Newsgroup: it.economia.borsa
Titolo: Argentina bond - sondaggio

Come da oggetto: che fare ? Cosa ne pensate ? Accettare l'offerta, non
accettare o ... ... vendere subito a mercato ?

Colgo l'occasione per esprimere il mio pensiero.
Memori di ciň che avvenne con le obbligazioni Telecom argentina, rimborsate
al 90%, non sarebbe il caso di buttare qualche spicciolo comprando
obbligazioni a mercato, magari quelle denominate in dollari con scadenza
2007? 

 accettare o ... ... vendere subito a mercato ?
Personalmente non accetterň MAI un'offerta cosě offensiva.
Io ho prestato 100, voglio indietro 100.
Quello che posso accettare č una dilazione dei pagamenti, anche lunga, ma 
mai che mi diano un tozzo di pane come vorrebbero fare.
Eddy 

 Io ho prestato 100, voglio indietro 100.
A 100 mi sa proprio che non arriverranno mai...
Lecito perň attendersi una proposta seria.

 Lecito però attendersi una proposta seria.
sempre che dall'altra parte ci sia gente seria.
Eddy 

Loro hanno una lunga storia in questo tipo di guerre: allego un articolo
del Wall Street Journal dove si dice che in Argentina intendono aprire nel
2005 un museo dedicato al loro debito estero (che hanno iniziato a
trattare non proprio con i guanti fin dal 1827).
quote:
Argentina opens a Museum of Foreign Debt; can one in Washington be far
behind? 
Argentina's Debt Museum Is Set To Tackle Woeful Financial Past 
By Suzelle Tempero of Dow Jones Newswires The Wall Street Journal
Wednesday, December 8, 2004 
BUENOS AIRES -- When tourists in Buenos Aires tire of the usual museum
fare of tango, Evita, and Argentine art, they can delve into a more
academic topic: the country's staggering external debt. 
Set to open in March at the University of Buenos Aires, the Museum of
Foreign Debt will document the country's long history of living beyond its
means, according to organizers. 
"Argentina's debt is huge. It's grown over the years, and all people know
is that it's there," said head curator Simon Pristupin, also a professor
of education and economics at the university. 
Argentina's debt isn't just there -- it's in default and has been so for
nearly three years. 
The December 2001 default -- generally considered the biggest in history
-- is still unresolved. Argentina owes an estimated 500,000 foreign
bondholders some $103 billion in principal and unpaid accrued interest.
And in the latest setback to its contentious plan to significantly reduce
that burden, the government was last month forced to further delay its
long-awaited restructuring offer. 
It has been a similar story at the debt museum, whose debut has been
delayed at least twice due to a lack of funds. 
The city government, tangled in red tape, doesn't have spare cash, Mr.
Pristupin says, while individual donors have offered little more than
empty promises thus far. Finally, with the university's own money
supplemented by funds from a few other sources, including local Banco de
Credito Cooperativo, the project is well on track for its early 2005
launch. 
The new museum will occupy two rooms in the elegant Georgian-style
building that houses the university's economics department, and consists
of exhibits using timelines, old photographs, modern cartoons, and
theatrical productions aimed at educating visitors. 
"We university economists realized that the academic world isn't doing
enough with books and articles to explain the debt," Mr. Pristupin said. 
"The museum explains the complicated problems of the debt in everyday
language," he said. "For instance, Argentina is like a house, and the
owner of the house has borrowed against the house and now needs to pay
back the loans." 
Exhibitions in the main room will change every six months and focus on
topics ranging from the much-despised "pesification" decree, which
converted dollar-denominated bank deposits into devalued Argentine pesos
in February 2002, to Argentina's first default on debt payments in 1827,
shortly after its independence from Spain. 
For red-ink enthusiasts and policy wonks who want to dig deeper, the
investigation and Documentation Centers will contain the most extensive
collection of debt-related materials in Argentina, Mr. Pristupin said. 
The enormous accumulation includes everything from defaulted bond
contracts to videos of key events, such as the 2001 speech in which former
President Rodriguez Saa calmly stated: "We are going to take the bull by
the horns. I announce that the Argentine State will suspend payments on
the foreign debt." 
"There are so many possible topics, we've got a lineup of exhibits that
goes for years," Mr. Pristupin said. "Some of the best will be those that
compare Argentina to other countries, like Brazil and Ecuador, because
Argentina is always the most shocking." 
The first exhibit will be a sort of introduction to Argentina's tortured
debt history, starting with the 1827 default and moving through four
subsequent defaults to the most recent in 2001. 
Mr. Pristupin says the museum will strive to remain neutral on its topic,
which is one that sparks heated debates in this politically opinionated
country of more than 37 million
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Io la vedo abbastanza male....
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 vedo perchè non dovrebbero arrivarci.
Purtroppo anche per altre obbligazioni, emesse da aziende di casa nostra,
c'è gente che difficilmente rivedrà buona parte del capitale...

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Le obbligazioni emesse da società non sono paragonabili a quelle emesse da 
uno stato sovrano.
La società può fallire e sparire, lo Stato no.
Ma è chiaro che anche per quelle obbligazioni lo stato ha la sua grande 
responsabilità.
Eddy

 accettare o ... ... vendere subito a mercato ?
Ci fossi capitato io avrei messo una bomba sotto il culo di Berlusconi. C'è 
una perdita complessiva del sistema pari a 13mld e il governo non fa una 
mazza? Ma siamo matti? Roba da manicomio!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 accettare o ... ... vendere subito a mercato ?
Vendere subito a mercato, mi pare ovvio, o preferisci attendere il
2029???
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Avevo avuto la tua stessa idea, xo' ne vorrei collocare una anche sotto BANK
ITALIA
SERVE TRITOLO ALTRO CHE DISCORSI!!!!

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NON ADERIRE!
VOGLIAMO IL 50% (minimo)!!!

 VOGLIAMO IL 50% (minimo)!!!
  e ti faresti derubare un 50 % con tuo consenso ?
Io voglio 100, tutto il resto č un furto.
Eddy