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Titolo: .......Questo scenario per il 26 ottobre vi sta bene?

Buongiorno!
" Se "  qualcosa di " simile "   o che avesse le stesse consequenze
dovesse arrivare veramente......... in quanti sarebbero pronti....  le
borse mondiali salirebbero fino a quanto ? :-))))  ..... e i grafici
sarebbero sempre verde? ... :-))))
...." Keep in mind that the following is all hypothetical " ......,
but it serves to illustrate what could happen and how America's future
- both financially and Constitutionally - could be changed again, just
as it was in reaction to the events of 9/11:
...... Monday morning, October 26th seemed to start off like any other
day.  Some forecasters who had been anticipating a major break in the
recently frothy stock market were wondering what had happened to their
projected break when the market opened, but for the most part it was a
typical late October market open; a little weakness at the open, but
the market had managed to climb to 10,350 on the Dow a week earlier
despite protests by analysts that it was just another bubble and the
big downside gap would soon be upon us.
However between 9:33 and 9:45 AM Eastern time, that changed as 19
heavily armed three-man teams of operatives broke into gasoline
storage tank yards around America and stole a total of 19 fully loaded
gasoline tankers.
The theft had been in the works for more than five years, despite the
best efforts of the Department of Homeland Security.  The teams, most
of whom had trained in the Middle East and has simply walked into the
US from Mexico,  had been watching the gasoline loading yards and knew
with some precision the best moment to strike.  Not only did they
methodically cut telephone lines serving the facilities, but they
murdered in cold blood the small number of guards and yard workers who
briefly opposed them.
The theft of the tanker truck fleet was diabolically detailed,  right
down to the means to disable the truck's GPS location systems which
might have alerted authorities to their intentions when they left
expected routes.  It would be a half hour before a national monitoring
center would notice course and departure deviations, and by the plan
would be well past stopping.
The motives behind the cities selected for the attacks was not
immediately clear.  However, 23-minutes later when nine of the tanker
trucks were driven at speeds over 70 MPH into buildings which housed
the back office computer systems for America's largest banks, four
telephone exchanges, and three satellite uplink sites and three fiber
optic centers, the selection process became instantly clear: The
operatives were determined to destroy key infrastructure that
supported 63% of America's financial transaction network, the
internet, and public phone systems.
The results of the attacks became immediately clear:  Within minutes,
telephone lines, both fiber and copper that served the banking centers
in Ohio and the Carolinas had been ruined.  Repairs to the banking
back offices would take weeks, if not months.
Because of a mysteriously timed underground fires in multiple
telephone rooms in New York, nearly all of America's banking & finance
infrastructure was off line.  At 11:09 Eastern time ATM card
processing for virtually all Americans ground to a halt.  Over 20-
million Americans were effectively broke that very second.
The news was, of course, immediately flashed on the major news
networks.  Via satellite and cable downlinks it was reported as
another al Qaida terrorist attack was to blame and immediately the
White House vowed to track down those responsible and exact revenge.
But it was too late.  The perpetrators were all dead either by
incineration as the tankers blew up, or through self immolation as the
terrorists who remained behind in the petroleum distribution yards set
those facilities ablaze, resulting in energy shortages that would
persist for months.
As the fires burned in what had formerly been computerized financial
nerve centers, the resulting monetary chaos was only beginning.
Besides ATMs malfunctioning, online banking was instantly frozen and
funds could not be transferred to complete pending transaction on Wall
Street or in the commodities markets.  Banks which were already hard-
pressed because of continuing pressures from commercial real estate
borrowers found they suddenly had no clue as to what balances were.
Even if the dispersed location computer centers had not been
destroyed, just remounting disk images would take at least a day, and
then there would be the shift of financial transaction volumes to the
systems which were not attacked; they'd never handle the additional
traffic loads, however.
Within a few minutes of the initial attacks, it became clear to
financial regulators that the stock, bond, and commodity markets would
have to be shut down.  The Dow had dropped more than 900 points and
was well under the 10,000 level within minutes of the news bulletins.
Within minutes of that and now with the Dow down 1,365 points, the
NYSE suspended trading.
Three hours into the crisis, at 2 PM the president held a brief news
conference.
"Ladies and gentlemen, as you are no doubt aware, this morning America
has sustained a second terrorist attack which attempts to create the
kind of damage to our great country that 9/11 inflicted in 2001.
I don't have complete details yet, but what we do know is that this
morning a number of terrorist teams hijacked fully laden fuel tankers
and smashed them into key banking and financial computer centers in
multiple states.  These attacks were high coordinated and designed to
cripple America's financial system. They also targeted key
communications switching points for our nation's fiber optics network.
Our Homeland Security officials have a carefully crafted response for
such an event as this and we are activating that plan effective
immediately.
The first stage of the plan is an orderly shut-down of financial
markets.  As I speak, the New York stock exchange and the commodity
exchanges have suspended operations.  They will be reopened as soon as
our financial system is stable again.
America's foreign financial operations are also all immediately
frozen.  Those banks which have not suffered damage in the attack have
now been firewalled to prevent funds from being pulled out of our
system.
You may experience some personal discomfort over the next several
weeks as our nation's top computer experts work to bring systems back
on line.  However, until that time, I am ordering the immediate
suspension of ATM transactions and cash machine withdrawals.  Further,
because runs on banks not damaged  in the attacks would quickly
cripple our ability to recover, I am ordering a two week National
Financial Holiday.
During this period, no bank, no ATM, no cash machine, and no stores
will be open after tomorrow. I expect you to buy some food, but be
prepared to pay in cash and share with your family and your neighbors,
since we do not know how long our recovery could take.  The Secretary
of Homeland Security assures me we should have key systems back in
operation within two week, or three at most, but until then, we must
all work together and share what we can.
I realize that this will present a tremendous hardship on you.
However, if we were to allow only certain banks to remain open, and if
we allow certain stores to continue in operation, their continued
transactions will continue to build systemic unbalances that could
collapse our entire economy.  Our nation's best strategic planners
have built a roadmap for this eventuality and they call the quickest
recovery path "Freeze Frame" so that's what we run with.
My Council of Economic Advisors has been consulted and concurs
unanimously:  If only some American businesses are allowed to operate,
it will simply compound - if not make impossible - the eventual
reconciliation between operating and non-functioning systems.
In order to facilitate prompt economic recovery, we must therefore do
what the people in Hollywood would call a 'freeze-frame' of where we
were when these attacks took place.
Therefore, I have drafted an emergency order that will roll back all
prices, and all bank account balances and all securities holdings to
levels that were in place at exactly 11:59 Eastern time Sunday night,
October 25th.  That means stock prices will be reset to last Friday's
closing prices, account holdings will be reset, bank ATM transactions
reset and so forth.
America has not been unprepared for this event.  As a part of our
substantial recovery plan which will be implemented by Homeland
Security, for the next two weeks, I am ordering all emergency services
personnel  in city, county and state government to continue working.
In addition to regular fire and police services, I have instructed
USNORTHCOM, the US Army's Northern American Command, to assist - and
where necessary direct - local peacekeeping and public safety.  This
order extends to sanitation workers, health departments, as well as
utility workers.
The nation can not stop right now and promise you how you will be paid
if you're an emergency worker, but we have the full faith and credit
of America at hand as I assure you, your national will compensate you
generously once we are through the terrible emergency of this moment.
Effective immediately, public gatherings will not be allowed because
of security concerns. I have directed the Department of Defense to
close down all internet DNS name server operations as well, in order
to facilitate the reconstruction of our national infrastructure upon
which our financial services backbone depends.  While you will not be
able to surf the net, although email servers will be allowed to
continue in operation so that you may send messages to family members
and friends.  However, online chat and surfing is being tuned off as I
speak to you in order that data recovery teams will have whatever
bandwidth and resources they need in order to facilitate recovery.
As to who committed this outrageous attack on America, we do not yet
know.  We have our suspicions, but they are only that.  The US
Department of Justice will be working with Homeland Security to
attempt to identify the source of this outrage and when it is
conclusively found, America will show the world our full wrath.  We
will not sacrifice our freedoms and we will show no mercy to those who
would steal them from us.
I realize that the prospect of two weeks with no work, no internet
service and having to share with your neighbors in order to get along
will impose a tremendous hardship on all Americans.
I ask that if you have food and supplies that you share generously
with your neighbors.  It's at times like these that America's churches
and synagogues can help by organizing local food programs to ensure
American's don't go hungry. DHS has already trained thousands of
religious leaders on their critical role in a time like this.
I have asked that libraries remain open and that newspapers continue
to publish.  We want an informed America because an informed nation is
a strong nation.
America has pulled together in previous times of crisis in our
nation's history- and we will do so now in response to the latest
attempt to steal our freedom.  America's response will be quick, our
recovery swift and our vengeance sure.
With your help America will be back online in just a few short weeks.
Our markets will reopen, our stores will be full again.  We will not
lose sight of what President Theodore Roosevelt said:  Believe you can
and you're half way there.  I know working together we will pull
though through this difficult time a stronger nation for that which
doesn't kill us makes us stronger.
Thank you, and God bless America."
As the presidential news conference ended, scores of internet based
services were already blinking off as NORTHCOM asserted its control of
the internet.  Unknown to the public, numeric IP addresses would
continue to operate, but because virtually all web sites are known to
their users only by their names turning down the internet became a
simple mattering of turning off name servers.
The three weeks that followed were among America's most difficult:
Utilities became intermittent and energy supplies became erratic,
foreign nations turned around ships laden with energy products and
consumer items, having lost faith in America's ability to recover and
make good its debts.
While US commodity traders were locked out, the US dollar began a free
fall in foreign markets, shedding more three-quarters of its previous
value.  The effect of the FOREX change - which came on top of already
underway moves to replace the dollar as the currency of choice in
energy trades, means that the price of a barrel of oil soared from $73
to $350 by the time markets were set to reopen the morning of November
16th.
Other commodities had soared, too.  Gold was trading at $4,480 an
ounce and silver had jumped from its early October range around 16.75
to $134 an ounce.  Wheat which had been trading under $5 a bushel had
climbed to 21.75 but on the other side of the equation, the price of
consumer electronics based on the internet collapsed.
When the Dow reopened, it hit 3783 within minutes of the opening with
similar sized losses in other indices as well.
During the crisis, emails circulating on the internet in viral fashion
had suggested that the timing of the attacks was a little too
coincidental.  One the emails which went viral included this one:
"This crisis has all the hallmarks of another LIHOP/MIHOP (let it
happen on purpose/made it happen on purpose) event just as 9/11.  When
one looks at the long wave performance of both events, their timing
seems related to the pending breakdown of market wave counts.
In the case of 9/11, the 'terrorist' attack came just before the
American public would have recognized that 2000 really was the long
wave top in the market.  The point of recognition that would have
resulted in the onset at that time of a Second Depression was thus
avoided by the deft use of terror as an economic tool.
This second event - which we're being asked to again believe was a
terrorist event, came at the moment when again the public was on the
verge of recognizing the reality of the Second Depression.  The only
thing that's different is the wave count going into the event.
At a macro level, 9/11 was the point where 'wave one down' would have
been recognized.  Thanks to 'terrorism' giving government an excuse to
start up two wars, prevent collapse of the defense industries, already
weakened from the warming of US relations with Russia, and imposing
more government controls via Homeland Security, so too, this second
'terrorist' event has suspicious timing.
It comes as the nation has just completed a huge Wave 2 high in
October of 2007.  That's when the real estate bubble peaked.  The Wave
3 (A) first move down was through March of 2009, and this was followed
by the Wave 3 (B) b ounce into mid October where the Dow exceeded
10,300.
This latest 'terror' event came at the precise moment that public
recognition of Wave 3 (C) would have resulted in an uncontrolled
economic collapse.
While the government may not have been able to prevent the collapse of
the market, it was able to use the situation to its own purposes which
included:
Establishing a kind of joint custody of the American public, in many
case superseding local government control over law enforcement and
first responders.
Reducing stockpiles of food and supplies held by 'preppers'.
Opening the door to government taxation of private transaction in gold
and silver.
Radically increasing government control of the internet and
communications, the net of which is to prevent, or at least control,
the right of electronic peaceful assembly and free speech.
When the government decides to bring the financial system on line,
look for false accusations against bloggers, especially those who
support the Constitution and are critical of the Federal Reserve's
carefully orchestrated destruction of the US dollar of which this
event has been a part.
We're seeing the final stage of globalism:  At first globalism was a
way to bring more cheap goods into America so that its standard of
living could be raised.  However, now that mass commoditization is
complete, this so-called terrorist event is aimed at reducing
America's standard of living by blaming people who live in some of the
most inhospitable places on earth instead of the real perpetrators who
live in the comfort their ultra rich status affords them."
Within a month of the attack, it was 'found' unsurprisingly that the
attacks had been carried out by a new group of Islamic extremists who
were trained in Pakistan.  America vowed to search out and destroy her
enemies there, while it was lost on most people that America's recent
warring, over the past decade or longer, had been focused on Islamic
nations with resources to be grabbed or populations to be reduced
since Islam was quickly catching up to population levels of the Anglo-
Industrial paradigm supporting religions led by Consumerists, a
religion based on the almighty dollar.
Dollars, having been devalued quickly in the wake of the the banking
systemic failure under attack began flooding back to America from
overseas repositories, quickly resulting in a second and even larger
round of hyperinflation.  By the end of January 2010, the inflation
rate was approaching 70% and gold was past $12,000 an ounce while
silver had just sailed through $800.
A presidential commission was appointed to seek the causes.  Anyone
who didn't specifically toe the line in supporting the
administration's viewpoints, or who questioned the timing of what was
presented as obviously a terrorist event was branded Un-American and
tough new censorship rules were applied to both news publications and
bloggers alike including stiff jail terms, seizure of assets including
and especially web servers.  Dissent was stifled at all levels under
increasingly security invasive laws.
PS: mi sono preso uno stop a 6400 di SMI ..... Non mi resta che ri-
incominciare da piú in alto....
--
Ciao.... 1lm Luciano

 incominciare da piï¿œ in alto....
Ognuno mette in pratica le strategie che piï¿œ preferisce....ma sottolinea
ogni volta che intervieni che tipo di operazione stai compiendo, in quale
scenario siamo e il livello di rischio. ;-)
In parole povere....sei CONTRARIAN RIBASSISTA, in uno scenario RIALZISTA,
consapevole che al massimo potrai guadagnare il 100% (chiusura mondiale di
tutte le borse) a fronte di una perdita ILLIMITATA.
Ah!....aggiungi pure che operi sulle chiacchiere che trovi in giro, senza
il supporto di analisi tecnica o fondamentale....cosï¿œ...tanto per dire
qualcosa IT sul gruppo.. ;-)))))))))))))))))))
Sai....ci leggono in molti niubbi e tu sei uno dei piï¿œ autorevoli
scrittori per la forma con cui ti proponi.......
I contenuti invece lasciano a desiderare... :-D
A presto...
-- 
Meglio fare invidia che compassione....
www.orsotoro.blogspot.com
P.S. ...le informazioni diffuse sulla borsa e
l\' economia in generale sono come il bikini: .. fanno vedere
tutto eccezione fatta per l\' essenziale....


rotfl !
:-) 

 I contenuti invece lasciano a desiderare... :-D
Mica tanto dal momento che il tuo .......
P.S. ...le informazioni diffuse sulla borsa e
l\' economia in generale sono come il bikini: .. fanno vedere
tutto eccezione fatta per l\' essenziale....
l' hai copiato da un mio post....
Allora ho cercato nel dizionario la parola " coerenza " ma certamente
si sono sbagliati nella definizione :-)

 si sono sbagliati nella definizione :-)
No..no...ï¿œ corretta.....spesso rido infatti dei finti coerenti...o di tutti
quelli che per coerenza mantengono operazioni in perdita perchï¿œ il mercato
si sbaglia.
Quindi lascio ben volentieri a te la definizione e la certezza di essere
coerente...
Sai....al contrario io sono un estimatore di Prezzolini....saggio senese del
secolo scorso...che soleva affermare: "La coerenza ï¿œ la virtï¿œ degli imbecilli!"
Mytakuie Oiasyn.
Con stima. l'orsotoro...
-- 
Meglio fare invidia che compassione....
www.orsotoro.blogspot.com
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 Con stima. l'orsotoro...
Quella non l' ho mai persa anche se alcune volte,  nel modo che hai
di porti nei miei confronti,  fai apparire cose tendenziose che mi
disturbano per la loro inesattitudine e imprecisione a volte
volontaria.....
P.S.: La sola volta che ho perso una somma considerevole ( ma non il
capitale iniziale ) é stato nel 1998 durante la crisi monetaria.....
ed é stata una lezione che mi é costata 1'300'000 frs in 2 mesi. ( ne
posso parlare oggi perché c'é la prescrizione fiscale di  10 anni ).
Tutti le mie conoscenze sono al corrente di questo e non ho vergogna
di riconoscere il disastro come non mi faccio scrupoli indicando
operazioni dal forte potenziale di guadagno oggi.....
Nel luglio del 1998 rientravo dagli USA dove ero andato  a trovare mia
figlia che faceva gli studi nel KY e trascorrere un mese di vacanze
visitando tutta la costa dalla Florida a Washington DC.
Inizio agosto il mercato ha  invertito ma non avevo ancora abbastanza
esperienza delle discese violente sopratutto con prodotti derivati,  e
in due mesi sono partiti in fumo 1'300'000  frs. Ripeto sempre che se
avessi gettato tutti quei soldi dalla finestra invece di lasciarli in
borsa,  avrei fatto felici tutti coloro che li avrebbero raccolti, ma
cosi non é stato purtroppo....
Erano soldi che avevo saputo guadagnare dimostrando di saper gestire i
rialzi ma non  i crolli brutali. Ne ho tirato una lezione che ho
pagato estremamente cara in termini di capitale ma dimostratasi utile
in seguito per la discesa del 2000-2003 dove ho  recuperato quasi la
meta della perdita   ed il resto  largamente, molto largamente oltre,
nei movimenti seguenti  fino ad oggi e non ho intenzione di fermarmi.

 sostengo che scenderemo molto di piï¿œ. ....
Sï¿œ...l'ho esclusa...ma ho anche affermato che in borsa la coerenza ï¿œ la virtï¿œ
degli imbecilli.....
[taglio tutto il resto su cui mi trovo concorde e pertanto non ho niente da
ribadire]
A presto...e grazie per la discussione.
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beh insomma, ROVINARSI seguendo un'operazione di un semi sconosciuto di 
un NG mi ricorda tanto quel tale che seguendo il navigatore ha pensato 
bene di finire in un canale con l'auto ! ogni altro commento...

 
Non mi piace essere complice dell'ignoranza altrui....
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 degli imbecilli.....
In alcune circostanze non fa una grinza, in altre peró .....ma per
fortuna ( mica tanto perché é il risultato di un ragionamento )  nel
tuo modo operativo  applichi la virtù dell' imbecille:-))) ......
Dai...dopo la tristezza di quanto sopra si puo anche scherzare.......
A la prochaine .....