Newsgroup: it.news.gruppi
Titolo: (AAD informel) à propos de la future hiérarchie europ[e].* de Usenet, à créer le jeudi 4 janvier 2001

Cet AAD, destiné aux utilisateurs potentiels de la nouvelle hiérarchie,
a pour objet de mettre au point des éléments importants. La discussion
devrait avoir lieu dans le forum news:news.admin.hierarchies ¹ mais les
lecteurs sont encouragés à publier des copies de cet AAD, si possible
traduites, dans des forums tels que fr.usenet.forums.evolution, tout en
indiquant que les réponses devraient être publiées dans le forum
													--->       news.admin.hierarchies ¹		<---
¹ forum dont la plupart des articles sont actuellement rédigés en
anglais (+ quelques articles «franco-anglais») - environ 115 art. (Free)
Motif 	(ou : Raison)
Une nouvelle hiérarchie de forums, multilingue, est nécessaire pour
discuter des thèmes concernant le continent européen. Chacun [chaque
Européen, dit l'original - note de Lo'] pourra s'y exprimer dans la
langue de son choix. 		[dans sa langue maternelle /ou/ nationale] (?)
1) Choix du nom de la hiérarchie : (a) ou (b)
 
a) La hiérarchie sera nommée europe.*
b) La hiérarchie sera nommée europ.*
2) Forums initiaux
La liste suivante de forums est une suggestion (pour commencer,
le 4 janvier). Certains d'entre eux deviendront probablement des 
sous-hiérarchies. Le préfixe 'europe' sera modifié selon le résultat de
la discussion portant sur le choix entre : 'europ', 'europe' ou autre.
europe.agenda 	Annonces d'événements  {Events, dates and announcements}
europe.biz
 	Le commerce européen (transfrontière, transnational)
europe.eu
 	L'Union européenne
europe.eu.euro 	La monnaie unique, l'euro
europe.ecologie L'environnement en Europe, l'écologie à l'échelle europ.
europe.futball 	Le football
europe.general 	Tous les thèmes non couverts par les autres forums
europe.information 	FAQs (foires aux questions), réponses et conseils
europe.migration 	Les déplacements et changements de résidence en Europe
europe.news.evolution 	Discussions sur la création de nouveaux forums ²
europe.politik 	La politique
europe.teknik 	La technologie
europe.telecom 	Les services et opérateurs de télécommunications en Eur.
europe.voyages 	Les voyages
²{en} europe.news.evolution: Creation of new newsgroups & general policy
3) Gestion
a) Initialement, la gestion de la hiérarchie europ[e] sera effectuée par
une personne digne de la confiance de la majorité des personnes
intéressées par cette hiérarchie.
b) La gestion sera réalisée par un comité élu, comprenant
- 2 représentants de chacun des nations européennes les plus peuplées,
- plus 4 personnes représentant les autres nations (telles que
la Belgique, la Croatie ou l'Écosse).
Procédure
Le présent article constitue un appel à discussion informel, qui ne sera
pas suivi d'un appel à voter ni par conséquent d'un vote. Les réponses
constructives sont bienvenues et influeront nettement sur la mise en
place de la future hiérarchie europ[e].*  (date de lancement 4/01/2001).

This is an informal Request For Discussion ( RFD) 
 concerning the new europ[e].* usenet hierarchy to be created on
January 4th 2001
The purpose of this RFD is for potential users of the new hierarchy to
discuss important details which need to be fixed before the launch
date. Discussion should take place in news.admin.hierachies but
readers are encouraged to post copies of this RFD to european national
and language hierarchies, with translations where possible, indicating
that responses should be sent to news.admin.hierarchies.
Rationale.
A new hierarchy of newsgroups for topics covering the continent of
Europe is needed. This will enable discussion between people from
different european countries in the language of their choice. 
1) Name of the hierarchy
 
a) The hierarchy shall be named europe.*   
b) The hierarchy shall be named europ.*   
2)  Initial groups
The following is tentatively suggested as a list of initial groups to
be created at the launch of the new hierarchy on January 4th 2001.
Some would be expected to grow into sub-hierarchies later.
The prefix obviously depends on the outcome of the europ/europe/other
discussion.
europe.agenda	Events, dates and announcements
europe.biz
 Commerce and trade across borders
europe.eu
	The European Union
europe.eu.euro	The single currency 
europe.ecologie	Pan-european environmental issues
europe.futball	Football
europe.general	whatever else, n'importe quoi
europe.information		FAQs, answers and directions
europe.migration	Moving from one european country to another
europe.news.evolution	Creation of new newsgroups and general policy
europe.politik	Politics
europe.teknik	Technologie
europe.telecom	Telecom companies and services in Europe
europe.voyages Travel 
3) Management
a) The management of europ[e] shall be initially by an individual who
can carry the confidence of the majority of those interested in
getting the project started.
b) The management shall be performed by an elected committee with 2
representatives from each of the major european nations and 4 reserved
places to give a special voice to the small countries such as Belgium,
Croatia and Scotland.
c)  Other.
Procedure
This is an informal Request For Discussion which doesn't lead to any
formal vote but genuine constructive responses are welcomed and will
have a significant influence over the shaping of the new europ[e].*
hierarchy to be launched on January 4th 2001.
Andy R    SRG002 
http://www.bigwig.net/free.uk.usenet
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[N.B. Questa e` una traduzione non ufficiale, al solo scopo di 
facilitare eventuali interventi in proposito. Il testo originale
e` in: news://
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 e 
news://
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 /
This is an unofficial translation, with the only purpose of
making easier discussions by italian readers. The original text can be
retrieved at: news://
hjnktsgh84h5c4sj0...@4ax.com
 and
news://
henktscpbaskkbh7t...@4ax.com
 ]
Questa Richiesta Formale di Discussione (RFD) informale
riguarda la nuova gerarchia usenet europ[e].* che verra` creata
il 4 Gennaio 2001.
Lo scopo di questa RFD e` di permettere ai potenziali utenti
della nuova gerarchia di discutere di dettagli significativi
che devono essere stabiliti prima della data stabilita per l'inizio.
Le discussioni avranno luogo su news.admin.hierarchies, tuttavia
i lettori sono invitati a postare copie di questa RFD sulle altre
gerarchie in ambito europeo, con traduzione ove possibile, indicando
il followup-to in news.admin.hierarchies .
Manifesto
Si ritiene necessaria una nuova gerarchia per gli argomenti 
riguardanti l'Europa. Cio` permettera` l'apertura di discussioni
tra persone di diverse Nazioni europee, nella lingua di loro scelta.
1) Nome della gerarchia
 
a) La gerarchia viene chiamata europe.*   
b) La gerarchia viene chiamata europ.*   
2) Gruppi iniziali
La seguente e` la lista, a titolo orientativo, dei newsgroup che 
saranno creati inizialmente all'apertura della nuova gerarchia,
il 4 Gennaio 2001.
Si prevede che altri sottogruppi vengano formati in tempi successivi.
La parte iniziale del nome, ovviamente, dipende dall'esito della 
discussione sul nome definitivo della gerarchia.
europe.agenda          Eventi, date e annunci
europe.biz
             Commercio frontaliero e internazionale
europe.eu
              L'Unione Europea
europe.eu.euro         La moneta dell'Unione 
europe.ecologie        L'ambiente in Europa, l'ecologia 
europe.futball         Il calcio
europe.general         Varie (di tutto, di piu`)
europe.information     FAQs, answers and directions
europe.migration       Emigrazione e immigrazione
europe.news.evolution  Creazione dei gruppi e discussioni su europe.*
europe.politik         La politica
europe.teknik          La tecnologia
europe.telecom         Servizi e aziende di telefonia in Europa
europe.voyages         Viaggi e turismo
3) Gestione
a) La gestione di europ[e].* sara` inizialmente a cura di una persona
che possa raccogliere la fiducia della maggioranza di quanti sono
interessati all'avvio del progetto.
b) In seguito europ[e].* sara` gestita da un comitato eletto con
2 rappresentanti per ciascuna delle principali nazioni europee.
4 rappresentanti sono riservati per dare maggior voce alle piccole
nazioni quali Belgio, Croazia e Scozia.
Procedure
Questa Richiesta Formale di Discussione (RFD) informale non porta
ad alcuna votazione, ma le risposte veramente costruttive sono ben
accette ed avranno un'influenza significativa sul profile della nuova
gerarchia usenet europ[e].* che verra` creata il 4 Gennaio 2001.
Testo originale di:
Andy R    SRG002 
http://www.bigwig.net/free.uk.usenet
Tradotto da Mario Benvenuti

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 europe.voyages Travel 
I do not see why the names of the groups should be in some funny hybrid
language (or are you perhaps assuming that ... only Germans deal with
politics and technics, only French travel and deal with environment,
only British inform and migrate, only illiterate play football ? :-) ).
Don't be shy or "politically overcorrect" and JUST USE ENGLISH !
(which by the way it's not my native language)
Concerning the above groups I do not have any particular
comments. However there are more topics which could be interesting.
 - transport     discussion about railways, urban transport and so on 
                 do not necessarily coincide with "travel". It is true
                 that there are two NG under misc.transport, one of
                 which is specialized in European railways, but a 
                 hierarchy under eu.* will be appropriate
 - organizations (?) a forum where one can compare organization of
                 public services (from healthcare to electricity
                 supply to schools ... or transport or
                 telecommunications) offered to the citizens in the
                 different states
 - education     (?) a hierarchy under which one could have an
                 education.school to compare (primary & secondary)
                 school systems, education.university ditto for 
                 university level education, and education.research
                 to compare issues concerned with scientific research
                 organizations
                 (possibly the three topics deserve a move up of one
                 step in the hierarchy directly under eu)
 - culture       will a hierarchy like this be necessary (with
                 several branches I suppose) ?
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