Newsgroup: it.sport.montagna
Titolo: A PROPOSITO DI RESPONSABILITà

c'è una legge o qualcosa che indaga su come uno è morto in montagna o meglio
in cordata? ad esempio chi fa cadere un sasso in testa al compagno è
accusabile di omicidio colposo ( mai sentito che qlc venga accusato di
questo!)? e se fà una manovra sbagliata?
sembra una cazzata , ma non lo è poi tanto

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Franz Bachmann send this post to me. Unfortunately, I do not write
Italian
good enough in such matters.
I am a German laywer, so I can give just some general remark because I
am not an expert in Italian law. But I think these general principles
may apply also in Italy.
By general principle in all legal systems, if somedoy causes bodily
harm or death of another person by his negligence (lack of care), it
has legal consequences.
Firstly, he may punished in criminal court (but probably not receive a
term in prison, but just a fine) Secondly, he may also be civilly
liable for damages. The liability insurance included in the membership
of the German alpine club covers the civil liability.
The problem is how this general principle is applied to
mountaineering. Everybody going to the mountains assumes voluntarily
the risk necessarily connected with the mountains. The court has to
decide if the residual risk of mountaineering has materialized or if
there was some contributing negligence by another person.
A classic example of negligence is making mistakes in belaying your
partner in rock climbing. There are several decisions of German courts
in civil cases for damages. A woman didn't operate the GriGri properly
and her partner fell and was seriously injured. A guy overlooked the
end of the rope while lowering his partner (who fell and was injured).
Both were found liable for all ensuing damages.
Additional issues arises if there is some leadership relationship
(professional mountain guide, alpine club tour leader, The Austrian
supreme court accepted also the doctrine of pure facutal leadership,
meaning the most experienced person in a private group may be
considered leader unter certain circumstances).
The leader has additional duties: judging alpine risks (like
avalanche, crevasses, stone fall, weather), deciding which route to
take, what kind
of safety measures are necessary for the clients ... If he make
mistakes by negligence - i.e. if he does not take necessary measures
to prevent foreseeable risks - he is criminally and civilly liable. To
establish negligence court normally rely on expert witnesses.
There are quite a few court decisions even by the highest courts on
mountain guide's responsibility in Switzerland, Austria and Germany.
For ex. in avalanche disasters: negligent mistakes include: ignoring
the official bulletin, not taking the safest route, not spreading out
the group.
Hope that helps a bit
Ciao
Luidger

 
chi posta una traduzione per cortesia?
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...lunga la retta stretta la via
dite la vostra che io ho detto la mia...
AlloFull

 Luidger

 riguardo !
grazie!
a proposito ricordo che La Rivista della Montagna di recente aveva
pubblicato un mumero proprio sulle norme che legano una guida al
cliente... oggi piovo lo cerco e vi faccio sapere!
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C'e'qualcuno che puo'tradurlo per favore?
ciao,Flavio

 C'e'qualcuno che puo'tradurlo per favore?
?!?
Lo ha gia' fatto ieri loyeti:
http://new.newsland.it/nr/article/it.sport.montagna/19573.html
Ciao.
            Paolo.R
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per mandare posta elymynare...

 cliente... oggi piovo lo cerco e vi faccio sapere!
trovato!!!!
trattasi del n° 256 di aprile 2002 a pag 78 articolo montagna e
responsabilità di P. Romagnolo
che ci devo fare ora???? :-OOO
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 che ci devo fare ora???? :-OOO
Leggilo !!
Ce ne uno anche sul sito dell'Aineva, se per questo

loiety <loi...@NOSPAMyahoo.it> wrote:
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io l'ho letto che dici!!!!!
intendevo come posso fare per il beneficio del nius che non ho sw ocr!
:-ooooooo
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