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Titolo: Upuaut 2 - UPDATE

From Rudolf Gantenbrink
[revised December 2001] The following items were put together using
information supplied by Rudolf Gantenbrink. They reflect his views on
the situation subsequent to his exploration of the shafts in the Great
Pyramid. Such information is published here with his kind permission.
The first section highlights disagreements with statements made by Dr
Hawass regarding further investigation of the "air shaft" door. The
second section provides an insight into the state of the ventilation
system installed in 1992.
A final section has been added to bring matters up-to-date. It lists
the various failed initiatives and gives what we understand to be the
latest news on the further exploration of the shafts. It also revisits
the problems experienced with the ventilation system.
Rudolf's own website The Upuaut Project went live in early May 1999.
It gives a full account of Rudolf's work up to the end of the 1993
season and is essential reading. The account is accompanied by over
sixty photographs of exceptional clarity and interactive CAD plans of
the Great Pyramid.
This page was originally added in June 1998.
Queen's Chamber Air Shaft Investigation 
The Great Pyramid Ventilation Scheme 
Bringing Matters Up-To-Date 
Queen's Chamber Air Shaft Investigation...
Rudolf's statement dates from April 1998 and is as follows:
In a recent meeting between Dr. Zahi Hawass and myself in Cairo, I
explained to Dr. Hawass several details related to the so called "air
shafts" inside the Cheops Pyramid. One of the issues discussed with
Dr. Hawass was reported on a interview from
http://www.guardians.net/spotlite/spotlgt2.htm
Dr. Hawass: We are not discovering anything in the Great Pyramid,
there is nothing really remaining to be discovered inside. Even though
we were prepared to investigate the so-called "door" inside the
pyramid that was found by Gantenbrink. We found that in Gantenbrink's
report when he recently visited me, looking more closely at the video
tape, we see that there really is no crack or an open area that we can
send a robot. We found that there is no shaft or small area,
underneath this stone to send a small robot or anything, this means
that we are not going to be able to investigate and see what's behind
it.
Guardian: There's no crack on the bottom of the slab found by the
robot at the end of the shaft that would allow even a small camera?
Dr. Hawass: There's no crack on the bottom, exactly. This is what the
media created and I never received a proper report from Gantenbrink,
because of the problems that we had with him. But when I met him last
week and when he showed me in the videos here what it looks like in
there, we did not really see any crack in the fitting. And therefore,
it's very difficult to decide to do anything further with this.
This interview has, and might further lead to misunderstandings. For
this reason I would like to clarify the following. I had a meeting
with Dr. Hawass in March of this year in Cairo. The reason for this
meeting was to inform Dr. Hawass personally about additional - still
unpublished - facts and observations made during my work in 1992 /
1993 on the so called air shafts inside the Cheops Pyramid. In this
meeting I have pointed out that a further investigation of the closure
stone at the end of the southern lower shaft by means of a fibre optic
has little chance to achieve the expected results. This is due to the
tremendous costs, and the poor results (due to light source
limitations) that can be expected in the worst case. The "fibre optic"
procedure had never been suggested by myself, and is therefore indeed
a true media creation.
Nevertheless, in that meeting I have informed Dr. Hawass equally about
far better high tech methods for a possible continuation of the
exploration. I do not at all agree with Dr. Hawass statement (that was
probably intended differently) "that there is nothing really remaining
to be discovered inside". It is, and remains a fact, that only further
research will allow this conclusion to be drawn. I am convinced that
Dr. Hawass - especially after our meeting - also sees the immediate
need to solve the questions that my work from 1992 / 1993 has raised.
Rudolf Gantenbrink Munich April 1998
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When this item first appeared on usenet, clarification was requested
on what the '"far better high tech methods" were. Rudolf replied as
follows:
"It is a bit complicated. One of the procedures works by injecting a
specified quantity of gas (FCKW) through the gap (5-8mm) below the
"door" by means of capillary stainless steel tubes (one for injection
and one for the analysis). If there is a purpose built volume (which
is to be expected relatively tight) we will get a certain gas
concentration after some time (in relation to the volume) that we can
measure. So we can determine the size of the volume as well. If there
is just the nucleus behind (open joints), the gas will just decrease
in its concentration progressively. The equipment for the procedure is
worth about 2 000 000 $ and can be purchased from one of my sponsors
(for me free of costs).
Another procedure: I am very much convinced, that we see only the
backside of the "door". If an engineer is supposed to fix something on
a stone slab (without glue and anchors), he would do the following: 1.
The "thing" that has to be fixed has two bolts fixed to it. 2. The
bolts are inserted in two holes which are drilled though the slab, so
that they penetrate the slab through the backside for some
centimetres. 3. Now the bolts can be bent 90° to fix the whole
arrangement safely. So what we see from the backside are only the bent
bolts, and that is exactly what we see on the "door". To find out if
this is really the case the robot can put a current to one of the
copper bolts. If this current can be measured at the other bolt (we
have a closed circuit), we know that the main part (and so the
functional one) of the "door" is located on the other side. There are
many more procedures, so take the two above (not a secret matter*)
just as examples. Greetings Rudolf"
*already published in the book IM SCHATTEN DER PYRAMIDEN by THORSTEN
SASSE / ECON VERLAG 1997
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Why Doesn't The Work Continue..?
Rudolf has been asked "Why doesn't the work continue?" The following
section is his response. Towers Online has made some minor corrections
to improve readability and has been very careful not to change the
intended meaning.
The Nature Of The Find:
1. Can the nature of the find be determined safely?
The result of the find is purely based on visual data . This data has
only two dimensions in space. There are no parallels to the find. No
ancient texts are known describing this arrangement. There are no
known ancient objects that can be compared in detail with the details
of the find. The answer therefore is NO.
2. Do all directly involved parties have all available information?
The digitally prepared visual data collected during the investigation
- showing details and evidence of Egyptologycal value - was never
evaluated by any Egyptologist. No request was ever put forward to
obtain such data, nor was any interest shown to take part in the
process of digital evaluation. The answer therefore is NO.
3. Are there any theories that can be backed by evidence about the
nature of the find?
Due to the points 1 and 2, there is no solid academic base for any
credible theory. The answer therefore is NO.
Conclusion No. 1: The Nature of the find can not be determined.
The Need For Further Investigation:
4. Can further research not be useful?
There is still very little known about Old Kingdom Pharaonic burials.
The so called air shafts of the Great Pyramid appear to be closely
related to such a Pharaonic burial and ancient beliefs. The shafts had
been misinterpreted as being only a few metres long and abandoned for
nearly one century, so proving that interpretation cannot replace
complete investigation. The northern shaft is not yet completely
explored and remains largely as a still totally unknown area. This
shaft could possibly hide evidence which would allow the whole nature
of the find to be understood. The answer therefore is NO.
5. Is a further investigation only of minor importance?
We are dealing with one of the most important and highly exposed
monuments in history. There is huge public interest in further
investigation. Due to this and to point 4, the investigation has major
importance. The answer therefore is NO.
Conclusion No. 2: Further investigation is scientifically needed.
Feasibility:
6. Are there technical problems in resuming further investigations?
The robot UPUAUT-2 is modified and tested for the exploration of the
northern shaft of the Queens Chamber and has been for more than four
years. Additional plug-ins for remote sensing, probe collecting, and
surveying have also been present for more than four years. Remote
analysing equipment was engineered three years ago and has been
available for more than two years. The answer therefore is NO.
7. Are there financial problems in resuming further investigations?
The UPUAUT-2 project had been totally financed though private sources.
The preparation of the equipment for the next operations has been
financed since four years ago, and there is also a budget for the
operational costs. No additional funding is needed The answer
therefore is NO.
8. Are there manpower problems in resuming further investigation?
From the technical side no additional manpower is needed. As the whole
of the UPUAUT project worked and works only with non-destructive
recorded imaging and remote sensing processes, it can be seen as a
"total archive system". Throughout the whole UPUAUT-2 campaign, no
Egyptologist or other academic person was present, proving that there
is no excessive need of manpower from this side. The answer therefore
is NO.
9. Are there political problems in resuming further investigation?
The Robot UPUAUT-2, now housed at the British Museum in London, has
been offered for further exploration to the Egyptian S.C.A. The robot
is already modified to be able to explore the northern shaft. The
training of a person to manoeuvre the robot was equally offered to the
S.C.A. Due to this the S.C.A. can resume the work without the
involvement of any other nation. The answer therefore is NO.
Conclusion No. 3: The resuming of the expedition has been easily
feasible for 4 years
Summary Of Conclusions:
The Nature of the find can not be determined. 
Further investigation is scientifically needed. 
The resuming of the expedition has been easily feasible for 4 years
This pragmatic analysis has been forgotten about in the world of
Egyptology. Downplaying, ignorance, academic shyness, and common
belief has replaced the process of science. Don't you call this a
scandal ?
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The Great Pyramid Ventilation Scheme...
On visits to the Great Pyramid in 1998, Towers Online often wondered
why conditions inside were so uncomfortable considering that the
pyramid was closed for some considerable time in 1992 for the
installation of a new ventilation system. The following item was
written using information provided by Rudolf Gantenbrink. It describes
the original scheme and gives the reasons for the situation in 1998.
The Great Pyramid Ventilation Scheme was designed and installed by
Rudolf Gantenbrink with the help of the German Archaeological
Institute in 1992. The task was divided into five main activities
To clear the upper air shafts which at the time were completely filled
with rubble, sand and jammed stones.
Lining out the damaged exit of the northern shaft (11m long) by means
of tubes at a height of 80m.
Design and construction of protections for the outlets of the shafts
against falling stones, debris and sand.
Erecting a wall inside the tunnel excavated by Caviglia at the point
where it meets the upper northern "air shaft" to create a defined
sealed section for a fan.
Installing a complete new electric power source and cables for the
ventilation units.
The ventilation scheme utilised two double stage ventilators. One was
installed at the inlet of the upper southern "air shaft" of the GP,
and the other was installed inside a tunnel excavated by Caviglia (not
visible for tourists) where it meets the upper northern "air shaft".
The system improved conditions inside the Great Pyramid to the maximum
extent possible (i.e. the humidity level inside the Great Pyramid was
made equal to the level outside) while utilising only one third of the
total system performance to do so.
In 1997, the fan fitted to the upper southern "air shaft" inlet was
removed. After strong protests from Gantenbrink, it was replaced,
however no attempt was made to reestablish a proper connection to the
"air shaft", for example it was not even bolted back into position.
The replaced fan performed no function other than to create a great
deal of noise. Gantenbrink approached the Supreme Council for
Antiquities on several occasions and offered to repair the system at
no cost. The offer was always declined. Gantenbrink estimates that the
original system could have been brought back into full working order
in about two days. It would seem that rather than accept his offer,
the SCA decided to install another system.
Gantenbrink makes the following statement about the situation at the
time (quoted verbatim):
"So all was done in 1992 with great success! It worked perfectly for
about two years, and than by lack of maintenance, mistreatment and
ignorance from the responsible person DR: ZAHI HAWASS (they switch it
off for the spiritual people, and forget to start it again) worked
with less and less performance until the last year where the
ventilators were removed for no reason at all (they still worked when
they were switched on, which was seldom the case)! Now Hawass hails to
the world that the French will install a "new" air-condition.
Bullshit, there is no need for a new air-condition! There is simply a
minor repair work of two days to do! But obviously somebody else would
like to get a bit of glory here. That is the single reason for the
French business (wouldn't it be a bit more logic to let me do the
little repair). Didn't Hawass already claim in the New Yorker that he
himself installed the air-condition? It is a true scandal, that what
counts in preservation is only the glory which comes out of it. Prof.
Stadelmann from the G.A.I. and Zahi Hawass both claimed to be the holy
preservators. None of them was ever interested to keep this
preservation intact, which was purely based on my work and my
initiative."
From a layman's point of view, it does seem most odd that Dr Hawass
and the SCA have now installed a replacement system when Rudolf
Gantenbrink offered to repair the original six year old system for no
charge and little effort.
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Bringing Matters Up-To-Date...
The following briefly documents the various announcements that have
been made regarding further exploration of the southern "air shaft"
leading from the Queen's Chamber. For the most part, the information
has been taken from pp398 - 403 of the hardback edition of "Giza: The
Truth" by Chris Ogilvie-Herald and Ian Lawton. Other sources are
identified where applicable.
At a presentation to the California Chapter of the American Research
Centre in Egypt (ARCE) in November 1995, Doctor Hawass stated that an
attempt to see what lay beyond the "door" would take place around May
1996.
An article in the Egyptian Gazette of the 31st March 1996 stated that
in September 1996 a team led by egyptian scientist Dr. Farouk El-Baz
would explore the shaft using another robotic camera. The team was to
include a Canadian company called Amtex and the German Institute for
Archaeology. Amtex, headed by Peter Zuuring subsequently went bankrupt
and Zuuring disappeared. (see also "Secret Chamber" by Robert Bauval,
p290)
In an interview broadcast by the Art Bell Radio Show in January 1998,
Doctor Hawass stated that he hoped to get beyond the door by May 1998.
In July 1998, Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald received information that Joe
Schor of the Schor Foundation was funding the construction of a
sophisticated robot. (In March 1999, Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald were
told by Joe Jahoda that Schor had looked into helping to fund a robot
to get the project started, but that Dr. Hawass had apparently found
another approach that would be put into operation at the end of 1999)
In September 1998, Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald received information that
a new robot designed and operated by NASA personnel was to go ahead in
Winter 98/Spring 99.
An article in the Al Ahram newspaper of the 5th November 1998 reported
Dr. Hawass as saying that the door would be opened during the
Millennium celebrations.
In April 1999, Lawton and Ogilvie-Herald received information that the
opening would be delayed until at least the 12th January 2000.
In a presentation to National Geographic in early December 1999, Dr.
Hawass "promised" that the door would be investigated in May 2000.
At a conference in London held on the 20-21st October 2001, Dr. Hawass
announced that a new robot had been designed by NASA and that tests to
explore the southern shaft will start in March 2002. Chris
Ogilvie-Herald attended the conference and in the Q & A session
following Hawass's lecture asked if there were any plans to explore
the northern shaft further to see if it was also blocked by a slab
similar to the "door" in the southern shaft. The answer was "no" which
seems surprising because it would add to our knowledge of the interior
construction of the pyramid and might also shed some light on the
purpose of the shafts.
The stories about the non-operation of the ventilation scheme also
rumble on. In June 2000, a writer to the (now defunct) EgyptNews_Talk
list mentioned that on a visit to the Great Pyramid earlier in that
month the interior was very hot and humid. The writer also mentioned
that only three hundred visitors a day are allowed to enter the
pyramid. This implied that either the replacement ventilation system
didn't work or that it wasn't switched on for some reason. At the
time, Towers Online commented that if this situation was allowed to
continue, the corridors and chambers of the Great Pyramid would once
again sustain serious damage which could provide a reason to
permanently close the Giza pyramids to visitors.
In March 2001, Towers Online received an update from a visitor to the
Great Pyramid on the afternoon of the 26th February 2001. Once again,
the ventilation system was not in operation. This was also the case
inside the Red (North) Pyramid at Dahshur on the afternoon of the 27th
February 2001, which in addition was suffering badly from the strong
aroma of bat droppings. On asking about the non-operation of the
ventilation system at Dahshur, our visitor was told that the system
had been out of action for some time. This is a cause for concern
because past experience has shown that the presence of visitors
combined with a lack of adequate ventilation causes damage to the
pyramids. Doctor Hawass has stated that in his opinion the pyramid
interiors should be closed to tourists. For example, in an article
entitled "Saving The Secrets Of The Sands" by Elizabeth Kay McCall, he
is quoted as saying, "...my philosophy is that the pyramids should not
be visited inside by tourists. The pyramids are tombs. In my opinion,
the magic of the pyramid is on the outside, not on the inside, but at
the same time, for tourism, we do balance the two...".
In October 2001, Joshua Calvert contacted Towers Online to pass on
information from a visitor to the Great Pyramid on the 20th September
2001. The reporter said it was very hot inside and that he sweated
profusely due to the high humidity and lack of oxygen, the interior
being "quite stuffy". Many thanks to Joshua Calvert for obtaining this
information and passing it on to Towers Online. We would be interested
to hear more situation reports at the usual address from anyone who
visits the Great Pyramid or indeed any of the other pyramids.

charge and little effort.
I prefer not to comment. To a technician, mistreatment of any
Meglio se non commento. Per un tecnico, maltrattare qualsiasi
kind of working equipment is a capital offense.
tipo di congegno funzionante e' reato capitale.
Leonardo

 Ammetto di essere un po' sconcertato da cotanta certezza.
ROTFL!
Rotolando per terra in preda alla risa!
--
"...l'uomo orgoglioso, ammantato d'una breve autorità, sommamente ignorante
di ciò di cui si crede più sicuro, nella sua essenza fregile, come uno
scimmione collerico, compie tali trucchi fantastici, al cospetto dell'alto
cielo, che gli angeli piangono"
"Misura per Misura"  William Shakespeare
      con rispetto
ALBION OF AVALON

Rotolando per terra in preda alla risa!
Uomo bianco, noi fare patto: tu non parlare di mio inglese ed io
lascio stare tuo italiano ;-)
Leonardo
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CHiedo perdono!! Sono stato frainteso.
Io ridevo per la "comica alternanza" fra inglese ed italiano. Inglese ottimo
per altro.
P.S. ho modificato la firma :o)) Speriamo!!!
--
"...l'uomo orgoglioso, ammantato d'una breve autorità, sommamente ignorante
di ciò di cui si crede più sicuro, nella sua essenza fregile, come uno
scimmione collerico, compie tali trucchi fantastici, al cospetto dell'alto
cielo, che gli angeli piangono"  "Misura per Misura"  William Shakespeare
         ALBION OF AVALON

Io ridevo per la "comica alternanza" fra inglese ed italiano.
Be', questo e' un gruppo italiano, d'altra parte ad un messaggio
inglese e' educato rispondere in inglese, sicche'...
Leonardo

the same time, for tourism, we do balance the two...".
E poi c'e' il tira-e-molla delle notizie sul seguito
dell'esplorazione, degli annunci disattesi, di cui l'ultimo, secondo
il quale il condotto verra' esplorato a partire dal marzo 2002 grazie
a un robot della NASA (ma perche' un altro robot? non ce n'era gia'
uno perfettamente in grado di svolgere il lavoro? e perche' proprio
della NASA?). Che ci siano davvero consistenti bustarelle dietro
questo alternarsi di candidati all'esplorazione?
Senza contare che Hawass non prevede l'esplorazione del condotto nord,
per vedere se anche li' si trova una porticina... come se la questione
non fosse per nulla interessante.
Credo che non dovremmo aspettarci gran che', date le premesse;
l'intenzione sembra quella di "coprire", anziche' "scoprire" cosa c'e'
dietro la lastra, e per di piu' di farlo senza turisti rompiscatole
intorno. 
Ma perche'?
Cosa si aspettano di trovare?
Ciao
Up

Cosa si aspettano di trovare?
La propria poltrona ancora calda.


 tombe... o__O
Al di là del discorso sul sistema di ventilazione (chissà, magari
Gantenbrick ha veramente sbagliato qualcosa di macroscopico nei lavori, chi
può dirlo?), mi sembra che la figura di Hawass ne esca ancora una volta come
quella del conservatore, più che del ricercatore.
Hai visto il film "La mummia"? C'erano quei beduini tatuati in faccia che
facevano parte di una setta millenaria a protezione dei segreti dei faraoni.
Ecco, non mi stupirebbe se queste sette esistessero veramente e se Hawass ne
facesse parte.
Forse un giorno lo si vedrà con un mantello bianco a fare riti nei boschi.
...Aspetta un attimo,questo mi ricorda qualcun'altro... 'O_o

facesse parte.
Oltre a quello di Occam esiste un altro rasoio attribuito ad Hanlon:
"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity."


 stupidity."
:-/

 
Si presuppone in chi frequenta .it la conoscenza almeno passiva
dell'italiano.
Follwup
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http://digilander.iol.it/mmanca

...Aspetta un attimo,questo mi ricorda qualcun'altro... 'O_o
ROTFL!!!!!
Con la piccola ma importante differenza che Antonio farebbe fare tutte
le ricerche possibili e anche quelle impossibili, se potesse... :o)))
Ciao
Up

Cosa si aspettano di trovare?
Nulla, o meglio, non vogliono che si investighi. Conservare e basta. 
Mi ricorda un po' il venerabile Jorge nel "Nome della Rosa". Il
vecchio monaco si comportava nei riguardi della biblioteca del
monastero un po' come Hawass nei riguardi delle piramidi e della
Sfinge.
Mi sa che qualcuno dovrà provare ad intrufolarsi di nascosto, come il
buon fra Guglielmo nel romanzo ;-)
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E' scandaloso che dopo la scoperta del Upuaut non si sia piu' investigato.
Effettivamente questo fa sorgere piu' di un dubbio sulla volonta' da parte
di Hawass di portare alla luce uno straccio di verita'.
Le piramidi sono tombe a in quella di Cheope non e' stato mai trovato il
sarcofago con i resti.
E' cosi' difficile pensare che possa essere ancora dentro?
Poi dopo secoli che nessuno si pone il problema un robottino ci fa vedere
che alla fine di un condotto largo 20cm e alto uguale , lungo (non vorrei
sbagliarmi) una sessantina di metri e, tra l'altro neanche inlinea retta
c'e' un artefatto che lo ostruisce,. artefatto che pare essere una piccola
porta .A questo punto .......niente il tutto non sembra essere interessante.
Come si fa a questo punto a non credere ad una sorta di complotto?
Vorrei porre alcune domande :
Visto che le dimensioni della piramide si conoscono e' cosi' difficile
identificare ( come posizione nello spazio all'interno della piramide) dove
e' situato questo "tappo"??
Se e' li qualcuno ce l'ha messo , allora non c'e' nessuno che butta giu' uno
straccio di ipotesi su come ci si possa arrivare?
Io non sono un archelogo pero' queste sono domande che si porrebbe anche un
bambino.
Ciao Cheope

 E' scandaloso che dopo la scoperta del Upuaut non si sia piu' investigato.
Già, proprio vero.
Riporto un articolo di qualche anno fa ma che a quanto pare sempre
"cowboy" Hawass rende ancora attuale...
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Misteri e bugie
di Mario Angri (da un articolo della defunta rivista "I Misteri")
Il custode della Piana di Giza ha dichiarato che non ci sono più
enigmi sotto le piramidi. Ma intanto, fervono scavi dei quali nessuno
sa nulla.
Recentemente il professor Zahi Hawass "alto custode" dell'ortodossia
per quanto riguarda le antichità egizie, ha accettato di mettersi a
confronto, in una popolare trasmissione televisiva, con John Anthony
West, uno degli studiosi favorevoli a riscrivere la cronologia della
civiltà, retrodatando di cinquemila anni la realizzazione della Sfinge
e delle piramidi. Come dire che prima delle civiltà conosciute, ce
n'era stata un'altra della quale solo adesso ci accorgiamo.
Hawass è di tutt'altro parere. La storia non va toccata, le date
stabilite dagli archeologi sono sacre, e se per caso i geologi dicono
che quelle pietre sono, fisicamente, molto più vecchie vuol dire che a
sbagliare sono loro, non gli storici. Di fronte a West e alle
telecamere, ha ribadito che non ci sono domande da porsi, tutto è già
stato scavato, tutto datato correttamente, non ci sono "camere
segrete" sotto le piramidi, la sfinge è una giovinetta, la civiltà
egizia è sorta come un fungo dal deserto. Non ci sono ricerche
riservate in corso, non è stato nascosto niente, tutto avviene alla
luce del sole.
Peccato che, poche settimane prima di questa esibizione, un gruppo di
ricercatori inglesi - Lynn Picknett, Clive Prince e Simon Cox -
avessero rivelato, nel numero di luglio del mensile Fortean Times, una
loro scoperta che getta una certa ombra sulla sincerità del dottor
Hawass. Infiltratisi nella Grande Piramide il 31 marzo scorso, i tre
hanno trovato le prove che è in corso una ricerca archeologica
segreta, della quale nessuno sapeva nulla, e i cui risultati non sono
stati resi noti.
"C'è un tunnel segreto nella Grande Piramide", scrivono i tre. "Lo
sappiamo bene perché lo abbiamo visto coi nostri occhi e l'abbiamo
fotografato e ripreso con la videocamera". Dal primo aprile la
piramide è chiusa "per restauri"; proprio l'ultimo giorno disponibile
i tre, dopo essere entrati, si sono nascosti nel piccolo vestibolo
prima della Camera del Re e lì hanno osservato "un particolare
anomalo: nel muro c'era una grata metallica fissata con griffe, in un
punto in cui pochi mesi prima non era visibile altro che un solido
blocco di pietra". Evidentemente dietro quel blocco in precedenza
c'era "qualcosa"...
I tre hanno trovato tracce di cemento fresco attorno alla grata, segno
che l'installazione era recente. "Inviando il raggio di una torcia al
di là della grata, abbiamo visto cavi elettrici che correvano su per
il tunnel; si sentiva anche una vibrazione, come di un generatore o
forse una scavatrice.... Per terra c'erano bottiglie di plastica
vuote, lasciate probabilmente dagli operai che lavoravano nel tunnel".
Non è la prima volta che i tre ricercatori si accorgono che intorno
alla Grande Piramide avviene qualcosa di strano. Simon Cox nel
febbraio scorso era riuscito a discendere in un "pozzo" nella Camera
Sotterranea, e aveva trovato un falso pavimento coperto di sabbia e
detriti sistemato evidentemente per nascondere tracce di scavi
recenti. Uno dei custodi ha poi ammesso che tre nuove cavità erano
state scoperte oltre le pareti della Camera del Re, ma non sapeva che
cosa contenessero. Va notato che anche la Piramide di Chefren è stata
chiusa a lungo (circa un anno) "per restauri": ma alla riapertura
nessuno ha visto l'ombra degli interventi eseguiti.
La denuncia dei tre ricercatori ha ridato impulso alle voci che
circolano da qualche mese, e che parlano di ritrovamenti, di
prospezioni segrete, di camion militari che nottetempo portano via
materiali dalla piana di Giza. C'è chi giura che fra le cose venute
alla luce ci sia la statua di un uomo dai lineamenti
inequivocabilmente africani (come la Sfinge..) che siede nella
posizione del loto e alza gli occhi verso uno dei condotti puntati
verso la stella Sirio.
Edgard Cayce, il "profeta" americano, disse che entro la fine di
questo secolo si sarebbero trovati sotto le piramidi gli archivi che
risalgono alla civiltà di Atlantide. Non pretendiamo tanto. Ma
vorremmo proprio sapere per quale motivo il custode dei monumenti
della Piana di Giza affermi decisamente che nessuno nasconde nulla,
che non ci sono nuovi reperti da portare alla luce, quando proprio
sotto le piramidi fervono lavori avvolti in un mistero più fitto di
quello dei millenni.
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Bye Krmel
-- 
Cosa fanno Polidoro, Angela, Garlaschelli ecc. davanti ad un bagno?
Il CIsCAP

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Per motivi di potere, chiaro.
Ciao, Giulio.
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bambino.
Gia'. Invece a Zahi non sembra interessare gran che', dato che non
c'e' piu' nulla da scoprire nelle piramidi... o__O
Quanto al complotto, mi sembra evidente che c'e' qualcuno che vuole
evitare i ficcanaso...
Ciao
Up

 senno' non si capisce! ^__^
Pure Luigi The Ghost hai plonkato? ;-)
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verso la stella Sirio.
Pazzesco...
Basterebbe anche solo la notizia di tre nuove cavita' scoperte nella
camera del Re e di cui non e' stato reso noto nulla, per sobbalzare
sulla sedia.
Insomma, stanno conducendo da anni indagini tenute segrete, quindi
ritengono che ci sia qualcosa da scoprire (mentre Hawass sostiene il
contrario), probabilmente hanno gia' scoperto qualcosa di
interessante, ma nessuno ne sa nulla, se non attraverso indiscrezioni,
soffiate, blitz di coraggiosi armati di videocamera.
Se si trattasse di semplici scoperte archeologiche, tutto questo agire
in segreto non avrebbe senso (salvo il fatto che queste scoperte
potrebbero ribaltare la storia conosciuta e cio' potrebbe infastidire
qualcuno...). Se si tratta di altro... mah, le ipotesi potrebbero
essere molte.
Come si fa a non diventare complottisti, in queste circostanze? :o)
Ciao
Up

 soffiate, blitz di coraggiosi armati di videocamera.
Insomma, Hawass segue scupolosamente le istruzioni e svolge egregiamente
il ruolo di Guardiano dei Segreti delle Piramidi!! E poi dove sta scritto
che tutti debbano sapere tutto? Da dove proviene questa illusoria
convinzione che la conoscenza sia alla portatata di ciascuno senza
fatica ne sudore? La storia insegna ... mai successo. ;-)
Observer


Penso di si ma visto l'ora a cui ho scritto il messaggio non sono sicuro
neanche di essere stato nel pieno delle mie facolta' visive e motorie? :)))
Di quella notte ricordo solo due luci abbaglianti:
quella con lo yougurt doveva essere il frigo......
Ciao Cheope
P.S Non date retta a quella testa vuota di Hawass!!! TIRATEMI FUORI DA
QUESTA C....O DI PIRAMIDE!!!!

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3025da5c.0202...@posting.google.com...
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Pure Luigi The Ghost hai plonkato? ;-)
Forse mi sono già attirato l'ira del Grande Guardiano di Giza!!! :-)
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e' situato questo "tappo"??
Credo proprio di no.
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quello dei millenni.
Perchè IMHO il buon Zahi vuole:
- evitare figuracce in caso di mancata scoperta
- attribuirsi tutto il merito di eventuali clamorose scoperte
- effettuare il cover-up su eventuali scoperte che dovessero mettere
in discussione troppe cose...
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 trovare anche qualcosa di piů... tangibile ;-)
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Postarli con la traduzione in italiano no?
Ecco qua.
http://translate.google.com/translate_c?hl=it&sl=en&u=http://www.towers-online.co.uk/pages/gantenbk.htm&prev=/
Upghghgh
-- 
"Dubitare di tutto o credere a tutto sono due soluzioni 
ugualmente confortevoli, giacchč ambedue dispensano dal
compito di pensare."   
Henri Poincarč

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:93bj7u4f0i84sevgq...@4ax.com...
| Il giorno Sat, 23 Feb 2002 15:10:00 +0100, "El Barto" <a@b.c> ha
| scritto:
|
| >Postarli con la traduzione in italiano no?
|
| Ecco qua.
|
http://translate.google.com/translate_c?hl=it&sl=en&u=http://www.towers-onli
ne.co.uk/pages/gantenbk.htm&prev=/
|
|
Guarda che io non ho nessuna difficolta' a fare la traduzione. Non ho detto
che non conosco l'inglese (ci lavoro!) ma credo di aver fatto trasparire che
e' una lingua che detesto!
Se rileggi il mio post, facevo notare che siamo su una gerarchia IT., quindi
i post non in italiano sono da considerarsi delle intrusioni (nel mio caso:
sgradite).
Buenas tardas, ou revoire, sayonara ...... good by.
--
El Barto!

sayonara
Ehi! questa e' giusta. Che sia un errore?
--AG