2014/10/12/#lubuntu.txt

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[03:32] <vual> hey guys i tried to install LXLE on i686 and it wont let me it tells me to get right version for my CPU, but i can only find 64b and 32b i cant find i686 ??? any tips ??
[03:34] <ianorlin> the 32 bit is for i686 and LXLE isn't supported here
[03:36] <vual> oh this is lubuntu ?
[03:36] <vual> cause LXLE is better then lubuntu i just assumed it overtook lubuntu
[03:37] <vual> thanks for your help anyway you rude cunt :)
[07:03] <absk007> how to backup sources list & key certs?
[08:33] <Zenfu31> hi can anyone give me a url for setting up compiz on Lubuntu 14.04.1 desktop
[09:30] <Zenfu31> is this thing on???
[09:50] <ikonia> Zenfu31: it is
[10:17] <Zenfu31> okay, i see that lubuntu uses openbox
[10:18] <Zenfu31> i'm essentially looking to try the desktop cube
[10:18] <Zenfu31> but have no idea on how to go about it
[10:20] <Zenfu31> k, just found it
[10:20] <Zenfu31> under preferences
[10:24] <Zenfu31> okay, any help on remote desktop connection in lubuntu 14.04.1 ?
[14:45] <sheena1> when i try to run desktop preferences, i got a "Desktop manager is not active" error. i did some googling and attempted to reinstall pcmanfm, as that seemed to be a common solution. Now, pcmanfm doesn't run, I get the same popup error when I try to run it from gui or terminal. all i wanted to do was fix my suspend time out, and now i've broken things even more :(
[14:50] <testdr> sheena1: create a new user, - name it "test" and set password. Then logout and do a login with the new username and check if the desktop is broken there too. If its ok for the new user, then your usersettings are broken (misconfigured).
[14:51] <sheena1> ok.
[14:51] <sheena1> when i try to use user settings GUI, it is unresponsive when i click "add". is there a command line way to do this?
[14:53] <sheena1> testdr: when i open it with sudo users-admin, it just hangs and doesnt finish opening
[14:53] <testdr> sheena1: yes - shure there is - but it looks like you have more broken. You are shure you did a default installation of LUbunut-14.04? Do you have the install-system(live-system on CD/USB) to check the live-version?
[14:54] <sheena1> i did the default install. it worked fine half an hour ago, until i reinstalled pcman
[14:54] <testdr> sheena1: did you do a logout? And what is with the guest-user-account? Can you use this on login?
[14:55] <sheena1> i will reboot and beright back
[15:00] <sheena1> testdr: um, now things are really broken
[15:00] <sheena1> i have no taskbar, eveything is different/weird, ...
[15:01] <sheena1> the only way to open stuff is to right click my desktop to open a terminal emulator
[15:01] <testdr> sheena1: you are using 2 computers? One for this irc-channel?
[15:01] <sheena1> on the plus side, pcmanfm will oepn now!
[15:01] <sheena1> nope, i used the terminl to run pidgin, which is how i use IRC
[15:03] <testdr> sheena1: ok - same computer - if you have not already stored a lot (it was a new installation?), then you can in a terminal move your local config out of way - then logout (NOT reboot) and login again
[15:03] <sheena1> it was a clean install, but several months ago
[15:03] <sheena1> my home directory is separate
[15:03] <sheena1> im nto sure about the config?
[15:04] <sheena1> running lxpanel in terminal makes my panel come back
[15:04] <testdr> sheena1: any backups? Or can you now swith to the guest-user-account?
[15:04] <testdr> shwitch
[15:04] <testdr> switch
[15:05] <sheena1> when i went into the guest account, it was the same.. no panel, etc
[15:06] <testdr> sheena1: broken! Could be from no more space to other things. Have run the updates? Last time?
[15:07] <sheena1> no space? like, hard drive space?
[15:07] <sheena1> i just did update yeah
[15:07] <testdr> yep
[15:07] <testdr> when was the last update?
[15:08] <sheena1> 28gb free on my home partition, says disks
[15:09] <sheena1> 16gb free on my OS partition (root)
[15:09] <sheena1> maybe yesterday? im not sure
[15:09] <testdr> you can do following, you switch to terminal with hotkey  strg+alt+F1   and login there, thats no graphics and make a:  sudo  apt-get  update
[15:09] <testdr> sheena1: you may do it in the xterm
[15:10] <sheena1> its running
[15:10] <sheena1> i will not paste the output ;)
[15:10] <sheena1> it is done
[15:10] <sheena1> Fetched 838 kB in 8s (98.9 kB/s)
[15:10] <sheena1> Reading package lists... Done
[15:10] <sheena1> home@home:~$
[15:11] <testdr> its getting new paket-databases
[15:11] <testdr> sheena1: did you see same parts downloaded?
[15:11] <sheena1> same parts?
[15:11] <testdr> some
[15:11] <sheena1> yeah. i just ran a sudo apt-get update a few minutes ago, though
[15:12] <sheena1> when i was reinstalling pcman and everything broke :(
[15:12] <testdr> did you run:   sudo apt-get upgrade
[15:12] <sheena1> not yet
[15:13] <sheena1> i will do that now
[15:13] <testdr> apt-get update only gets the databases up-to-date -- it installs no pakets or updates those
[15:13] <sheena1> ok
[15:13] <sheena1> its installing now i thnk
[15:14] <sheena1> sorry. i have been using ubuntu for a few years now, but there are still things i dont fully understand
[15:14] <testdr> sheena1: you should see the downloading (traffic) and what it does for installing
[15:14] <sheena1> yep. i see it
[15:14] <sheena1> what should i dowhen its finished?
[15:14] <sheena1> log out? reboot? neither?
[15:15] <testdr> sheena1: did it install a new kernel? Only this is normaly the reason for a reboot.
[15:15] <sheena1> i am not sure how to tell
[15:15] <testdr> you should try now if the tool in the menu: system configuration --> User+Groups is working
[15:16] <sheena1> oh if it did, it will ask me to reboot, right?
[15:16] <sheena1> it is now preparing and unpacking
[15:16] <sheena1> soon it will be done
[15:16] <testdr> most times yes - but not allways
[15:16] <sheena1> i dont see any mention of kernel in the list of stuff it is installing
[15:17] <testdr> sheena1: you should be able to create a new user-account to get a clean user-setting and if this is working, then its possible to fix your primary-account
[15:18] <sheena1> it is still unpacking
[15:18] <sheena1> must have many things to install.. means i havent done this in a while maybe? oops
[15:18] <testdr> thats what i suspect - and is different what you told
[15:19] <sheena1> i see that :(
[15:19] <sheena1> i did not mean to lie to you!
[15:19] <sheena1> it seems stuck maybe
[15:19] <sheena1> oh no, its going now
[15:19] <testdr> i did not say this - computers are always the fault
[15:19] <sheena1> heh yes. blame the machine :)
[15:19] <sheena1> it never minds if you blame it. i did drop it hard on the floor a couple of days ago also, and ran some hard drive diagnostics, but that should not cause the software to work strangely i think
[15:20] <testdr> sheena1: did you never use synaptic (gui-tool) for updates and paket-installs?
[15:20] <sheena1> ok it is done
[15:20] <sheena1> i use the software updater gui. it comes up sometimes and i click "install" but im notsure if it is synaptic or not
[15:20] <testdr> thats not
[15:20] <sheena1> i have both User Accounts and Users and Groups now
[15:21] <testdr> running?
[15:21] <sheena1> i want users and groups?
[15:21] <sheena1> in useres and groups, it opens but when i click add, stil nothing happens
[15:21] <sheena1> manage groups opens a dialogue, but add and advanced settings do not
[15:22] <testdr> mmh -- maybe wait - maybe you do a logout and login and everything may work.  ---
[15:22] <sheena1> in user accounts, there is no response and an "unlock" buttont hat does nothing
[15:22] <sheena1> ok i will log out
[15:23] <sheena1> lol
[15:23] <sheena1> "log out command is not set"
[15:23] <sheena1> how do i do this in command line?
[15:23] <testdr> in commandline, in terminal enter: logout
[15:23] <testdr> or exit
[15:23] <sheena1> that just closes the terminal
[15:23] <sheena1> it hink
[15:24] <sheena1> To end all user processes and be sent back to the login screen, you can use:kill -9 -1
[15:24] <sheena1> i could do that?
[15:24] <testdr> sheena1: your gui-taskbar-icon for logout is not there?
[15:24] <sheena1> it is, but it pops up with the error "log out command is not set"
[15:25] <sheena1> i never log out, so maybe this is not a new problem. i dont think i have ever logged out since i installed, i just reboot if i need to.
[15:26] <sheena1> testdr: i am not sure what to do next
[15:26] <sheena1> i will try the kill -9 command?
[15:26] <testdr> sheena1:  in a terminal(xterm) enter to kill running LXDE-session:    killall  --SIGKILL lxsession
[15:26] <sheena1> that gives me a manual type page for killalll
[15:27] <testdr> sheena1: my keyboard - only one "-"
[15:27] <sheena1> home@home:~$ killall -SIGKILL lxsession
[15:27] <sheena1> lxsession: no process found
[15:28] <testdr> sheena1: you have LUbuntu? Without lxsession to start the Desktop? Or -- how you get it started?
[15:28] <sheena1> im sorry i dont know :(
[15:28] <sheena1> i have lubuntu, yes
[15:28] <sheena1> it usually just works? i turn it on and it works!
[15:29] <testdr> check in terminal if there is lxsession running:    ps xa | grep session
[15:29] <sheena1> home@home:~$ ps xa | grep session
[15:29] <sheena1>  2138 ?        Sl     0:00 lightdm --session-child 12 27
[15:29] <sheena1>  2210 ?        Ss     0:00 /usr/bin/ssh-agent /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/im-launch /usr/bin/openbox-session
[15:29] <sheena1>  2213 ?        S      0:00 /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session /usr/bin/im-launch /usr/bin/openbox-session
[15:29] <sheena1>  2214 ?        Ss     0:00 //bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 5 --print-address 7 --session
[15:29] <sheena1>  2269 ?        Sl     0:00 /usr/lib/at-spi2-core/at-spi2-registryd --use-gnome-session
[15:29] <sheena1> 15705 pts/7    S+     0:00 grep --color=auto session
[15:30] <testdr> sheena1: you have no default LUbuntu -- you have mixed with gnome-session
[15:30] <sheena1> oh . how did that happen? can i fix it? is that the problem?
[15:33] <testdr> sheena1: i dont know -- if you are right about using LUbuntu-14.04,  you can do an:    sudo   apt-get install  lxde-common
[15:33] <sheena1> what is the comand to print out what OS i have installed etc?
[15:34] <testdr> uname -a
[15:34] <testdr> and:   lsb_release   -a
[15:34] <sheena1> home@home:~$ lsb_release -a
[15:34] <sheena1> No LSB modules are available.
[15:34] <sheena1> Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
[15:34] <sheena1> Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.1 LTS
[15:34] <sheena1> Release:	14.04
[15:34] <sheena1> Codename:	trusty
[15:35] <testdr> sheena1: dont paste multiple lines into irc -- use the pastebin and provide the link to the uploaded text (http://paste.ubuntu.com"
[15:36] <sheena1> sorry. do you want me to pastebin that output for you?
[15:36] <testdr> no - could read enough
[15:36] <sheena1> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/14.04.1/release/lubuntu-14.04.1-desktop-i386.iso    this is the file i used to install
[15:36] <sheena1> i made a live usb and used that
[15:36] <sheena1> so i dont know what happened?
[15:36] <sheena1> i did try to make shotwell work and installed some gnome things, maybe that broke something?
[15:36] <testdr> thats ok - but --ahaaa
[15:36] <sheena1> i dont want to do a clean install again if i dont have to :(
[15:37] <sheena1> that was months ago, the shotwell thing, and it worked ok after that?
[15:37] <testdr> you did install gnome - and pulled in parts of the gnome-desktop for your user-account.
[15:37] <sheena1> ok
[15:37] <sheena1> is it fixable?
[15:37] <sheena1> and will fixing it fix all the stuff that is wrong, or only some?
[15:39] <testdr> your user-account-mixed settings is not easy to fix. -- First there is the gnome-session running instead of lxsession. But i wonder if its the same for the guest-account and if so i dont know what everything else may be installed from gnome and taking over the command
[15:40] <sheena1> is a clean install going to fix it?
[15:40] <sheena1> i can dot hat if it is the best way
[15:42] <testdr> if your user-data is saved -- mailsettings, etc. then a clean new install would be the best and quickest thing and then you can install your saved user-date back -- but take care about   .config  in your home-directory, there may be some gnome-settings and this should be first not used.
[15:42] <sheena1> can i just rename .config to .config-broken and then do a clean install?
[15:43] <testdr> and for the future - create always a second user-account to do software tests or mixing the desktop-settings.
[15:43] <sheena1> thank you. i will try to do that next time. i never know what might break things :(
[15:43] <testdr> no -- if you will rename it - then you first should try to reboot and check if things work better -- you need a real backup if you do a fresh install
[15:44] <sheena1> real backup.. even though home directory is separate?
[15:45] <sheena1> i will rename it now and reboot, see what happens?
[15:45] <testdr> sheena1: i dont know if you have it really separate. People do a new install and overwrite whole disk and then even a not touched partition is gone.
[15:45] <sheena1> i have done installs with home separate befor
[15:46] <sheena1> i can show you if i can list my paritions?
[15:46] <sheena1> i know i must do it inside the installer carefully so it does nto overwrite /home
[15:46] <testdr> sheena1: you can do a install only to the root-partition and dont touch other partitions - but some people are to quick and press the button to do the full-install
[15:47] <testdr> sheena1: you understand? You have to read carefully and know the datasettings of your harddisk
[15:48] <sheena1> yes i understand. i have done this before several times
[15:48] <testdr> ok - then a fresh install is done in less than 1 hour (quick hardware only around 20-30 minutes).
[15:49] <sheena1> ok. should i try the rename .config first?
[15:49] <testdr> thats less than the time we used here
[15:50] <testdr> yes - thats quicker - and you know this is put aside with a different name
[15:50] <sheena1> ok. i will do that and then reboot and see what happens?
[15:50] <sheena1> sudo mv /home/home/.config /home/home/.config-broken ?
[15:51] <testdr> yes
[15:51] <sheena1> not mvdir?
[15:51] <testdr> no - its only a rename
[15:51] <sheena1> ok
[15:54] <sheena1> ok i rebooted
[15:54] <sheena1> no panel opened
[15:55] <sheena1> i right clicked desktop to open terminal, and ran pidgin, so i cando the same for my panel and check what works?
[15:55] <sheena1> users?
[15:55] <sheena1> this time lxpanel opened a different panel
[15:55] <sheena1> with my colour settings
[15:56] <sheena1> software updater opened and wants me to update 'Ubuntu base'
[15:56] <sheena1> looks like a kernel update
[15:58] <sheena1> testdr: are you here?
[16:02] <testdr> too late
[16:03] <testdr> re
[16:03] <sheena1> i missed some msgs
[16:04] <testdr> not much - was afk
[16:04] <sheena1> i made a new user through command line but now when i boot up, it does not even ask me which user i want
[16:04] <testdr> did you activate auto-login?
[16:04] <sheena1> i dont think so? if i did, it was an accident
[16:04] <sheena1> this morning, it would always ask me
[16:05] <sheena1> and now it does not
[16:05] <testdr> and you are logged in as this user? New or old one?
[16:05] <sheena1> home
[16:05] <sheena1> i cannot log in as new one
[16:05] <sheena1> i dont know how?
[16:05] <sheena1> if it does not ask me when i restart, i dont know how else to do it
[16:05] <sheena1> logout through GUI does not work
[16:05] <testdr> sounds like the login-manager is gone
[16:06] <sheena1> all gone :(
[16:06] <testdr> then its really the quickest way to do a fresh clean install from your live-usb-version
[16:06] <sheena1> throw it out and get a new pc ?
[16:06] <sheena1> ok
[16:06] <sheena1> i will find my usb stick
[16:06] <sheena1> i hope!
[16:06] <sheena1> is it bad to make a new one from this broken computer if i cannot find it?
[16:07] <sheena1> and there are now some things in .config again. should i rename it again before i install?
[16:07] <testdr> no - only the download has to work - with some kind of browser or wget -- but without an usb-stick?
[16:07] <sheena1> i have the iso file already on my laptop
[16:07] <sheena1> from before
[16:07] <sheena1> and i have many usb
[16:07] <sheena1> just not sure i have the boot one i made still
[16:07] <sheena1> i might have lost it or overwritten it
[16:08] <testdr> sheena1:  then plug in a usable usb and identify its device -- maybe its  /dev/sdb   and do a      dd  if=isoimage   of=/dev/sdb
[16:08] <kanzure> confirm it's /dev/sdb before dd
[16:08] <testdr> sheena1: if you have 2 harddisks it may be /dev/sdc
[16:09] <sheena1> i think i fount it
[16:09] <sheena1> it has .disk and boot nad casper.. etc
[16:09] <sheena1> seems like the right onw
[16:09] <sheena1> can i check it before i install from it?
[16:09] <testdr> the dd-command is:    --- then its probably your lost live-version
[16:10] <sheena1> and kanzure, can i access this from my android phone so i can stay in the room while im doing my reinstall?
[16:10] <kanzure> androchat
[16:10] <testdr> sheena1: you check it with reboot and select boot from this usb-drive (maybe you have to press F11 .. F12 or F2 at boot-time)
[16:10] <sheena1> ok bye for now!
[16:10] <kanzure> or androirc, rather.
[16:12] <sheena> Is it working?
[16:13] <sheena> Kanzure am i in the rigt place?
[16:24] <sheena> My wifi card isnt opening.
[16:24] <sheena> Seriously?
[16:46] <sheena1> testdr: i have reinstalled. how can i check that everything is back to nromal?
[16:47] <testdr> check the lookout - working tool - like user-config, openbox-config etc.
[16:49] <sheena1> open bo confg opens
[16:49] <sheena1> user config works, i made a test account!
[16:49] <sheena1> how can i change my system suspend settings? maybe i should get help with that before i break all the things agin!
[16:51] <testdr> first do an update  - suspend-settings like suspend-to-ram for an laptop? Thats part of powerconfiguration
[16:52] <testdr> check the tools in config and system-settings are working - there should be the tool for the power-settings
[21:43] <triplc> hi all
[21:43] <triplc> howto change colors of lxterminal ?
[21:44] <triplc> or it is only background & foreground color can be changed ?
[21:44] <triplc> no customized color scheme ?
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