Newsgroup: it.tlc.cellulari
Titolo: cellulari con modem

Come da subject. Quali sono? Conosco gia' il Nokia 8810
e l'Ericsson SH888, ma ce ne sono anche altri?
Giuseppe

e l'Ericsson SH888, ma ce ne sono anche altri?
Nokia communicator 9000, e 9110.
Ciao, Sandro

Giuseppe

 Giuseppe
Anche il Motorola CD920, basta infatti il cavetto e il software Motorola
New Smart Cellect per avere un completo acesso senza schede o modem....
Ciao, Alex.
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Tutti i Nokia 5xxx e 6xxx
Non è esatto. Il modem viene emulato via sw.
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New Smart Cellect per avere un completo acesso senza schede o modem....
Non proprio. E' lo stesso discorso dei Nokia 61x0: il modem viene emulato
dal sw.
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Tutti i Nokia 5xxx e 6xxx
Ma neanche....
Che il CDS emuli il modem (soft modem) e' un conto, ma i 5xxx ed i 6xxx
il modem interno non ce l'hanno.
st.

e l'Ericsson SH888, ma ce ne sono anche altri?
Il Bosch 908
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Tutti i Nokia 5xxx e 6xxx
Assolutamente no.
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

New Smart Cellect per avere un completo acesso senza schede o modem....
Piu' o meno. Ma il CD9x0 non ha il modem.
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©


Il nuovo Nokia 7110 che ha anche un microbrowser interno e la
poccibilita' di scaricare la posta.
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©
PS: Vuoi collegarlo ad un palmare?

 >Giuseppe
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 PS: Vuoi collegarlo ad un palmare?
Stavo valutando questa possibilita'; pero' prima di acquistare
il palmare volevo cercare un cellulare che facesse al mio caso.
Molto interessante anche la possibilita' di scaricare la posta 
del 7110. Quando uscira' in commercio?

e l'Ericsson SH888, ma ce ne sono anche altri?
si il motorola cd920/930 startac 130 e v3688, per i quali basta il
cavo seriale Smartcell
Luigi

del 7110. Quando uscira' in commercio?
Luglio (?)...
:)

del 7110. Quando uscira' in commercio?
Guarda sono quattro giorni che studio la stessa cosa.
Sono indecisissimo.
Se prendere :
WinCE  
PalmV
Psion
Tutto e' subordinato alla possibilita' di navigare con il palmare.
Sono oreintato verso il:
HP Jornada 680 (fantastica evoluzione del 630LX)
E prendere il SW globalplus della TDK per un nokia 6150.
Pero se esce il 7110 anche in Italia e non costa uno sproposito lo
compro.
Pero' prima voglio sapere come va. Che non sia una ciofeca come l'8810
Esteticamente e' un misto tra 61x0 e 8110 ... sottile ma con flip a
scorrimento
e' dual band e ha 1000!! Dico 1000 posti in memoria!
Attnedo! :-))
Comuqnue non escludo neanche la sluzione SW
Altra possibilita' e' comprare una scheda modem esterna:
PCIMCIA -.. ma ti mangia le batterie del palmare
Estenra .. ma ci vuole un altra batteria
Indubbiamente la soluzione migliore e' un cello con il modem interno
il 7110 mi attende!! :-)
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

Giuseppe
GSM Standard Facts
Data
The GSM Standard allows transmission speed conforms to the ITU-T
standard V.22bis which facilitates
data transfer at 2,400, 4,800 and 9,600 bits/s. By implementing data
compression the transmission speed can be increased to a theoretical
maximum data throughput of 38,400 bits/s.
Fax
Facsimile operation, at 2,400, 4,800, 7,200 and 9,600 bits/s. conforms
to Service Class 1 and the proposed Service Class 2 standards.
SMS
Short Message Service with messages up to 160 characters long,
according to ETSI (GSM) 07.05 using the GSM character set. Permitting
the transmission to a facsimile, X400, telex and voice services or
mobile
phone.
Remember that the GSM Standard was founded 1982 from the German and
France Telecom. The maximum speed is 9.600 bits/s but how fast it was
in the early 80's when most of us was playing with a Commodore C 64!?
Today the GSM MoU (Memorandum of Understanding) is the worldwide
Organization of the GSM Standard.
 
Hardware Facts
To go online on your trip you need a HP/C with PCMCIA-Card Slot or an
IrDA Port.
PCMCIA
You can use the most GSM-PC-Cards for data-transmission. The
PCMCIA-Standard is supported by the most HP/C's. The following
PC-Cards was tested successful with a WindowsCE 2.0 device and
different Mobile Phones.
PC-Card Mobile Phone 
Ericsson DC 12 Ericsson GH 337
Ericsson GH 388 
Ericsson DC 33 Ericsson GH 688
Ericsson GF 768 and 788 
Psion Gold Card Ericsson GH 688
Nokia 3110 and 8110 
Nokia DTP-2 Nokia 2110 
Infrared and IrDA
Not all new Mobile Phones with an Infrared-Port supports transmission
via the IrDA Standard!
Infrared is a technology; IrDA is a standard!
The following Infrared devices was tested with a WindowsCE 2.0 device.
Mobile Phone Status Notes 
Nokia 6110
built-in Infrared-Port  Not Successful The 61xx series doesn't have a
built-in Modem. You need a software which emulates a Modem like NCDS.
Actually no NCDS is available for any WindowsCE devices! 
Also Nokia doesn't supports regular ETSI standard commands for their
61xx series Phones!
For more info click here. 
Nokia 6130
built-in Infrared-Port Not Successful 
Nokia 6150
built-in Infrared-Port Not Successful 
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Nokia 8810
built in Infrared-Port
 Successful The Nokia 8810 supports WindowsCE with the newest
Software-Release 
For more info click here. 
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Nokia 9000 Communicator
built-in Infrared-Port Successful The Communicator should supports
Hayes commands via Infrared. 
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Siemens SL 10
built-in Infrared-Port Not Successful The Sienems SL 10 doesn't have a
built-in Modem. You need a software which emulates a Modem like the
available Software for Windows 95/98. Actually no WindowsCE version is
available. 
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Ericsson GH 688* 
connected via Ericsson DI 27 Successful All Ericsson Infrared devices
have a built-in Modem and supports the IrDA standard and the Hayes /
ETSI commands.
Actually Ericsson Mobile Phones are the best solution for "Mobile
Officing" via WindowsCE. 
Ericsson PF 768* 
connected via Ericsson DI 27 Successful 
GF 788* 
connected via Ericsson DI 27 Successful 
Ericsson SH 888*
built-in IrDA-Port Successful 
* The DI 27 is compatible with Ericsson GSM 900, 1800, 1900 phones in
the 600 & 700 series.
 
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©
PS: Non ho volgia di tradurlo. Scusate.

PCIMCIA -.. ma ti mangia le batterie del palmare
Per gli psion e' prodotta dalla Gobal Com
http://www.psiondacom.com/
E tra psion e Motorola e' stato raggiunto un accordo per la
implementazione dei celli motorola con gli psion mediante la loro
card. Dacom:
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Motorola and Psion Dacom announce licensing deal
Motorola has announced that it has licensed its digital cellular data
interface to Psion Dacom. The licensing deal will enable Psion to
offer connectivity kits for its line of PCMCIA data cards providing
compatibility with the Motorola range of data enabled cellular GSM900,
GSM1800 and GSM1900 handsets. These include the latest Motorola
StarTAC phones, SlimLite phones and 8000 series digital cellular
telephones. The development of the Psion Dacom data interface kits for
the Motorola range will be supported by Motorola's specialist PC-card
division, Motorola Communicate.
Ralph Pini, Senior Vice President and General Manager for Motorola's
European Cellular Subscriber Group commented, "Motorola continues to
broaden its connectivity options by working with market leading
companies to offer our customers the widest possible choice. We chose
to focus our cellular licensing activities here in Europe where we see
increasing demand for digital cellular data solutions. In the future,
similar connectivity partnerships can be expected in other market
regions."
Gareth Hughes, Managing Director for Psion Dacom, added, "Psion Dacom
is the first UK PC-Card manufacturer to be awarded a license to
interface with the Motorola range of data enabled digital cellular
telephones. This announcement means that our Gold Card Global range
has unrivalled compatibility with a range of data interface kits for
the leading cellular handsets.
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Per il Software GlobalPulse: 
http://www.globalpulse.com/
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GlobalPulse have all you need for working with your H/PC and Nokia
Phone. The installation of GlabalPulse is pretty easy and everybody
can do it by himself. I really like the SMS-Software because it gives
you the possibility to use one of the most famous GSM-Services very
comfortable.
However there are some points I don't feel happy about - but TDK isn't
liable for this!
First is the connection. Because all manufacturers have designed their
own ports the only way for TDK was to design a connection to the
serial cable you are using for synchronization to your Desktop PC.
That means that you have to carry this cable with you if you go
travelling. Or you have to buy a second one which isn't available for
all devices or if it is available it is very expensive. The
manufactures should use the same ports than it is more easy for
companies like TDK to develop a convenience solution
The second one is that not all WindowsCE manufactures supports TDK's
Global Pulse because the different port structure. TDK is talking with
the manufactures for their next coming devices to support a stronger
port architecture. Be sure if you will buy your next H/PC that it is
supported. For more information check the GlobalPulse Homepage.
The last one is that you have to use a cable for a device which owns a
IrDA-Port. But for this Nokia is liable. However I'm more than happy
to use my WindowsCE devices with my Nokias.
For everybody of you who have a travel-job TDK's GlobalPulse is the
right solution to keep in touch with your company or send love letters
via SMS if you will come back later again ;-) However GlobalPulse is
the most convenient solution available for a H/PC today.
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Insomma io aspetto il 7110
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

del 7110. Quando uscira' in commercio?
http://www.nokia.com/phones/7110/index.html
Le info che ho sono tutte li' :-\
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

Giuseppe
Leggete infine cosa ho trovato come info sula motorola:
Motorola Debuts GSM Modem With Compression Technology
By Paul Quigley
LONDON--Motorola Communicate Ltd. broke new ground with the launch of
a global system for mobile communications-based software modem with a
proprietary compression technology, Digital Data Fast. The modem is
expected to rekindle consumer interest in the viability of wireless
data.
According to Motorola, the SmartCELL-ect software modem increases the
effective data throughput rate for GSM from 9.6 kilobits per second to
a 56 kbps. The software modem is the first to sport V.42 data
compression and is the first to shed the hardware burden of a PC Card.
Some observers note that the move by Motorola could cause the end of
dedicated GSM data cards based on the PC Card format. In essence,
Motorola Communicate's SmartCELLect "soft modem" is a simple
intelligent GSM cable that removes the need for the standard PC Card
and can operate under Windows 95, Windows 98 and Windows NT 4.0.
However, company sources say the primarily benefit of the software
modem is the incorporation of Motorola's Digital Data Fast compression
technology.
Steve Holland, managing director at Basingstoke-based Motorola
Communicate, said, "SmartCELLect ... will help establish a new
category of intelligent data cables in the advanced cellular accessory
market. For those mobile workers who require additional landline
capability, we will continue to offer our customers a range of PC
Cards, including the CELLect3 data card which combines GSM and
[public-switched telephone network] functionality in a single card."
Motorola's software modem is not the first for GSM handsets; however,
it is the first to provide high data-rate and faster connections. Late
last year, wireless modem vendor, TDK-Grey Cell, launched a software
modem called SoftGSM, which sparked the current wave of research and
development into code-based solutions for the cellular phone-data
interface problem. The move was followed by Nokia Corp.'s DataSuite 2
software product and again by TDK-Grey Cell with an updated
GlobalPulse software GSM modem.
"Customers in the future will want simple connectivity rather than
having to reconfigure PC Cards," said Colin Aitken, marketing director
at Communicate. "This is the first step toward being complete
wireless."
Major vendors recognize that software modems are a step that will be
more development-intensive than expected. "If you look at what Nokia
Corp. announced, it didn't support as wide a range of connectivity as
I think they would have wished for," said Rod Armitage, analyst at
U.K. consulting firm Gledholt Longden.
"Cost factors are making the software approach to wireless data
modulation-demodulation increasingly attractive," Armitage said.
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

Motorola Debuts GSM Modem With Compression Technology
Info sul cellect:
Motorola's SmartCELLect would interest any mobile computer user
looking to send and receive data across a GSM cellular network.
Its most obvious selling point is that it is software-based and
requires nothing more complicated than a standard serial port (and
Motorola phone) to work. This makes it a lot cheaper than the
alternative - buying a GSM data card to connect through a spare PC
Card slot. 
The kit consists of a software installation CD for Windows 95/ NT and
an "intelligent" serial cable to connect the phone and computer. 
Motorola helpfully includes a pass-through power connection so the
phone can be plugged into the mains even when the SmartCELLect cable
is attached to it. A set-up routine on the CD creates a set of three
installation floppies, if required. 
Once the phone and PC are physically connected, all features -
including powering on the phone and entering any SIM PIN number - can
be controlled using the supplied PhoneTools program. 
The software is well laid out, but you have to invest some time to get
it set up correctly. For example, SMS text messaging will only work
once you've told the program which of the SMS message centres should
be used (this depends on which network you subscribe to). 
You also have to data-enable your account on most networks. If you are
an Orange subscriber, for instance, this can be achieved by phoning
180. It is available free of charge. Separate data and fax numbers are
then allocated to your account. 
One drawback is that Smart-CELLect only works with Motorola handsets,
including the new CD 900 series (known as the MR 602 to Orange
customers) and the various StarTAC models. 
The older 8700/MR601 phones are not compatible with the SmartCELLect
cable, although we were assured by Motorola that the SmartCELLect
serial cable would work with at least one handset for each of the four
UK GSM cellular networks. 
Another minus is that, unlike conventional data cards (including
Motorola's CELLect 3), you do not have a built-in modem and,
therefore, cannot connect using a phone line. It is strictly a soft
modem, allowing connections to be made through the handset at the
9,600bps GSM data transfer rate. 
Then there is the question of whether using software instead of a data
card will hinder the host PC's performance unduly. 
In principle, CPU use should be greater than with an installed
hardware GSM data card because the latter takes up some of the
processing load. As it was, we found that under Windows 95,
SmartCELLect loads the system in much the same way as an ordinary
modem. 
The software modem approach uses less battery power than a data card,
although we didn't perform a detailed test to check this. In any case,
power consumption may not be an issue, depending on your notebook
model and how long you use it away from the mains. 
At the heart of SmartCELLect is the Phonetools integrated fax, SMS and
terminal program, which, probably more than everything else, would
justify buying it. Not only does it allow you to set up, send and
receive faxes and SMS messages, but you can manage document flow -
something that was often overlooked with first-generation data card
products. 
Faxes can be set to spool automatically to a printer. Some networks
also allow you to specify a real fax machine so that faxes can be
forwarded if a hard copy is required. And custom logos for the fax
cover page can be added if the default Motorola one gets on your
nerves. 
Another well thought-out feature is the phone book option. It allows
you to exchange telephone number and name information between a phone,
the phone's SIM chip and your computer. This removes the chore of
having to use the phone's keypad to enter names and numbers for all
your contacts - a laborious process at the best of times (and not an
especially well-crafted feature on some Motorola phones). You can
enter them on the PC and upload them in one go. 
Entries can be amended or deleted at any time, and phone book groups
can be created, say, for personal or business contacts. 
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Motorola SmartCELLect
Pros:
Cheap way of adding mobile data capability to your notebook 
Leaves your PC Card slot free for other things 
Powerful software features include excellent fax, phone SIM and SMS
message management 
Less battery drain than a conventional GSM data card 
Cons:
Only available for some Motorola handsets 
You cannot connect to the PSTN 
Price: £80
Supplier: Motorola Communicate 01256 477600
Others: TDK's GlobalPulse software is compatible with handsets from
Nokia and Ericsson 
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©
"Intelligenti pauca"

 il 7110 mi attende!! :-)
Se il sw della TDK funzia bene anche su WinCE, penso che il 6110 che ho
gia vada benissimo. Devi pur considerare che con il cellulare non stai
collegato delle ore e quindi non e' indispensabile avere il massimo
delle prestazioni... poi si parla di 9.6k quindi...
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 Actually no NCDS is available for any WindowsCE devices!
Vabbeh' questa e' FALSA... forse la Nokia li ha pagati per non
pubblicizzare gli altri prodotti (il GlobalPulse della TDK e' solamente
UNO (sembra il migliore) "emulatore modem" per i Nokia che gira sotto
WinCE.. ma ce ne sono altri).
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delle prestazioni... poi si parla di 9.6k quindi...
Ma il collegamento ... il cavo lo colleghi al Jornada 680? Ha la
seriale standard? O ci vuole un cavetto apposta?
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©

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Spero abbia una seriale, almeno rs232... ma sul "web" non c'e' scritto?
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Spero abbia una seriale, almeno rs232... ma sul "web" non c'e' scritto?
Si .. ma l'attacco e' standard?
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©


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 Si .. ma l'attacco e' standard?
Che ti frega dell'attacco.. anche se DIN il problema e' risolvibile..
l'importante e' che ci sia RX/TX/RTS ... :)
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 >> >Giuseppe
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normali modem).
Gia' gia' ... :-)
         Ciao
                         Tommy VS©
PS: Ma come siamo esperti! UAUAUAU ;-)

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Hey, lasciami fare la mia parte, che ultimamente sono "scaduto" in fatto
di reputazione. ;)
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