Newsgroup: it.arti.musica.metal
Titolo: Did Yes give birth to Iron Maiden?

"Harris has been influenced by other bass players such as Chris Squire
of Yes, John Deacon of Queen, Mike Rutherford of Genesis, Geddy Lee of
Rush, Andy Fraser of Free and John Mayall & the Bluesbreakers, Martin
Turner of Wishbone Ash, Geezer Butler of Black Sabbath, and John
Entwistle of The Who. One of his all-time favourite bass players was
Pete Way from UFO, who was said to influence Harris' playing style
greatly"
First on the list is Chris Squire. Not to mention that there are very
few rock bands in which the bassist plays LEAD bass. For example - Yes,
Who, Rush and Iron Maiden.
"Steve Harris is often considered among the best and most influential
heavy metal bassists. He frequently writes bass lines with a 'gallop',
a pattern consisting of three rapid notes - one eighth and two
sixteenths - which he plays with his first two fingers on his right
hand. Before playing, Harris often greases his fingers, to make such
'gallops' easier to play, as shown on the bonus DVD for the A Matter of
Life and Death album. Besides this he is very adventurous on the bass
and and plays intricate accompaniment in many of Maiden's songs. He
also uses power chords, which are relatively unheard of on bass, on
several songs. Harris has also stated that he never uses a pick and
that he never warms up before a show."
"Squire's bass playing is noted for being aggressive, dynamic, and
melodic. Squire's main instrument is a Rickenbacker 4001, which he has
owned and played since 1965; it was the fourth Rickenbacker 4001 ever
imported into Britain from the United States. This instrument, with its
warmth and distortion, is a significant part of Squire's unique sound
which is achieved by a technique known as 'bi-amping'. By splitting the
stereo signal from his bass (which divided the signal from the pickups
into dual high and low frequency outputs) and then sending the low
frequency output to a conventional bass amplifier and the
high-frequency output to a separate lead guitar amplifier, Squire
produced a tonal 'sandwich' that added a growling, overdriven edge to
the sound while retaining the Rickenbacker's powerful bass response.
Squire (who is self-taught) was also one of the first rock bass players
to successfully adapt electronic guitar effects such as tremolo,
phasing and the wah-wah pedal to the instrument."
So Chris Squire added electronic effects to his bass. Steve Harris...
not to be undone added synth to his bass too.
"In the album Somewhere in Time, Harris made his first experimentation
with synthesised sounds, playing the bass synth (later on the Seventh
Son of a Seventh Son album referred to as 'string synth'). He has also
done so on subsequent albums, although it has not featured as much as
it did on Somewhere in Time."
So did one of the most high regarded progressive rock band give birth
to one of the most highly regard heavy metal band of all time?
"Although Iron Maiden was a metal band influenced by Deep Purple, Led
Zeppelin, Black Sabbath, UFO, Yes, Wishbone Ash, Apocalypse, Queen and
Judas Priest, the earlier music had undoubted punk overtones."

 Judas Priest, the earlier music had undoubted punk overtones."
Queen, negli Iron Maiden? In particolare il basso barattolante di 
Deacon? Mi pare una forzatura clamorosa.
Niccolo'.

 Judas Priest, the earlier music had undoubted punk overtones."
Aggiungo: i "punk overtones" sono semplicemente una produzione da 
tremila lire. Come disse Goblin, con quei suoni pure gli Yes erano punk.
Niccolo'.

 Entwistle of The Who.
Mah, più che da tanti di quelli ci vedo Phil Lynott.. sicuramente più di 
Deacon, che non c'entra una sega nulla.
Pikkio 

 Deacon, che non c'entra una sega nulla.
Lui su tutti, infatti, poi ci aggiungerei Squire, Jones, Lee e Way.
Niccolo'.

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Anche perché aver cercato di dare un suono "troppo Queen" a Phantom of
the Opera (a causa di qualche sovraincisione della voce) fu uno dei motivi
per cui Dennis Stratton venne licenziato.
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 Judas Priest, the earlier music had undoubted punk overtones."
Di punk avevano solo qualcosa nel look di Paul Di'Anno. Chris Squire
invece è effettivamente e "ufficialmente" tra le più grandi influenze di
Steve. Ci vedo pochino di Led Zeppelin e Black Sabbath (per quel che li
conosco, che non è tanto, a dire il vero), almeno nei primi dischi.
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 conosco, che non è tanto, a dire il vero), almeno nei primi dischi.
Non c'e' una pippa nera, infatti. Si puo' sentire una certa
anticipazione ritmica del maidenismo in "Achilles last stand" degli
Zeppelin. Mentre su Thin Lizzy, Judas, Deep Purple, Rush per es. credo
si sia tutti d'accordo.
Niccolo'.

 Ma se si conciava come Rob Halford?!?
A sentire la band, nel periodo pre-esordio era più punkoso, forse si
riferiscono al fatto che era l'unico a tenere i capelli corti. Diceva
Steve che appena Paul si accorse che gli altri detestavano il punk si
diede un look più punk (non troppo, immagino, nei primi anni avevano il
licenziamento facile, anche se coi cantanti avevano più pazienza), poi
quando vide che uno stile da anni '70 gliene dava evidentemente di più
(dopo l'uscita di Stratton, immagino) iniziò coi camicioni (c'è una foto
bellissima di lui con un camicione da Duran Duran e i capelli che sembrano
usciti da un video dei Bon Jovi :D). In realtà c'era comunque poca
"sostanza" in quel senso, solo aspetto.
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 "sostanza" in quel senso, solo aspetto.
Ma certo. L'apparenza e' quel che conta.
Niccolo'.

 per cui Dennis Stratton venne licenziato.
Meno male che non c'e' riuscito ed e' pure stato licenziato, allora! :)
Niccolo'.

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Lui dice che voleva solo "aggiungere e non togliere" al suono, ma
effettivamente se penso alla parte centrale di Phantom con cori tipo
Prophet's Song mi preoccupo molto... Il fatto è che avendo qualche anno
in più ed essendo più esperto pensava di poter avere un ruolo un po'
troppo "largo", mi sa. Non si può dire che la storia gli abbia dato
ragione.
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Harris has long acknowledged his roots, and anyone who has ever heard a
Maiden album can hear Squire's influence.  Harris is always out front
in the live show when most bass players stand back with the drummer.
In fact, I have long contended that Iron Maiden's first record was the
start of the Prog-Metal genre, long before bands like Dream Theater and
Fates Warning came into play.
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 Fates Warning came into play.
Oh, well, I have to agree.
Songs like Transilvania, or Mariner are definitely prog. 
--
Io.


Maiden virtually invented prog metal with Phantom Of The Opera on their 
first album. And to date they have never bettered it. 

I have to disagree with that, but of course music's appeal is in the
eye of the beholder.  I think Back In The Village and Alexander The
Great are 2 of their best, and unfortunately for me they're 2 songs
they've NEVER played live.  Phantom is great, as is Murders In The Rue
Morgue, although I always preferred Dickinson's voice to DiAnno's.
That's probably why I'm parial to Dickinson-era songs.
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 they've NEVER played live.
Excuse me, I don't quite get it. Where does, in this specific case, the
link between playing a song live and its "progness-factor" lie?
--
Io.

 Deacon?
Veramente il basso di Harris E' barattolante:
clankete-clankete-clang-clang-bzzzzzclank!
Però difficilmente c'entra con Deacon.
--
Io.

 Però difficilmente c'entra con Deacon.
Intendevo "barattolante" in un altro senso, nel senso di senza tiro, un 
po' cosi', di castagnaccio. I colpi di Harris sono barattoli? Ok, ma 
pieni di tondini di ghisa! :)
Niccolo'.

I wasn't speaking of "progness", I was lamenting that there are no live
versions of my 2 favorite songs.
Uot Ai Cal The Virtual Odisei Trillogi, Cosmic Love Over De Border Of
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> clankete-clankete-clang-clang-bzzzzzclank!
si e' rotto anche l'ultimo ingranaggio sano del tuo cervello?
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 the earlier music had undoubted punk overtones."
Andava proprio messa la solita cazzata in fondo?
E poi non si capisce chi e' che parla, di chi sono le parti virgolettate e
in generale anche il resto.
Cmq la domanda in oggetto si presterebbe al classico giochino dei malintesi
continui tipo quelli che girarono tempo fa su Bush ahahahahah....
"Did Yes give birth etc.?
"Yes?"
"Yes."
"No."
"Yes."  And so on...:-D
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 versions of my 2 favorite songs.
It could be worse.
You could be a rabid Marillion fan still waiting to hear a live
performance of Just for the Record - or Jigsaw, for that matter :-)
--
Io.

 Mi pare una forzatura clamorosa.
Non mi stupisco piu' di nulla io ormai...anzi, sara' mica il "mitico" MM?
Quello che defini' i Queen come un misto di Black Sabbath e Deep Purple di
"In Rock"? :-DDD
O magari giec, con il suo "gli Iron al 90% sono i Thin Lizzy clonati"...
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 per cui Dennis Stratton venne licenziato.
Che notoriamente suonava il basso, e soprattutto e' nei credit di quel
pezzo...sisi.
Ma te le studi la notte queste uscite-cazzata che non c'entrano mai un cazzo
col discorso, o ti vengono davvero fuori spontaneamente?
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 Prophet's Song mi preoccupo molto...
Sono nettamente diversi, tutt'altra atmosfera e anche costruzione.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 lire. Come disse Goblin, con quei suoni pure gli Yes erano punk.
Che c'entrano i suoni piu' o meno fatti ben con lo stile?
I suoni, per quanto possano essere opposti (un disco totalmente schifoso e
uno allo stato dell'arte per dire) non cambiano certo mai da soli lo stile.
Non fare come quei metallini che non capiscono un cazzo e definiscono per
esempio il grind come "punk solo con piu' distorsione e piu' veloce" o cose
simili :-)
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 conosco, che non è tanto, a dire il vero),
Stai scherzando vero? E che aspetti? I Black Sabbath sono la base
imprescindibile di tutto quello di cui si puo' parlare qui, e anche dei LZ
almeno qualche disco tra gli storici primi 4 va sentito...fallo, invece di
stare a sparare cazzate a caso qui sopra.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

si sia tutti d'accordo.
si, d'accordo se si mette come ho detto io appena sopra, senno' no :-)
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

Niccolo' Carli ha scritto:
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Allora dovevi dire "legnoso".
"Barattolante" a me fa proprio pensare al suono di Harris.
Anche perchè i barattoli di solito sono di latta, non di castagnaccio.
--
Io.

 Great are 2 of their best,
i agree regard (o "for"? O altro? Boh....chissene...) the second one, but
for the first...i'm sorry but: ROTFL.
ps: X i "professori" di inglese: me ne fotto se ci sono degli errori, si 
capisce di sicuro quello che dicevo e questo a me basta.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 simili :-)
Era un'esagerazione per indicare le famose travi nell'occhio.
Niccolo'.

The Sentinel ha scritto:
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Questa è troppo bella per essere tua.
Infatti non lo è.
--
Io.

 versions of my 2 favorite songs.
Take my advice: leave him alone, he is a stupid troll.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 start of the Prog-Metal genre,
I havent heard the first two albums entirely... time for me to check
them out. But yes, Iron Maiden have traces of prog metal in most of
their albums during Dickinson era.
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 i agree regard (o "for"? O altro? Boh....chissene...)
Did you mean "retard"?
--
Io.

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Remember Tomorrow, Strange World. 

 Remember Tomorrow, Strange World.
?
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

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For a Sentinel you're not very sentient. 

"Bawscratcher" <bawbag@numpty> ha scritto nel messaggio 
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LOL
That is my new sign. T.U.
Pikkio 

 For a Sentinel you're not very sentient.
Explain.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 Explain.
Sentient is as sentient does.
Alan

AJasira ha scritto:
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PANGALCTIC ROTFLBLASTER 
--
Io.

 PANGALCTIC ROTFLBLASTER
Zaphod! Where have you been all this time?
;)
-- 
BVZM
NP -
http://spazlib.blogspot.com/

 Sentient is as sentient does.
Explain.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 Zaphod! Where have you been all this time?
There's no Zaphod.
There's only Gozer the Gozerian, Gozer the Destroyer.
I am the Keymaster. Are you the Gatekeeper?
--
Io.

 I am the Keymaster. Are you the Gatekeeper?
Gozer the Gozarian? Good evening. As a duly-designated representative
of the City, County and State of New York, I order you to cease any and
all supernatural activity and return forthwith to your place of origin
or to the next convenient parallel dimension. 
Daniele

Daniele Purrone ha scritto:
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Are you a dog?
--
Io.

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LOL
Pikkio 

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Every time you ask me to explain, further strengthens my original comment. 

 Every time you ask me to explain, further strengthens my original comment.
But maybe you miss a thing: a don't give a fuck of what you think or about 
your comments.
ps: learn to quote like a human being, and not like a goat.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

The Sentinel ha scritto:
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...and always eat your greens.
--
Io.

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That really hurts. Say hello to Moonwatcher for me. 

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O.K., here's the deal: you get our human being, and we get your goat.
Fair enough?
Alan

 Fair enough?
Ehmm...it's not _me_ who's unable to quote like a human being.
_You_ usually quote like a goat.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 That really hurts. Say hello to Moonwatcher for me.
Learn to quote.
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

AJasira ha scritto:
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Sounds like you are plain exploiting his retardness.
Bad, bad guy.
--
Io.

 wrote in message 
news:45672eb3$0$19243$4faf...@reader4.news.tin.it...
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Why quote? I'd rather be original. 

 Why quote? I'd rather be original.
"I hate misquotations", Ralph Waldo Emerson. 
Well, *maybe*.
--
Io.

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I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man!
Alan

Uot Ai Cal The Virtual Odisei Trillogi, Cosmic Love Over De Border Of
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Explain.
Alan

I'd rather be original.
LOL...
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Alessio "The Sentinel" 

 I am not an animal! I am a human being! I am a man!
LOL...relax...relax...
--
Alessio "The Sentinel"

 Explain.
Explain is as explain doe... ehr, chalk up another mark for
repetitiveness.
--
Io.


Would you like a cup of tea? The lord is my shepherd blah blah blah...... 

 Would you like a cup of tea? The lord is my shepherd blah blah blah......
...I shall not want
He makes me down to lie
Through pastures green he leadeth me the silent Waters by.
With bright knives he releaseth my soul.
He maketh me to hang on hooks in high places.
He converteth me to lamb cutlets,
For lo, he hath great power, and great hunger.
--
Io.

Uot Ai Cal The Virtual Odisei Trillogi, Cosmic Love Over De Border Of
Speis en Taim, No? ha scritto:
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(Aka "Il Signore è il mio pastore. E io sto alla pecorina".)
--
Io.

 For lo, he hath great power, and great hunger.
Revelations chapter 13 part 18. 

 Are you a dog?
Yes, I'm your little doggy! And I'm a rodent, too!!!
Daniele
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 my website: 
www.purrone.net
"We are the ones who will never be broken, we are the ones who survive!
 This is the sound that brings us together, you are the one by our side!
 And through it all, the spirit's alive!" (Dropkick Murphys)

Yes, I'm your little doggy! And I'm a rodent, too!!!
ROTFL
-- 
   Speedwagon

 Yes, I'm your little doggy! And I'm a rodent, too!!!
Then... GNAAAAAW!!!
--
Io.