2014/11/20/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:02] <valorie> Riddell: thanks for updating the PPA page
[00:02] <valorie> I edited it for wiki weirdnesses such as extra quote marks and such
[00:03] <valorie> we should perhaps do a short news story on kubuntu.org with that information
[00:03] <valorie> "Neon5 is dead, long live kubuntu-CI" sort of thing
[01:24] <rx_> hows the kubuntu-ci unstable weekly ppa?
[01:25] <sgclark> no clue, have not used it sorry
[01:27] <rx_> ok ;o)
[04:19] <ScottK> Riddell: Excellent.
[06:09] <lordievader> Good morning.
[07:57] <Riddell> woo images! http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/20141120/
=== turgay_ is now known as turgay
[08:32] <Riddell> well no sddm on the image, it would help if I updated kubuntu-meta
[08:35] <JackWolfSkin_> :'<
[08:55] <soee> Riddell: ping
[08:56] <Riddell> hi soee 
[08:58] <soee> Riddell: i have one question, i have updated kactivities on Vivid to the version from kubuntu-ci/unstable to get shortcuts to switch activities and it works but, does other packages has to be updated also? Im asking because now if i go to app or window settings where usually i can force to load app on given activity i dont see the one i defined 
[08:59] <soee> so i have 3 activities defined, and in app settings i see only option fo force to load on All activities but not single one
[09:00] <Riddell> soee: I've no idea I'm afraid, there's been work in activities happening and maybe it's not all forwards compatible, you'd need to ask ivan the plasma activities person
[09:01] <soee> Riddell: ok, thank you
[09:01] <soee> lordievader: ping :)
[09:19] <soee_> the kubutnu-ci updates want to remove: kubuntu-plasma5-desktop plasma-desktop thats fine ?
[09:19] <Riddell> I doubt it
[09:19] <Riddell> soee_: utopic or vivid?
[09:21] <soee_> Riddell: vivid
[09:21] <soee_> one sec
[09:22] <soee_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/9118309/
[09:34] <Riddell> soee_: well removing plasma-desktop isn't good for sure
[09:37] <soee_> yeah, it want to remove it but installs plasma-desktop-data
[09:55] <JackWolfSkin_> soee: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -s -o 'Debug::pkgProblemResolver=true'
[10:21] <Riddell> JackWolfSkin_: you have a logo! http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ci.png
[10:21] <Riddell> sunrise new every morning
[10:23] <valorie> geez, looks .... prickly
[10:27] <Riddell> now with slogan
[10:28] <Riddell> jens has told me to get back in packaging cave :)
[10:30] <shadeslayer> rightly so
[10:30] <shadeslayer> :P
[10:31] <Riddell> oh I'm hurt, I put my soul into that piece of artwork!
[10:31] <Riddell> but should be good enough for a blog post
[10:46]  * Riddell blogs https://blogs.kde.org/2014/11/20/kubuntu-ci-replacement-project-neon
[11:02] <bukai> Riddell: ping
[11:04] <bukai> Riddell: For the blogs , do I keep all the data on the page or store it in the database and call it according to the date of post? 
[11:41] <lordievader> soee: pong
[11:47] <Riddell> hi bukai 
[11:47] <bukai> Riddell: Hi
[11:48] <Riddell> bukai: I'm not sure I understand the question
[11:48] <Riddell> bukai: wire.kubuntu.org is its own site
[11:48] <Riddell> the cms on www.kubuntu.org needs to query for it
[11:48] <Riddell> the new stories on www.kubuntu.org are stories in the www.kubuntu.org cms
[11:48] <Riddell> the news stories on www.kubuntu.org are stories in the www.kubuntu.org cms
[11:49] <Riddell> jmux: do you have a phone number incase I get lost on the way to limux tomorrow?
[11:51] <bukai> Riddell: ok, I got it! So I have to query wire.kubuntu.org for all the blogs? 
[11:56] <soee> lordievader: you are on kubuntu-ci/unstable right ?
[11:57] <lordievader> soee: One box is, yes.
[11:58] <soee> JackWolfSkin_: the output of the command you posted http://paste.ubuntu.com/9121237/
[11:58] <soee> lordievader: coud you do one check ?
[11:59] <lordievader> soee: Not at the moment.
[12:00] <soee> lordievader: ok
[12:00] <lordievader> soee: Shall I notify you when I'm able to test something?
[12:00] <Riddell> bukai: yes, I expect there are ways in wordpress to get an rss feed
[12:01] <Riddell> jens changed my Kubuntu CI image, I'm not sure which one I prefer http://wstaw.org/m/2014/11/20/sunrise.png
[12:01] <soee> lordievader: yes please
[12:04] <bukai> Riddell: I decided to convert the theme to wp once the entire site is complete , so to implement the news part we need to convert it now?
[12:07] <Riddell> bukai: well you can use some dummy placeholder text
[12:10] <bukai> Riddell: For wordpress blogs just sitename/rss/ give the xml data is there a similar thing that I can implement on wire.kubuntu.org?
[12:14] <Riddell> bukai: it will already have an rss feed
[12:15] <Riddell> (it is wordpress too)
[12:15] <Riddell> and you'll need a wordpress module to read the rss feed and display it on www.kubuntu.org
[12:16] <Riddell> allee: do youo remember where we met last year on the friday for lunch?
[12:16] <Riddell> allee: it was a central square in muich
[12:16] <Riddell> debfx: ?
[12:16] <bukai> Riddell: If i get the rss feed of wire.kubuntu.org then parsing it won't be that much problem i guess
[12:17] <Riddell> bukai: right
[12:17] <Riddell> bukai: http://wire.kubuntu.org/?feed=rss2
[12:19] <bukai> Riddell: Ok, thanks. Then I guess I can try to implement the real thing without dummy data.
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:27] <soee> hi BluesKaj
[12:28]  * soee needs some hot tea
[12:28] <BluesKaj> hi soee
=== rdieter_ is now known as rdieter
[12:59] <sgclark> morning
[13:11] <BluesKaj> is sddm going to be default in 15.04 plasma 5 in the near future, no real reason for my query, just curious.
[13:13] <shadeslayer> yeah probably
[13:18] <Riddell> already is
[13:20] <Riddell> well no seems my image rebuild didn't happen, maybe tomorrow
[13:24] <BluesKaj> not default here, still lightdm
[13:24] <Riddell> well it only went in a couple of hours ago
[13:26] <BluesKaj> not much of a fan of the present greeter page, altho I assume that's the default image for both.
[13:26] <soee> keep in mind that sddm wont work with hybrid graphics
[13:26] <BluesKaj> no hybrid gpus here
[13:31] <jmux> Riddell: +49 89 233 82244
[13:32] <jmux> That's the room of the BSP
[13:40] <Riddell> thanks jmux 
[14:28] <gandalf> Hi there, I have a problem installing kubuntu 14.10 - plasma 5 version - from usb. I created a bootable usb key with usb-creator, which boots ok but then hangs with an error message "can't open /lib/init/init-d-script". creating a usb key with kubuntu 14.10 (old plasma version) worked fine
[14:29] <Riddell> gandalf: so kubuntu-plasma5 iso has the problem but kubuntu iso does not?
[14:29] <gandalf> yes thats right
[14:30] <Riddell> gandalf: in the first instance I'd blame usb-creator because it's known to be problematic, try doing a dd if=foo.iso of=/dev/sdX  to make the usb drive
[14:30] <gandalf> ok i will try that 
[14:30] <Riddell> use lsblk to see what sdX should be
[14:31] <gandalf> would it be sdc or rather sdc1 ?
[14:31] <Riddell> sdc
[14:31] <gandalf> ok thanks
[14:32] <gandalf> unmount first?
[14:32] <Riddell> gandalf: ↑
[14:32] <Riddell> yes
[14:32] <Riddell> or just don't mount in the first place
[14:32] <alket-w> that will take forever , try adding a parmeter with 4M or something
[14:32] <gandalf> how would i do that in detail
[14:32] <alket-w> gandalf: add at the end: bs=4M
[14:33] <gandalf> ok, it's running now
[14:33] <gandalf> lets wait and see
[14:36] <gandalf> dd has finished, but i cannot mount the usb device now which makes me think something failed ..
[14:37] <alket-w> gandalf: try booting with it
[14:37] <gandalf> ok ill try
[14:37] <alket-w> dd does "Disck Copy" so someimes its in binary mode or something
[14:38] <gandalf> boots ok so far
[14:38] <gandalf> aah.. now the same error. Can't open /lib/init/init-d-script
[14:39] <alket-w> then its kubuntu error :)
[14:39] <gandalf> seems so ;-)
[14:40] <gandalf> what's the best alternative of installing the plasma5 version then? adding the next ppa did not work very well for me
[14:40] <alket-w> gandalf: did you compare the md5 of iso ?
[14:40] <gandalf> no, i didnt. but i tried with several downloads, both amd64 and i386, always the same problem
[14:42] <BluesKaj> gandalf, try this ppa, https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ci/+archive/ubuntu/unstable/+index?field.series_filter=
[14:43] <shadeslayer> waht
[14:43] <shadeslayer> no
[14:43] <shadeslayer> that PPA by definition is unstable
[14:43] <gandalf> is that so unstable it will eat my children?
[14:43] <shadeslayer> and might not work
[14:44] <BluesKaj> gandalf, actually it's quite stable..been using it for a few days now
[14:45] <gandalf> when adding the next ppa to a kubuntu 14.10 installation, i found not everything was upgraded correctly. would that presumably be better with the kubuntu-ci ppa?
[14:45]  * alket-w is waiting for 15.04 to dive into plasma 5
[14:45] <BluesKaj> yes
[14:45] <gandalf> on my laptop it is running quite well, so i considered moving another computer to plasma5
[14:46] <BluesKaj> gandalf, make sure you have your 14.10 packages up to date
[14:46] <gandalf> yes i have
[14:47] <BluesKaj> running 15.04 here with plasma 5 on a Lenovo G500 laptop
[14:47] <gandalf> i found that upgrading with the instructions on the kubuntu website didnt work, only after an additional dist-upgrade the relevant packages were installed
[14:48] <gandalf> are there 15.04 plasma5 isos available?
[14:50] <lordievader> gandalf: If you are going to run 15.04 expect breakage. If you add the unstable ci ppa, expect more breakage ;)
[14:50] <gandalf> :-)
[14:50] <gandalf> any idea what the problem is with the plasma5-14.10 iso?
[14:53] <jmux> shadeslayer: you're still unconfirmed in the wiki for the weekend - guess you're comming? Same for apachelogger.
[14:53] <shadeslayer> yep, I'm coming
[14:54] <shadeslayer> I don't remember the login name for my w.d.o account xD
[14:54] <shadeslayer> just add me
[14:54] <shadeslayer> I'm coming in at 9ish
[14:54] <shadeslayer> jmux: ^^ Can I come to the office at 10/11ish ?
[14:54] <shadeslayer> and hack from there
[14:55] <jmux> shadeslayer: Won't have Internet at that time. And we'll still be moving stuff around. Otherwise yes.
[14:56] <shadeslayer> oh heh
[14:56] <shadeslayer> kind of useless then :P
[14:56] <shadeslayer> jmux: meetup for Lunch then?
[14:58] <jmux> shadeslayer: Everything should be ready at 12:00 - there is a reason, why the official start is at 18:00. We have to do cooking, shopping, etc.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[14:59] <jmux> From the point of the room - shopping for 40 people for a weekend will take us at least 3 hrs. Food will be ready at the evening.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:00] <sgclark> have fun guys, wish I could be there :(
[15:00] <jmux> Snakcs and drinks will be there. And some KDE PIM people want to ba around at 12:00, Riddell too and others.
[15:01] <Riddell> my flight gets in at 13:45 I think, I don't expect to come to the office until 18:00
[15:02] <jmux> Riddell: Ok - then it was somebody else - lot of non-local people ask, if they could show up earlier
[15:06] <yofel> I'll be in Munich around 4 but I have to go to the hotel first, so I'll be there sometime between 6 and 7.
[15:06] <Riddell> yofel: see you in the limux office then
[15:22] <lordievader> soee: ping
[15:23] <soee> lordievader: could you please create 2 or 3 activities, than click on some app window decoration and go to App settings ant try to force this app to be loaded only on one of the existing activities ?
[15:23] <soee> *i want to know if they are listed there in app settings screen
[15:24] <soee> btw FFmpeg returns to ubuntu repos :)
[15:25] <BluesKaj> ffmpeg is back...yes!
[15:27] <lordievader> soee: I can move Dolphin just fine from one activity to another, if that is what you mean.
[15:44] <soee> lordievader: click on Additional App Settings
[15:44] <soee> there is a tab Size & Placement or something
[15:45] <soee> than Activity -> Force -> (should be able to pick one of the defined)
[15:45] <lordievader> You mean the Special Application Settings menu?
[15:45] <soee> yes probably :) i have interface in Polsih atm
[15:46] <soee> so if you set as i said, when app is launching it is moved to selected activity
[15:47] <lordievader> The dropdown menu only show [blank] and All Activities...
[15:48] <soee> lordievader: ah ok, so same as here, thank you for confirmation
[15:49] <soee> though if we open Kwin Rules from System Settings, we can pick activity there for selected app
[15:50] <lordievader> soee: Not here, same thing, blank and all.
[15:50] <soee> try again, i had 2 apps added there
[15:51] <soee> on first it was blank, than i opened secodn and had them
[15:52] <lordievader> Hmm, yes for the second they do show up.
[16:03] <Riddell> patches up on bug 1393479
[16:03] <ubottu> bug 1393479 in kde-runtime (Ubuntu Vivid) "security: Insufficient Input Validation By IO Slaves and Webkit Part" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1393479
[16:46] <soee> any devs around ?
[16:50] <allee> Riddell: wasn't it in a restauraunt in the cellar of the town hall?  Marien Platz
[16:52] <shadeslayer> soee: ssup
[17:01] <Riddell> allee: yep
[17:04] <allee> Riddell: Ratskeller: https://www.google.de/maps/place/Ratskeller/@48.137422,11.576119,2a,90y,90t/data=!3m5!1e2!3m3!1s91841496!2e1!3e10!4m5!1m2!2m1!1srathaus+m%C3%BCnchen!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0xea8424a27ac9c24a!6m1!1e1
[17:04] <allee> yes, it is it.
[17:05] <allee> Riddell: Fri ~15:00 there?
[17:19] <soee> shadeslayer: i mentioned once that i want to create onepage wensite that promotes/explains kubuntu. now i would like to split it into few section like: Office, Media, Technology etc. 
[17:20] <soee> and i would like to hear what other sections do you guys think there should be
[17:20] <soee> remember that this website target is common users or nwcomers
[17:20] <shadeslayer> send mail to kubuntu-devel
[17:23] <soee> shadeslayer: this is not worte putting it there i think :)
[17:23] <soee> just your personal opinions
[17:32] <JackWolfSkin_> soee: try without the -s maybe
[18:40] <soee> JackWolfSkin_: what should i look for there ?
[20:15] <ovidiu-florin> hello world
[20:16] <ovidiu-florin> is there anything I should be aware of before the BSP?
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[21:53] <soee> kde applications beta3 released :)
[22:08] <yofel> src/common/Configuration.h:            Entry(DefaultPath,         QString,     _S("/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/local/bin"),         _S("Default $PATH"));
[22:09] <yofel> why thank you sddm for hardcoding your own PATH
[22:09] <sgclark> ahhh
[22:12] <yofel> env.insert("PATH", mainConfig.Users.DefaultPath.get());
[22:14] <yofel> so it seems it can read it from somewhere..