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=== Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha === fginther is now known as fginther|away === fginther|away is now known as fginther === Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk === Ursinha-afk is now known as Ursinha [03:09] <eridu> Is this an appropriate place to discuss Unity issues? I've experienced a regression upgrading to 14.04 [03:10] <eridu> specifically, the behavior of alt summoning the HUD on a 500ms tap __if no other key is pressed__ seems to have changed to any tap under 500ms; so now I'm triggering it if I navigate with repeated M-f's in emacs and similar [03:19] <darkxst> eridu, probably best to ask later, when more people are around [03:19] <eridu> darkxst: when's a good time/time zone? [03:23] <darkxst> eridu, maybe in 4 hours or so [03:23] <darkxst> most of the desktop team are in europe I think [03:23] <eridu> okay, is it mostly the london canonical people? [03:29] <pitti> Good morning [03:30] <pitti> Laney: reverse-build-deps already happens; reverse test-deps doesn't, as that's slightly harder to do (you need to download and unpack all sources, as test controls aren't aggregated in a Packages.gz like index) === thumper is now known as thumper-afk === thumper-afk is now known as thumper [06:08] <didrocks> morning [06:09] <pitti> bonjour didrocks [06:09] <didrocks> hey pitti, how are you ? [06:09] <pitti> didrocks: quite fine, thanks! was fun watching the game yesterday evening :) [06:09] <pitti> didrocks: and you? [06:10] <didrocks> pitti: I'm doing good! was fun to once again avoid watching any game ;) [06:10] <didrocks> seb128 came late though [06:10] <didrocks> his train was delayed by an hour [06:10] <didrocks> so, I cheered him with beers when he arrived to recomfort him! [06:11] <pitti> didrocks: oh, seb128 is in Lyon with you? [06:11] <pitti> didrocks: and he didn't get up together with you? :-) [06:11] <didrocks> yeah, he's coming for a week :) [06:11] <didrocks> ahah [06:11] <didrocks> you know him… :p [06:12] <didrocks> I'm temptive to wake him up though [06:12] <pitti> slack^Wsay good morning to him :) [06:12] <didrocks> hehe, will tell him [06:12] <didrocks> once he's there :) [06:12] <pitti> 05:29:22 pitti | Good morning [06:12] <didrocks> waow, I've been awake for 40 minutes only today :p [06:13] <didrocks> but I went to bed late as well [06:13] <didrocks> did you already run? [06:13] <pitti> didrocks: no, not yet; still a bit chilly [06:14] <didrocks> I'll try to force seb to come with us running :) === oCrazyLemn is now known as CrazyLemon [07:02] <seb128> good morning desktopers [07:02] <seb128> pitti, salut! [07:03] <didrocks> hey seb128! [07:03] <seb128> lut didrocks ;-) [07:03] <pitti> bonjour seb128 ! give a hug to didrocks from me :) [07:04] <seb128> pitti, done ;-) [07:05] <pitti> \o/ [07:06] <pitti> seb128, jibel: so looks like it could very well be GER - FRA in the quarter finals [07:06] <seb128> indeed, I was looking at that yesterday [07:06] <seb128> sorry for you [07:06] <seb128> ;-) [07:06] * pitti hangs his fan scarf a level higher [07:07] * seb128 doesn't care, he can pretend to be german if France loose [07:07] <pitti> seb128: yeah, France is on quite a rampage, I'm not that optimistic for Germany [07:07] <pitti> seb128: hahaa [07:08] <pitti> although the German team did rather well yesterday; wasn't overly exciting, but nice in a technical and precision way [07:08] <seb128> but yeah, France has been impressive [07:08] <seb128> so let's see [07:08] <pitti> more like proper craftsmanship than doing miracles :) [07:08] <seb128> hehe [07:08] <pitti> although that only goal was really a piece of art [07:09] <seb128> I didn't see it [07:09] * seb128 was in the train [07:11] <pitti> seb128: http://www.sportschau.de/fifawm2014/video/videousagegendeutschlanddiehoehepunkte102.html scroll to ~ 1 min [07:15] <seb128> pitti, nice one [07:17] <larsu> oh, a goal! [07:17] * pitti ^5s larsu [07:18] <larsu> :) hi pitti [07:29] <tjaalton> how to disable HUD? it opens every time I hit alt+$num in irssi.. [07:30] <tjaalton> google to the rescue [07:32] <larsu> tjaalton: system settings / keyboard / shortcuts / launchers / key to show the hud [07:32] <larsu> change that from alt to ... anything [07:35] <jibel> mvo, hey, is there anything blocking the approval of update-manager and update-notifier into precise-proposed? [07:35] <tjaalton> larsu: yep, found that.. ccsm didn't work anymore since these had migrated to dconf [07:46] <mvo> hey jibel, I don't think anything is blocking, it just needs someone with the right permissions [07:46] <mvo> jibel: to accept it [07:51] <jibel> mvo, could you document bug 1333728 with impact / testing / potential risk of regression / any other info useful for the SRU team, then we'll find someone on #ubuntu-release to approve it. [07:51] <ubot5> bug 1333728 in update-notifier (Ubuntu Precise) "update-manager should support HWE EOL transition" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1333728 [07:53] <jibel> mvo, http://dmz-jenkins.ubuntu-ci:8080/view/HWE%20EOL/ <- link to automated test, all red because it's testing your branch with the translation issue. Once u-m and u-n are uploaded to -proposed it should be green. [07:53] <jibel> *tests even [07:53] <darkxst> hey seb128, pitti, didrocks, larsu! [07:53] <pitti> hey darkxst [07:57] <mvo> jibel: thanks, adding this now [08:03] <Laney> good morning! [08:03] <Laney> happy freitag! [08:03] <pitti> hey Laney [08:03] <Laney> hey hey pitti, how's it going? [08:04] <pitti> Laney: quite fine, thanks! how about you? [08:04] <darkxst> hey Laney [08:04] <seb128> hey darkxst [08:04] <seb128> Laney, good morning, how are you? [08:04] <didrocks> hey darkxst ;) [08:04] <Laney> hey seb128 [08:04] <Laney> doing good thanks [08:04] <pitti> pretty annoyed though that it's going to rain on Sunday -- I wanted to finally fly on a kite! [08:04] <didrocks> morning Laney [08:04] <Laney> we went to "middle eastern tapas" at the veggie cafe yesterday [08:04] <Laney> was nice [08:04] <pitti> and got an appointment on Sunday [08:05] <Laney> fried chick peas, who knew? [08:05] <seb128> sounds nice [08:05] <Laney> with butternut squash [08:05] <Laney> was very tasty [08:05] <Laney> how's lyon? ;-) [08:07] <seb128> nice! great weather this morning [08:07] <didrocks> (as usual… ;)) [08:07] <Laney> haha [08:08] <seb128> yeah, train had a 1 hour delay yesterday, "as usual" [08:08] * seb128 blames didrocks [08:08] <didrocks> roh! [08:09] <seb128> Laney, so, robert_ancell doesn't like the new service approach [08:09] <darkxst> Laney, seb128 so the display change confirmation dialog uses a signal and method from the C-api that is not exposed on the dbus [08:10] <darkxst> seb128, how about making it a new u-s-d plugin? [08:10] <darkxst> the big advantage of how I have it, is that cherry-picking upstream patches is easy [08:11] <seb128> upstream patches for what? [08:11] <darkxst> seb128, display config and idle monitor [08:11] <Laney> "doesn't like"? [08:11] <seb128> Laney, https://code.launchpad.net/~robert-ancell/unity-settings-daemon/xrandr/+merge/224548/comments/539755 [08:12] <Laney> I wouldn't offer to do the work, but given that it is already done/in-progress I don't get what the cost is [08:13] <Laney> the benefit is not having yet more forks of ancient code [08:13] <seb128> Laney, fwd you an email [08:13] <Laney> okay [08:15] <Laney> did he fix up the idle monitor stuff? [08:17] <seb128> not yet I think, he wrote on that mp that it can be done in a follow up change [08:17] <seb128> I guess he's waiting for us to decide which road to go [08:19] <Laney> darkxst: sounds like you're backtracking on your daemon with 'new plugin'? [08:20] <darkxst> Laney, I meant still keep a direct copy of the code from mutter, but use a plugin rather than daemon [08:20] <darkxst> that way, u-s-d can have direct access to the c-api [08:21] <darkxst> it also makes the dbus activation issues, a non issue (although I haven't tested that) [08:22] <darkxst> of course exposing an extra signal and method over dbus is not hard either [08:23] <Laney> so you could have u-s-d call the method to show the dialog [08:23] <Laney> ? [08:28] <Laney> maybe we could go with Robert's approach as it's nearly working and investigate switching to yours if you want to keep working on it? [08:29] <darkxst> Laney, u-s-d already had the code for the actual dialog [08:29] <Laney> what's the problem then? [08:29] <Laney> displayconfig can't call back into u-s-d to show it? [08:30] <darkxst> just the signal that triggers the dialog now, is in displayconfig, not on dbus [08:30] <darkxst> likewise for the function to confirms [08:31] <darkxst> and really I am not too fussed which way you guys go, just so long as the gnome-desktop transition gets unblocked ;) [08:32] <Laney> so you'd expose the signal and the functions and hook u-s-d's dialog up to this [08:32] <Laney> ? [08:33] <darkxst> Laney, yes [08:33] <Laney> let me put it this way then [08:33] <Laney> if you're happy to work on this in the next few days then I do still prefer this option [08:34] <Laney> but if you don't want to or don't get it working then we should let Robert do it the other way [08:34] <Laney> do you think that's fair? [08:34] <Laney> I'm happy to take "mostly working" and help fix small issues, but I wouldn't say it was at that state yet from my test yesterday [08:35] <Laney> could be small things like dbus activation making the state look worse than it is though [08:40] <darkxst> Laney, ok, I am happy for Robert to do it his way [08:41] <Laney> want to comment on the MP? [08:41] <darkxst> it was "mostly working" (apart from the dialogs apparently) but I haven't really looked at it all since March [08:42] <Laney> probably rebasing on 3.12 would shake out some issues [08:43] <darkxst> Laney, did you use gnome-desktop 3.12? [08:44] <Laney> yep, said that on the bug [08:47] <darkxst> Laney, ah yes, and I even told you it was probably 3.12 related! just ignore that comment ;) [08:47] <Laney> hehe [08:49] <Laney> feel free to come back with a PPA or current bzr branches or something that we can work off [08:50] * Laney sends a little email, cc-ing darkxst [09:00] <Laney> there [09:04] <Laney> TheMuso`: sorry forgot to reply--maybe that does make sense [09:05] <Laney> TheMuso`: It surely is upstream, just reporting a bad (IMO) user experience ;-) [09:06] <Laney> pitti: (forgot to reply to you too) maybe you could save the test-deps into a database somewhere when you see them? [09:06] <Laney> do you have a LP project for wishlist bugs? :) [09:06] <Laney> s/a/an/ [09:06] <pitti> Laney: yeah, that "somewhere" is the hairy bit.. [09:07] <pitti> Laney: we'll have somewhat of a DB once we move to the next gen CI runner (then we can put it into swift) [09:07] <pitti> Laney: but with jenkins, it's *eew* no [09:07] <Laney> is jenkins the only state you have? [09:08] <pitti> Laney: and the britney db [09:08] <Laney> I thought part of it was driven by scripts from an account on lillypilly [09:08] <Laney> but I guess this is exactly the bit that doesn't know test-deps yet [09:09] <pitti> right [09:09] <Laney> bah! [09:09] <pitti> we thought about it, but implementing it without archive support is hilariously complicated [09:09] * Laney nods [09:10] <pitti> TBH, a cron job that regularly grabs the d/t/control files from XS-Testsuite: sources would be easiest [09:10] <pitti> a bit like Contents.gz [09:10] <Laney> I could run something like that on codesearch [09:11] <Laney> that has the unpacked archive [09:11] <pitti> right [09:33] <seb128> Trevinho, hey, is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nautilus/+bug/1170647 something you plan to look at? it's quite an active ticket [09:33] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1170647 in unity (Ubuntu) "Clicking on Nautilus’ launcher icon opens new window instead of restoring the minimized one when browsing external drives/locations" [High,Triaged] [09:34] <seb128> Trevinho, recent comments point to the fix for bug #753938 as creating the issue [09:34] <ubot5> bug 753938 in unity (Ubuntu) "Launcher - Open Trash window prevents Nautilus being launched when a user clicks on the Nautilus Launcher icon" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/753938 [10:18] <darkxst> Laney, replied [10:18] <darkxst> Laney, did you ever look at fixing codesearch? [10:18] <Laney> not yet [10:19] <Laney> i just wrote it on my todo list [10:27] <darkxst> Laney, ok === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === alan_g is now known as alan_g|lunch [12:30] <seb128> Laney, "Don't know how to respond to inline comments" [12:30] <seb128> you select the revision in the combo [12:30] <seb128> then you have those listed and you can replu [12:30] <seb128> reply [12:30] <Laney> oh yeah [12:31] <Laney> I guess it was showing me the newest one [12:48] <didrocks> desrt: larsu: hey, small question on the glib signals. If I send a signal on any thread, the signal will be received and handled on the mainloop thread everytime, right? (there is no magic to respawn that in a calling thread) [12:48] <desrt> didrocks: unix signal or glib signal? [12:49] <desrt> glib signals have no magic _at all_. they always execute exactly in place, and then return [12:49] <desrt> ie: always in the same thread, and the last handler is already done by the time the emission is over [12:50] <didrocks> desrt: glib signal [12:51] <desrt> didrocks: think of it as a function call and a foreach mixed together :) [12:51] <didrocks> oh, I thought it was handled by the mainloop [12:51] <desrt> so your statement about "received and handled on the mainloop thread every time" is definitely false [12:51] <didrocks> ok, so I need to do a idle_add() and then call the signal… [12:51] <desrt> signals and mainloops have zero integration [12:51] <desrt> yes. probably. [12:51] <desrt> or g_main_context_invoke() [12:52] <didrocks> yeah, making sense [12:52] <didrocks> thanks desrt :) [12:52] <desrt> note: be careful about which thread you dispatch the signal to [12:52] <desrt> depending on what you're building, the main thread could be the wrong choice [12:52] <desrt> (what are you building?) [12:52] <didrocks> for UI interactions only [12:52] <didrocks> I want that in the mainloop thread [12:52] <desrt> maybe.... [12:52] <didrocks> sounds about right? [12:52] <desrt> what are you building? [12:53] <didrocks> well, the developer tools, I have long standing threaded calls [12:53] <desrt> if it's UI, you might already be in the main thread always [12:53] <didrocks> and I want the response to the user to be sent back to the UI thread === alan_g|lunch is now known as alan_g [12:53] <desrt> if it's non-UI then it stands to reason that maybe someone wants to use your stuff without UI [12:53] <didrocks> so that the UI can display what it needs to display [12:54] <desrt> like maybe one day you write a dbus/network service to handle these requests and it uses other threads... [12:54] <desrt> anyway... you should probably use the async convention here [12:54] <didrocks> actually, I just want all the responses send back to one thread, then, there is multiple backends installed [12:54] <desrt> and GTask [12:54] <didrocks> (only one run at a time) [12:54] <didrocks> can be a CLI backend, a ncurses, a QML one… [12:55] <desrt> take a look at GTask [12:55] * didrocks opens tab [12:55] <desrt> it basically gives you a very easy way to have some code run in a thread [12:55] <desrt> and return the result to the "user's thread" when it is done [12:55] <desrt> it manages all the boring details like threadpools, etc. for you [12:57] <didrocks> oh, excellent [12:57] <didrocks> will definitively have a look, thanks! [12:58] <desrt> there's a lot of examples of its use all over the place in GIO [12:58] <desrt> for example, in all of the standard classes like GInputStream, we "emulate" the async version (if the underlying stream does not support it) by creating a GTask and using it to run the "sync" verison on a thread [13:00] <didrocks> interesting [13:04] <darkxst> didrocks, did you ever take a look at the tracker MIR? [13:05] <didrocks> darkxst: not yet, I was discussing with it with seb128, I'll give it a look in the incoming days, but tracker will need time to review [13:05] <didrocks> however, once I'll jump on it, I'll go to the end in one shot :) [13:06] <darkxst> didrocks, ok, I added a nautilus patch to MIR, that only loads the tracker engine for GNOME [13:06] <darkxst> ^to the MIR bug [13:06] <didrocks> darkxst: yeah, I saw that, I think we should have a gsettings option rather [13:06] <didrocks> wdyt? [13:07] <darkxst> didrocks, not sure it makes a lot of sense, only GNOME uses tracker [13:08] <darkxst> and if people want to disable indexing there is the optional UI for that [13:09] <didrocks> darkxst: yeah, but if they want to enable it in Unity? [13:13] <darkxst> didrocks, that wouldnt do much unless Unity grows tracker integration [13:13] <didrocks> darkxst: nautilus itself isn't enough? [13:14] <darkxst> didrocks, nope, nautilus provides the "search provider" that hooks into tracker index [13:14] <darkxst> gnome-shell calls nautilus' "search provider" [13:15] <didrocks> ok in that sense, I think it still would be better as a gsettings in case another desktop environment grows its integration, but that's not a worry until this is the case [13:17] <darkxst> didrocks, happy to add that later, and upstream would mostly likely take patches for that [13:19] <didrocks> sure ;) [13:53] <seb128> Laney, what was the status of https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-system-settings/+bug/1324618 ? [13:53] <ubot5> Ubuntu bug 1324618 in ubuntu-system-settings (Ubuntu) "Storage app list does not always show icons when they are available" [High,New] [13:55] <Laney> ummmm === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [14:01] <Laney> haha oh here it is [14:01] <Laney> uhh, yeah, thanks for pointing that out [14:01] * Laney runs [14:02] <seb128> yw ;-) === alan_g is now known as alan_g|tea === m_conley_away is now known as m_conley === alan_g|tea is now known as alan_g [15:53] <Laney> seb128 is on a triaging spree! [15:54] <seb128> Laney, yeah, reviewing the settings bugslists, lot of small things in there :/ [15:54] <seb128> Laney, like your click sorting stopped working for some reason! [15:54] <Laney> yeah [15:54] <Laney> that definitely worked [15:54] <seb128> nice to see people doing work though [15:55] <Laney> i looked at that but didn't solve it, can try again [15:55] <seb128> like cyphermox adding some bluetooth new feature, Wellark and Satoris doing work for networks, Jonas updating the background screen [15:55] <seb128> oh, gatox working on the updates as well ;-) [15:56] <seb128> that one is quite tricky, we still have quite some UI issues [15:56] <seb128> (like the top anchors not being correct when the install button is not listed, or like the individual items that should hide the install bar when paused) [15:58] <gatox> seb128, i'll propose that branch that checks for the battery befor installing a system update as soon as i can test it... having some problems with my phone [15:58] <seb128> gatox, thanks [15:58] <seb128> Laney, do you have your icon one almost ready? I was pondering doing another landing [15:59] <Laney> yeah noticed it didn't fix everything, just testing another one [15:59] <seb128> k [16:04] <Laney> ooh, close that time [16:04] * Laney makes one tweak [16:27] <Laney> there [16:27] <Laney> not quite there but it's better === gatox is now known as gatox_lunch [16:41] <seb128> Laney, do you still want to work on it or should I review/land it like that? [16:42] <Laney> seb128: I think it's okay to review it now and I'll look at the other issue next week [16:43] <Laney> it only impacts one thing I have installed [16:43] <seb128> k [16:57] <seb128> Laney, that code is unhappy [16:57] <seb128> 2014-06-27 18:57:46,500 - WARNING - QFSFileEngine::open: No file name specified [16:58] <seb128> it dumps like 15 like that [16:58] <Laney> wasn't that there before? [16:58] <seb128> let me check [16:58] <seb128> it was ;-) [16:59] <Laney> not sure where it's from, mind [16:59] <seb128> yeah, I haz icons! [16:59] <Laney> woohoo! [17:01] <Laney> right I gotta go meet my dad for a beer (he's in town and I'm catching a train away for the weekend in 90 minutes) [17:01] <Laney> happy weekend desktop! [17:01] <seb128> Laney, thanks, have a good w.e as well! [17:02] <Laney> enjoy lyon ;-) [17:02] <Laney> I heard a rumour that didrocks has some sake with your name on it [17:03] <seb128> \o/ [17:04] <didrocks> yeah, but my wife doesn't want us to mix sake and beers :p [17:04] <seb128> we are going to need it [17:04] <didrocks> what a dilemna! [17:04] <seb128> not sure we get food any time soon [17:04] * didrocks is wondering between blackmailing seb128 or just tell that directly to Julie [17:04] <seb128> they decided to engage in japanese cooking, seems non trivial [17:04] <seb128> roh [17:05] * sarnold . . o o O O ("how long could it take to serve uncooked fish?") === alan_g is now known as alan_g|EOW [17:07] <didrocks> it's real japanese food :) [17:07] <didrocks> the one you cook, not the fancyness of sushi and mai [17:07] <didrocks> maki* [17:09] <sarnold> mmmm. katsudon. tonkatsu. udon. mochi. <3 === gatox_lunch is now known as gatox === linuxturtle is now known as jbrett === rsalveti_ is now known as rsalveti === sarnold_ is now known as sarnold === bdrung_ is now known as bdrung === m_conley is now known as m_conley_away [22:22] <Noskcaj> Would the desktop team be willing to maintain uhttpmock in ubuntu. It's a small package that libgdata needs to be able to build. bug 1327458 [22:22] <ubot5> bug 1327458 in uhttpmock (Ubuntu) "[MIR] uhttpmock" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1327458 |