2020/01/16/#ubuntu-discuss.txt

[01:40] <OerHeks> sarnold, what is <keyrcbot>
[01:41] <sarnold> OerHeks: I assume it's one of those annoying relaybot
[01:41] <sarnold> I haven't got a clue what's the other side of the relay :)
[01:41] <OerHeks> sort of tegramm?
[01:41] <OerHeks> i think it is not wanted, or maybe i am wrong
[01:42] <sarnold> they're moderately annoying, but so long as it appears to be used by just one person..
[01:42] <sarnold> every now and then someone wants to use a bot to join together oftc and freenode and matrix and telegram and .... NOOOO
[01:53] <leftyfb> gotta love the ones that profess their disdain for ubuntu and troll, yes insist they're there for help
[01:54] <leftyfb> he's begging for it
[02:33] <leftyfb> just got gigabit internet with an LTE failover modem. I just tested the failover, it's almost instant. Can't get over how nice this is.
[02:34] <sarnold> wow
[02:34] <sarnold> not at all what I'd expect
[02:41] <leftyfb> it fails over in less than a minute. Maybe 5 or 10 seconds or so. Mind you, the failover is part of the Ubiquiti USG (router) that I have. Nothing to do with the modem.
[02:42] <leftyfb> they even included a pretty decent APC UPS just for the LTE modem
[02:42] <leftyfb> now I just gotta get them to completely disable this "Security Edge" that apparently filters my DNS regardless if I have the service disabled or not. That isn't going to fly
[07:13] <lordievader> Good morning
[11:08] <lotuspsychje> good afternoon
[11:44] <TJ-> or morning :)
[11:46] <lotuspsychje> hey TJ-
[12:00] <daftykins> \o
[12:01] <TJ-> My apprentice is having fun building a complex RasPi project and hitting some interesting problems. Currently the LCD orientiation at boot-time won't rotate ... so now he's trying to assemble the pan-tilt camera unit. Extremely entertaining
[12:05] <daftykins> :)
[12:05] <daftykins> and no more trouser dropping thus far?
[12:06] <TJ-> LoL I best clear the screen before he sees that comment
[12:07] <daftykins> xD oops
[12:08] <daftykins> how's the weather up north? i've heard talk of a storm interrupting our shipping here to the islands but no sign of anything special
[12:14] <pizzaiolo> morning
[12:15] <daftykins> heya
[12:21] <TJ-> Sunny here as far as I can tell :)
[12:26] <pizzaiolo> mist and light rain here, aka free car wash
[12:32] <jeremy31> Just cold here 0F
[12:33] <daftykins> it's always very mild here on Guernsey, 11 deg C today
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[17:15] <pragmaticenigma> !19.04
[17:15] <ubot5> Ubuntu 19.04 (Disco Dingo) is the 30th release of Ubuntu, supported until January 2020.  Release Notes: http://ubottu.com/y/dingo
[17:18] <leftyfb> interesting how it just says "January". No actual date
[17:18] <pragmaticenigma> yeah.. but it's enough for me to say no go
[17:19] <pragmaticenigma> it's 9 months from release... so techincally 2020-01-18 ??
[17:19] <leftyfb> 2 more days os support! :)
[17:19] <tomreyn> there was an announcement on the ubuntu-announce mailing lit providing the exact date
[17:20] <tomreyn> *liSt
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> lit up!
[17:20] <tomreyn> leftyfb: so, about subone / unclean ntfs, you're saying disabling windows "fast startup" (Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Power Options > System Setting > Choose what the power buttons do and uncheck the Turn on fast startup box) is no longer needed?
[17:20] <pragmaticenigma> oh... that's needed
[17:20] <leftyfb> tomreyn: it'll certainly help, but it won't fix the issue. And it won't always prevent the issue.
[17:21] <tomreyn> ok, took me a while to re-find that so i didn't tell subone in time before they left. we should do so if / when they return
[17:21] <tomreyn> https://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/what-is-fast-startup-windows-8-disable-it/
[17:22] <tomreyn> also the RTC registry patch may be nice to have
[17:22] <tomreyn> s/RTC/UTC/
[17:22] <tomreyn> for making windows not set loccal time on the HW clock
[17:23] <daftykins> i always used to go the other way and tell 'buntu to leave it alone ;)
[17:24] <tomreyn> you can do that, but that feels wrong to me. :)
[17:24] <pragmaticenigma> I know that Windows being left in it's hybrid sleep states, or hibernate has always causes Ubuntu to think the drive was "unclean"
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> I thought fast boot just left a marker in the firmware to boot directly to windows at net start up... didn't know it also left the drive in any unclean state
[17:25] <tomreyn> HKLM\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\TimeZoneInformation
[17:25] <tomreyn> i mean https://askubuntu.com/questions/232405/how-do-i-set-my-clock-in-windows-to-utc-localtime
[17:25] <pragmaticenigma> that's a handy link
[17:26] <leftyfb> people should never be hibernating. With any OS. It NEVER works 100% as it should. There is always something no put back right or something in a weird state. With SSD's and PC's the way they are today, you're really not saving yourself that much time anyway
[17:28] <tomreyn> explanation of the need for fast startup https://askubuntu.com/questions/452071/why-disable-fast-boot-on-windows-8-when-having-dual-booting
[17:28] <tomreyn> uh, i mean the need to disable fast startup
[17:28] <tomreyn> not strictly needed, but i think you want to on dual-boot with shared file systems
[17:34] <leftyfb> oh man, SO happy. Got my ISP to remove that "Security Edge" (DNS filtering) without affecting my bundle price ... AND it even brought my bill down a little bit
[17:35] <daftykins> i agree, sleep and hibernate are a waste of time
[17:35] <daftykins> leftyfb: how long was the call? :) was it a known evil ISP?
[17:40] <leftyfb> daftykins: I got a good rep. Knew exactly what I was asking for and looked up the agreement and said he didn't see anything requiring that service as part of the bundle. And yes, it's that ISP
[17:40] <leftyfb> unfortunately, unless I want DSL, it's my only option
[17:40] <daftykins> pesky 'murica, mad how things got that way
[17:41] <leftyfb> The call was 14 minutes but also included some banter
[17:41] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: Can you not configure your own DNS provider for your network?
[17:41] <leftyfb> I'm SO excited about the LTE backup modem. I've tested it twice now and it's just about instant failover
[17:42] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I can, but Comcast routes all traffic to their filtering system regardless, then out to your configured nameserver. This is why I wanted it removed.
[17:42] <daftykins> interesting, i've got a Huawei 5G router trial setup up at a clients right now - i moved all their home network onto it instead of their 40/5 Mb VDSL2
[17:42] <leftyfb> sorry, all DNS traffic
[17:43] <leftyfb> daftykins: the cable modem and LTE modem are both plugged into my Ubiquiti gateway as a failover relationship
[17:43] <daftykins> that the USG?
[17:43] <daftykins> seen those but quite happy with pfsense on amd APU boards myself :D
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I did not know that... though I've switched my DNS server over to a DNSCrypt provider... not sure they can touch that one
[17:45] <pragmaticenigma> *forwarding dns server
[17:46] <leftyfb> daftykins: yeah, the USG
[17:46] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: How would someone know if that is enabled on their connection or not?
[17:46] <daftykins> surely it's on your ISP accounts in some fashion o0
[17:46] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: they can. It's all DNS (port 53) traffic. It all gets routed through their servers regardless of how you have it configured. Unless you're not using port 53
[17:47] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: I THINK There might be some tracing you can do, but I found out from a tier 2 rep at Comcast.
[17:47] <leftyfb> "Web Filter Protection is now off.To safeguard your network, Malware, Phishing and Botnet Protection remains on."
[17:47] <leftyfb> that is pretty telling
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> Where do you find that leftyfb ?
[17:48] <leftyfb> pragmaticenigma: in the SecurityEdge portal
[17:48] <leftyfb> https://securityedge.comcast.com/ after disabling the web filtering in the top right
[17:48] <pragmaticenigma> is that accessable through the main customer service/account site?
[17:48] <leftyfb> yeah, if you have the service
[17:49] <leftyfb> I'm not sure it's available to residential accounts. I have a business account
[17:49] <pragmaticenigma> ah, it's only for business... yeah, I'm residential
[17:49] <leftyfb> I do some web and email hosting. I've got 13 static ip's
[17:50] <leftyfb> been doing it for about 20 years now :)
[17:50] <pragmaticenigma> that would explain why you wouldn't want their edge router filtering enabled
[17:50] <leftyfb> god knows what they prevent that I have no control over
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> as for my setup... I'm not sure what port dnscrypt uses... if comcast is doing any filtering, it hasn't been a problem for my purposes though
[17:51] <pragmaticenigma> *so far
[17:51] <leftyfb> looks like 443
[17:51] <leftyfb> spiffy
[17:52] <pragmaticenigma> As far as my network is concerned, PiHole is my local forwarding DNS provider, and I have that pointed to an instance of DNSCrypt, which then uses the DNSCrypt protocol to query my DNS provider
[17:53] <leftyfb> yeah, I had a pihole and it did a VERY weird thing to my network so I ripped it out. I might give it another try
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> So if there was any filtering going on at Comcast, for my network, my setup and settings are probably catching it way before theirs do
[17:53] <pragmaticenigma> leftyfb: I had a weird issue, but that was when I enabled conditional forwarding
[17:54] <leftyfb> for some reason (and it makes absolutely no sense), after a while, ALL outbound DNS traffic would stop. Regardless if I reconfigured a device to use an external nameserver. Only when I turned it off and rebooted my USG did I get dns traffic back. Makes no sense at all
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> almost sounds like what I just descibed... Conditional Forwarding was pinging my router for the DHCP registered host names... my router was just fowarding those requests back to the PiHole... created a loop
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> I'd find that I had billions of requests overnight
[17:55] <pragmaticenigma> and dns responses were timing out
[17:55] <leftyfb> maybe I'll look into that and give it another try
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> I really enjoy when friends come over and hop on my guest network and then can't do half the stuff they're used to
[17:56] <pragmaticenigma> google searches are really fun for them
[17:57] <pragmaticenigma> "click on first result.. which is always a Google ad" won't let them through
[17:57] <leftyfb> yeah, I have the pihole setup at my fathers house. He said things were broken for this ^^^ same reason
[17:57] <leftyfb> I had to explain to him
[17:57] <leftyfb> first I showed him what it would take to allow them to work
[17:58] <pragmaticenigma> I got tired of getting snared by it, I switched to using DuckDuckGo for searching now
[17:58] <leftyfb> after whitelisting 5 forwarded clickad sites, we gave up
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> The one item that's on the filtering list is geoip... which I can't figure out why... having that blocked disables so many things
[17:59] <pragmaticenigma> especially streaming providers
[20:57] <pragmaticenigma> !grub
[20:57] <ubot5> GRUB2 is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost GRUB after installing Windows? See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestoreGrub - For more information and troubleshooting for GRUB2 please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[20:58] <pragmaticenigma> !restore
[23:31] <sarnold> tomreyn: I suspect you're right, I don't see any -oem kernels on the kernel sru dashboard https://kernel.ubuntu.com/sru/dashboards/web/kernel-stable-board.html
[23:31] <tomreyn> sarnold: oh nice, i've never seen this.
[23:32] <sarnold> the baffling array of kernels makes a lot more sense after seeing this :)
[23:32] <tomreyn> sarnold: there are linux-oem's though, if only in 18.04
[23:33] <tomreyn> and focal
[23:33] <sarnold> tomreyn: I thought I left out part of that sentence when writing it.. sigh :)
[23:33] <tomreyn> so i guess that's what you mean
[23:33] <sarnold> yeah
[23:33] <sarnold> no -oems except in the LTSes
[23:33] <tomreyn> yes. but.. then i guess users' should be warned not to upgrade to 9m releases
[23:34] <tomreyn> anyways, surely someone has thought of this ;)
[23:34] <sarnold> fully agreed
[23:34] <sarnold> I'm not sure they have
[23:34] <TJ-> But it's Dell !
[23:34] <TJ-> "only LTS"
[23:35]  * tomreyn notes trolling attempt
[23:35] <sarnold> do-release-upgrade probably requires -d to take those steps but it's not at all clear that on those oem machines it's a BAD IDEA and elsewhere it's just "have fun upgrading every six months for two years"
[23:35] <tomreyn> well there's a gui where you can just switch what you'Re tracking, and there are most likely no warnings about it doing that
[23:36] <sarnold> I think it's even worse than that, I've heard some of those machines are basically locked to that release / ppa / and there's NO PLAN AT ALL for migrating off of it
[23:36] <tomreyn> software-properties-gtk --open-tab=2
[23:36] <tomreyn> did i meantion i plan to migrate to debian?
[23:37] <TJ-> sarnold: yes, that's how I understand it ... and often its only 1 LTS (the one at release time)
[23:37] <sarnold> tomreyn: aw :( we'll miss you
[23:37] <tomreyn> but i'm really trying hard to make sure that's not the case!
[23:38] <sarnold> I don't think I'll ever buy any of those 'ubuntu preinstalled' systemns. those 'enabled' repos feel pretty poorly managed to me -- not all the oems want to pay for getting the enablements necessary into upstream projects or similar
[23:39] <tomreyn> -oem was probably another potential source of revenue that was just too attractive. but, yes, i'm not sure this pays off in the long run.
[23:40] <TJ-> it's another strand of the 'embedded' kernel world really
[23:40] <tomreyn> unbreakable linux?
[23:40] <TJ-> feels rather like the Android kernel/device situation
[23:41] <TJ-> out-of-tree/hard-to-find-source modules/tweaks
[23:41] <tomreyn> a recipe for a prolonged headache
[23:42] <tomreyn> unless you can just throw load of money on it for 3 years (then dump it) because you're google, of course.