Newsgroup: it.hobby.satellite-tv.digitale
Titolo: Sky & PVR

Esiste la possibilità di registrare da Sky oltre che con MySky?
X-Dome non mi sembra che abbia il PVR, o sbaglio?
Esiste altrimenti un HDMI Recorder?
Grazie.

 Esiste altrimenti un HDMI Recorder?
No. L'interfaccia HDMI è stata introdotta proprio per proteggere i
contenuti dalla copia abusiva.
Al limite puoi convertire l'HDMI in component (analogico) e registrare
quello.

 Esiste altrimenti un HDMI Recorder?
l'uscita HDMI l'hanno criptata apposta con HDCP.  Non mi sembra al
momento che sia stata scavalcata.
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    lupin(R)    ~     TER: Sony Bravia 46W4500 - SamsungCAM: MP & Dahlia
SAT: Dreambox 7000S EDG-Nemesis 4.4 TivùSat card - SKY 2 generi + Cinema
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GRATTECHECCA: Strumentario antiprurito per omosessuali

 momento che sia stata scavalcata.
No: č stata sfondata di brutto brutto brutto ;-)
Che poi non ci siano oggettini che si comprano al supermerato č
un altro discorso.
    HDCP MASTER KEY (MIRROR THIS TEXT!)
 
    This is a forty times forty element matrix of fifty-six bit
    hexadecimal numbers.
 
    To generate a source key, take a forty-bit number that (in
    binary) consists of twenty ones and twenty zeroes; this is
    the source KSV.  Add together those twenty rows of the matrix
    that correspond to the ones in the KSV (with the lowest bit
    in the KSV corresponding to the first row), taking all elements
    modulo two to the power of fifty-six; this is the source
    private key.
 
    To generate a sink key, do the same, but with the transposed
    matrix.
 
 
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 l'uscita HDMI l'hanno criptata apposta con HDCP.
Mi sembra una fesseria; il DVB-T può essere registrato tranquillamente, 
il PVR oramai è molto diffuso, così anche sui decoder DVB-S, non vedo 
come mai limiti ci debbano essere solo con Sky.
Mi "rompe" che ci siano canali free finiti fuori dal bouquet Sky, per 
questo motivo piuttosto che pagare l'adeguamento per il cambio del 
decoder sarei disposto ad acquistarne uno personale, approfittando 
dell'occasione per aggiungere un PVR. ;)

 Mi "rompe" che ci siano canali free finiti fuori dal bouquet Sky
Se parli dei canali in chiaro su DTT (Rai 4, Rai 5, Rai Movie, Boing,
La 5, ecc.), li puoi registrare mediante MySky e digital key.

 dell'occasione per aggiungere un PVR. ;)
se sei coperto bene dal segnale terrestre puoi aggiungere la Digital Key
(DK) allo SkyBox e se prendi il MySKY puoi registrare anche i canali
DTT.
Oppure devi prenderti la scheda Tiv�Sat (ordinabile singola dal sito
RAI) e accoppiarci un decoder commerciale di cui sopra, con cui potrai
vedere sia SKY che TVSAT e potrai registrare entrambi.  Spendi di pi� ma
sei pi� padrone nella gestione della tua TV.
Dipende da te: magari anche il MySky+DK � sufficiente nel tuo caso.
-- 
    lupin(R)    ~     TER: Sony Bravia 46W4500 - SamsungCAM: MP & Dahlia
SAT: Dreambox 7000S EDG-Nemesis 4.4 Tiv�Sat card - SKY 2 generi + Cinema
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CONCORDATO: Regalato con tutto il cuore

 dentro al bouquet SKY, ad eccezione dei 4 canali RaiSat e di La7/MTV.
Bè, non proprio... prima dell'avvento di TivùSat anche gli eventi
criptati sui tre canali RAI principali (es. NCIS su RaiDue) erano
visibili mediante scheda SKY. Ora non più.

 dentro al bouquet SKY, ad eccezione dei 4 canali RaiSat e di La7/MTV.
No, parlavo di canali stranieri free che puoi ricevere con un qualsiasi 
decoder free-to-air ma non con quello di Sky!
Se devo mettere 2 decoder tanto vale acquistarne uno che mi consenta più 
flessibilità.

 visibili mediante scheda SKY. Ora non piů.
hai ragione... diciamo che io intendo per bouquet l'adesione in toto
alla codifica NDS di SKY e magari su suoi esclusivi transponder.  Cosa
che Rai-Set non hanno mai fatto: lo spazio affittato su HotBird č di Rai
e Mediaset.
L'accordo scellerato sugli eventi criptati in NDS (era compreso nel
vecchio contratto dei RaiSat* dentro SKY), tagliava tutti i non abbonati
SKY dalla visione.  Adesso č il contrario, ma sinceramente meglio dare
il diritto di visione con scheda dedicata TVSAT piuttosto che obbligare
ad un abbonamento annuale i contribuenti RAI che la seguono via sat.
:-)
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    lupin(R)    ~     TER: Sony Bravia 46W4500 - SamsungCAM: MP & Dahlia
SAT: Dreambox 7000S EDG-Nemesis 4.4 TivůSat card - SKY 2 generi + Cinema
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CAVILLO: Animalillo che tritta e galippa

 più flessibilità.
Agree.  :-)
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    lupin(R)    ~     TER: Sony Bravia 46W4500 - SamsungCAM: MP & Dahlia
SAT: Dreambox 7000S EDG-Nemesis 4.4 TivùSat card - SKY 2 generi + Cinema
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FATTORE DI POTENZA: Contadino della Basilicata

 sullo SkyBox.
Proverò a ricontrollare. Grazie.

 Ne sono al corrente, infatti hanno esaurito i decoder
strano, a un mio conoscente (nuovo abbonato) lo hanno installato pochi
giorni fa.  Boh.
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    lupin(R)    ~     TER: Sony Bravia 46W4500 - SamsungCAM: MP & Dahlia
SAT: Dreambox 7000S EDG-Nemesis 4.4 TivùSat card - SKY 2 generi + Cinema
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INVANO: Stanza inutile

 dipenderebbe sempre dallo scatolotto che potrebbe anche guastarsi! :(
Da questa politica Sky ci guadagna molto. La politica commerciale del
"if value then pay", ovvero di riuscira a recuperare il sovrappiu` del
consumatore e` molto attraente: ai tempi del Gold Box, ovviamente
Telepiu` cercava di affittare il Goldbox, ma l'utente evoluto si
comprava il MM9600 o lo Humax 5400 e la Aston CAM, con il risultato che
l'acquirente che spendeva di piu` per il sat dava meno soldi a Telepiu`.
Sky poi essendo in regime di acquirente unico con i produttori di
decoder puo` spuntare condizioni molto favorevoli. 
Alla maggior parte di coloro che sono disposti a spendere di piu`
propone un prodotto che costa un po' e contemporaneamente sega le 
gambe alla concorrenza. Dandolo in comodato poi evita l'effetto Nokia
9500, in cui il decoder chiuso e proprietario e` diventato aperto e
dalle mille possibilita`.