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908 - TOW Rachel's Other Sister
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Monica and Chandlers apartment 
Monica: Hey Hon, could you help me get the plates down? 
Chandler: Yeah. Hey, here's an idea, why don't we use our wedding
china today? 
Monica: No, I think we should save our china for something really
special. Like if the Queen of England comes over. 
Chandler: Honey, she keeps canceling on us, take the hint. 
Monica: What if something gets broken, they're so expensive. 
Chandler: What is the point of having them if we never use them? 
Monica: Ok, but if something gets broken, and then the Queen comes
over.. 
Chandler: I will explain it to her. 
Monica: <laughs> Oh yeah, like I'm going to let you talk to the queen.
Joey: wow, the parade is really good this year. Man those horses can
crap. 
TV announcer: Next up is a marching band from Muskogee, OK. 
Chandler: Muskogee! That's like four hours from Tulsa. Woo hoo!
TV announcer: And here's the float with the stars of the popular
daytime soap Days of Our Lives. 
<Joey's eyes become large and he stands up> 
Joey: Oh my God! 
Chandler: Aren't you one of the stars of the popular daytime soap Days
of Our Lives? 
Joey: Yeah! I totally forgot I'm supposed to be there. I can't believe
I forgot. I usually write stuff like this on my arm. 
<Chandler grabs Joey's left arm and pushes the sleeve up> 
<Joey looks> 
Oh! Stupid long sleeves. 
Chandler: What are you going to do? 
Joey: I guess I'm going to have to come up with a really good reason
why I wasn't there. The producers are going to be so mad at me. They
sat us all down yesterday and said "Everyone has to be there at 6:00
AM sharp, that means you Tribbiani." Like.. like I was some kind of
idiot. 
Chandler: Well you proved them wrong. 
Joey nods: Yeah. 
<Chandler nods and his eyes get big like he's saying 'what the hell'> 
Opening Credits
Ross and Rachels Apartment 
<Ross and Rachel are putting baby stuff together like they're going to
be going somewhere.> 
Rachel to Emma: Oh Emma. This is going to be your first Thanksgiving.
What are you thankful for? Mommy's bobbies. 
Ross: A lot of people are thankful for those. 
<knock on door> 
Woman at door: Hello? Rachel? 
Rachel: Who is it? 
Woman at door: It's your favorite sister. 
Ross and Rachel while looking at each other surprised and shocked:
Jill? 
Woman at door in a sing song voice: Amy. 
Rachel: Hide my rings. 
<Ross goes into Rachel's room> 
Rachel: Oh. <opens door preparing herself and then happily says> 
Amy! Happy Thanksgiving. 
Amy: Do you have a hair straightener? 
Rachel: Um... hi. 
Amy: oh... hi.. <goes to Rachel with open arms> 
Rachel: Aw. 
<Amy grabs her arms> 
Amy: Hair Straightener? 
Rachel: I haven't seen you in like.. a year. 
Amy: Oh, I know, I know. I've just been crazed. 
Rachel: Oh well yeah me too. Um.. I had a baby. 
Amy: I decorated Dad's office. 
Rachel: Oh.. yeah? Well unless you pushed a desk out of your vagina,
<shakes head no> not the same thing. 
Amy: Listen, um about the hair straightener, honey.. I really need
one. I'm going to have dinner at my boyfriend's house. 
<Amy bending over fiddling with her purse when Emma cries and she
hears Emma> 
Amy: Oh my God! 
Rachel: mh hmm.. 
Amy: Is this Emmett? <pointing to EMMA> 
Rachel: Uh.... its Emma. 
Amy: Its a girl? 
<Ross comes out of the bedrooms> 
Ross: Hey Amy. 
Rachel: Oh Amy, you remember Ross. 
Amy: Not really. But you are much cuter then that geeky guy she used
to date. 
Ross: That was me. 
Amy: No, he was this creepy guy from high school who had this huge
crush on her since like the ninth grade. 
Ross with a look of wondering how long this is going to go on on his
face: Still me. 
Amy: No, I'm not talking about you. <to Rachel> It was your fat 
friends brother with that bad afro, do you remember? 
Ross starts talking over her 'do you remember' line: Amy. I'm going to
save you some time, ok. <spins finger around in circle> All me. 
Monica and Chandler's Apartment. 
<Joey is walking around looking worried. > 
Monica: Careful. <hands Chandler a china plate> Careful. CAREFUL! 
<Chandler is startled and nearly drops the plates.> Sorry. 
Chandler: I'll tell you what, for the rest of our lives, I'll be
careful until told otherwise. <looks at china> hey wait a minute this
isn't the china we picked out.. 
Monica: I know, after you left the store, I chose different ones. 
Chandler: Why? 
Monica: well no offense honey, but your taste is a little feminine for
me. 
Chandler: Oh suddenly, flowers are feminine? 
<Phoebe comes in> 
Phoebe: Hey, everybody. Happy Thanksgiving! 
Joey: Hey happy Thanksgiving.. Pheebs! <motions her to come over> 
Phoebe: Hey, what's going on Joe? 
Joey: I.. I.. I need a good lie. 
Phoebe: Oh okay. How about the whole "man walking on the moon" thing.
You know? You. you could. You could see the strings people! 
Joey: No, no, no I need a good lie to explain why I wasn't at a work
thing today. 
Phoebe: Ooh, honey. You stink at lying. 
Joey: I do not. 
Phoebe: Oh really. Okay. let me ask you something. Yesterday at the
coffee house, I went to the bathroom and when I came back, my muffin
was gone-who took it? 
Joey: Somebody opened the door to the coffee house and a raccoon came 
running in, went straight for your muffin and I said "Hey don't eat 
that-that's Phoebe's" and he said.. <pause> He said.. "Joey you stink
at lying." What am I going to do? 
Phoebe: Don't worry, don't worry. We'll come up with a good lie. I'll
help you practice it. 
Joey: Oh great, that'd be great. Thank you. 
Phoebe: Sure, what.. what was the work thing? 
Joey: Uh.. <forgetting what the work thing was, rolls up his sleeve on
his right arm and shows Phoebe, she looks> 
Phoebe: "Pick up grandma at the airport"? 
Joey: Oh.. man.. 
Ross and Rachel's Apartment. 
Amy with straight hair: Oh she's precious. Do you ever worry she's
going to get your real nose? 
Rachel: Amy! <pause> Yes I do.. I really do. <grabs Ross' hand for
support> 
<Amy's cell phone rings> 
Amy: Hello? Yeah, um. Hang on one sec. <to Ross and Rachel> Can I take
this upstairs? 
Ross: Sure, we don't live there but... 
Amy: Seriously? Its.. its just these rooms? <moves hands around
motioning 'just these rooms'> <To Ross> I thought you were a doctor. 
Rachel: Yeah, no. Ross has a PhD. 
Amy: Ew. <walks into Rachel's room, I'm guessing> 
Rachel: God she is unbelievable. 
Ross: I know, I mean a PhD is just as good as an MD. 
Rachel: Oh sure Ross, yeah. If I have a heart attack in a restaurant,
I want you there with your fossil brush. 
Amy storms out: Stupid Thanksgiving. 
Rachel: What? What happened? 
Amy: My boyfriend canceled on me. I mean.. I I finally find a real 
relationship. I mean, someone that I can spend this day with and then
his wife comes back into town. I swear, its almost not worth dating
married guys. 
Ross: Don't say that. 
Amy: Oh. I was so looking forward to this. It was going to be such a 
beautiful Thanksgiving. We were going to have sushi. 
Rachel: Oh Amy, don't cry Amy. Um.. Ross, could I talk to you in
private? 
Ross: Sure, you want to go upstairs? 
<Ross and Rachel go in the kitchen> 
Rachel: Um look I was thinking.. If its ok with Monica I would like to
invite Amy to Thanksgiving. 
Ross: You know, I think thats a great idea. It'll be like the pilgrims
bringing the Indians syphilis. 
Rachel: Look I know she's a little tough to take. She has no where
else to go, and she's my sister. Alright, she's Emma's aunt. And I
would like them to bond. 
Ross: Ok, fine, but I don't want them bonding to much. I don't want
her telling Emma she needs a nose job. 
Rachel: Ross, you know what? She may need one..We're just going to
have to make our peace with that! 
<Rachel grabs Ross' hand for support and starts to cry a little> 
Monica and Chandler's apartment 
Rachel opens their door: Hi. 
Everyone there says: Hi, hey. 
Rachel: Hey you guys, this is my sister Amy. This is Chandler, Joey,
Phoebe and you know Mon. 
Everyone: Hi. 
Amy: Oh my god. You're on Days of Our Lives. 
Joey laughs: Yeah. 
Amy: wow. They must put a lot of makeup on you. 
Joey looks rejected: Hap.. Hap.. Happy Thanksgiving. 
<Joey turns away and Chandler reassuringly pats him on the back> 
Ross to Monica: Hi. 
Monica to Ross: Hi. 
<they hug and kiss on check> 
Monica to Emma: Hey you. 
Monica to Amy: So. Welcome. Is this your first time you're seeing
Emma? 
Amy with confused look on face: Yeah I.. I think so. <sticks her hand
out to shake hands with Phoebe and says to her> It's nice to meet you
Emma. 
Phoebe shakes her hand and says: Phoe-Be. 
Amy: Oh. That's a funny noise. 
<Monica and Amy turn away and walk into the living room towards the
secret closet> 
Joey: Pheebs, I still need some help here 
Phoebe: Oh right, ok um. Ok so its not just the lie you tell. but its
the way you tell it. For example if you look down at the ground when
you're talking, people know you're lying. 
Joey: Oh.. I don't know why this is so hard for me. you know.. I mean
lying is basically just acting and I am a terrfic actor. 
Phoebe looks down: You are a terrific actor. 
<Joey realizes what she's doing> 
Amy coming out of the bathroom: Hey. Hey where's the baby? 
Rachel: Oh we just put her down for a nap. 
Amy: Oh I was just thinking. You know what would be incredible? If you
guys died. 
Ross first has a look of 'huh' then changes it to sarcastic happy:
Thank you Amy. 
Amy: no, no, then I would get the baby. I mean you know it would be
just like a movie. Like at first I wouldn't know what to do with her,
then I would rise to the occasion and and then I would get a makeover
and then I'd get married. 
Phoebe: Thats a great movie. <she claps> 
<Joey nods in agreement> 
Amy: Now listen, not that you guys could stop me or anything cause you
know you'd be dead. I was thinking about changing her name. I'm just
not really a big fan of Emily. [Transcriber note: I'm surprised that
Rachel and Ross didn't say they weren't either here] 
Ross: Emma. 
Amy turns around to Phoebe: Emma, Ross wants you. 
Phoebe: PHOE-BE. 
Amy turns to Ross and Rachel: Why does she keep making that noise? 
Rachel: Honey, I don't know how to tell you this, but um, if something
were to happen to Ross or to myself <Ross and Rachel knock on wood> um
you wouldn't get the baby. 
Amy: Well who would? 
Ross: Well we haven't offically asked them yet, but we would want
Monica and Chandler. 
Chandler: I can't believe you'd want us to raise Emma. 
Monica: yeah oh my god, I'm so moved. 
Amy: I don't believe this, hold on a second. You guys die and I don't
get your baby? 
Rachel: See look Amy, we're a lot closer to Monica and Chandler. We
see them every day. And truthfully honey, you don't seem very
connected to the baby. 
Amy: Connected? I mean.. to what? She's.. she's a lump. 
Chandler: You know, guys I got to say. This means so much to me. That
you would trust me with your child. I mean, we all know that Monica
and I have been trying to have a baby of our own. You know I've had my
doubts about my skills as a father, but that you two.. that you
two.... <starts to cry> 
Amy: <points to Chandler> This guy? Seriously? 
Later in the day. 
Monica: Okay! It's time for dinner. Everyone we're using our fancy
china.. um and its very expensive so please be careful. 
Ross starts playing with a plate: Woah. Woah... <nearly really drops
the plate and more seriously> Woah. 
Monica: Okay, just to be clear comedy with the plates will not be well
recieved. <pinches Ross' arm> 
Ross makes some sort of sound to let us know it hurt. 
Joey: Hey! How come my plate's less fancy then everyone else's? Do you
not trust me with a fancy plate? 
Monica: No, honey, its. thats a special plate. See its a game, whoever
gets that plate wins. 
Joey: I can't believe I won. 
Amy: Its such a slap in the face. I'm your sister and you would give
your baby to these strangers over me. 
Rachel: Monica is Ross' sister. 
Amy: No, Ross' sister was really fat. 
Monica: That was me. 
Amy: No, she was this really dorky girl in high school that used to
follow Rachel around like a puppy dog. 
Rachel: Hey. Amy. You've got to stop doing that. 
<Amy gets pissed and starts cutting food on the fancy plate very
harshly, you can hear the silveware scraping the fancy plate> 
Monica about to have a heart attack: Okay, listen I know you're having
a little bit of a family crisis, but you don't have to take it out on
the plates. I mean, I mean in fact I think that everyone should cut
their food like this. 
<Monica holds a turkey leg up in the air over the plate trying to cut
meat off with a knife> 
Monica: Now see, this way you protect the plate.. and lets face it you
have fun. 
Amy: Okay, how about this, you guys die and the crazy plate lady dies,
then do I get the baby? 
Chandler: No, if crazy plate lad.. <sees Monica frustrated at this
comment> 
If Monica dies then I would get Emma, Right? 
<Ross and Rachel pause and ponder this> 
Rachel: Well actually... 
Chandler: Actually what? 
Ross: well.. its just. its just in that case, then um. Emma would go
to my 
parents. 
Chandler: What? 
Amy: Hurts, doesn't it? 
<Chandler gives a look that says "Yeah!"> 
Joey raises his hand: Uh.. who has to die for me to get her? 
<Everyone is looking around and at Joey with looks of 'what?' on their
faces> 
Commercial Break. 
Chandler: So if Monica's not around, then I'm not good enough to raise
Emma? 
Ross looks down: No, that that is not what we're saying. 
Joey: Yeah he's lying. He looked down. 
<Joey looks to Phoebe and she nods in agreement> 
Chandler: Well what is wrong with me? Am I .. am I incomptent? Because
I managed to survive whatever it is that killed the three of you! 
Rachel: Honey, you're taking this the wrong way. We think you're going
to be a wonderful parent. It's just.. you're more the fun parent. 
Ross: Yeah and we'd want to make sure Emma has someone like Monica who
is more uh. uh discliplinarin.. someone who can be firm and strict. 
Monica: Thats not how you see me, is it? 
Phoebe while cutting a sweet potatoe in the air: No you're all about
the fun. 
Chandler: Look, I may not know a lot about babies, but do you really
think I'm not capable? 
Ross: No, you both are equally capable. Its just.. you're strongest
when.. when you're together. 
Chandler: Ok. So if we both had Emma and I die <knocks on table> she'd
have to give her up. 
Ross: Sure, Monica would have to give her up. 
Joey: I lie better then that, right? 
Chandler: So.. let me get this straight. So my two friends die, I get
Emma. Then my wife dies, then Emma the one tiny ray of hope left in my
life gets taken away from me? 
Phoebe: There's your movie! <claps> 
Later on. 
Monica opens her front door. Chandler is sitting in the hallway. 
Monica: Hey. There you are. You disappeared after dinner. 
Chandler: Oh? Did somebody miss me? Is there a child to raise poorly? 
Monica: Ross and Rachel don't know what they're talking about. I mean
its not like their so responsible. Emma is a product of a bottle of
Merlot and a five year old condom. 
Chandler: Yeah but they're right. I mean, I'm not a strong father
figure and I never will be. 
Monica: No you learn these things. You grow into it. 
Chandler: Yeah, but its not who I am. Everything they said was exaclty
why I was worried about having a kid. And its true. And look everybody
knows it. 
Monica: I don't know it! I want to have a kid with you because I think
you're going to be an amazing dad... at the fun parts and the hard
parts. 
Chandler: Oh yeah, well can you picture me saying "Go to your room!
You're grounded"? 
Monica: Can you hear me say "You're grounded"? 
Chandler: You said that to me last week. 
Monica: How hard is it? No shoes on the furniture. 
Back to Monica and Chandler's apartment. 
Amy is sitting on a chair by the bay window looking mad. 
Joey groans and gets off the phone: The producer from Days left a
message on my machine asking why I wasn't at the parade. They said
everybody's pissed off at me.. <whiny voice> And they all got to meet
Santa! 
Phoebe: It's ok. I thought of the perfect lie for you. It's easy to
remember and doesn't invite a lot of questions. You weren't at the
parade because you had a family emergency. 
Joey: Oh, I like that, yeah. Wasn't at the parade because I had a
family emergency. 
Phoebe: Ooh, what happened? 
Joey all nervous and looking down and fiddling with his ear: Oh.. My 
sister's raccoon. 
Phoebe: No! Nothing with a raccoon. 
Joey: Arg... Alright, I'll take care of it. <throws hands out in the
air> 
Monica and Chandler come through the front door. 
Monica: Oh wait.. What are you doing? 
Joey: Setting the table. 
Phoebe: Yeah we thought it would be nice to use the fancy china for
dessert too. 
Monica: Oh how nice. Maybe later we can all go blow our noses on my
wedding dress. 
Ross comes out of the guest bedroom with the diaper bag and the car
seat carrying thingy.. yeah.. thats the techinal term.. He goes to
Chandler. 
Ross: Hey dude, you okay? Sorry about before. 
Chandler: Oh no thats okay, you're totally right. I don't know
anything about disciplining a child. But it did hurt my feelings and I
want you to know that when I die, you don't get Joey. 
Ross walks away with a face of yeah ok. 
Amy walks over to the couch and sits down next to Rachel: Ucch.
<pauses> Uchh <louder this time> In case you hadn't noticed, I'm not
talking to you. 
Rachel: UCHH! <much louder and longer then Amy's> 
Amy: You know.. this.. this is classic Rachel. 
Rachel: Yeah.. yeah right.. Remember in high school when I died and
didn't give you my baby? 
Amy: This might be my one chance to have a baby Rachel. I mean, you
know that I have been so busy focusing on my carrer. 
Rachel: What? What carrer? 
Amy: Um.. I'm a decorator. 
Rachel: Ok. You decorate dad's office and so now you're a decorator.
Okay! I went to the zoo yesterday and now I'm a koala bear. 
Amy: Why can't you ever be supportive? 
Rachel: Sup.. You want to talk supportive? You didn't even come and
visit me when I was in the hospital having the baby. 
Amy: Oh. Yeah. Well.. You didn't come see me when I was in the
hospital when I was getting my lips done. 
Rachel: I did the first time! Oh. Oh.. <gets up and walks into the
kitchen> And you know what. You want to know why I'm not giving Emily
to you. 
Ross: Emma. 
Rachel turns to Ross: Oh whose side are you on? <back to Amy> I'm not
giving you Emma because there is no way you could handle the
responibility of a child. 
Amy: How hard could it be? You do it. 
Joey: ooh oooh.. 
Amy: Do you want to know why you don't want me to have the baby? 
Rachel: uh huh. 
Amy: Because you don't want me to be happy. You.. you have always been
jealous of me. 
Rachel: Jealous of what? Of your lack of responsiblity? You, your 
immaturity? Your total disregard of other people's feelings? 
Amy: Uh.. To name a few. You know.. You know.. You've just always been
like this. You just have to have everything. And I couldn't have
anything. Like in junior high, when you stole Timmy from me. I mean,
do you even realize how much that hurt me? 
Rachel: Timmy was my boyfriend and you made out with him! 
Amy: Oh come on, that was 20 years ago. Get over it. 
Rachel: I cannot, I cannot believe that I invited you here today. 
Amy: Yeah, well you know what I cannot believe. That my so-called
sister, gets a 30% discount from Ralph Lauren and I still have to pay
retail. 
Rachel: ah ha ha. ah ha ha. <evil meancing laughter> It's forty five. 
Amy: You bitch. You just think you're so perfect. With your new baby
and your, your small apartment. <directs this to Ross who in turns
throws the towel in his hand down on the table> Well let me tell you
something. Your baby isn't even that cute. 
<everyone sucks their breath in, in shock> 
Ross walks over: Too far, Amy. Too far. 
Rachel: You take that back. 
Amy: No. 
Rachel: Take it back! 
Amy: No! What are you going to do? Make me? 
Rachel: Heey man, I work out. 
<Ross nods his head and points at her, in a yes manner> 
Amy: So do I. 
Rachel: I do pilates. 
Amy: I do yoga. 
Rachel: Bring it on! 
<Amy pushes Rachel and Monica goes berserk and runs around the table> 
Monica: Put the plates in the boxes!! Put the plates in the boxes! 
Rachel: Did you just push me? 
Amy: Uh, yeah I think I did. 
Rachel: Alright. Thats it! <Pushes Amy back> 
Monica screaming at Ross: Forget the bubblewrap! There isn't time! 
<Rachel and Amy 'fighting'.. They're really just trying to slap each
other and just keep slapping their hands> 
Rachel starts messing up Amy's hair: Frizzy frizzy frizzy frizzy!! 
<They go back to fighting and then it really gets on> 
Phoebe: Oh my god! Shouldn't we stop this? 
Joey: What? Are you out of your mind? Lets throw some jello on them. 
<Amy starts spitting on Rachel's hand and Rachel is saying ew and
pushes her away> 
Rachel: Ew! Gross. 
<Amy runs towards Rachel and Rachel puts her arm out, hand on Amy's
head and Amy starts trying to hit her but is missing, Rachel is moving
backwards towards the table when her hand swipes the one plate left on
the table on to the floor> 
<Everyone is shocked and Monica faints and Ross catches her> 
Chandler: Alright! That is it. This is our apartment and you can not
behave this way. Now if you can't act your age then you shouldn't be
here at all. Now those plates may not be as nice as the pretty pink
ones I picked out, but they're very important to Monica. I want you to
apologize to her right now. 
Amy: I'm sorry. 
Rachel: Mon, I'm so sorry. 
Chandler: Okay. Thats better. Now I want you to both apologize to each
other and mean it. 
Amy and Rachel at same time: Sorry. 
Chandler: By the way, that fight was totally arousing. 
Ross: Dude. Well done. You know what? If I die, and Rachel dies and
Monica dies then you can totally take care of Emma. 
Chandler: Oh yeah? Well thanks. 
Ross: So, so now do I get Joey? 
Chandler: Okay, but you should know he eats five times a day and
shoves pennies up his nose. 
<Ross ponders that and walks away> 
Rachel: Are you okay Mon? 
Monica: uh huh.. I mean these things happen. Its' just a plate. Its
not like somebody died. 
Phoebe: It's all right. You can mourn. 
Monica starts crying: Thank you. It was so beautiful. <gets up and
walks towards the front door> I'm going to go to Joeys and get the
pies. 
Joey: Actually its not pies, its just pie. 
Monica: I don't care. <pauses and realizes...> Oh my god. I've lost
the will to scold. 
Rachel: Look Amy, it got a little of control..Um.. and I'm sorry.
You're my sister and uh.. if it really means that much to you.. 
Amy: So you're going to give me the baby? 
Rachel: Uh. No.. I was going to let you use my Ralph Lauren discount. 
Amy starting to cry: You are not going to regret this. 
<they hug and Rachel has this disgusted look on her face and then Emma
starts crying> 
Rachel: She needs changing. 
Chandler: Oh no no no.. I'll get her. I'm super-compentent and totally
responsibile and fourth in line to raise Emma. I'll be right there
Emma. Just let me get my trusty diaper bag here. <knocks over the box
of china> Well.. what do you know? I guess, I'll be the one who dies
first. 
Closing Titles
[Scene: Chandler is packing the broken china in its box. He's taping
up the top of box so thoroughly, there isn't an inch of cardboard
which isn't covered in tape. He is struggling with the tape
dispenser.] 
Phoebe: Hey, does Monica know about her broken plates yet? 
Chandler: Nope... 
Phoebe: Broke them all, huh? 
Chandler: Yep... 
Phoebe: You gonna tell her? 
Chandler: Nope... (Monica walks in) Hey... so I'm gonna... put the
plates back. You know, I think you were right, I don't think we should
use these plates again for a looong time. 
Monica: Like only if the queen comes? 
Chandler: Maybe not even then. (Joey walks in) 
Joey: Hey! I did it. I called my producer. I told him I had a family 
emergency, he totally bought it. Thanks for teaching me how to lie
Pheebs. 
Phoebe: No problem! Next week: stealing... (Chandler walks away to
store the box of broken china.) 
Monica: Bye plates! 
Joey: Oh, you told her you broke all the plates, huh? (Chandler walks
back, looking angrily at Joey) 
Monica: What? Something happened with the plates? 
Joey: Uhm... (looks down) Yeah... this uhm... raccoon came in... 
End
-- 
"Sex is a joke in heaven?" "The way I understand it, it's mostly a
joke down here, too."

It was your fat  friends brother with that bad afro
basta questa, poi ho smesso di prendere appunti. In che mondo, in che
vita, in che strappo spaziotemporale hanno tradotto: "Il tuo amico
grassone con la pettinatura afro"?
La prima cosa che viene da pensare e': "Ross quando mai e' stato
grasso?"
pezzenti.
-- 
j./Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.
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grasso?"
Quoto, č la stessa cosa che ho pensato io, inquietandomi copiosamente.
O_o
Chettimar - continuum, questo sconosciuto
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bringing the Indians syphilis. 
Chettimar - corrosivo
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grasso?"
Che sei veggente? Paragnosta?  ^_____^
Come hai fatto a leggermi nella mente?
Assurdo, ma scusate, per fare l'adattamento li hanno i testi
originali come fonte o si devono basare, per le traduzioni, su
fantasie o allucinazioni?
MailMan

si devono basare, per le traduzioni, su fantasie o allucinazioni?
io posso capire il fatto che debbano rientrare nei labiali e via
dicendo, ma infilare castronerie nell'adattamento e' proprio da
pezzenti.
-- 
j./Who said that? Who the fuck said that? Who's the slimy little 
communist shit, tinkle-toed cocksucker down here who just signed his 
own death warrant?
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pezzenti.
il fatto č che non rientrano neanche nei labiali! Ieri ho visto solo 5
minuti prima di spegnere schifato e guardavo Ross che parlava e il
doppiatore che faceva altro. Non c'era una sola parola che andasse a
tempo col labiale....eccheccacchio...dovete fare schifo, ma fatelo
almeno bene >:|

io posso capire il fatto che debbano rientrare nei labiali 
Certo, notavo proprio l'altro giorno, non ricordo in quale
film o programma che "Who am I?" č diventato "Chi sono mai?"
Si storpia leggermente la frase proprio per farlo rentrare
nel labiale, mi ricordo che anche in zoolander c'era un 
"chi sono mai?" non l'ho mai visto in VO ma sono pronto a
scommettere.. :)
Ad ogni modo il doppiaggio di friends spesso non č granchč,
indipendentemente dal dover rientrare nei labiali o nei secondi
del parlato.
MailMan

 MailMan
Li hanno, li hanno... quando studiavo lingue all'università ho seguito un
seminario di adattamento per il cinema, e mi è stato spiegato che
vengono forniti i copioni originali, io prima credevo che lo facessero
solo ascoltando...
Quanto mi sono divertita a quel seminario!!
Cristina

vengono forniti i copioni originali, 
Me l'immaginavo ma se prima almeno davo loro il beneficio del dubbio,
adesso non hanno piů scuse, sono dei cani! :)

il doppiaggio di friends spesso non č granchč,
e' proprio brutto, ma forse e' tipico delle produzioni televisive "in
serie". Costerebbe troppo un doppiaggio professionale, mi sa.
[stesso discorso per gli adattatori :)]
-- 
j./The statement below is true.
The statement above is false.
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Quanto mi sono divertita a quel seminario!!
ti hanno anche spiegato come mai si prendono certe assurde liberta'?
Trattasi di scelte tecniche? E di che tipo, poi [oltre al rientro nel
labiale]?
-- 
j./There was a moment last night, when she was sandwiched between the 
two Finnish dwarves and the Maori tribesmen, where I thought, "Wow, 
I could really spend the rest of my life with this woman".
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Premesso che la prof che ci insegnava non aveva adattato delle gran
produzioni o filmoni, ci aveva detto di tener conto di:
- significato originale (ovviamente è importante)
- labiale
- tempo impiegato per dire la/e frase/i
- differenze culturali tra paese di origine e Italia
- inuqadratura (se la persona che parla è lontana [=campo lungo],
allora ci si può attenere maggiormente al significato letterale)
Da qui, direi che di libertà non se ne potrebbero prendere molte...
ma molto dipende dalla professionalità (e dal tempo a disposizione)
di chi fa gli adattamenti.
Alle volte sono davvero sconvolta a sentire certe stupidaggini, e non
sono tenera con gli adattatori, poi mi inizio a chiedere quanto tempo
abbiano avuto per fare i dialoghi italiani... se il tempo stringe, la
qualità scenderà, ovviamente.
Per esempio per rendere i giochi di parole di Chandler in quella puntata
in cui torna da Tulsa perché Monica gli ha detto che il suo collega era
divertente... lì per poter avere un testo comico decente ci sarebbe voluto
un comico che riesce a sfornare battute, un adattatore "normale" (o una
persona normale, come potrei essere io), magari ci metterebbe una
settimana... e tutto questo tempo non credo ci sia.
Chissà che poi a distanza di una decina di giorni non pensino "però quella
frase avrei potuto renderla così...", a me capitava quando avevamo delle
traduzioni di "compito", dopo che la consegnavo mi venivano i lampi di
genio...
Cristina

genio...
questo anche a me :)
In ogni caso guardavo oggi i Simpson [non il cofanetto, il palinsesto
:)] e ho avuto la conferma di una cosa che ho sempre pensato, ovvero
che l'adattamento dei Simpson non sia fatto male. Puo' anche essere il
fatto della mancanza del vincolo del labiale, ma come scusa non mi
basta. Non ci vuole un genio a fare un buon prodotto [a parte che
Tonino Accolla *e'* un genio, ma questo e' un altro discorso :)]. Ci
vuole solo un po' di impegno, passione per quello che si fa e via
dicendo. Togliamoci dalle palle i mestieranti del cazzo, gli incapaci,
i frettolosi, i lavoratori a tempo che non hanno mai voglia di fare
niente. Vivremmo molto meglio senza queste zecche. :))))
-- 
j./The HOUSEWIFE hops off The Bride, runs into the kitchen, opens a 
drawer and comes out with a HUGE MOTHERFUCKIN BUTCHER KNIFE.
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niente. Vivremmo molto meglio senza queste zecche. :))))
Non dar troppo la colpa agli adattatori. Prendi i traduttori. Pagati
due lire e con *zero* capacità di dir la propria. Sembra quasi che i
traduttori non siano considerati cervelli, ma semplici automi che
convertono una lingua in un'altra. Credo che con gli adattatori il
problema sia simile. Poi c'è il fatto che, con sta minchiosa cultura
del doppiaggio, spesso la conoscenza dell'inglese è mediocre anche tra
gli addetti ai lavori. 
Se fosse per me farei un bel reset di tutto l'ambaradan, tenendo solo
chi le traduzioni e gli adattamenti li sa fare, eliminando il
doppiaggio, tenendo i sottotitoli adattati in italiano con decenza,
facendo uscire i libri con testo a fronte con maggior diffusione,
imponendo la visione con i sottotitoli ovunque e sedendomi ad
ascoltare le urla di odio delle persone. Sai che scherzino? ^_^
Let's build our paradise!
Sebastiano
-- 
Aisle bee ware yew wont mi two b;
Isle b yore ayes;
Aisle pleas u;
Yew no u knead mi, deer.

 ecco, questa la trovo un'idiozia. :)
Beh, io penso di no invece.
E' una cosa davvero delicata questa.
Una battuta che fa riferimento alla cultura del source language *necessita*
di un adattamento parallelo culturale nel target language.
Naturalmente questo non significa far diventare la mamma di Francesca Cacace
"Zia Assunta", semplicemente rispettare il contesto generale e cercare di
ricrearlo il più possibile affine alla cultura d'arrivo.
Non per questo quest'anno la mia tesi(na) universitaria (eh sì, mi
laureo...cioè diplomo...cioè...boh) sarà proprio sulla traduzione in
Friends!Questo è un aspetto che mi ha sempre affascinato e dedicherò una
tesi(na) intera per cercare di tirarci fuori qualcosa...anzi, la farò
insieme a voi...Dovrò trovare moooooolti esempi di traduzione "errata" e
della difficoltà di tradurre (anche se in realtà è sbagliato parlare di
traduzione) - come per Baby Got Back - e avrò bisogno anche di voi...mi
aiuterete?? :)
Tra l'altro probabilmente farò uno stage a Roma di un mese assieme ad una
delle adattatrici di ER e seguirò il suo lavoro di dialoghista...saprò così
spiegarvi tutto in dettaglio!
Ele / dovrei anche iniziarla 'sta tesina però!

spiegarvi tutto in dettaglio!
Grande! Facci sapere tutto.



Buon lavoro!
Cristina

Let's build our paradise!
O victoria, o muerte!!
...
..
.
Ehm... ^_^;;;;;;;
-- 
j./Chaos, panic, pandemonium - my work here is done.
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O victoria, o muerte!!
^_^
Sebastiano/back to my papers


spiegarvi tutto in dettaglio!
non vediamo l'ora. :))
un'altra cosa, puoi dire a quell'adattatrice di ER che e' un'incapace?
a prescindere. :))
-- 
j./Your village called, their idiot is missing.
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se ne discute qui e si trova fuori come è stato reso il tutto in italiano
ci vuole anche qualcuno che abbia vogia di guardare gli episodi in
italiano, oppure ci sono alcune discussioni della 7a e dell'8a
stagione che riportano alcuni commenti sull'argomento.
inoltre ci sono tre puntate italiane gia' trascritte e non mi
dispiacerebbe se qualcuno volesse riprendere il discorso adesso
[ovvero guardare una puntata in italiano e trascriverla parola per
parola... volontari? :)]
-- 
j./dal "Tempo Reale" di Gazzetta.it:
Squadre in campo con la maglia per prevenire l'Aids.
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vanno, imho, adattate. 
vallo a dire a quegli incapaci :)
[ma perche' ne stiamo parlando io e te che la pensiamo allo stesso
modo? :))]
-- 
j./Merdimonio.
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 Buon lavoro!
Grazie mille!! ;)
Ele.