La cosa mi colpisce in modo particolare, ho sempre adorato le prove di
qualificazione, la pura lotta contro il cronometro alla ricerca del
limite e della perfezione, senza vincoli, senza strategie.
Sarà impossibile valutare le prestazioni in prova prima di aver visto la
gara, insignificante il confronto tra compagni, annullato il valore
simbolico della pole-position, della Senna-position.
"La pole position è come una gara di cento metri. Dai tutto quello che
hai, in quel minuto, minuto e mezzo, trattenendo il fiato in certe
curve, non respirando per bilanciare meglio la vettura, per aumentare la
sensibilità. La carica di adrenalina è incredibile, da un secondo
all'altro. Credo che sia il momento più grande, il più forte, il più
alto... Ne ho già ottenute 52 e spero di conquistarne ancora. Ogni volta
che ottengo una pole position, mi sento rinascere e voglio accaparrare
la prossima, anno dopo anno, pole dopo pole."
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                        Davide
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      Ogni anno qualcuno vince un titolo. Io voglio fare di più.
¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯¯Ayrton Senna da Silva¯¯¯¯¯¯¯
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 venti secondi d'intervallo.
No, per quanto ho capito io vediamo il flying lap di ognuno per intero
Piuttosto prevedo una cosa... che alcune vetture avranno una combo per far
esplodere il motore
Se al secondo intertempo sono drammaticamente dietro (per un errore del
pilota o altro) si rassegneranno a partire dal fondo ma con strategia
perfetta per la gara
Purtroppo... in F1 stanno i peggiori furbi del pianeta
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 perfetta per la gara
Beh.. non credo che possano far esplodere il motore ad ogni qualifica...
E cmq il fatto di essere dietro può dipendere (anzi dipenderà soprattutto)
dal carico di benzina che si ha a bordo.
E' chiaro che nessuno potrà essere sicuro di partire davanti, a meno di
non fermarsi al primo giro per il rifornimento (e penso che nell'ottica
della gara, non sia una tattica molto redditizia); quindi i top-team non
lo faranno mai, mentre lo potrà fare un team minore per farsi pubblicità.
Penso che partire dal fondo con strategia perfetta non sia un'ipotesi
percorribile, i top-team dovranno considerare le qualifiche parte della
gara e partire dal fondo (considerando la difficoltà nei sorpassi) non
sarà vantaggioso, perchè gli avversari non faranno tattiche suicide (tipo
quella di fermarsi subito) e le posizioni perse in partenza non le
recuperi con una tattica diversa (in quanto non sarà mai *tanto* diversa).
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 simbolico della pole-position, della Senna-position.
Esatto, nessuno batterà mai il record di pole position di Senna, almeno
fino a quando le qualifiche stesse non torneranno in F1.
Propongo una petizione tra tutti gli appassionati di F1 per chiudere alla
stagione 2002 le statistiche sulle qualifiche, in quanto è quella l'ultima
stagione in cui sono state presenti in F1.
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 limite e della perfezione, senza vincoli, senza strategie.
strategie. Sono l'ossessione di Mosley. č riuscito a infilarle anche nelle
"qualifiche".
Eppure a gran voce si chiede l'abolizione dei pit-stops!!!!!!!!!!!
Ma Mosley non ci sente da quell'orecchio, anzi crea "regole" sempre piů
arzigogolate che creano potenzialmente parecchi sospetti di raggiramenti e
confusione.
Ma č cosě difficile chiedere una F1 semplice, naturale e splendida come
era nel passato?
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 quella l'ultima stagione in cui sono state presenti in F1.
Sono troppo di parte per firmare la tua petizione. :-)
L'ho giŕ detto, la 66° pole di MS mi peserŕ parecchio, nonostante la
scarsa importanza che abitualmente assegno ai numeri. Proprio per questo
sarebbe troppo semplice per me metterlo fuori gioco in questa maniera.
Bisognerŕ anche vedere cosa accadrŕ realmente, dopo qualche gara di
assestamento.
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                        Davide
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                 Ho bisogno di fare qualcosa di speciale.
      Ogni anno qualcuno vince un titolo. Io voglio fare di piů.
ŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻŻAyrton Senna da SilvaŻŻŻŻŻŻŻ
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>to do a time, then the stewards would let him under the exception.
Dunque al venerdě la Minardi fa l'ultimo tempo, quindi parte
per prima al Sabato. Il venerdě e' bagnato, quindi i tempi sono
elevati. Al sabato e' asciutto, e la Minardi fa il suo tempo
sull'asciutto. Dopo cinque minuti inizia a piovere e quindi
i tempi di TUTTI i piloti che partono dopo crescono di 20 secondi
e finiscono oltre il 107% (anche i tempi del venerdi finiscono
oltre il 107%). La domenica parte 1 macchina sola?
Ciao.
Giuseppe.

 
C'e' una bella differenza. L'anno scorso i piloti avevano a
disposizione 12 giri, quest'anno UNO ed uno solo...

 oltre il 107%). La domenica parte 1 macchina sola?
No, possono chiedere di essere ammessi tutti i piloti che hanno dimostrato
di poter girare entro il 107% nelle altre sessioni del week-end
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 disposizione 12 giri, quest'anno UNO ed uno solo...
Ma se hanno dimostrato nel resto del week-end di poter entrare nel limite
del 107% possono essere riammessi al via.
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 giri, impossibile ogni paragone con il passato della specialità.
Sì, esatto. Per quanto io sia favorevole complessivamente al "giro di
vite" operato dalla FIA, questo aspetto non l'avrei toccato, perché
distrugge i raffronti col passato. In pratica, è quasi la "griglia a
caso" che Max aveva suggerito.
 
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