2014/07/01/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[06:15] <soee> good morning
[07:59] <Riddell> hola chicos
[08:22] <milissa> http://adf.ly/pyduc
[08:23] <Riddell> spammer
[08:23] <Riddell> !ircc
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[08:23] <Riddell> jussi: tell freenode to ban ^^
[09:55] <Riddell> apachelogger: remind me why debdiff | filterdiff is better than diff -urN ?
[09:55] <Riddell> I can't get  filterdiff --include=debian  to work
[10:00] <apachelogger> Riddell: dpkg-buildpackage -S && { debdiff ../*dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*' }
[10:00] <apachelogger> filterdiff is superior because you want to review the delta of the actual artifact you intend to upload, a manual diff does not correctly represent this
[10:01] <apachelogger> random unlikely example: clean rule removes stuff from debian/, then your manual diff might not be what a debdiff would show
[10:03] <Riddell> this all seems very improbable for the extra effort
[10:04] <apachelogger> Riddell: what's the extra effort?
[10:05] <apachelogger> you need to build the dsc anyway and diffing over the dscs gives a correct representation of the delta while a manual diff doesn't
[10:05] <Riddell> debdiff *dsc | filterdiff -i '*/debian/*'  takes much longer to type and has more chance of mistakes than diff -urN foo/debian/* current/foo/debian/*
[10:05] <apachelogger> that's almost the same amount of typing :P
[10:05] <Riddell> now if debdiff had an option to just show you the debian/ contents, that would make a lot of sense
[10:05] <apachelogger> also scripting is your friend ^^
[10:20] <shadeslayer> debfx: https://bugs.launchpad.net/trusty-backports/+bug/1335840
[10:20] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1335840 in trusty-backports "Please backport kdeconnect 0.7.1-0ubuntu3 (universe) from utopic-proposed" [Undecided,New]
[11:07] <BluesKaj> Howdy all
[11:17] <sgclark> morning all
[11:17] <Riddell> hola sgclark 
[11:18] <Riddell> notes: plasma-mc needs depend on baloo
[11:18] <Riddell> baloo | baloo-kf5 I guess
[11:18] <Riddell> it also needs compiled with -DNO_LINK_TO_PLASMA=ON
[11:18] <Riddell> which is what stops it freezing
[11:18] <Riddell> cos qtmultimediakit uses gstreamer 0.10 while plasma uses gstreamer 1.0
[11:19] <Riddell> it also needs to recommend all the gstreamer 0.10 codecs  (good, bad and ugly)
[11:19] <Riddell> but worst of all, it doesn't play game of thrones because we have no gstreamer 0.10 codec for video/x-h264
[11:20] <sgclark> oh nos :(
[11:20] <Riddell> it doesn't play youtube either can that's mp4
[11:20] <Riddell> plasma-mc has so much promise but the technology just lets it down :(
[11:20] <sgclark> ahhh, then why is the big youtube button lol
[11:22] <Riddell> well if your distro still supports gstreamer 0.10 then it's all good
[11:22] <Riddell> but ubuntu has removed libav plugin for gstreamer so no mp4 (as I understand it)
[11:23] <Riddell> instead just a warning Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264'"
[11:23] <sgclark> gosh hthat is not very useful, youutube is the main reason I would use
[11:24] <Riddell> sgclark: anyway, are you able to make those changes?
[11:24] <sgclark> sure thing
[11:24] <Riddell> sgclark: I got confused yesterday because I didn't realise you had two PPAs, what's the second one for?
[11:25] <sgclark> Riddell: my PPAs only hold like one maybe two, so I made one for trusty and one for utopic
[11:25] <Riddell> one maybe two what?
[11:25] <sgclark> packages
[11:26] <Riddell> but why?
[11:26] <sgclark> I don't know, I get out of space rejects alot though
[11:26] <Riddell> gosh really?
[11:26] <sgclark> mhmm
[11:27] <Riddell> hum
[11:27] <Riddell> well no importante
[11:27] <Riddell> you can also use kubuntu-ppa/experimental for works in progress
[11:27] <sgclark> ok thanks
[11:31] <Riddell> we have three abstractions of gstreamer for qt all with varying abilities, this makes me cry 
[11:33] <sgclark> yeah I was messing around trying to figure it all out last night
[11:33] <apachelogger> sgclark, Riddell: staging is fro work in progress
[11:34] <apachelogger> experimental is for experimental packages
[11:34] <sgclark> ahh right, will use that, thanks
=== inetpro_ is now known as inetpro
[12:39] <sgclark> Riddell: https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages?batch=75&direction=backwards&start=225
[12:47] <Riddell> apachelogger: the difference seems sometimes arbitrary
[12:51] <sgclark> Riddell: nevermind, now affected by https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=335904
[12:51] <ubottu> KDE bug 335904 in Shell "NO_LINK_TO_PLASMA option non-operational" [Grave,Reopened]
[12:52] <Riddell> sgclark: really? it solved the freeze issue for me
[12:52] <sgclark> won't start for me
[12:53] <sgclark> which well I suppose stops the feezes haha
[12:54] <Riddell> sgclark: you run plasma-mediacenter and nothing happens?
[12:55] <sgclark> Riddell: http://paste.ubuntu.com/7731279/
[12:55] <sgclark> Failed to load Plasma Libraries, cannot continue. is the problem
[12:57] <apachelogger> Riddell: it's not, experimental is about the scope of the software in the package, not the package itself
[12:57] <apachelogger> that is: stuff in experimental is expected to install and uninstall
[12:57] <apachelogger> whether the actual software works is out of scope for experimental, but the package mustn't screw the user over
[12:58] <apachelogger> http://community.kde.org/Kubuntu/PPAs#Kubuntu_Experimental
[12:59] <Riddell> si
[13:03] <Riddell> sgclark: did you get /usr/lib/libplasmaadapter.so.1.3 installed?
[13:03] <Riddell> it only gets created when you build with NO_LINK_TO_PLASMA
[13:03] <sgclark> Unpacking libplasmamediacenter1.3 (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) over (1.3.0-0ubuntu1) ...
[13:04] <Riddell> "adapter"
[13:04] <sgclark> oh hmm
[13:04] <Riddell> different name
[13:04]  * sgclark look
[13:11] <sgclark> Riddell: that is the problem, seems list-missing did not get run *fixing*
[13:25] <Riddell> kubotu: newversion qt-gstreamer 1.1.90
[13:25] <kubotu> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1336256
[13:29] <BluesKaj> hmm, I see thew switch to systemd being bad mouthed in the ##linux room due to this url , http://boycottsystemd.org/ , is there any truth to these claims ?
[13:32] <Riddell> BluesKaj: yes, lots
[13:33] <BluesKaj> then why the switch Riddell?, seems like a bad move 
[13:35] <Riddell> because for all those grumbles a modern init system has lots of advantages, and I don't want to be the only decent distro using !systemd
[13:35] <BluesKaj> is sysvinit no longer able to handle the changes to ubuntu
[13:36] <Riddell> we haven't used sysvinit for some years
[13:36] <Riddell> it's slow and very distro specific
[13:36] <BluesKaj> oh?
[13:37] <sgclark> sigh, irc hates me
[13:37]  * BluesKaj learned something new today
[13:37] <apachelogger> that page is much silly
[13:39] <BluesKaj> probly archlinux haters
[13:41] <apachelogger> nah, just whiners
[14:16] <sgclark> Riddell: new plasma-mc up in staging. Looks like it works aside from me not having anything that doesn't use Warning: "No decoder available for type 'video/x-h264,
[14:18] <sgclark> Riddell: I have to step out for 1 hour, will be back though.
[14:20] <Riddell> sgclark: you could test it with this gripping narative blockbuster with tragedy and triumph http://ftp.belnet.be/FOSDEM/2014/H1302_Depage/Saturday/Do_you_have_to_be_brain_damaged_to_care_about_desktop_Linux.webm
[14:48] <tsdgeos> Only 4 donations to 300 people! http://www.kde.org/fundraisers/randameetings2014/ :)
[15:05] <sgclark> Riddell: that video works :)
[15:05] <Riddell> yay
[15:06] <sgclark> Riddell: no changes between trusty and utopic, still need me to upload both?
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: no I'll upload to utopic and trusty-proposed for an SRU
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: ok great
[15:07] <sgclark> Riddell: was that release today or ?
[15:07] <Riddell> sgclark: no sign of dfaure so I guess not until this (european) evening
[15:08] <sgclark> Riddell: ok, gonna get some chores done, ping me when it happens
[15:08] <Riddell> sgclark: are you on the kde-packager e-mail list yet?
[15:09] <sgclark> Riddell: no I am not, I am  guessing I should be?
[15:09] <Riddell> I'm not sure how you subscribe to it now, https://sysadmin.kde.org maybe
[15:09] <Riddell> sgclark: try filling in something there and giving me as reference
[15:12] <sgclark> Riddell: ok submitted ticket
[15:12] <Riddell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=kubuntu-packaging could do with some cleanup
[15:13] <sgclark> Riddell: didn't we just do 1.3? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plasma-mediacenter/+bug/1328246
[15:13] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1328246 in plasma-mediacenter (Ubuntu) "Please update plasma-mediacenter to 1.2.90" [Undecided,New]
[15:14] <Riddell> sgclark: yes so that should be closed
[15:14] <sgclark> Riddell: k
[15:25] <sgclark> Riddell: artikulate says in progress assignee:	 Howard Chan (smartboyhw) is this person still around?
[15:27] <Riddell> sgclark: nope he wandered off when he got busy/burnt out (don't you burn out!)
[15:28] <sgclark> but it looks like it is in trusty-proposed
[15:28] <sgclark> lol
[15:28] <Riddell> ah so maybe it's all done anyway
[15:28] <sgclark> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-branches/ubuntu/trusty/artikulate/trusty-proposed/files
[15:28] <Riddell> it's in KDE SC now
[15:28] <sgclark> ok closing
[15:28] <Riddell> yeah moved to kde-edu
[15:36] <sgclark> Riddell: umm librocket google search shows someone built this https://launchpad.net/~joern-schoenyan/+archive/librocket can we use this?
[15:38]  * Riddell looks
[15:39] <Riddell> apachelogger: what do you know about librocket?
[15:41] <Riddell> http://librocket.com/  C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards
[15:41] <Riddell> well I've no idea what uses that
[15:42] <Riddell> sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it
[15:47] <sgclark> sorry internet hiccup, verdict on librocket?
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:39 < Riddell> http://librocket.com/  C++ user interface middleware package based on the HTML and CSS standards
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:39 < Riddell> well I've no idea what uses that
[15:48] <Riddell> 16:40 < Riddell> sgclark: I guess apachelogger had some reason to want it packaged a year ago but not a very good reason since he didn't get round to it, wait until he replies but probably close it
[15:48] <sgclark> ok
[16:00] <sgclark> Riddell: cleaned up, will work on libqapt
[16:05] <Riddell> sgclark: oh? what's need doing with it?
[16:05] <sgclark> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libqapt/+bug/1328165
[16:06] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 1328165 in libqapt (Ubuntu) "Please update libqapt to 2.2.0" [Undecided,New]
[16:07] <Riddell> hah my own bug too, great please do
[16:47] <sgclark> Riddell: libqapt in staging
[16:57] <sgclark> Riddell: no changes for trusty ^
[19:43] <Riddell> sgclark: great
[20:11] <Riddell> sgclark: plasma patch looks good, you can commit it yourself
[20:11] <sgclark> ty
[20:14] <Riddell> making plasma build-dep on the right frameworks -dev packages is another issue
[20:15] <Riddell> would need another comand line switch
[20:57] <soee> good news :-)
[20:57] <soee> latest version of plasma-next from neos works great !
[20:57] <soee> *neon
[21:10]  * Riddell spots stable/frameworks/5.0.0/
[21:12] <yofel> \o/
[21:21]  * yofel notes that CFQ is a horrible choice of IO scheduler if one creates fixed size virtualbox images on a rotary medium
[21:21] <yofel> unlike dealine you can barely even move the mouse
[21:21] <yofel> *deadline
[21:31] <Riddell> is that the one that baloo wants?
[21:31]  * Riddell grabs an espresso mocha and some tortilla and cracks on with kubuntu-initial-upload
[21:37] <yofel> yes
[21:43] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
[22:16] <apachelogger> sgclark: close librocket, use case disappeared
[22:16] <sgclark> apachelogger: ok
[22:43] <kubotu> feed branches-next had 25 updates, showing the latest 6
=== Riddell changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu - The Distro for Octopuses | https://trello.com/kubuntu | https://notes.kde.org/p/kubuntu-ninjas-frameworks KF5 5.0.0!
[22:53] <Riddell> KF5 5.0.0 up in next PPA, do keep an eye on it ninjas and poke as needed
[22:54] <Riddell> also if someone could set up a qa report that would be great
[22:54]  * Riddell wanders "home"