Newsgroup: it.arti.musica.rock
Titolo: accadde in usa nei 90s [lungo]

Attenzione, questa non e' la lista dei gruppi 'post-rock'.
Visto che c'era una richiesta di approfondimento, ho scritto 'sta raccolta
di materiale prodotto da IAMR su gruppi o artisti americani degli anni '90
(o giu' di li') che la stampa ha inserito in quell'etichetta inesistente.
Oltre alla solita messe di gruppi totalmente inclassificabili, ne ho inclusi
molti che possono essere definiti come ultimi sviluppatori di ambiti piu'
definibili: l'hardcore, il noise, l'emo (e poi buttati a torto nel
calderone). Questo non a caso, visto che parliamo di USA e i 'postrockers' a
stelle e strisce sono spesso figli di questi generi musicali. Escludo tutti
i gruppi a influenza fortemente
psico-folk-progressiva (il postrock 'accordig to morris',  insomma). Ho
inserito dei link (diretti a google o al sito ufficiale del ng) che
rimandano ai testi prodotti da IAMR. Mi saro' dimenticato sicuramente di
molti, quindi aspetto integrazioni (e link inclusi, eh?). Moltissimi dei
nomi citati non hanno nessun link, questo significa che nelle mie ricerche
non ho trovato nessun commento che andasse oltre le due righe. Fatene cio'
che volete di questo papirone, 'nsomma, puo' essere un punto di partenza per
scartabellare google
e non solo su tutti questi gruppi misteriosi.
aerial m/ papa m
http://www.mmax.org/iamr/rece/aerial.html
a minor forest
bastro
billy mahonie
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blind idiot god
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brise glace
cheer accident
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cheval de frise
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cul de sac
dazzling killmen
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don caballero
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early day miners
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gastr del sol
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gorge trio
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david grubbs
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joan of arc
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june of '44
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labradford
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laddio bolocko
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tara jane o' neill
jim o' rourke
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paul newman
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pele
polvo
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rachel's
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red stars theory
rodan
rome
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the sea & the cake
33.3
shellac
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shipping news
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sicbay
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squirrel bait
slint
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storm & stress
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sweep the leg johnny
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tortoise
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trans am
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ui
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us maple
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windsor for the derby
yona-kit
you fantastic!
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--
Zapru.

 psico-folk-progressiva (il postrock 'accordig to morris',  insomma).
Bravo, ragazzo, bel lavoro...
Allora perché hai incluso Early Day Miners, Joan Of Arc, Tara Jane O'Neil,
Rachel's? ;-)
Cmq sei fuori strada: la mia idea di post-rock è ben diversa da quella che tu
chiami "parentela psico-folk-progressiva"...
--
BonnyPrinceMorris
http://www.sentireascoltare.com
-Rock & critica-

 chiami "parentela psico-folk-progressiva"...
ah, lo so. Ti stuzzico, cosi' mi fai le pulci.
--
Zapru.

 ah, lo so. Ti stuzzico, cosi' mi fai le pulci.
Non posso che ringraziare anche te, ma a leggervi capisco che la querelle
deve essere stata complessa.
Ma proprio non č possibile buttare giů un paio di definizioni sintetiche di
poche righe?
C'č riuscito Kant con l'Imperativo Categorico e non ci riuscite voi?
;-))
Ciao
Al-Farid

 palace brothers o smog, ad esempio (e infatti QUESTI non li ho messi).
E infatti mai nessuno si è sognato di includerli nel calderone post-rocche.
Nemmeno io. ;-)


 post-rocche. Nemmeno io. ;-)
Qualche pazzo l'ha fatto, ti assicuro.
Visto che il postrocco non esiste (su questo c'e' accordo tra tutti ormai da
tempo), potresti partire da una bella definizione del post-shoegaze di cui
parlavi prima, visto che ti piace parecchio. E' una categorizzazione non da
buttare IMHO, ci delimiti una bella fetta di campo. Tenendo conto che Ettore
parte dal gradimento per i sigur ros inoltre potresti facilitargli il
compito di esplorazione dei loro ambiti piu' prossimi.
--
Zapru.