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[00:13] <Keybuk> vuntz: of course, I can't take a screenshot |
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[00:13] <Keybuk> if I go to an empty viewport, and click it, I get all my apps |
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[00:14] <Keybuk> if I click it again, I get only 3 |
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[00:17] <vuntz> weird |
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[00:17] * vuntz wonders if there's another wm using viewport |
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[00:18] <vuntz> sawfish, maybe |
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[00:18] <vuntz> or maybe compiz does work on my laptop now... |
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[06:33] <Hobbsee> ubotu: part |
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[06:33] <Hobbsee> (george is already in here, and i don't have access) |
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[06:36] <Amaranth> George: test |
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[06:37] <Hobbsee> !help |
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[06:37] <George> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots |
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[06:37] <Hobbsee> works |
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[06:37] <Amaranth> Hobbsee: I could just ban George :P |
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[06:37] <Amaranth> bug 67834 |
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[06:38] <George> Launchpad bug 67834 in kdebase "add an option to disable the system bell system-wide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67834 |
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[06:38] <Amaranth> then again... |
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[06:38] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: if you like. both do it. |
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[06:38] <Hobbsee> Amaranth: this ubotu doesn't work with !info basket, etc, though. |
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[06:38] <Hobbsee> although it'll tell you if something isn't in ubuntu |
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[06:38] <Amaranth> nah, this seems to work for the only thing it ever gets used for |
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[06:38] <Amaranth> bug 49346 |
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[06:38] <George> Launchpad bug 49346 in metacity "Gnome mistakes window closing confirmation as frozen programme. (dup-of: 29584)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49346 |
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[06:39] <George> Launchpad bug 29584 in metacity "False reports of "Window not responding" error" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29584 |
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[06:40] <Hobbsee> George: bug #172300 |
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[06:40] <George> Launchpad bug 172300 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Unable to boot 7.10 on abit ib9 due to ata xfermode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172300 |
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[06:51] <dholbach> good morning |
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[06:56] <Amaranth> @schedule |
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[06:56] <George> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU |
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[08:46] <seb128> hey hey hey mvo gicmo |
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[08:48] <seb128> gicmo: your nautilus-cd-burner changes work correctly ;-) |
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[08:48] <mvo> hey seb128! |
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[08:49] <gicmo> seb128: cool, totally strange that they left that call in there, could you attach the patch to the bug? |
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[08:49] <seb128> gicmo: sure |
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[08:49] <seb128> gicmo: I manage to lock nautilus apparently though |
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[08:50] <gicmo> oh |
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[08:50] <seb128> gicmo: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/5860/ looks like a locked situation? |
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[08:50] <seb128> gicmo: I tried to open several folder etc on the sftp location while I was disconnect |
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[08:50] <seb128> that didn't block nautilus which is good ;-) |
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[08:51] <seb128> but when I reconnected it did the actions queued apparently |
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[08:52] <seb128> DOH |
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[08:52] <seb128> don't keep fingers on ctrl-alt to switch workspace after typing |
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[08:52] <seb128> or don't delete a char while you are doing so rather ;-) |
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[08:52] <gicmo> hehe |
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[08:53] <gicmo> looks like its blockin in dbus |
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[08:53] <seb128> anyway, after being connected again it opened several directories on which ones I clicked during the disconnect time |
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[08:53] <seb128> and then got greyed (ie, the compiz way to tell you the app is not responding) |
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[08:54] <lool> seb128: was happening to me all the time; I decided to add DontZap to my config when I was tired of losing my work :) |
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[08:54] <seb128> lool: we should do that by default ;-) |
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[08:54] <lool> I proposed that a while back! |
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[08:55] <lool> But I was told many users kill their session in this way, especially when it's hung |
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[08:55] <seb128> which is true |
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[08:56] <seb128> we got quite some complain because gdm was not coming back properly after ctrl-alt-del in some cycle |
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[08:56] <gicmo> seb128: hmm tricky |
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[08:57] <seb128> gicmo: don't bother too much with this one, that was just in case there was something obvious there |
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[08:58] <gicmo> k |
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[09:02] <huats> morning everyone |
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[09:02] <huats> :) |
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[09:03] <crevette> heu huats |
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[09:08] <huats> hello crevette mvo and of course seb128 |
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[09:08] <huats> :) |
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[09:08] <mvo> hey huats |
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[09:08] <seb128> lut huats |
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[09:14] <pitti> kwwii: I just noticed that with the new gdm theme the "incorrect password blabla" line is partially covered by the input line; it should be somewhere else |
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[09:14] <pitti> kwwii: is this on your radar already or shall I file a bug? |
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[09:14] <seb128> pitti: there is several duplicates from this one already |
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[09:14] <seb128> I'm going to kick the next user bugging gdm about it |
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[09:14] <seb128> ;-) |
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[09:14] <kwwii> pitti: there is already a bug on that (and I will fix it) |
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[09:14] * pitti shuts up |
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[09:14] <pitti> kwwii: danke |
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[09:14] * pitti hugs seb128 |
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[09:15] * seb128 hugs pitti |
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[09:15] <kwwii> I'll have the tweaked package ready a bit later :-) |
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[09:15] <seb128> that's annoying, they all send bugs on gdm |
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[09:15] * pitti currently tests pretty much everything in the live system |
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[09:15] <seb128> pitti: how buggy is it? |
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[09:15] <pitti> pretty good actually |
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[09:15] <pitti> PK works again, all apps that I tested so far work |
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[09:15] <seb128> cool |
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[09:16] <pitti> bug 203612 is a bit nasty |
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[09:16] <pitti> but just cosmetic, too |
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[09:16] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 203612 in displayconfig-gtk "Screens & Graphics menu item in wrong section" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203612 |
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[09:16] <pitti> all in all we are in a pretty good shape |
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[09:16] <seb128> pitti: I though it had been removed from the menus? |
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[09:16] <pitti> (this can't be right, it's too good....) |
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[09:16] <pitti> removed entirely? why should it? |
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[09:17] <pitti> it's my live saver to get a correct resolution, and I guess for many other people, too? |
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[09:17] <pitti> System -> Administration is a good place for it? |
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[09:17] <Amaranth> oh, i thought Screens&Graphics went away |
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[09:17] <seb128> pitti: |
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[09:17] <seb128> displayconfig-gtk (0.3.8ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low |
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[09:17] <seb128> . |
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[09:17] <seb128> * Disable displayconfig-gtk in menus (replaced by Screen Resolution tool) |
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[09:18] * pitti wonders WTH a "802.1X protected wired network" is |
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[09:18] <pitti> asac: ^ current network-manager |
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[09:18] <seb128> pitti: bryce argued that it's too buggy and not useful now that we have the xrandr 1.2 capplet |
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[09:18] <Amaranth> yeah, since it's really only needed for bulletproofx |
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[09:18] <pitti> but if X misdetects the resolution, xrand doesn't help at all |
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[09:18] <Amaranth> the xrandr 1.2 thing doesn't work for nvidia but then again screens & graphics doesn't do the right thing for nvidia either :) |
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[09:18] <pitti> (e. g. vmware only has 800x600 due to a bug in X.org somewhere) |
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[09:19] <seb128> Amaranth: bryce wants to use the nvidia tool for those |
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[09:19] <pitti> well, either way, it shouldn't be in Apps -> Other |
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[09:19] <seb128> pitti: well, iz xorg bug |
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[09:19] <Amaranth> yeah, nvidia-settings is better :) |
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[09:19] <seb128> no it shouldn't |
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[09:19] <pitti> seb128: right; but even if this particular one is fixed, we'll always have some |
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[09:20] <pitti> "cannot fix detected screen resolution" is the top #1 complaint from the people around me why they did not install Ubuntu permanently |
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[09:20] <pitti> granted, it got much better in hardy |
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[09:21] <pitti> seb128: ah, and tomboy crashes |
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[09:21] <pitti> (when trying to quit it) |
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[09:22] <pitti> and the tracker search tool doesn't allow me to enable tracker |
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[09:22] <seb128> pitti: you should enable it from system, preferences, indexing |
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[09:22] <seb128> pitti: well, I'm not the one to argue with, but I really don't like this displaygtk-config |
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[09:22] <seb128> I had bad comments about it and I think it's quite buggy |
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[09:23] <pitti> I tend to agree |
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[09:26] <pitti> seb128: hm, System Tools -> Hardware Testing... I don't think we want that there either ,right? |
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[09:26] <pitti> System -> Administration, for all users? |
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[09:27] <seb128> pitti: yeah, cr3 mailed me about that yesterday |
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[09:27] <seb128> pitti: I'm not sure to be honest |
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[09:27] <seb128> pitti: I'm pondering moving things back to applications, system tools |
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[09:27] <seb128> system, preferences has too many items now |
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[09:28] <pitti> hm, but they mostly fit well into the idea of "system administration" IMHO |
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[09:28] <pitti> hwtest doesn't, right |
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[09:28] <seb128> and vmware, virt, etc install items in applications, system tools |
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[09:28] <seb128> which means you quickly get this submenu back when installing softwares anyway |
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[09:28] <pitti> right, gnome-device-manager is, too (universe, though) |
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[09:29] <pitti> it just looks a bit weird to have just one entry in the menu |
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[09:29] <pitti> but *shrug* |
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[09:29] <pitti> seb128: as long as it has been discussed, I'm fine |
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[09:29] <pitti> just want to make sure it's not an oversight |
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[09:29] * pitti hugs seb128 |
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[09:30] <seb128> pitti: I didn't reply to cr3, but we will not let one item there |
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[09:31] <seb128> either we move back things which were there |
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[09:31] <seb128> ie, gnome-system-monitor |
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[09:31] <seb128> or we move the hardware testing somewhere else |
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[09:31] <seb128> not sure what is the best yet |
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[09:31] <seb128> I'll likely put that on the desktop team meeting agenda |
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[09:34] <pitti> oh, system monitor is a great idea |
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[09:34] * pitti doesn't even find that in the menu |
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[09:34] <pitti> it's applet-only ATM? |
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[09:35] <pitti> wow, we have a "Network Manager Editor" now |
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[09:36] <pitti> . o O { that doesn't really belong into the main menu IMHO; would be better in right-click nm-applet menu } |
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[09:36] <pitti> seems I'm in a nitpicking mood today |
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[09:46] <asac> pitti: i have seen some discussion about that |
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[09:47] <asac> but i don't have any details |
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[09:47] <asac> will try to look it up when i have some time |
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[09:47] <Amaranth> pitti: can you make jockey set UseCompositeWrapper for nvidia too? |
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[09:47] * Amaranth should really file a bug :) |
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[09:48] <pitti> Amaranth: sure, but please file a bug and give some explanations |
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[09:48] <pitti> Amaranth: will that cause any regressions for other hardware or performance? |
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[09:49] <Amaranth> it might be a performance hit but it just makes the nvidia driver use something from the X server (that i'm guessing other drivers use) instead of doing stuff by itself |
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[09:49] <Amaranth> apparently Qt apps are basically unusable with the driver we have if you don't enable this |
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[09:50] <Amaranth> with compiz, i mean |
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[10:14] <Keybuk> pitti: it is in the right-click NM menu, isn't it? |
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[10:14] <pitti> Keybuk: oh, indeed it is |
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[10:15] <pitti> so why is it repeated in the menu? |
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[10:15] <seb128> because right click is not discoverable |
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[10:16] <seb128> but I agree on this one, it should not be in the menu |
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[10:17] <Keybuk> the fact that NM has both left and right click menus is, of course, a different issue |
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[10:17] <Keybuk> (and an idiotic one) |
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[10:17] <pitti> . o O { session startup in a fresh vmware installation is delightfully fast again! } |
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[10:18] <pitti> asac: what is a 802.1X protected wired network? Can we change that string to something mere mortals can understand? |
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[10:18] <asac> pitti: huh? didn't you get my answer or did i forget to hit enter? ... i currently have no idea what it is. i just rememberd that someone was happy that it worked now on NM list |
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[10:19] <asac> where do you read that string? |
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[10:19] <pitti> asac: ah, there; sorry |
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[10:19] <pitti> asac: left click on nm-applet |
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[10:19] <pitti> seb128: ah, recently you were asking me about floppy, right? |
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[10:20] <asac> i dont see anything there right now. guess have to remove my entry from eni. will do so after a short breakfast |
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[10:20] <pitti> seb128: it just occurred to me that in vmware I can have a fake floppy, and I indeed get that "invalid hal function signature yadayada" error when I select it in the places menu |
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[10:20] <seb128> pitti: yes, I would like to know if those are working in nautilus now |
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[10:20] <seb128> pitti: and using the computer location? |
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[10:20] <seb128> pitti: that's weird because the method is available now |
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[10:20] <pitti> seb128: there it correctly says "no media in the driver" |
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[10:21] <pitti> s/driver/drive/ |
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[10:21] <seb128> hum |
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[10:21] <seb128> would be interesting to try with a floppy in the drive |
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[10:21] <seb128> to see if it gets mounted |
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[10:22] <asac> pitti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.1x ... so its authenticated wired apparently (like one could guess) |
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[10:23] <asac> now breakfast |
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[10:25] <Amaranth> so no one can sniff your wired connection? |
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[10:25] <pitti> seb128: let me find/download a floppy image |
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[10:25] <seb128> pitti: thanks |
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[10:26] <pitti> hm, that vmware isntance does not have a floppy... |
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[10:26] * pitti shuts down and adds one |
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[10:27] <slomo_> seb128: ah, please sync banshee 0.13.2+dfsg-8 from debian :) adds mtp and gnome-settings-daemon 2.22 support |
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[10:27] <slomo_> seb128: and last-exit 5-2 |
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[10:27] <seb128> pitti: is that ok to do universe syncs now? |
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[10:28] <pitti> seb128: sure |
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[10:28] <pitti> seb128: ah, convenient: vmware offers me to create an empty floppy image :) |
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[10:28] <seb128> ah, cool |
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[10:36] <pitti> seb128: hmmm |
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[10:36] <pitti> so I created and mformat'ed the floppy |
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[10:36] <pitti> and mount /media/floppy works (standard fstab entry) |
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[10:37] <pitti> but computer place still says 'no media' and places menu has that weird hal signature error |
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[10:37] <seb128> ok, so it's still buggy |
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[10:37] <pitti> gnome-mount -vbd /dev/fd0 works at least |
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[10:39] <pitti> same result when I remove the fstab entry |
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[10:41] <pitti> seb128: hm, seems to be pretty much bug 188256 for floppies |
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[10:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188256 in nautilus "empty CD-ROM Drive doesn't do anything when clicked" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188256 |
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[10:42] <seb128> pitti: right |
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[10:42] <pitti> it's mentioned in the second-last comment |
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[10:42] <seb128> pitti: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/197954 too |
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[10:42] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 197954 in gvfs "Hardy: Unable to scan Floppy Drive for media changes" [Low,Triaged] |
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[10:43] <seb128> pitti: once the floppy mounted you can browse it though? |
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[10:44] <pitti> when I use gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0, then the Places menu gets a secodn icon "disk" with a floppy icon (in addition to "Floppy drive") |
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[10:44] <pitti> same in the computer place |
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[10:44] <pitti> the disk icon opens nautilus with the floppy contents |
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[10:45] <pitti> floppy drive icon continues to be broken |
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[11:16] <slomo_> seb128: oh, and after freeze you can merge glib and sync gvfs please ;) |
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[11:17] <seb128> slomo_: glib is not buggy then? you told me yesterday to wait |
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[11:17] <lapo> ciao |
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[11:17] <slomo_> seb128: the bug was somewhere else as expected but i just wanted to be sure :) (n-m had memory corruption, causing a segfault in a glib function) |
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[11:18] <slomo_> seb128: also all those patches are upstream now (or will later today) |
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[11:18] <seb128> slomo_: alright |
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[11:18] <seb128> slomo_: what patches? |
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[11:18] <seb128> slomo_: I did send the gio nfs one upstream today |
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[11:18] <slomo_> seb128: the nfs4 patch? |
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[11:18] <seb128> yes |
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[11:18] <slomo_> ok, none of the others? :) |
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[11:18] <slomo_> i meant 80_static-mutex-aliasing-warnings.patch and 81_c99-inline-warnings.patch |
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[11:18] <seb128> I've enough to carry zillion of changes because Josselin doesn't bother sending what he does upstream |
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[11:19] <seb128> slomo_: no, I was going to look at the other later but if you do it that's good ;-) |
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[11:20] <slomo_> ok ;) |
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[11:20] <seb128> slomo_: btw did you port the single click patch for nautilus to the new version? |
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[11:20] <slomo_> i dropped it iirc |
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[11:21] <seb128> ok, cool |
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[11:21] <seb128> because it's creating issues |
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[11:21] <slomo_> seb128: how was the file called? :) |
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[11:22] <seb128> slomo_: 05_places-sidebar_single-click.patch |
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[11:22] <slomo_> oh, that is still applied (and didn't need porting) |
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[11:22] <slomo_> sorry |
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[11:23] <slomo_> what issues does it create? |
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[11:23] <seb128> slomo_: bug #189110 |
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[11:23] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 189110 in nautilus "nautilus erroneous error message opening Samba share - can't display Samba drive" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189110 |
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[11:23] <seb128> slomo_: and right clicking on a location to copy things for example makes it switch to the location |
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[11:24] <slomo_> ok, thanks... will take a closer look at the patch and disable for next upload unless it's possible to fix it easily; ) |
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[11:24] <seb128> thanks |
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[11:26] <slomo_> i hate all these patches :) |
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[11:26] <seb128> me too |
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[11:27] <seb128> we should really profite of alex being active to get things upstream or drop the distro changes if they are not appropriates |
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[11:28] <slomo_> yes, just needs someone to do it... most nautilus patches were in bugzilla though |
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[11:30] <seb128> alex doesn't use bugzilla a lot, too much things there |
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[11:30] <seb128> better to ask him on IRC or use the nautilus list |
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[11:33] <slomo_> yes, that's my plan |
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[11:33] <slomo_> :) |
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[11:33] <slomo_> seb128: apart from that he will have much less time for such things starting in 10 days (i thought you got the mail too?) |
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[11:34] <seb128> slomo_: yes |
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[11:34] <seb128> slomo_: that's why we should try to get changes upstream now ;-) |
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[11:35] <slomo_> seb128: yes, later... need to get some food now and then i'll do it :P |
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[11:35] <Amaranth> what happens in 10 days? |
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[11:36] <seb128> Amaranth: alex goes on paternity leaves for some months |
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[11:36] <Amaranth> ah |
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[11:36] <Amaranth> i thought that was a couple months ago |
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[11:46] <slomo_> seb128: any reason why you didn't commit the nfs4 patch yet? :) |
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[11:47] <seb128> slomo_: I'm not a glib maintainer and nobody approved it yet |
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[11:48] <slomo_> seb128: can't alex approve at least gio related things? well, someone will probably look at it and if not i'll ask mclassen later when i've all patches prepared ;) |
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[11:49] <seb128> slomo_: alex read the gio bug mails and approve patches usually, I just don't want to bother him every 15 minutes on IRC, I'll let him deal with the bug when he wants rather, there is no hurry ;-) |
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[12:18] <seb128> lool: did you get the cheese update uploaded? |
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[12:20] <lool> seb128: It was incomplete |
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[12:20] <lool> seb128: missing b-deps bumps and changelog information |
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[12:21] <lool> seb128: I can easily complete the update in some minutes if you need it at any time |
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[12:21] <pedro_> slomo_: hello, have you seen this bug 199496 ? |
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[12:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 199496 in tomboy "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496 |
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[12:21] <seb128> lool: I don't really need it, but would be nice to have the GNOME 2.22 version |
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[12:22] <seb128> lool: I was just wondering because you said it would be uploaded by tuesday |
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[12:22] <slomo_> pedro_: known gtk# or mono bug |
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[12:23] <slomo_> pedro_: assuming it happened when exiting tomboy |
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[12:23] <pedro_> yes same one |
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[12:23] <slomo_> no fix known yet but it's nothing to worry about too much |
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[12:23] <slomo_> just annoying because of apport ;) |
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[12:23] <pedro_> hehe ok, thanks |
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[12:23] <lool> seb128: I said we should set the deadline to tuesday, but then I backed up when I recalled about the freeze |
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[12:24] <lool> seb128: To be clear: set the deadline, and I'll honor it :) |
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[12:24] <lool> seb128: I've passed the info to tremolux, and he output the update over the WE, but it was slightly incomplete |
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[12:24] <lool> Hence the back and forth |
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[12:24] <lool> If it's too long for you, tell me, I'll finish it |
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[12:28] <seb128> lool: next week would be nice |
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[12:29] <lool> seb128: next Monday? |
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[12:29] <lool> seb128: I'll pass down the target to tremolux |
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[12:29] <lool> seb128: Feel free to escalate to me any time you want it |
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[12:30] <slomo_> seb128: /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list <--- is this a debian invention? |
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[12:30] <lool> slomo_: Isn't this XDG stuff? |
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[12:30] <lool> desktop-file-utils |
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[12:30] <seb128> lool: monday is a holiday, there is no really hurry, just try to get it uploaded next week if you can, thanks ;-) |
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[12:31] <seb128> slomo_: yes |
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[12:31] <slomo_> lool: yes... but i mean this location, other location are XDG, right |
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[12:31] <lool> seb128: Oh *right* \o/ |
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[12:31] <lool> holidays \o/ |
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[12:31] <slomo_> seb128: ok, not going upstream :) |
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[12:31] <seb128> slomo_: no |
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[12:31] <seb128> slomo_: that should be dropped from debian too if you ask me |
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[12:32] <slomo_> seb128: why exactly? |
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[12:33] <seb128> because it creates extra diff and should be done in a standard way |
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[12:33] <seb128> that has been discussed on the xdg lists some weeks ago |
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[12:34] <seb128> I'm not sure that KDE is using defaults.list anyway |
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[12:34] <slomo_> ok, did you drop it for ubuntu? |
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[12:34] <seb128> we never had it in ubuntu |
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[12:34] <slomo_> heh |
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[12:34] <seb128> that's something josselin did for debian I think |
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[12:34] <seb128> but I never agreed with it |
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[12:35] <seb128> and kubuntu didn't complain either so I think it's a non issue |
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[12:35] <slomo_> yes... how are default applications for a mimetype selected in ubuntu? |
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[12:35] <seb128> as they are upstream |
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[12:35] <seb128> using the defaults.list but not in a gnome subdir |
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[12:36] <slomo_> seb128: what are the other paths? i know the one in the home directory but is there a system wide too? |
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[12:36] <seb128> /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is the standard one |
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[12:37] <slomo_> ah, non-existing here... so it does automagic somehow? ;) |
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[12:37] <seb128> no, josselin patched the debian gnome to look at the debian specific location |
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[12:38] <slomo_> is there a /usr/share/applications/defaults.list in ubuntu? |
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[12:38] <seb128> yes |
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[12:38] <seb128> we ship it in desktop-file-utils though |
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[12:38] <seb128> not in gnome-vfs as debian |
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[12:39] <slomo_> ok, gives more or less the same problem though, just a different patch |
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[12:39] <seb128> what problem? |
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[12:40] <slomo_> these are all gnome applications... now if someone uses for example xfce he will have gnome applications as default unless he sets something different and not what xfce offers |
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[12:40] <slomo_> (same for kde if they use it too) |
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[12:40] <slomo_> not sure if this is important |
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[12:41] <seb128> we go no complain from kubuntu so I guess KDE is using something else |
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[12:44] <seb128> slomo_: there is a mail on the xdg lists stating "KDE uses InitialPreference. GNOME uses defaults.list." |
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[12:44] <slomo_> ok |
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[12:46] * slomo_ isn't happy with having gnome specific things in glib... but /usr/share/gnome is even worse :) |
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[13:08] <slomo_> seb128: 18_disable_signal_handler.patch <--- talked with alex about this one already? :) |
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[13:09] <seb128> slomo_: I just noticed that I forgot to drop it when I read your changelog |
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[13:09] <seb128> slomo_: alex fixed it differently upstream, the patch can be dropped |
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[13:09] <slomo_> seb128: thanks |
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[13:09] <slomo_> ok, i have everything ready now to flood alex with patches :P |
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[13:10] <seb128> ;-) |
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[13:17] <slomo_> vuntz: ping? :) |
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[13:20] <slomo_> vuntz: gnome-menus currently installs /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and similar things... ubuntu/debian already adds "gnome-" as prefix to them, what do you think about getting this upstream? :) needs a small fix in gnome-panel too... and resolves a conflict with kde (which has a kde-applications.menu, not sure if it's called applications.menu upstream too) |
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[13:21] <vuntz> slomo_: I've thought about this |
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[13:21] <slomo_> vuntz: ...but? :) it looks like a small change that shouldn't cause any problems at all |
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[13:21] <vuntz> slomo_: problem is that people who have edited their menus will lose their changes if we change the name of those files |
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[13:21] <slomo_> oh |
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[13:22] <slomo_> ok, that's bad then :) |
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[13:23] <slomo_> vuntz: any ideas how to solve that better? |
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[13:23] <seb128> slomo_: btw, ubuntu doesn't add gnome- there |
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[13:23] <seb128> slomo_: that's another change josselin did in debian I disagreed about |
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[13:23] <slomo_> oh, i didn't know you dropped that patch |
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[13:23] <slomo_> why did you disagree? except what vuntz said? |
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[13:24] <seb128> slomo_: and I think Amaranth recommended against it because it was creating issues for menu edition or something |
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[13:24] <seb128> slomo_: because it was breaking thing and a distro specific behaviour |
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[13:24] <seb128> slomo_: it requires to patch applications to use the right naming |
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[13:25] <vuntz> slomo_: it's hard to fix now |
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[13:25] <slomo_> ok, so not beautiful forever or until gnome 3.0 ;) |
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[13:26] <vuntz> slomo_: well, I'd love to fix this |
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[13:27] <slomo_> vuntz: ok, what about the gnome-panel-logout application patch? :) |
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[13:28] <seb128> vuntz: btw, could you review http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505488? |
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[13:28] <ubotu> Gnome bug 505488 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] |
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[13:32] <vuntz> seb128: gconf? |
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[13:33] <vuntz> slomo_: I'm not fond of this patch. Will be fixed properly in 2.23 |
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[13:33] <seb128> vuntz: nobody is maintaining it upstream |
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[13:33] <slomo_> vuntz: ok, good enough for me :) |
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[13:33] <seb128> vuntz: so I figured you might be able to review the patch and commit since that's a small one ;-) |
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[13:33] <seb128> vuntz: I'll try kmaraas otherwise |
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[13:35] <vuntz> seb128: I don't understand the patch |
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[13:35] <vuntz> seb128: isn't gconfd.c only used for gconfd? What's the relation with the library? |
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[13:35] <seb128> lool: ^ |
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[13:36] <seb128> vuntz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/188007 |
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[13:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 188007 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Medium,Triaged] |
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[13:36] <seb128> vuntz: there is some details there, not sure if that's useful to you though |
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[13:36] <slomo_> isn't gconfd forked from the library? |
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[13:37] <vuntz> slomo_: hmm. In GNOME, no |
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[13:37] <lool> vuntz: gconfd is autospawned by the lib |
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[13:37] <lool> vuntz: such a gconfd inherits whatever state the process had |
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[13:37] <vuntz> slomo_: I mean, yes, but it's started by gconf-sanity-check |
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[13:37] <lool> As it's a fork() + exec() |
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[13:38] <vuntz> anyway, it can't harm |
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[13:44] <seb128> vuntz: thanks! |
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[13:48] <lool> Pff we have ugly patches in gconf |
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[13:50] <seb128> lool: which one? |
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[13:50] <lool> The syslog one |
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[13:50] <lool> The other one isn't too ugly, it's just hurd cruft; can probably be merged upstream as is |
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[13:53] <seb128> right |
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[13:57] <soulc> cd burning software? |
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[13:58] <seb128> soulc: hi, you want to go on #ubuntu |
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[14:00] <soulc> want is desktop concerned with? |
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[14:02] <seb128> getting work done |
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[14:02] <seb128> that's not an user chan |
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[14:02] <seb128> rather a chan to discuss work we are doing |
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[14:03] <soulc> ah ok |
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[14:03] <soulc> so #ubuntu will work for me huh? |
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[14:07] <vuntz> Amaranth: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520726 doesn't apply here |
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[14:08] <ubotu> Gnome bug 520726 in general "make left and up viewport moves work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] |
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[14:08] <vuntz> is there any other patch that you apply before this one? |
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[14:11] <vuntz> ah, maybe the patch from bug 520704 |
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[14:18] <vuntz> seb128: I think you can kill 80_from_bugzilla_add_action_above.patch in libwnck |
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[14:18] <seb128> vuntz: thanks |
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[14:19] <vuntz> I remember thinking it should be killed a few months ago, but you might need to check why ;-) |
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[14:19] <seb128> Amaranth: ^ confirming? ;-) |
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[14:20] <vuntz> ok, no real important patches for libwnck |
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[14:33] <slomo_> pedro_: hi :) want to file FF exception requests for gtk-sharp2, gnome-sharp2 and gnome-desktop-sharp2 and a main inclusion report for the latter (f-spot wants gtkhtml)? :) |
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[14:33] <slomo_> pedro_: would get us rid of gtkhtml3.8 from main among other things |
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[14:38] <pedro_> well if that fixed the crashes |
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[14:43] <mvo> slomo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5871 <- interessting for you? (dapper->hardy) |
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[14:44] <slomo_> pedro_: doesn't fix the crashes... but makes pitti happy and will make it more likely that people can use our gtk# for the complete hardy supported time |
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[14:46] <lool> vuntz: Would you mind merging the hurd support patch in gconf? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gconf/debian/patches/25_gconf-path-max-hurd.patch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 |
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[14:46] <lool> Since you seem to be on a patch merging day :) |
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[14:48] <vuntz> lool: not now (finishing some gnome-desktop bugzilla crawling and then meeting in 10 minutes) |
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[14:48] <vuntz> lool: but you can ping me later :-) |
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[14:51] <lool> Sure |
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[14:52] <kwwii> mvo: what was the sytax for adding a bug number to a commit message again? (LP: #bugnumber)? |
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[14:58] <mvo> kwwii: yeah, "LP: #number" will work |
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[14:59] <kwwii> thanks |
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[15:02] <kwwii> mvo: remeber all the time we spent changing the gtk theme stuff to include clearlooks and murrine? Now it is time to revert that :-) |
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[15:03] <mvo> kwwii: meh - sounds like fun. so what is the new plan? do we go back to humanlooks? |
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[15:03] <kwwii> mvo: yes |
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[15:03] <mvo> hmmm |
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[15:03] <mvo> ok |
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[15:03] <mvo> why? |
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[15:03] <kwwii> mvo: I guess we can just take the older version of the pacakge, or? |
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[15:04] <mvo> kwwii: yeah, just doing that might be the easiest way |
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[15:04] <kwwii> mvo: because someone likes it better (and there are good reasons like the scrollbars, progress bars, etc) |
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[15:05] <mvo> heh, ok :) |
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[15:05] <kwwii> if it was up to me we would be using darklouche or such |
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[15:05] <kwwii> :-) |
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[15:06] <kwwii> and now everyone knows why it is not up to me :p |
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[15:08] <mvo> slomo_: if you don't have time to look mono overwrite issue, I'm happy to do it, just let me know |
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[15:09] <slomo_> mvo: would be nice if you could do it |
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[15:17] <slomo_> seb128: ok, so we only have one patch in nautilus left that is not upstream... well, after alex branched and i committed the last ready one :) |
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[15:18] <seb128> slomo_: yeah, I've read the chan activity |
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[15:18] <seb128> we had quite some buggy patches, what did you do with those, dropped them now? |
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[15:18] <slomo_> yes |
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[15:19] <slomo_> well, disabled them for now if they're still valid |
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[15:19] <seb128> ok |
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[15:19] <slomo_> attached the last versions to the bug and explained what needs to be done to get it into nautilus |
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[15:19] <kwwii> btw, if someone wants to take a look at the gdm bug fix, it is in bzr and the source package is here: |
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[15:20] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26.dsc |
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[15:20] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26_source.build |
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[15:20] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26_source.changes |
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[15:20] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/ubuntu-gdm-themes_0.26.tar.gz |
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[15:37] <slomo_> lool: what shall we do about glib now? simply ignore joss and do the XDG_DATA_DIRS hack in gnome-session? ;) |
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[15:37] <slomo_> lool: and a separate package for the defaults of course |
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[15:42] <lool> slomo_: Yeah; Joss just doesn't want to lose face, but you can ignore him now, he kind of admitted XDG_DATA_DIRS in g-s is the only clean way we found for now |
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[15:43] <lool> slomo_: Perhaps glib could be generally more clever, but it would take a while to spec and implement cleverness on such stuff |
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[15:44] <lool> slomo_: For instance, we could teach glib about where it's running in ("this is a GNOME session") and teach it to prefer .desktop files for GNOME |
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[15:44] <lool> (I'm just listing crazy ideas; I'm not actually proposing to do this) |
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[15:44] <lool> But if you look at it today, the glib patch is pure uglyness for something which should really be achieved with an env var |
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[15:44] <slomo_> lool: ok, will do that then... what would you suggest for the gnome defaults? simply ship with gnome-core? :) |
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[15:44] <slomo_> yes, i really hate the current glib patch |
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[15:45] <lool> I don't like shipping the defaults in a particular package; it doesn't really make sense to me |
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[15:45] <slomo_> for gnomevfs it could stay as it is now, i don't care... the defaults should just be shipped by another package |
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[15:45] <lool> But for now, you could ship them in gnome-session as it's probably the only thing which will use that XDG dir |
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[15:46] <lool> On the longer term, it would be doable to have a trigger (haha) generate the defaults based on sensible info; perhaps from the packages or from the existing desktop files |
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[15:46] <slomo_> ok, noted and will do once later... and upload once glib moved to testing |
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[15:46] <slomo_> hehe, triggers... maybe next century :) |
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[15:47] <seb128> having the defaults.list is a lib or desktop applications sucks |
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[15:48] <seb128> because it means changing it is not as cheap as it should be |
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[15:49] <lool> seb128: Yeah, exactly |
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[16:20] <nxvl> mvo: are you still working on Bug #33505 ?? |
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[16:20] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 33505 in apt "BADSIG errors using transparent http proxies" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/33505 |
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[18:40] <pochu> seb128: hey, I already have my new desktop! ;-) |
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[18:40] <seb128> pochu: ah, good ;-) |
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[18:40] <pochu> seb128: btw totem-plugins should depend on python-gdata, which is needed for the youtube plugin |
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[18:41] <seb128> pochu: no it should not, that's an universe package and the youtube plugin is quite buggy |
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[18:41] <pochu> seb128: ah, then suggest it? :) |
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[18:42] <pochu> it WFM btw |
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[18:42] <seb128> pochu: I think I'll split the package, move the binary to universe and add depends there |
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[18:42] <seb128> pochu: very weird, it was broken due to the gnomevfs changes, gicmo fixed it and the patch has been uploaded to debian and ubuntu but it's blocked by the freeze |
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[18:43] <pochu> then the plugin won't be installed by default? |
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[18:43] <seb128> I'll revisit the choice once I've tried with the gnomevfs fix |
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[18:43] <pochu> seb128: I don't have sound though, but that's because I don't have speakers yet ;-) |
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[18:43] <seb128> try searching for ubuntu and play the library example |
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[18:43] <seb128> does it work? |
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[18:44] <pochu> Ubuntu @ The library? |
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[18:44] <pochu> Could not open location; you might not have permission to open the file. |
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[18:44] * pochu wonders why... |
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[18:49] <pochu> seb128: search for "within temptation" and watch the "Stand my ground" videoclip |
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[18:53] <seb128> pochu: I didn't say none was working ;-) |
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[18:53] <pochu> seb128: ah, ok :) |
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[18:53] <seb128> pochu: but most of the ubuntu ones are broken for example |
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[18:53] <seb128> pochu: and you need the gst-plugins-bad installed |
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[18:53] <seb128> pochu: so it can't work out of the box |
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[18:53] <pochu> :( |
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[18:53] <pochu> that's a cool plugin ;) |
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[18:53] <seb128> right |
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[18:54] <seb128> we don't have mp3 working out of the box neither |
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[18:54] <seb128> it's useful too ;-) |
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[18:54] <seb128> patents suck |
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[18:54] <seb128> but we have to do with those |
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[18:54] <pochu> right, but at least we have the easy-codec-installation :) |
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[18:55] <seb128> I'll have a look at the youtube plugin again after beta anyway |
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[18:55] <pochu> great |
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[18:56] <seb128> pochu: if you are looking at things to do you are welcome to look at all the uploads slomo did to debian and see what we can sync or merge easily |
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[18:56] <seb128> we can likely lower the delta and sync some packages easily after beta |
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[18:56] <slomo_> seb128: the side pane one click patch was updated... and IMHO it looks good now, didn't test it yet though |
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[18:56] <pochu> plugins-bad is in universe btw... perhaps when the required plugin gets some work and is promoted to -good... |
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[18:56] <slomo_> seb128: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355760 if you want to test... :) |
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[18:56] <ubotu> Gnome bug 355760 in Sidebar Panel: Places "Side pane items shouldn't require a double click to open the location" [Minor,New] |
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[18:57] <seb128> slomo_: does it fix the double click smb error and the left click action? |
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[18:57] <seb128> right click I mean, and apparently it does |
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[18:57] <pochu> lool, seb128: what was that upnp python module we needed a MIR for? I don't have the logs from the last week or so |
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[18:58] <slomo_> seb128: well, it has the same behaviour as if you set nautilus to single click everywhere |
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[18:58] <pochu> hey slomo_ |
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[18:58] <seb128> well, that's not the default so not many people notice |
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[18:58] <seb128> pochu: I think python-coherence should be promoted, would be nice to look at that ;-) |
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[18:58] <slomo_> pochu: if you want, merge gnomevfs :) and gstreamer stuff... and gtk-sharp2/gnome-sharp2/gnome-desktop2 (needs FF exception and the latter need MIR) :) |
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[18:59] <seb128> slomo_: oh you didn't upload the gnome-vfs change to hardy? I though you did |
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[18:59] <seb128> you decided to just work on debian and let other people do the ubuntu merges now? :-( |
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[18:59] <seb128> we need to recrute new contributors ;-) |
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[19:00] <slomo_> seb128: i'll upload gnomevfs after freeze to see if the patch is fine until then |
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[19:00] <slomo_> seb128: and if pochu doesn't want to do that stuff i've to do it ;) |
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[19:01] * pochu is on holidays :) |
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[19:02] <seb128> slomo_: you don't "have to" do anyway, but help to merge debian updates is welcome |
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[19:02] <seb128> I'll do what I can but there is lot to do and not so many people active at the moment |
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[19:02] <slomo_> seb128: well, i don't have to but i want to :) |
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[19:03] <seb128> thanks ;-) |
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[19:05] <pochu> slomo_: I can do the gstreamer merges today or tomorrow |
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[19:06] <pochu> slomo_: we are in sync for -base, aren't we? so can't we just sync it? (I didn't look at the changes yet as I'm cathing with the mail though, so I don't know what changed ;) |
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[19:06] <slomo_> pochu: yes, base can be synced |
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[19:06] <slomo_> as can all the others too iirc, except core |
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[19:08] <seb128> pochu: we have to delay syncs to after the freeze, they don't go to the queue but are directly accepted |
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[19:08] <seb128> but feel free to make a list and ping me after beta ;-) |
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[19:08] <gicmo> re |
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[19:10] <pochu> seb128: sure, I'll make a list when I process sid-changes ;) |
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[19:10] <pochu> hey ember |
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[19:41] <lool> seb128, pochu: I'm also looking at getting python-coherence promoted for elisa |
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[19:41] <lool> I think I told people around here to try the RB uPnP plugin; it's now quite capable |
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[19:41] <lool> pitti: ^ |
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[19:42] <lool> pitti: In general, python-coherence would enhance the RB plugin and elisa :) |
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[22:37] <pitti> lool: hm, sounds like a new feature to me |
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[22:37] <pitti> lool: I explained my gut feeling in the MIR bug |
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[23:14] <pochu> pitti: where's that bug? I see no bugs for coherence in lp |
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