Newsgroup: it.arti.fantasy
Titolo: Cosa leggere?

Dopo un po' di anni sto riprendendo a leggere libri fantasy, nel corso degli 
anni ho già letto quasi tutte le opere del Tolkien compresi i libri dei vari 
racconti pubblicati postumi, poi un bel po' dei libri su Conan il cimmero, 
il libro di Eddison (autore a cui si ispirò lo stesso Tolkien) "Il Serpente 
Ouroboros", il ciclo della "Grande Storia della Bacchetta Magica" di 
Moorcock, il primo dei libri del ciclo di Shannara (che, insomma, non mi 
aveva convinto troppo) e ora mi sto accingendo a leggere la saga di Earthsea 
di Ursula Le Guin, complice il Miyazaki figlio che ha deciso di farci un 
film con lo Studio Ghibli, più altri sparsi che ora non ricordo.
Insomma secondo voi, quali capolavori fantasy dovrei assolutamente ancora 
leggermi?
Ciao e grazie. 


potresti leggere le "cronache del ghiaccio e del fuoco" di george r.r 
martin... saga pubblicata in 7 volumi da mondadori..non ancora terminata 
dall'autore, è l'unico fantasy che ho letto e l'ho trovato molto bello!!
byez 

 ancora leggermi?
Molto soggettivo: troverai una risposta diversa per ogni eprsona.
Io, che però leggo molto fantascienza più che fantasy, ti consiglierei la Le 
Guin intanto, e il cilco di Ambra di Zelazny.
Interessante è anche la saga di Belgariad, che ci mette un po' a decollare 
ma poi è soddisfacente.
Ho adorato il ciclo di ASH di Mary Gentle, e tutta la produzione di Eddings 
(ciclo dei drenai)
Molto divertente è la saga dle Mondo Disco di Pratchett: a quasi tutti piace 
e a molti addirittura entusiasma.
Non ti consiglierei mai Terry Brooks, solo perchè ormai è uno scrittore 
scontato e semplice, ti sconsiglio a gran voce Licia Troisi, aborto della 
letteratura fantasy, infine io odio Martin , quindi ti sconsiglio Le 
cronache del ghiaccio e del fuoco, ma qui vado molto contro corrente, dato 
che è uno degli autori preferiti in taverna.
Spero di esserti stato un po' di aiuto
-- 
Francesco
Associzione Fabulae Noctis - Macerata
www.fabulaenoctis.com

 (ciclo dei drenai)
di GemmelL
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 leggermi?
Se parliamo di capolavori, allora ti consiglio la saga di Martin (cronache
del ghiaccio e del fuoco)
Controindicazione : la saga non è finita e probabilmente non finirà nei
prossimi 5 anni (mancano 3 libri). Comunque in italiano sono usciti già 7
volumi da circa 500 pagine l'uno (altri due usciranno nel giro di 1 anno)
Seconda controindicazione : meglio non affezionarsi a un personaggio,
potrebbero esserci sorprese molto sgradevoli....
-- 
"After this farce of a trial, execution will almost come as a relief" (
G.R.R. Martin - A Storm of Swords)
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-- 
Francesco....

 leggermi?
Non so che dirti.
Non ho letto moltissimo, e purtroppo, la maggiorparte di quello che esce ora 
è, + o - uguale... Tutti tris di libri, col buono, i cattivi e bla bla bla.
Shannara l'ho letta quasi tutta, penso, mi manca solo l'ultimo libro bianco, 
quello del Jarka Ruus, che non è ancora stato economicizzato... Che dirti, è 
ripetitivo... Noioso...
Però qualche spunto lo da, e l'ultima serie mi sembra la più interessante, 
per via della figura di Grianne....
Leggiti le dragonlance, solo le prime due trilogie...
Io la Troisi non l'ho trovata male, sempre premesso, che, al momento sembra 
tutto simile e/o uguale, ma pure qui mi manca l'ultimo volume non 
economicizzato delle sue cronache
Invece tra le tante cose ti consiglio vivamente la saga degli Orchi...
Sempre trilogia, e vabbé, ma moooooolto interessante e dettagliata nei 
combattimenti(sarebbe un ottimo master di D&D  lo scrittore ^_^)
Poi è interessante il caso di Paolini con Eragon, perché, a mio avviso, 
tralasciando la solita trama, è interessante vedere la "crescita" dello 
scrittore... La differenza di età tra il primo ed il secondo libro si nota 
molto, e spero si noti anche nel terzo, a prescindere da come la saga andrà 
avanti.
Ti dirò, a parte rare eccezioni, spunti, parti di trame, alcune descrizioni, 
la maggiorparte di queste saghe le leggo a puro scopo 
didascalico-conoscitivo, giusto per trarre spunti per eventuali 
campagne-avventure GDR...
Appena tornerà il primo lbro leggerò Martin, intanto sono intento in letture 
più impegnative ed importanti al momento cui spero di liberarmi più presto 
per un pò di sano e divertente fantasy :P
P.s.
Io ti consiglierei anche un fumetto, che forse non finirà mai, se ti piace 
il fantasy: Berserk.
Migliore della maggiorparte delle saghe attualmente in giro ^_^

 film con lo Studio Ghibli
cosa cosa cosa??
Davvero? Informazioni?
mag

 wrote in
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http://www.ursulakleguin.com/GedoSenkiResponse.html
Gedo Senki
A First Response to "Gedo Senki," the Earthsea film made by Goro Miyazaki 
for Studio Ghibli.
Written for my fans in Japan who are writing me about the movie, and for 
fans elsewhere who may be curious about it.
Preliminary Note:
Very few authors have any control over the use made of their books by a 
film studio. The general rule is that once the contract is signed, the 
author of the books is nonexistent. Such labels as "creative consultant" 
are meaningless. Please do not hold any writer except the script-writer 
responsible for anything in a film. Don't ask the book's author "Why did 
they . . . ?" She is wondering too.
Brief history:
Twenty or so years ago, Mr Hayao Miyazaki wrote me expressing interest in 
making an animated film based on the (then only three) books of Earthsea. 
I did not know his work. I knew only Disney-type animation, and disliked 
it. I said no.
Six or seven years ago, my friend Vonda N. McIntyre told me about My 
Neighbor Totoro and we watched it together. I became a Miyazaki fan at 
once and forever. I consider him a genius of the same caliber as Kurosawa 
or Fellini.
Some years later, when I found that the delightful Japanese translator of 
the later Earthsea books, Ms Masako Shimizu, knew Mr Hayao Miyazaki, I 
asked her to tell him that, if he was still interested in Earthsea, I 
would welcome talking with him about a film.
I had a pleasant correspondence with Mr Toshio Suzuki of Studio Ghibli. 
In our correspondence, I urged the unwisdom of radical changes to the 
story or the characters, since the books are so well known to so many 
readers, in Japan as elsewhere. In order to have the freedom of 
imagination he ought to have in making his film, I suggested that Mr 
Miyazaki might use the period of ten or fifteen years between the first 
two books: we don't know what Ged was doing in those years, aside from 
becoming Archmage, and Mr Miyazaki could have him doing anything he 
liked. (There is no other film maker to whom I would make such a 
proposition.)
In August 2005, Mr Toshio Suzuki of Studio Ghibli came with Mr Hayao 
Miyazaki to talk with me and my son (who controls the trust which owns 
the Earthsea copyrights). We had a pleasant visit in my house.
It was explained to us that Mr Hayao wished to retire from film making, 
and that the family and the studio wanted Mr Hayao's son Goro, who had 
never made a film at all, to make this one. We were very disappointed, 
and also anxious, but we were given the impression, indeed assured, that 
the project would be always subject to Mr Hayao's approval. With this 
understanding, we made the agreement.
At that time, work had already started on the film: a copy of the poster 
of the child and the dragon was given us as a gift, and also a sketch of 
Hort Town by Mr Hayao and the finished version of it from the studio 
artists.
Work on the film went on extremely rapidly after that. We realised soon 
that Mr Hayao was taking no part in making the film at all.
I had a very moving letter from him, and later one from Mr Goro. I 
answered them as well as I could.
I am sorry that anger and disappointment attended the making of this film 
on both sides of the Pacific Ocean.
I am told that Mr Hayao has not retired after all, but is now making 
another movie. This has increased my disappointment. I hope to put it 
behind me.
The Film.
As my son and I could not go to Tokyo for the premiere of the film, 
Studio Ghibli very kindly brought us a copy, and gave us a private 
screening at a downtown theater on Sunday August 6, 2006. It was a joyful 
occasion. Many friends with children came. It was entertaining to get the 
kids' response. Some younger ones were rather frightened or confused, but 
the older kids were cool with it.
After the screening we went to have dinner at my son's house. Elinor the 
corgi behaved with great propriety, while Mr Toshio Suzuki did headstands 
on the lawn.
Mr Goro Miyazaki asked me just as I was leaving, "Did you like the 
movie?" It was not an easy question to answer, under the circumstances. I 
said: "Yes. It is not my book. It is your movie. It is a good movie."
I did not realise that I was speaking to anyone but him and the few 
people around us. I would have preferred that a private reply to a 
private question not be made public. I mention it here only because Mr 
Goro has mentioned it in his blog.
So, in the spirit of everything being public all the time for fifteen 
minutes, I will give a fuller report of my first response to the film:
Much of it was beautiful. Many corners were cut, however, in the 
animation of this quickly made film. It does not have the delicate 
accuracy of "Totoro" or the powerful and splendid richness of detail of 
"Spirited Away." The imagery is effective but often conventional.
Much of it was exciting. The excitement was maintained by violence, to a 
degree that I find deeply untrue to the spirit of the books.
Much of it was, I thought, incoherent. This may be because I kept trying 
to find and follow the story of my books while watching an entirely 
different story, confusingly enacted by people with the same names as in 
my story, but with entirely different temperaments, histories, and 
destinies.
Of course a movie shouldn't try to follow a novel exactly — they're 
different arts, very different forms of narrative. There may have to be 
massive changes. But it is reasonable to expect some fidelity to the 
characters and general story in a film named for and said to be based on 
books that have been in print for 40 years.
Both the American and the Japanese film-makers treated these books as 
mines for names and a few concepts, taking bits and pieces out of 
context, and replacing the story/ies with an entirely different plot, 
lacking in coherence and consistency. I wonder at the disrespect shown 
not only to the books but to their readers.
I think the film's "messages" seem a bit heavyhanded because, although 
often quoted quite closely from the books, the statements about life and 
death, the balance, etc., don't follow from character and action as they 
do in the books. However well meant, they aren't implicit in the story 
and the characters. They have not been "earned." So they come out as 
preachy. There are some sententious bits in the first three Earthsea 
books, but I don't think they stand out quite this baldly.
The moral sense of the books becomes confused in the film. For example: 
Arren's murder of his father in the film is unmotivated, arbitrary: the 
explanation of it as committed by a dark shadow or alter-ego comes late, 
and is not convincing. Why is the boy split in two? We have no clue. The 
idea is taken from A Wizard of Earthsea, but in that book we know how Ged 
came to have a shadow following him, and we know why, and in the end, we 
know who that shadow is. The darkness within us can't be done away with 
by swinging a magic sword.
But in the film, evil has been comfortably externalized in a villain, the 
wizard Kumo/Cob, who can simply be killed, thus solving all problems.
In modern fantasy (literary or governmental), killing people is the usual 
solution to the so-called war between good and evil. My books are not 
conceived in terms of such a war, and offer no simple answers to 
simplistic questions.
Though I think the dragons of my Earthsea are more beautiful, I admire 
the noble way Goro's dragons fold their wings. The animals of his 
imagination are seen with much tenderness — I liked the horse-llama's 
expressive ears. I very much liked the scenes of plowing, drawing water, 
stabling the animals, and so on, which give the film an earthy and 
practical calmness — a wise change of pace from constant conflict and 
"action". In them, at least, I recognised my Earthsea.
The issue of color:
My purpose in making most of the people of Earthsea colored, and the 
whites a marginal and rather backward people, was of course a moral one, 
aimed at young American and European readers. Fantasy heroes of the 
European tradition were conventionally white — just about universally so 
in 1968 — and darkness of skin was often associated with evil. By simply 
subverting an expectation, a novelist can undermine a prejudice.
The makers of the American TV version, while boasting that they were 
"color blind," reduced the colored population of Earthsea to one and a 
half. I have blasted them for whitewashing Earthsea, and do not forgive 
them for it.
The issue is different in Japan. I cannot address the issue of race in 
Japan because I know too little about it. But I know that an anime film 
runs smack into the almost immutable conventions of its genre. Most of 
the people in anime films look — to the American/European eye — white. I 
am told that the Japanese audience perceives them differently. I am told 
that they may perceive this Ged as darker than my eye does. I hope so. 
Most of the characters look white to me, but there is at least a nice 
variation of tans and beiges. And Tenar's fair hair and blue eyes are 
right, since she's a minority type from the Kargish islands.
When can we see "Gedo Senki" or "Tales of Earthsea" in America?
When the contract with the TV people for their film and rights runs out: 
not before 2009. Alas! There are dogs in the manger. 
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http://www.ursulakleguin.com/GedoSenkiResponse.html
grazie mille ^_^
mag

Ti consiglio il ciclo La Caduta di Malazan di Steven Erikson edito da
Armenia. Sono usciti quattro volumi per un totale di tre romanzi (il
terzo è diviso in due). Siamo ancora molto lontani dalla conclusione
ma se cerchi un fantasy adulto, complesso e innovativo, non rimarrai
deluso.