Newsgroup: it.cultura.ebraica
Titolo: Non sono ebreo


Se io non smentissi decisamente l'affermazione di Serghiey, mi renderei
colpevole di usurpazione di titolo.
Non sono infatti ebreo, e non ha senso che Serghiey tenti di imporre la sua
definizione di ebreo. Anche il regime fascista che gli piace tanto fino al
1938/5698 ebbe il buon senso di lasciare che fossero le comunita' ebraiche
stesse a stabilire chi fosse ebreo o meno, e seguendo soltanto l'_halakha_,
cioe' il diritto ebraico.
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cioe' il diritto ebraico.
Ma puo' l'_halakha_, esaurire la questione?
IMHO no. 
Essere ebrei puo' essere anche una pura scelta IMHO, ancor prima che
un' appartenenza religiosa, comunitaria e/o etnica.
Ma non rilevaIa la mia o qualsiasi altra definizione di ebreo,
Liang...il punto è perchè questi integristi cattolici e parafascisti
vengono a "catechizzarci" su quale è il miglior ebreo, il vero
sionista, quale' il bene di Israele, qual'e' il giusto modo di
sostenere il diritto all'esistenza dello stato di Israele.
E, come ho scritto altrove, non riesco a trovare altre ragioni che una
disivolta azione politica prettamente italiana.
Anche se mi devo trattenere dal replicare ogniqualvolta scarico ICE da
produrre feroci reply a questi relativisti morali/doppiopesisti, credo
che semplicemente vadano ignorati...le loro parole e attribuzioni di
valore sono la miglior vetrina della loro pochezza etica.
Sarei pero' curioso di conoscere il punto di vista di Joram [ e anche
del resto del gruppo ovviamente]  su questo tema cosi' "forte" che
inevitabilmente sta delineandosi, ovvero:
Puo' un'indistinta posizione filo-israeliana consentire qualsiasi
sproloquio revisionista?
Perchè è questo sproloquio revisionista a cui stiamo assistendo [e non
solo su ICE]  la moneta con cui la destra cattolica sta cercando di
comprare la perdita della nostra memoria.
Grazie
MMAX
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 cioe' il diritto ebraico.
Purtroppo proprio la definizione "etnica" di ebreo è stata invocata dal nazismo
e dal fascismo per giustificare la persecuzione di molte persone che avevano
solamente la colpa di essere figli o figlie di uno o di entrambi i genitori
ebrei. Quindi non porterei ad esempio della validità oggettiva della
definizione "halakika" di cosa sia un ebreo il fatto che essa possa aver
trovato, al tempo del fascismo, un qualche tipo di pubblico rilievo.
Sostenere che "ebreo e chi sia figlio di madre ebrea" è un modo ovviamente del
tutto legittimo di intendere cosa un ebreo sia. Ma si tratta di una convenzione
interna all'ebraismo che a mio parere un non ebreo non ha alcun motivo di far
propria. Per un non ebreo ciò che conta è la distinzione sulla base della fede.
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 comprare la perdita della nostra memoria.
guarda, stai attento, adesso ti danno del comunista mangiabambini e
ignorante....:-)
ciao
A.
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Me lo riassumi per favore?
Grazie.
Gof
g....@xciaoweb.it
 - leva le x per rispondere
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ignorante....:-)
Me li magno  <g>
MMAX
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http://www.burks.de/tactic.html
Nazi-Propaganda im Internet
Empfaenger : /CL/ANTIFA/NEUE_RECHTE
Betreff : Aryan Network: Agitation in News
Datum : Di 30.06.98, 09:48 (erhalten: 30.06.98)
Zitat aus einer Mail des US-Nazis Milton Klein:
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On Tactics and Strategy for USENET 
An Essay by Milton John Kleim, Jr. 
USENET offers enormous opportunity for the Aryan Resistance to
disseminate our message to the unaware and the ignorant. It is the
only relatively uncensored (so far) free-forum mass medium which we
have available. The State cannot yet stop us from "advertising" our
ideas and organizations on USENET, but I can assure you, this will not
always be the case. NOW is the time to grasp the WEAPON which is the
Net, and wield it skillfully and wisely while you may still do so
freely. 
Crucial to our USENET campaign is that our message is disseminated
beyond "our" groups: alt.politics.nationalism.white,
alt.politics.white-power, alt.revolution.counter, alt.skinheads, and
to a certain extent, alt.revisionism. 
We MUST move out beyond our present domain, and take up positions on
"mainstream" groups 
Each USENET "cyber guerilla" must obtain a listing of all Net News
groups that are available on their system, and search through the list
for groups suitable for our posts. Don't overlook foreign-oriented and
-language newsgroups. 
Find groups that require "tailored" messages: rec. groups concerning
food would be suitable for our "kosher tax" message; alt., soc., and
talk. groups concerning politics and society would be suitable for our
message about the Jewish-controlled media. 
Find groups that are suitable for organizational and literature
advertisements: talk.politics.guns should have regular posts
explaining how to order suppressed books; rec.radio.shortwave should
have regular posts of the _American Dissident Voices_ schedule;
alt.music. groups should have regular posts about Resistance Records. 
Continually advertise our World Wide Web and FTP resources on any and
all suitable newsgroups. Systematically post the addresses for the
Alliance Website (
http://www.natvan.com
) and Stormfront Website
(
http://stormfront.wat.com/stormf
 ront), and the Alliance FTP site
(
FTP.Netcom.com
, /pub/NA/NA). 
Create posts that are succinct and self-sustaining. By
"self-sustaining," I mean the post should be ideologically clear, with
adequate information to assist the curious to find the "proof" they
seek. An example is in the "kosher tax" issue: DON'T post something
complaining about paying more so Jews can keep kosher. Post something
that directs the curious to their cupboard to "prove" our contentions,
with reasons why they should be concerned about the issue. 
Remember: volume and regularity. Make sure at least one article that
articulates well one or more of our ideas remains on "our" groups AT
ALL TIMES, even if it is only a short reply to the Enemy. 
When a newbie sympathetic to us visits "our" groups, and discovers no
posts expressing views which should be characteristic of the group, he
or she will become discouraged, possibly never to return, and
disheartened that White resistance is apparently non-existent. PREVENT
THIS! 
Furthermore, when a newbie posts a message sympathetic to us, CONTACT
THEM IMMEDIATELY! Welcome them to the group, and offer them
information about our activities. If we fail to contact newbies, they
could also become discouraged by this as well, assuming the White Net
resistance doesn't care about them and/or is incompetent. I built my
personal mailing list of over 80 activists largely through this means.
As the Net grows, more and more people sympathetic to our Cause will
journey onto it, and we need to greet them. 
Except on "our" groups, avoid the Race Issue. Side-step it as much as
possible. We don't have the time to defend our stance on this issue
against the comments of hundreds of fools, liars, and degenerates who,
spouting the Jewish line, will slaughter our message with half-truths,
slander, and the ever-used sophistry. 
If a newbie or a lurker who seems sincere inquires about racial
science, deal with them ONLY via e-mail. Offer them information as
your knowledge permits, referring them to scientific works if you are
not widely-read enough to sustain a decent discussion with them about
it. 
Avoid engaging in non-productive debates with enemy activists. It is
often difficult to distinguish between the Enemy's dedicated lackeys,
and the misguided who are merely parroting what the Jewsmedia has
taught them. The former are to be ignored, though it is understandably
difficult to endure their cheap insults. The latter should be dealt
with in a polite, sincere way. Few are "converted" solely by reason,
but one who is open to new ideas and the facts can be guided in the
right direction by reasonable, respectful argumentation. 
Sophistry, the art of using false logic to make ridiculous ideas
appear to be thoroughly sound, is our opponents' number one weapon.
DENY THEM THEIR WEAPON! Deny them full use of their bag of dirty
tricks by controlling the debate that ensues from our posts. Simple
minded (not to imply unintelligent) lurkers will be discouraged if
they are confused by sophistic gibberish -- which is of course why the
Enemy uses that tactic. In some cases, you may want to "regulate" how
widely your posts are distributed; when appropriate, manually cancel
your posts to prevent unnecessary debate. 
Remember: our overall USENET strategy must be to repeat powerful
themes OVER AND OVER AND OVER. We cannot compete with the Jewsmedia,
of course, as our propaganda dissemination is but a very small
fraction of the everywhere pervasive leftist propaganda. However, our
ideas possess an energy that truth alone contains. Our ideas, when
matched one to one with the chimera of the Jews, overwhelm theirs with
ease, because OURS ARE IN SYNC WITH REALITY. One well-written message
containing our ideas has much greater "bang for the buck." 
Remember: our overall USENET strategy must be to repeat powerful
themes OVER AND OVER AND OVER. We cannot compete with the Jewsmedia,
of course, as our propaganda dissemination is but a very small
fraction of the everywhere pervasive Zionist propaganda. However, our
ideas possess an energy that truth alone contains. Our ideas, when
matched one to one with the chimera of the Jews, overwhelm theirs with
ease, because OURS ARE IN SYNC WITH REALITY. One well-written message
containing our ideas has much greater "bang for the buck." 
IMPORTANT: While we should all admire his perseverance, NEVER, EVER,
do "the Gannon," and spam groups with messages totally unrelated to
the group's focus [1]. You will fail in your efforts, as you will
infuriate some and generate contempt in nearly all of the group's
readers, who may read other groups you would target. You could also
lose your access, as a flood of hate-mail pours into your system
administrator's mailbox. 
Tailor your messages for each group. Our ideology has myriad facets,
and the well-informed activist can extract something to fit onto just
about every group. 
Don't use unnecessary "overkill" -- if a "grenade" will do the job,
DON'T use a "nuclear weapon." Of course, overkill can be a useful
controversy generator and attention-getter, and occasionally there is
a sound use for this tactic, but, if you post a message so
inapproriately provocative and/or pompous, it will diminish your
effectiveness. 
If you have the time and money to spend, monitor the Enemy's groups,
such as soc.culture.jewish, and other groups where his ideas have
complete reign, such as soc.culture.german. Watch for material that
would be of use to us, such as news of enemy mailing lists or FTP and
WWW sites. Relay such information to your comrades, possibly via the
ANA [2]. Much can be freely learned from the Enemy through this
manner. 
WARNING: Be aware that EVERYTHING you post will be seen by the Enemy.
All of your posts may be catalogued and archived for future use by the
Enemy, either by self-appointed "Net police" like the notorious Ken
Mcvay [3], or by lurkers from the so-called "Anti-Defamation League"
and the "Simon Wisenthal Center." 
DO NOT EVER post a message that advocates or supports an illegal act
or activity. Be assured that any message you post that even hints of
direct action will be archived! If you explicitly advocate illegality,
such an expression will surely be used against you, possibly
immediately, by the Secret Police. The First Amendment still
guarantees a wide variety of political expression, and explicit
advocacy of unlawful behavior is NOT necessary. If your understandable
anger builds to a point where you must say SOMETHING, express your
feelings by quoting the fourth clause of the _Declaration of
Independence_ and the ninth article of the _Bill of Rights_. 
Avoid crossposting your articles. Post each article individually to
each newsgroup, rather than collectively to several newsgroups at
once. This makes it more difficult for the Enemy to accurately monitor
our Net activity and inhibits his ability to counterpost against us on
each and every group we post to. 
In rare instances, pro-Zionist and/or self-righteous renegades have
cancelled "controversial" posts, usually citing alleged "net abuse,"
by forging cancellation messages. Since the Net has no "governing
body," nor an universal convention accepted by all outlining posting
regulations, "net abuse" is a subjective and usually meaningless
accusation. Cancelling another's posts for _any_ reason is unethical,
and possibly illegal. If one should encounter this problem, the most
effective defense is to use different subject headings for each
posting, to minimize the threat of blanket cancellation. 
If possible, use "front" accounts to post your messages. If your
primary access allows you to TELNET to other sites, obtain one or more
"FreeNet" accounts on various systems around North America. Most
FreeNets allow users to access USENET, the Web, and other services for
no charge. Using front accounts helps protect your personal security,
as well as allows you to overcome censorship against you more
efficiently; simply switch to another front account if one is
terminated. Some of the more popular and useful FreeNets are the
National Capital FreeNet in Ottawa (
FreeNet.Carleton.CA
), and the
Greater Detroit FreeNet (
Detroit.FreeNet.org
). 
Coordinate your activities with your comrades. It would be especially
helpful if a "combat information center," to borrow a Navy concept,
were to be established under a reliable, competent organizer. This
person would not "issue orders," but would take note of who's doing
what and where they're doing it. The "CIC" could make recommendations
for which activities and which "fronts" needed attention. 
Remember: SUSTAINED, electronic "guerilla warfare," "hit and run"
style, using short, "self-contained" posts is a major component of our
struggle. Put your Net access to good use, today and EVERY day! 
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NOTES 
Dan Gannon, a "Holocaust" revisionist, is a pioneer in using the Net
for anti-Zionist propaganda. He was notorious for mass postings of
revisionist material. "Spamming" is a cyberese colloquialism for
indiscriminate posting to multiple newsgroups. 
The Aryan News Agency, founded 1993 by the author to rapidly and
reliably distribute news to Aryan Net activists via e-mail and USENET.
Free subscription is available from the new editor, Rick Knight
(bf221@FreeNet. Carleton.CA). 
Ken Mcvay, founder and administrator of the "'Holocaust' and Fascism
Archives" ("now known as the "Nizkor Project"), is a fanatical Zionist
lackey who monitors Aryan Net activists and spews pro-Zionist
propaganda. 
zurück 
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 Grazie.
Te lo riassumo io: seguendo l'insegnamento di Hillel, "non fare agli altri
quello che non vorresti fosse fatto a te" (versione leggera della massima
prescritta dalla Torah "veahavtah lerehacha kamocha" - "ama il prossimo tuo
come te stesso"). Questo è il riassunto del diritto ebraico, ma c'è una
glossa fondamentale. Hillel conclude: "adesso vai e studia!". E io lo ripeto
a te e al tuo amichetto: vai e studia.
Buono studio!
Sergio
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 MMAX
Joram
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pericolo IMHO.
Ah beh.....io infatti biasimo il tentativo e lo ritengo offensivo non
temo la riuscita.
MMAX
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 cui prima era obbligato, ma questa e' un'altra storia...
c'è una battuta di Moni Ovadia a questo riguardo.
Che dice più o meno che non esistono pazzi che si vogliono convertire
all'ebraismo.
Costoro sono semplicemente già ebrei, ma non sanno di esserlo.
Naturalmente come la racconta Ovadia è spassosa, ma io non la so riportare
esattamente...
A:
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 antitetiche a quanto da te scritto.
Rav David Goldberg č rabbino capo della Sinagoga Liberal di Londra.
http://www.ljs.org/
 č il link al sito della Liberal Jewish Synagogue di
Londra.
Molti discorsi di Rav Goldberg possono essere letti sul sito.
ciao
A.
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Molti discorsi di Rav Goldberg possono essere letti sul sito.
Grazie...ho bookmarkato e sto leggendo...anche altri scritti.
Molto, molto interessante....
MMAX
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