Newsgroup: it.cultura.linguistica.italiano
Titolo: Gaetana & Calogera

I think this is the expert forum to ask -
if someone was given these names,  what names might thet use in English?
I think Lillian (?) for Gaetana?
What about the origins of these names?
grazie!

 grazie!
Prego!
Ciao,
Epimetheus
---
"... scusa ma ti chiamo 'Amore',
non so dire nulla più...
Scusa se ti ho dato un nome,
dico solo che sei tu..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGy4BAV9DFo
(cit. nominale)

 greco ("cal-" mi ricorda "bello").
Per "Gaetano" confermo la cittadinanza gaetana.
Il mio vecio Rocci riporta, per "kaietas", il significato di "fossa,
burrone, crepaccio".
Anche il toponimo "Kaiadas" (Ceada) si riferirebbe a un burrone "dove
gittavansi i malfattori", a Sparta.
Quanto a "Calogero" confermo, sempre in greco, la bellezza di "kalòs" e la
vecchiaia di "ghèras": si tratta dunque di un "bel vecchio".
Ciao.
Epimeteo
---
"... ein alter Kellner,
un vecchio cameriere,
anche la sua coscienza
getta sulla terra dolori e sofferenza.
I piedi che gli dolgono, la moglie pazza,
e quanto gliene viene
dal fatto che egli è un uomo
e appartiene alla razza..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHc45G_3sFs
(cit. di brutta vecchiaia)

 What about the origins of these names?
Gaetano and Calogero are male names, and are more used in southern 
Italy. The female form Gaetana and Calogera should be rare (actually 
I've never heard the second one, and very rarely the first one ... in 
partial contradiction to the quoted southern usage, I heard it as the 
name of the milanese mathematician Gaetana Agnesi, but that was at least 
two centuries ago).
Anyhow Calogero is a greek word, I hope somebody who knows Greek can 
comment on it. Gaetano etimologically means "inhabitant of Gaeta", which 
is a port on the border between Latium and Campania.
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 on it.
Ci ha gi� pensato Epy. Io aggiungo che "Kal�gheros" in greco � il
frate o il monaco e "Kal�ghria" la suora.
E.D. 

 comment on it. Gaetano etimologically means "inhabitant of Gaeta"
Kalos-geras means "beautiful oldman", or someone having some prestige, 
like a priest or a religious.
-- 
Eîpen dè ho Iesoûs, oudè egó se katakríno: poreúou, kaì
apò toû nûn mekéti hamártane (Euaggélion katà Ioánnen, 8,11)

 Italy. The female form Gaetana and Calogera should be rare
yes I thought rare - but they appear in my family - Sicilian roots. 
Calogera went by the nam Lillian in the USA for whatever reason...

ramito, 03:54, mercoledě 9 giugno 2010:
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Lilla Brignone was a famous Italian actress.
Liliana Cosi is a classic dance ballerina.
-- 
In a Hong Kong supermarket:
"For your convenience, we recommend courageous, efficient
self-service."

 Lilla Brignone was a famous Italian actress.
But are you sure "Lilla" is a "diminutivo" (shortened nickname) for 
Liliana ? Liliana is strictly with a single "l", not a double "l".
Could "Lilla" derive from some other name ? A schoolmate had a sister 
nicknamed "Lella" but her complete name was "Graziella".
The TV journalist (and former European MP) Lilli Gruber has some 
ostrogothic full name like Dietlinde or Gudrun or Sigrid ...
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 Could "Lilla" derive from some other name ? 
Avevo un'amica di nome Letteria che si faceva chiamare Lilla.
E.D.

 Avevo un'amica di nome Letteria che si faceva chiamare Lilla.
Lilla, Lella, Lalla, Nella, and so on, are jolly nicknames adopted by a 
number of girls and ladies whose entire names could be very different.
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 (cit. di brutta vecchiaia)
Alto gradimento per la cit.
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 different.
I thought these "diminutivi" had to be somewhat related with the real 
name. Like my cousin Dino whose real name is Defendente Vladimiro. 
"Defendente" is a common name in the town where he is born (local 
saint). Common abbreviations Defendente -> Fendo -> Fendino -> Dino.
Otherwise the nickname would not be a diminutivo but a soprannome 
(totally unrelated). Like Tarcisio detto Marco.
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 saint). Common abbreviations Defendente -> Fendo -> Fendino -> Dino.
Right, but the simplest of them are used for various names. Rino, for 
example, is a diminutivo for Gennaro, Walter, Marino, Rosario, etc
Dino can work with Alfredo (Alfredino), Goffredo, Manfredi, etc and 
other can work for a variety of names. Many italians use nicks like 
Dado, Lino, Lillo, Titti, etc: good for all purposes :)
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 Alto gradimento per la cit.
Commosso ringraziamento per l'attn.
Epy
---
"... grazie perchï¿½,
anche lontano,
tendo la mano
e trovo la tua..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3e7v67ZT4M
(cit. di gratitudine)

 ...
 
Dietlinde, I think it's not Ostrogothic, perhaps it is
Longobard; it comes from Theudelinde:
«From the Germanic name Þeudelinda, derived from the elements
þeud "people" and linde "soft, tender". Theudelinda was a
6th-century queen of the Lombards.»
Teodolinda Gruber.
-- 
"I don't believe in astrology.  But then I'm an Aquarius, and
Aquarians don't believe in astrology."
                -- James R. F. Quirk

 Theudelinda was a 6th-century queen of the Lombards
E vuoi che un milanese (anche se non monzese) non conosca la regina 
Teodolinda moglie di Autari e Agilulfo ?
Incidentally, one of my father's aunts had as full name Teodolinda, but 
was just called Linda. She was a peasant.
About Ostrogothic or not, I did not put in relation "Theudelinda" and 
"Dietlinde", but a posteriori it is obviously the same relation by which 
the Ostrogothic king Theodoricus (Thiuda reiks) known in some legends as 
"Teodorico da Verona" becomes "Dietrich von Bern".
Theudelinda was not Langobard herself, she was daughter of Garibald, 
kind of the Bavari (Bayern). Just checked all the stories in my copy of 
the Historia Langobardorum.  Found that in the same times, names with 
prefix "Theud-" were also common with the Franks (HL quotes at least a 
Frank king Theudepert)
Quindi Ostrogoti, Bavari, Longobardi, Franchi ... sempre "Theudeschi" 
sono ...  c'entrera' anche l'espressione gergale lombarda "Tuderi" ?
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