Newsgroup: it.sport.formula1.moderato
Titolo: Questione Giro 1, cosa ha trovato FORIX

FORIX è fatto anche dagli utenti, quindi sottopongo agli interessati il 
testo dell'e-mail che mi ha inviato JP, assieme ai risulati a cui è 
pervenuto controllando il DB.
Commenti e suggerimenti sono apprezzati, il testo è purtroppo in 
inglese.
The attached excel sheet lists all single lap participations since 93. 
93 is the last Olivetti year and all fastest lap sheets include those 
drivers - as had happened ever before -, the same continuing in 94. 95 
is the first year where the start and finish lines are offsetted - apart 
from some odd cases such as the Long Beach GPs and Belgium in 83 - and 
there seems to be a rule: for offsetted GP don't consider the first lap, 
unless the offset is small (95-Germany).
Then there is a odd situation in 96-Spain, when the lap of Irvine is 
taken into account but not Panis' and Fisichella's. We may find a 
justification in the fact the latter two entered into the pits at the 
end of the first lap, but the same occured in 97-Germany and then all 
laps were considered. No coherence at all...
Since 98 all first laps are excluded from the fastest lap sheet,
irrespective of any offset. Again this is a rule that goes against
established history.
I agree the first lap is different from the rest in two ways:
1 - it can be shorter, if there is a negative offset
2 - the distance is different for each driver
However, does those differences imply we should ignore single laps 
because the fastest laps list would become wrong ?
Point '2' should be dismissed because single lap times are used for 
ordering the race positions (as in 97-Germany for example), and as such 
they are good enough for ordering in the fastest laps list.
Due to the negative offset it is indeed easier for the first lap of a 
top driver to be faster than the fastest lap of a lesser competitor, and 
it is possible to have a single lap top driver ordered in the middle of 
the fastest lap list because he did complete less distance. Of course 
this would be incorrect, but has this ever happen ?
In the "offsetted age" this occured only once, in 95-Germany with Hill.
However the offset is very small and in any case the official fastest 
laps sheet shows Hill in 17th from 22. In all other cases the single lap 
drivers are at the bottom of the list and there is no point in removing 
them altogether.
Even if the offset is null and all drivers started in parallel, it is 
fully understood that a standing started first lap is different from all 
the others, so I intend to keep showing first lap fastest laps, knowing 
that any comparison should take that into consideration.
Allego l'estratto del file di excel pervenutomi.
offset	G.Prix	Driver	Official
0	South Africa	Ukyo Katayama	Y
0	San Marino	Thierry Boutsen	Y
0	Germany	A.de Cesaris	Y
0	Brazil	Olivier Beretta	Y
0	Brazil	Bertrand Gachot	Y
0	San Marino	Ayrton Senna	Y
0	San Marino	Erik Comas	Y
-166	Argentina	A.Montermini	N
0	Canada	David Coulthard	Y
-13	Germany	Damon Hill	Y
0	Belgium	Mika Hakkinen	Y
-204	Japan	Roberto Moreno	N
0	Australia	Martin Brundle	Y
0	Europe	Jean Alesi	Y
-141	Spain	Eddie Irvine	Y
-141	Spain	Olivier Panis	N	? (pit)
-141	Spain	G.Fisichella	N	? (pit)
0	Canada	Eddie Irvine	Y	
0	Hungary	Pedro Diniz	Y	
-38	Italy	David Coulthard	Y	
0	Australia	Ralf Schumacher	Y	
0	Monaco	Damon Hill	Y	
0	Monaco	Mika Hakkinen	Y	
0	Monaco	David Coulthard	Y	
0	Canada	J.Villeneuve	Y	
0	Germany	H-H.Frentzen	Y	(pit)
0	Germany	Eddie Irvine	Y	(pit)
0	Germany	David Coulthard	Y	(pit)
0	Austria	Mika Hakkinen	Y	
-17	Luxembourg	Ukyo Katayama	Y	
-17	Luxembourg	Tarso Marques	Y	
0	Australia	Ralf Schumacher	N
0	Australia	Jan Magnussen	N
0	Australia	T.Takagi	N
0	Austria	Mika Salo	N
-262	Italy	G.Fisichella	N
-262	Italy	Pedro Diniz	N
0	Australia	Johnny Herbert	N
-127	Spain	Jean Alesi	N
-127	Spain	Pedro de la Rosa	N
-265	Italy	Johnny Herbert	N
0	Malaysia	Olivier Panis	N
0	Austria	Mika Hakkinen	N
0	Canada	Nick Heidfeld	N
0	Canada	Eddie Irvine	N
-17	Belgium	J.P.Montoya	N
-17	Belgium	Pedro de la Rosa	N
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*.#14
Chi mette sotto contratto Raikkonen è siemo

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Magari se non segavi la colonna dell'anno si capiva di più...
Grazie comunque.
Mauro