Newsgroup: it.comp.sicurezza.varie
Titolo: VIRUS (HTML.Phishing.Pay-131)

il sevizio di Postmaster Libero mi ha segnalato con due distinti messaggi, a 
distanza di giorni, di avere bloccato una email contenente il virus di cui 
in oggetto.
sono riuscito a risalire al mittente, libero consiglia di avvisare il 
mittente dell'inconveniente.
mi chiedo č consigliabile spedire al mittente un email evideziando la 
presenza di virus nei loro messaggi di p.e.;
quanto č pericoloso questo virus;
il mittente risiede negli states, com'č riuscito a risalire al mio indirizzo 
di posta elettronica;
nell'ORIGINAL HEADERS si fa riferimento a 
paypal.com
, che significa.
grazie a chi mi da una mano a capirci qualche cosa.

 grazie a chi mi da una mano a capirci qualche cosa.
Significa che Libero usa clamav sugli antivirus.
E clamav, notoriamente, marca come virus anche alcuni tipi di phishing,
tra cui quello, che è un phishing PayPal.
Ergo, quello non è un virus.
La macchina origine di quella mail è certamente una macchina abusata in
qualche modo (secondo il caso, un webserver vulnerabile o un PC windows
trojanizzato).
Il messaggio non è inviato a te perchè il mittente ti conosce, ma perchè
il tuo indirizzo è presente della lista di indirizzi email usati dallo
spammer/phisher.
Ovviamente, come sempre (sia per spam che phishing che virus) il
mittente indicato nella mail non ha di norma alcun rapporto con il
proprietario della macchina abusata. L'unica cosa che fa testo è l'IP
dal quale i server di Libero hanno ricevuto la mail.
Bye.

 ha scritto nel messaggio 
news:edkjc3$ka$1...@half.spin.it...
Il messaggio non è inviato a te perchè il mittente ti conosce, ma perchè
il tuo indirizzo è presente della lista di indirizzi email usati dallo
spammer/phisher.
<come si può evitare di finire in queste liste di indirizzi poi spammati? 

 <come si può evitare di finire in queste liste di indirizzi poi spammati? 
Evitando di usare l'e-mail.
E poi non e' nemmeno detto, ho visto passare dello spam brute-force che
costruiva gli indirizzi in serie.
Ci sono comunque alcune precauzioni da prendere per limitare i danni:
Evitare di postare su forum o newsgroup con l'indirizzo in chiaro.
Fare molta attenzione a virus e spyware, che sono ad oggi una delle
fonti principali di diffusione indirizzi.
MAI rispondere ad uno spammer.
...
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           |Save our planet!
    Ciao   |Save wildlife!
   roberto |For your E-MAIL use ONLY recycled Bytes  !!
           |roberto poggi   
rpo...@softhome.net

 Ci sono comunque alcune precauzioni da prendere per limitare i danni:
[...]
Mah, se vuoi la mia, fai prima a dire "Nessuna".

 Mah, se vuoi la mia, fai prima a dire "Nessuna".
Beh, suvvia, al mio indirizzo che uso da anni nel news group, appena
appena camuffato, arrivano al massimo sei, sette spam alla settimana.
Un indirizzo usato per UN post in chiaro nell'header, ne riceve sei,
sette al giorno, nonostante sia user unknown da subito dopo (e sono
sei anni) che quei brasileri insistono)
Ho parlato solo di limitare i danni.
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 Ho parlato solo di limitare i danni.
Oddio, si, ma una volta che l'indirizzo finisce nella lista di un
singolo spammer, ne hai perso il controllo. Da lě in poi č solo una
questione di culo, su quante compravendite la lista che "ti contiene"
subisce...
E accade nel momento stesso in cui non tu, ma un tuo corrispondente ha
la macchina virata.
Quindi, non ne hai alcun controllo.
Evitare di avere l'indirizzo in chiaro su NG e canali pubblici aiuta, ma
č il meno...

 č il meno...
Ma e' l'unica cosa "attiva" che puoi fare.
Il resto e' solo culo, se mi permettete il francesismo.
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scusate come e dove trovo un programma brute force? potreste darmi un
link?
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 link?
Trollino del menga, vai affanculo di corsa.
*PLONK*
Un Paperino che non si spreca più di tanto. 

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