Newsgroup: it.arti.musica.metal
Titolo: Muse Singer Says 9/11 was set up by the US government

October 17  2006
Muse frontman Matt Bellamy has been elevated to the level of conspiracy
theorist, claiming the 9/11 attacks were possibly orchestrated by the
U.S. government.
Bellamy is a supporter of the claim that 9/11 was set up, or at the
very least allowed to happen, to give the U.S. a Pearl Harbour-type
excuse to invade Iraq.
He said, "September 11 is clearly an inside job, there's massive
evidence that suggests that it was either allowed to happen or even
worse, deliberately made to happen.
"There was a document called 'Project For The New America Century'
which was made by neo-Con writers in the '90s who supplied most of
the agenda that Bush is putting into place now, which clearly says, 'We
need a Pearl Harbor-level of event so we can have an excuse to invade
the Middle East'."
He went on the claim that expects to now be monitored by the FBI,
saying, "With the world we live in I think with the books I've
ordered off Amazon I'll already be on lists."

 U.S. government.
=D Well, I don't see much nonsense in his words. It's not as if not a
fshing huge lot of people suspect the same. No clue how it is in the
U.S., but conspirational theories of all sizes and flavours, the mere
allowance of things to happen surely being the most favourite, fly
around here all the time someone speaks of it.

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I don't know who Matt Bellamy is, but he's hardly the first person to be 
saying this.  I've been hearing this for months.  I think the first 
person to say it was Jimmy Hoffa.
becca
-- 
"you dumb fucking idealist." -NavyKurt

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So, Muse - are they goths, punks or skinheads?

 the Middle East'."
The thing is the twin towers was not a "Pearl Harbour level event", it
was way above and beyond that.  All told Pearl Harbour did considerably
less long term damage to the US.
Ghost

 fair amount of the former, it has a total overabundance of the latter.
This is my take on it. The Chimp administration is so damned inept that, 
whether they planned it or not, something like 9/11 WAS going to occur 
eventually. It was inevitable. And that's one of the things I point to 
when I express my opinion that they didn't set it up themselves. I don't 
think they can plan well enough to pull off a covert operation of that 
magnitude.

 U.S. government.
Oh good fucking God, is that still going around?  People were asking me
shit like this at last year's Whitby.  Conspiracy theorists operate on
the assumption that the press and media is in the government's pockets
when that is completely not the case.  Nothing of this magnitude could
ever happen without coming out.  As I think Mark Twain said, "Three
people can keep a secret if two of them are dead," and something like
this would require a hell of a lot more than 3 people.
The press would have loved to find a connection between the government
and 9/11.  If the press can find out the President is getting a blowjob
or a Congressman is texting a page naughty messages, then what are the
odds that something this big would be kept under wraps without some
secretary, some assistant, some Air Force colonel coming forward?  Also
if you are going to think the worst of the government, then you have to
think the worst of the government.  Do you think the government can
pull of 9/11 without anyone finding out, but can't get proper body
armor to our troops in Iraq?
And the governement knows this.  Shit eventually gets out and if a
conspiracy like this was discovered the backlash would be enourmous.
And the press would climb over each other to discover a story like
this.  Every journalist envisions themselves as the next Woodward
and/or Bernstein so something like this would be the holy grail for
them.
Think the US government and intelligence agencies dropped the ball on
9/11, that is a reasonable argument, but this is just wanting to think
the worst with no rational basis.
Ever and Always
Edvamp
www.insidecx.com

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I'd say fairly prog-rock actually, pretty much irrellavant to this
group anyway.
--
Lucifer, EAC Librarian of Dark Tomes of Excessive Evil and General
Purpose Igor
The Anti-Theist
"Don't worry, I won't bite.......hard"

Far too much sense to quote it all.
Very well put. That's the problem with conspiracy nuts, they assume a
level of competence on the part of the government that is demonstrably
lacking and a level of incompetence on the part of the press that is
equally unrealistic.
Still, never let the facts get in the way  of a "good" (by which I mean
shit) conspiracy hypothesis.
Ghost

> So, Muse - are they goths, punks or skinheads?
No, no, and no.  They started out as Radiohead rip-offs, only they
rocked it a little harder.  However, their latest single sounds like
Radiohead meets the worst of Rush.  Weird.
Blessed be,
:) Michael
www.DeadSeaSouls.net

 magnitude.
You make a really good point here.  They obviously wanted to take
control of Iraq so that they're oil company buddies could get fat
contracts rebuilding the oil infrastructure and drilling for more.  Yet
they planned for the best case scenario rather than planning for the
worst and hoping for the best.  The Boyscouts could have done a better
job of planning that invasion.  Now their oil buddies can't fulfill
their contracts and get paid on them because there's no security there.
 So how could they really be competent enough to plan 9/11 and keep it
under wraps?
Unless, of course, it was always part of the plan to foment a civil war
in Iraq so that the U.S. could have a permanent military presence
there.  Maybe it had more to do with doing the war industry a favor
than doing the oil companies any favors.  That may be why they gave the
oil companies a huge tax break during profitable times, when we're
nearly bankrupt.
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 them.
You really have that much faith in the competence or integrity of
America's press?  You saw how they gave Shrub a free ride in the lead
up to his 1st election!  America's press is owned by the same corporate
fat cats that corrupt our government w/ campaign contributions.  There
are very few investigative journalists out there.  There are only
muckrakers and people getting by on the info that is fed to them.  All
the news outlets carry the same stories with the same quotes, and all
the interviews ask the same stupid questions.  The press runs every sex
scandal because sex sells.  Sex is something that people always want to
hear about, but the sheeple don't want to hear things that contradict
their comfortable beliefs.
You've bought the lie that the government has sold you.  They want you
to think they're incompetent because then you won't believe that
they're evil.  They also want you to think that the media in this
country is "liberal".
Do yourself a favor.  Rent the documentary, "TerrorStorm".  It is
enlightening to say the least.  I'm not saying I believe every
supposition, but there are some facts presented there that will make
you question your beliefs, and that's always a healthy thing.
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Yeah,there are some things that we could ask to that people who told us
that some terrorist with "knives" had used four planes to attack
america... Im rolling on the floor laughing..
The questions:
1st) Why a member of the C.D.A. of the Unocal, an US Oil Industry that
is creating a huge pipeline to transfer oil from caspian sea to
mediterranean sea, is the president of Afghanistan? It's sure that the
taliban government didn't approve that plan...
2nd) Why,the three biggest base in afghanistan are placed directly on
the line where the pipeline is under construction?
3rd)  Why the pentagon doesn't want to release the video of alla
security cameras in the pentagon area,that surely have recorded the
"plane" that fell on it,but release 5 ridicolus frames where you can
only see an explosion?
4th) Why,if in the WTC were stocked 163 Billion dollar of Gold,and they
retrievd only 200 Million? And the rest?
5th) It can been explained the collapse of the two towers,because the
"plum cake" effect can only be true with the floor of the tower,but
absolutely impossible foe the core of that building. Why,if we consider
true this theory, it collapsed in less then ten seconds? In nature,it's
impossible.
We can carry on,but i want to stop here,because there are too many
"strange" events to consider true the report of 9/11 commission. The
results for that "attack" is in front of all of us: they reduced
freedom and increment controlling the people; Or as we can see now,the
use it for all inhuman action they made,like tortures in Guantanamo and
Abu Grahib...
We cannot stay here and listen to them,that probably are the real
terrorist, all around the world.
-- 
Ray Alder IL BUFFO

 country is "liberal".
I do agree about the whole 'liberal' vs 'conservative' media bias.  If
you are very liberal then the media will appear conservative to you,
and vice versa.
But keep in mind that there is no single entity called 'the government'
that acts with a single minded purpose.  The US Federal govt is
comprised of 2.7 million civilian (non-military) employees.  695,000 of
them work in National Defense/International relations.  44,000 are in
air transportation.  An interesting fact is the largest group is the
USPS at 778,000 people, outnumbering Homeland Security by over 4 to 1,
so if they ever do decide to go postal as a group, we're pretty fucked.
Now keep in mind that these people are spread across the two main
parties and myriads of smaller parties.  So, for the most part they
don't like each other and couldn't agree on pizza toppings, let alone
working together on anything important or risky.  So out of all those
people not one has been able to come forward with a document or tape
recording or meeting notes or anything solid supporting the 9/11
theories?
And, for the record, I am not a particularly patriotic person.  I stay
in on the 4th of July, I stay home on Veterans day and I don't vote.
More often then not the government and the country provide a source of
embarrassment, because I know how greate it could be (I mean both
Jackass movies were at one point each the #1 movie in the country for
crissakes).  But with all this even I have a hard time accepting many
of these theories.
In the immortal words of Lewis Black, "If it weren't for my horse, I
wouldn't have spent that year in college."
Off to Whitby.
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