2014/12/16/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[06:07] <Mirv> sitter: doko generally has asked to keep PCH enabled. anyhow, I will follow whatever Debian decides too, and I'm curious to see whether they have the same problem or somehow magically avoid it.
[06:09] <Mirv> for the moment I'm not blocked on it since we don't use qtwebkit and I made qttools ignore qtwebkit. for this week, I'd mostly just want to have a chance to see unity8 running on qt 5.4
[06:12] <sitter> mh
[06:18] <sitter> oh on that note
[06:18] <sitter> Mirv: can you please push your qttools :)
[06:24] <Mirv> sitter: hmm sure, it's the ugly hack of removing qtwebkit for now, but it works. let me add a clear note about it first.
[06:25] <Mirv> sitter: pushed.
[06:25] <sitter> thanks
[06:43] <sitter> Mirv: ah, fwiw, I think I found the cause of the broken pch http://paste.ubuntu.com/9537448/ for some reason that doesn't get reported with the 3 million arguments used in the build normally
[06:43]  * Mirv pushed some more svg, multimedia, location too
[06:44] <sitter> also for good measure I was unable to find any other build log anywhere on the internet that also used pch for Qt5WebKitWidgets, perhaps the problem is that suddenly it started to precompile for us ^^
[06:44] <sitter> Mirv: hehe, cool beans, thanks 
[06:45] <Mirv> sitter: right... pch has been enabled for all but arm64 in qtbase, but I don't know the logic of it being used for the submodules. I'd assume it's enabled if it's enabled in qtbase.
[06:45] <Mirv> sitter: pch disabling for just qtwebkit shouldn't be a problem
[06:48] <sitter> considering upstream doesn't test with pch I do wonder if we really should enable it at all ^^
[06:48] <sitter> but yeah, qtbase pch would make qt_module.prf/qt_module_headers.prf force pch for all qt modules so I guess that explains it
[06:48]  * sitter slowly backs away from qtwebkit
[07:01] <sitter> kubotu: newversion phonon 4.8.3
[07:01] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402947
[07:01] <sitter> kubotu: newversion phonon-backend-vlc 0.8.2
[07:01] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402948
[07:02] <sitter> kubotu: newversion phonon-backend-gstreamer 4.8.1
[07:02] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1402949
[07:02] <sitter> Riddell, yofel, shadeslayer ^
[07:02] <sitter> shadeslayer: libphonon only contains debian relevant stuff so you can slap sune with the commits
[07:42] <soee> good morning
[08:36] <sitter> wgrant: can I please get a bump to 5g for https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+packages
[08:36] <wgrant> sitter: Done.
[08:36] <sitter> thank you :)
[08:37] <sitter> Mirv: qtsvg ... Missing build dependencies: libqt5opengl5-dev (>= 5.4.0+dfsg~) <- wouldn't >=5.4.0 be more appropriate?
[08:38] <Mirv> sitter: oh, I committed it like that since I'm pulling Debian's first qtbase upload with +dfsg in right now..
[08:39] <Mirv> I'd have done the prune-nonfree myself but I wouldn't have gotten bit-for-bit identical tarball
[08:39] <sitter> Mirv: even so, the dfsgness of the source should have no impact on the compat, should it?
[08:40] <Mirv> sitter: it shouldn't but again Debian has the +dfsg dependencies in qtsvg, and eventually I will anyway just sync qtsvg from Debian instead of having a separate packaging for it in Ubuntu
[08:40] <Mirv> but if it helps your work, I can commit the +dfsg removal to the Ubuntu branch for now
[08:41] <Mirv> (pushed)
[08:42] <sitter> thx 
[08:43] <sitter> Riddell, shadeslayer: someone should find an alitoh sysadmin and have them look into the IO blockage
[08:52] <lordievader> Good morning
[09:19] <bukai> Riddell: ping ping!
[09:21] <sitter> uh
[09:21] <sitter> Mirv: can you push qtxmlpatterns as well please :)
[09:22] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[09:23] <bukai> Riddell: I have sorted out all the problems that were there before, except the design of the news page, It currently looks like ->http://wstaw.org/w/35YQ/ I am unable to modify it further. Any idea how to do it?
[09:24] <Riddell> bukai: looks find like that, what's wrong with it?
[09:27] <bukai_> Riddell: I mean do I need to install wp on the server?
[09:27] <Riddell> sitter: closing your phonon bugs, those were in last week
[09:27] <Riddell> bukai_: yeah i guess so
[09:28] <bukai_> Riddell: and what do i do with the news page?
[09:28] <Riddell> bukai_: how do you mean?
[09:29] <sitter> huh :O
[09:29] <sitter> Riddell: uscan'd?
[09:29] <sitter> cool, also very scary considering I forgot to announce the release last week ^^
[09:29] <Riddell> that's how good we are
[09:29] <Riddell> actually a code-in student did it
[09:30] <bukai_> Riddell: the design of the news post page is currently ->http://wstaw.org/w/35YQ/ how do I improve it?
[09:31] <bukai_> soee: ping
[09:32] <Riddell> bukai_: looks fine to me, most people won't look at the news page they'll look at the feed on the front page
[09:33] <sitter> Mirv: patch disabling pch on affected architectures attached to bug 1395661
[09:33] <ubottu> bug 1395661 in qtwebkit-opensource-src (Ubuntu) "Qt Webkit fails to build against Qt 5.4.0 on amd64 and powerpc" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1395661
[09:33] <bukai_> Riddell: ok, great. Btw are there any more things I need to implement?
[09:33] <soee> hey bukai_
[09:35] <Riddell> bukai_: getting wordpress up and running and getting it to be a reasonable load on the server for one :)
[09:38] <bukai> Riddell: test.kubuntu.co.uk is also a wp theme right? so can i use the same database and just activate my theme?
[09:38] <Riddell> bukai: yes I think so
[09:38] <sitter> ^ needs performance and load profiling
[09:38] <Tm_T> Riddell: factoid updated
[09:38] <bukai> ovidiu-florin: ping
[09:39] <bukai> Riddell: ok, thanks.
[09:39] <Mirv> sitter: pushed qtxmlpatterns, and big thanks for the webkit patch! I was trying to search for such a parameter.
[09:43] <Mirv> I'll update webkit, tools branches as I get the fix verified
[09:45] <Riddell> bukai: bcooksley has some ideas on how to help performance
[09:45] <Riddell> or it can just be hosted on aws
[09:46] <bukai> Riddell: thats great so how do I improve the performance? 
[09:46] <sitter> Riddell: that sounds expensive
[09:47] <bukai> Riddell: we do not need aws actually
[09:47] <sitter> what would be an option is putting static assets (i.e. images and css) on cloudfront or an s3 bucket
[09:48] <sitter> that should reduce load already quite a bit
[09:48] <sitter> question then is just how many concurrent connections apache is willing and able to take
[09:48] <sitter> hence the profiling need
[09:49] <sitter> without knowing what to expect it's hard to say how to make it not fall over on release days ^^
[09:50] <bukai> sitter: we can easily know the load on release days
[09:51] <sitter> bukai: you'd probably have to ask canonical sysadmins what the current load peaks on kubuntu.org are
[09:52] <bukai> no I have added google analytics to it. So Riddell can tell us the exact load
[09:52] <bukai> sitter: ^^
[09:53] <sitter> bukai: that would mean 15.04 needs to release with the old site though
[09:54] <sitter> unless you added it before the 14.10 release that is ^^
[09:55] <bukai> sitter: I have finished with the site I just need to put it on the server
[09:55] <Riddell> bukai: dunno ask bcooksley (new zealand timezone)
[09:55] <sitter> yeah, but to make sure that the new server can handle the load we need to have metrics from previous releases
[09:56] <bukai> Riddell: do you remember the analytics config?
[09:59] <sitter> seems to me the existing kubuntu.org uses analytics as well, is that ours or canonical's?
[10:00] <sitter> Riddell: ^
[10:03] <Riddell> sitter: it's ours
[10:03] <sitter> Riddell: has that been there before 14.10 release?
[10:06] <bukai> Riddell: on which server is the kubuntu.org hosted?
[10:15] <Riddell> bukai: a canonical server to which we don't have access
[10:15] <Riddell> sitter: about 24 hours before yes
[10:15] <sitter> Riddell: please be adding me to the analytics
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[10:41] <sitter> average load time of a page 2.5 to 5 seconds
[10:41] <sitter> oh my
[10:47] <soee> woot woot
[10:47] <soee> what page ?
[10:48] <sitter> kubuntu.org average
[10:49] <sitter> mh, bukai gone
[10:55] <soee> wrr there is ~7 separate css files, same with JS, concatenate them, minify, move JS to footer, compress code - be sure gzip is used
[10:55] <soee> also images can be optimized be stripping not needed data
[10:56] <sitter> sooo
[11:11] <sitter> peak on release day was 1245 (hourly value), so including a random number of people that would have analytics/js deactivated a worst case stress test would be 13k concurrent acceses
[11:12] <sitter> alternativley for more realistic stress testing ... average pages per session that day were 2.6, so I'd ceil that again to be on the save side
[11:14] <sitter> average session time was 2:16 minutes, so ideally one would distribute 1.3k sessions where each session loads 3 pages over the course of 2:16 minutes possibly randomized a la rand() %3/(2+(16/60%60)) or some such nonesense
[11:15] <sitter> depending on how one were to conduct the stress test one could possibly also directly mimic behavior in terms of which pageas are fetched (e.g. 31% of sessions would start on / and of those 22% would leave again...)
[11:15] <sitter> bukai, Riddell ^
[11:16] <sitter> Riddell: also FWIW, 2 minutes session time sounds a bit disappointing, I think the release announcements might not have been snazzy enough
[11:18] <Pali> Riddell: ping, have you looked at my ppa?
[11:21] <Riddell> Pali: no sorry was hoping to have a helper in to do that, got vivid alpha 1 and plasma to do then I hoep to get onto it
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[11:48] <Riddell> !testers | alpha 1 candidates (I've no idea if todays image even boots)
[11:48] <ubottu> alpha 1 candidates (I've no idea if todays image even boots): Help is needed in #kubuntu-devel. Please ping Riddell, yofel, soee, Tm_T, shadeslayer, BluesKaj, James147, Quintasan, lordievader, shrini, tester56, parad1se, mamarley, alket, SourBlues, gclark, neo31  for information
[11:49] <Riddell> Tm_T: sgclark is not gclark :) ↑
[11:49] <soee> well system works for me superb :) didn't try isos though
[11:50] <Riddell> isos is what needs testing
[11:50] <soee> Riddell: later at home, to much work atm :/
[11:53] <bukai> Riddell: Can you give me ovidiu-florin email id?
[11:53] <Riddell> Ovidiu-Florin Bogdan <ovidiu.b13@ gmail.com>
[11:53] <bukai> Riddell: thanks
[11:53] <Riddell> bukai: https://paste.kde.org/pzc2sspd2
[11:53] <Riddell> what sitter said while you were away
[11:56] <bukai> Riddell: I have seen it.
[11:58] <bukai> Riddell: but how do we change i.e. improve that??
[11:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: aah copy paste error, I'll fix that
[11:58] <Tm_T> Riddell: sorry
[11:59] <Tm_T> Riddell: fixed
[12:03] <Riddell> thanks Tm_T :)
[12:13] <bukai> Riddell: ping
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[12:19] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[12:21] <bukai> Riddell: if the load time of the current site is long the new will be longer as it has more images and stuff compared to the old 1
[12:21] <bukai> how do we resolve that?
[12:22] <sitter> the problem most likely is badly compressed pngs and a general overuse of pngs
[12:22] <Riddell> bukai: I'd worry about settings it up before premature optimisation
[12:22] <sitter> I wouldn't worry to much about this for now
[12:23] <Riddell> sitter: oh it's tuesday, can I make plasma depend on qt 5.4 yet?
[12:23] <sitter> nope
[12:23] <Riddell> aww
[12:23] <bukai> ok , I am working on the setup part !
[12:23] <sitter> almost there though my magic grep says
[12:24] <shadeslayer> whats magical about your grep
[12:24] <sitter> it is smarter than me, must be magic
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[12:49] <Riddell> frameworks all compiled in archive but arm and powerpc holding it up as usual
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[13:00] <bukai> Riddell: I have made changes to a blank html5 theme and created several page. Will the pages be an integral part of the modified theme?
[13:06] <Riddell> bukai: I'm not sure what that means
[13:08] <bukai> Riddell: No problem I have figured it out! :)
[13:12] <sitter> chrome tab movement is totally not fluxbox compatible :@
[13:29] <shadeslayer> sitter: fluxbox? :O
[13:30] <sitter> it's the supremest box
[13:30] <shadeslayer> :O
[13:30] <mamarley> But kwin!
[13:30] <sitter> is not a box
[13:31] <sitter> fatal flaw right there
[13:35] <shadeslayer> true enough ^^
[13:36] <mamarley> mv /usr/bin/kwin /usr/bin/kwin-box
[13:42] <Mirv> sitter: oh... one missing, thanks!
[14:18] <mparillo> Alpha 1 Candidate is not here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds Is it just the regular daily? And does it ship 5.1.2 which is supposed to resolve https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=340966
[14:18] <ubottu> KDE bug 340966 in general "Plasma 5 crashes maximizing VMware Player" [Crash,Resolved: fixed]
[14:20] <Riddell> mparillo: just set up http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[14:20] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[14:20] <Riddell> mparillo: alas most of plasma 5.1.2 is still building
[14:20] <Riddell> mparillo: but testing welcomed
[14:21] <sgclark> is there a amd64 build? I need to do a reinstall anyway..
[14:22] <soee> there should be i installed it liek 2 days ago 
[14:22] <soee> from staging then i think
[14:22] <mparillo> I will look again. Alas, I without the fix promised in 5.1.2, I can pretty much only test a clean install. Small (virtual) screen is a big handicap.
[14:23] <Riddell> sgclark: yep ↑
[14:23] <sgclark> cool, backup up all my stuff first :)
[14:26] <sitter> qt54 build stack almost staged \o/
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[14:35] <Riddell> since I started using git all my svn commands get run with -a and then I have to run them again without
[14:55] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 1400730 needs some ~ubuntu-sru love
[14:55] <ubottu> bug 1400730 in libxext (Ubuntu Utopic) "libxext fills up .xsession-errors log files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1400730
[15:08] <sitter> Mirv: it appears qtscript is broken again https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/stage/+build/6653113
[15:08]  * sitter heading out for tea
[15:27]  * shadeslayer ponders about exporting QT_SELECT=5 via pkg-kde-tools
[15:59] <Riddell> ooh live image is working :)
[16:34] <Riddell> only armhf to go for kf5!
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[16:59] <kranzer> Riddell: hello, are you here?
[17:04] <Riddell> hi kranzer 
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[17:08] <kranzer> Riddell: when will new tasks be published?
[17:09] <Riddell> dunno, I felt a bit overloaded with all the ones last week
[17:09] <Riddell> and I don't have any immediate ideas
[17:09] <Riddell> oh you could package calligra 2.9 beta
[17:09] <Riddell> but as I say I don't have much energy to mentor it
[17:10] <Riddell> you could test kubuntu alpha 1 candidates
[17:10] <Riddell> that would be cool
[17:10] <kranzer> Riddell: will it be as a task?
[17:11] <Riddell> yep, I can add that now
[17:11] <kranzer> ri
[17:11] <Riddell> iso testing here if you want to start http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[17:11] <kranzer> Riddell: I'm not able right now
[17:11] <kranzer> Riddell: I have a task
[17:14] <kranzer> Riddell: couldn't you tell me how I can find Nicolas Brisset?
[17:14] <Riddell> never heard of him
[17:15] <kranzer> Riddell: clear(
[17:15] <Riddell> nicolas.brisset@ free.fr
[17:15] <Riddell> says identity.kde.org
[17:16] <kranzer> Riddell: I don't know the channel(
[17:17] <Riddell> kranzer: for what?
[17:17] <kranzer> Riddell: task
[17:17] <Riddell> kranzer: what task?
[17:17] <kranzer> Riddell: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2014/5549624853004288
[17:19] <Riddell> kranzer: it probably has no irc channel, the website points to a mailing list https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kst
[17:20] <kranzer> Riddell: oh, then could you publish that task?
[17:20] <Riddell> kranzer: the alpha testing one? I can ask an admin to do it
[17:21] <kranzer> Riddell: please, ask him)
[17:21] <Riddell> kranzer: asked, but go ahead and start
[17:21] <Riddell> worst case someone else claims it and we get two testers, no bad thing :)
[17:22] <kranzer> Riddell: it isn't published yet
[17:23] <Riddell> kranzer: right, I can't publish it, we'll need to wait for an admin to do that, but you can go ahead and start the task
[17:24] <kranzer> Riddell: please, give me links)
[17:25] <Riddell> kranzer: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[17:25] <Riddell> download iso images
[17:25] <Riddell> install virtualbox if that's what you want to use
[17:25] <Riddell> or get a usb key if you want to use real hardware
[17:26] <Riddell> and install, using different languages and the different install methods the iso.qa site asks for
[17:26] <kranzer> Riddell: ohhh, I can't install now
[17:27] <Riddell> kranzer: why not?
[17:27] <kranzer> I have to use different computers(
[17:27] <Riddell> you can use virtualbox or another virtual machine
[17:29] <kranzer> Riddell: virtual machines are very annoying and my computer starts lagging while using them
[17:29] <yofel> too much resources allocated to the VM?
[17:30] <bukai> Riddell: I spoke to ovidiu-florin , setting up will not be a problem as he has already installed wp on the server for his site!
[17:30] <yofel> hm? test.kubuntu.co.uk is a wp install in his dir, yes...
[17:32] <bukai> yofel: yes! can I create another user or only he can do it?
[17:33] <Riddell> anyone can
[17:33] <Riddell> bukai: what do you need?
[17:34] <bukai> I want to import my database and activate the kubuntu theme
[17:34] <yofel> bukai: user in wp or on the server?
[17:34] <yofel> wp
[17:35] <bukai> yofel: wp
[17:36] <Riddell> bukai: why not get your own install of wordpress?
[17:38] <bukai> Riddell: wont it burden the server if wordpress is installed twice?
[17:38] <yofel> well, the other one already has the posts, so just adding the theme there would be easiest
[17:38] <yofel> bukai: hardly if you don't access it
[17:40] <bukai> yofel: the newone also has all the posts!
[17:40] <bukai> just adding the theme wont be enough 
[17:40] <bukai> database has to be imported
[17:41] <yofel> well yeah, I just said that the other one already has those
[17:41] <yofel> but adding a bunch of files and a mysql DB is hardly a burden on the server if nobody accesses the instance
[17:42] <Riddell> bukai: I set up http://test2.kubuntu.co.uk/
[17:42] <Riddell> in your home directory
[17:42] <Riddell> you can install wordpress there if you like
[17:44] <bukai> Riddell: thanks, I will install wordpress there only!
[17:45] <bukai> Riddell: how do I import my database there?
[17:46] <Riddell> bukai: do you want a new mysql database?
[17:46] <bukai> yes
[17:47] <Riddell> bukai: do you know how to set up a new mysql database and mysql user?
[17:48] <bukai> no that I know , I want to know how to import an existing database
[17:57] <bukai> Riddell: Sorry I got disconnected , so I am not sure if you told me to how to import the database
[18:00] <Riddell> bukai: I set up a new databae
[18:00] <Riddell> dunno what you want to import or how to do it
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[18:14] <bukau> Riddell: I cant find any database called test2, there is one called test
[18:15] <Riddell> bukau: works for me, what are you doing?
[18:16] <bukau> Riddell: when you do show databases how many database are there?
[18:17] <Riddell> bukau: three
[18:17] <Riddell> https://paste.kde.org/pnkr1jhfl
[18:26]  * yofel installs some updates on that server. It's been a while since someone did that...
[18:39]  * Riddell out
[19:45] <soee> heyho
[19:56] <Riddell> hi soee are you able to do any testing this evening?
[20:08] <yofel> hm, we don't want to have a single-desktop pager in the taskbar, do we?
[20:09] <soee> Riddell: can you give me link to iso ?
[20:09] <yofel> at least not while it's useless, setting it to show desktop on click would be a replacement to the missing show desktop widget
[20:09] <yofel> soee: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/milestones/328/builds
[20:10] <soee> im not usre why but konversation always disables me notification for this channel
[20:12] <soee> so slow downloading :/
[20:13] <soee> ok with kget it seems faster
[20:22] <yofel> hm, we should kill kubuntu-settings-active/-netbook for p5
[20:25] <Riddell> yofel++ 
[20:32] <yofel> on the positive side, upgrading works pretty well
[20:34] <Riddell> oh really? that's great
[20:34] <Riddell> I wonder if we should care about utopic plasma 5 users for upgrades
[20:34] <Riddell> I always said we wouldn't
[20:35] <yofel> I didn't test that... can do a run later
[20:36] <Riddell> I'm worried I've screwed up khelpcenter
[20:36] <Riddell> but uploaded kde-runtime with khelpcenter (not khelpcenter4) 14.12.0
[20:36] <Riddell> I did delete it from -proposed but I fear the danger is done
[20:37] <Riddell> wgrant: do you know if there's a way out of that?
[20:37] <macstar> anyone knows when the kde 4.14.3 will make it into the kubuntu-updates or kubuntu-backports ppa?
[20:37] <yofel> Riddell: I see 4.11.97 khelpcenter in proposed
[20:37] <yofel> cache update...
[20:37] <yofel> *14.11.97
[20:39] <yofel> hm, still there
[20:39] <Riddell> maybe I failed to delete something
[20:40] <Riddell> don't have my laptop here to check
[20:40] <yofel>  khelpcenter | 4:5.1.2-0ubuntu1    | vivid-proposed/universe | source
[20:40] <yofel>  khelpcenter | 4:14.11.97-0ubuntu1 | vivid-proposed/universe | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
[20:41] <Riddell> hmm I thought I'd deleted the binaries
[20:52] <yofel> macstar: for which release?
[20:52] <macstar> yofel 14.04
[20:55] <yofel> hm, that seems to ended up in some black hole with all the releases lately :/
[20:55] <yofel> *have ended
[20:56] <yofel> macstar: can't say when really, as soon as someone has time for it
[20:56] <macstar> yofel no hurry mate ;) just wanted to be sure it will still come :P
[20:59] <soee> do you also have this in VB when trying to boot image http://wstaw.org/m/2014/12/16/kubuntu-14.10-plasma6-about.png ?
[21:09] <soee> cant boot the iso on my VM, have this video problem each time
[21:11] <soee> ok i switched off both options in Acceleration tab, now it works
[21:15] <kfunk> another plasma 5 question: does krunner work fine for you? it's flickering heavily over here, like turning completely black after each key stroke (this has been the case all the time for me)
[21:17] <soee> kfunk: works pretty nice for me for a long time
[21:17] <kfunk> good to know, so it's really just me, probably NVidia related again :/
[21:18] <soee> im on nvidia to :)
[21:18] <soee> optimus tech, nvidia profile on
[21:18] <kfunk> soee: hm, question: do you have desktop effects enabled? i.e. running in composite mode?
[21:19] <soee> kfunk: yes
[21:19] <kfunk> could you try turning them off and check again?
[21:19] <kfunk> shift+alt+f12
[21:19] <soee> same
[21:19] <soee> works fine
[21:19] <yofel> *krunner* works fine, but the plasma popups when hovering over the panel flicker for me as well when they fade
[21:20] <kfunk> yeah, that looks odd here as well
[21:20] <kfunk> funny thing is, with compositing enabled, it gets a lot *better*
[21:20] <soee> im on propriety drivers 343 but 346 also worked well
[21:21] <kfunk> no flickering anymore both for the panel and for krunner
[21:29] <soee> woho sddm works in VM -.-
[21:32] <soee> im not sue if its because small VM window but when i open menu (kicker or how it is called) i see only favourites no any tabs to switch 
[21:32] <kranzer> Riddell: hi
[21:33] <kranzer> Riddell: I've just claimed that task
[21:33] <kranzer> Riddell: what VM can I use?
[21:34] <yofel> Virtualbox or KVM is what you'll want to use usually
[21:34] <kranzer> yofel: Can I do it from Windows?
[21:34] <yofel> Virtualbox runs on Win too, yeah
[21:35] <kranzer> yofel: cause my ubuntu is a bit laggy
[21:36] <yofel> not sure why it would do that... but sure
[21:53] <shadeslayer> sitter: do you really need include /usr/share/pkg-kde-tools/qt-kde-team/3/debian-qt-kde.mk for konversation?
[21:54] <shadeslayer> or will the kf5 helper be enough?
[21:59] <wgrant> Riddell: You've got a bad binary version? We can make versions go backwards in some circumstances when there's no other reasonable option.
[22:13] <soee> Riddell: i can do more test tomorrow, today i have to go sleep soon
[22:13] <soee> *tests
[22:38] <debfx> sooo when can I expect a kubuntu spin with trinity? :P
[22:41] <yofel> uh, they have their own images, so that's already there? ^^
[22:42] <debfx> if they load as fast as their screenshots it'll take years to download
[22:42] <yofel> heh, true
[22:43] <yofel> so, a plain utopic+next upgrade to vivid works fine so we should be good on that side
[22:43] <yofel> even has the correct default web browser, unlike the main upgrade
[22:43] <valorie> cool!
[22:43] <valorie> I might do this after xmas then
[22:44] <valorie> too busy atm with gci and such
[22:48] <debfx> wow, they even have their own launchpad instance
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