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Titolo: rivaluescion

somewhere in time, ascoltato ieri sera davanti a una buona birra. Dopo 
anni, ha acquistato qualche punticino.
(toglietemi una curiosita`: quello di The Loneliness Of The Long 
Distance Runner e` da considerare blastbeat?)

 Distance Runner e` da considerare blastbeat?)
Boh, penso che il termine si adatti meglio a generi piů estremi...
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 Boh, penso che il termine si adatti meglio a generi più estremi...
tecnicamente potrebbe benissimo starci...

 Distance Runner e` da considerare blastbeat?)
Naaaah...
Niccolo'.

 anni, ha acquistato qualche punticino.
A me piace un botto ed è il mio 3° disco preferito dei Maiden dopo Killers, 
TNOTB e prima di Powerslave e Iron Maiden
Hail
Lupo 

 TNOTB e prima di Powerslave e Iron Maiden
Powreslave non e` certo il mio preferito e lo metto abbastanza in basso 
alla classifica... l'omonimo pero` e` da isola deserta dai :)

 spina
io si, al Troll's Pub vicino ad Asti. Una sera ho preso una sbronza tale di 
Montenegro che prima di uscire ho tirato via il barista e cacciato la testa 
sotto alla spina x bere a garganellazza.
Poi, avendo io la ciucca allegra (ma ipercasinara) volevo far rotolare un 
grosso bidone dell'immondizia fuori dal locale giù dalla scarpata, per 
vedere fin dove finiva, allora due amici si sono messi dietro per tenerlo, 
ma alla fine l'ho ribaltato lo stesso insieme a loro ed il bidone 
rovesciandosi si è aperto e uno dei due c'è finito dentro rotolando giù pure 
lui.
Poi mi hanno caricato sulla Ritmo cabrio nuova di uno dei due e ho riempito 
di vomito tutti i cassettini possibili delle portiere, prima di farmi 
coricare sul letto dei genitori dell'altro (previa copertura con un nylon).
Mi sono svegliato attorno a 1/2giorno, accorgendomi che era lunedi e che 
avrei dovuto essere al lavoro da 5 ore...
Che tempi   :°)
Hail
Lupo 

 Una sera ho preso una sbronza tale
Fammi sapere i locali che frequenti, così li evito :P
E poi i metallari NON si sbronzano, quella è roba da discoteca!!!
See you,
        Silver Drake
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 E poi i metallari NON si sbronzano, quella è roba da discoteca!!!
beh, il Troll's era all'epoca un pub _esclusivamente metal_ eppure ci si 
imbiavava alla grande  :-D
Hail
Lupo 

 io si, al Troll's Pub vicino ad Asti.
TROLL!
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Ray Alder IL BUFFO

 Grande album, altro che punticini :-)
sömëwhërë ïn tïmë? punticini a rudo!
bello bello, è uno dei miei preferiti :)
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"Per aspera ad astra"

 anni, ha acquistato qualche punticino.
Per i miei gusti si gioca il quarto posto con TNOTB. Sul podio, 
inarrivabili, Iron Maiden, Killers e Piece of Mind. ;-)
KB 

 imbiavava alla grande  :-D
Non posso che confermare.
Ora cos'è, una merda lounge o qualcosa di simile?
-- 
Pennywise

 Ora cos'è, una merda lounge o qualcosa di simile?
non ci vado da eoni, ma l'ultima volta era un disco pub poi convertito in 
una merda senza eguali, si credo una specie di lounge sperso nei i boschi 
tra cinghiali e trolls (appunto)
Hail
Lupo 

 anni, ha acquistato qualche punticino.
Non mi stanchero' mai di dire che SIT e' un disco da viaggio.
Da' il meglio di se' nei lunghi viaggi in auto.
ciao
gommapane
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"La mamma dice che non sei normale, normale chi e'?"

 Distance Runner e` da considerare blastbeat?)
(richiesto carattere a spaziatura fissa)
A blastbeat involves a fast, straight snare beat (8th notes at 180bpm or 
higher), often with a similar ride or hi-hat alternating alongside - or 
occuring with - it. The bass drum patterns vary, but the iron rule is a 
fast snare.
There were three main drummers who people claim started the blast - 
Charlie Benante, on SOD's "Milk", Kurt Bretcht on DRI's "Dirty Rotten 
LP", and Mick Harris on Napalm Death's "Scum". For the record, it's 
Charlie ("Speak English Or Die" came out 2 years before the others. Nuh!)
As for the methods of playing them, there are 2 main variants, the 
European way, and the American way.
There are tons of cool effects you can do to make all of these sound 
cooler:
You can:
- add another bass drum underneath either of these to create a double 
kick blast (as I will go into more detail later)...
- transpose any of these into 6/8 or 12/8 time, so there will be 3 snare 
notes per beat (or any other time signature for that matter)...
- experiment over different surfaces (a personal favourite of mine is 
to, instead of the snare and hats, use the toms and ride bell/china!)
- and cut the cymbal work in half (instead of doing 8th notes on the 
ride or hats, just do quarter notes instead).
Depending on which method you are using, the effect will be different. 
There are several drummers who have taken the format further by adding 
their own trademarks to the following templates. I will list those at 
the end. On with the show!
1. The European method, variants, and masters...
a) STANDARD VERSION - "GRIND BLAST" (Hats leading)
This is the version used by many a black metal and grindcore band. The 
classic European way involves alternating the hats and snare at 16th 
notes, with bass hits coinciding with the snare. It's basically a single 
stroke roll (RLRLRLRLRL etc) with your right hand on the hi hats or ride.
The bass drum can either be on the beat or off the beat, and you can 
always cut the footwork in half (some people stupidly call this the 
"cheat blast") by splitting it over both your feet with two bass drums 
when the tempo gets to 260+. It's good to do open handed also (the 
sticking would switch round).
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
bass- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 170-250 bpm (anything above that and there's very 
little audible difference between any other blast IMO, as the offbeat 
between the hats and snare is almost nonexistent.)
AS USED BY: Trym (Emperor), Hellhammer (Mayhem), Danny Herrara (Napalm 
Death), Nasum etc.
CLASSIC USE: Ye Entracepurium (Emperor)
b) ALTERED VERSION (Snare first)
You can switch your hands around too, so the snare is leading. This 
would be LRLRLRLRLR, and is a pretty good exercise for left hand work. I 
quite dig this one and use it a lot, it has the punchiness of the 
all-at-once American blast with the washy chaos of the European blast.
Again, you can put the bass drum on the offbeat, but then you're just 
doing the standard European version. And the footwork, again, can be 
split in half.
e.g.
hats- -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 190-260 bpm (anything below it sounds too slow and 
not 'manic' enough, anything too fast sounds like an American version 
done real sloppy).
AS USED BY: Well...no one comes to mind....maybe me!!!!
CLASSIC USE: My cool ass song that exists in my head.
c) DOUBLE KICK EUROPEAN BLAST BEATS - "BOMB BLASTS"
Basically, play the main version, and then add in your left foot so you 
are alternating your kicks and doing a double bass pattern. There is no 
way to "cheat" and cut your footwork in half if you're lazy...so be 
warned, this is a toughie.
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
bass1 x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass2 -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
You can't really hear the double kick effect though, unless you're well 
miked or have a nice click with your bass drums, as the snare tends to 
drown it out. But still, when done properly it works great. You can 
switch the hand work round too, of course, but that's quite close to a 
"Cannibal Blast" - more on that later.
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 180-260 bpm (this one works great transposed into 6/8.)
AS USED BY: No one really comes to mind.
CLASSIC USE: Again, some cool ass song that exists in my head.
2. The American method, variants, and masters...
a) STANDARD VERSION - "SUFFOCATION/HAMMER BLAST" - and the HYPERBLAST
As stated before - very simple - 8th note patterns on the hats, snare, 
and ride, all at once. Mainly used by death metal acts - and Charlie 
Benante, who brought this to life with the SOD classic "Milk" back in '85.
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
This method requires quite serious co-ordination. Pretty much all death 
metal drummers use this method at some points in their career, it's very 
impressive when done at the speed of the masters. If you're looking for 
an easy way to do this, do the European method, then synch your hands 
together so you're slamming both your hands straight down at the same time.
You can cut the footwork in half once the tempo reaches about 250+ - as 
this, to my mind, is the only blast that really works a treat upwards of 
260. This isn't one just for those with slow feet, if you have fast 
hands but can't hit the speed that you have with your hands on your feet 
to make a double kick blast - just do this. Upwards of 270bpm - and as 
fast as 340 bpm (!), the two
footed Suffocation blast magically becomes a HYPERBLAST, as most 
famously used by Flo Mounier.
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass1 x---x---x---x---
bass2 --x---x---x---x-
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 180-340 bpm. (Practice your singles to reach that 
kind of speed, it's worth it! But don't underestimate the power of doing 
this blast at minimum speed - the reason it got the label "Suffocation 
blast" is because Suffocation used it really slow - for the sole purpose 
of cranking up the intensity, and it worked. Brilliantly.)
AS USED BY: Doug Bahn (you guessed it...Suffocation), Flo Mounier 
(Cryptopsy), The Berzerker, and tons of other death metal bands.
CLASSIC USE: Too many to mention, but if I had to pick one, I'd go for 
Hate Eternal's "King Of All Kings". Searingly intense stuff.
b) OFFBEAT VERSION
A blastbeat that is used by Pete Sandoval almost exclusively, to gain 
the same kind of effect that you can get with the European blast - i.e. 
chaos - is to have the hats and snare hit simultaneously, and then a 
kick hit - so it's a "snare led blast":
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass  -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 200-270bpm (Sandoval transposes it into 6/8 on many 
songs, i.e. Rapture).
AS USED BY: Pete Sandoval (Morbid Angel).
CLASSIC USE: My personal favourite is "Heaving Earth".
c) DOUBLE KICK AMERICAN BLASTS - "CANNIBAL BLASTS"
Easily the most challenging blast - an utter bitch to do - you're 
slamming both your hands down simultaneously, whilst doing 16th double 
kicks. Work on your double kick and American blastbeat technique 
throughouly before combining this.
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass1 x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass2 -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 200-as fast as you can get it bpm (of course it's 
limited only by your kick speed really).
AS USED BY: Cannibal Corpse, Cryptopsy, Hate Eternal etc.
CLASSIC USE: Mithras - "Worlds Beyond The Veil". You probably haven't 
heard this song, but it's an instant hit in my eyes.
3. Other methods...
a) "NORTHERN HYPERBLAST"
Kataklysm have prided themselves on their blast technique. Simply a 16th 
note snare pattern with quarters on the hats and bass. Sounds like an 
utter jackhammer.
hats- x-------x-------
snare x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass- x-------x-------
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 130-160bpm.
AS USED BY: Kataklysm.
CLASSIC USE: Kataklysm - "In Shadows And Dust".
b) "KRISIUN BLAST"
The drummer from Krisiun borrowed an idea from the Kreator drummer, 
Ventor (who has 8th note ride, quarter note snare and triplet kicks to 
form his "Ventor Beat"), and in tranposing it into a blast situation, 
uses a modified version of the "Cannibal Blast". With simulataneous 
hands and ride, instead of straight 16ths on the kicks, he does 
triplets. This means you can blast at tempos you normally wouldn't be 
able to with 16ths, depending on your technique. (Unfortunately, because 
it's a 3 on 2 polyrhythm of sorts, I have no way of showing you this 
through here because I can't space everything out!)
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 220-300bpm (though I don't really care for this blast).
AS USED BY: Krisiun.
CLASSIC USE: The first track off "Works Of Carnage" is a good example (I 
forget the name, and though it's good, it's probably not the best either).
c) "GRAVITY BLAST"
In use by bands like Origin, and most recently, on Kataklysm's new 
material. Again, like the Cannibal Blast, but you're doing a ONE HANDED 
ROLL on the snare count! Utterly insane! So that's a 16th note snare and 
kick pattern over the top of each other!
e.g.
hats- x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
snare xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
bass1 x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
bass2 -x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-x-
RECOMMENDED TEMPO: 180-240bpm (good luck getting it fast as Longstreth!).
AS USED BY: Origin, Kataklysm etc.
CLASSIC USE: Kataklysm - Ambassador Of Pain (although it's a new tune, I 
think it works GREAT in the context of the song!)

Il Thu, 12 Feb 2009 10:24:34 +0100, "Magazzino"
<mag-S-P...@alba-M-M-A-P-S-barolo-fp.it> ha inopinatamente
scritto:
Giuro sono MORTO! Tu sei pazzo!!! :DDDD
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 Da' il meglio di se' nei lunghi viaggi in auto.
Concordo. E Dance Of Death con lui.
Daniele
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Never surrender dreams

 Da' il meglio di se' nei lunghi viaggi in auto.
concordo appieno

 Giuro sono MORTO! Tu sei pazzo!!! :DDDD
ma no, ero solo gggiovane   :)
Hail
Lupo 

 Concordo. E Dance Of Death con lui.
verissimo, soprattutto se alla fine del lungo viaggio lasci li il cd e torni 
a casa senza   :-DDD
Hail
Lupo