[00:13] vuntz: of course, I can't take a screenshot [00:13] if I go to an empty viewport, and click it, I get all my apps [00:14] if I click it again, I get only 3 [00:17] weird [00:17] * vuntz wonders if there's another wm using viewport [00:18] sawfish, maybe [00:18] or maybe compiz does work on my laptop now... [06:33] ubotu: part [06:33] (george is already in here, and i don't have access) [06:36] George: test [06:37] !help [06:37] I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots [06:37] works [06:37] Hobbsee: I could just ban George :P [06:37] bug 67834 [06:38] Launchpad bug 67834 in kdebase "add an option to disable the system bell system-wide" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/67834 [06:38] then again... [06:38] Amaranth: if you like. both do it. [06:38] Amaranth: this ubotu doesn't work with !info basket, etc, though. [06:38] although it'll tell you if something isn't in ubuntu [06:38] nah, this seems to work for the only thing it ever gets used for [06:38] bug 49346 [06:38] Launchpad bug 49346 in metacity "Gnome mistakes window closing confirmation as frozen programme. (dup-of: 29584)" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49346 [06:39] Launchpad bug 29584 in metacity "False reports of "Window not responding" error" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/29584 [06:40] George: bug #172300 [06:40] Launchpad bug 172300 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Unable to boot 7.10 on abit ib9 due to ata xfermode" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/172300 [06:51] good morning [06:56] @schedule [06:56] Schedule for Etc/UTC: 19 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 26 Mar 21:00: Server Team | 28 Mar 04:00: MOTU [08:46] hey hey hey mvo gicmo [08:48] gicmo: your nautilus-cd-burner changes work correctly ;-) [08:48] hey seb128! [08:49] seb128: cool, totally strange that they left that call in there, could you attach the patch to the bug? [08:49] gicmo: sure [08:49] gicmo: I manage to lock nautilus apparently though [08:50] oh [08:50] gicmo: does http://paste.ubuntu.com/5860/ looks like a locked situation? [08:50] gicmo: I tried to open several folder etc on the sftp location while I was disconnect [08:50] that didn't block nautilus which is good ;-) [08:51] but when I reconnected it did the actions queued apparently [08:52] DOH [08:52] don't keep fingers on ctrl-alt to switch workspace after typing [08:52] or don't delete a char while you are doing so rather ;-) [08:52] hehe [08:53] looks like its blockin in dbus [08:53] anyway, after being connected again it opened several directories on which ones I clicked during the disconnect time [08:53] and then got greyed (ie, the compiz way to tell you the app is not responding) [08:54] seb128: was happening to me all the time; I decided to add DontZap to my config when I was tired of losing my work :) [08:54] lool: we should do that by default ;-) [08:54] I proposed that a while back! [08:55] But I was told many users kill their session in this way, especially when it's hung [08:55] which is true [08:56] we got quite some complain because gdm was not coming back properly after ctrl-alt-del in some cycle [08:56] seb128: hmm tricky [08:57] gicmo: don't bother too much with this one, that was just in case there was something obvious there [08:58] k [09:02] morning everyone [09:02] :) === fta_ is now known as fta [09:03] heu huats [09:08] hello crevette mvo and of course seb128 [09:08] :) [09:08] hey huats [09:08] lut huats [09:14] kwwii: I just noticed that with the new gdm theme the "incorrect password blabla" line is partially covered by the input line; it should be somewhere else [09:14] kwwii: is this on your radar already or shall I file a bug? [09:14] pitti: there is several duplicates from this one already [09:14] I'm going to kick the next user bugging gdm about it [09:14] ;-) [09:14] pitti: there is already a bug on that (and I will fix it) [09:14] * pitti shuts up [09:14] kwwii: danke [09:14] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:15] * seb128 hugs pitti [09:15] I'll have the tweaked package ready a bit later :-) [09:15] that's annoying, they all send bugs on gdm [09:15] * pitti currently tests pretty much everything in the live system [09:15] pitti: how buggy is it? [09:15] pretty good actually [09:15] PK works again, all apps that I tested so far work [09:15] cool [09:16] bug 203612 is a bit nasty [09:16] but just cosmetic, too [09:16] Launchpad bug 203612 in displayconfig-gtk "Screens & Graphics menu item in wrong section" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/203612 [09:16] all in all we are in a pretty good shape [09:16] pitti: I though it had been removed from the menus? [09:16] (this can't be right, it's too good....) [09:16] removed entirely? why should it? [09:17] it's my live saver to get a correct resolution, and I guess for many other people, too? [09:17] System -> Administration is a good place for it? [09:17] oh, i thought Screens&Graphics went away [09:17] pitti: [09:17] displayconfig-gtk (0.3.8ubuntu1) hardy; urgency=low [09:17] . [09:17] * Disable displayconfig-gtk in menus (replaced by Screen Resolution tool) [09:18] * pitti wonders WTH a "802.1X protected wired network" is [09:18] asac: ^ current network-manager [09:18] pitti: bryce argued that it's too buggy and not useful now that we have the xrandr 1.2 capplet [09:18] yeah, since it's really only needed for bulletproofx [09:18] but if X misdetects the resolution, xrand doesn't help at all [09:18] the xrandr 1.2 thing doesn't work for nvidia but then again screens & graphics doesn't do the right thing for nvidia either :) [09:18] (e. g. vmware only has 800x600 due to a bug in X.org somewhere) [09:19] Amaranth: bryce wants to use the nvidia tool for those [09:19] well, either way, it shouldn't be in Apps -> Other [09:19] pitti: well, iz xorg bug [09:19] yeah, nvidia-settings is better :) [09:19] no it shouldn't [09:19] seb128: right; but even if this particular one is fixed, we'll always have some [09:20] "cannot fix detected screen resolution" is the top #1 complaint from the people around me why they did not install Ubuntu permanently [09:20] granted, it got much better in hardy [09:21] seb128: ah, and tomboy crashes [09:21] (when trying to quit it) [09:22] and the tracker search tool doesn't allow me to enable tracker [09:22] pitti: you should enable it from system, preferences, indexing [09:22] pitti: well, I'm not the one to argue with, but I really don't like this displaygtk-config [09:22] I had bad comments about it and I think it's quite buggy [09:23] I tend to agree [09:26] seb128: hm, System Tools -> Hardware Testing... I don't think we want that there either ,right? [09:26] System -> Administration, for all users? [09:27] pitti: yeah, cr3 mailed me about that yesterday [09:27] pitti: I'm not sure to be honest [09:27] pitti: I'm pondering moving things back to applications, system tools [09:27] system, preferences has too many items now [09:28] hm, but they mostly fit well into the idea of "system administration" IMHO [09:28] hwtest doesn't, right [09:28] and vmware, virt, etc install items in applications, system tools [09:28] which means you quickly get this submenu back when installing softwares anyway [09:28] right, gnome-device-manager is, too (universe, though) [09:29] it just looks a bit weird to have just one entry in the menu [09:29] but *shrug* [09:29] seb128: as long as it has been discussed, I'm fine [09:29] just want to make sure it's not an oversight [09:29] * pitti hugs seb128 [09:30] pitti: I didn't reply to cr3, but we will not let one item there [09:31] either we move back things which were there [09:31] ie, gnome-system-monitor [09:31] or we move the hardware testing somewhere else [09:31] not sure what is the best yet [09:31] I'll likely put that on the desktop team meeting agenda [09:34] oh, system monitor is a great idea [09:34] * pitti doesn't even find that in the menu [09:34] it's applet-only ATM? [09:35] wow, we have a "Network Manager Editor" now [09:36] . o O { that doesn't really belong into the main menu IMHO; would be better in right-click nm-applet menu } [09:36] seems I'm in a nitpicking mood today [09:46] pitti: i have seen some discussion about that [09:47] but i don't have any details [09:47] will try to look it up when i have some time [09:47] pitti: can you make jockey set UseCompositeWrapper for nvidia too? [09:47] * Amaranth should really file a bug :) [09:48] Amaranth: sure, but please file a bug and give some explanations [09:48] Amaranth: will that cause any regressions for other hardware or performance? [09:49] it might be a performance hit but it just makes the nvidia driver use something from the X server (that i'm guessing other drivers use) instead of doing stuff by itself [09:49] apparently Qt apps are basically unusable with the driver we have if you don't enable this [09:50] with compiz, i mean [10:14] pitti: it is in the right-click NM menu, isn't it? [10:14] Keybuk: oh, indeed it is [10:15] so why is it repeated in the menu? [10:15] because right click is not discoverable [10:16] but I agree on this one, it should not be in the menu [10:17] the fact that NM has both left and right click menus is, of course, a different issue [10:17] (and an idiotic one) [10:17] . o O { session startup in a fresh vmware installation is delightfully fast again! } [10:18] asac: what is a 802.1X protected wired network? Can we change that string to something mere mortals can understand? [10:18] pitti: huh? didn't you get my answer or did i forget to hit enter? ... i currently have no idea what it is. i just rememberd that someone was happy that it worked now on NM list [10:19] where do you read that string? [10:19] asac: ah, there; sorry [10:19] asac: left click on nm-applet [10:19] seb128: ah, recently you were asking me about floppy, right? [10:20] i dont see anything there right now. guess have to remove my entry from eni. will do so after a short breakfast [10:20] seb128: it just occurred to me that in vmware I can have a fake floppy, and I indeed get that "invalid hal function signature yadayada" error when I select it in the places menu [10:20] pitti: yes, I would like to know if those are working in nautilus now [10:20] pitti: and using the computer location? [10:20] pitti: that's weird because the method is available now [10:20] seb128: there it correctly says "no media in the driver" [10:21] s/driver/drive/ [10:21] hum [10:21] would be interesting to try with a floppy in the drive [10:21] to see if it gets mounted [10:22] pitti: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/802.1x ... so its authenticated wired apparently (like one could guess) [10:23] now breakfast [10:25] so no one can sniff your wired connection? [10:25] seb128: let me find/download a floppy image [10:25] pitti: thanks [10:26] hm, that vmware isntance does not have a floppy... [10:26] * pitti shuts down and adds one [10:27] seb128: ah, please sync banshee 0.13.2+dfsg-8 from debian :) adds mtp and gnome-settings-daemon 2.22 support [10:27] seb128: and last-exit 5-2 [10:27] pitti: is that ok to do universe syncs now? [10:28] seb128: sure [10:28] seb128: ah, convenient: vmware offers me to create an empty floppy image :) [10:28] ah, cool [10:36] seb128: hmmm [10:36] so I created and mformat'ed the floppy [10:36] and mount /media/floppy works (standard fstab entry) [10:37] but computer place still says 'no media' and places menu has that weird hal signature error [10:37] ok, so it's still buggy [10:37] gnome-mount -vbd /dev/fd0 works at least [10:39] same result when I remove the fstab entry [10:41] seb128: hm, seems to be pretty much bug 188256 for floppies [10:41] Launchpad bug 188256 in nautilus "empty CD-ROM Drive doesn't do anything when clicked" [Wishlist,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/188256 [10:42] pitti: right [10:42] it's mentioned in the second-last comment [10:42] pitti: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gvfs/+bug/197954 too [10:42] Launchpad bug 197954 in gvfs "Hardy: Unable to scan Floppy Drive for media changes" [Low,Triaged] [10:43] pitti: once the floppy mounted you can browse it though? [10:44] when I use gnome-mount -d /dev/fd0, then the Places menu gets a secodn icon "disk" with a floppy icon (in addition to "Floppy drive") [10:44] same in the computer place [10:44] the disk icon opens nautilus with the floppy contents [10:45] floppy drive icon continues to be broken [11:16] seb128: oh, and after freeze you can merge glib and sync gvfs please ;) [11:17] slomo_: glib is not buggy then? you told me yesterday to wait [11:17] ciao [11:17] seb128: the bug was somewhere else as expected but i just wanted to be sure :) (n-m had memory corruption, causing a segfault in a glib function) [11:18] seb128: also all those patches are upstream now (or will later today) [11:18] slomo_: alright [11:18] slomo_: what patches? [11:18] slomo_: I did send the gio nfs one upstream today [11:18] seb128: the nfs4 patch? [11:18] yes [11:18] ok, none of the others? :) [11:18] i meant 80_static-mutex-aliasing-warnings.patch and 81_c99-inline-warnings.patch [11:18] I've enough to carry zillion of changes because Josselin doesn't bother sending what he does upstream [11:19] slomo_: no, I was going to look at the other later but if you do it that's good ;-) [11:20] ok ;) [11:20] slomo_: btw did you port the single click patch for nautilus to the new version? [11:20] i dropped it iirc [11:21] ok, cool [11:21] because it's creating issues [11:21] seb128: how was the file called? :) [11:22] slomo_: 05_places-sidebar_single-click.patch [11:22] oh, that is still applied (and didn't need porting) [11:22] sorry [11:23] what issues does it create? [11:23] slomo_: bug #189110 [11:23] Launchpad bug 189110 in nautilus "nautilus erroneous error message opening Samba share - can't display Samba drive" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/189110 [11:23] slomo_: and right clicking on a location to copy things for example makes it switch to the location [11:24] ok, thanks... will take a closer look at the patch and disable for next upload unless it's possible to fix it easily; ) [11:24] thanks [11:26] i hate all these patches :) [11:26] me too [11:27] we should really profite of alex being active to get things upstream or drop the distro changes if they are not appropriates [11:28] yes, just needs someone to do it... most nautilus patches were in bugzilla though [11:30] alex doesn't use bugzilla a lot, too much things there [11:30] better to ask him on IRC or use the nautilus list [11:33] yes, that's my plan [11:33] :) [11:33] seb128: apart from that he will have much less time for such things starting in 10 days (i thought you got the mail too?) [11:34] slomo_: yes [11:34] slomo_: that's why we should try to get changes upstream now ;-) [11:35] seb128: yes, later... need to get some food now and then i'll do it :P [11:35] what happens in 10 days? [11:36] Amaranth: alex goes on paternity leaves for some months [11:36] ah [11:36] i thought that was a couple months ago [11:46] seb128: any reason why you didn't commit the nfs4 patch yet? :) [11:47] slomo_: I'm not a glib maintainer and nobody approved it yet [11:48] seb128: can't alex approve at least gio related things? well, someone will probably look at it and if not i'll ask mclassen later when i've all patches prepared ;) [11:49] slomo_: alex read the gio bug mails and approve patches usually, I just don't want to bother him every 15 minutes on IRC, I'll let him deal with the bug when he wants rather, there is no hurry ;-) [12:18] lool: did you get the cheese update uploaded? [12:20] seb128: It was incomplete [12:20] seb128: missing b-deps bumps and changelog information [12:21] seb128: I can easily complete the update in some minutes if you need it at any time [12:21] slomo_: hello, have you seen this bug 199496 ? [12:21] Launchpad bug 199496 in tomboy "Tomboy.exe crashed with SIGSEGV in exit()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/199496 [12:21] lool: I don't really need it, but would be nice to have the GNOME 2.22 version [12:22] lool: I was just wondering because you said it would be uploaded by tuesday [12:22] pedro_: known gtk# or mono bug [12:23] pedro_: assuming it happened when exiting tomboy [12:23] yes same one [12:23] no fix known yet but it's nothing to worry about too much [12:23] just annoying because of apport ;) [12:23] hehe ok, thanks [12:23] seb128: I said we should set the deadline to tuesday, but then I backed up when I recalled about the freeze [12:24] seb128: To be clear: set the deadline, and I'll honor it :) [12:24] seb128: I've passed the info to tremolux, and he output the update over the WE, but it was slightly incomplete [12:24] Hence the back and forth [12:24] If it's too long for you, tell me, I'll finish it [12:28] lool: next week would be nice [12:29] seb128: next Monday? [12:29] seb128: I'll pass down the target to tremolux [12:29] seb128: Feel free to escalate to me any time you want it [12:30] seb128: /usr/share/gnome/applications/defaults.list <--- is this a debian invention? [12:30] slomo_: Isn't this XDG stuff? [12:30] desktop-file-utils [12:30] lool: monday is a holiday, there is no really hurry, just try to get it uploaded next week if you can, thanks ;-) [12:31] slomo_: yes [12:31] lool: yes... but i mean this location, other location are XDG, right [12:31] seb128: Oh *right* \o/ [12:31] holidays \o/ [12:31] seb128: ok, not going upstream :) [12:31] slomo_: no [12:31] slomo_: that should be dropped from debian too if you ask me [12:32] seb128: why exactly? [12:33] because it creates extra diff and should be done in a standard way [12:33] that has been discussed on the xdg lists some weeks ago [12:34] I'm not sure that KDE is using defaults.list anyway [12:34] ok, did you drop it for ubuntu? [12:34] we never had it in ubuntu [12:34] heh [12:34] that's something josselin did for debian I think [12:34] but I never agreed with it [12:35] and kubuntu didn't complain either so I think it's a non issue [12:35] yes... how are default applications for a mimetype selected in ubuntu? [12:35] as they are upstream [12:35] using the defaults.list but not in a gnome subdir [12:36] seb128: what are the other paths? i know the one in the home directory but is there a system wide too? [12:36] /usr/share/applications/defaults.list is the standard one [12:37] ah, non-existing here... so it does automagic somehow? ;) [12:37] no, josselin patched the debian gnome to look at the debian specific location [12:38] is there a /usr/share/applications/defaults.list in ubuntu? [12:38] yes [12:38] we ship it in desktop-file-utils though [12:38] not in gnome-vfs as debian [12:39] ok, gives more or less the same problem though, just a different patch [12:39] what problem? [12:40] these are all gnome applications... now if someone uses for example xfce he will have gnome applications as default unless he sets something different and not what xfce offers [12:40] (same for kde if they use it too) [12:40] not sure if this is important [12:41] we go no complain from kubuntu so I guess KDE is using something else [12:44] slomo_: there is a mail on the xdg lists stating "KDE uses InitialPreference. GNOME uses defaults.list." [12:44] ok [12:46] * slomo_ isn't happy with having gnome specific things in glib... but /usr/share/gnome is even worse :) [13:08] seb128: 18_disable_signal_handler.patch <--- talked with alex about this one already? :) [13:09] slomo_: I just noticed that I forgot to drop it when I read your changelog [13:09] slomo_: alex fixed it differently upstream, the patch can be dropped [13:09] seb128: thanks [13:09] ok, i have everything ready now to flood alex with patches :P [13:10] ;-) [13:17] vuntz: ping? :) [13:20] vuntz: gnome-menus currently installs /etc/xdg/menus/applications.menu and similar things... ubuntu/debian already adds "gnome-" as prefix to them, what do you think about getting this upstream? :) needs a small fix in gnome-panel too... and resolves a conflict with kde (which has a kde-applications.menu, not sure if it's called applications.menu upstream too) [13:21] slomo_: I've thought about this [13:21] vuntz: ...but? :) it looks like a small change that shouldn't cause any problems at all [13:21] slomo_: problem is that people who have edited their menus will lose their changes if we change the name of those files [13:21] oh [13:22] ok, that's bad then :) [13:23] vuntz: any ideas how to solve that better? [13:23] slomo_: btw, ubuntu doesn't add gnome- there [13:23] slomo_: that's another change josselin did in debian I disagreed about [13:23] oh, i didn't know you dropped that patch [13:23] why did you disagree? except what vuntz said? [13:24] slomo_: and I think Amaranth recommended against it because it was creating issues for menu edition or something [13:24] slomo_: because it was breaking thing and a distro specific behaviour [13:24] slomo_: it requires to patch applications to use the right naming [13:25] slomo_: it's hard to fix now [13:25] ok, so not beautiful forever or until gnome 3.0 ;) [13:26] slomo_: well, I'd love to fix this [13:27] vuntz: ok, what about the gnome-panel-logout application patch? :) [13:28] vuntz: btw, could you review http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505488? [13:28] Gnome bug 505488 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [13:32] seb128: gconf? [13:33] slomo_: I'm not fond of this patch. Will be fixed properly in 2.23 [13:33] vuntz: nobody is maintaining it upstream [13:33] vuntz: ok, good enough for me :) [13:33] vuntz: so I figured you might be able to review the patch and commit since that's a small one ;-) [13:33] vuntz: I'll try kmaraas otherwise [13:35] seb128: I don't understand the patch [13:35] seb128: isn't gconfd.c only used for gconfd? What's the relation with the library? [13:35] lool: ^ [13:36] vuntz: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gconf/+bug/188007 [13:36] Launchpad bug 188007 in gconf "gconfd does not unblock signals properly" [Medium,Triaged] [13:36] vuntz: there is some details there, not sure if that's useful to you though [13:36] isn't gconfd forked from the library? [13:37] slomo_: hmm. In GNOME, no [13:37] vuntz: gconfd is autospawned by the lib [13:37] vuntz: such a gconfd inherits whatever state the process had [13:37] slomo_: I mean, yes, but it's started by gconf-sanity-check [13:37] As it's a fork() + exec() [13:38] anyway, it can't harm [13:44] vuntz: thanks! [13:48] Pff we have ugly patches in gconf [13:50] lool: which one? [13:50] The syslog one [13:50] The other one isn't too ugly, it's just hurd cruft; can probably be merged upstream as is [13:53] right [13:57] cd burning software? [13:58] soulc: hi, you want to go on #ubuntu [14:00] want is desktop concerned with? [14:02] getting work done [14:02] that's not an user chan [14:02] rather a chan to discuss work we are doing [14:03] ah ok [14:03] so #ubuntu will work for me huh? [14:07] Amaranth: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=520726 doesn't apply here [14:08] Gnome bug 520726 in general "make left and up viewport moves work" [Normal,Unconfirmed] [14:08] is there any other patch that you apply before this one? [14:11] ah, maybe the patch from bug 520704 [14:18] seb128: I think you can kill 80_from_bugzilla_add_action_above.patch in libwnck [14:18] vuntz: thanks [14:19] I remember thinking it should be killed a few months ago, but you might need to check why ;-) [14:19] Amaranth: ^ confirming? ;-) [14:20] ok, no real important patches for libwnck [14:33] pedro_: hi :) want to file FF exception requests for gtk-sharp2, gnome-sharp2 and gnome-desktop-sharp2 and a main inclusion report for the latter (f-spot wants gtkhtml)? :) [14:33] pedro_: would get us rid of gtkhtml3.8 from main among other things [14:38] well if that fixed the crashes [14:43] slomo_: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5871 <- interessting for you? (dapper->hardy) [14:44] pedro_: doesn't fix the crashes... but makes pitti happy and will make it more likely that people can use our gtk# for the complete hardy supported time [14:46] vuntz: Would you mind merging the hurd support patch in gconf? http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-gnome/desktop/unstable/gconf/debian/patches/25_gconf-path-max-hurd.patch?op=file&rev=0&sc=0 [14:46] Since you seem to be on a patch merging day :) [14:48] lool: not now (finishing some gnome-desktop bugzilla crawling and then meeting in 10 minutes) [14:48] lool: but you can ping me later :-) [14:51] Sure [14:52] mvo: what was the sytax for adding a bug number to a commit message again? (LP: #bugnumber)? [14:58] kwwii: yeah, "LP: #number" will work [14:59] thanks === dholbach_ is now known as dholbach [15:02] mvo: remeber all the time we spent changing the gtk theme stuff to include clearlooks and murrine? Now it is time to revert that :-) [15:03] kwwii: meh - sounds like fun. so what is the new plan? do we go back to humanlooks? [15:03] mvo: yes [15:03] hmmm [15:03] ok [15:03] why? [15:03] mvo: I guess we can just take the older version of the pacakge, or? [15:04]