2014/02/01/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:00] <valorie> the local buzz is that Microsoft will announce their new CEO once the superbowl brouhaha has settled
[00:00] <valorie> next week
[00:00] <ahoneybun> I mean I and now in a hard place because I don't have a product key as it seems it is in the bios
[00:00] <ahoneybun> and a iso seems hard to get for just Win 8
[00:00] <valorie> !efi
[00:00] <ubottu> UEFI is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. It is meant as a replacement for the BIOS. For information on how to set up and install Ubuntu and its derivatives on UEFI machines please read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UEFI
[00:00] <valorie> that thing?
[00:00] <ahoneybun> it has a BIOS emu
[00:00] <ahoneybun> but yea it is efi
[00:01] <valorie> evilness
[00:01] <ahoneybun> had to use the nomodeset option in the boot to get it to run the installer
[00:01] <ahoneybun> anyway brb
[00:01] <valorie> the gpu seems to be flaking out on this computer, and I dread trying to find a new one without fighting that
[00:01] <valorie> bleah
[00:03] <ahoneybun> about 12 seconds to boot
[00:03] <ahoneybun> to log screen
[00:03]  * mamarley 's computer (with UEFI and an SSD) boot about that fast.
[00:04]  * ahoneybun wonders if he used "nomodeset" in the kubuntu installer that it would work
[00:04] <ahoneybun> like in the ubuntu installer
[00:05] <mamarley> What kind of graphics card do you have?  Does your UEFI support CSM (Compatibility Support Mode)?
[00:05] <ahoneybun> it has a  option to act like BIOS
[00:05] <ahoneybun> I have 2 really one intel on the board and one nvidia 
[00:06] <mamarley> Some graphics drivers don't like booting if CSM is off.
[00:06] <mamarley> The Nvidia blob does fine with it off on my Thinkpad T530.  I do have Optimus disabled though.
[00:06] <ahoneybun> mamarley, GeForce GT 750M
[00:07] <ahoneybun> I did not install anything bumblebee or any non-free nvidia drivers
[00:07] <ahoneybun> which I had to do last time I installed Ubuntu 13.10 on this machine
[00:10] <ahoneybun> valorie, do you know the most amazing part of all this day so far?
[00:11] <valorie> what's that, ahoneybun?
[00:12] <ahoneybun> I plugged in a second monitor with hdmi and it just worked!
[00:12] <valorie> NICE
[00:12] <ahoneybun> that is epic
[00:12] <ahoneybun> not going to work in every case but still nice when it works
[00:13] <valorie> I still have to sleep and resume to get my display to work, which is extremely odd
[00:13] <ahoneybun> I am going to continue to bug test the new alpha 2 in a vm though
[00:13] <valorie> but I don't know if it's because of the flakey gpu or what
[00:13]  * jackyalcine thinks it's about time he tested alpha2
[00:13] <ahoneybun> it is prettystable for the most part have not really gone deep yet
[00:14] <ahoneybun> reported one bug in the installer but that was just wording
[00:14] <valorie> upgrade went fine to alpha one, but I haven't really used that laptop since upgrading it
[00:14] <ahoneybun> muon discover seems to be a bit better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> Now if opendesktop.org could look better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> and work better
[00:15] <jackyalcine> it could be the social hub for the F/OSS community
[00:15] <jackyalcine> but I digress
[00:17] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader 
[00:18] <ahoneybun> valorie, how long do we have for the translations to finish?
[00:18] <valorie> jackyalcine: I prefer http://www.freedesktop.org/
[00:18] <valorie> opendesktop isn't open, isn't free software, actually
[00:18] <ahoneybun> valorie, is it 1990?
[00:18] <valorie> 1990?
[00:19] <ahoneybun> that site
[00:19] <valorie> not sure when they were created, but it is the same company who makes kde-look, kde-apps, gnome-look, etc.
[00:20] <valorie> once Bodega gets going, we can start to leave that behind, I hope
[00:20] <ahoneybun> do most apps install to the / or do some install to /home ?
[00:21] <valorie> ahoneybun: I don't know what the schedule is; at some point we have to stop the translations and start creating the package, and moving the stuff to the website
[00:21] <ahoneybun> that is the point how do we determine that date?
[00:21] <valorie> I haven't a clue
[00:21] <valorie> perhaps write to KDE-devel and ask?
[00:21] <ahoneybun> perhaps
[00:22] <jackyalcine> I didn't know that Bodega's the replacement
[00:22] <valorie> not yet
[00:23] <valorie> but it is being developed
[00:23] <ahoneybun> kde-devel or kubuntu-dev?
[00:23] <valorie> oops, kubuntu-devel
[00:23] <valorie> kde-devel would be confused by that question, lol
[00:23] <ahoneybun> lol yep
[00:24] <jarkko_> is it possible that window manager grabs keyboard that it cant be used on full screen program?
[00:26]  * ahoneybun wonders now if the deadline follows the package upload/update freeze
[00:28] <valorie> rather closely
[00:28] <valorie> since we have to upload a package
[00:28] <ahoneybun> as we would need to get the kubuntu-doc package in before then
[00:28] <valorie> right
[00:28] <valorie> as i was saying, we need to start documenting this stuff
[00:29] <valorie> such as where to find deadlines, how to create and upload the package, arranging for translations, etc.
[00:30] <ahoneybun> I have the deadline for 14.04 somewhere 
[00:30] <ahoneybun> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrustyTahr/ReleaseSchedule
[00:31] <valorie> like our ninjas have documented their workflow, we should do as well
[00:32] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: http://test.kubuntu.co.uk/hello-world/ works well, but http://test.kubuntu.co.uk has a broken image
[00:32] <ahoneybun> yea but where to start
[00:33] <valorie> make a page on the wiki and I'll start
[00:33] <valorie> you add in what you know, and sgclark can add, etc.
[00:33] <ahoneybun> where is the one for the ninjas that I can model from>
[00:33] <valorie> make a card in the trello so people know where to find it
[00:34] <valorie> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas
[00:34] <ahoneybun> something like DocsPeople?
[00:34] <ahoneybun> as a name
[00:35] <valorie> nice nitty-gritty page: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/BuildEnvironment
[00:35] <valorie> hmmm
[00:35] <valorie> people sounds more like a team listing
[00:36] <valorie> how about DocWork ?
[00:37] <ahoneybun> that would work
[00:39] <ahoneybun> wow the wiki seems to be a bit off lol
[00:39] <ahoneybun> got a huge python error when I try to log in
[00:40] <valorie> hmmm
[00:40] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs hasn't been used for awhile
[00:40] <ahoneybun> not since the 13.10 package
[00:41] <ahoneybun> still set for raring
[00:41] <valorie> ah, I was just looking at the wrong place; no recent blueprints
[00:41] <valorie> since we don't use the blueprints any more
[00:41] <valorie> trello is better
[00:41] <valorie> there is a Trusty package already
[00:42] <ahoneybun> I just saw that
[00:42] <valorie> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/trusty/+source/kubuntu-docs
[00:42] <valorie> so that will need to be replaced
[00:42] <valorie> updated, whatever
[00:42] <ahoneybun> but it has the same date as the 13.10 one
[00:43] <valorie> right, probably identical content
[00:43] <ahoneybun> yeaa
[00:43] <valorie> that's always the starting point
[00:43]  * ahoneybun is installing bzr for later work on launchpad
[00:44] <ahoneybun> why don't we have launchpad setup for bug reports?
[00:45] <valorie> somewhere I have a doc I made when working on the old docs
[00:45] <valorie> I'll email that to you
[00:45] <ahoneybun> ok cool
[00:45] <valorie> you can use what bits are useful and ditch the rest
[00:45]  * ahoneybun wants to take control of the kubuntu-docs page on lp
[00:46] <valorie> I assume we don't use the bug tracker now because we stopped developing on launchpad
[00:46] <valorie> but if you take control of it, perhaps you can change that
[00:46] <valorie> I would talk to the ubuntu-docs folks about that
[00:46] <ahoneybun> I mean apachelogger put a bug on our docs though the ubuntu one because we dont have it
[00:46] <valorie> since we are part of that larger team
[00:47] <valorie> I'm sure they know how to flip the switch
[00:47] <valorie> almost pizza time here.....
[00:47] <ahoneybun> and that is filled with old bug reports and since we restared the docs we should have a clean plate
[00:47] <valorie> right
[00:48] <valorie> again, if you are in charge, you can probably mark the old bugs as outdated or something
[00:48] <ahoneybun> I would move the current ones that we have though over 
[00:48] <ahoneybun> well the old bugs are on the ubuntu side of it
[00:48] <ahoneybun> not the kubuntu-docs page it self
[00:48] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-docs <- old things
[00:48] <ahoneybun> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kubuntu-docs <- our own page
[00:50] <valorie> ok, off to pizza
[00:50] <valorie> later....
[00:50] <ahoneybun> later
[03:00] <ScottK> 4.10.5 is accepted and building for saucy.
[03:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: Accepted.
[07:29] <valorie> I'm looking over old email and see one from d_ed about Ktp that was never answered -- did someone take over the https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/daily-builds PPA?
[07:53] <jackyalcine> that's a good question, I haven't noticed any updates from it
[08:15] <valorie> he requested someone to take over the PPA
[08:15] <valorie> I'll forward back to the list if no one answers here
[09:54] <cortexA9> hello
[09:54] <cortexA9> Riddell: 
[09:54] <cortexA9> :)
[09:54] <cortexA9> there is a problem
[09:55] <cortexA9> i have kubuntu trusty
[09:55] <cortexA9> but on startup
[09:55] <cortexA9> doesn't start correctly
[09:56] <cortexA9> i must select an old kernel
[09:58] <cortexA9> if i select 
[09:58] <cortexA9> kubuntu
[09:58] <cortexA9> doesn't start correctly
[11:55] <alvin> Riddels talk is going to start in 5 minutes
[12:01] <Quintasan> ScottK: Thanks!
[12:32] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:33] <jarkko> does anyone know if there is a know problem that window manager can grab your keyboard?
[12:33] <jarkko> in fullscreen program
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[14:27] <akki2222> hi
[14:28] <akki2222> i want to contribute in kde but when updating my xubuntu for kde development through debian repos it behaves abnormally
[14:28] <akki2222> removed a lot of files including xubuntu desktop
[14:29] <akki2222> which repos should i use for development?
[14:33] <ghostcube> you should stay with the X(buntu) repos? not going to debian imo
[14:33] <ghostcube> debian repos arent the same as ubuntu repos
[14:36] <akki2222> i was reading the pdf n it said to update for kde build
[15:10] <ghostcube> hmmm who did muon? can i ask something? in synpatic you can choose remove completely.. so with program settings files. in muon you cant any reason for this?
[15:48] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: do you reffer to the footer?
[16:29] <lordievader> Good afternoon.
[16:40] <ahoneybun> hey lordievader 
[16:41] <lordievader> Hey ahoneybun, how are you doing?
[16:42] <ahoneybun> good netflix is being silly right now but good
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[17:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: ping
[17:00] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: when's the KDE Dinner?
[17:03] <shadeslayer_> nvm
[21:45] <valorie> ovidiu-florin: the header, actually
[21:45] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: how come?
[21:46] <valorie> good question
[21:46] <valorie> I didn't look at the html
[21:46] <valorie> sec
[21:52] <ovidiu-florin> valorie: I mean I don't understand what you see it's wrong?
[21:52] <valorie> perhaps I can take a screenshot
[21:53] <valorie> hmmm, today I see the headers
[21:53] <valorie> header
[21:53] <valorie> perhaps it was just being stubborn yesterday
[21:54] <valorie> today it appears everything is not only working, but it's lovely as well
[22:15] <kubotu> ::workspace-bugs:: [1267977] Extreme jerkiness with kwin compositing on Nvidia binary driver after upgrading to 4.11.5. @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1267977 (by Michael Marley)
[22:42] <soee> ok just sent £4,00 GBP donation :) who first than can buy beer :)
[22:44] <valorie> heh