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Titolo: Atlantis in Antarctica Claims Refuted

Atlantis in Antarctica Claims Refuted
While reading a messageboard, which is well known
to the readers of this USENET Group, I found, posted
to it, URLS to a couple of excellent papers about the
Quaternary glacial and climate history of Antarctica
that can be downloaded for free from the Internet.
They are:
Ingolfsson, O., C. Hjort and O. Humlum, 2003, Glacial
and Climate History of the Antarctic Peninsula Since
the Last Glacial Maximum. Arctic, Antarctic, and Alpine
Research. vol. 35, no. 2, pp. 175-186.
http://www.hi.is/~oi/PDF%20reprints/Ingolfsson,%20Hjort%20and%20Humlum%20aa=
ar%202003.pdf
Ingolfsson, O., 2004, Quaternary glacial and climate
history of Antarctica. in: J. Ehlers and P.L. Gibbard,
eds., pp. 3-43, Quaternary Glaciations - Extent and
Chronology, Part III. Elsevier, New York.
http://www.hi.is/~oi/AG-326%202006%20readings/Antarctica/Ingolfsson_SUMMARY=
.pdf
The web page equivalent of the above paper is
"Quaternary glacial and climate history of Antarctica"
http://www.hi.is/~oi/quaternary_glacial_history_of_antarctica.htm
More PDF files of publications can be found at:
http://www.hi.is/~oi/selected_publications.htm
Both of these papers totally demolish the various
proposals about Atlantis having ever been in Antarctica.
These and many other published scientific papers
completely refute the proposals that any part of
Antarctica was sufficiently ice-free and temperate
enough for a lost civilization to have existed within
it. Specifically Rand Flem-Ath's contention that West /
lesser Antarctica was temperate and ice-free prior
to 9,600 BC (11,600 BP) is totally demolished by
demonstrating that during the Last Glacial Maximum,
Anarctica, the Antarctic Peninsula, was completely
covered, except for the South Shetland Islands by a
very  thick sheet of ice, . This ice cover persisted until
about 12,000 to 9,000 BP when it began to retreat.
Thus, the evidence shows that the time that Rand
Flem-Ath in his book, "When the Sky Fell: In Search of
Atlantis", argues the ice sheets formed over lesser
Antarctica (West Antarctica) was actually time that
the ice sheets actually started to melt and retreat. As
a result, the paleogeographic reconstructions for the
pre-9,600 BC time period shown at his "Return to
the Source Symposium" web site are shown to be
pure fiction that is totally discredited by hard physical
evidence.
Web pages:
Rand Flem-Ath's "Return to the Source Symposium"
web page:
http://www.flem-ath.com/?page_id=3D9
His fictional paleogeographic reconstructions are at:
http://www.flem-ath.com/images/locating_atlantis_4.png
http://www.flem-ath.com/images/locating_atlantis_5.png
Reconstruction of grounding line positions of the
Antarctic Ice Sheet from Ingolfsson (2004) is at:
http://www.hi.is/~oi/quater8.jpg
Environmental changes in Antarctic Peninsula since
Last Glacial Maximum from Ingolfsson (2004) is at:
http://www.hi.is/~oi/quater12.jpg
LGM = Last Glacial Maximum
14C ka BP = Thousands of years (ka) radiocarbon (14C) before present
(BP)
The same problem emerged when Rand Flem-Ath wrote
about the paleoclimatology of the New Siberian Islands in
"When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis". Scientific research
conducted by Russian geologists in the late 1980s and
early 1990s similarly refute his paleoclimate interpretations
for the New Siberian Islands. Instead of the climate going
from temperate to polar around 9,600 BC (11,600 BP), this
Russian research demonstrates that the New Siberian Islands
experienced very harsh glacial climate during the Last Glacial
Maximum about 28,000 to 16,000 years ago. As summarized
in Makeyev et al. (2003), this research further demonstrates
that climate has fluctuated and become overall warmer since
16,000 BP. As in case of Antarctica, Rand Fem-Ath in his
book "When the Sky Fell: In Search of Atlantis" is completely
in his interpretations that the New Siberian Islands enjoyed
a temperate climate prior to 9,600 BP and that their climate
became abruptly colder about 9,600 BP. In fact, the Russian
research as discussed in Makeyev et al. (2003) found that
between 7,000 and 8,000 BC (9,000 to 10,000 BP) the
climate of the New Siberian Islands was significantly warmer
than it ever was before 9,600 BC (11,600 BP). This shows
that Rand Flem-Ath's paleoclimatic reconstructions, as in
case of Antarctica, are pure imagination lacking any
substance.
Other and Cited References for New Siberian Islands
Andreev, A.A., G. Grosse, L. Schirrmeister, S.A. Kuzmina,
E. Y. Novenko,  A.A. Bobrov, P.E. Tarasov, B.P. Ilyashuk,
T.V. Kuznetsova, M. Krbetschek, H. Meyer, and V.V.
Kunitsky, 2004, Late Saalian and Eemian
palaeoenvironmental history of the Bol’shoy Lyakhovsky
Island (Laptev Sea region, Arctic Siberia). Boreas. vol. 33,
pp. 319–348.
Web page - 
http://epic.awi.de/epic/Main?puid=20145
PDF file - 
http://epic.awi.de/Publications/And2003h.pdf
Makeyev, V.M., D.P. Ponomareva, V.V. Pitulko, G.M. Chernova
and D.V. Solovyeva, 2003, Vegetation and Climate of the
New Siberian Islands for the past 15,000 Years. Arctic,
Antarctic, and Alpine Research, vol. 35, no. 1, pp. 56-66.
Schirrmeister, L., A. Andreev, G. Grosse, and H. Meyer, 2004,
Saalian to Holocene Paleoenvironmental History Documented
in Permafrost Sequences of Arctic Siberia (New Siberian
Archipelago, Bolshoy Lyakhovsky Island), American Geophysical
Union, Fall Meeting 2004, abstract #C13B-0286
web page 1 - 
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2004AGUFM.C13B0286S
web page 2 - 
http://epic.awi.de/epic/Main?static=yes&page=abstract&entry_dn=Sch2004ay
web page - 
http://www.jstor.org/pss/1552329
An interesting web page pertaining to the New Siberian
Islands is "A Frozen Ninety Foot Tall Plum Tree" that is
found at:
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/ce/3/part3.html
Yours,
Douglas

Two of the URLs in the above post got scrambled in the
posting. Thw orking URLs are:
Ingolfsson, O., C. Hjort and O. Humlum, 2003, Glacial
and Climate History of the Antarctic Peninsula Since
the Last Glacial Maximum. Arctic, Antarctic, and Alpine
Research. vol. 35, no. 2, pp. 175-186.
http://www.hi.is/~oi/PDF%20reprints/Ingolfsson,%20Hjort%20and%20Humlum%20aa=ar%202003.pdf
Ingolfsson, O., 2004, Quaternary glacial and climate
history of Antarctica. in: J. Ehlers and P.L. Gibbard,
eds., pp. 3-43, Quaternary Glaciations - Extent and
Chronology, Part III. Elsevier, New York.
http://www.hi.is/~oi/AG-326%202006%20readings/Antarctica/Ingolfsson_SUMMARY=.pdf
Yours,
Douglas

Many thanks "stratigrapher" for the copious amount of info
about the so-called "Flem-Ath theory"; it's wonderful to have
a scientific approach in it.discussioni.misteri, where many 
people can't even understand what "science" really is.
Please, feel free to report every fraud you'll be able to
track down!
all the best
kc doppler

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Nobody ever really believed that, it was something that people into
the giant signs in the desert in South America, until you get close to
them and see they are about the size of a 2 foot trail, while still
can be seen from the air, you have to be about 100 ft off the ground.
What you are talking about, that was something no one believed
anyway.  Ken Hogan