Newsgroup: it.economia.borsa
Titolo: Giustizia e mercati

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Gli S&P sono risaliti da 772 a 900 da mercoledì 24 a oggi, un +15% in tre
giorni e mezzo di borsa che per il più grande listino del mondo non è
pochissimo.
Il segnale vero e importante che li ha fatti girare è stato quello delle
manette alla famiglia Rigas mercoledì pomeriggio alle 16 italiane,
ritrasmesso ogni mezzora da tutte le reti, mostrando tre membri della
famiglia che controllava Adelphia ammanettati alle 6 di mattina e spinti in
una macchina della polizia.
Ora ne seguiranno per garantire che i politici che devono essere eletti o
vogliono essere eletti lo siano.
C'è un pezzo di J.J. Cramer che spiega oggi una volta per tutte come
funziona la giustizia per i crimini finanziari in america qua sotto. Chi può
lo legge.
Come sunto:
i) sono i media alla fine che decidono chi verrà incriminato, se un
personaggio è bersagliato troppo dal NY Times o CNBC o ABC un procuratore
che vuole entrare in politica o il Dipartimento di Giustizia al servizio del
presidente lo incrimineranno
ii) non ha importanza su cosa, una volta che ci sia stato uno scandalo e la
stampa e i media siano lanciati un accusa si trova. Il Dipartimento di
Giustizia e l'FBI fanno quello che vogliono con chiunque se la casa Bianca
lo vuole. E così i procuratori generali che vogliono essere eletti.
Randy Giuliani, ora l'uomo politico più popolare d'america, è entrato in
politica dopo aver usato "RICO" la legge contro il racket mafioso per
distruggere Drexel Burhnam Lambert (una banca d'affari del peso di Lehman
Brothers).
Nel 1990 avevo passato tre interviste con Drexel, ufficio di Los Angeles, al
posto della quarta arrivò una lettera che diceva che non ci sarebbe stata
altra intervista e conteneva anche un ritaglio di giornale e mostrava che
Drexel aveva cessato di esistere dopo che Giuliani aveva congelato gli asset
usando la legge RICO per la mafia per farli cedere e condannare.
iii) l'FBI e il Dipartimento di Giustizia in queste cose fanno quello che
vogliono e lo hanno sempre fatto. Dopo Waco (80 morti bruciati causati
dall'FBI) i superstiti sono stati condannati a 30 anni.
Nel 1992 o 1993 ci furono dei poliziotti a Los Angeles che nell'arresto din
pregiudicato di colore che resisteva lo riempirono di botte per ammanerarlo.
Era drogato e pesava 120 chili per 1.90 e pericoloso, ma fu filmato il
pestaggio e fini su tutti i media. George Bush ordinò al Dipartimento di
Giustizia di incriminare a tutti i costi gli agenti. La giuria li assolse
(il mio istruttore di karate un capitano di colore della polizia di L.A.
diceva che il tizio era molto pericoloso e avevao esagerato, ma non potevano
fare a meno di colpirlo).
Bush li fece incriminare dal Dipartimento di Giustizia una seconda volta
violando la legge che dice che non si può processare due volte per lo stesso
reato.
Gli agenti finirono in carcere (dove cercarono di ammazzarli dei
pregiudicati) e Bush senior si tolse di dosso i media per le elezioni
imminenti
L'america protegge il cittadino, ma non quando c'è di mezzo la presidenza.
Se gli S&P ritornano a scendere e con loro le probabilità di vincere le
elezioni a novembre verranno incriminati dei dirigenti di Enron o Worldcom
fino a quando non faranno dei nomi o daranno qualche prova in modo da
incriminare Bernie Ebbers o Jeffrie Shilling o gli altri che compaiono sui
media tutti i giorni come i responsabili
Se si deve farlo Dick Cheney e Bush junior faranno questo o peggio : si
farànno vedere altri personaggi ammanettati alle 6 del mattino in TV fino a
quando il mercato riprenda e l'elezione non sia vinta. L'importante è che
sia gente ormai stranota, di cui le TV hanno mostrato la mega-villa e che si
possa fare una cosa ad effetto che dia l'idea della giustizia
-------------The Way White-Collar Justice Really
Works ----------------------------
By James J. Cramer
07/29/2002 03:25 PM EDT
Those of you who have never had a brush with the white-collar criminal
justice system, and for those of you who think it is a scientific procedure,
predicated upon the likes of Oliver Wendell Holmes or Justice Marshall, this
piece is for you. You will want to clip and save it, print it out, send it
to friends, do whatever is necessary to spread the word about the way the
system really works, as written by someone who came close to being a part of
it, has been let down by it and is anxious to avoid its machinations for a
second time. In other words, this is a piece written by an system insider
who wants nothing more than for you to never have to come closer to the
system than this article. It will explain everything you need to know about
the way it really works, so you can start investing with the white-collar
prosecutions as a discounted part of the price-to-earnings multiple that you
will want to pay for the tainted merchandise out there. It will allow you to
make better judgments about the companies that are currently targeted and
about to be targeted by the system of justice we call the prosecution,
certainly better than you'd make with the information from the folks in
print or television who don't have a clue about the way the process really
works.
The first thing you need to know is that guilt or innocence is a total
abstraction. That's right, a somewhat minor part of the process, at least at
the beginning. The government, whether it be federal, in terms of the
various U.S. attorneys, the Securities and Exchange Commission, or the state
attorneys general, doesn't like to pick on innocent people. Lord knows they
have their hands full of bad guys and are not about to start going after the
good guys.
But who initially determines who is good and bad? That's a pretty easy
question, and one that will astonish those of you who are nothing but deer
in the oncoming headlights: the press.
That's right, the press. Let's say, for example, that every night "Kudlow &
Cramer" suggested that Andy Fastow, former CFO of Enron, should be indicted
for something. Let's say the people from a nightly news department show
watched our show and decided, heck, Cramer's right, this is a travesty, and
did a piece about how outrageous it was that Fastow was still living it up
at the country club and test-driving new BMW 745s in his spare time while
smoking cigars and barbecuing with other Enron ex-top brass. And then say
Paul Krugman from The New York Times took up the cudgel and blasted Fastow.
Then let's say there were some hearings about Enron where some Congressman,
let's call him Congressman Press Hog, held a hearing where he used an empty
chair to interrogate "Fastow," who refused to show up and take his medicine.
You know what would happen? I'll tell you what: Fastow would get indicted.
He would get indicted for something, maybe fraud, maybe pump and dump, maybe
some sort of wire fraud thing, maybe, oh who knows, 10-b-5 violations.
Whatever. He would get indicted and the prosecution would hold a press
conference. And the next thing you know, Andy Fastow would be asking his
lawyer how this could happen in the great country that America is with all
of this land of opportunity stuff, and his lawyers would say, "wake up and
smell the coffee, Andy, no prosecutor worth his salt is going to pass up an
opportunity like this. Heck, he's liable to get on 60 Minutes and run for
governor on this indictment alone." Then Fast Andy would ask, "well, what do
we have to do to beat this?"
To which his lawyer would answer, "that depends. Are you willing to give up
Ken Lay or Jeff Skilling?" At that point, I have no idea what Fastow would
say. I know what I would do; I would ask how much that would reduce my
sentence. And if the defense said there was still jail involved, I'd say
forget it, and fight it. But if a deal could be made, where Fastow could
just be banned for life from engaging in any business, heck, he might want
to take that deal.
At a certain point, perhaps when it went to trial, the actual guilt or
innocence of Fastow would indeed play some sort of role, albeit small, in
the process. I say small because let's face it, almost every federal jury
imaginable is going to have 401(k) holders on it, and they are all mad as
hell. They aren't anxious to cut Fastow a break, which is why the
prospective defendant ought to rethink that deal. And he would, many times,
before the bailiff read the guilty charge, which, by the way, would happen
unless the prosecution totally messed up.
Now, let me give you some more good news. If the prosecution wanted to
indict Bernie Ebbers, no one in the government would fight that indictment.
I wouldn't be surprised if Dick Cheney called the Justice Department and
asked "what is taking you so long to indict Ebbers?" More important, a
criminal conspiracy indictment of the board of WorldCom (WCOEQ:Nasdaq -
news - commentary - research - analysis), one of those RICO varieties
normally reserved for Mafia cases, also would resonate well. Because, if it
hasn't dawned on you yet, if the Republicans don't start nailing down a
half-dozen of America's most wanted CEOs, then there is no hope at all for
those November elections. That's not in the game plan.
Will Ebbers be convicted? Again, think of that jury. You could throw Ebbers
away for 10 years for picking his nose in public, for heaven's sake, that's
how bad the mood is out there. Is he guilty of anything beyond being among
the most stupid people on earth? Remember, he took a loan out to buy more of
his company's stock when it was in free fall.
Will people at Citigroup (C:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis)
or J.P. Morgan (JPM:NYSE - news - commentary - research - analysis) be
indicted for abetting Enron's financial shenanigans? Yes, if it would help
get the higher-ups at Enron.
Some would say that I'm asking to criminalize stupid business behavior. All
I am saying is, if you are still asking whether someone can be indicted for
being stupid, you just don't understand the way the criminal justice system
works. Of course you can! If it's a crowd-pleaser, you can be indicted for
"sticking it the shareholders" and we'll just call it "wire fraud."
I know it must seem almost Stalinesque to some of you that this is the way
the process works. I know there are civil libertarian types who are probably
getting sick to their stomachs as they read this.
To which I say, get a garbage can.
This is America. This is how it works. If you think it works differently,
you have been reading too much of the mainstream press. The other day, some
silly spokeswoman from WorldCom gave out a statement saying that the Justice
Department wasn't going to indict WorldCom because, well, Justice had told
WorldCom it wasn't going to. The spokesperson said that an indictment would
be entirely the opposite of what the government had said.
I burst out laughing when I read that. The Justice Department will do
whatever it wants, whenever it wants and it certainly won't tell the
management of WorldCom. If it wants to indict John Sidgmore, or anyone else,
it will do so. The last thing it will do is tell the management of WorldCom.
Right now, the whole fate of corporate governance rests in the hands not of
the lawmakers or the stock market, but of the Justice Department. If they
thought that leading Jack Grubman off in handcuffs tomorrow morning would
make people think twice about misleading the public -- which is basically
what Jack Grubman did, whether he meant to or not -- then Jack Grubman
better be better dressed around the clock than he was when CNBC's Mike
Huckman stalked him, because, by golly, he would be going down. That's how
it works. That's always how it works.
And we should be grateful for the process. If it didn't work this way, we
would be in a capitalist pig-dog free-for-all that would make Charles
Dickens blanch with embarrassment.

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ve lo faccio io il riassunto..
1-sono i media che decidono chi sara incrimnato
2-l FBI e Dipartimento di Giutizia fannno quello che vogliono con chi
vogliono se la CAsa Bianca approvano..
e ci lamentiamo dell Italia ?
.
Dicesi per l' appunto stato democratico..eh..hu..ah..oh..
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