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Titolo: Il centrodestra fiorentino ed i mali della città

COMUNICATO STAMPA
Firenze, 27 Settembre 2004
GIOCOLI (FI): «CHE CI FA IL CENTURIONE ROMANO IN VIA CALIMALA?»
«Chi ha dato l'autorizzazione all'artista di strada vestito da centurione
romano che staziona ormai da alcuni giorni in via Calimala?». E' quanto
domanda la consigliera di Forza Italia Bianca Maria Giocoli.
«Alla stregua dei centurioni romani che stazionano davanti al Colosseo a
Roma - ha aggiunto la Giocoli - anche Firenze ha il suo antico romano
vestito di tutto punto e pronto a farsi fotografare dai turisti. Ma se
proprio non si poteva evitare questo spettacolo kitsch non sarebbe stato piů
logico e rispondente alla nostra storia un artista di strada con costumi
medioevali o rinascimentali?». (fn)
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 GIOCOLI (FI): «CHE CI FA IL CENTURIONE ROMANO IN VIA CALIMALA?»
...tra lui e Donzelli mi faccio la risata
quotidiana per le "interrogazioni".
...dico, ma si pagano anche?
Ma per favore!
Saluti
GianfraH, che per par condicio bisognerebbe scriver
le cazzate di tutti, ma cosi' non scatta il fleim... :p

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Questa di Giocoli č quasi al livello di quella di Pieri, sempre di Forza
Italia, sul mancato patrocinio del Comune al convegno sugli Ufo.
Comunque ho in serbo un post sull'ultima impresa di Cioni, ma la perla di
Giocoli merita la precedenza.

 romano che staziona ormai da alcuni giorni in via Calimala?».
E chi se ne frega.
Allora forzaioli, radicalame vario, alleati nazionali... Queste armi
chimiche di Saddam quando saltano fuori?


Forse trova un modo per guadagnarsi da vivere, non essendo stato tra i
fortunati inclusi nel milione di posti di lavoro
......ma con tutti i problemi che ci sono in una città, si possono fare
interrogazioni così cretine?

 Giocoli merita la precedenza.
Ti prego, illuminami sulle vicissitudini del mio 
supereroe sovrappeso preferito! :)
Saluti
GianfraH
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Deusu a' fattu is stampusu
po non crepai is fiancusu

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eccole qua:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_events/html/chemical_warfare.stm


http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/middle_east/02/iraq_events/html/chemical_warfare.stm
Ottimo articolo; interessanti soprattutto le date ed il trafiletto che lo
conclude, che riporto qui di seguito a perenne memoria.
A UN security council statement condemning Iraq's use of chemical weapons in
the war was issued in 1986, but the US and other western governments
continued supporting Baghdad militarily and politically into the closing
stages of the war.


Come?
Ti sei perso Cioni e la carica dei 101?

 Ti sei perso Cioni e la carica dei 101?
Illustra... vado a fare un intervento, piglio
un panino a i'volo e son qui :)
Saluti
GianfraH

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COMUNICATO STAMPA
Firenze, 25 Settembre 2004
ACCATTONAGGIO CON I CANI, LA POLIZIA MUNICIPALE SGOMINA BANDA DI RUMENI
"Importavano" cuccioli di cani dall'estero per utilizzarli nell'attività di
accattonaggio. Ma sono stati scoperti e denunciati dal reparto anti degrado
della Polizia Municipale. L'operazione "Carica dei 101" è stata illustrata
dall'assessore alla sicurezza e vivibilità Graziano Cioni, ...
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 chimiche di Saddam quando saltano fuori?
questo è ancora meglio, nella speranza che possa mettere fine a questo
dibattito:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/26/opinion/26obeidi.html
Saddam, the Bomb and Me
By MAHDI OBEIDI
While the final report from Charles A. Duelfer, the top American inspector
of Iraq's covert weapons programs, won't be released for a few weeks, the
portions that have already been made public touch on many of the experiences
I had while working as the head of Saddam Hussein's nuclear centrifuge
program. Now that I am living in the United States, I hope to answer some of
the most important questions that remain.
What was really going in Iraq before the American invasion last year? Iraq's
nuclear weapons program was on the threshold of success before the 1991
invasion of Kuwait - there is no doubt in my mind that we could have
produced dozens of nuclear weapons within a few years - but was stopped in
its tracks by United Nations weapons inspectors after the Persian Gulf war
and was never restarted. During the 1990's, the inspectors discovered all of
the laboratories, machines and materials we had used in the nuclear program,
and all were destroyed or otherwise incapacitated.
By 1998, when Saddam Hussein evicted the weapons inspectors from Iraq, all
that was left was the dangerous knowledge of hundreds of scientists and the
blueprints and prototype parts for the centrifuge, which I had buried under
a tree in my garden.
In addition to the inspections, the sanctions that were put in place by the
United Nations after the gulf war made reconstituting the program
impossible. During the 1980's, we had relied heavily on the international
black market for equipment and technology; the sanctions closed that avenue.
Another factor in the mothballing of the program was that Saddam Hussein was
profiting handsomely from the United Nations oil-for-food program, building
palaces around the country with the money he skimmed. I think he didn't want
to risk losing this revenue stream by trying to restart a secret weapons
program.
Over the course of the 1990's, most of the scientists from the nuclear
program switched to working on civilian projects or in conventional-weapons
production, and the idea of building a nuclear bomb became a vague dream
from another era.
So, how could the West have made such a mistaken assessment of the nuclear
program before the invasion last year? Even to those of us who knew better,
it's fairly easy to see how observers got the wrong impression. First, there
was Saddam Hussein's history. He had demonstrated his desire for nuclear
weapons since the late 1970's, when Iraqi scientists began making progress
on a nuclear reactor. He had used chemical weapons against his own people
and against Iran during the 1980's. After the 1991 war, he had tried to hide
his programs in weapons of mass destruction for as long as possible (he even
kept my identity secret from weapons inspectors until 1995). It would have
been hard not to suspect him of trying to develop such weapons again.
The Western intelligence services and policy makers, however, overlooked
some obvious clues. One was the defection and death of Saddam Hussein's
son-in-law, Hussein Kamel, who was in charge of the unconventional weapons
programs in the 1980's.
As my boss, Mr. Kamel was a brutal taskmaster who forced us to work under
impossible deadlines and was the motivating force for our nuclear effort.
The drive for nuclear weapons began in earnest when he rose to a position of
power in 1987. He placed a detail of 20 fearsome security men on the
premises of our centrifuge lab, and my staff and I worked wonders just to
stay out of his dungeons. But after he defected to Jordan in 1995, and then
returned months later only to be assassinated by his father-in-law's
henchmen, the nuclear, chemical and biological weapons programs lost their
top promoter.
In addition, the West never understood the delusional nature of Saddam
Hussein's mind. By 2002, when the United States and Britain were threatening
war, he had lost touch with the reality of his diminished military might. By
that time I had been promoted to director of projects for the country's
entire military-industrial complex, and I witnessed firsthand the fantasy
world in which he was living. He backed mythic but hopeless projects like
one for a long-range missile that was completely unrealistic considering the
constraints of international sanctions. The director of another struggling
missile project, when called upon to give a progress report, recited a poem
in the dictator's honor instead. Not only did he not go to prison, Saddam
Hussein applauded him.
By 2003, as the American invasion loomed, the tyrant was alternately working
on his next trashy novel and giving lunatic orders like burning oil around
Baghdad to "hide" the city from bombing attacks. Unbelievably, one of my
final assignments was to prepare a 10-year plan for military-industrial
works, even as tens of thousands of troops were gathering for invasion.
To the end, Saddam Hussein kept alive the Iraqi Atomic Energy Commission,
staffed by junior scientists involved in research completely unrelated to
nuclear weapons, just so he could maintain the illusion in his mind that he
had a nuclear program. Sort of like the emperor with no clothes, he fooled
himself into believing he was armed and dangerous. But unlike that
fairy-tale ruler, Saddam Hussein fooled the rest of the world as well.
Was Iraq a potential threat to the United States and the world? Threat is
always a matter of perception, but our nuclear program could have been
reinstituted at the snap of Saddam Hussein's fingers. The sanctions and the
lucrative oil-for-food program had served as powerful deterrents, but world
events - like Iran's current efforts to step up its nuclear ambitions -
might well have changed the situation.
Iraqi scientists had the knowledge and the designs needed to jumpstart the
program if necessary. And there is no question that we could have done so
very quickly. In the late 1980's, we put together the most efficient covert
nuclear program the world has ever seen. In about three years, we gained the
ability to enrich uranium and nearly become a nuclear threat; we built an
effective centrifuge from scratch, even though we started with no knowledge
of centrifuge technology. Had Saddam Hussein ordered it and the world looked
the other way, we might have shaved months if not years off our previous
efforts.
So what now? The dictator may be gone, but that doesn't mean the nuclear
problem is behind us. Even under the watchful eyes of Saddam Hussein's
security services, there were worries that our scientists might escape to
other countries or sell their knowledge to the highest bidder. This
expertise is even more valuable today, with nuclear technology ever more
available on the black market and a proliferation of peaceful energy
programs around the globe that use equipment easily converted to military
use.
Hundreds of my former staff members and fellow scientists possess knowledge
that could be useful to a rogue nation eager for a covert nuclear weapons
program. The vast majority are technicians who, like the rest of us, care
first about their families and their livelihoods. It is vital that the
United States ensure they get good and constructive jobs in postwar Iraq.
The most accomplished of my former colleagues could be brought, at least
temporarily, to the West and placed at universities, research labs and
private companies.
The United States invaded Iraq in part to end what it saw as a nuclear
danger. It is now vital to reduce the chance of Iraq's dangerous knowledge
spilling outside of its borders. The nuclear dangers facing the world are
growing, not decreasing. My hope is that the Iraqi example can help people
understand how best to deal with this threat.
Mahdi Obeidi is the author of "The Bomb in My Garden: The Secrets of
Saddam's Nuclear Mastermind." Kurt Pitzer, who collaborated on the book,
assisted with this article.

 L'operazione "Carica dei 101"
ROTFL!
Mi basta cosi'... :DDD
Saluti
GianfraH

 Italia, sul mancato patrocinio del Comune al convegno sugli Ufo.
ICCHEEEE'???
-- 
Gert dal Pozzo
"Io chiedo quando sarà che l'uomo potrà imparare a vivere senza ammazzare"
(Guccini)

 eccole qua:
Va beh, anche l'Italia uso' i gas in Abissinia, ma non per questo ci
vengono a invadere...
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Sono alto un metro e settanta, senza tacchi.

 vengono a invadere...
e difatti non hanno invaso per il mero motivo della presenza delle armi di
distruzione di massa. hanno invaso *anche* per quel motivo.

 distruzione di massa. hanno invaso *anche* per quel motivo.
Io sto a quel che dicevano gli americani: dici che non ci si puo' fidare
della loro parola?
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Io non credo che gli Interni ti interessino tanto più che li' si rischia 
tutto, al G8 c'e' perfino il rischio che ci scappi il morto... Invece, 
i Beni culturali... (CDS, 11/05/2001, mentre rifiuta gli Interni a urbani)