Newsgroup: it.arti.musica.strumenti.chitarra
Titolo: SUONO VAN HALEN

Con il mio gruppo abbiamo deciso di fare la cover di *ain' t talkin' 'bout
love* dal primo disco dei Van Halen. Chi saprebbe consigliarmi su come
regolare equalizzazione del pre e parametri dell' Intellifex per ottenere un
suono simile.
Non iniziate a bombardarmi con 2000 post dove dite *il suono di V H non lo
otterra' mai nessuno perche'.....blablabla*, lo so che il suono di eddie
(come quello di tanti altri chitarristi) e' inimitabile, volevo solo dei
consigli su come avvicinarmi, basta
grazie
ale

 ale
il suono di Van Halen si fa cosě:
I can go into detail about the Eddie Van Halen method of loading the
amp then driving the effects and echo at line level into a power amp
(he used H&H power amp) then into 4 paralleled cabs into 4 ohms.
I've seen it with my own eyes and heard it from the horse's mouth!!
The setup is a 100 watt Marshall plexi with Sylvania 6CA7's.  The head
is plugged into a VARIAC  to lower the mains voltage to about 90 VAC or
whatever he's in the mood for.  This browns the sound slightly and
helps lenghten the tubes' life.  The speaker out is set at 8 ohms. The
dummy load resistor is adjusted to about 20 ohms.  Then the load
resistor is tapped at center and sent to a box with a potentiometer in
it and and output jack.  The output jack is a line-level low-impedance
source and will not muddy up the tone anywhere.  The pot. is adjusted
for whatever drive level you want.  It then goes into the MXR Phase 90,
MXR flanger, and Echoplex-EP3.  This then goes to the power amp,
usually a low-powered one, 100-200 watts. This is to prevent fucking up
good real low-power vintage speakers, as opposed to today's higher-
powered shit Celestions.  The final power amp he used was by H&H and he
paralleled 4 cabinets down to 4 ohms to connect it to power amp. This
IS the setup for his early days...  Nowadays it's a chorousy-sounding
pile of buzzy horse shit!
The reason why the load resistor is set higher than the selected
impedance of the amp selector is because a 100 watt Marshall head at
full volume into a resistive load set to the same impedance as the head
will put out way over 100 watts, try 160-180 watts.  This is because
the amp will go into class B mode.  When a cabinet is being played at
full volume its impedance climbs, especially higher if it is a sealed
closed back cabinet.  This higher load tends to keep the amp at around
100 watts.  A head played into a resistor of the same value will fry
the primary windings of the transformer due to the excessive A.C.
currents.  So increasing the load resistor by at least twice sort of
keeps the A.C. currents in the range that the output can deal with, at
full volume. This does not muddy the sound.  After the potentiometer,
it is low impedance source and can drive the effects with no problem.
That's why his flanger had so much of a strong effect.  The Echoplex is
quiet in this setup.  If you were to connect a EP3 Echoplex in front
inputs to a 100W Marshall on full volume, the noise and hiss levels
would be insane.
I hung and partied with this guy for years.  He even told me about his
guitar: the body is from a 65' Strat he use to play at the Whiskey A Go
Go and is alder wood.  The necks were from all over, some from mighty
might and some from old Charvel and some from who knows where.  The
pickup is from an early sixties 335 and was dipped in Dr. Zogg's Sex
Wax.  This is surfboard wax that he melted in a coffee can and potted
his pickup in. This is probably the key to his sound.  Since the
capacitance of the pickup was increased a lot, it will brown the sound,
roll off the highs and will also be more distorted sound.  His amp
itself was dead-stock.  The person who introduced him to this amp setup
was Jose Arendondo.
ciao
peps

suono simile.
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consigli su come avvicinarmi, basta
....e fagioli
FranK (gia' Manray-Frank)
pea...@tiscalinet.it
"Ho capito: saro' triste e isolato, mi consumero' nel regno del
crepuscolo dei miei pensieri piu' segreti, restero' sdraiato qui
fino all'alba in uno stato semi-catatonico e sognero' note di 
chitarra che irriterebbero qualsiasi funzionario..." 
                ("Outside Now", Frank Zappa)      

 assoluto da ricreare... basta mettere tutti i controlli al massimo!
si, nell' ampli di Eddy perņ...
vatti un pņ a leggere il mio post ;-P
ziopeps

suono simile.
Quando avrai ottenuto un timbro simile, ricordati di regolare anche un delay (un
paio di taps) a c.a 300ms
 

vatti un pņ a leggere il mio post ;-P
Se sapessi l'inglese... :(
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 Se sapessi l'inglese... :(
attiva il traduttore di Altavista e fatti due risate!;-)))