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Titolo: Herbert, Schumacher, la telemetria

La strategia del ragno, gli inizi
Briatore and Benetton in 1995
Herbert knows exactly how that feels. He looks back on 1995 with a certain
degree of resentment.:
"I'm a bit bitter towards Flavio because he said there would be a two car
test team at Benetton and there never was. It was unfair that he expected me
to turn up on Sunday and win a race.
"I used to waste days going to tests. At first, Michael did two days and I
did two, then it was three and one and sometimes I was down to half a day. I
thing the longest test I did all year was two days on Silverstone South.
Doing a race distance. Great. I felt like Taki Inoue or someone. I think
that's how it looked sometimes too, such as Hungary when the gap was two and
a half seconds. I mean, that's just bloody ridiculous. In the end, it wore
me down. In future, I'll get it on paper."
The dawning realisation takes a while. You mean to say that here was a Grand
Prix driver with a leading team who didn't have something as fundamental
written into a contract? It says a lot about Herbert's nature. Some would
call it naivety - but to Johnny, Briatore said it so he took it at face
value. Still, what were his agents, the International Management Group (IMG)
up to?
"Yeah, well, maybe you might say it could have been put in through their
experience. I wouldn't have thought of it but maybe they could and should
have done. I relied on Flavio to do it, which was a silly move."
I remember trying to interview Herbert's father Bob when Johnny had won the
British Grand Prix in 1995. He was so choked he could barely get the words
out. Wife Becky and mother Jane were struggling too, all the people who had
shared his ups and downs. Herbert himself was the coolest person in the
place.
"But he backed in," someone said, and the same expression was repeated when
Johnny triumphed again at Monza. It was palpable nonsense, even if
Schumacher and Hill weren't on the track at the time. Herbert started
driving when he was 10 and when someone achieves success after all he's been
through, they fully deserve it. The shame was that the caustic atmosphere at
Benetton took the edge off.
"They wouldn't have got the constructors' championship if I hadn't been
there," Herbert points out. "There was talk of replacing me and the wins
were a bit like sticking one up the team. And up Flavio.
"They weren't expecting me to win a race. Flavio and Michael used to do
their jumping around bit and all the cuddling. Flavio was there when I came
down off the podium at Silverstone but you could just see in his face it
wasn't honest at all.
"Then I won Monza. It was the long walk from the parc fermé down to the
podium. He pulled a sort of little sneer. He went onto the podium, took his
trophy and went. That was it. He didn't even say a word. But I was chuffed.
I'd set the second quickest lap anyway and you don't expect a golfer who
hasn't hit a ball to go out and win the Masters."
And then, of course, there was the business of the telemetry, with Herbert
not permitted access to Schumacher's data.
"I think that only started because in Brazil I qualified fourth, just behind
him. We went straight to Argentina and it all started there. He came up to
me and said: 'This thing of the data. There's probably things that you do
special which you don't want me to see, and there's things I do that I don't
want you to see, so has Ross [Brawn] spoken to you about changing it?
"I understand it from Michael's point of view. I think what he does is how a
racing driver needs to be - very selfish. He doesn't give the other guy a
chance to get close to him.
"But Flavio should have told him it was a team effort. My engineer would
sometimes call up his data and I'd be looking at it out of the corner of my
eye while he was on the other side of the desk. Pathetic really. But he
never left the room. Even if you stayed there till 9.30 at night he'd still
be there. Later on in the season I could see the data but by then I wasn't a
threat."
When his relationship with Lotus turned sour, Herbert had looked to Benetton
as his saviour, which made it all the more soul-destroying.
"The good thing was that Becky came to all the races that year because she
had a feeling it was all going to be hard. She was someone I could actually
have a one-to-one with, because sadly I couldn't discuss it with anyone else
in the team."
No-one?
"No. Ross tried to be very good at the races but that's always too late.
It's not at the races that championships are won. They're won away, testing.
It means confidence.

threat."
Ma Herbert non poteva fare il suo mestiere di pilota senza l'ausilio
(senz'altro utile) dei dati di Schumacher?
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 Doing a race distance. Great.
Herbert piagnone (d'altronde deve in qualche modo giustificare il non
essere all'altezza del compagno di squadra).
Herbert ha fatto pochi test? Beh, sai, nel 93 Schumacher ha fatto 0
test è arrivato a SStone e dato la paga al compagno.
MS è stato fuori per mesi, è rientrato in malaysa 99 e ha dato la paga
al compagno. MS ha fatto 0 test nell'inverno 99/2000 (operazione) e
ha dato la paga al compagno.
Herbert ha fatto pochi test? Non era lui in lotta al campionato.
Hakkinen, Coulthard e Irvine non vorrebbero proprio farli i test...
Herbert piagnone.
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 essere all'altezza del compagno di squadra).
Ci e`.
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 eye while he was on the other side of the desk.
Herbert pure  rubava guardando la telemetria di MS...
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 a half seconds.
beccava due secondi e mezzo perchč non poteva leggere la telemetria di
Schumacher
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 him.
in Brasile Herbert ha fatto una gara mediocre...
Herbert è solo capace di sputare nel piatto dove ha mangiato, in un team
che gli ha fatto vincere due GP.
Gli deve essere molto bruciato non essere stato all'altezza di Michael
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Gli deve essere molto bruciato non essere stato all'altezza di Michael
Non credo che neanche lui pensasse di essere al livello di Schumacher,
ma magari essere messo nelle condizioni di fare un lavoro decente...
Conclusione, io capisco difendere Schumacher, ma c'e' modo e modo, e
bisogna considerare un po' di piu' le carriere dei vari piloti, non
limitarsi solo e soltanto a guardare i punti o i cronometri.
E comunque, ripeto, bastava leggere questa parte per capire a chi sono
realmente dirette le critiche...
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 Herbert.
Se c'č qualcuno che parla male quello č Herbert...
Cosa devo dire, cerca di accampare scuse (non ho fatto molti test,
non vedevo la telemetria di MS (e MS non vedeva la telemetria di JH)
non erano contenti che vincevo, questa poi!!) che mi paiono fuori luogo.
Ritengo che egli abbia avuto "equal chanches" di MS e se
č stato piů lento di MS forse un po' č dovuto a questioni di diverso  talento.
Non trovo di buon gusto il suo sputare nel piatto dove ha mangiato.
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Non trovo di buon gusto il suo sputare nel piatto dove ha mangiato.
E io non trovo di buon gusto che un pilota come Herbert, che e' sempre
stato un "signore" goda di cosi' scarsa considerazione. Nessuno dice
che si debba riconoscere in lui un fuoriclasse, che forse non e', ma
almeno l'atteggiamento che ha avuto per tutta la sua carriera, visto
che non ha mai piantato casini o polemiche senza senso. Ricordo che si
e' lamentato IMHO poco anche quando RSc lo butto' fuori a Monza nel
1997...

 un fatto.
se è vero (ma permettimi di dubitarne essendo questo contro logica e contro
gli interessi di un team e dei piloti)
la situazione era paritaria per i due
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invernali, piů tutta la stagione 95 non puň dire di "non conoscere la macchina"
Cavolo, ma nessuno vuole dire che Herbert altrimenti sarebbe andato
forte come MSc, non era questo il punto. Il debutto a Suzuka ha poco
senso, visto che la macchina era un'altra.....

 Herbert piagnone
ovvio
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 della stagione.
Questo si chiama "centrare il punto"
Z

Questo si chiama "centrare il punto"
Beh, c'č molta differenza tra una clausola contrattuale che impedisca
al compagno di squadra di MS di vedere la sua telemetria (e magari non
il contrario), come sembrava volessi intendere tu, e il fatto che MS
abbia chiesto al team di non rendere disponibile la sua telemetria al
compagno (che non č un obbligo sportivo di un pilota di F1).
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Ciao, Muttley