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Titolo: [info] dissection

Non ho piu' loro notizie....sbaglio o e' dal 97 che non pubblicano
nulla....si sono per caso sciolti?
Thanks
Flex74
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 nulla....si sono per caso sciolti?
Il loro leader Jon č in galera per omicidio e ne avrą ancora per un bel po'
(mi pare ancora una ventina d'anni). Dovrebbe uscire un live a breve, ma le
notizie sono frammentarie...
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 (mi pare ancora una ventina d'anni).
ma non dovrebbe uscire nel 2004?
o forse anceh questa è una delle solite notiziole
qaplà
G.B.Teo

 o forse anceh questa Š una delle solite notiziole
Ma chi ha ucciso?
Ave!
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 G.B.Teo
Si,deve uscire nel 2004 o nel 2005,ora nn ricordo precisamente.
Ciao,
Luca "omnio"

 Ma chi ha ucciso?
Un marocchino omosessuale se non ricordo male. L'ha ucciso assieme ad un
altro tizio. Lui si è beccato 8 anni, l'altro 10.

 ha scritto nel messaggio
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L'altro tizio era niente di meno che Faust.
Hailz

 altro tizio. Lui si è beccato 8 anni, l'altro 10.
Ma io dico, in Italia non danno almeno 20 anni per omicidio?
qaplà
G.B.Teo

 ha scritto nel messaggio
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Penso che la pena massima prevista in norvegia sia di 21 anni.
Hailz

 Penso che la pena massima prevista in norvegia sia di 21 anni.
Norvegia?
Ma non erano in Svezia?
O per lo meno, essendo i Dissection svedesi, ho pensato che il fatto sia
avvenuto in Svezia e che lui fosse tuttora detenuto in Svezia.
qaplą
G.B.Teo

 G.B.Teo
mmh non so allora hhehehheeh
Hailz

Ma non erano in Svezia?
[cut]
Certo che erano in Svezia.Goteborg per la precisione.Ciao.
Pedro

L'altro tizio era niente di meno che Faust.
Se ben ricordo Faust ha commesso l'omicidio a Lillehammer,non a
Goteborg,quindi non credo sia lui.Ciao
Pedro

 ha scritto nel messaggio
news:3bec354e...@News.CIS.DFN.DE...
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mmh ad esser sincero nn ricordo cmq avevo letto di questo mi sembra su Lord
Of Chaos e Faust era in bibita ed è stato avvicinato da un omosessuale
(Magne Andreassen) e Faust l'ha portato in un bosco e l'ha ucciso con una
coltellata nello stomaco e penso che era da solo mmhhhh devo indagare.
Hailz

L'altro tizio era niente di meno che Faust.
Due idioti a braccetto eh? Ma perche' poi solo 8-10 anni? Cos'e' i
marocchini gay non danno abbastanza punti? La prossima volta che
devono fare? Fare secco un americano cattolico ed eterossesuale?
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devono fare? Fare secco un americano cattolico ed eterossesuale?
Non credo che la pochezza della condanna sia dovuta alla nazionalita'
(per la precisione algerina) e alle abitudini sessuali di colui che e'
stato ucciso.In Svezia,per quel poco che ho visto,algerini e gay non
sono trattati come "diversi".Ciao.
Pedro

 L'altro tizio era niente di meno che Faust.
NO!!!! Non centra niente Faust!!! Sono andato a ribeccare l'articolo in cui
avevo letto il tutto. Allora:
non era marocchino ma algerino. L'altro si chiamava Vlad ed era un satanista
convinto(...). Il resto... va bè... se volete ve lo racconto... Altrimenti
ciao

 devono fare? Fare secco un americano cattolico ed eterossesuale?
8 anni sono lunghi da far passare in prigione.
Solo perche' siamo abituati a vedere le cose in un certo modo non
significa che sia quello giusto, ne' che ce ne sia uno giusto.
Poi bisogna considerare le attenuanti e tutto il resto, non
commentiamo certe cose che non sappiamo neanche come sono andate... a
meno che tu non abbia gli atti del processo, ma non credo.
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8 anni sono lunghi da far passare in prigione.
Questo lo penso anch'io.
Stefano

 Ma non erano in Svezia?
I casi Faust e Jon sono completamente separati e distinti.
Non facciamo confusione.
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 meno che tu non abbia gli atti del processo, ma non credo
Non sono molto esperto sulla vicenda... ma pure Satyr (o era Morgan?) ha
detto che č stato un coglione, in quanto il tipo omosessuale lo stava
semplicemente guardando... (Grind Zone di NON_SO_QUANDO).
Cmq, lě c'era scritto che ha ucciso un certo "Varg"...
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 ciao
Vai "spara" e dicci!
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 Cmq, lě c'era scritto che ha ucciso un certo "Varg"...
Non colgo.
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 Vai "spara" e dicci!
Va bè... Vi metto quello che ho io...
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The Murder (July 22 1997 to July 29 1997):
It all began on the early Tuesday morning of July 22 1997. Jon and his
friend Vlad (Also known as Nemesis), had been out partying for 2 days and
had also taken amphetamin. They were on the way home from a pornclub, when
they met Josef Ben Meddour, a 37 (or 36) years old algerian gay who had
lived in Sweden for about 10 years. They started to talk and he accompanied
them. It turned out that Josef was gay, and he touched Jon´s hair and said
it was beautiful. Jon didn`t like this, but instead of asking him to leave
they asked him to follow them to Jon´s apartment. At first, Josef didn´t
want to, but after a while he hesitatively joined them. When they arrived at
Jon´s place, Vlad waited outside together with Josef, while Jon went up to
get some beer. That was of course just what he said. He did get beer, but
his real intention was to fetch a gun and a electrical shockweapon. Later in
the trial, they said they "wanted to teach him a lesson". Together with
Josef, they then walked up to the water tower on Ramberget (The Ram
mountain) in Keillers Park, not far away from Jon´s home. Once up there,
they watched the view over Gothenburg. Then Jon took out the shockweapon
behind Josef´s back, and gave him a shock in the neck. It was meant to
paralyse him, but it didn´t. That could be a reason why they ended up
killing him.
Instead of getting paralysed, Josef started to run away. Jon threw the gun
to Vlad, who fired the first shot, and hit Josef in the back. He fell down
and rolled a few meters. When he stopped, Jon took the gun and shot Josef in
the neck. Then they ran away.
- Note - This is, of course, not anything I know for sure. I guess no one
except Jon and Vlad knows how it really happened, but the police´
reconstruction of the murder looked like that.
Josef was found by a 16 year old boy on the early evening the day after the
murder. In the beginning, the police didn´t have any clues about it, but
they arrested Josef´s old boyfriend, a 44 years old man from Sweden, on the
Thursday, 2 days after the murder. Though they kept it as a secret until
Monday 28th, 6 days after the murder, when they took him into custody. But
after a couple of days, they had to release him because of not enough
evidence. He later got 15000 swedish crowns (about $1500) for damages,
because of "sufferings during the arrest" or something like that.
5 months passed and both Jon and Vlad lived normal lives. Jon went on a
minitour in Germany with Dissection and played in Wacken in the beginning of
August, only 2 weeks after the murder! Vlad got in touch with a girl from
Stockholm, who also was a satanist. They got together and he invited her to
join his and Jon´s satanic order; "The Misantrophic Lucifer Order" (MLO).
Together they had a satanic mass where they sacrificed a cat and drank
eachothers blood. This girl was the reason why Jon and Vlad got arrested in
December that year.
The Arrest (November 31 1997 to January 3 1998):
Vlad lived in Angered in Gothenburg from the beginning, but he moved to the
suburb Norsborg outside Stockholm on the 31th of November. But after 2 weeks
his girlfriend reported him to the police because he had beaten her up. She
also told them that Vlad had bragged about the murder of Josef.
"We killed that fag!", he had said when they walked past a placard about it.
So on Monday the 15th of December, the police arrested Vlad in his apartment
in Norsborg. When they arrested him, he was on his way out and had a gun on
him. The same gun which Josef had been shot with. Though he didn´t make so
much resistant (if any) during the arrest. When they then searched his
apartment they found a sacrifice room, an altar and some other things. They
also found pieces of hair, bones from humans, a bottle with human blood,
obduction movies and a 200 years old human cranium, which had been taken
from a grave.
Vlad had also assaulted 3 persons, in the end of June, when Hammerfall had
the releaseparty for their first album in the club "Down Under" in
Gothenburg. He had hit one woman and one man in the face and had kicked
another man in the face. He had also put his friends in a line and shouted:
"Sieg Heil! Shall we kill people!?".
Therefore they brought him into custody on the Thursday 18th of December,
suspected for:
* - Assault and threat on his girlfriend.
* - Illegal possession of weapon.
* - Three cases of assault in the summer.
* - Grave robbery.
* - The murder of Josef Ben Meddour.
* - The murder of the 16 years old girl Malin Olsson who was found killed in
a cemetary in the late summer of 1994.
(Could be even more...or less)
The same day they brought Vlad into custody, the police arrested Jon in his
apartment in Gothenburg, accused for murder and illegal possession of
weapon. Both of them denied any crime, but were kept in custody.
The Trial (April 28 1998 to September 25 1998):
On the Tuesday 28th of April 1998, the prosecutor pressed charges against
Vlad and Jon. Vlad entered the courtroom with all black clothes, pentagram
necklaces, long black hair and MC boots. Jon, though, had change his style
completly. He had cut his hair and had ordinary clothes. He looked like any
other person in the room.
They blamed eachothers for shooting Josef, so nobody knows exactly who did
it. Vlad´s girlfriend, who was about 5 months pregnant with his child, first
told the jury, when she testified against him and Jon, a different story
than she has said to policemen in 3 different inquiries. She said that Vlad
had paralysed Josef with the shock gun after which Jon had taken out the gun
and shot him twice in the back. But after a while, the prosecutor got her to
go back to her old story, which was that Vlad first shot Josef in the back
and then gave the gun to Jon who shot him in the neck.
The trial continued until Monday the 6th of July 1998, when they got their
penalties.
The court was sure that Vlad fired the first bullet at Josef and he was
therefore - despite his denial - covicted for murder. That would have
normally given him a lifetime in jail, but since he only was 20 when he shot
Josef he got 10 years in jail instead. If he had been 21, he would indeed
got lifetime.
The court choosed to believe in the story Jon told them, because he told
them things that weren´t to his advantage. And that´s lucky for him, because
therefore he was only convicted for assistance in the murder. He was
considered to have assisted just a little bit, so he only got 8 years in
prison, instead of lifetime, which is the ordinary penalty for assistance in
murder.
But 20 days later, on Friday the 26th of July, Jon´s penalty was increased
with 2 years. So his final judge was, just as Vlad´s, 10 years in prison. He
was put in the prison in Tidaholm, but has since then been transfered first
to the Kalmar prison, and then to one in Åkersberga, called "Österåkers
anstalten", where he is being held now.

sono trattati come "diversi".Ciao.
Si lo so, e' solo che sapere che uno che spezza una vita puo' godersi
la propria in liberta' dopo solo 10 anni mi fa girare un pochino le
balle...
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meno che tu non abbia gli atti del processo, ma non credo.
Uno che uccide un'altro perche' lo sta "guardando"? Attenuanti? E
quali? Io conosco solo la legittima difesa.
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 Tutto cio' che e' per sentito dire non ha valore.
Quindi tu c'eri?
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 bla:
"he only was 20 when he shot
Josef he got 10 years in jail instead. If he had been 21, he would indeed
got lifetime."
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 Quindi tu c'eri?
No, e infatti non ho commentato.
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balle...
Ogni Paese ha le sue leggi, non credo sia a noi dire quali sono giuste
e quali sbagliate.
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 Non facciamo confusione.
vabeh stavasmo parlando dei Dissection.....
qaplà
G.B.Teo

 got lifetime."
???
qaplà
G.B.Teo

 No, e infatti non ho commentato.
Beh allora nn dovresti mai commentare nulla o quasi!
Le informazioni riportate, se da fonte attendibile, devono invece essere 
prese come spunto per commenti e opinioni, diamine!
Ripeto, da fonte attendibile xo'!
Ave!
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>>> semplicemente guardando... (Grind Zone di NON_SO_QUANDO).
E gli altri insicuri, pieni di "questo e' solo quello che so io" ecc.
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 vabeh stavasmo parlando dei Dissection.....
Sě, perň č stato tirato in ballo pure Faust... Vorrei solo ci fosse
chiarezza.
Comunque, anche se ho risposto a te, non volevo rivolgermi a te... Vabbč.
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