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Ma che cazzo di finale č? Mi ha fatto rimpiangere i cliffhanger di Abrams.
Samuele 


Spoiler della prossima stagione 7, in onda negli USA a Settembre:
http://spoilerfix.com/gg.php
I creatori/produttori originali, i Palladino, non fanno più parte della produzione. 
E' rimasto Rosenthal a dirigere il tutto. La fine della stagione 6 andata in onda da noi questa sera
mostra evidentemente come i Palladino abbiano voluto mettere in difficoltà la produzione creando un
finale che sarà difficile da gestire e ribaltare, praticamente un finale della serie. Rosenthal
dovrà fare l'impossibile per far funzionare la stagione 7 o la serie chiuderà. 
E' evidente che, come successo con Alias, i Palladino abbiano litigato con Rosenthal ed il network,
così come J.J.Abrams aveva litigato con gli altri produttori di Alias. Chi ne fa le spese è la serie
e di conseguenza il pubblico.

 serie e di conseguenza il pubblico.
Veramente non è vero qusi nulla di quello che dici. I Palla non hanno 
per nulla litigato con Rosenthal, hanno litigato col network (che si è 
rifiutato di prolungare il loro contratto di due anni e di aumentargli 
lo staff). Rosenthal (che cmq equivale al primo che passa per la strada, 
la settima stagione sarà solo fanfiction) non c'entra nulla, è solo il 
sostituto. E la settima stagione sarà cmq l'ultima.
Ah, e non è vero che questo finale di stagione è stato fatto per 
metterlo nei casini... era scritto *già da prima* che scoprissero che il 
network li avrebbe tagliati fuori, era il normale finale di stagione... 
anzi, io penso che, ad averlo saputo prima, la Palla avrebbe fatto 
qualcosa di diverso, avrebbe dato un qualche senso di chiusura a quello 
che diventa il finale di serie. E invece abbiamo questa cosa...
Solo che era, ovviamente, solo un passaggio e la Palla ovviamente aveva 
in mente come risolvere questo casino mostruoso. Ora invece non sapremo 
mai nulla.
La Palla ha cmq detto che se la dovessero chiamare per scrivere il 
finale, se la direzione che prenderà questa stagione postuma dovesse 
cmq, casualmente, essere riconducibile a quello che doveva essere la 
stagione vera, allora lo farebbe. Ma nessuno l'ha avvicinata per 
chiederle qualcosa di simile.
La mia unica speranza è che lo facciano, altrimenti GG è finito in 
questo modo merdoso.
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24 April 2006
"Gilmore" Guy: Who is New Showrunner David Rosenthal?
A few days later and I am still processing the news that Gilmore Girls showrunner Amy
Sherman-Palladino--and her exceptionally talented husband, writer and producer Daniel
Palladino--announced their departure from the whip-smart drama after six seasons. The news wouldn't
be such a blow, save for the fact that Gilmore Girls is as much about Amy and Daniel as it is about
Lorelai and Rory.
In their capable hands, the show explored a supremely complicated family dynamic through the
beautiful friendship of mother and daughter Lorelai and Rory... and did so with smart dialogue
usually found in a Nick & Nora film rather than on television. Zany subplots abounded as did quirky,
beloved supporting characters. And now, after six seasons (including this most recent--and very
shaky--season where Amy and Daniel wrote less episodes than usual), Amy and Daniel are passing on
the showrunning torch to... Dave Rosenthal?!?
For those of you in the audience unfamiliar with David Rosenthal, here's a quick primer on his
credits. He joined the Gilmore Girls writing staff at the beginning of the 2005-2006 season and has
only written one episode of the show--"The UnGraduate"--to date (though his second scripted episode,
"Super Cool Party People," airs tomorrow night). Prior to Gilmore Girls, his writing credits
included the abysmal comedies Hope & Faith and Good Morning, Miami and he served as an executive
producer on Spin City. Hardly the guy you'd expect to take over the reins from Amy to oversee
Gilmore Girls.
Hoping to learn more about this guy, I tracked down a rather infamous Los Angeles Times Magazine
article on Rosenthal, written by Janet Reitman, from 2002, entitled "The Loneliness of the
Long-Distance Ranter." Informative reading to say the least. According to Reitman, Rosenthal's
success in Hollywood was meteoric by anyone's standards. A 1989 graduate of the University of
Pennsylvania and the son of a rabbi, Rosenthal moved to Los Angeles shortly after graduation to
pursue his dream of writing sitcoms.
Within a year, Rosenthal swiftly jumped from being a production assistant on Anything but Love (a
sitcom which starred Richard Lewis and Jamie Lee Curtis) to staff writer on the same show; then two
years later, another jump, this time to a head writer position on Ellen (yes, that Ellen; Rosenthal
stayed for three years and then was reportedly fired). After a year-long stint developing sitcoms
for Jeffrey Katzenberg, he was hired as a writer on Michael J. Fox's sitcom Spin City... and was
quickly promoted to showrunner. Rosenthal married a fellow Spin City writer, bought a house and a
Porsche, and landed a lucrative $2.5 million contract with Fox Television. By all accounts,
Rosenthal seemed to have the perfect life.
But that's just the surface.
Going through my rolodex of Hollywood contacts, I stumbled upon someone who had actually worked with
Dave Rosenthal in the past. I asked if I could ask her a few questions about Rosenthal and she
agreed, as long as I maintained her anonymity. For that purpose, I'll refer to her by the pseudonym
"Julia Thorn." (Ten points to whoever gets the reference.) A few years ago, "Julia" had worked in
the same office as Rosenthal and became close to him.
I asked "Julia" how she would describe Rosenthal, based on the time they worked together. "When I
knew him I felt like I had him pegged," she said. "He had just come off a big show, had lots of
money, he was very young and successful and wanted to take advantage of it. He was always nice to
me, but he definitely had this very arrogant air about him. It was like an air of entitlement or
something. Like he was invincible and at the top of the world... My boss used to always say that his
crash was coming soon, because he rose too fast, too easily."
And so did he crash? "The guy quit Spin City in order to concentrate on writing a play about his
desire to have sex with Heidi Klum," Julia told me. "Dropped out of TV completely to do this. He
pretty much had a breakdown, dropped out of society, and became the madman writing a misogynist
play. He lived like this until his dad read the play and actually had him committed."
What?!? After speaking to Julia, I did some more digging. Rosenthal had in fact written a play
called "Love" about his quest to get supermodel Heidi Klum to have sex with him. Reviews of the
play, which apparently contained so many profanities that it rated an NC-17, were not kind. The New
York Times called Rosenthal's play "not only offensive but incompetent" and said that the way that
Rosenthal talked about Klum--whom he had met during a guest stint on Rosenthal's show Spin City--was
"as cruel and disgusting as actual stalking."
The New York Times reviewer wasn't the only one perturbed by Rosenthal's play. Rosenthal had sent
copies to his then agents at Endeavor--Ari Emanuel and Richard Weitz--who promptly dropped him as a
client. His rabbi father, after reading the play, had Rosenthal briefly committed at UCLA Medical
Center. Wait, what?
In 2001, Rosenthal appeared on Howard Stern's radio show and spoke about the incident. While I was
unable to obtain a transcript of Rosenthal's appearance on the show, I did manage to find a fan site
which paraphrased the appearance. According to site MarksFriggin.com, "David said he flew into L.A.
one day after working in Miami and his father was there with two bodyguards who told him to come
along peaceably or they'd have to take him by force. He was then committed to a mental hospital
where they tried to make him take drugs. David said his lawyer sister was able to get him out when
she threatened his father with a lawsuit. Howard found all of this fascinating. According to David
there's a law in California that says a family member can have you committed to a mental institution
for 72 hours if they tell a psychologist that you're mental."
So, how had Rosenthal, a formerly brilliant, determined, and successful writer, hit rock bottom?
According to Janet Reitman in her aforementioned Los Angeles Times Magazine profile, the problem was
Rosenthal's sudden and complete infatuation with Klum:
    "What propelled Rosenthal into his downward spiral was the sudden realization that all he really
wanted from life was to have sex with supermodel Heidi Klum, an occasional guest star on Spin City
whom Rosenthal describes as 'the most beautiful woman I've ever met.'
    He found Klum smart, sensitive, sweet, beautiful--yet another revelation, given that, as an
industry man, Rosenthal had previously thought of beautiful women as 'pieces of meat.' He would
marry Heidi Klum, he realized, if only she weren't already married. The idea of that was too much
for him, so Rosenthal decided the sensible thing to do was to quit Fox, divorce his wife, sell his
Porsche and give more than $1 million, in $52,000 grants, to 20 young women, several of whom he'd
never met, but whose artistic pursuits he believed in."
A "scholarship" for young women? Rosenthal called his cash giveaway "The Creators" and there were no
strings attached for the young women who received his scholarships. They were all wannabe writers or
actresses, many from the assistant pool where Rosenthal worked at Fox, whom he wanted to help
achieve their dreams and work on their craft. According to Reitman, Rosenthal's scholarship fund
donated $1000 per week for one year to 20 women so that they could "create art--any kind of art,
from writing to painting to acting." Were any of the women he supported successful? I'm not sure.
What was Rosenthal's impetus to begin a project like this? Again, I'm not sure anyone but Rosenthal
knows that. It's a curious juxtaposition, though: this desire to support young, creative women
achieve their dreams set against what many decried as the innate misogyny of his play.
At the time Reitman wrote her profile, Rosenthal was living in virtual exile in New York, but he has
since returned to Los Angeles, a city that once supported and then shunned him, and is now poised to
take over as showrunner on Gilmore Girls. I asked "Julia" what she thought of the announcement.
"Apparently, he did get a lot of help when he was committed, and I imagine he came back to Hollywood
with his tail between his legs to a certain extent, so I think he is grateful to have the job," she
told me. "I don't think that anyone can really run [Gilmore Girls] besides Amy and Dan. I think this
is going to be like Aaron Sorkin leaving West Wing. I think [Rosenthal] is a decent choice, but the
show will never be Gilmore Girls again."
We may never know the reason behind the decision to replace Amy Sherman-Palladino with Rosenthal as
Gilmore Girls' showrunner and my research has only left me with more questions than answers. I am
trying to separate my own feelings about the hand-over, yet I can't help but feel that Rosenthal is
an odd choice to run a show about two intelligent and headstrong women.
What's On Tonight
8 pm: The King of Queens/How I Met Your Mother (CBS); Deal or No Deal (NBC); 7th Heaven (WB); Wife
Swap (ABC); Prison Break (FOX); Major League Baseball (UPN)
9 pm: Two and a Half Men/The New Adventures of Old Christine (CBS); The Apprentice (NBC); Everwood
(WB); Supernanny (ABC); 24 (FOX)
10 pm: CSI: Miami (CBS); Medium (NBC); What About Brian (ABC)
What I'll Be Watching
7 pm: Anthony Bourdain: No Reservations. (That's 10 pm for you East Coasters... or Left Coasters
who'd rather catch the later showing.)
This week, everyone's favorite sarcastic chef, writer, and Travel Channel host jets off to Sweden,
the land of model-esque women, meatballs, and modular furniture.
8 pm: 5 Takes: Pacific Rim.
This week, the gang heads to the eerily sounding Northern Territory of Australia. Honestly, I don't
care what they do, I love this show that much.
9:30 pm: Old Christine.
In tonight's episode ("Teach Your Children Well"), Christine throws an arts-and-crafts party for son
Ritchie, instead of giving into pressure to throw a glitzy affair. It's a kid's birthday party,
Christine, I'm on your side. Play some pin-the-tail-on-the-donkey, unwrap some presents, hand out
some cake, and call it a day.
10 pm: Elizabeth I.
Rather than miss all of the above, I'll catch the second airing of Part 2 of HBO's lavish biopic of
Queen Elizabeth I over on HBO2. Elizabeth (the incomparable Helen Mirren), torn between the Earl of
Leicester and the Earl of Essex, must balance her personal desires with a strategic marriage. Will
she give in? Something--namely history--tells me no.
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http://televisionary.blogspot.com/2006/04/gilmore-guy-who-is-new-showrunner.html
Se questo top-quoting era per dire che ci sono voci che dicono che 
Rosenthal è un cazzone... be', lo si sa, ma in realtà... non ha molta 
(nessuna) importanza... anche fosse Spielberg questa rimane una stagione 
apocrifa e l'unica speranza è che per caso (per caso! Non c'è altro 
modo) la direzione rimanga quella che voleva la Palla e che per miracolo 
la CW la chiami per il finale.
Cmq l'intervista di Michal Ausiello con i Palla sta qua:
http://community.tvguide.com/thread.jspa?threadID=700000966&tstart=30&mod=1145952677082
Qui dicono tutto quello che c'è da dire. Parlano pure bene del tipo, ma 
ripeto, non importa nulla...
Ausiello: Well, I can tell you that Dave Rosenthal is taking over.
Amy: We know Dave Rosenthal. We hired him.
Ausiello: Is the show in good hands?
Amy: Dave's a great guy. He's a great guy. He has credits up the arse.
Questa è la parte importante:
Ausiello: Might you guys consult [with Rosenthal]?
Amy: No.
Ausiello: If next year is the last year, is there a possibility of you 
guys going back to do the finale?
Amy: There's been no talk of that.
Ausiello: But is it a possibility?
Dan: We're living a day at a time here, Mike.
Amy: Dude, I plan on being on crack in an hour. I'm going to be with 
Whitney Houston in that bathroom of hers.
Ausiello: So you wouldn't rule out returning for the finale?
Amy: A lot of it's gonna depend on where the show goes next year. I have 
very strong, emotional feelings about things - some are rational, some 
are not. [Laughs] It's going to be a whole different trip next year, 
with different story lines that don't come out of my head, so I think 
that's something that's really hard to talk about at this point. 
Especially since I plan on being drunk the entire year.
-- 
Laz - [ 
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
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http://www.josswhedon.it
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http://www.miltoncaniff.net
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"There ain't no such thing as a free lunch" 

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[cut sull'ennesimo articolo copiato/incollato in fastidioso top-quoting]
Ad essere sincero dai un po' l'idea di postare le cose leggendone solo 
due parole a caso, ma cmq, contento tu... 8-)
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"We came, we saw, we kicked its ass!" 

due parole a caso, ma cmq, contento tu... 8-)
Tu invece ti senti l'onnipotente so-tutto-io, vero ? Ma per favore ! 
Sei il classico tipo che tenta di aprire una flame appena qualcuno osa ribattere a ciò che dice. E
quindi prendi ed insulti. Puerile.

 osa ribattere a ciò che dice. E quindi prendi ed insulti. Puerile.
Ma il fatto che io abbia documentato quello che ho scritto e tu no, non 
ti fa pensare, magari lontanamente, che sei solo tu a postare con 
leggerezza notizie imprecise alla "TGcom"? Come con Alias, che l'altra 
volta le tue "notizie" erano state smentite in 5 minuti e ora le 
riproponi in background dicendo "come era già successo con Alias". Ma 
non era successo con Alias. E nemmeno con GG. (Be', quindi in effetti da 
un certo punto di vista è vero che è come con Alias...)
Mah! Strane cose.
-- 
Laz - [ 
http://www.dimensionedelta.net
 ]
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http://www.miltoncaniff.net
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"I'm a leaf on the wind. Watch how I soar!" 

Mah! Strane cose.
Ok, i link in inglese che ho postato per te non sono una documentazione, evidentemente o conosci
poco la lingua inglese o capisci quello che ti pare di ciò che leggi e comunque sia devi rigirare
tutto per darti ragione ad ogni costo perchè pretendi di avere l'ultima parola e sputare sentenze
pur di dare torto alle persone con cui discuti. 
Evidentemente hai un atteggiamento infantile, non so quanti anni tu abbia, ma io non mi comportavo
così neppure a 5 anni.

 abbia, ma io non mi comportavo così neppure a 5 anni.
Si vede chiaramente, non hai mai passato i due.
E  ovviamente non hai risposto a UN punto che sia uno... ma è naturale, 
non hai niente da dire.
Addio, mi spiace per chi ti dovrà leggere ancora.
Laz 

Ma che cazzo di finale è? Mi ha fatto rimpiangere i cliffhanger di Abrams.
Semplice, non è un finale, ed infatti ci sarà una settima stagione... ma
non vorrei essere nei panni degli autori, chiunque essi siano.
-- 
Deejay Raf