Newsgroup: it.fan.asimov
Titolo: The "left-wing of psychohistory" mailing list

I've just sent this out by email...
In recent messages, I have been encouraging left-wing people who are
interested in discussing about modelling history using psychological
techniques in order to predict and affect the future to subscribe to the
"left-wing of psychohistory" mailing list at 
topica.com
.
I have just been booted off that list so I no longer consider it a
useful place for socialists to go to. The person who runs that list is
Bob/Robert Scharf (Cloudbubub@a...). He had seemed friendly and he
made some useful points which helped me formulate replies to get across
my ideas. However, he seems to be indoctrinated with the sort of ideas
that the cult leader deMause is putting forward. Since his list arose
out of a split from deMause (prompted by differing responses to the
planes flying into the New York buildings in 2001) it is reasonable to
assume that his list is heavily populated by people in or around
deMause's cult (known as the "Institute of Psychohistory"). This was
confirmed by the messages sent by other members of that list since I
joined it.
This is not the first time I have been censored when using mailing lists
on the internet. I first got across many of my views about conspiracies
(especially about infiltration by left and right wing forces in
socialist organisations and society generally) on two mailing lists -
the UK left network at yahoogroups and the international socialism
discussion list at topica. Neither list was "moderated" in that messages
were normally sent out immediately (subject to arbitrary delays at the
servers, which were sometimes caused by infiltration in my opinion).
This was essential for me, since my messages were highly controversial.
On both lists, I was able to get across my views without hindrance until
the discussion came to a fairly good point to close, in December 2000.
Then, the pseudo-moderator of the UK left network (Phil Hamilton) mailed
me to say that I would no longer be allowed to send messages to it
unless I promised not to mention infiltration. I was not prepared to
agree to this, so I had to make do with other lists, including the
international socialism discussion list. Considerably later, last year,
the pseudo-moderator of the international socialism discussion list
(Richard Mellor) booted me off that list, apparently because his
organisation (Labor's Militant Voice) had had a discussion and decided
that I was dominating the list too much. Because of Phil's and Richard's
help in the past I feel that it is the pressure from other list
members/members of their organisations that caused them to take action
against me - it could be the same with Bob Scharf.
Incidentally, I am now allowed to post again to the UK left network and
this message is going there. [I started posting again using a different
account and then Phil told me that restrictions on me had been lifted.]
Lists to which nobody has to approve additions and for which messages
are sent out immediately, and for which archives are accessible by
non-members, are much better than other sorts of list. The facts that
Bob has to approve additions to his list and that archives are only
accessible to list members mean that it is understandable that his list
is not the ideal place for discussing psyhohistorical ideas on the
internet.
Therefore, I recommend socialists (and others on the side of the working
class) who are interested in psychohistory (especially Asimov's variety)
to subscribe to the psychohistory list at 
yahoogroups.com
. You can do
that by sending an email to psychohistory-subscribe@y...
Comradely,
Steve.
PS I am BCCing this message to people on Bob's list (including Bob
himself) who have sent messages to that list since I joined. I am also
BCCing it to Richard Mellor.
--
Steve Wallis, a member of South Manchester Socialist Alliance
My socialist web page - 
http://www.stevewallis.org
Also involved in the Coalition Against Sanctions and War on Iraq
(
http://www.stevewallis.org/iraq
)
The start of my autobiography, 'Transition', is now available on the web
at: 
http://www.stevewallis.org/transition.htm

...
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I've read the "Foundation" series also - THEY'RE JUST SCI-FI BOOKS YOU
MORON!
Just as I've taught these "trotsky trolls" in the past, you have to
learn to differentiate between the real world and the fantasy world
that delusional characters such as you can formulate in your
wacked-out minds.

 "Institute of Psychohistory").
What were the differing responses of the two factions?
srd

 srd
One was that the U.S. deserved it because of it's "evil" foreign policies.  The
others were based on long term psychological reasons.
Of course, Wallis will probably say it was because of "big business", you know,
that cult called capitalism.
Stan