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Titolo: Ancora sul Boeing fantasma-Pentagono

http://www.attivissimo.net/antibufala/pentagono_boeing_fantasma.htm
Saluti.
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http://www.attivissimo.net/antibufala/pentagono_boeing_fantasma.htm
" Stando ai resoconti ufficiali, l'aereo ha colpito il primo e il secondo
 piano. Ma naturalmente i resoconti ufficiali e i rapporti dei testimoni
 possono essere tutti falsi, argomenteranno i complottisti."
;-)))
alcune testimonianze ufficiali:
Christopher Munsey, Navy Times reporter , was en route to work.
". . I couldn't believe what I was now seeing to my right: A silver,
twin-engine American Airlines jetliner gliding almost NOISLESSLY
over the Navy Annex, fast, low and straight toward the Pentagon,
just hundreds of yards away.   The plane, with red and blue markings,
hurtled by and within moments exploded in a ground-shaking "whoomp,"
Steve Patterson, is a graphics artist who works at home in a 14th floor
apartment in Pentagon City.  While watching events unfold on TV he
saw a silver commuter jet fly past his window about 150 yards away,
approaching from the west about  20 FEET off the ground, He said it
appeared to him that a commuter jet   which *appeared to hold about
eight to 12 people*, headed straight for the Pentagon but was flying as
if coming in for a landing on a nonexistent runway.  The plane, which
sounded like the HIGH-PITCHED SQUEAL OF A JET FIGHTER...
Ken Ford, a State Department employee, watched from the 15th floor
of the State Department Annex,just across the Potomac River from the
Pentagon. We were watching the airport through binoculars, Ford said,
referring to Reagan National Airport, a short distance away.The plane
was a TWO-ENGINE TURBO PROP...
Captain Liebner says the aircraft struck a helicopter on the helipad,
setting fire to a fire truck.
;-)))
etc etc....
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approaching from the west about  20 FEET off the ground
Quel condominio ha i primi 12 piani sotterranei, si direbbe. Oppure
qualcuno ha fatto casino coi numeri.
O il signor Patterson ha una TV collocata in modo *stranissimo*.
O tutte e tre.
Leonardo

 qualcuno ha fatto casino coi numeri.
Il signor Patterson e' un po confuso[He said it appeared to him that
*a commuter jet which appeared to hold about eight to 12 people*]
Cosa dici del capitano Liebner che vede l'aereo colpire un elicottero
nell'eliporto?...e del signor Ken Ford... che identifica l'aereo in un
*turboelica* ?
Captain Lincoln Liebner, was parking his car at the moment of attack:
'I saw this large American Airlines passenger jet coming in fast and low,'
said Army Captain Lincoln Liebner.  * We got one guy out of the fire
truck cab *, he said, adding he could hear people crying inside the
wreckage.
Mike Walter, 46, USA Today reporter, said
"I was sitting in the northbound on 27 and the traffic was, you know,
typical rush-hour -- it had ground to a standstill. I looked out my
window and I saw this plane, this jet, an American Airlines jet,
coming. And I thought, 'This doesn't add up, it's really low.' And I
saw it. I mean it was like a cruise missile with wings. It went right
there and slammed right into the Pentagon."
Mark Bright, was the first security officer to arrive at the scene,
having actually seen the plane hit the building while manning the
guard booth at the Mall Entrance. "I saw the plane at the Navy
Annex area," "I knew it was going to strike the building because
it was very, very low -- *at the height of the street lights. It
knocked a couple down.*"  He said he heard the plane
"power-up" just before it struck the Pentagon.
Christine Peterson, '73 found herself in the thick of last month's
terrorist tragedy, and submitted this report: ". .  I was at a complete
stop on the road in front of the helipad at the Pentagon; what I had
thought would be a shortcut was as slow as the other routes I had
taken that morning. I looked idly out my window to the left -- and
saw a plane flying so low I said, "holy cow, that plane is going to hit
my car" (not my actual words). The car shook as the plane flew over.
It was so close that I could read the numbers under the wing."
Fred Gaskins,   was driving to his job as a national editor at USA
TODAY near the Pentagon when the plane passed about 150 feet
overhead. "(The plane) was flying fast and low and the Pentagon
was the obvious target,  It was flying very smoothly and calmly,
without any hint that anything was wrong."
Afework Hagos, 26, of Arlington, is a computer programmer, a
consultant for Nextel.  On his way to work he was stuck in a traffic
jam on Columbia Pike, near the Pentagon when the plane flew over.
"There was a huge screaming noise and I got out of the car as the
plane came over. Everybody was running away in different directions.
It was tilting its wings up and down like it was trying to balance.
It hit some lampposts on the way in."
Kirk Milburn, a construction supervisor for Atlantis Co. was on
the Arlington National Cemetery exit of Interstate 395. "I was right
underneath the plane. I heard a plane. I saw it. I saw debris flying.
I guess it was hitting light poles. It was like a WHOOOSH whoosh,
then there was fire and smoke, then I heard a second explosion."
Allen Cleveland of Woodbridge Virginia looked out from a Metro
train going to National Airport, to see a jet heading down toward the
Pentagon.     "I thought, 'There's no landing strip on that side of the
subway tracks,' " Before he could process that thought, he saw "a
huge mushroom cloud. A lady next to me was in absolute hysterics."
" .  . a silver pasenger jet, mid sized"
Meseidy Rodriguez    confirms "it was a mid size plane".
Father Stephen McGraw was driving to a graveside service at
Arlington national Cemetery. McGraw estimates that the plane
passed about *20 FEET* over his car, as he waited on the northbound
side of Washington Boulevard. "I was in the left hand lane with my
windows closed. I did not hear anything at all until the plane was just
right above our cars." "The plane clipped the top of a light pole just
before it got to us, injuring a taxi driver, whose taxi was just a few feet
away from my car.
A CNN on-the-sight reporter was interviewed by a fellow fromCNN :
You got a close-up look at the damage, didn't you?
- Yes, I was right next to the building.
And what did you see?
- I saw a big, gaping hole and I could see pieces of the plane inside.
Earlier, an eye-witness told us the plane didn't crash into the building.
- Well, I don't know what it looked like from where he was, but I looked
   right inside the hole and I know it crashed into the building.
ARFF   fire Crews reported fires on every floor of the "D" and "E" rings.
The aircraft had penetrated all the way to the "C" ring.  "The only way you
could tell that an aircraft was inside was that we saw pieces of the nose
gear.
etc etc...
Che fine han fatto i resti dell'elicottero?
Nella foto 
http://criticalthrash.com/terror/P1010016.JPG
 [evidentemente
scattata pochissimi minuti dopo l'accaduto] si vede distintamente l'eliporto
ma nessuna traccia dell'elicottero descritto dal capitano Liebner [poco
oltre l'eliporto si possono distinguere invece due auto]... inoltre i pali
della luce[secondo le dichiarazioni si trovano nella traiettoria dell'aereo]
davanti al Pentagono sono miracolosamente intatti....mah..  e' un mistero
degno di questo ng....no?
Donald "Tim" Timmerman, a 36 year old resident of Eppington
Drive, to the south of the Pentagon across Interstate 395, is a *navy
pilot* and a photographer. "I was looking out the window; I live on
the 16th floor, overlooking the Pentagon, in a corner apartment, so I
have quite a panorama. And being next to National Airport, I hear
jets all the time, but this jet engine was way too loud. I looked out to
the southwest, and it came right down 395, right over Colombia Pike,
and as it went by the Sheraton Hotel, the pilot added power to the
engines. I heard it pull up a little bit more, and then I lost it behind a
building.     And then it came out, and I saw it hit right in front of --
*it didn't appear to crash into the building*; most of the energy was
dissipated in hitting the ground, but I saw the nose break up, *I saw
the wings fly forward*, and then the conflagration engulfed everything
in flames. It was horrible.
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in flames. It was horrible.
Bene, mi pare che lo scenario sia piu' o meno chiaro, quindi.
Leonardo
-- 
For Light is but the left hand of Darkness; and Darkness but the right
hand of Light. Blessed then also be Darkness, and Creation unfinished.
(Tenets of the Yomeshta cult)                                  +++ATH0

 ;-)))
Mah, mi tocchera' ride' anch'ammé, vedrai :o))
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 quanto citi del sito che riportavo.
"Ma naturalmente i resoconti ufficiali e i rapporti dei testimoni
 possono essere tutti falsi"
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 Bene, mi pare che lo scenario sia piu' o meno chiaro, quindi.
" As soon as Rumsfeld declared the Office of Strategic Influence
 to be null and void, some public-relations dividends began to flow.
 The Chicago Tribune quoted Lucy Dalglish, executive director of
 the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press, generously
 praising officials at the Pentagon: "This is good news for the public.
 Now we can have more confidence that what they're telling us is true."
;-)))
Four centuries ago, the French cardinal and statesman Richelieu
wrote that concealing true intentions "is the art of kings." ("Savoir
dissimuler est le savoir des rois.") For kings and presidents, the
illusion of credibility is crucial. Manipulative successes hinge on
deference from courtiers and scribes; reporters and pundits.
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  possono essere tutti falsi"
E quindi?
Sono falsi o no?
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 Sono falsi o no?
testa o croce?
piermario

 bomba 'osama' fabbricata a Fuorigrotta.
Fuorigrotta? Sei sicuro che le fabbrichino lì?
--
Ho imparato che un uomo ha il diritto di guardare un altro
uomo dall'alto soltanto quando deve aiutarlo ad alzarsi.
                   (Gabriel Garcia Marquez)

 testa o croce?
Testa, per definizione :o))
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 Testa, per definizione :o))
di cuoio? ;-)
Arbusto's Conflict of Interests.
Although no one seems to notice, Giorgio Arbusto, the elder,
has a massive conflict of interest as a Senior Advisor to The
Carlyle Group a Washington-based private investment firm for
multi millionaires which include the Bin Laden Group, former
British Prime Minister John Major, Jim Baker-the elder Arbusto's
former secretary of state, who served as the younger's point
man in the younger's older brother's Florida recount last year.
On October 22, 2001 the Wall Street Journal reported that,
United Defense, "a prime contractor to the Defense Department"
filed with the SEC to sell $300 million in stock. Under "Business
Strengths" it reported that among the company's directors are,
former secretary of defense, Frank C. Carlucci, Robert Kimmit,
a former member of the National Security Council Staff, US Army,
General J. H. Binford Peay, a former commander in chief of the
US Central Command and John Shalikashvili, a former commander
in chief of US forces in Europe. The main stockholder is the
Carlyle Group, a $12 billion private Washington based equity firm.
The Journal quotes the president of ipoPros.com: "The IPO will
benefit the perception that military efforts will be prolonged"
(One supposes "prolonged" is good news for some, bad news
for others.)
It seems plain that former president Arbusto has a major conflict
of interest as does his son, and, it seems, many, many others.
Giorgio W was also an investor in, and a member of, the Board
of Directors of a company owned by the Carlyle Group. He was
paid $15,000 a year for his expertise and $10,000 per meeting.
His main business contribution in this business venture, and others,
seems to have been his name. Salem bin Laden, Osama's older
brother, who died in a plane crash in 1988, was an investor in
Giorgio W's first Texas oil company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto"
= "bush" in Spanish). Also an investor was an old friend of his
father, James Bath, who managed investments for several very
rich Saudis, among them, Kalid bin Mafouz, whose accounts
and charities were frozen after the September 11, attacks on
suspicion of contributing to Osama's terrorist network. Bath
reportedly also acted as a CIA liaison with Saudi officials during
the time the elder George was head of the CIA.
Mafouz held a large share of the Bank of Credit and Commerce
International (BCCCI) , which operated in dozens of countries
in Europe, US, Saudi Arabia and throughout the Near East.
The firm folded in 1991 with a $12 billion loss to investors. It
was involved in fraud and money laundering swindles and in
funding heroin and cocaine smuggling operations involving
Colombian drug cartels which included Manuel Norieaga,
another well known CIA agent gone bad. Many Washington
politicians were involved in the BCCI scandal and several were
tried and a few got off with light punishment. The prosecutor
in the case must have done something right since he was recently
appointed head of the FBI by Giorgio W.
According to a BBC report, FBI agents, investigating another
Osama's brother, Abdulla, and another member of the bin
Laden family were told to back off their investigation of the
family and other Saudi's when the Arbusto junta took over in 2001.
testa o croce? ;-)
piermario

 di cuoio? ;-)
*io* si', tu? :o)
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 *io* si', tu? :o)
suvvia, no? e te'...e ta'....piccipiccipicci' ;-)
Smoke screens are diversions used to obscure what's really
going on. They are meant to deflect attention from the actual
propose of an action, whether it concerns love, war or politics.
These unfair power plays tend to emanate from Machiavellian
types who see ethical conduct as a weakness. They have no
compunction about toppling anyone who stands in their way.
They also have absolutely no intention of following the rules
unless they wrote them.
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 Smoke screens are diversions used to obscure what's really
[...]
Fammi capire, il contenuto del post cui rispondevo aveva un qualcosa a che
fare con i beoing sul pentagono e non me ne sono accorto?
Fra l'altro, c'hai pure sfiga, lo scandalo BCCI fa parte della mia tesi di
laurea :o))
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 lo scandalo BCCI fa parte della mia tesi di laurea :o))
tesi di laureaaa...non vale, sai gia tutto... non gioco piu' :-(
The issue of population transfer[1] is a very delicate subject.
For this reason, many proposers confined the exposition of
their ideas to diaries, private correspondence and closed
meetings. In public they either ignored the subject of transfer
or spoke against it. Even those who did propose various
schemes were often reluctant to specifically suggest compulsory
transfer[1]. They relied on various euphemistic expressions
to convey their intentions regarding compulsion. I have
therefore made it an important aim of this work to ascertain
the private views of the proposers on this subject. The wording
of their proposals has also been carefully analysed to determine
whether the transfer of the Arabs from Palestine was intended
to be compulsory or voluntary.
E le stelle stanno a guardare.
[1] ethnic cleansing / pulizia etnica / deportazione
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