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Titolo: la mia sul nuovo pezzo dei ryche

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 modernisti non mi dispiacciono affatto.
Neanche a me... :-)
Pero' mi aspetto solo che qualcuno dica che e' "nu metal", per via del
"rappato" (dimenticando che anche in "Spreading The Disease" c'era una
parte al limite del rap :-D)
Daniele
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parte al limite del rap :-D)
"religion and sex are powerplays, manipulate the people for the money
they pay, selling skin, selling god, the numbers looks the same on
their credit cards !!!" :D
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Ma dove l'avete sentita voi? Dal fan club o da altre fonti? C'era una news
su truemetal, ma la canzone č stato subito rimossa..
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 their credit cards !!!" :D
Quella canzone ha un testo di fuoco...e suona ancora tremendamente attuale!

 modernisti non mi dispiacciono affatto.
Ma neanche a me dispiace, e neanche mi scandalizzo per la parte
pseudo-rappata... dico che secondo me dura solo un po' troppo.
/me ha comprato un giornare metal dopo un paio d'anni solo perché c'era lo
studio report sui Ryche (Metal Hammer) :D
Gianluca
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 modernisti non mi dispiacciono affatto.
Neanche a me, solo che il ritornello fa schifo. Speriamo sia l'unico!
Niccolo'.

 their credit cards !!!" :D
Ah, per voi questa parte e' rap?...allora abbiamo un'idea un po' diversa di
"cantato" rap: per me questo passaggio e' un semi-parlato, ma non ridicolo e
senza alcun senso melodico ne' pathos, come nel '90% del rap...anzi, e' un
passaggio che mi e' sempre piaciuto molto, e fosse simil-rap come dite voi
mi avrebbe fatto tutt'altro effetto vi assicuro...
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Alessio "The Sentinel"

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My first experience of Queensryche was hearing "The Warning". I remember
thinking that the singer was really good, but the sound was less than
impressive. I loved the music, but felt that the mix was not really alive.
That was that, at least for then...
Months later I was told they were looking for a producer, so I contacted
them immediately. They had no idea who I was, but after seeing my resume
decided I had the credentials to be considered for the job. I had arrived at
their manager's house about lunchtime, and the band met me in the evening. I
had had the opportunity to listen to the material once at the manager's
home, but the band grilled me on my thoughts anyway. By this time I was
really jetlagged (I'd flown in from NY that morning) but I answered all the
questions right and told them what I would do with each song. I think it was
that meeting that got me the job - it felt great and relaxed meeting them
all.
I didn't really own any metal albums at that time. I didn't even own
Priest's UITE (which I had mixed, and which the guys loved) so I hardly had
any metal frame of reference for QR. I had just produced Dokken's ULAK, and
Michael Wilton told me how much he hated that :-)
So, I honestly never thought of QR as metal. The Warning felt really Floydy
and progressive to me, and the toned down mix by Val Garay was definintely
not a metal mix. Their musical influences during the making of RfO were
extremely varied, as were mine. Albums that we listened to a lot during
pre-pro and tracking were definintely NOT metal, such as Rick Springfield's
"Tao" a great album, Floyd stuff etc. I was really into industrial stuff
back then, and Dave "Rave" Ogilvie happened to be my assistant on the album.
He was also the producer of Skinny Puppy (we tracked Rage in Vancouver BC)
and he took us to lots of cool industrial and dance clubs during our stay.
We also got to see SP live - unbelievable.
The band had told me when we met that they wanted the albm to sound "cruel
and cold". I was happy to oblige. I know they hated the way "The Warning"
had turned out. I just hoped I could do better. So we had lots of different
influences flying around, from Foreigner to SP to Rick Springfield. We also
listened to some gothy stuff too, but I can't really remember who it was,
possibly Bauhaus/Peter Murphy? And we had a sampler - an Emulator2. And I
had a Mac. We were set!
The job of a producer (or one of them) is to help set the stage within which
the creative process will take place, with all the elements, creature
comforts and technology necessary to make the album what you all hope it can
become. We are facilitators. So, I think it's fair to say that all the
producers who have worked with the Ryche have all been faced with that task.
I think we've all done pretty well to be honest. Peter Collins is a master
at the job, and I think he made the two best QR albums. He's a consummate
professional with a great ear, and a lot of discipline. I think he was a
great choice for them coming off Rage as by then I had helped them learn
quite a bit about HOW to put their music together during RfO. With Peter at
the helm, with his radio sensibility, they were in really good hands.
So, they remain an enigma. Every release different, definitely progressive
(particularly in the early days - say pre Empire). I honestly never thought
they were metal, but a heavy progressive band. But then I was fairly new to
the world of metal (in spite of my producing Dokken etc). As I said, I owned
very little metal at that time, but lots of jazz, fusion, progressive and
even pop music (from the Hall and Oates era)
When I saw the album cover I was amazed. The management had pushed for the
glam look to be on the cover. Admittedly when we went out in Van BC the guys
would do a lot of hair-teasing (Rave had a straight iron and a mohawk) so
the guys got into the industrial vibe up there. The album cover was not
really what the band looked like during the making of the album :-)
Anyhow, I'm looking forward to hearing the new album. I've eagerly awaited
most of their albums, except the ones I heard about after they were already
out. I remember when I heard OM for the first time, on headphones with a
particularly nice glass or two of wine. I got it from Tower the day it came
out. That was something to experience! And the first time I heard Empire was
at my engagement party in Seattle in 1990, some months before the album came
out. Michael and Lyn Wilton came to the party and we traded advance
cassettes of our latest work. He gave me Empire - I gave him Wicked
Sensation by Lynch Mob :-)
The next day I had to have a root canal, and my dentist let me take
headphones. So I took Empire and listened to it twice back to back. I'll
never forget that experience either!
Seattle was a sleepy little town when I first went there in the 70s, and
later in 85. What a huge transformation occurred starting in 1989. By then
QR was well established, and about to release their biggest album yet.
Grunge was underground, but not for long. I moved there to get married in
'90. Occasionally I'd hang out with the guys - we'd meet up at a pub in
Eddie's and my neighbourhood of Juanita, and catch up with the news. The
last time i saw them was at Scott's wedding to Cara, about a month after my
own in 1991.
These reminiscences aside, which were all good memories - I have always been
a fan of Queensryche. From the very first listen to The Warning I got
chills. They have a special place in my career and in my heart. It's
sometimes difficult for me to see them getting bashed the way they have been
recently, but I understand that not everyone has the same sense of patience
that I have with my friends, people who I shared some crazy fun months with
making Rage. I don't have any expectations of them. I just hope they are
having a great time making the new album (or had making it) - hopefully as
much fun as we had doing RfO. That was probably the most fun I ever had in
the studio - it was just amazing.
I agree with you about how the band has always been amorphous and
uncategorisable. I thnk that's a very good quality to have in this weak
cookie cutter world of genres and classification. To hybridise is to take
chances and cross-pollinate, to take bold steps out of the "safe place" or
the straight and narrow. The sooner people stop expecting a retro,
predictable QR album the better. It won't happen.
I wish them well and happy, and look forward to hearing "Tribe".
Neil K.
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