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                           RE: JOHN WEST & GRAHAM HANCOCK
                           POST ALASKA CRUISE STATEMENT
                           PERSONAL STATEMENT FROM AMARGI HILLIER
                           May 21st, 1998  - Nazlet-el-Samman, Egypt
                           Yesterday I was forwarded the statement
released by
John
                           Anthony West and Graham Hancock (attached
below) as
it
                           appeared on the sci.archaeology usenet
group and
various
                           mailing lists.  It also appeared on the Art
Bell
website.
                           Like many of you, I was intrigued by the
line up
for
                           the 'debate' on this Alaska Cruise.  It was
interesting to
                           see who was to attend and who was not
invited.
This says
                           much in itself.  Like a tired tourist
trying to
find a
                           public bathroom on the Giza Plateau, where
there
are none -
                           something is not right in this picture.
                           I am quite surprised that instead of asking
Larry
Hunter or
                           myself to speak about these issues as well,
that
only Dr.
                           Zahi Hawass is asked about this suspension.
Of
course,
                           Hawass needs to be questioned and he has a
right to
answer.
                           Our news flash stated on April 12, 1998
this was a
"secret"
                           document ordering the suspension of Dr.
Hawass.
Also, we
                           stated that Hawass was not complying to the
order.
To me,
                           and I am only speaking for myself, this
suggests
something
                           hidden is going on.   Thus, why would Dr.
Hawass
admit to it
                           and why would not the investigators be
brought to
question
                           too? The only scenario I can sum this up in
is
this:
                           Police to thief: "Did you steal the money?"
                           Thief: "No."
                           Police: "Oh... OK... you can go then."
                           We had stated quite clearly on our news
flash that
Dr. Zahi
                           Hawass did not want you to know about this
suspension order
                           made by the high government official.  Upon
being
asked
                           about this, which is a very serious matter
indeed,
Hawass
                           reveals on the cruise that this suspension
was not
true. Now
                           do we leave it as that or do we bring in
the
investigators
                           and question them as well on what they
know?
                           John Anthony West and Graham Hancock are
fine and
skilled
                           authors.  Of all their material I have
read,
although not
                           necessarily agreed with everything
presented, they
have
                           proven to me they are able to research,
document
and stylize
                           their findings into an
easy-to-understandformat.
Their
                           attention to the details of their research
is
clearly seen
                           within the pages of their books - where we
explore
high
                           ancient sciences and missing clues to the
secrets
of ancient
                           Egypt.
                           What doesn't fit, considering the skills of
these
authors,
                           is an apparent lack of attention to a
simple detail
in a six
                           paragraph news flash.   Was it too
difficult to
read?  The
                           paragraphs are not long and quite easy to
read.
Surely
                           they have dictionaries at hand if they
cannot
understand
                           anything.   Quoting from their statement,
"The
posting had
                           been written by Larry Hunter and Amargi
Hillier and
asserted
                           falsely that Dr. Zahi Hawass had been fired
from
his post by
                           the Egyptian government."
                           Nowhere in our news flash did we ever say
that Dr.
Zahi
                           Hawass was "fired". "Suspension" and
"fired" are
two
                           different things. Yet a simple detail
seemly
confused by two
                           well published and successful authors.  If
this is
aspect is
                           confusing, they should visit any local high
school
and a
                           student there will be able to tell them the
difference
                           between 'suspended' and 'fired'.  I wonder
if Mr.
West and
                           Mr. Hancock even read the news flash
itself.   Or
why would
                           them make a public statement without
reading our
news flash
                           first?  Perhaps they just made a statement
based on
the
                           question Art Bell posed to the debate.  If
this was
the
                           case, why didn't Art Bell - who is an
experienced
                           interviewer -  read the news flash
word-for-word to
the
                           people of the debate?  Red flag.
                           While focusing on details, our news flash
never
stated Dr.
                           Zahi Hawass was actually suspended.  This
is an
assumed
                           conclusion by the reader.  We were only
reporting
what was
                           told to us by this high government official
regarding a
                           document that orders the suspension and
that Zahi
Hawass was
                           not complying with the orders.  Remember
folks,
this is an
                           investigation.   We are presenting pieces
of a
puzzle as
                           they come to us.   Whether these pieces
change or
not, time
                           will tell as we dive deeper into this
investigation.  With
                           what we are finding out about Dr. Zahi
Hawass, God
forbid
                           any of these hidden events are true.  I
pray that
it is not,
                           for humanity and history is suffering a
great loss.
                           West's and Hancock's statement also
mentions that
Boris Said
                           is a friend of Hunter's.  "We are aware
that this
posting is
                           one of many by Mr. Hunter and his friend
Boris Said
which
                           have misrepresented the truth concerning
Dr. Hawass
and
                           indeed slandered him."   Although you
cannot know
this, I am
                           telling you now - Boris Said is not a
friend of
Larry
                           Hunter.  Nor does their research connect up
other
than the
                           fact it relates to the Giza Plateau.
                           As we continue through this statement
released by
Mr.
                           West and Mr. Hancock, I feel like I am road
heading
towards
                           a construction site.  Lots of red flags.
There is
a
                           paragraph that begins with the explanation
of the
                           differences and misperceptions previously
felt
between West,
                           Hancock and Hawass.  Perhaps thinking this
qualifies them to
                           "set the record straight", they try to do
just that
on an
                           issue that does not involve them, but
rather
involves
                           Hawass, Hunter, myself and our government
informant. What
                           does reconciling differences with Hawass
have to do
with
                           what we have found out?
                           Also, West and Hancock set the record
straight by
saying our
                           statements were false.  Remember, we
reported only
what was
                           told to us, and our post was the truth of
what was
reported
                           to us.   We should not be held accountable
for the
                           conclusions drawn by readers from based on
the
information
                           we are reporting.
                           Their paragraph ends with the issue of
evidence.
If we
                           were trying to prove a case, then yes we
would need
                           evidence.  But as stated above, we are only
reporting what
                           our investigation has uncovered.  Evidence
to prove
or
                           disprove this suspension order will come in
time,
and I hope
                           it does.   As a viewer one of the largest
websites
in the
                           world on the subject of Egypt mysteries,
would you
prefer
                           that I report our findings to you as they
happen or
after
                           the fact, perhaps months or years later?  I
welcome
your
                           thoughts.
                           I am communicating with people in the
village of
                           Nazlet-el-Samman who have been questioned
by the
police
                           about myself.  Why are they being told not
to talk
to me
                           about the things they know?  Tomorrow I
will be
meeting with
                           a member of the Egyptian press who has new,
rather
                           startling, information about this
suspension
order.  These
                           findings will appear shortly on the news
flash
page. Yes, we
                           are getting closer to evidence, but as a
service to
you... I
                           feel you deserve to follow the
investigation as it
happens.
                           Just as we reported as another news flash
of what
was said
                           during a phone call with Ahmed Fayed, a
close
friend of Dr.
                           Hawass, we will continue to post new news
for
you.   Ahmed
                           Fayed also confirmed the suspension order
but
worded it in a
                           different way... he called it a "promotion"
to
sound and
                           light.   How you consider being director
the
plateau to
                           being promoted to sound and lights show is
beyond
me.
                           Details of this phone call are on our news
flash
page.  By
                           the way, if you haven't read our news
flash, as
many of you
                           haven't since you were forwarded West's and
Hancock's
                           statement via e-mail or usenet - then you
can read
our news
                           flash in full here:
http://www.amargiland.com/hall-of-records/newsflash/
                           Art Bell did make a call to the office of
the
person whom
                           told originally told us about the
suspension
order.  Some of
                           you are aware of this.  What you don't know
is that
Art Bell
                           thought he was talking with the person we
spoke
with, when
                           if fact he was talking with another person
in the
office.
                           Art Bell, perhaps still unknown to this
fact,
experienced
                           what many foreigners experience when
communicating
with
                           other from a foreign country... the fact
that
English is not
                           the native tongue here in Egypt.   Thus
dialogue
can result
                           in mixed messages if one speaker is less
fluent in
the
                           language used for the dialogue.  I am well
aware of
this
                           from living in Egypt since last August '97.
Not
everybody
                           speaks English well.  Those who don't speak
English
well are
                           being asked to understand what is being
said in
English and
                           are asked then to answer back in English.
A
responsibility
                           that goes unnoticed by most not experienced
with
people
                           here.
                           Art Bell, upon reading the news flash,
called Larry
                           Hunter on the telephone.  They talked and
Hunter
gave Bell
                           the phone number of the high government
person who
we had
                           met with that told us the news of the
letter
ordering the
                           suspension.  Art Bell called Egypt to this
government
                           official's office.  Due to this language
problem,
Bell was
                           speaking with somebody else in the office
but
thought it was
                           our government person.  This person whom
Bell spoke
with
                           said he knew nothing about a suspension.
Following
this
                           phone call, Bell contacted Hunter and told
Hunter
what he
                           was told.   Hunter discovered soon after,
upon a
phone call
                           to the same office, that Bell never in fact
talked
to the
                           government official we met with.   Hunter
e-mailed
Art Bell
                           about the error but Bell never followed up.
                           Personally, I am surprised that Art Bell
has not
brought
                           Larry Hunter on air to question Hunter
about these
issues.
                           We may hear the people tell reports of a
car
falling from
                           the sky, to a "widget" man who claims to
have a
time travel
                           device, to a woman who says she has sex
with
reptilian
                           aliens.   Why Bell has not put Hunter under
the
probing
                           spotlight on air, regarding such a serious
issue,
is a
                           mystery to me.  Red flags are going up
everywhere
on this
                           journey.
                           Many people have asked us why we have not
revealed
our
                           source of this information.  The high
government
official
                           who told about the suspension order asked
us not
to... it is
                           that simple.  The government in Egypt works
differently then
                           elsewhere.  Here you may be jailed or fired
if you
speak the
                           wrong thing. This government official
risked much
to tell us
                           what he knows and we promised to protect
him.  But
due to
                           the nature of what we are investigating, no
doubt
in time,
                           the truth will be revealed completely.
                           Equating our investigation with child
pornography
is very
                           irresponsible and is in very poor taste.
Here is
what they
                           wrote:  "But in our  considered opinion
Larry
Hunter's
                           postings are the  Egyptological equivalent
of child
                           pornography and are a great disservice to
all of us
who
                           genuinely seek to unravel the mysteries of
Egypt."
                           I am disturbed that two successful authors
would
even make a
                           relation of our reporting about Hawass to
that of
such an
                           act of violence.   This statement of theirs
really
speaks
                           for itself as a reflection of whatever they
are
trying to
                           gain by making such a statement. Child
pornography
is a very
                           serious matter that results in many
victims, both
the family
                           and the child themselves.  Child
pornography should
not be
                           used as an example in a clearly personal
attack
against our
                           investigation and our postings online.  I
would
expect that
                           victims of this crime could easily explain
to West
and
                           Hancock of the non-relation between an
investigation about
                           an Egyptologists vs. the violence of child
pornography.  God
                           forbid any that readers who read West's and
Hancock's
                           statement are not victims themselves.  Talk
about
adding
                           insult to injury.
                           Follow this absurd statement, John Anthony
West and
Graham
                           Hancock suggest that we are a "disservice"
to all
of you who
                           genuinely seek to unravel the mysteries of
Egypt.
If you,
                           as a viewer, feel this way... then I am
sorry.
Simply never
                           come back to my website as a solution.  But
if you
do not
                           feel this way, and you feel we are
providing a very
                           important service, then perhaps contact
West and
Hancock and
                           tell them not to speak for you.  John
Anthony West
can be
                           reached at the following e-mail:
jaws...@aol.com
                           Within their statement, Mr. West and Mr.
Hancock
offer us a
                           challenge to find evidence of the
corruption with
Hawass.
                           Challenge accepted, and herein you will
find part
one of our
                           investigation into the secret life of Dr.
Zahi
Hawass.  As
                           the investigation continues, the evidence
will
start forming
                           right before your eyes.
 
http://www.amargiland.com/hall-of-osiris/
                           We leave it up to you, the worldwide
public, to
discern the
                           truth from fallacy.  You - not Art Bell,
John
Anthony West
                           or Graham Hancock - will determine who is
right and
who is
                           wrong.  That decision cannot be made my
myself,
Hunter or
                           people who wrote the statement trying to
decide
these things
                           for you.  You have your own mind and need
to hear
all the
                           sides before coming to these types of
conclusions.
I am
                           quite surprised that West and Hancock did
not talk
to us to
                           find out our end of the story.  Really
folks, there
are so
                           many holes in their ship - it is sinking
like the
Titanic.
                           And everybody on board is going down too.
                           The only conclusion we can draw is that
John
Anthony West
                           and Graham Hancock don't like the message
being
reported
                           upon by us.  So what they want to do is
kill the
messenger
                           through the character assassination of
comparing us
to child
                           pornographers.
                           May God bless those who seek the truth, and
burn
those who
                           choose to keep it from the world.  God is
taking
charge now
                           and I warn everybody involved in this
scenario to
think
                           clearly and seriously about the choices
they make
with
                           regards to the truth about God's ancient
monuments
at Giza.
                           Signed,
                           Amargi Hillier
                           May 21st, 1998
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 formattazione, ma era già così):
E' praticamente illeggibile. Visto che è un problema che capita spesso, propongo che qualcuno ci spieghi come fare a formattare bene messaggi di questo genere con i newsreader a disposizione.
La faccenda di Hawass "destituito" girava già da tempo, ma non mi era capitato ancora di leggere nulla di così dettagliato. E ' inquietante davvero Hawass: anche qui sottolineano il suo elevato grado
di "corruzione". E dire che Hancock e Bauval lo difendono!
Se qualcuno mi sa fare un sunto dell'articolo uscito su sci.archeology, breve ma che dica il più possibile, mi risparmio volentieri la gimcana nella sinusoidi di frasi monche. Grazie!! :-))
--
bye --stànz
"Il miglior modo di configurare i programmi
 della Micro$oft è: CANCELLARLI"
(stànz)

(scusate la burtta formattazione, ma era già così):
Bastava semplicemente riformattarlo con un text-editor come Textpad in
non più di qualche secondo di tempo. Comunque, mi pare che se ne era
già parlato qua dentro qualche mese fa.
Bye Krmel
Per rispondere in e-mail mettere io al posto di tu nell'indirizzo.
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"La massima cultura accessibile all'intelligenza umana non sara',
se essa rifiuta a se stessa ogni risorsa che le proviene dalla sua
coscienza spirituale superiore, che un procedere preparatorio,
in confronto a cio' che potrebbe diventare se, con le facolta'
sufficientemente sviluppate, potesse entrare coscientemente in
relazione col piano o con gli aspetti iperfisici della Natura".
William Scott/Elliot, "Storia dell'Atlantide"

 di questo genere con i newsreader a disposizione.
Con MacSOUP é sufficiente selezionare il testo e, dal menù 'edit', dare
il comando 'Rewrap Text'.
Però non credo che sia presente su tutti i newsreader, in Outlook
Express 4.0 per Macintosh non c'é, e Windows presferisco evitarlo :)
Luca
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