2012/09/11/#ubuntu-desktop.txt

[03:36] <pitti> Bonjour
[03:37] <stgraber> Morgen
[04:06] <Mirv> thumper: the .pc now in python-compizconfig will be removed from compiz-dev, so that'll get fixed as soon as we disturb someone with push rights to lp:ubuntu/compiz
[04:06] <Mirv> ideally though 0.9.8.2 will be ready today as well
[04:06] <thumper> Mirv: ok, but right now I can't do anything with my test laptop :(
[04:06] <thumper> Mirv: +1 for 0.9.8.2
[04:08] <Mirv> thumper: depending on what you need, well most probably you compile unity of course, you could remove compiz-dev package temporarily
[04:11] <thumper> Mirv: my laptop is running as pure quantal as it can right now
[04:11] <thumper> don't think it has a currently built unity
[04:23] <Mirv> thumper: hmm, you mean you're not running staging PPA? there hasn't been an upload of compiz with the problematic python-compizconfig change
[04:59] <thumper> Mirv: oh perhaps it is the staging ppa
[04:59] <thumper> ah yes it is
[05:43] <didrocks> good morning
[05:45] <RAOF> didrocks: Good morning.
[05:48] <didrocks> hey RAOF :)
[05:48] <didrocks> how are you?
[05:48] <RAOF> Somewhat inexplicably tired.
[05:48] <RAOF> Also somewhat explicably tired :)
[05:48] <RAOF> Yourself?
[05:49] <RAOF> Also, I think we've got a candidate problem for all the crashes in libdbus: threading.
[05:51] <didrocks> oh? excellent!
[05:52] <didrocks> I'm good, thanks :)
[06:23] <didrocks> RAOF: hey, in all your tireness, do you think you can spend few minutes to update your WI and so spec status?
[06:23] <didrocks> like https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-general, can we set it to "beta available"?
[06:59] <didrocks> pitti: the signon-ui issue should be fix with today's update btw
[06:59] <pitti>  didrocks: nice!
[06:59] <pitti> yay quantal
[07:04] <RAOF> didrocks: So I won't get kicked out of google services every 12 hours or so? :)
[07:05] <didrocks> RAOF: normally, you shouldn't :)
[07:37] <didrocks> hey chrisccoulson, how are you?
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> hi didrocks, i'm good thanks. how are you?
[08:13] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm fine! how was the mozilla week-end?
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: guten Morgen
[08:13] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, it was good thanks. but quite tiring :)
[08:13] <pitti> mvo: software-center tests currently fail, as they output to stderr
[08:14] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: heh, I can imagine :)
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: https://jenkins.qa.ubuntu.com/view/Quantal/view/AutoPkg%20Test/job/quantal-adt-software-center/lastFailedBuild/ARCH=i386,label=albali/artifact/results/dsc0t-run-tests-stderr
[08:14] <pitti> mvo: could the test script either drop the set -x or do an exec 2>&1 before?
[08:15] <pitti> mvo: I guess it also needs to unset TMPDIR, as it cannot change user and then copy to the adt temp dir
[08:15] <pitti> jibel: ^ FYI
[08:20] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, there was quite a few people from the french mozilla community there ;)
[08:21] <mvo> pitti: sure, doing that now - just to be clear my hack^Wworkaround for running as root is no longer needed?
[08:21] <didrocks> kinouchou was around, I guess I know at least 4 other people coming as well :)
[08:21] <pitti> mvo: not sure -- what was the workaround about?
[08:22] <pitti> mvo: I just unset TMPDIR in tests that involve multiple users, FWIW
[08:22] <mvo> pitti: su -lc ubuntu basic
[08:22] <mvo> ly
[08:22] <pitti> mvo: hm, depends -- I guess you would want the tests to run as non-root?
[08:22] <mvo> pitti: yes
[08:23] <pitti> otherwise you might have polkit permissions that normal users don't actually have
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: so I'd say keep the su for now
[08:23] <pitti> and do exec 2>&1 and "unset TMPDIR"
[08:23] <mvo> pitti: ok, I dropped the -x and unset TMPDIR now
[08:23] <pitti> mvo: danke!
[08:24] <mvo> pitti: thank you! I will upload soon(ish)
[08:27] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, kinouchou is the person i've met at UDS too, isn't she? sorry, i'm terrible with names ;)
[08:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: right :)
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[09:20] <didrocks> RAOF: yeah, you are looking at the colord recent bugs btw? (I saw you have some assigned targeted for the release)
[09:21] <didrocks> http://reports.qa.ubuntu.com/reports/rls-mgr/rls-q-tracking-bug-tasks.html
[09:21] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: btw, you have some on that list assigned to you as well, is it going to work for you? ^
[09:22] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: also, do you think you will have the time to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/1014635? or should I put that on the not fixing list?
[09:22] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1014635 in firefox "Import Wizard has to be cancelled" [Low,Triaged]
[09:27] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, oh, does that one still exist? i have a feeling that was fallout from bug 1013186
[09:27] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1013186 in firefox "Ubuntu customizations aren't being used" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1013186
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> might be worth asking the reporter if it still happens
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: can you please do that and put all the tasks to incomplete?
[09:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'm trying to clean the list, it needed some love apparently :)
[09:28] <chrisccoulson> ok, commented now
[09:30] <didrocks> thanks
[09:30] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: and on the 2 others that are assigned to you? are they on track?
[09:31] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, yeah, i have a patch for one of those already. i need to send it upstream. i'll do that in a bit
[09:31] <didrocks> excellent, thanks chrisccoulson :)
[09:32] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: btw, you didn't notice anything on the "quick filtering is regularly collapsing"?
[09:32] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, no, i didn't notice that. but then, i usually keep it collapsed anyway. i think i said i'd try keeping it open, but i keep collapsing it manually out of habit ;)
[09:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: I'll do a patched version for you to remove the onclick handler once opened :)
[09:34] <chrisccoulson> heh :)
[09:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it seems to me it always happens after a thunderbird update
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that doesn't surprise me
[09:35] <chrisccoulson> i wonder if i could trigger it by setting the build id in my compatibility.ini to something bogus? (so it thinks it's been updated)
[09:37] <didrocks> some kind of rethorical question as you are the best to answer it :-)
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, that didn't work :/
[09:37] <chrisccoulson> ok, i'll have to have a think about it :)
[09:39] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: thanks :)
[09:39] <didrocks> jibel: hey, you still have bug #1042211 I guess (now that you have some drivers which work on your netbook back)
[09:39] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1042211 in mesa "[quantal] [regression] [i915] Corrupted display, desktop and menus don't repaint correctly using Mesa 9.0 (8.0.4 works)" [Critical,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1042211
[09:41] <didrocks> jibel: "As original poster, I confirm the latest updates fixed it on the Asus 1015pe."
[09:42] <didrocks> so compiz gles fixed it in some way if I understand normally?
[09:43] <jibel> didrocks, this one is fixed.
[09:43] <jibel> didrocks, but I had another one with latest mesa which has been reverted
[09:45] <didrocks> jibel: which is not the resume from suspend issue?
[09:45] <jibel> didrocks, no
[09:46] <jibel> didrocks, it was bug 1047306
[09:46] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047306 in mesa "[Quantal] [Intel Atom] Mesa 2012/09/07 updates broke it all" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047306
[09:46] <didrocks> tjaalton: sorry for the bug spam, I'm reworking and cleaning the incoming bug list
[09:47] <didrocks> jibel: ah, you mean what the revert fixed
[09:48] <didrocks> RAOF: I have another colord one for you :)
[10:20] <RAOF> didrocks: Boo!
[10:22] <didrocks> heh :)
[10:24] <RAOF> I've got a plausible hypothesis for a couple of classes of crash; apparently seb could reproduce another one at will, so I guess I'll need to see if I can do it a similar way...
[10:24] <RAOF> (And those plausible hypotheses come complete with patches that would fix it if they were in fact the cause)
[10:25] <didrocks> excellent, thanks RAOF :)
[11:14] <mhr3> didrocks, valadoc in Q only has support for vala 0.14
[11:15] <mhr3> what's that? there's vala 0.18 now?
[11:15] <mhr3> oh yea
[11:44] <ricotz> mhr3, since there are no releases of valadoc a newer snapshot is needed ;)
[11:45] <ricotz> mhr3, you can test out the vala-team ppa package of it
[11:58] <didrocks> mhr3: sorry, but dealing with other part that PS isn't doing right first :/
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[12:05] <didrocks> I'm on my 3G connexion, having network issues
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[12:47] <didrocks> cyphermox: hey, how are you?
[12:48] <cyphermox> didrocks: pretty good, you
[12:48] <didrocks> cyphermox: starting to coughing :/ otherwise good!
[12:49] <didrocks> cyphermox: I think you saw that I assigned to you/touch some bugs
[12:49] <cyphermox> yeah, thanks
[12:49] <didrocks> cyphermox: thanks for assigning bugs? seb's job is cool :)
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: another thing, do you have some time to look at evolution NBS? Seb told me before leaving on holidays you had some insight of it
[12:50] <didrocks> http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/nbs.html
[12:50] <didrocks> ebook/evolution
[12:50] <cyphermox> yeah there's lot of things that need to just go :/
[12:50] <didrocks> cyphermox: do you think you will be able to tackle that this week?
[12:51] <cyphermox> yeah, I already started on tracker
[12:52] <didrocks> cyphermox: excellent! keep me posted please :)
[13:07] <didrocks> jbicha: hey, good morning
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[13:09] <jbicha> didrocks: good morning
[13:12] <pitti> hey jbicha, how are you?
[13:12] <pitti> did anyone ever try running clutter/nux/unity stuff in xvfb or KVM? (for tests)
[13:12] <didrocks1> jbicha: sorry, have been disconnected
[13:12] <didrocks1> just had: 15:07:29      didrocks | jbicha: hey, good morning
[13:12] <didrocks1> pitti: seems the security team did, why?
[13:13] <pitti> didrocks1: I'm pondering how I write UI integration tests for suspend/resume handling (one of my work items)
[13:13] <pitti> so I need to e. g. start totem and see that it blocks auto-suspend, and the like
[13:13] <pitti> but totem doesn't work in xvfb due to clutter
[13:13] <jbicha> didrocks1: you didn't miss anything :)
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[13:14] <didrocks> pitti: should work in a full session using llvmpipe, I did that on my netbook "forcing" it
[13:14] <didrocks> jbicha: how are you?
[13:14] <pitti> didrocks: d'accord, merci
[13:15] <didrocks> pitti: de rien :)
[13:16] <jbicha> didrocks: I'm doing pretty good
[13:16] <didrocks> jbicha: good enough to fancy a small UIFe? bug #1048976 :)
[13:16] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1048976 in ubuntu-wallpapers "[UIFe] Update default ubuntu wallpaper to quantal version" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1048976
[13:17] <jbicha> oh good, I was about to start asking around for that
[13:17] <jbicha> I have to work on docs this weekend
[13:18] <didrocks> jbicha: great! you will even have the right wallpaper then :)
[13:18] <jbicha> it doesn't seem to have a wallpaper attached though
[13:18] <didrocks> no, I didn't attach to it, want it or it's just for your curiousity?
[13:19] <didrocks> (the package is ready to be uploaded)
[13:19] <jbicha> is it purpley-orangey blobs or is it tesselated origami?
[13:19] <didrocks> still purpley-orangey
[13:22] <jbicha> didrocks: ok, +1'd
[13:22] <pitti> chrisccoulson: do you know what this is? /usr/lib/firefox/firefox http://www.mardy.it/oauth2callback?code=<long gibberish>
[13:23] <didrocks> jbicha: thanks, uploading :)
[13:23] <pitti> chrisccoulson: I don't know what mardy.it is, and this process is sitting there for 4 hours already
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: did you restart the signon deamons since you upgrade?
[13:23] <pitti> oh, oauth -- that might be from empathy, and the ever-annoying "wah wah want to reauth to google"?
[13:23] <chrisccoulson> pitti - i've no idea what that is
[13:23] <didrocks> pitti: mardy is an IRC nickname :)
[13:23] <jbicha> pitti: bug 1047588
[13:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047588 in online-accounts-account-plugins "Account authentication spawning oauth2callback to mardy.it" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047588
[13:23] <didrocks> yeah, that's it :)
[13:23] <pitti> hah
[13:23] <pitti> merci beaucoup
[13:24] <didrocks> mais toujours de rien ;)
[13:24] <didrocks> I told him to be a little more silent when he introduces backdoors to ubuntu :p
[13:26] <chrisccoulson> oh, i've not set up any online accounts. perhaps that's why i haven't seen it ;)
[13:26] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: you hate the web, right? :)
[13:27] <pitti> chrisccoulson: no jabber? no gtalk? wow
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, i like the web ;)
[13:28]  * pitti watches chrisccoulson attach some letters to one of his pidgins
[13:28] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: was just j/k ;)
[13:28] <pitti> meh, dear X.org, please do start in KVM
[13:28] <chrisccoulson> pitti, no, i only use IRC. and i've not opened empathy for months ;)
[13:28] <didrocks> kenvandine: hey! good morning
[13:29] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: TBH, I'm a little bit in the same case
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> i do occasionally chat to friends on facebook, but i just use their web UI for that
[13:29] <didrocks> even not facebook ;)
[13:29] <chrisccoulson> heh
[13:29] <kenvandine> didrocks, good morning
[13:29] <pitti> hey kenvandine
[13:29] <didrocks> kenvandine: how are you?
[13:29] <kenvandine> good
[13:29] <kenvandine> and you?
[13:29] <didrocks> start coughing apparently :/
[13:29] <kenvandine> hehe
[13:30] <didrocks> let's see how it goes, lot of coffees maybe in the next days :)
[13:30] <didrocks> kenvandine: ~ubuntu-art-pkg isn't accessible for my powerless bzr rights
[13:30] <didrocks> kenvandine: can you please push lp:~didrocks/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu to lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/ubuntu-wallpapers/ubuntu?
[13:30] <kenvandine> sure
[13:31] <didrocks> (and maybe we should fix that later on to have real rights on it)
[13:31] <chrisccoulson> chatting on facebook (and other sites) will be nicer in firefox with the social API stuff they're working on
[13:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: also, when you get a chance, please paste the bug # for the lens in the FFe section of the team report :)
[13:31] <Laney> hm, launchpad says that I am in that team
[13:31] <kenvandine> didrocks, yup :)
[13:31] <Laney> Iain Lane → Ubuntu Core Development Team → Ubuntu Artwork Packagers
[13:31] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks!
[13:31] <didrocks> Laney: hum, I just tried to push
[13:32] <didrocks> and got some readonly error
[13:32] <Laney> weird
[13:32] <didrocks> I didn't insist, I got some transiant ones yesterday
[13:32] <didrocks> so maybe they are updating something, we had issues with bzrlib for the unity merger
[13:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: what's this social API stuff?
[13:34] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: it doesn't seem to be in the html5 discussions I followed on
[13:34] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, https://wiki.mozilla.org/Labs/SocialAPI
[13:35] <kenvandine> didrocks, pushed
[13:36] <didrocks> kenvandine: thanks again (I'm sure you looked at the new wallpaper! :p)
[13:36] <kenvandine> not yet :)
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[13:48] <pitti> kenvandine: do you know whether there's a way to run an indicator in a kind of test sandbox, i. e. without starting the whole unity?
[13:49] <larsu> pitti, /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader3 /path/to/libindicator.so
[13:50] <larsu> indicator-loader is in libindicator3-tools
[13:50] <pitti> c'est parfait, merci!
[13:50] <kenvandine> what larsu said
[13:50] <kenvandine> :)
[13:50] <kenvandine> pitti, but note that is the rendering side... there is also a service to go with it
[13:50] <kenvandine> but that doesn't need to be run in a special way
[13:51] <pitti> yeah, that's just d-bus activated, isn't it?
[13:51] <kenvandine> yes
[13:51] <kenvandine> but if you are testing in a local build
[13:51] <kenvandine> you might want to run it by hand
[13:51] <kenvandine> which is tricky....
[13:52] <larsu> pitti, set INDICATOR_SERVICE_REPLACE_MODE=1
[13:52] <pitti> why? I thought you could just start the service manually from the build tree, and then run the loader
[13:52] <pitti> but anyway, I want to write an UI system integration test, so dbus activation is fine
[13:52] <kenvandine> it respawns
[13:52] <pitti> larsu: nice trick anyway, thanks
[13:52] <kenvandine> yeah
[13:52] <kenvandine> just something that bites a lot of people
[13:52] <pitti> I just want to get enough of a session running in autopkgtest so that I can exercise some indicator actions
[13:52] <kenvandine> if the system one is fine, then easy :)
[13:52]  * larsu would be much happier if indicators simply used d-bus activation
[13:53] <kenvandine> larsu, me too
[13:54] <pitti> larsu: n'est ce pas /usr/share/dbus-1/services/indicator-session.service?
[13:54] <pitti> I thought they were (the services, not the UI)
[13:55] <larsu> pitti, yeah, but the panel plugins have some additional logic to restart the services
[13:55] <pitti> nice! x.org and indicator-session in my minimal vm
[13:56] <larsu> :)
[13:56] <pitti> I guess as I just want to inject some d-bus commands, I don't even need the UI bits, but it's easier for initial tinkering
[14:07] <Laney> dobey: Can I bring your attention to bug #1047800 please? :-)
[14:07] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1047800 in ubuntuone-client-gnome "nautilus crashed with SIGSEGV in _IO_vfprintf_internal()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1047800
[14:07]  * Laney got this just by navigating to a newly-shared U1 directory in nautilus
[14:08] <dobey> Laney: hrmm
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[14:09] <Laney> actually, I had just ticked "share locally" or whatever it is to one that I had uploaded from another machine and U1 was in the middle of bringing it down to me
[14:10] <dobey> ugh. that is weird
[14:10] <dobey> and why is that stack trace incomplete? are there no dbus dbgsyms available to apport retracer?
[14:12] <Laney> try https://launchpadlibrarian.net/92020668/Stacktrace.txt
[14:12] <dobey> hmm, one of the older dupes has better trace it seems
[14:12] <dobey> heh, that's exactly the one i'm already looking at :)
[14:12] <Laney> :-)
[14:12] <mterry> tedg, poke about remote-login-by-default
[14:12]  * Laney is out for a bit
[14:13] <didrocks> hey mterry
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, hello!
[14:14] <dobey> huh. this is a very weird trace
[14:14] <didrocks> how are you?
[14:14] <mterry> didrocks, good!
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: if you have features needed FFe that are not handled on PS side, please add them to the team report :)
[14:15] <mterry> didrocks, I don't think so...
[14:15] <didrocks> mterry: great, you are out of trouble then! IIRC, you worked on something similar to bug #1045662 recently?
[14:15] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1045662 in gnome-settings-daemon "[power]: gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode()" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1045662
[14:16] <mterry> didrocks, yup!
[14:16] <mterry> let me see
[14:17] <mterry> bug 971353
[14:17] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 971353 in gnome-settings-daemon "power : gnome-settings-daemon crashed with SIGSEGV in gnome_rr_screen_get_dpms_mode " [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/971353
[14:17] <didrocks> so, a real dup?
[14:17] <didrocks> let me gladely dup it :)
[14:17] <mterry> :)  yeah, they reported with unfixed version, so dup it
[14:17] <didrocks> thanks mterry :)
[14:27] <tedg> mterry, Is there mail?  Let me check.
[14:27] <mterry> tedg, there is scrollback when mdeslaur and jdstrand talked about it last night
[14:28] <tedg> mterry, Hmm, I don't have all of that scrollback.  Looking for logs.  Just a sec.
[14:28] <jdstrand> mterry, tedg: so we decided enable it for now. we will be poking at it more and may have more questions
[14:30] <jdstrand> mterry, tedg: unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the overall picture and how it worked on the default system at the time of my review. now that more of the bits are landing and we can see your intent, we'll have a better idea
[14:30] <desrt> so.... i install gdm and change my default display manager
[14:30] <desrt> then i uninstall gdm
[14:30] <jdstrand> that said, it seems like an odd default option to enable
[14:30] <desrt> how do i convince lightdm to take over again?
[14:30] <tedg> jdstrand, Okay, I have a juju charm that can build a rdp server for you.
[14:30] <jdstrand> tedg: that would be excellent
[14:31] <mterry> tedg, so if we enable this, every user will see a "Remote Login" option on the bottom of the list?
[14:31] <tedg> jdstrand, http://gould.cx/ted/blog/Desktop_in_the_cloud
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, Yes
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, If they have networking.
[14:31] <mterry> tedg, and design wants that?
[14:31] <tedg> mterry, (after that branch lands)
[14:32] <didrocks> desrt: sudo dpkg-reconfigure lightdm
[14:32] <tedg> mterry, I guess I don't know design's opinion on it, but I do know that is what I was told how it would work.
[14:32] <didrocks> then you have a lovely debconf prompt :)
[14:32] <desrt> didrocks: huh.  i thought i had tried that
[14:32] <desrt> thanks in any case :)
[14:32] <didrocks> yw ;)
[14:34] <mterry> tedg, asking in #ubuntu-release about it.  I also realized the gsettings key to enable/disable is counter to how the rest of the greeter is customized.  It should be toggled in lightdm.conf, so I'll look at making that change today
[14:34] <jdstrand> tedg: so, there is rdp, uccs and citrix? will poking at rdp be representative of the other two?
[14:35] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: did you get a receipt from my weekly report meeting email?
[14:35] <tedg> mterry, Ah, okay.
[14:35] <mterry> jdstrand, can you comment in bug 1040221 that it's OK to try turning it on by default?
[14:35] <mdeslaur> jdstrand: the way I understand it is it communicates with uccs to get your list of rdp and citrix servers
[14:35] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040221 in unity-greeter "FFe request: Provide remote login options" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040221
[14:35] <tedg> jdstrand, Yeah, the citrix stuff we can't really put in the repo because it needs their proprietary client :-(
[14:36] <tedg> jdstrand, You can grab the code and try it, but it'll probably only end up in partner or extras or something.
[14:37] <didrocks> davidcalle: mterry: I saw the photo lens has been added without any tests, is that something on purpose?
[14:38] <davidcalle> didrocks, would manual tests work for you?
[14:38] <jdstrand> mdeslaur: re uccs: yes, that is what I saw in the code review too. however, I thought it might be possible to setup an rdp/citrix server to connect to independently of uccs (the landscape bit)
[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: check with the unity team about those
[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: as they are the one who will run them
[14:38] <jdstrand> tedg: can you comment? ^
[14:38] <mdeslaur> tedg: ^
[14:38] <tedg> jdstrand, mdeslaur, if you want to see what the list of servers part is the easiest way to test that is "echo -n ubuntussopass | thin-client-config-agent me@ubuntu.sso"
[14:38] <didrocks> davidcalle: but I think it's fine for lenses, even if automated tests will be appreciated
[14:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: please, stop landing stuff without tests into distro, we don't do that anymore
[14:39] <didrocks> davidcalle: also, can you make the video lens on the same level regarding testing?
[14:39] <davidcalle> didrocks, ok
[14:39] <didrocks> thanks :)
[14:40] <tedg> jdstrand, There are ways to do that, but they're there mostly for testing today.  But, all that changes is where the list of servers comes from now how it works with the accounts, etc.
[14:40] <mterry> didrocks, sorry, my fault.
[14:40] <didrocks> mterry: no worry, but I want to be fair with other PS people and that we don't start again to go into the wrong direction
[14:41] <jdstrand> tedg: ok, thanks
[14:41] <mterry> didrocks, yup
[14:41] <davidcalle> mterry, mine actually. Will do my best to land them asap.
[15:38] <mterry> didrocks, no meeting looks like?
[15:39] <didrocks> mterry: sorry, was in a pm, let me try to play this game of listing people :)
[15:41] <didrocks> bryceh: chrisccoulson, cyphermox, kenvandine, mterry, robru, Laney, tkamppeter: anything particular to discuss for this week?
[15:41] <didrocks> please remember updating your blueprints status :)
[15:42] <kenvandine> nope
[15:42] <robru> didrocks, nothing major to mention, I'm still plugging away at gwibber.
[15:42]  * kenvandine hugs robru
[15:42] <robru> BFFs!
[15:42] <kenvandine> :-D
[15:42] <didrocks> robru: plug plug ;)
[15:43] <didrocks> ok no meeting it seems then, I assigned some bugs to some lucky of you, please watch for them out :)
[15:44] <mterry> yay
[15:44] <didrocks> thanks!
[15:44] <robru> thanks didrocks
[15:45] <davmor2> kenvandine: good news this latest update didn't bork my sip password,  bad neww the 2 google accounts I have both need a fresh authenticate app when I start up the system :(
[15:45] <kenvandine> davmor2, yeah... i've been complaining to mardy about that :)
[15:46] <kenvandine> davmor2, can you file a bug for that?
[15:46] <kenvandine> against account-plugins?
[15:49] <davmor2> kenvandine: will do
[15:51] <kenvandine> davmor2, thanks
[15:51] <chrisccoulson> hey didrocks, sorry, just got back from exercise :)
[15:52] <didrocks> chrisccoulson: no worry, nothing special to discuss?
[15:52] <chrisccoulson> didrocks, not really. i'm basically working on bug fixing now
[15:52] <didrocks> bug fixing is good, did you hide the chat button? :)
[16:02] <doko> didrocks, do you know what the replacement of libgsf-gnome-1-dev is?
[16:02] <doko> was dropped in quantal
[16:06] <didrocks> doko: seems they are declared obsolete in debian/ubuntu:
[16:06] <doko> yes
[16:06] <didrocks> you see some rdepends?
[16:06]  * didrocks checks
[16:07] <didrocks> ah, I know the upstream for planner
[16:07] <didrocks> let me check
[16:08] <didrocks> doko: from what I see both libg3d and planner are build-depending on libgsf-gnome-1-dev, but it seems they don't link to it
[16:08] <didrocks> let me perform some build test
[16:09] <didrocks> libg3d:
[16:09] <doko> didrocks, libg3d not needed
[16:09] <didrocks>  libgsf-1-dev | libgsf-gnome-1-dev,
[16:09] <doko> and doing planner now
[16:09] <didrocks> doko: I'm already on it, building
[16:09] <doko> which seems to work. uploaded
[16:09] <didrocks> this fast? did you make any test?
[16:10] <doko> package did build
[16:10] <didrocks> well, doesn't mean it's working :)
[16:12] <didrocks> but ok, next time I'll let you investigate if you really want to upload it at any cost :p
[16:19] <jbicha> didrocks: did you want to add ubuntu-default-settings to the ubuntu-desktop seed & metapackage?
[16:21] <Laney> has anyone from the release team considered that?
[16:22] <didrocks> jbicha: I thought you wanted to deal with the FFe first, no?
[16:22] <jbicha> Laney: not really, I mentioned it in an email to the release team last week but I wasn't sure if it need a FFe or not
[16:23] <jbicha> it's bug 1039792
[16:23] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1039792 in ubuntu-meta "[needs-packaging] [MIR] ubuntu-default-settings" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1039792
[16:24] <didrocks> the MIR has been acked, I guess thats fine as it doesn't change anything structurally, wdyt Laney?
[16:26] <Laney> is it planned to drop the overrides from the individual packages this cycle?
[16:26] <didrocks> Laney: I suggested beginning of next cycle or with GNOME updates as they come
[16:26] <didrocks> I have no strong opinion either way, seems low risk to me
[16:27] <jbicha> Laney: yes I was hoping to, as otherwise ubuntu-gnome-default-settings would need to override the override back to default
[16:27] <Laney> jbicha: right, how many packages are affected then?
[16:27] <jbicha> I mean it's not essential as we know how to work around it, but it is nicer
[16:29] <LLStarks> jbicha, does your tbird have a window bar?
[16:29] <jbicha> potentially nearly everything in /usr/share/glib-2.0/schemas/10_*
[16:30] <jbicha> LLStarks: this is where I admit that this week I'm running Ubuntu GNOME which doesn't have thunderbird pre-installed...
[16:30] <LLStarks> ha
[16:30] <Laney> well, if you think you can do it
[16:30] <jbicha> I'm going to have to install Unity this week though for docs
[16:30] <LLStarks> i'm running gnome-shell and there's no window bar for tbird
[16:30] <didrocks> Laney: even if we can't do everything in a run, there is no file overwrite, just two overrides of the same value
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[16:31] <didrocks> and desrt will be happy, what price this can have? :)
[16:31] <LLStarks> i feel so empty
[16:31] <Laney> yeah. I think that if we're going to do it then we might as well get it all done
[16:31] <Laney> jbicha: go for it
[16:32] <Laney> beta freeze (next thurs) is probably a reasonable deadline to be fiddling with changes like dropping schemas
[16:33] <didrocks> ok, updating the seed then, and moving the package to main as the MIR is accepted
[16:33] <didrocks> Laney: jbicha ^
[16:33] <Laney> cool
[16:33] <jbicha> thanks
[16:37] <desrt> didrocks: i was right -- i had tried that before
[16:37] <desrt> didrocks: still not working :/
[16:38] <desrt> jbicha: so gnome-shell lockscreen is.... unhappy
[16:38] <jbicha> desrt: ?
[16:38] <desrt> we just got an upgrade that prints a "could not connect to gdm" message and doesn't lock
[16:38] <didrocks> desrt: hum? so you have lightdm chosen by default, and it's not the own starting? interested
[16:38] <didrocks> interesting*
[16:39] <Laney> http://paste.debian.net/189201/ is this a sane patch (to gconf)?
[16:39] <desrt> didrocks: i had this issue before.... i ended up reinstalling to fix it :p
[16:39] <jbicha> desrt: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=683060
[16:39] <ubot2> Gnome bug 683060 in lock-screen "Impossible to unlock screen if not using GDM" [Major,Unconfirmed]
[16:40] <didrocks> desrt: try asking robert when he's around
[16:40] <didrocks> I thought it was just this alternative being enough
[16:40] <jbicha> I just grabbed the first patch from there; I don't think the patch from today is quite what we want either
[16:40] <desrt> jbicha: i wonder if we can just package the gdm service that provides the auth stuff
[16:41] <jbicha> I think robert said doing something like that was awfully complex
[16:41] <desrt> it needn't be part of lightdm...
[16:42] <jbicha> well I think the gnome-shell guys want their new lock screen to be used by everyone so they probably would be happy if someone got that working
[16:42] <desrt> this does seem like the correct way forward.
[16:43] <desrt> seems like we could autostart org.gnome.DisplayManager
[16:45] <micahg> desrt: are you a GTK person or just GLIB upstream?
[16:45] <desrt> glib mostly
[16:45] <desrt> but i do the odd gtk patch from time to time in specific areas
[16:45] <desrt> (mostly application support stuff)
[16:45] <micahg> desrt: https://launchpadlibrarian.net/111315068/gtk%2B3.0_3.4.2-0ubuntu0.5~ppa~tj.debdiff
[16:45] <desrt> larsu: ^ ?
[16:46]  * desrt really knows absolutely nothing about printing
[16:46] <micahg> if it's accepted upstream, I'll sponsor it into Ubuntu
[16:48] <larsu> micahg, do you know when the "Custom." prefix is already there? I think this should never happen...
[16:48] <larsu> oh, there's a bug number in the changelog
[16:49] <micahg> yeah, with links all over the place
[16:58] <larsu> micahg, it certainly fixes the problem, but it's not the right solution. I wouldn't recommend upstreaming it like this
[16:59] <micahg> larsu: ok, thanks, could you comment in the bug with any tips on how to proceed?
[17:00] <larsu> micahg, I don't have any tips yet, but I'll fix it this week, shouldn't be too hard
[17:00] <micahg> larsu: ok, can I give you the bug then?
[17:00] <larsu> sure
[17:01] <micahg> oh, there's no assignee, so I'll leave it as is
[17:03] <didrocks> jbicha: I'll push to ubuntu-meta the ubuntu-default-settings a little bit later, needs to wait for it to be published in main (the override needs a publisher run)
[17:04] <didrocks> I'll disconnect for dinner, have a good evening everyone :)
[17:47] <mterry> tedg, can you roll a new remote-login-service?
[18:09] <tedg> mterry, For the g_error() patch?
[18:09] <tedg> mterry, I'm working on network detection right now, I was going to finish that before releasing.
[18:10] <mterry> tedg, no worries
[18:10] <mterry> tedg, I'll just distro-patch the g_error one
[18:11] <mterry> tedg, I just wanted that fix in place before I enabled it by default
[18:12] <micahg> mterry: someone showed me Bug #1033887 last night, looks easy enough to fix I think
[18:12] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1033887 in deja-dup "backup fails with error" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1033887
[18:13] <mterry> micahg, thanks, marked it as a dup of another report that I was looking at yesterday
[18:13] <micahg> cool
[18:13] <mterry> micahg, it's been a problem for a while, but I've been waiting until bug hunting season (post FF) to get to it
[18:13] <mterry> Seems about time
[18:40] <mterry> jbicha, are you able to approve my ubuntu-doc mailling list posts?  I'd appreciate it if so
[18:44] <jbicha> mterry: no, I'm not an admin; I think mdke is; or you could just subscribe & re-send
[19:00] <micahg> mterry: I'm guessing there shouldn't be a problem with me sponsoring adding Enhances to the xchat-indicator binaries?
[19:01] <mterry> micahg, I don't remember the context for this conversation
[19:01] <micahg> mterry: no context, asking a question :)
[19:02] <micahg> Bug #1049194 FWIW
[19:02] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1049194 in xchat-indicator "Add the xchat-indicator package as an "Enhances:" for xchat" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1049194
[19:02] <mterry> micahg, Enhances: xchat ?
[19:02] <micahg> yeah, and Enhances: xchat-indicator
[19:02] <micahg> just wanted to check if there was a reason not to
[19:02] <mterry> micahg, xchat doesn't Enhance xchat-indicator, does it?  Seems like a weird relationship
[19:03] <micahg> reporter originally wanted recommends on the indicators and I said no
[19:03] <micahg> mterry: the other way, the indicator enhances xchat{,-gnome}
[19:03] <mterry> I think Enhances and Suggests make sense
[19:04] <mterry> Enhance: xchat, Suggests: xchat-indicator
[19:04] <mterry> My vote anyway
[19:04] <micahg> ok, sponsoring (and I'm using the bzr branch as well)
[19:04] <micahg> well, I'm only doing the enhances side since it's 1 upload :)
[19:06] <mterry> micahg, awesome
[19:15] <Laney> desrt: would you know if http://paste.debian.net/189201/ is sane?
[19:20] <desrt> Laney: i can't imagine it would hurt anything, but i'm a little bit suspicious of this issue showing up now...
[19:21] <Laney> I don't know why either, but banshee/tomboy became a victim of this crash in Quantal
[19:24]  * kenvandine curses tedg
[19:24] <kenvandine> i just tried to check out indicate-datetime
[19:24] <kenvandine> grrr!
[19:25] <kenvandine> it's been 3.5 years... and i still screw up indicate and indicator :-D
[19:25] <tedg> kenvandine, I'm here to help your grammar.  Just because you can't learn it  ;-)
[19:25] <kenvandine> hehe
[19:25] <kenvandine> i think this is a sign that i haven't messed with the indicators enough this cycle
[19:26] <kenvandine> i actually didn't have it checked out anywhere
[19:27] <tedg> Heh, see, now that's you're problem.
[19:27] <tedg> your
[19:28] <kenvandine> and you're here to help my grammar
[19:28] <tedg> Think of it this way kenvandine, by helping you, I'm helping you set a good example for your children.  By them having a good example, they'll do better in school and lead more successful lives.  Don't do it for me, do it for the children.
[19:29] <kenvandine> :-p
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[20:42] <doko> cursing the unity-staging team building every commit on powerpc :-(
[20:43] <Laney> doko: #ubuntu-unity is probably a better channel for flames :P
[20:43] <micahg> doko: that was supposed to stop
[20:50] <chrisccoulson> urgh, is this unity webapps stuff relying on multiple profile support in firefox?
[20:52] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, i really don't know
[20:52] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it is. it's entirely dependant on a feature that is deprecated and being removed
[20:53] <dobey> awesome
[20:53] <micahg> Firefox is getting rid of multiple profiles?
[20:54] <chrisccoulson> yes, it's been the plan to remove this feature for ages, it just hasn't happened yet
[20:54] <micahg> I thought they wanted to remove the manager, not the feature, ugh :(
[20:55] <dobey> people use that feature for actual things?
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, maybe it is then. but the whole feature sucks
[20:55] <chrisccoulson> multiple profiles is completely and utterly broken unless you start using -no-remote everywhere, and then it's still broken, but just in different ways
[20:55] <dobey> it made a little bit of sense in netscape on windows 95
[20:56] <chrisccoulson> i can't believe the entire thing is dependant on this
[20:56] <kenvandine> is that for chromeless?
[20:56] <dobey> kenvandine: and not screwing with the user's actual profile, i guess?
[21:00] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, it looks like it. it's a shame that they're not using the upstream chromeless runtime, which doesn't depend on any of these hacks
[21:00] <kenvandine> :/
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> and they symlink the cookies.sqlite file between profiles :/
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> that's pointless, considering firefox locks that so that only one instance can access it
[21:09] <chrisccoulson> the more i look at this, the more i want to cry
[21:15] <cyphermox> Laney: still around?
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg, there's the removal patch: https://bug214675.bugzilla.mozilla.org/attachment.cgi?id=416998
[21:24] <chrisccoulson> it removes the UI and multiple profile support
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> so, the whole lot
[21:25] <chrisccoulson> oh dear
[21:28] <Laney> cyphermox: yo
[21:28] <cyphermox> Laney: would you agree that evolution-rss 0.3.92 is bugfix, fixing up building against EDS 3.5 (I want to finish clearing the NBS list) --> http://git.gnome.org/browse/evolution-rss/log/
[21:28] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: why aren't you including Firefox 16 Beta in Quantal?
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, the release date is cutting it a bit fine
[21:29] <Laney> cyphermox: yeah, looks alright
[21:29] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-next ;)
[21:30] <cyphermox> Laney: ok, thanks
[21:30] <jbicha> chrisccoulson: so you're going for a 0-day SRU instead?
[21:31] <Laney> yay for EDS transitions
[21:31] <chrisccoulson> jbicha, yep :)
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[23:04] <RAOF> Huh. Has indicator-messages deliberately dropped support for all apps which aren't empathy or gwibber?
[23:08] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, thunderbird and xchat-gnome work too ;)
[23:08] <RAOF> But not evolution or smuxi. Ok, what's going on here.
[23:10] <chrisccoulson> RAOF, bug 1040259
[23:10] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 1040259 in unity-mail "FFE: libmessaging-menu transitions for quantal" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1040259