2012/12/06/#kubuntu-devel.txt

[00:30] <yofel> full disk encryption passed on amd64. I had some issues with shutdown, but nothing critical for alpha1
[00:31]  * yofel is off to bed
[00:32] <ScottK> yofel: Thanks.
[00:32] <Tygart> ScottK: I wish I knew more about how to test I am running 13.04 64 bit "AMD Turion 64 X2". The only issue I have is Plasma desktop keeps crashing. 
[00:33] <Tygart> more info here http://www.kubuntuforums.net/showthread.php?61269-Kubuntu-%2813-04%29-%E2%80%9CPlasma-Desktop%E2%80%9D-keeps-crashing
[00:50] <ScottK> That backtrace is worth filing as a bug in bugs.kde.org.
[01:17] <Tygart> ScottK: Thanks Scott I sent it in. 
[08:16] <shadeslayer> Quintasan_: pong
[08:16] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I already talked to upstream, they told me they could do a dirty port of qtgstreamer
[08:17] <shadeslayer> gkiagia on #kde-telepathy has more info 
[08:31] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Could you work out getting something going?  Stuff is blocked from migrating from proposed due to our packages not being ported.
[08:38] <Noskcaj> anyone know whats causing bug 1066223
[08:38] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1066223 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "kde ubiquity detects Sydney timezone but says Adelaide" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1066223
[08:45] <Noskcaj> the amd64 kubuntu alpha image freezes when you hit next with install mp3 selected
[08:45] <Noskcaj>  can someone confirm?
[08:54] <shadeslayer> erk
[08:55] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, why you go "erk" ?
[08:55] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: by hang do you mean it shows the spinning icon
[08:56] <shadeslayer> and erk because it's blocking stuff
[08:56] <shadeslayer> it = gst
[08:56] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, yes, and understandable
[08:56] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I'll email George this evening
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: sec
[08:58] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: something like bug 1085991
[08:58] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1085991 in ubiquity (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity stuck at "Preparing to install Kubuntu"" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1085991
[08:59] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, sounds similar but it only happens when mp3 is selected
[08:59] <shadeslayer> oh
[08:59] <shadeslayer> iirc I had mp3 stuff ticked as well
[09:00] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: could you run apport-collect 1085991 when trying to install and it hangs? ( run it after it hangs )
[09:00] <Noskcaj> what do you mean?
[09:00] <shadeslayer> xnox: ^ possibly similar bug
[09:01] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: it'll attach logs to the bug report
[09:01] <shadeslayer> so that we can figure out what's wrong
[09:01] <Noskcaj> ok, i will after this testcase(kubuntu amd64 manual)
[09:01] <shadeslayer> cool
[09:04] <Noskcaj> i may have to wait till tomorrow as i have to be finished by 8:30pm AEDST (+11utc)
[09:05] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, so do i let it get to the "freeze" or run apport-collect before then
[09:05] <Noskcaj> and does this have to be from the live desktop?
[09:11] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, are you sure that is the same bug?
[09:11] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: almost, seems to exhibit the same symptoms
[09:12] <Noskcaj> ok, i am at the freeze, what do i do?
[09:12] <shadeslayer> press alt+F1
[09:12] <shadeslayer> erm
[09:12] <shadeslayer> alt+F2
[09:12] <shadeslayer> type konsole
[09:12] <shadeslayer> then run apport-collect 1085991
[09:13] <Noskcaj> nothing happens. do i need to be in a live desktop?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> didn't konsole open?
[09:13] <Noskcaj> alt+f2 didn't
[09:13] <shadeslayer> oh
[09:13] <shadeslayer> that's weird
[09:13] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: are you connected to the network?
[09:13] <shadeslayer> s/the/a
[09:13] <Noskcaj> yeah, i'm in Vbox though
[09:13] <shadeslayer> ah no issue
[09:14] <shadeslayer> can you switch to a tty? ( Ctrl + Alt + F1 )
[09:14] <shadeslayer> then run apport-collect 1085991
[09:14] <Noskcaj> one sec, i was about to change to the live desktop
[09:15] <shadeslayer> okay
[09:19] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, acidently made that happen on my own pc and had to restart
[09:19] <shadeslayer> haha :D
[09:20] <shadeslayer> Noskcaj: pro tip, kill an application using ctrl+alt+esc and click on offending app
[09:20] <shadeslayer> only kills app, no need to restart
[09:21] <Noskcaj> if pnly i knew sooner
[09:21] <shadeslayer> okay, does anyone know where the 12.10 comes from in ubiquity?
[09:22] <xnox> shadeslayer: .disk_info file?!
[09:22] <shadeslayer> hmmm
[09:22] <shadeslayer> that's odd then
[09:22] <Noskcaj> i will ask that question in -quality incase someone knows more
[09:23] <xnox> shadeslayer: well it's .disk/info
[09:23] <shadeslayer> xnox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu/+bug/1086034
[09:23] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1086034 in ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu (Ubuntu) "Ubiquity slideshows still refer to 12.10" [Medium,New]
[09:24] <shadeslayer> oh that's the *slideshow*
[09:24] <shadeslayer> nvm 
[09:28] <xnox> shadeslayer: slideshows are static & need reuploading.
[09:28] <shadeslayer> right
[09:29] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, it happend again, i had to restart
[09:29] <shadeslayer> oh hmm
[09:29] <Noskcaj> i am using xubuntu if that changes anything
[09:29] <shadeslayer> don't think so
[09:32] <Noskcaj> i have to go, will be back on at 6:00am AEDST
[11:18] <Quintasan_> shadeslayer: kio-mtp can't copy directories now
[11:18] <Quintasan_> it can't handle them here T_T
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[11:18] <shadeslayer> heh
[11:19] <shadeslayer> I'm just the packager, and for some reason it doesn't want to work with png
[11:19] <shadeslayer> *png files
[11:19] <shadeslayer> file a bug ? :P
[11:19] <Quintasan> I nominate you as the link between upstream and us
[11:19] <Quintasan> you do it :P
[11:19] <shadeslayer> durrr
[11:20] <Quintasan> Well, I have to go to buy a present for my friend, if you don't file it now then I will do it later anyways
[11:20] <Riddell> proofreaders: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Alpha2/Kubuntu
[11:21] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'll file it later
[11:21] <shadeslayer> also uploaded a quantal package in experimental
[11:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: No glaring mistakes there
[11:21] <Quintasan> Riddell: Will read it in detail is bus
[11:23]  * smartboyhw goes in to the ISO tracker to report a success testcase for Kubuntu Alpha 1
[11:25] <Riddell> Quintasan: feel free to think of things to add/improve too
[11:25] <Riddell> smartboyhw: great thanks
[11:36] <soee> shadeslayer, 4.10 beta2 for quantal?
[11:36]  * shadeslayer looks at Riddell
[11:36] <Riddell> needs done for raring first
[11:36] <Riddell> then yes, I'd like to backport it
[11:37] <Riddell> but I'm on alpha 1 this morning
[11:39] <shadeslayer> what needs doing for Beta 2?
[11:40] <yofel_> there are a few missing packages at least
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[11:40]  * shadeslayer looks
[11:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: yofel pointed out gwenview, cantor, dragon and perlkde as missing so I think they'll have patched that need refreshed/removed
[11:42] <shadeslayer> aha
[11:42] <Riddell> and of course all the yellow and red here http://starsky.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-ppa-build-status.html
[11:42] <shadeslayer> yeah was looking at that
[11:46] <yofel> Riddell: wrong # - I'll take care of the crash fix
[11:47] <smartboyhw> Riddell, you want me to run the "Non-English Live session & Installation; Full Network Support" thing?
[11:47] <smartboyhw> That testcase
[11:47] <Riddell> smartboyhw: that would be cool
[12:07] <smartboyhw> Ha the string not translated in the slideshow for Chinese (Traditional) is actually the sentence "Thank you for choosing Kubuntu 12.10" LOL. 
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
[12:10] <Riddell> our images are oversized
[12:10] <Riddell> based on a round SI GB limit of 1000000000 bytes
[12:11] <Riddell> can I bump it up to a binary GiB limit of 1 073 741 824 bytes?
[12:22] <shadeslayer> dat unit
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: you mean from 8.881784197e-7 peta bytes to 9.53674316406e-7 peta bytes?
[12:25] <Riddell> um
[12:25] <shadeslayer> hehehe
[12:25] <Riddell> your mind has a weird way of counting, what a geek
[12:35] <soee> guys the reason that other distros like OpenSuse have beta version of KDE available as soon as they show up is because of bigger community/developers working on it or because they don't preparing it for upcoming releases?
[12:40] <shadeslayer> not sure, but I've never seen them contributing armhf fixes and what not
[12:40] <shadeslayer> so maybe they just target x86* ?
[12:41] <smartboyhw> Riddell, Non-English testcase for amd64 completed, so I think you can mark the amd64 ISO ready now
[12:41] <shadeslayer> mmm .. when did we upload beta 2 this time?
[12:41] <shadeslayer> soee: I'm working on getting b2 out today
[12:41] <shadeslayer> as long as someone tests it on raring
[12:42]  * smartboyhw doesn't understand why VirtualBox shows "Aborted" when he shuts down Kubuntu in the normal way
[12:42] <soee> later at home i can test it with VB
[12:43] <shadeslayer> cool
[12:43] <soee> on my machine at home i have quantal so i can test quantal also
[12:43] <soee> x64
[12:43] <shadeslayer> well
[12:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I'd like to upload quantal today after being done with raring
[12:44]  * shadeslayer wonders if the automation script works with remote signatures and what not
[12:47] <shadeslayer> lolwat
[12:47] <shadeslayer> gwenview built just fine here
[12:49] <shadeslayer> so very odd
[12:50]  * smartboyhw wonders will anyone do the amd64+mac images
[12:50] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: ?
[12:50] <shadeslayer> I tested them last night
[12:51] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, well aren't it supposed to have all the testcases completed?
[12:51] <shadeslayer> uh, usually that doesn't happen :)
[12:51]  * smartboyhw thought that is standard procedure (at least for Ubuntu Desktop)
[12:51] <shadeslayer> it probably is, but we don't have as many resources as them
[12:52] <smartboyhw> ooh
[12:52] <smartboyhw> alright
[12:52] <shadeslayer> so if someone donates a spare macbook pro to me, I could probably do the testing
[12:52] <shadeslayer> but don't want to do it on my work machine
[12:54] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, you don't necessary need to have a MacBook PRO right?;P Get a Macbook Air, or even a Mac mini ...
[12:54] <shadeslayer> sure
[12:54] <shadeslayer> but I ain't buying more apple hardware
[12:54] <shadeslayer> I'm sick of this MBP as it is
[12:57] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: where are my mallit packages?!!
[12:59] <shadeslayer> agateau: your fix doesn't build on i386 :(
[12:59] <shadeslayer> oh fun
[12:59] <agateau> shadeslayer: really? :( do you have a build log?
[12:59] <shadeslayer> libjpeg-turbo8-dev:i386: /usr/include/jpeglib.h
[13:00] <shadeslayer> agateau: are you in the kubuntu-ninjas team?
[13:00] <shadeslayer> agateau: https://i125024006.restricted.launchpadlibrarian.net/125024006/buildlog_ubuntu-raring-i386.gwenview_4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz?token=0b0efc87cb05a0aa521ffdf4da075708
[13:00] <shadeslayer> if not : http://paste.kde.org/620870/
[13:00] <agateau> shadeslayer: I guess I am not: I get a "No Such Resource" msg
[13:01] <agateau> shadeslayer: thanks
[13:01] <shadeslayer> you're using chrom{e.ium}
[13:01] <shadeslayer> which has a weird bug
[13:02] <agateau> shadeslayer: no
[13:02] <shadeslayer> oh .. which browser?
[13:02] <agateau> shadeslayer: link opened in konqueror
[13:02] <shadeslayer> I see ...
[13:02] <shadeslayer> guess konqueror has the same bug
[13:03] <shadeslayer> hmm ... jconfig is there : /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/jconfig.h
[13:04] <agateau> shadeslayer: and what is ${CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE} on i386?
[13:04] <shadeslayer> sec
[13:04] <shadeslayer> obj-i686-linux-gnu/CMakeFiles/2.8.10.1/CMakeCXXCompiler.cmake:  set(CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE "i386-linux-gnu")
[13:05] <agateau> so it should work
[13:05] <agateau> or I do not interpret find_file doc correctly
[13:07] <yofel> shadeslayer: where do you get "libjpeg-turbo8-dev:i386: /usr/include/jpeglib.h" ?
[13:07] <yofel> that is /usr/include/i386-linux-gnu/jconfig.h here
[13:07] <yofel> er, nvm
[13:07] <shadeslayer> root@server:~/gwenview-4.9.90# dpkg -S jpeglib.h
[13:07] <shadeslayer> libjpeg-turbo8-dev:i386: /usr/include/jpeglib.h
[13:07] <shadeslayer> :)
[13:07] <yofel> I need more coffee
[13:07] <yofel> yeah, jpeglib.h is there, jconfig.h isn#t
[13:08] <shadeslayer> aye
[13:09] <agateau> can you spot what is wrong in this then: find_file(JCONFIG_H jconfig.h PATHS "${JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR}" PATH_SUFFIXES "${CMAKE_LIBRARY_ARCHITECTURE}")?
[13:09]  * yofel looks up what PATH_SUFFIXES does
[13:10] <yofel> hm... that should work o.O
[13:12] <agateau> especially since it works on amd64 (just checked)
[13:13]  * agateau is puzzled
[13:14] <shadeslayer> eh wat
[13:14] <shadeslayer>     # libjpeg-turbo keeps JPEG_LIB_VERSION in jconfig.h, not jpeglib.h :/
[13:14] <shadeslayer>     find_file(JCONFIG_H jconfig.h
[13:14] <shadeslayer>         PATHS "${JPEG_INCLUDE_DIR}"
[13:14] <shadeslayer>         PATH_SUFFIXES "x86_64-linux-gnu"
[13:14] <shadeslayer>         )
[13:14] <agateau> shadeslayer: ah, you don't have the very latest code
[13:14] <shadeslayer> but ... I thought your released it with 4.9.90?
[13:14] <agateau> no, committed that shortly after the tag iirc
[13:14]  * agateau checks
[13:14] <shadeslayer> ahhh okay
[13:15] <shadeslayer> makes sense
[13:15] <agateau> seems like beta are not tagged :(
[13:15] <agateau> weird
[13:16] <shadeslayer> heh
[13:16] <shadeslayer> anywho, compiling with https://projects.kde.org/projects/kde/kdegraphics/gwenview/repository/revisions/67726648531755a4dab131a1926dd17cc8f969d2/diff
[13:17] <shadeslayer> lets see
[13:17] <agateau> There is a v4.9.80 tag, but no v4.9.90
[13:17] <shadeslayer> someone forgtot to push tags then
[13:17] <shadeslayer> \o/
[13:18] <agateau> where is tsdgeos when one needs him :)
[13:23] <ScottK> Riddell: I assume we're not releasing amd64+mac and it should be removed from the tracker?
[13:23] <shadeslayer> so I tested it for nothing?
[13:24] <shadeslayer> :(
[13:24] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, heh I am correct for a bit now:P
[13:24] <shadeslayer> smartboyhw: indeed :)
[13:25] <shadeslayer> okay, so only perlkde left
[13:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: There's no install testing of the current image.
[13:26] <shadeslayer> I install tested the ISO before you respun it :P
[13:26] <ScottK> Riddell: ^^^ ?
[13:26]  * ScottK passess the buck.
[13:26] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, LOL
[13:27] <shadeslayer> ;)
[13:35] <shadeslayer> all missing packages uploaded
[13:36]  * shadeslayer looks at status page
[13:36] <Riddell> ScottK: it could go either way really
[13:37] <Riddell> mm live only tested
[13:37] <Riddell> I think it needs at least one install
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I installed it a couple of days ago
[13:42] <shadeslayer> so unless something changed dramatically, it was fine
[13:42] <shadeslayer> your discretion really
[13:49] <ScottK> Riddell: shadeslayer has a fair point.  There's no evidence from the other images of issues due to the respinn.
[13:49] <ScottK> s/respinn/respin/
[13:49] <kubotu> ScottK meant: "Riddell: shadeslayer has a fair point.  There's no evidence from the other images of issues due to the respin."
[13:52] <Riddell> "I've been basically running Kubuntu 12.04 for the last several months and am finding it without a doubt one of the best distros I've ever run" I like my google "Kubuntu" alert it makes me smile
[13:52] <shadeslayer> :D
[13:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: like I said before, we should make an announcement for business card designs on G+
[13:53] <Riddell> shadeslayer: go ahead
[13:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can't access G+
[13:55] <shadeslayer> it says it's down
[13:55] <Riddell> you broke google!
[13:56] <Riddell> do you know how much trouble you'll get in for doing that?
[13:56] <smartboyhw> LOL
[13:56] <shadeslayer> yay
[13:56] <smartboyhw> shadeslayer, stop saying yay
[13:57] <smartboyhw> That is clearly not yay
[13:57] <shadeslayer> okay :(
[13:57] <soee> :)
[14:02] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "The Kubuntu team is looking for awesome buisness card designs! Show us your designs and it might become the official buisness card for the Kubuntu team !"
[14:02] <shadeslayer> sound good enough?
[14:02] <shadeslayer> *business
[14:03] <soee> shadeslayer, business card ?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> yus
[14:03] <BluesKaj> ok what's the pay :)  ?
[14:03] <shadeslayer> lol
[14:04] <soee> shadeslayer, what it shoudl contain ?
[14:04] <shadeslayer> maybe Riddell has a spare Kubuntu polo tee left over he can giveaway for the design that wins?
[14:05] <Riddell> I'm all out
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[14:06] <BluesKaj> heh, they don't make them large enough for guys like me,  3XLT would be minimum 
[14:06] <Riddell> but I did give two to some people at copenhagen that i've not got back
[14:06] <Riddell> hint.. Quintasan 
[14:07] <BluesKaj> however I did find one from the cranky geeks that fit 
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[14:18] <shadeslayer> mmm
[14:23] <shadeslayer> oh hah
[14:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://i.imgur.com/lIeKw.png
[14:24] <shadeslayer> those look neat tbh
[14:25] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well they've release version specific
[14:25] <Riddell> and don't have space for contact details
[14:25] <shadeslayer> true
[14:25] <kubotu> ::qt-bugs:: [1087259] update to 4.8.4 @ https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1087259 (by André Stein)
[14:25] <shadeslayer> but hey, we're getting replies :P
[14:25] <Riddell> where?
[14:25] <shadeslayer> G+
[14:26] <Riddell> nice
[14:29] <soee> shadeslayer, ill ask friend of mine to prepare one project also :)
[14:30] <shadeslayer> cool!
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: I'm doing your work now :P
[14:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: could you take over marble, I've gtg
[14:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: ok
[14:32] <soee> shadeslayer, we are talking about kubuntu project only ?
[14:36] <shadeslayer> soee: yes
[14:37] <shadeslayer> though if they want, they could do it for the other community projects as well
[14:37] <soee> where can i find link for kubuntu logo ?
[14:39] <Riddell> KubuntuArtwork on wiki
[14:43] <soee> ok, thank you Riddell 
[14:49] <Quintasan> Riddell: Well I'll be sending one of mine to Darkwing
[14:49] <Riddell> Quintasan: oh cool
[14:49] <Riddell> shadeslayer: did you get two at copenhagen?
[14:49] <Riddell> I'm sure someone else got two
[14:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes, but I returned mine
[14:56] <shadeslayer> remember when I came at night to your room to return one of them?
[14:56] <Riddell> mm right
[14:56] <Riddell> I guess we're all out then
[14:58] <ScottK> Riddell: I did some edits on our announcement on the wiki.  Please make check you're OK with them.
[14:58] <shadeslayer> Riddell: "It could be Corel CDR too, or only SVG and PDF?"
[14:59] <ScottK> The global menu bug turned out to be a problem in quantal too and the 12.10 in the slideshow is trivium.  So I removed them.
[14:59] <shadeslayer> I guess SVG only
[14:59]  * ScottK has more than one.
[14:59]  * smartboyhw wonders will anybody test the amd64+mac image, the only one not ready:P
[14:59] <ScottK> smartboyhw: We aren't going to release it.
[14:59] <smartboyhw> ScottK, yo:D
[14:59] <Riddell> oh marble joins the ranks of projects that don't keep ABI stability http://paste.kde.org/620954/
[15:01] <shadeslayer> mmm
[15:01] <Riddell> ScottK: lovely
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ok, where was I ..
[15:04] <Riddell> shadeslayer: gtg?
[15:04] <shadeslayer> ah yes
[15:04] <shadeslayer> nah, back from what I had to do
[15:05] <shadeslayer> ah yes, loooking at status page
[15:06] <ScottK> Riddell: Do you have the kubuntu.org announement queued up?
[15:07] <shadeslayer> libkdcraw has new symbols?
[15:07] <Riddell> ScottK: I don't but I can put up a sentence or two now
[15:07] <ScottK> Great.
[15:08] <ScottK> shadeslayer: They broke API from 4.9 -> 4.10.
[15:08] <shadeslayer> mmm
[15:09] <ScottK> Which is why Kamoso and Kphotoalbum are currently broken.
[15:11] <Riddell> https://www-admin.kubuntu.org/news/13.04-alpha1  for those who can see it
[15:11] <Riddell> it just says "<a href="https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RaringRingtail/Alpha1/Kubuntu">Alpha 1 of our 13.04 development version</a> is available for download and testing. It comes with the latest testing release of KDE's Plasma desktop and applications.
[15:11] <Riddell> "
[15:12] <shadeslayer> fun
[15:13] <ScottK> No photos with kayaks and stickers on your head?
[15:14] <Riddell> ach I've not done that for years
[15:14] <Riddell> but I would like to do a blog post today with more photos from copenhagen
[15:16]  * Riddell goes for a walk back shortly
[15:19]  * ScottK is ready to publish on kubuntu.org
[15:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: any ideas what we decided wrt ffmpeg stuff and nepomuk?
[15:21] <shadeslayer> because I can't find a lib to satisfy that depends
[15:22] <ScottK> I think we decided to disable it until we were sure it only needed ffmpeg stuff we are allowed to ship on an image.
[15:22] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:23] <yofel> looking at neon, check if you can ship libavutil51, libavformat53 and libavcodec53
[15:24] <shadeslayer> okay, all 3 are in main
[15:25] <shadeslayer> so I guess they're OK to ship on the ISO?
[15:25] <ScottK> shadeslayer: No.
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh?
[15:25] <ScottK> Let me check.
[15:25] <ScottK> You have to look in the seeds
[15:25] <shadeslayer> oh, if they're blacklisted or not?
[15:26]  * vHanda is over here if you have any questions
[15:26] <ScottK> "libavcodec cannot be shipped on CDs (c.f. Ubuntu technical board resolution 2007-01-02)."
[15:26] <ScottK> So avutils and avformat are OK.
[15:27] <shadeslayer> ah herp derp
[15:27] <ScottK> Thanks vHanda.  We're (I think) mostly wrapped up in Ubuntu policy re patents and what we're allowed to ship or not on an image.
[15:27] <ScottK> You can ask the user to install it later and dlopen it.  That's allowed.
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ah
[15:30] <vHanda> shadeslayer: what did I what?
[15:30] <shadeslayer> huh?
[15:30] <vHanda> "Rohan:  ping. what did you install for ffmpeg headers?"
[15:30] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[15:30] <shadeslayer> found the right set of dev headers
[15:30] <vHanda> okay
[15:30] <shadeslayer> I've removed the libavcode-dev
[15:31] <shadeslayer> and it still says it found the ffmpeg stuff, so just need to check what it'll depend on
[15:31] <shadeslayer> *I've removed the libavcodec-dev build dep
[15:33] <shadeslayer> oh drat, something still pulls it in
[15:34] <shadeslayer> ScottK: can we have the ffmpeg extractor libs in a separate package?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> and then ask the user to install that
[15:34] <shadeslayer> vHanda: ^
[15:35] <vHanda> I ask the user?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> http://paste.kde.org/621014/ < these 2 in a separate file
[15:35] <vHanda> you mean separate package
[15:35] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at what we do for Konqueror and flash.  IIRC it's a distro patch.
[15:35] <vHanda> that works :)
[15:36] <shadeslayer> vHanda: will there be any adverse affect if we compile with ffmpeg stuff and split out those libs and ask the user to install them through some sort of dialog?
[15:36] <vHanda> nope
[15:36] <shadeslayer> ScottK: looking
[15:36] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: the DLRestrictions patch?
[15:39] <ScottK> Sounds vaguely right.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/kdelibs/view/head:/debian/patches/add_dlrestrictions_support.diff
[15:39] <ScottK> JontheEchidna would know about it, IIRC.
[15:39] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:43] <shadeslayer> I'm still contemplating if we can just ship another package and prompt the user to install that
[15:45] <ScottK> I'd say just disable it for now and finish 4.9.90.
[15:45] <shadeslayer> well it's disabled ;)
[15:46] <ScottK> Excellent.
[15:46] <ScottK> Can we start uploading 4.9.90 now?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> uhhh
[15:46] <shadeslayer> what about libkdcraw and libkdegames?
[15:46] <shadeslayer> and marble
[15:47] <shadeslayer> those 3 are the only things left afaictl
[15:47] <ScottK> Right, but it takes a while to get stuff built.
[15:48] <shadeslayer> and kmahjongg is still ftbfs
[15:48] <ScottK> May as well upload libs and then meta.
[15:48] <ScottK> I'm putting a block in place so none of it will migrate from raring-proposed before we are ready.
[15:48] <shadeslayer> okay
[15:48] <shadeslayer> sounds good
[15:48] <Riddell> kmahjongg is proving fiddly
[15:49]  * shadeslayer is having a look at that
[15:49] <ScottK> Riddell: How about we start on uploading 4.9.90 then.
[15:51] <Riddell> ScottK: yeah can do, although I think I'll keep going through and fixing the issues in ninjas
[15:51] <ScottK> I was mostly thinking about getting kde4libs built on all archs.
[15:51] <shadeslayer> ehwat
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: it builds fine here
[15:51] <shadeslayer> weird
[15:52] <Riddell> shadeslayer: libkmahjongglib4  installs?
[15:53] <shadeslayer> afaictl yes
[15:53] <shadeslayer> Riddell: http://paste.kde.org/621026
[15:53] <soee> ok im at home if you want me something to test just shoot
[15:55] <shadeslayer> Riddell: I've hit rebuild on i386, lets see
[15:55] <shadeslayer> maybe it was a temporary issue
[15:55] <Riddell>  libkmahjongglib4 : Depends: kdegames-mahjongg-data (= 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa1) but 4:4.9.90-0ubuntu1~ubuntu13.04~ppa2 is to be installed
[15:56] <Riddell> shadeslayer: no I guess I missed something there
[15:56] <shadeslayer> possibly
[16:02] <shadeslayer_> Riddell: didja find the issue?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> you want to dep on kmahjongg-data instead of kdegames-kmahjongg-data
[16:07] <shadeslayer> but then what's kdegames-kmahjongg-data
[16:07] <shadeslayer> hmm
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[16:10] <ScottK> Can someone seed Kubuntu torrents?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> sure
[16:11] <shadeslayer> okay, my torrent manager went down I think :P
[16:14] <smartboyhw> LOL
[16:14] <smartboyhw> bye 
[16:20] <shadeslayer> okay, it's up, should work
[16:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: I assumed there are seeds for every release
[16:21] <shadeslayer> as in, seeds from Canonical
[16:21] <ScottK> Yes, but there's a problem right now.
[16:21] <shadeslayer> oh okay
[16:23] <shadeslayer> I had to drop the older 12.04 images to make space :P
[16:44] <shadeslayer> afiestas: pingly
[16:44] <afiestas> shadeslayer: half pong
[16:45] <shadeslayer> heh okay
[16:45] <shadeslayer> afiestas: there's code to handle backlight hotkeys and sound hot keys in KDE right? do you know if there's code to handle keyboard brightness?
[16:46] <afiestas> there is a patch by mzanetti
[16:46] <shadeslayer> do you know where it is?
[16:47] <shadeslayer> ( I happen to have XF86KbdBrightnessDown and XF86KbdBrightnessUp keys, could probably test it )
[16:47] <soee> puff torrent downlad will take ~ 1,5 day :)
[16:47] <shadeslayer> soee: is it just your connection?
[16:48] <soee> 1 seed only
[16:48] <shadeslayer> that would be me
[16:48] <shadeslayer> soee: zsync it?
[16:48] <soee> zsync ?
[16:48] <shadeslayer> !zsync
[16:48] <ubottu> Use zsync to update your Ubuntu CD image without needing to download the parts that didn't change. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ZsyncCdImage
[16:49] <soee> never heard of it :D
[16:49] <ScottK> agateau: Who was the guy that took over p-w-menubar?  Need help figuring out Bug 1086868
[16:49] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 1086868 in libreoffice (Ubuntu) "No global menu in Plasma (KDE) session in Raring" [Undecided,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1086868
[16:49] <agateau> ScottK: Cédric Bellegarde
[16:49] <agateau> ScottK: his irc nick is gnumdk
[16:49] <ScottK> agateau: Thanks.
[16:50] <afiestas> https://git.reviewboard.kde.org/r/107329/
[16:50] <soee> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/
[16:50] <soee> whers the 13.04 image ?
[16:50] <ScottK> soee: Read the release announcement
[16:50] <soee> ok i think i missed something there 
[16:50] <ScottK> (linked from kubuntu.org)
[16:51] <shadeslayer> soee: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/13.04/alpha-1/
[16:51] <ScottK> agateau: He's not on #kde-devel.  Any idea where he hangs out?
[16:52] <agateau> ScottK: he is most likely offline then
[16:53] <ScottK> OK.  Thanks.
[16:53] <agateau> ScottK: you might want to contact him through https://launchpad.net/~gnumdk
[16:54] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:59] <soee> shadeslayer, 
[16:59] <shadeslayer> yes?
[17:00] <soee> ok so i have to download iso and than use it with torrent?
[17:01] <ScottK> yofel: Did you take care of today's 4.9.4 breakage?
[17:01] <shadeslayer> soee: sure
[17:31] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I must have uploaded an old version of the packaging
[17:31] <shadeslayer> okay
[17:31]  * shadeslayer is talking to the tomahawk guys
[17:32] <soee> testing alpha 1 in VB :)
[17:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I renamed it to kmahjongg-data so that's what it should be
[17:32] <shadeslayer> right :)
[17:45] <soee> is it possible to run VB in fullscreen mode ?
[17:53] <soee> what do you think about updating 12.10 to 13.04 ?
[17:54] <ScottK> soee: As we said in the release announcement, it may break.
[17:54] <ScottK> So you should consider how big a deal that is to you.
[17:54] <soee> :)
[17:55] <soee> i like to risk :)
[17:55] <ScottK> What would be useful is if you could keep your Alpha 1 VB install available to test upgrading to KDE SC 4.10 Beta 2 when we have packages ready (like you did with 4.9.4)
[17:56]  * shadeslayer wonders if he has raring-proposed enabled
[17:57] <shadeslayer> yep, so yay
[17:57] <soee> well i have 3.04 running on my VB
[17:57] <soee> *13.04
[17:57] <soee> works smooth and without errors so far
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[18:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You aren't supposed to enable raring-proposed.
[18:09] <shadeslayer> but ... but ... I'm a developer!
[18:10] <ScottK> Still not.
[18:10] <maco> but nothing's been proposed yet
[18:10] <ScottK> raring-proposed is for sync'ing up builds.
[18:11] <ScottK> maco: Sure.  Tons of stuff in proposed since that's where all uploads land initially now
[18:11] <maco> wow my server with quassel core on it thinks it's 12 minutes after the hour. my desktop thinks it's 9 minutes after the hour. hrmmm
[18:11] <maco> oh
[18:11] <shadeslayer> I was under the impression that proposed is for developers
[18:11] <maco> new policy stuffs
[18:11] <shadeslayer> like
[18:11] <shadeslayer> you can enable it, but be prepared to fix your stuff
[18:11] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Go ask infinity if you should have proposed enabled.
[18:11] <shadeslayer> hahaha
[18:11]  * shadeslayer is not sure if that's a good idea
[18:11]  * ScottK waits for the earth shattering kaboom.
[19:01] <soee> ok im seeding :)
[19:01] <soee> transfer ~ 500kbs
[19:14] <shadeslayer> :D
[19:15] <shadeslayer> interesting to see how amd64 is already ahead
[19:15] <shadeslayer> 3 GB's vs 1 GB
[19:16] <Noskcaj> shadeslayer, I'm back, anything happend with the bug?
[19:16] <shadeslayer> not that I know of, no
[19:16] <shadeslayer> I'm just about to go to sleep, my eyes, they buurrrnnn
[19:23] <Riddell> night night shadeslayer 
[19:24] <shadeslayer> night :)
[19:31] <Noskcaj> good night
[19:40] <Noskcaj> if anyone cared shadeslayer and i were working on a bug in the preparing to install kubuntu screen, i just found out it affects most flavours
[19:44] <shadeslayer> oh yay
[19:44] <shadeslayer> well
[19:44] <shadeslayer> not yay, but okay
[19:44] <shadeslayer> "business card format: 90 x 50 mm or 85 x 55 mm?"
[19:44] <shadeslayer> hah
[19:44] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ^ want to field that one on G+?
[19:44] <Riddell> um, I've no idea
[19:45] <Riddell> I've not looked for printers
[19:46] <shadeslayer> lemme check something real quick
[19:48] <shadeslayer> Measured a couple of cards, Canonical does 90x50 , KDE does 85x50
[19:49] <shadeslayer> Collabora does something like 82x52
[19:50] <shadeslayer> Harald's old Kubuntu card is 80x50
[19:51] <shadeslayer> 85x50 looks about right
[19:51] <highvoltage> at the very least it's a good idea to not have it bigger than a credit card in any direction
[19:52] <shadeslayer> true
[19:52] <soee> thats the standard from what i see
[19:52] <soee> same as credit card ISO 7810 ID-1
[19:53] <shadeslayer> my debit card is 80x50
[19:53] <highvoltage> I get annoyed when someone gives me a card and it doesn't actually fit in my wallet and I have to fold it and it just ends up taking more space in my wallet
[19:53] <shadeslayer> hehe
[19:53] <highvoltage> lots of people just end up throwing those away real soon
[20:00] <maco> i think 90x50 versus 85x55 is country-dependent
[20:00] <maco> US business cards are 2x3.5 inches, iirc
[20:00] <shadeslayer> inches @_@
[20:01] <shadeslayer> you're going to make a sleepy shadeslayer do conversions :(
[20:01] <maco> thats 89x50
[20:01] <shadeslayer> thx
[20:02] <maco> so, just like A4 is longer and narrower than letter, canonicals cards are longer and narrower than US cards
[20:03] <maco> no wait thats backwards
[20:03] <maco> canonicals match US
[20:04] <maco> wahhh
[20:04] <shadeslayer> heh
[20:04] <maco> screw it have a wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_card#Dimensions
[20:04] <shadeslayer> lol
[20:04] <shadeslayer> didn't realize there was an article about that
[20:04] <maco> oh i <3 wikipedia for paper size comparisons
[20:04] <maco> i have some B1 paper at home :P
[20:06] <shadeslayer> fun, India follows the 90x55 the UK follows 85x55
[20:06] <shadeslayer> lets get both then :P
[20:06] <shadeslayer> US : 88.9 × 50.8	
[20:06] <maco> yeah so the US one is like someone took the ones from the bottom row and hit them with a bit of sandpaper on the edges
[20:06] <shadeslayer> hey US, y u so weird
[20:07] <shadeslayer> ->sleep, for real
[20:07] <Riddell> shadeslayer: not yet caught up with metric
[20:26] <keithzg> Riddell: The U.S. is aggressively resisting metric. Hell, even up here in Canada people give stuff like their weights and heights in American Imperial
[20:27] <ScottK> It's the English Imperial system.
[20:27] <ScottK> They just gave up on it.
[20:42] <dantti_laptop> hi, can you please try to backport 64988f79dc199bbd4e96db0ea34f8c5bb6450747 of network manager? it will fix cisco vpn connection to show the auth dialog :)
[20:43] <ScottK> cyphermox: ^^^
[20:45] <cyphermox> let me check
[20:46] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: where's that commit from, do you have a URL? it doesn't match to anything here?
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> nm repo
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> afaik
[20:47] <dantti_laptop> let me check
[20:47] <cyphermox> still, it's not a valid commit id in cgit.freedesktop.org/NetworkManager/NetworkManager
[20:48] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: I'm looking twice because it seems like I've already fixed things if it's the issue with paths for starting auth dialogs
[20:49] <dantti_laptop> hmm we hunted this bug yesterday...
[20:50] <cyphermox> if you can give me a url to the patch or a patch directly I'll be happy to apply it
[20:50] <cyphermox> it's just that right now I'd be unable to find the code to apply ;)
[20:50] <cyphermox> oh wait, unless the web interface isn't up to date
[20:51] <cyphermox> not getting any more luck with git directly :/
[20:51] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/networkmanagement/repository/revisions/64988f79dc199bbd4e96db0ea34f8c5bb6450747
[20:52] <cyphermox> ah, that's very different
[20:52] <cyphermox> ScottK: are you available to merge request reviews if I apply this, before I upload?
[20:53] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: that's for raring, right?
[20:54] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: if it could be backported to quantal would be cool imo...
[21:05] <cyphermox> so maybe there's just no special packaging branch for networkmanagement
[21:06] <Riddell> cyphermox: we don't have a packaging branch of that no
[21:07] <cyphermox> Riddell: ok, thanks
[21:08] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: did you have a launchpad bug for this?
[21:09] <dantti_laptop> no
[21:10] <dantti_laptop> I was trying to convinf a coworker to use kde and we found this bug, I talked to lamarque, then we tested and it worked
[21:10] <dantti_laptop> *convince
[21:12] <cyphermox> ok
[21:13] <cyphermox> just let me finish up with this intricate mess of wpasupplicant patches, and I'll finish building/uploading networkmanagement
[21:14] <ScottK> cyphermox: Thanks for taking care of it.
[21:17] <cyphermox> dantti_laptop: going to start with raring, and do quantal tomorrow if you can remind me
[21:17] <dantti_laptop> cyphermox: sure, thanks :)
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[23:26] <yofel> ScottK: if you mean the 4.9.4 patch from dfaure, that's done
[23:26] <ScottK> yofel: Yes.  Thanks.